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Someone brought up the helicopter on Mars proposal.
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HxA Open Mind Award Blog: Alice Dreger
Alice Dreger video up at Heterodox Academy:
https://heterodoxacademy.org/hxa-open-m ... ce-dreger/
Alice Dreger video up at Heterodox Academy:
https://heterodoxacademy.org/hxa-open-m ... ce-dreger/
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Bookmarked for later. I'm fascinated by this.
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I watched about half of it last night. Kudos to Tfoot. It seems he actually took the time to investigate this. To me gives some of his other videos more credence.
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I think psychiatric meds can cause bloating like this, though screwtape or similar would be a more reliable source of info.Ape+lust wrote: ↑ So, I guess the plan is to feed him until he explodes?
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I remember the days when TFoot's videos used to last about the time it takes to get to Mars and back.comhcinc wrote: ↑I watched about half of it last night. Kudos to Tfoot. It seems he actually took the time to investigate this. To me gives some of his other videos more credence.
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Wow! High praise indeed! Almost as high as "Kirbman or Steersmarc" .... ;-)Kirbmarc wrote: ↑Nope. Read the sentence again.Brive1987 wrote: ↑ Oh.
I think I found Steers cutting argument that gave Kirb a quiver:
Differences between Western Countries pale in comparison to Islam and are therefore superficial.
Furthermore .....
Well. I still think you are wrong. So nah.I still think that most of what you call "a cultural and national identity" is mostly superficialities, a weak reed to be putting much faith in. Or build a movement on.
You were pushing the idea that "sports, music, foundation stories" were as important as values. Steersman (credit is where credit is due) pointed out that "sports, music, foundation stories" aren't common to countries that instead share sets of values. Even you don't really care about the waves of Italian or Greek immigrants who certainly didn't have "sports, music, foundation stories" in common with the Old Stock British Australians, but are greatly concerned about the Chinese or Indian immigrants. ....Those differences can't be all that important to the functioning of various societies if they're absent in many of them that happen to share a great many other values.
Indeed. Interesting argument - I find it so in any case - as to what are essential elements of various structures - those which contribute to their "irreducible complexity" (so to speak), whether they are objects like cars or whether they're individuals or societies. Some justification for the philosophy of essentialism, but "gender essentialism" looks to be predicated on some serious and untenable woo, on some highly questionable "motivated reasoning".Kirbmarc wrote: ↑This isn't about islam, at least not directly. This is about the fundamental arbitrary sets of characteristics that you think are important or necessary when it comes to your argument against Chinese or Indian immigration (or, yes, immigration from muslim majority countries) but NOT when it comes to Italian or Greek immigration.
Seems reasonable to argue that there are two kinds of people (those who understand binary and those who don't ....) since a rather large number of genes exist with only two alleles. But it seems a stretch to argue or insist that they uniquely correlate with a particular sex, with the ability to produce a particular gamete. Whole pile of fuzzy if not egregiously dogmatic thinking involved in the issue.
"nostaglia" - quite right; Brive seems a bit young to be telling people - me in particular - to be getting off his lawn ... ;-)Kirbmarc wrote: ↑The problem, Brive, is that your definitions of what is important or necessary are muddled, confused, and conflate the issue of the rule of law with the issue of long-term integration and with cultural clash or cultural contact. The specific problems of islam are a side issue, that you usually don't devote much time to.
The whole "ethnic identity" argument is a mess anyway. At best it's nostalgia for the past, at worst it MIGHT (and I stress MIGHT before you pitch a fit) be used to justify racism.
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Maybe they're testing Supersoldier Donuts on him.Ape+lust wrote: ↑ So, I guess the plan is to feed him until he explodes?
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Maybe because your pre-judgements - AKA, your prejudices, your unexamined assumptions - are getting in the way?Brive1987 wrote: ↑I didn’t actually understand Steersman’s point, he seemed to be mapping aspects of unique national identity to .... ummm, things .... to suggest they umm .. aren’t important ?Kirbmarc wrote: ↑Brive1987 wrote:That aside, sport, music, foundation stories, language and idiom, civic exercises and shared history et al are as important (or more so) for the vast bulk of law abiding citizens than abstract “western” ideals.When Steersman, he of "population transfers", points out a major flaw in your identitarian right-wing approach, things are quite bad.Steersman wrote:Those differences can't be all that important to the functioning of various societies if they're absent in many of them that happen to share a great many other values.
