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Hunt wrote: So Trump may be toast with marmalade on top.
This is 2020. There's going to be enough events between now and then that will make both Biden and Trump toast that I'm not prepared to call anything at this point. Wouldn't even be surprised if FT decides to add an edit button.

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Keating wrote:
Hunt wrote: So Trump may be toast with marmalade on top.
This is 2020. There's going to be enough events between now and then that will make both Biden and Trump toast that I'm not prepared to call anything at this point. Wouldn't even be surprised if FT decides to add an edit button.
The result is almost irrelevant. It’s clown car all the way down. 🤡 🚙

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Keating wrote: Wouldn't even be surprised if FT decides to add an edit button.
There has always been an edit button........in Eastasia.

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2016 liberal salt is lying in wait.


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Making an apocalypse out of a pandemic

To varying degrees, political elites, screamed on by the media, have responded to the threat posed by this virus as if it is world-ending. As if it demands the complete reorganisation of social and economic life around the supreme principle of safety. As if there is no way back. They treat it not as a nasty virus that poses a significant but manageable health risk to certain sections of the populace. No, they treat it as a god-like judgement on the old structures of social life, now deemed, in the jargon of the day, unsafe and unsustainable.
This is what is unprecedented. Not the novel virus itself. But the panicked, fear-laden and, in some quarters, gleefully apocalyptic response.

[O]urs is not a confident moment. Born of the long-term moral depletion of liberal capitalism, the exhaustion of political ideology and the subsequent breakdown of social solidarities, it is moment characterised by a profound sense of powerlessness and disenchantment about our way of life. That so much of that way of life has been sacrificed over the past few months is a testament less to the virulence of Covid-19, than to the weakness of even our ruling elites’ support for it.

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Brive1987 wrote: 2016 liberal salt is lying in wait.

Why is she driving on the wrong side of the car?

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:34 pm
Countdown to talk about President Harris packing the SC in three, two, one ....
Even the candidates have trouble hiding the deception. Harris referred to "a Harris administration" and Biden called the ticket "Harris/Biden". The Democrats would love to pack the SC, but first they need to stuff the ballot boxes. The stink they are trying to make about Trump stealing the election tells me that they are almost certainly going to abuse the postal vote system. They've been preparing the ground for months now. Sometimes I think that their hysterical unfounded accusations of abuse of the system are sincere because it's exactly what they would do and have done. The Lori Lerner affair was not an aberration and they almost always get away with it.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: 2016 liberal salt is lying in wait.

Why is she driving on the wrong side of the car?
In liberal America they drive on the left. If you got out more you would know this.

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ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:34 pm
Countdown to talk about President Harris packing the SC in three, two, one ....
Even the candidates have trouble hiding the deception. Harris referred to "a Harris administration" and Biden called the ticket "Harris/Biden". The Democrats would love to pack the SC, but first they need to stuff the ballot boxes. The stink they are trying to make about Trump stealing the election tells me that they are almost certainly going to abuse the postal vote system. They've been preparing the ground for months now. Sometimes I think that their hysterical unfounded accusations of abuse of the system are sincere because it's exactly what they would do and have done. The Lori Lerner affair was not an aberration and they almost always get away with it.
1) Block routine purging of voter rolls, because: racism;

2) Whip up irrational fear of the plague to rationalize all voting by mail;

3) Push for ballots to be sent to every street address;

4) Fabricate fiction about Trump shutting down the Postal Service;

5) Push for ballot-harvesting, no signature checking, counting of 'naked' ballots;

6) Insist that unpostmarked ballots received after election day be counted;

7) Juke the polls to show huge Biden lead;

8) Warn of "Red Mirage": apparent Trump EC landslide on election night, to be slowly whittled away as mail-in ballots counted;

9) Warn that Trump will refuse to leave office no matter what;

10) Threaten riots, secession, military coup if Biden not installed in WH.

