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Here's a segment from The Hill, yesterday, reporting insider-perspectives, of staffers in the Bloomberg campaign.

First-- I gotta mention the elephant in the room: that dress Krystal Ball wore yesterday. Jesus Christ. Did she lose a bet?!

Second-- this segment is oddly schizophrenic. Half of the story-- is that Bloomberg made big promises to keep paying his employees until the Democrat Convention/ and he appears to be breaking those promises. The employees are butthurt about Bloomberg's treachery.

The other half of the story-- is that the employees were themselves dealbreaking traitors: they considered themselves "mercenaries". During the campaign, they shit on Bloomberg on their social media. They took Bloomberg's campaign money to canvass door-to-door... for Other Candidates!

I think there's a huge blindspot in the Rising/KrystalBall/DemocraticSocialist worldview. They're so ready to believe that the 'little guy' is being 'exploited' by the billionairecapitalist ((jew!))... they can't see when the poor wretched worker-- deserves a swift kick in the cunt. They report this story as-if it's an expose on Bloomberg-- not on the democrats who worked for him.

These CORRUPT staffers should not be in charge of national policy, bureaucracies, old people & children's welfare, spending tax money, etc.


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Fuck me, this Aussie politician chick is dumber than dust.


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ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:31 am
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If coronavirus proves anything it’s that a society based on individuals will fall at first pressure,

Fucking toilet paper.

Only collective discipline has a chance.
Collective's are made of individuals who will fight over TP until the boss bashes heads, so you are essentially talking about authoritarianism. When it comes to civic responsibility I think you'll find the individuals in the mainland Chinese collective somewhat lacking compared to their Western counterparts. Perhaps you were thinking of Singapore? Very orderly, but wouldn't want to live there.

The real messages of the coronavirus are , never trust the CCP and we are all racists. The lefty media goldfish of the Ministry of Truth are rather exercised over use of the terribly racist words "Chinese coronavirus", having memory-holed their own splashing of the term all over the media just yesterday, starkly demonstrating that truth is whatever helps bash the non-left. The CCP should be blamed for the pandemic. They took steps to protect their military long before they let the public know, waiting until the virus had already taken root, something that probably wouldn't have been possible in a less authoritarian individualistic society.
Nope. It’s black comedy that you are still looking to individually derived virtue as our supermarkets descend into chaos and, lacking anything better, it’s becoming every man for himself.

Maybe I should have been more specific. “A traditional western collective”, not an Eastern communist state.

As in let’s find our common group identity and leverage social synergy under inspiring leadership. Reference the, albeit limited, coming-together occurring amidst Italy’s lockdown.

”We have a better chance of survival if we all work together”.

The current fractures are the dividend of liberal corrosion of community.


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The Romans didn't have stirrups.

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Indeed. Knights only became effective from the 9th Century.

But re Ridley, pragmatic perfection comes garnished with minor imperfection.

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An old friend of ours reminds us of the virus's REAL victims.


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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote: Fuck me, this Aussie politician chick is dumber than dust.

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Had to stop after 55 seconds when she asked if he “pacifically” looked for something - now this could be some nautical reference to the Pacific Ocean but I highly doubt that!


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Not sure I agree with this:

"A Short Letter to a Misunderstanding Right"

https://newdiscourses.com/2020/03/lette ... ing-right/

The gist of it is that the Marxist and socialist left has been the most vocal critic of the intersectionalist, woke left. This has been true since the beginning and has been true up until today.

If this were the case I would think you would have sen a purge of the University faculties. Maybe this happened, but I think the faculty was already left-wing and mostly went along with the new orthodoxy of intersectionalism. The only exception I can think of is Brett Weinstein at Evergreen. He stands out because he was against it and also left-wing.

Few in media speak out, even though many are products of the pre-woke university. All I see is a deflection to the right. If someone mentions Antifa, the reaction is "Why are you worried about some activists? The real problem is right-wing terrorists." The same for free speech on campus, Black Lives Matter, and other manifestations of this.

Another way to look at it is that if Marxists and socialists have been against this since the start they have done a piss-poor job of fighting it.

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Driftless wrote: Not sure I agree with this:

"A Short Letter to a Misunderstanding Right"

https://newdiscourses.com/2020/03/lette ... ing-right/

The gist of it is that the Marxist and socialist left has been the most vocal critic of the intersectionalist, woke left. This has been true since the beginning and has been true up until today.

