So we just need to figure out when the speed of social change started to change over time.
I'll put my money on the 1970s (based on 'Futureshock') or perhaps the Renaissance. I'm sure there are graphs for this sort of thing too.
So we just need to figure out when the speed of social change started to change over time.
From what I can tell there are the forces of 'Good' and the forces of 'Evil' and then a third group that rejects both.Bhurzum wrote: ↑They borrow from mythology although it's mainly names only. The "mother of monsters" theme does sound familiar though...
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/dia ... 0619005911
https://diablo.fandom.com/wiki/Lilith
Even though I hate Blizzard with a passion, I'm currently in the "shut up and take my money" camp. ;)
You must have been living under a rock to avoid spoilers for that one.
I think that it is screwtape that you'll miss, not me. You'll probably miss me like you miss NEC v2.0.MarcusAu wrote: ↑You must have been living under a rock to avoid spoilers for that one.
Speaking of life disrupting events - my sister and nephew are visiting over xmas.
But seriously all the best - I would miss you if you were not here - it's just not the same when other people ignore my comments.
My money is on when the Dems took to the street to disavow the election result, having previously stood in stunned horror when they assumed the perfidious deplorables May do the same.
Bugger. On the upside, I guess you can eat all the chicken Parma you can handle without long term guilt ?screwtape wrote: ↑ Things change more quickly than expected. Having had night sweats, dyspnœa and fatigue, a CT scan last week confirmed enlarged nodes everywhere, but my delightful young Egyptian hematologist told me today that my expectation of repeat fludaribine/cyclophosphamide/rituximab as second line therapy was outdated and 'too harsh' for someone of my age. Now I must read all about ibrutinib and whether I am still allowed to use a straight razor and to sip a little whisky (initial readings are 'no' to both). Mean progression free survival on this is 35 months, so maybe worth forgoing a proper shave (there's always a mini-BMT or venetoclax afterwards). First, I have to prove the chromosomal studies of the malignant B cells haven't developed any nasty changes, and I have to get a lymph node out to ensure that we are not dealing with a transformation to another kind of lymphoma. I do have some goals:
1. I need to see Trudeau fall
2. Ditto Trump
3. Brexit happen, preferably the 'clean break'
4. Season 3 of 'The Crown'
5. Yeah, a few more rats
Not looking for any replies. Just information in case I disappear. Carry on (and I shall do the same).
I was going with the definition of acceleration. Which can happen at slow or fast speeds making it difficult to determine a starting point.Brive1987 wrote: ↑My money is on when the Dems took to the street to disavow the election result, having previously stood in stunned horror when they assumed the perfidious deplorables May do the same.
2016 brought thwarted feminist woke SJWism into partisan politics with a healthy dose of anti-white racism and liberal self hatred. Quite the combination.
I can think of previous politically partisan elections but not woke inducing ones.MarcusAu wrote: ↑I was going with the definition of acceleration. Which can happen at slow or fast speeds making it difficult to determine a starting point.Brive1987 wrote: ↑My money is on when the Dems took to the street to disavow the election result, having previously stood in stunned horror when they assumed the perfidious deplorables May do the same.
2016 brought thwarted feminist woke SJWism into partisan politics with a healthy dose of anti-white racism and liberal self hatred. Quite the combination.
Probably 2016 is a little late though. Peoples impulse to be a 'moral scold' or a 'do-gooder' or to express righteous indignation goes back further than that. The degree and quality of current social discourse could be linked to the ubiquity of social media.
In which case it's a Melody Hensley world and we are all just PTSD victims living in it.
Politicians come in two flavours - partisan and spineless. While I'd prefer not having to taste either - if push comes to shove I'll go with the former.Brive1987 wrote: ↑ I can think of previous politically partisan elections but not woke inducing ones.
The car may have been gently accelerating for some time, but since 2016 the pedal has been stamped to the floor. Quite possibly powered by converging forces, but the counter neo-lib ground-swell and militant-lib factions seem quite new.