Sounds legit to me.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:47 am
ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:34 pm
Countdown to talk about President Harris packing the SC in three, two, one ....
Even the candidates have trouble hiding the deception. Harris referred to "a Harris administration" and Biden called the ticket "Harris/Biden". The Democrats would love to pack the SC, but first they need to stuff the ballot boxes. The stink they are trying to make about Trump stealing the election tells me that they are almost certainly going to abuse the postal vote system. They've been preparing the ground for months now. Sometimes I think that their hysterical unfounded accusations of abuse of the system are sincere because it's exactly what they would do and have done. The Lori Lerner affair was not an aberration and they almost always get away with it.
1) Block routine purging of voter rolls, because: racism;

2) Whip up irrational fear of the plague to rationalize all voting by mail;

3) Push for ballots to be sent to every street address;

4) Fabricate fiction about Trump shutting down the Postal Service;

5) Push for ballot-harvesting, no signature checking, counting of 'naked' ballots;

6) Insist that unpostmarked ballots received after election day be counted;

7) Juke the polls to show huge Biden lead;

8) Warn of "Red Mirage": apparent Trump EC landslide on election night, to be slowly whittled away as mail-in ballots counted;

9) Warn that Trump will refuse to leave office no matter what;

10) Threaten riots, secession, military coup if Biden not installed in WH.

Sounds legit to me.
Happening in plain sight, but then even the "rational" Democrat public like Coyne don't believe that there is any evidence that mass postal voting will lead to fraud. What looks obvious to anyone who consumes media from all factions is not so obvious to those who trust the big mass media companies and tech giants.

On an unrelated note, you might be interested, or horrified, at an incident that happened outside Port Elizabeth a few days ago. About 200 disgruntled stable hands assaulted a bunch of racehorses over a labour dispute. https://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/fa ... september/. What actually happened is disputed with allegations of a cover up, nevertheless the incident is indicative of the lawlessness of South African society. Mob action, often brutal, is resorted to without waiting for legal processes. It is partly the fault of the rampant corruption in policing which ignores mob violence and looting when it suits. Whatever the merits of the grievances the brutality indulged in can be disturbing and doesn't bode well.

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Keating wrote:
Hunt wrote: So Trump may be toast with marmalade on top.
This is 2020. There's going to be enough events between now and then that will make both Biden and Trump toast that I'm not prepared to call anything at this point. Wouldn't even be surprised if FT decides to add an edit button.
That really would be a sign of the end times.

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MarcusAu wrote: Speaking of which - this one goes out to all the Objectivists and Libitarians in the audience:

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If I were a progressive feminist type-- seeking to leverage the death of RGB for political gain--

First I'd consider Trump-- are there any concessions we can squeeze out of him? Anything on our wish list he might give, to pander for our votes?
Nothing immediately springs to mind. But Trump does seem willing to go-against conventional-republican-positions, for votes. So maybe-- he'll play sugar-daddy, given the right creative win-win sales pitch. Like when Kim Kardashian got the First Steps Act out of him. This would require lefty-progs to take a break from 24/7 vilifying Trump, to woo him a little. Which ain't gonna happen.

So, then: lean on Biden. I think Biden is waaay more ripe for picking. RBG's death is an opportunity for the Left to tell Biden that the URGENCY of all their pet issues just hit critical mass. Tell Biden he needs to stop dicking-around with empty-platitudes for the progressive lefty contingent, while making concrete backroom promises to his fatcat global-business & war-machine cronies...

Tell Biden: either he dances to the progressives' tune-- or he & his 'moderates' will be left waiting at the altar, on election day.

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Service Dog wrote: If I were a progressive feminist type-- seeking to leverage the death of RGB for political gain--
Guessing you'll be voting for CMYK.