If this were the case I would think you would have sen a purge of the University faculties. Maybe this happened, but I think the faculty was already left-wing and mostly went along with the new orthodoxy of intersectionalism. The only exception I can think of is Brett Weinstein at Evergreen. He stands out because he was against it and also left-wing.

Few in media speak out, even though many are products of the pre-woke university. All I see is a deflection to the right. If someone mentions Antifa, the reaction is "Why are you worried about some activists? The real problem is right-wing terrorists." The same for free speech on campus, Black Lives Matter, and other manifestations of this.

Another way to look at it is that if Marxists and socialists have been against this since the start they have done a piss-poor job of fighting it.
Classical Marxists criticizing cultural marxism deserve no more credit than homeopaths rejecting Bach Flower Remedy as hooey.


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Sacrum bleu! The Pit is back kind of.

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free thoughtpolice wrote: Sacrum bleu! The Pit is back kind of.
Except... Groundhog Day.

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[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/phpbb/db/driver/driver.php on line 540: sizeof(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable
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It's back! Last 7 days...

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I'm running chrome. When I posted, instead of publishing I got this message:
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Can't log in from Firefox 74, can log in from IE 11.

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Oh Pit I've missed you.

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Oh Pit I've missed you.

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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/in ... et-either/

fivethirtyeight discusses a forecast by 18 infectious disease experts in the U.S.

On March 16&17... the experts were asked to predict how many U.S. Covid-19 cases would confirmed by Sunday March 29.

The experts' consensus forecast was 19,000 cases: a threshold which was actually crossed on March 20; 9 days earlier than expected.

Today-- a week before March 29-- there are 35,213 cases.
Only 3 or 4 of the experts' "high end" guesses haven't already been exceeded.
Only 2 of the experts' "best guesses" haven't already-been exceeded.
Those 2 experts guesses (50,000 by March 29 and 75,000 by March 29)-- would both represent a drastic downturn in the current expansion-rate of new confirmed cases.

Two major caveats to this data-- are

1. if the daily number of confirmed cases-- actually tracks an expansion of the number of Tests being conducted/ rather than the number of people actually becoming infected. (more people tested = more positive tests).

2. the comments section at fivethirtyeight is so amazed at the experts' low guesses-- that some are questioning whether fivethirtyeight interpreted the survey wrong-- and these were the experts predictions for today (sunday) rather than 3/29 (next sunday).

If there's NOT something like-that skewing the data-- then March 29's actual number of confirmed cases will be in a vicinity which the experts previously-predicted single-digit odds of occurring.... <5% chance.

I would cite this survey-of-expert-opinions to rebut anyone who uses 20/20 hindsight to condemn their political opponents for failing to heed the warnings of scientific & medical experts. The experts themselves didn't predict the numbers we're currently seeing.

The 18 experts polled are affiliated with: Institute for Disease Modeling, University of Washington, New Mexico State University, Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health, Graduate School of Public Health University of Pittsburgh, Los Alamos National Laboratory, University of Georgia, University of Virginia, Johns Hopkins University, In-Q-Tel, Kaiser Permanente Washington, Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, University of Massachusetts- Amherst, Imperial College, Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, Carnegie Mellon University, Northeastern University Fogarty International Center, NIH.

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Hmmm. How do we know there hasn’t been a hostile takeover?



I told you so.

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It’s possible nothing has happened other than a service provider deleting log files. Or something. I’d like some proof of proactive life before celebrating.

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Hello Pit - Missed you.

I was able to login using Explorer but not Chrome.

I woke up this morning panting and had a high heart rate. There is a tightness in my chest like I just did a pec workout. No fever. I can hold my breath but my lungs feel tight when I breathe deeply.

I know these are common COVID-19 symptoms. I will see how it goes. Maybe this is mostly in my head. My wife has risk factors (heart disease, diabetes)… not good.

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Hello Pit - Missed you.

I was able to login using Explorer but not Chrome.

I woke up this morning panting and had a high heart rate. There is a tightness in my chest like I just did a pec workout. No fever. I can hold my breath but my lungs feel tight when I breathe deeply.

I know these are common COVID-19 symptoms. I will see how it goes. Maybe this is mostly in my head. My wife has risk factors (heart disease, diabetes)… not good.

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Hello Pit - Missed you.

I was able to login using Explorer but not Chrome.

I woke up this morning panting and had a high heart rate. There is a tightness in my chest like I just did a pec workout. No fever. I can hold my breath but my lungs feel tight when I breathe deeply.

I know these are common COVID-19 symptoms. I will see how it goes. Maybe this is mostly in my head. My wife has risk factors (heart disease, diabetes)… not good.