It would probably be a mistake to look for a single magic bullet cause. Like most seemingly abrupt cultural changes, it was likely a confluence of factors in the loosely coupled dynamical soup that is culture which happened to superpose around 2015-2016. Factors I can think of include:
The trouble is that there aren't enough tall buildings in London to toss gays off of.screwtape wrote: ↑ Imagine a new gay rights group having to hold its inaugural meeting in secret, and not in 1960, nor in Tehran, but in present day London:
https://quillette.com/2019/11/04/meet-t ... omophobes/
I think intersection thinking is also part of it. It used to be Democrats vs. Republicans (in the USA), but now it is women vs. men, minorities vs. whites, trans vs. cis, millennials vs. boomers, etc. There are more tribes and the tribes are based on mostly unchangeable characteristics. And there is no attempt to persuade, just to blame. That is one problem with Greta's speech. It was not about coming together to try to solve a problem, it was about blame.jugheadnaut wrote: ↑It would probably be a mistake to look for a single magic bullet cause. Like most seemingly abrupt cultural changes, it was likely a confluence of factors in the loosely coupled dynamical soup that is culture which happened to superpose around 2015-2016. Factors I can think of include:
- A few years of cocooning and tribalization due to social media (especially Twitter, easily the most pernicious of the lot)
- The coming of age of the historically coddled and fragile Gen Z
- Mainstream media panic over their lack of influence as gatekeepers
- Financial incentivization of mainstream media to focus on niche audiences
- Increasing monoculture of the Academy
- The election of Trump, perhaps serving as a tipping point, radicalizing many on the mainstream and center left, and even some centrists and center-rightists.
Yes, add authoritarian identitarianism to the tinder box and a particularly virulent strain of Manichean radical leftism emerged. One that had no interest in discussion, persuasion, and compromise, only provocation and vilification.Driftless wrote: ↑
I think intersection thinking is also part of it. It used to be Democrats vs. Republicans (in the USA), but now it is women vs. men, minorities vs. whites, trans vs. cis, millennials vs. boomers, etc. There are more tribes and the tribes are based on mostly unchangeable characteristics. And there is no attempt to persuade, just to blame. That is one problem with Greta's speech. It was not about coming together to try to solve a problem, it was about blame.
I think the big thing in the 1990s were campus speech codes. I remember reading a story in the local paper where a professor who was initially in favor of a proposed speech code listened to students speaking in favor of it and heard one student say the code was necessary because of words like "niggardly". At that point the professor realized that these people were nuts and was against it.jugheadnaut wrote: ↑Yes, add authoritarian identitarianism to the tinder box and a particularly virulent strain of Manichean radical leftism emerged. One that had no interest in discussion, persuasion, and compromise, only provocation and vilification.Driftless wrote: ↑
I think intersection thinking is also part of it. It used to be Democrats vs. Republicans (in the USA), but now it is women vs. men, minorities vs. whites, trans vs. cis, millennials vs. boomers, etc. There are more tribes and the tribes are based on mostly unchangeable characteristics. And there is no attempt to persuade, just to blame. That is one problem with Greta's speech. It was not about coming together to try to solve a problem, it was about blame.
But the interesting question for me is what lead to the fertile environment for identity politics this decade, when the 1990's identity politics front couldn't make headway beyond the campus left and collapsed amid ridicule within a few years.
I first noticed it during the 2008 Dem primaries, when obama rode a wave of pavlovian white guilt and dreamy-eyed youth certain they were on the cusp of the Dawning of the Age of Aquarius. Most journalists today are in their early twenties -- the veterans having been driven out -- so were in grade school when obama was first elected, then passed through the increasingly radicalized university system. Already trapped in an ideas bubble, their range of perspective is further narrowed by Twitter.jugheadnaut wrote: ↑It would probably be a mistake to look for a single magic bullet cause. Like most seemingly abrupt cultural changes, it was likely a confluence of factors in the loosely coupled dynamical soup that is culture which happened to superpose around 2015-2016. Factors I can think of include:
- A few years of cocooning and tribalization due to social media (especially Twitter, easily the most pernicious of the lot)
- The coming of age of the historically coddled and fragile Gen Z
- Mainstream media panic over their lack of influence as gatekeepers
- Financial incentivization of mainstream media to focus on niche audiences
- Increasing monoculture of the Academy
- The election of Trump, perhaps serving as a tipping point, radicalizing many on the mainstream and center left, and even some centrists and center-rightists.