In the meantime, be glad your life is not subject to such intrusion as this:
Hammersmith and Fulham council, which represents one of the country's richest areas in London, told its staff in guidance that "any part of a private dwelling used solely for work purposes will be required to be smoke-free".
That's for people working at home, who are not allowed to smoke while they work for some Stalinist council at home. FFS! They want to own and control each and every part of their workers' lives. Almost enough to get me to restart. Actually, if Dunhill would make their delicious pipe tobaccos again, I'd buy a few kilos of Nightcap and enjoy myself while able. Mmmm, Nightcap! Here's my last, and long empty, tin with two home carved pipes from the distant past....
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Service Dog wrote: If I were a progressive feminist type-- seeking to leverage the death of RGB for political gain--

First I'd consider Trump-- are there any concessions we can squeeze out of him? Anything on our wish list he might give, to pander for our votes?
Nothing immediately springs to mind. But Trump does seem willing to go-against conventional-republican-positions, for votes. So maybe-- he'll play sugar-daddy, given the right creative win-win sales pitch. Like when Kim Kardashian got the First Steps Act out of him. This would require lefty-progs to take a break from 24/7 vilifying Trump, to woo him a little. Which ain't gonna happen.

So, then: lean on Biden. I think Biden is waaay more ripe for picking. RBG's death is an opportunity for the Left to tell Biden that the URGENCY of all their pet issues just hit critical mass. Tell Biden he needs to stop dicking-around with empty-platitudes for the progressive lefty contingent, while making concrete backroom promises to his fatcat global-business & war-machine cronies...

Tell Biden: either he dances to the progressives' tune-- or he & his 'moderates' will be left waiting at the altar, on election day.
So it was ok that the Republicans through McConnell stopped Obama from replacing Scalia 11 months before the election, but its dubious politics to say that maybe replacing RBG should wait until after the election in a month or so?

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The fact that they are political appointees, and can be labelled R or D at all is head scratching shit fuckery. The judiciary should be apolitical.
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Service Dog wrote: If I were a progressive feminist type-- seeking to leverage the death of RGB for political gain--
Guessing you'll be voting for CMYK.

In the meantime, be glad your life is not subject to such intrusion as this:
Hammersmith and Fulham council, which represents one of the country's richest areas in London, told its staff in guidance that "any part of a private dwelling used solely for work purposes will be required to be smoke-free".
That's for people working at home, who are not allowed to smoke while they work for some Stalinist council at home. FFS! They want to own and control each and every part of their workers' lives. Almost enough to get me to restart. Actually, if Dunhill would make their delicious pipe tobaccos again, I'd buy a few kilos of Nightcap and enjoy myself while able. Mmmm, Nightcap! Here's my last, and long empty, tin with two home carved pipes from the distant past....

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This is the only smoke that triggers the alarm in my place of work (home).

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Because I'm dumb, I put my toaster immediately under the smoke alarm. Given my kitchen layout, it's the best spot for the toaster, but I can only have two pieces of toast before the alarm goes off.

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screwtape wrote: Guessing you'll be voting for CMYK.
Naw, I've stopped voting.

If Biden wins, I'll be relieved that all the messes are 'their' problem now. If Trump wins, I'll be relieved that the more-corrupt side was thwarted.

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KiwiInOz wrote:
Service Dog wrote: If I were a progressive feminist type-- seeking to leverage the death of RGB for political gain--

First I'd consider Trump-- are there any concessions we can squeeze out of him? Anything on our wish list he might give, to pander for our votes?
Nothing immediately springs to mind. But Trump does seem willing to go-against conventional-republican-positions, for votes. So maybe-- he'll play sugar-daddy, given the right creative win-win sales pitch. Like when Kim Kardashian got the First Steps Act out of him. This would require lefty-progs to take a break from 24/7 vilifying Trump, to woo him a little. Which ain't gonna happen.

So, then: lean on Biden. I think Biden is waaay more ripe for picking. RBG's death is an opportunity for the Left to tell Biden that the URGENCY of all their pet issues just hit critical mass. Tell Biden he needs to stop dicking-around with empty-platitudes for the progressive lefty contingent, while making concrete backroom promises to his fatcat global-business & war-machine cronies...