Typical. There is never a wall of words when you need one.
That some aspects or features of a system make it "unique" hardly makes those aspects essential to the underlying system itself. Somewhat analogously ("the core of cognition"!), snowflakes exist in a great many forms, but a specific form isn't essential to the existence of snowflakes in general.
You may wish to take a course in critical thinking - this oldish post from Sharon Hill might help: American society ignores learning how to think critically – it’s hardly surprising where we ended up. Good luck! ;-)
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The story of the road raging man who assaulted two lesbian women in central Oregon got a fair amount of press coverage. Broke the arm of one and knocked the other unconscious. Not to my surprise, there was a call for pitchforks and torches for this prime example of toxic masculinity. To my surprise, the later oh-maybe-that-narrative-was-not-correct has actually been getting some press.
http://katu.com/news/local/deschutes-co ... -rage-case
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This one is not short but he has gotten better at not repeating himself over and over.InfraRedBucket wrote: ↑I remember the days when TFoot's videos used to last about the time it takes to get to Mars and back.comhcinc wrote: ↑I watched about half of it last night. Kudos to Tfoot. It seems he actually took the time to investigate this. To me gives some of his other videos more credence.
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Hallelujah brother! The times, they are a-changin'. :-) Can full-scale "population transfers" be far behind? ;-)Matt Cavanaugh wrote: ↑ Music to Steerz' ears:
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News ... 528454859/
In any case, I might try passing that along to ACT! For Canada which acts as kind of a clearing house for information and discussion on the perfidy of Islam and "the Muslim question". A fairly comprehensive source with weekly newsletters that everyone might take a gander at, and not just we Canucks.
Of some related interest, the most recent one had a series of stories/links on Tommy Robinson, and that, as discussed in a Post Millennial article by Barbara Kay, the head-honcho there - Valerie Price - had been instrumental in "raising over £20,000 for Robinson’s legal defence".
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I've not watched a load but I think it might be more the non science / anti SJW type videos where he repeatedly drives home the same point.comhcinc wrote: ↑This one is not short but he has gotten better at not repeating himself over and over.InfraRedBucket wrote: ↑I remember the days when TFoot's videos used to last about the time it takes to get to Mars and back.comhcinc wrote: ↑I watched about half of it last night. Kudos to Tfoot. It seems he actually took the time to investigate this. To me gives some of his other videos more credence.
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That's some good news. I have to wonder how much reporting on the ladie's malfeasance would have been done had it occurred in Portland. I have doubts that the Willamette Weekly would have done any follow-up.HelpingHand wrote: ↑ The story of the road raging man who assaulted two lesbian women in central Oregon got a fair amount of press coverage. Broke the arm of one and knocked the other unconscious. Not to my surprise, there was a call for pitchforks and torches for this prime example of toxic masculinity. To my surprise, the later oh-maybe-that-narrative-was-not-correct has actually been getting some press.
http://katu.com/news/local/deschutes-co ... -rage-case
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No pretty much any "debunk" video he does he seems to feel like he needs to say the same thing about 20 times.InfraRedBucket wrote: ↑
I've not watched a load but I think it might be more the non science / anti SJW type videos where he repeatedly drives home the same point.
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Trashy lesbians are the craziest.CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: ↑That's some good news. I have to wonder how much reporting on the ladie's malfeasance would have been done had it occurred in Portland. I have doubts that the Willamette Weekly would have done any follow-up.HelpingHand wrote: ↑ The story of the road raging man who assaulted two lesbian women in central Oregon got a fair amount of press coverage. Broke the arm of one and knocked the other unconscious. Not to my surprise, there was a call for pitchforks and torches for this prime example of toxic masculinity. To my surprise, the later oh-maybe-that-narrative-was-not-correct has actually been getting some press.
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I am finding this back and forth to be both educational and entertaining.