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Hello Pit - Missed you.

I was able to login using Explorer but not Chrome.

I woke up this morning panting and had a high heart rate. There is a tightness in my chest like I just did a pec workout. No fever. I can hold my breath but my lungs feel tight when I breathe deeply.

I know these are common COVID-19 symptoms. I will see how it goes. Maybe this is mostly in my head. My wife has risk factors (heart disease, diabetes)… not good.

Maybe this will post... maybe not. I got an error already when trying to post so I will post again (maybe this will make a double post)

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Haha.... I win! A quadruple post! I kept getting an error when I tried to post so I assumed the post didn't go through. Well.... the post did go through even though I got an error.

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This is the error I get when I post using Explorer.
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/phpbb/db/driver/driver.php on line 540: sizeof(): Parameter must be an array or an object that implements Countable
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Longest Pitkill ever. Thanks for curing it, FT.

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I wonder if he used colloidal silver or a blow dryer.

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I got an error message. Pit still isn't 100% Better hit it with more blow dryer.

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My first thought was that both maps are proxies for population density so it was a visual tautology that didn't mean much. But I think the Icelandic situation definitively shows that international travel was the most important vector. Iceland is a small, sparsely populated country which has become a disproportionately popular travel destination and hub, and perhaps most importantly, has a population that does a huge amount of international travel. It now has about 40% more active cases than Ontario, with a population less than 1/40th of Ontario.

I'm not sure what could have been done, though. The majority of this travel were people returning home. Was it thinkable to strand citizens in a foreign country in a pandemic, or instituting a blanket quarantine on all returning travelers when the nature of the threat wasn't yet known. In 20/20 hindsight, the quarantine would have been the best option. But there are pandemic threats every 3-4 years (SARS, MERS, West Nile, Zika, H1N1), and before this, none of them went pandemic and turned out to be quite manageable without significant policy changes. Is it feasible to institute a blanket quarantine policy for a few months every 3-4 years? I think epidemiologists will study this outbreak in minute detail over the next couple years to the point we know the patient 0 in almost every country, and then some very careful cost-benefit analysis will need to be done to learn what the best policies are for this kind of threat in the future.

I do have to say I'm impressed Thunderfoot was able to release a graphics-only video and didn't feel the need to reiterate his main point about forty times.

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Effin' lefties. Sure, let's suspend the system that is providing an incredibly reliable supply chain under very challenging circumstances with almost no price shocks. I guess we want government run soup kitchens instead.

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jugheadnaut wrote:
My first thought was that both maps are proxies for population density so it was a visual tautology that didn't mean much. But I think the Icelandic situation definitively shows that international travel was the most important vector. Iceland is a small, sparsely populated country which has become a disproportionately popular travel destination and hub, and perhaps most importantly, has a population that does a huge amount of international travel. It now has about 40% more active cases than Ontario, with a population less than 1/40th of Ontario.

I'm not sure what could have been done, though. The majority of this travel were people returning home. Was it thinkable to strand citizens in a foreign country in a pandemic, or instituting a blanket quarantine on all returning travelers when the nature of the threat wasn't yet known. In 20/20 hindsight, the quarantine would have been the best option. But there are pandemic threats every 3-4 years (SARS, MERS, West Nile, Zika, H1N1), and before this, none of them went pandemic and turned out to be quite manageable without significant policy changes. Is it feasible to institute a blanket quarantine policy for a few months every 3-4 years? I think epidemiologists will study this outbreak in minute detail over the next couple years to the point we know the patient 0 in almost every country, and then some very careful cost-benefit analysis will need to be done to learn what the best policies are for this kind of threat in the future.

I do have to say I'm impressed Thunderfoot was able to release a graphics-only video and didn't feel the need to reiterate his main point about forty times.
Although to be fair his "...explained in 60 seconds" video is 1:11 long.

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jugheadnaut wrote: Effin' lefties.
One global crisis-- and Krystal & Saagar both transform into Kamala Harris, overnight.

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screwtape wrote: Longest Pitkill ever. Thanks for curing it, FT.
While the FT owes us nothing, I hope he does explain what happened and why no replacement home page with an explanatory message was put up. I assume it's a personal or family emergency of some sort, and if so, that comes first, and thanks for taking the time to get things partially up again.

I did notice there's both a private sympepit reddit and twitter account. Does anyone use these as a backchannel? If not, perhaps we should have a mutually agreed backchannel should this type of situation recur. While it's a declining community, I think it's still a valuable one and I would hate to see it go poof in an instant.