Tell Biden: either he dances to the progressives' tune-- or he & his 'moderates' will be left waiting at the altar, on election day.
So it was ok that the Republicans through McConnell stopped Obama from replacing Scalia 11 months before the election, but its dubious politics to say that maybe replacing RBG should wait until after the election in a month or so?
I don't see the connection between what i wrote-- and your reply.

Possibly my own fault, if my writing wasn't clear.

The premise I attempted to examine-- was that the death of RGB is an opportunity for RGB's fans to bargain for favors from both prez candidates.

And-- RGB's fans are in a better position to extract concessions (by threatening to withhold support) from Biden-- than from Trump.

Do you have an opinion on that?

(i'll answer the question you asked-- in a separate comment.)

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KiwiInOz wrote: So it was ok that the Republicans through McConnell stopped Obama from replacing Scalia 11 months before the election, but its dubious politics to say that maybe replacing RBG should wait until after the election in a month or so?
I think the Repubs were in the wrong in 2016. Unfortunately for the Dems, two wrongs don't make a right... so it's still wrong now. The correct thing for the Dems to do-- is concede that Trump is allowed to make the nomination. And proceed with the confirmation process fair & square. But the Dems could also campaign like hell-- making the case that letting Trump win this-one shows the Dem's superior commitment to honorable, consistent fair-play: a reason to replace Trump & Republicans-- with Democrats. This strategy I've proposed-- would only work if the Dems actually were more virtuous. Unfortunately, they aren't.

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Happy Sunday night... Hope youall have a good week.

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Service Dog wrote:
KiwiInOz wrote: snip
I don't see the connection between what i wrote-- and your reply.

Possibly my own fault, if my writing wasn't clear.

The premise I attempted to examine-- was that the death of RGB is an opportunity for RGB's fans to bargain for favors from both prez candidates.

And-- RGB's fans are in a better position to extract concessions (by threatening to withhold support) from Biden-- than from Trump.

Do you have an opinion on that?

(i'll answer the question you asked-- in a separate comment.)
Sorry. I jumped on what I felt was the zeitgeist re RBG from some commentators here, rather than the specifics of your post.

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Service Dog wrote:
KiwiInOz wrote: So it was ok that the Republicans through McConnell stopped Obama from replacing Scalia 11 months before the election, but its dubious politics to say that maybe replacing RBG should wait until after the election in a month or so?
I think the Repubs were in the wrong in 2016. Unfortunately for the Dems, two wrongs don't make a right... so it's still wrong now. The correct thing for the Dems to do-- is concede that Trump is allowed to make the nomination. And proceed with the confirmation process fair & square. But the Dems could also campaign like hell-- making the case that letting Trump win this-one shows the Dem's superior commitment to honorable, consistent fair-play: a reason to replace Trump & Republicans-- with Democrats. This strategy I've proposed-- would only work if the Dems actually were more virtuous. Unfortunately, they aren't.
I know that two wrongs etc and tu quoque fallacy apply, but it seems that the Dems have historically passed Repub noms whereas the converse has not been true. Virtue in politics seems to be a losing strategy.

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Especially now that everyone is ruthless

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KiwiInOz wrote: it seems that the Dems have historically passed Repub noms whereas the converse has not been true
I think you're overlooking the obvious precedent:

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Following Bork's nomination, Sen. Ted Kennedy took to the Senate floor with a strong condemnation of him, declaring:

Robert Bork's America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens' doors in midnight raids, schoolchildren could not be taught about evolution, writers and artists could be censored at the whim of the Government, and the doors of the Federal courts would be shut on the fingers of millions of citizens for whom the judiciary is—and is often the only—protector of the individual rights that are the heart of our democracy ... President Reagan is still our president. But he should not be able to reach out from the muck of Irangate, reach into the muck of Watergate and impose his reactionary vision of the Constitution on the Supreme Court and the next generation of Americans. No justice would be better than this injustice.[27][28]