6 now. Your post must have scared them away.free thoughtpolice wrote: ↑ 114 guests? Is the counter broken?
Could be, or maybe some bot gone wrong.InfraRedBucket wrote: ↑6 now. Your post must have scared them away.free thoughtpolice wrote: ↑ 114 guests? Is the counter broken?
Is there some site or forum somewhere that's suddenly linking to here?
Well it is really stupid to blame the public for obeying orders from firefighters in what was probably a highly confusing and disorienting circumstance. I like Mogg, but he can display a high degree of detachment from mere mortals.SM1957 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:25 pmDo you know who is literally Hitler in Britain right now?
People who say it is common sense to leave a burning building, rather than stay and get burned to death.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/05/worl ... -mogg.html
He's definitely no common moggie. He probably also heard that the fire mark was not clearly displayed.ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: ↑ Well it is really stupid to blame the public for obeying orders from firefighters in what was probably a highly confusing and disorienting circumstance. I like Mogg, but he can display a high degree of detachment from mere mortals.
This'll keep 'em out.
The firefighters who told people to stay and burn to death are not Hitler. The person who said it is common sense to leave a burning building is Hitler.ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: ↑Well it is really stupid to blame the public for obeying orders from firefighters in what was probably a highly confusing and disorienting circumstance. I like Mogg, but he can display a high degree of detachment from mere mortals.SM1957 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:25 pmDo you know who is literally Hitler in Britain right now?
People who say it is common sense to leave a burning building, rather than stay and get burned to death.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/05/worl ... -mogg.html
Since only you seem to have called them Hitler , then you've answered your own question. Other people simply criticized the remarks. Not leaving a burning building is counter intuitive but there are often good reasons why people are advised to behave counter intuitively in an emergency (eg moving a person in an accident with a potentially broken neck) The delayed decision to abandon the "stay put policy " in a defective building (after about 2 hours) is another matter.SM1957 wrote: ↑The firefighters who told people to stay and burn to death are not Hitler. The person who said it is common sense to leave a burning building is Hitler.ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: ↑Well it is really stupid to blame the public for obeying orders from firefighters in what was probably a highly confusing and disorienting circumstance. I like Mogg, but he can display a high degree of detachment from mere mortals.SM1957 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:25 pmDo you know who is literally Hitler in Britain right now?
People who say it is common sense to leave a burning building, rather than stay and get burned to death.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/05/worl ... -mogg.html
How is that even possible?
Bridgen soon after apologized for comparing Ree Mogg to Hitler....or summat liek that...Jacob is a leader, he’s an authority figure,” Mr. Bridgen said in a radio interview, describing why Mr. Rees-Mogg would have made it out of the Grenfell fire alive. “We want very clever people running the country, don’t we?”
Appearing on the Andrew Neil show on Wednesday night, the Business Minister struggled when the BBC interviewer brought up Boris Johnson’s comments comparing Jeremy Corbyn to Stalin on the grounds that he and his supporters hates wealth and aspiration so much that they ‘point their fingers at individuals with a relish and a vindictiveness not seen since Stalin persecuted the kulaks’.
When Neil suggested that this comparison didn’t hold up to scrutiny given that Stalin had people shot, Zahawi was unsure. Pressed on whether Corbyn really wants to have wealthy people shot, Zahawi replied:
‘I don’t know, you will have to ask him that question’
“I don’t know”
I'm confused. Didn't Hitler die before leaving the building in order to be burned?SM1957 wrote: ↑The firefighters who told people to stay and burn to death are not Hitler. The person who said it is common sense to leave a burning building is Hitler.ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: ↑Well it is really stupid to blame the public for obeying orders from firefighters in what was probably a highly confusing and disorienting circumstance. I like Mogg, but he can display a high degree of detachment from mere mortals.SM1957 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:25 pmDo you know who is literally Hitler in Britain right now?