I also think that the Pit archive is a significant cultural artifact at this point, and would like to see a public backup of the phpBB database (stripped of all profile and PM content, of course). I'll volunteer to put a searchable front-end on it, if there's interest.

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Thanks for fixing the Pit FT.
Also. don't try this at home kids, cooking your nasal passages could cause long term damage:


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Still not working for me in FireFox. But happy to see it back, I thought the Tit had carked it from that guy in his office with the virus.Maybe had a switch set up for his wife to hit in times of direst emergency.

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How ya doing now, John? Keep breathing, friend.

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Watch it with the sound off. Her body language is plenty loud.

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I think this 2 Trillion Dollar corona-spending plan... makes as much sense as coronating Trump to be Santa Claus
& declaring "Christmas Came Early!!! Everything's Going To Be Just Fine!!!"

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Thanks FT!

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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:55 pm
Fuck me, this Aussie politician chick is dumber than dust.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYF08jJi9Hg
<Tap Tap... > Is this thing back on?

Pauline Hanson. The sad thing is that people vote for her. The sadder thing is that she's not even the worst in her party ("Pauline Hanson's One Nation"):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_R ... olitician)

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Seems I spoke too soon. No images in posts, or as avatars. True for Firefox, Safari, Vivaldi, Brave, Opera and Tor.

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Thanks for fixing. I don't see the error messages I was seeing last week.

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Is Ann Coulter this dumb or does she think her followers are dumb?

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I had to do a complete reinstall. Will be adding avatars and images back as I get around to it.

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Hey! The Pyt's back! Thought maybe FT decided it was time to close shop. I don't visit as often as I used to, but I'd be sad if the pit wasn't there.

I was recently shadow banned at Slate. I don't even know what set them off, as I don't troll there, and I think my posts are fairly innocuous. So I registered as someone new and I'm back on. I've noticed WMD Kitty-the idiot from The Friendly Atheist who repeatedly doxxed Skeptickle-is there now.

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Looks like DPR Jones got in early to avoid the rush...

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I had to do a complete reinstall. Will be adding avatars and images back as I get around to it.
Thank you! Apparently restarting and powering on and off failed to fix it so you had to use the nuclear option.

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Moar vertigo, mostly from Vancouver Island.
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Driftless wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:50 am
Is Ann Coulter this dumb or does she think her followers are dumb?

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Yes.

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Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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free thoughtpolice wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:40 am
Moar vertigo, mostly from Vancouver Island.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnjPcBczZ5E
After watching this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INbKYq0G9nU

None of the others seem to have much effect.

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Back in the good old days I used to backpack and camp in the local mountains. One of our favorite spots was a cliff wall dropping almost vertically 1000 feet int o the river below. I have to say I watched my footing near the edge very carefully.
What a view too. Across the canyon was the aptly named Castlecrag Mountain that had giant blockish Basalt pillars that look like the crenels on castle battlements.

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Not a shot of the view I was talking about but is all near to the spot and is a good summary of the scenery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epZH3Db23Q4

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Lsuoma wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:57 am
I had to do a complete reinstall. Will be adding avatars and images back as I get around to it.
My experiences with phpBB have been less than smooth. Still running 3.2.2 without issues. Anyway...

If anyone can tolerate some semi-serious thought:

These thoughts are in my mind. I may be wrong to have any of them. I don't really have anyone with a wonderfully cool and scientific mindset to whom to present them. As a physician I had all sorts of experience with epidemiology, and the ethical decisions that had to be made about rationing resources. I know next to nothing about economics, and tend to despise it as an unscientific discipline. History has become my main love since I have had the time to spend upon what interests me, rather than upon what must be ingested for work purposes. My concern here is why a disease with such a relatively small mortality rate (I say that knowing what mortality looks like in the front line, and as someone who drags along behind him his own personal bag of bones from failed and inept professional choices) is having such an ahistorical effect on our lives and economies? Why the disproportionate effect compared to the Black Death, the Great Plague, and the Spanish Influenza?

Given that a combination of leukemia and chemo place me in a spot where I haven't the slightest chance of surviving if one of these viruses enter my poor, tired, old, body (even now, I hate that Oxford comma) - I think about things at a larger scale. If no one else has thought about it, we will easily survive this as a species, as societies, and as individual nations. For goodness' sake, we survived a 33% death rate in the mid-1300's, and history mutters one or two things about peasants wanting higher wages. Well, good for Wat Tyler and his mates (briefly, as it turned out at the time). We know, intellectually, about the Great Plague. The sacrifices of Eyam, and suchlike. And history tells us that the Great Fire of London seemed to be a cleansing flame - what a marvelous consolation! Go read Defoe's Journal of a Plague Year if you enjoy that kind of thing. In 1918-1919 we had a 10% death rate from the "Spanish" 'flu, and more people died from it than those killed during the Great War.