Bork responded, "There was not a line in that speech that was accurate."[29]
In an obituary of Kennedy, The Economist remarked that Bork may well have been correct, "but it worked."[29]

Bork also contended in his best-selling[30] book, The Tempting of America, that the brief prepared for Sen. Joe Biden, head of the Senate Judiciary Committee, "so thoroughly misrepresented a plain record that it easily qualifies as world class in the category of scurrility."[31] Opponents of Bork's nomination found the arguments against him justified claiming that Bork believed the Civil Rights Act was unconstitutional, and he supported poll taxes, literacy tests for voting, mandated school prayer, and sterilization as a requirement for a job, while opposing free speech rights for non-political speech and privacy rights for gay conduct.[32]

However, in 1988, an analysis published in The Western Political Quarterly of amicus curiae briefs filed by U.S. Solicitors General during the Warren and Burger Courts found that during Bork's tenure in the position during the Nixon and Ford Administrations (1973–1977), Bork took liberal positions in the aggregate as often as Thurgood Marshall did during the Johnson Administration (1965–1967) and more often than Wade H. McCree did during the Carter Administration (1977–1981), in part because Bork filed briefs in favor of the litigants in civil rights cases 75 percent of the time (contradicting a previous review of his civil rights record published in 1983).[33][34]

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Keating wrote: Especially now that everyone is ruthless
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Also, I kind of question the validity of Ruth Bader Ginsburg's final, dying wish. I don't know why. Call it a gut feeling.

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Postal workers in Chicago say it’s too dangerous to deliver the mail there: https://www.radio.com/wbbm780/news/loca ... ering-mail

This can easily be solved. Welfare payments used to come via check through the mail. Postal workers were guaranteed safe passage through the hood. Revert back to the old system and save the lives of mail carriers.

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Pitchguest wrote: Also, I kind of question the validity of Ruth Bader Ginsburg's final, dying wish. I don't know why. Call it a gut feeling.
It is what Democrats would want her to say. Who knows if she actually had that on her mind as she died. And there is nothing in the constitution to support the claim that outgoing justices can dictate how or when their successor is nominated. I think the Democrats need a reason to rally the troops before the election and this happened at a convenient time.

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"This is the Supreme Court, not the Make A Wish Foundation." --twitter

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The one thing we know for-certain... about Biden's list of nominees...

is it starts with a black women, then more black women, then somewhere down the list is...



...and then more black women

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after that

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Driftless wrote:
Pitchguest wrote: Also, I kind of question the validity of Ruth Bader Ginsburg's final, dying wish. I don't know why. Call it a gut feeling.
It is what Democrats would want her to say. Who knows if she actually had that on her mind as she died. And there is nothing in the constitution to support the claim that outgoing justices can dictate how or when their successor is nominated. I think the Democrats need a reason to rally the troops before the election and this happened at a convenient time.
I mean, I suppose I can sort of buy it if she said postpone an appointment until after the ELECTION, but apparently she said, according to her daughter, postpone until the NEXT PRESIDENT. So supposing Trump wins, her dying wish would be for the Supreme Court to remain vacant for FOUR YEARS. Somehow it doesn't ring true to me.

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If I were to hack the teleprompter & insert my own text-- I couldn't make-up anything worse for BLM, than their actual dialogue.



The funny thing about Kimmel introducing the other guy as 'nine time Emmy nominee' --is that a nomination isn't a win.