People who say it is common sense to leave a burning building, rather than stay and get burned to death.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/05/worl ... -mogg.html
How is that even possible?
Jacob Rees-Mogg is accused of being arrogant for saying it is common-sense to leave a burning building , by the same people who think the 2016 Referendum should be ignored because people didn't know what they were voting for, and the more educated people voted to Remain.ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: ↑Well it is really stupid to blame the public for obeying orders from firefighters in what was probably a highly confusing and disorienting circumstance. I like Mogg, but he can display a high degree of detachment from mere mortals.SM1957 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:25 pmDo you know who is literally Hitler in Britain right now?
People who say it is common sense to leave a burning building, rather than stay and get burned to death.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/05/worl ... -mogg.html
Is there a trend of these articles? Slate just published a slightly different take, but still upset about lack of genitalia:Driftless wrote: ↑ Someone who loves Ken because of his genitals, not because of his gender:
https://jezebel.com/the-strange-sad-sto ... 1839221635
Why is this not called out as transphobic?
At the risk of being a bit IOKWWDI, at least Zahawi did say to ask the man himself rather than try to answer for him and declare him unfit to be heard. If only Corbyn were just an idiot. I'm afraid that he's a throwback to the days of Militant and union thuggery. The man never met an anti-Western despot he didn't like or a pro-Western democracy he did. He loves his bomb planting anti-imperialists, because look what we made the poor brown people do. The irony of it all, strangely seldom referred to, is that Jezza and his Trump hating cohorts are the real Putin sympathisers. I don't think I'm paranoid in suspecting that Corbyn in power would be a genuine security risk to the country.InfraRedBucket wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:25 amSince only you seem to have called them Hitler , then you've answered your own question. Other people simply criticized the remarks. Not leaving a burning building is counter intuitive but there are often good reasons why people are advised to behave counter intuitively in an emergency (eg moving a person in an accident with a potentially broken neck) The delayed decision to abandon the "stay put policy " in a defective building (after about 2 hours) is another matter.SM1957 wrote: ↑The firefighters who told people to stay and burn to death are not Hitler. The person who said it is common sense to leave a burning building is Hitler.ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: ↑Well it is really stupid to blame the public for obeying orders from firefighters in what was probably a highly confusing and disorienting circumstance. I like Mogg, but he can display a high degree of detachment from mere mortals.SM1957 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:25 pmDo you know who is literally Hitler in Britain right now?
People who say it is common sense to leave a burning building, rather than stay and get burned to death.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/05/worl ... -mogg.html
How is that even possible?
Unless because Hitler was "an authority figure" and some might have in his day described him as " a very cleaver person running the country"
that makes RM literally Hitler , from the word of his own idiot supporters.
Bridgen soon after apologized for comparing Ree Mogg to Hitler....or summat liek that...Jacob is a leader, he’s an authority figure,” Mr. Bridgen said in a radio interview, describing why Mr. Rees-Mogg would have made it out of the Grenfell fire alive. “We want very clever people running the country, don’t we?”
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/po ... ting-jacob
I'm definitely no fan of Corbyn - he's another idiot, but here's another "clever person running the country " who says Corbyn is actually Stalin:
Appearing on the Andrew Neil show on Wednesday night, the Business Minister struggled when the BBC interviewer brought up Boris Johnson’s comments comparing Jeremy Corbyn to Stalin on the grounds that he and his supporters hates wealth and aspiration so much that they ‘point their fingers at individuals with a relish and a vindictiveness not seen since Stalin persecuted the kulaks’.