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http://s3.spanglefish.com/s/36691/pictu ... stairs.jpgKirbmarc wrote: ↑Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:21 amsnip
The matter isn't whether people see the world in different ways (which is a banal observation) it's whether those ways are communicable and comparable. I can certainly understand that for someone who's on a wheelchair on a ramp is stairs is a problem. I don't need some secret, esoteric "disabled way of knowing" to understand this, just the ability to put myself in this person's shoes (or chair).
Non-disabled people can see the lack of a ramp and make it so that there is one, if necessary.
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Oh. So your point was as banal as it appeared.Steersman wrote: ↑
That some aspects or features of a system make it "unique" hardly makes those aspects essential to the underlying system itself. Somewhat analogously ("the core of cognition"!), snowflakes exist in a great many forms, but a specific form isn't essential to the existence of snowflakes in general.
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It is difficult to say how we could scientifically falsify or verify this contention (even by the relatively lax standards of political or social science) but this certainly has not been my experience.Brive1987 wrote: ↑Politics (from Greek: πολιτικά, translit. Politiká, meaning "affairs of the cities") is the process of making decisions that apply to members of a group.
I struggle to see how politics can be separated from group identity of one description or another. Including those people espousing ideologies which *must* conform to social or classical liberal thought.
I also struggle to see how you can effectively divorce values from the social identity from which they derive and over which they have sway. So your question is poorly formed: effective values come from cogent identity.
I've known ___________ who profoundly value stability, family, and work ethic.
I've known ___________ who place far more value on near term pleasure, eschewing stability, family, and work.
You can fill in the blanks from memory with loads of group identities (e.g. Hispanic Catholics, WASPs, secular Jews, New Age hippies, Buddhist Asian-Americans) once you've gotten to know enough people.
Maybe I'm mischaracterizing what you're really getting at, though. Which specific values flow from "traditional identity," whatever that means?
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Does this help?d4m10n wrote: ↑It is difficult to say how we could scientifically falsify or verify this contention (even by the relatively lax standards of political or social science) but this certainly has not been my experience.Brive1987 wrote: ↑Politics (from Greek: πολιτικά, translit. Politiká, meaning "affairs of the cities") is the process of making decisions that apply to members of a group.
I struggle to see how politics can be separated from group identity of one description or another. Including those people espousing ideologies which *must* conform to social or classical liberal thought.
I also struggle to see how you can effectively divorce values from the social identity from which they derive and over which they have sway. So your question is poorly formed: effective values come from cogent identity.
I've known ___________ who profoundly value stability, family, and work ethic.
I've known ___________ who place far more value on near term pleasure, eschewing stability, family, and work.
You can fill in the blanks from memory with loads of group identities (e.g. Hispanic Catholics, WASPs, secular Jews, New Age hippies, Buddhist Asian-Americans) once you've gotten to know enough people.
Maybe I'm mischaracterizing what you're really getting at, though. Which specific values flow from "traditional identity," whatever that means?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDouXeHQ7s4
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Now he is going to have an even harder time getting girls to like him.Ape+lust wrote: ↑Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:56 amSo, I guess the plan is to feed him until he explodes?
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The converse to your concerns is also true. Collective cohesion is threatened by rampant individual rights.Kirbmarc wrote: ↑
What Dugin is doing, when talking about individual and group identity, is undermining one of the main principles of the Western democracies, namely individual rights, human rights, as described by the Declaration of Rights of Man.
Dugin is attempting to justify the authoritarian measures of the Putin regime as a "defense of the collective identity": they're not killing or imprisoning critics to violate rights, they're doing it to "defend the collective" (Goebbels would have talked about "Volk", islamists would have talked about the "Ummah").
Textbook authoritarianism.
The problem isn't whether "collective identities" exist or not. They exist, although they're not as monolithic as Dugin (or, incidentally, the SJWs, with their focus on how "identity" is the measure of all things) seems to think: they change over time, they mix (this is what SJWs call "cultural appropriation"), etc.
The point is about WHAT you defend through LAWS. Do you base your political and justice system on individual rights, or do you base them on "collective identities"? This is a VERY important distinction.
If you base your politics and justice system on "collective identities" then it's very easy to justify violations of individual rights: the critics of this governmental policy was "harming the collective", the homosexuals, by not reproducing, are being parasites of the "collective", the mentally ill or "work-shy" are similarly dragging down the "collective", etc. etc.