Much like a rape allegation isn't a conviction. Three Time Rape Nominee, Anthony Anderson...
Sexual Assault allegations
Anderson was accused of raping a 25-year-old extra in a trailer on the film set of Hustle & Flow on July 27, 2004. The alleged victim accused Anderson and assistant director Wayne Witherspoon of forcibly removing her clothing, photographing her naked body, and digitally penetrating her.[17] A witness claimed to have heard the alleged victim's screams and to have seen her run naked from the trailer, and she was treated at St. Francis Hospital. The charges were dropped on October 6, 2004 because the judge ruled that there was no probable cause to try the case.[18]

Anderson was sued for sexual assault in September 2004 by another woman who claimed that Anderson made sexually suggestive remarks and then assaulted her in his dressing room on the set of All About the Andersons.[19]

On July 20, 2018, it was revealed that he was being investigated by the Los Angeles Police Department for another sexual assault allegation.[18] On September 4, the Los Angeles District Attorney's Office decided not to press charges against Anderson due to lack of evidence.[20]

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Service Dog wrote: .
The one thing we know for-certain... about Biden's list of nominees...

is it starts with a black women, then more black women, then somewhere down the list is...



...and then more black women

and then

after that

everybody else.
The newest justice sits on the end of the bench. I see several justices flying through the air.

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Service Dog wrote: .
The one thing we know for-certain... about Biden's list of nominees...

is it starts with a black women, then more black women, then somewhere down the list is...



...and then more black women

and then

after that

everybody else.
There's at least several in that one.

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Service Dog wrote:
Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:52 pm
KiwiInOz wrote: So it was ok that the Republicans through McConnell stopped Obama from replacing Scalia 11 months before the election, but its dubious politics to say that maybe replacing RBG should wait until after the election in a month or so?
I think the Repubs were in the wrong in 2016. Unfortunately for the Dems, two wrongs don't make a right... so it's still wrong now. The correct thing for the Dems to do-- is concede that Trump is allowed to make the nomination. And proceed with the confirmation process fair & square. But the Dems could also campaign like hell-- making the case that letting Trump win this-one shows the Dem's superior commitment to honorable, consistent fair-play: a reason to replace Trump & Republicans-- with Democrats. This strategy I've proposed-- would only work if the Dems actually were more virtuous. Unfortunately, they aren't.
Why were the Republicans wrong? You hold the senate and the presidency, you nominate a replacement. You don't like the candidate or think there's going to be an opposition bias in the SC with an incoming opposition to possibly exaggerate bias, you block if you hold the senate. Was always thus. This Biden Rule that lips are flapping about supposedly only applies when the presidency and Senate are at odds. Fact is that SC justices are political appointees. At least it is out in the open. The alternative would seem to be appointments by the judiciary themselves and then you may well end up with a hidden, unaccountable ideological bias given the nature of academia these days.

My two cents says that the US constitution was designed to be the least worst of all possible worlds and the core of it contains safeguards to idiot proof it. The principles behind it apply just as well today as they did then, so the progressive tendency to believe that they know better should be strongly resisted because that comes with a lot of potential for bolloxing everything. Not to say that I am in favour of the right injecting religious morality into it. I think it would be uncontroversial to say that the Rep justices are more prone to sticking with the letter of the constitution while Dem ones are more given to "re-interpreting it because current year", so that may perhaps be why Democrats have been less likely to block appointments in the past, if that is indeed true.

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https://newdiscourses.com/2020/09/gamer ... l-justice/

Contains a summary of Elevatorgate too.

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Service Dog wrote:
KiwiInOz wrote: it seems that the Dems have historically passed Repub noms whereas the converse has not been true
I think you're overlooking the obvious precedent:

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Following Bork's nomination, Sen. Ted Kennedy took to the Senate floor with a strong condemnation of him, declaring:

Robert Bork's America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens' doors in midnight raids, schoolchildren could not be taught about evolution, writers and artists could be censored at the whim of the Government, and the doors of the Federal courts would be shut on the fingers of millions of citizens for whom the judiciary is—and is often the only—protector of the individual rights that are the heart of our democracy ... President Reagan is still our president. But he should not be able to reach out from the muck of Irangate, reach into the muck of Watergate and impose his reactionary vision of the Constitution on the Supreme Court and the next generation of Americans. No justice would be better than this injustice.[27][28]