So, right now we face a disease with a paltry 1% death rate if we do our best to help those affected. I don't know what the death rate would be if no medical help were offered - no ventilators, no antibiotics for secondary infections, no general supportive measures at all. Just lie in your bed and see if you wake up again, in the old fashioned manner. Shall we double it to 2%, or be awfully pessimistic and set it at, say, 5%? We are told, currently, that 6% require hospitalisation, and 1% die. So the death rate, unmodified by modern medical care cannot be over 6%. No doubt a good few of those we admit would survive at home, so a 5% death rate seems to be the upper limit if no medical care is available. But remember, most will have no symptoms, or minor symptoms, and then recover. Evidently, societies, economies, whichever seems to be the best or most important way of describing ourselves can take this in our stride. Yes, there are casualties, and if I'm to be one of them, allow me the consolation of knowing it will have made little difference to the histories of our era written a thousand years hence.

So, let's get to the meat of this thought. If a relatively primitive society/economy in the mid-1300s could endure a 33% death rate and no one cares or writes much about it within the next couple of centuries, and 102 years ago the world suffered a pandemic influenza that had a death rate of about 10%, and there is no common cultural memory about it all in our awareness, why the heck are we being so damaged by this virus?
Let me be clear: I'm not minimising the risks, and I'm not in any position to do so personally. No, I'll write this from the point of view of a dead man walking. If we do nothing - NOTHING - at all about this virus, around 5% of us will die at most. The rest of us, and I do mean all of the rest of us, will get it and be a bit sick and then get better. Those who die will be the oldest, weakest and most expensive members of our societies. Once that is done, and herd immunity now prevents this virus from being anything other than a rare threat, will we be better off or worse? I know I'm not supposed to ask that, but just think about it. I have not yet managed to be a burden on society, and I may say that my ambition now is to eventually become one! But if this coronavirus takes me and my fellow unworthies away, we will no longer cost our society anything: the balance between aged dependents and young working folk will have been altered in favour of the latter. Economically, that is a plus, no matter how much we might dislike admitting it.
And to get to the very marrow of the matter: given the above, why are our economies being so devastated by such a small death rate among the unproductive members of our societies? I can't believe, under ordinary circumstances, that I would write such an uncaring and fascistic thing - but being one of the expensive and unwanted, I feel I have the right to do so. We could choose to carry on as normal. A very few young people would die, and many of the elderly and chronically ill. Most would have a few days' symptoms and then go back to work.We could compare other sources of mortality than plagues - the world wars took large proportions of our young men, for example. A horrible and hateful thought, but far worse than oldies and infirm like me to be the ones that have to go.
If that's what it would look like to do nothing at all about this virus, why are we living under the gathering stormcloud of economic disaster for all when this is over, if it is ever over? Is this related to the stunning differences in mindset between us oldies and today's youth? Time was when the worst thing you could say of a parent was that they spoiled their child, and then that such a child was spoiled. We don't say those things anymore as all children are spoiled according to older lights. So have expectations of continued smooth and carefree living got to the point where a 5% death rate among the oldest and weakest can bring a whole society to its knees? I'm beginning to suspect this, and do so, once again, without having the expectation of being one of the survivors if such a view were universally adopted.
Good lord, I don't like to write such seemingly uncaring things, but as an amateur historian I try to compare today's circumstances with those that our ancestors overcame. The thing that remains to be understood is how a disease that has a relatively small death rate compared to historical plagues and warfare is having an undue effect on our society and our economy. Is it our unwillingness to accept any casualties? Is it all due to our media presenting facts in the best way to increase their profits? I don't know, and maybe won't be around to find out. I do expect that future historians will enjoy dissecting this (and, no doubt, award many worthless postgrad degrees based upon such dissections!). What do you think about it in this light? I'm not suggesting for a moment that Trump understands any of this and is correct in wanting to loosen restrictions; I don't think he understands much beyond a basic gut instinct for impressing himself upon others, and maybe that serves some purpose in the mysterious movements of democracies.

So the TL;DR of all this burbling is this: would we be better off to accept the 5% casualties among the frail and the elderly but have our societies and economies continue as normal? Or is there a good argument for drawing out the torment as long as possible and saving some weak and elderly lives at enormous cost to the young and vigorous?

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