When Neil suggested that this comparison didn’t hold up to scrutiny given that Stalin had people shot, Zahawi was unsure. Pressed on whether Corbyn really wants to have wealthy people shot, Zahawi replied:
‘I don’t know, you will have to ask him that question’
“I don’t know”
So he's possibly a potential mass murderer by implication (ask him about that ) but thankfully he's not declaring him unfit to to be heard...At the risk of being a bit IOKWWDI, at least Zahawi did say to ask the man himself rather than try to answer for him and declare him unfit to be heard.
Yes, a lot more decent than declaring someone to be a fascist or white supremacist, telling outright lies about them and then campaigning to have them thrown off of mass media so that they can't defend themselves, which is what Labour love to do to people like Tommy Robinson, Waters and Carl Benjamin. I didn't say it was a smart or particularly nice thing to say. Do you have a problem with that, or is only total condemnation allowed without any mitigation?InfraRedBucket wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:12 amSo he's possibly a potential mass murderer by implication (ask him about that ) but thankfully he's not declaring him unfit to to be heard...At the risk of being a bit IOKWWDI, at least Zahawi did say to ask the man himself rather than try to answer for him and declare him unfit to be heard.
how jolly decent of him .... :roll:
Aussieland was made to burn. Those Port Jackson willows and bluegums are like candles. They grow like weeds after a fire which is why they are taking over in South Africa. The local fynbos is relatively fire resistant, but grows more slowly and loses out to Port Jacksons. So we are not only losing indigenous vegetation, its being replaced by a fire hazard. A few years ago I was living just out of the city and we had a spate of fires. Port Jacksons lay down a carpet of thin, very flammable leaves, so airborne embers create lots of new outbreaks. Just when you think you've got everything under control, you'll see a new column of smoke coming out of the bush. Sometimes the fire would smoulder unseen under the top layer of leaves for hours before flaring up. I''ve raked back the leaves from the edge of a fire to find that it's crept many metres under the surface.Lsuoma wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:07 amLooks like NSW is getting Fd in the A:
https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/ma ... ms_modis_t
The answer, of course, is to ban 'assault weapons'.• Most attackers had experienced psychological, behavioral, or developmental symptoms;
• half of the attackers had received one or more mental health services prior to their attack;
• All attackers experienced social stressors involving their relationships with peers and/or romantic partners;
• Nearly every attacker experienced negative home life factors ... includ[ing] parental divorce or separation, drug use or criminal charges among family members, or domestic abuse;
• Most attackers had a history of school disciplinary actions, and many had prior contact with law enforcement: Most attackers had a history of receiving school disciplinary actions resulting from a broad range of inappropriate behavior
• All attackers exhibited concerning behaviors ... rang[ing] from a constellation of lower-level concerns to objectively concerning or prohibited behaviors;
• Most of the attackers communicated a prior threat to their target or communicated their intentions to carry out an attack.
... attackers used 18 handguns and 9 long guns during the attacks, with two attackers using multiple firearms. The remainder [16] used bladed weapons....
If the fucking transwomen athletes really want to help the cause of trans acceptance... they'd fucking come in 2nd or 3rd place once in a while.Driftless wrote: ↑ Slate is doing well today. Here's something that can be solved by getting more trans women into sports:
https://slate.com/technology/2019/11/ma ... nners.html
Yep. I'm currently in Lismore, NSW. The fires are miles away but the smoke is full on. And it's unlikely to change for days if not weeks.Lsuoma wrote: ↑ Looks like NSW is getting Fd in the A:
https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/ma ... ms_modis_t
I am not sure I fully believe this woman. I think she knows more that she is saying. She is a TV producer and she has never heard of Project Veritas? Hmmmm. If feel sorry for her though. She was only on her new job for 4 days so she can be fired without cause. She probably wont even be able to sue for wrongful termination.
I saw it in the theaters, which included 30 minutes afterward of Jackson describing how the film was made. He mentions one clip of a group of soldiers in a sunken road. All of them had panic on their faces, especially the one in the forefront. They were about to go over and Jackson says the entire regt was wiped out. Had that one tommy's face in my head for days.