Bork responded, "There was not a line in that speech that was accurate."[29]
In an obituary of Kennedy, The Economist remarked that Bork may well have been correct, "but it worked."[29]

Bork also contended in his best-selling[30] book, The Tempting of America, that the brief prepared for Sen. Joe Biden, head of the Senate Judiciary Committee, "so thoroughly misrepresented a plain record that it easily qualifies as world class in the category of scurrility."[31] Opponents of Bork's nomination found the arguments against him justified claiming that Bork believed the Civil Rights Act was unconstitutional, and he supported poll taxes, literacy tests for voting, mandated school prayer, and sterilization as a requirement for a job, while opposing free speech rights for non-political speech and privacy rights for gay conduct.[32]

However, in 1988, an analysis published in The Western Political Quarterly of amicus curiae briefs filed by U.S. Solicitors General during the Warren and Burger Courts found that during Bork's tenure in the position during the Nixon and Ford Administrations (1973–1977), Bork took liberal positions in the aggregate as often as Thurgood Marshall did during the Johnson Administration (1965–1967) and more often than Wade H. McCree did during the Carter Administration (1977–1981), in part because Bork filed briefs in favor of the litigants in civil rights cases 75 percent of the time (contradicting a previous review of his civil rights record published in 1983).[33][34]
As I indicated previously, I think that the politicisation of the process and of the nominees to the independent third arm of your Government smacks of a corruption that runs deep in your system. The trial by ordure just seems par for the course.

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ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
Why were the Republicans wrong?
Earlier today, I woulda said the Republicans were wrong to leave Obama's nomination of Merrick Garland hanging-- until it expired. I thought they were in dereliction of their duty.

After reading your reply-- I find it plausible that the Republicans were playing within the rules of the game-- to block the nomination. But I still thought it was 'wrong' for the Republicans to assert they were blocking the nomination on principle/ rather than as a bald political ploy.

At least, by April 2017, Mitch McConnell was already admitting the Biden Rule was 'absurd' and should not become permanent policy, going forward.

Then I read more about the 'Biden rule'-- until today, I thought it was based on something Biden said during the 2016 Garland mess. But, no, it was based on something Biden said back in 1992. I am warm to-- using something that fuckwit Biden blathered back in 1992-- against him in 2016. So the 2016 Republicans are even less 'wrong' in my book. The Democrats can only blame themselves for hitching their wagon to Biden again & again & again.

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Service Dog wrote:
Then I read more about the 'Biden rule'-- until today, I thought it was based on something Biden said during the 2016 Garland mess. But, no, it was based on something Biden said back in 1992. I am warm to-- using something that fuckwit Biden blathered back in 1992-- against him in 2016. So the 2016 Republicans are even less 'wrong' in my book. The Democrats can only blame themselves for hitching their wagon to Biden again & again & again.
It wasn't just Biden in 1992, Schumer said in 2007 "we should not confirm any Bush nominee to the Supreme Court, except in extraordinary circumstances". It's clear the Democrats were always (or at least since 1992) planning to deny confirmation to a Republican nominee in the last year of a term if they controlled the Senate.

I do think the GOP committed a protocol error by unprecedently not allowing the Garland nomination to proceed and come to a vote and then not confirming the nomination if he was so unacceptable. I think McConnell was worried that moderate Senators from blue states could not be trusted to vote along party lines, and he wanted to spare Senators the embarrassment of having to explain why they voted not to confirm the sort of Democrat nominee that Republicans historically grudgingly accepted. He should have had the courage of his convictions and if there were 3 or 4 Republican Senators who insisted on voting to confirm, that's a good indication the nomination was a fair one.

Instead, while the plan went perfectly for the GOP, it raised the political animosity around Supreme Court nominations that began with Bork and Thomas to a fever pitch, and from here on in, it will be impossible to get a new Supreme Court Judge through if the Presidency and Senate are polarized regardless of what term year the President is in. We may eventually get a crisis where the Court is stuck at 8 members for several years, or the Democrats may go though with their threat of expanding the number of SC judges if they take full control, which would also be a crisis since it would then go tit for tat with every changing of the guard.

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"Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) touted her intersectional oppression in a recent interview with the New York Times, lamenting that she constantly has to “deal with the hate of anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, anti-blackness, but also with sexism” in the United States."

Dear Muslima...

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I don't think the truth will be told-- about who Jake Gardner really was & how he was let-down by the system-- except in this article:
https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking- ... s-own-life

And I don't trust this tweet... I trust the video interview below it...




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Service Dog wrote: "Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) touted her intersectional oppression in a recent interview with the New York Times, lamenting that she constantly has to “deal with the hate of anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, anti-blackness, but also with sexism” in the United States."

Dear Muslima...
Must be why she can't stay married. Although her latest is rich by some coincidence. ;)

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This brave hero sacrificed himself to demonstrate the lengths that Democrats will go to unseat Trump.

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Keating wrote: https://newdiscourses.com/2020/09/gamer ... l-justice/

Contains a summary of Elevatorgate too.
Thanks for the link. I just finished reading it. I am going to reread it too.

Not now though ... I am off to bed.

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KiwiInOz wrote: The trial by ordure just seems par for the course.
You naughty, funny, boy.

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Keating wrote: https://newdiscourses.com/2020/09/gamer ... l-justice/

Contains a summary of Elevatorgate too.
NewDiscourses.com wrote: Atheism Plus did not like to be questioned, and its most obvious activity was attempting to problematize the luminaries and lights of the movement, which it still continues to this day (despite the movement having effectively dissolved almost five years ago).
That's a pretty nifty trick for a movement that was in effect a solution looking for a problem. And by the writers own admission stillborn.

Seems to be the narrative provided is at best incomplete. For instance if looking for early canaries - they might like to look into media studies and feminism going back to the 2nd Wave (or the Suffragettes and Seneca Falls set - if you want to include the MRA perspective).

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I thought AR-15s were bad guns. Apparently guns aren't bad, the people who carry them are (or something):

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... Floyd.html
An armed group of black men who began patrolling Minneapolis during the unrest in the wake of George Floyd's death have been praised by city officials.

The Minnesota Freedom Fighters was formed in late May after the NAACP chapter in the city's north, predominantly black, neighborhood put out a call for residents to help protect small businesses from violence, fires and looting.

A group of about two dozen men gathered and have patrolled the streets since, carrying AR-15s and Glocks and wearing tactical vests and bandannas.

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Driftless wrote: I thought AR-15s were bad guns. Apparently guns aren't bad, the people who carry them are (or something):
It's usually the bullets that kill you.

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First presidential debate in one week. Dems have got to find some lame excuse to cancel:


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Driftless wrote: I thought AR-15s were bad guns. Apparently guns aren't bad, the people who carry them are (or something):
I thought race-based militias were bad. And police outsourcing their dirty work. And "gender-based violence".
"'It's important to have men from the community step up for the community,' Sasha Cotton, director of the city's Office of Violence Prevention"



And outsiders crossing state lines...
Romeal Taylor, 28, joined the group after seeing people who weren't from the neighborhood... "These were outsiders truly intent on destroying this city."

[[ 6 sentences later]]
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"As well as continuing to patrol in the north Minneapolis, the Freedom Fighters have also traveled to other protests where violence has erupted...
Some members traveled to Louisville, Kentucky,"

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Sooo...a Canadian tried to assassinate the President of the United States. Isn’t that enough reason to invade?
Since a percentage of our forests are now cinders, we could use the lumber resources.
Also, the Democrats want more states. This would do it.

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