It's not a surprise that Dugin admires Stalin, or the SS, for their focus on collectivism.
One always surrenders individual rights to the collective. The question is to what extent and to what end. You seem to rush to extremes to prove your point. Which is a lazy approach. See if you can make an argument that doesn’t include the SS and mass murder.
My position is that we need to turn the dial right a few notches to attain a reasonable balance.
In Russia, an argument could be made that your liberal democracy would put a stake through the heart of the collective and result in net negative happiness. They may well benefit from having clicked the dial with more gusto.
The simple fact is the jury remains out on modern day liberal democracy (ie post WWI), especially in Europe. The post Cold War expression of this system may well accomplish what two conflagrations failed to achieve. [Insert the requisite Churchill quote here]
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This is it, in a nutshell. I'm unconvinced there is such a thing as 'gender', and nothing I've read on the subject seems very compelling- it's a spook.Matt Cavanaugh wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:32 pmIf we are to make any traction on this issue, us sane folks need to stick to 'sex' and not conflate it with 'gender.'
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It seems an important question as to whether society doubles down on the notion of sex being constructed socially as part of gender or if we back away from the precipice and embrace non-ideological, real science. Place your bets.DrokkIt wrote: ↑This is it, in a nutshell. I'm unconvinced there is such a thing as 'gender', and nothing I've read on the subject seems very compelling- it's a spook.Matt Cavanaugh wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:32 pmIf we are to make any traction on this issue, us sane folks need to stick to 'sex' and not conflate it with 'gender.'
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LoL. To the shallow, all things appear so; eye of the beholder and all that.Brive1987 wrote: ↑Oh. So your point was as banal as it appeared.Steersman wrote: ↑
That some aspects or features of a system make it "unique" hardly makes those aspects essential to the underlying system itself. Somewhat analogously ("the core of cognition"!), snowflakes exist in a great many forms, but a specific form isn't essential to the existence of snowflakes in general.
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'Gender' just seems to boil down to expectations. Some of those expectations might reflect innate statistical differences between the sexes but a shit-load are just cultural. But now girls who climb trees are being told they're boys and they should bind their breasts. Boys who play with dolls are told they must be girls. And this is because 'sex' has given way to 'gender'.DrokkIt wrote: ↑This is it, in a nutshell. I'm unconvinced there is such a thing as 'gender', and nothing I've read on the subject seems very compelling- it's a spook.Matt Cavanaugh wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:32 pmIf we are to make any traction on this issue, us sane folks need to stick to 'sex' and not conflate it with 'gender.'
I honestly think this might all be down to a euphemism that got out of hand. People started using 'gender' because 'sex' also refers to the act of intercourse. So nobody wants to talk about the 'sex' of their children because that's paedophilia. So kids have 'gender' instead. And 'gender' doesn't match sex exactly because some people don't conform to gender stereotypes. But once you cut gender loose from sex anyone can be whatever the fuck they want to be.
So we have to reclaim the word sex. Remind people that when we are taking about sport we are talking about the sex of the athletes, not how they dress up. That when we are taking about medicine we are talking about how we have different needs according to our sex, not gender. That when we are taking about all women short lists, whether you support them are not, we are talking about something meant to address an imbalance in the sexes, not an imbalance between people who wear trousers or skirts.
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I'd go with the latter of course. Though the question there is what's "real science"?, or which branch of science are we to have first recourse to. And, as I've argued, it seems that taxonomy answers the latter question at least:CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: ↑It seems an important question as to whether society doubles down on the notion of sex being constructed socially as part of gender or if we back away from the precipice and embrace non-ideological, real science. Place your bets.DrokkIt wrote: ↑This is it, in a nutshell. I'm unconvinced there is such a thing as 'gender', and nothing I've read on the subject seems very compelling- it's a spook.Matt Cavanaugh wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:32 pmIf we are to make any traction on this issue, us sane folks need to stick to 'sex' and not conflate it with 'gender.'
Don't think many people quite get the idea that words are in fact "socially constructed", that we have created particular combinations of sounds and letters to refer to "brute facts" which are presumably anything but that.Taxonomy (from Ancient Greek τάξις (taxis), meaning 'arrangement', and -νομία (-nomia), meaning 'method') is the science of defining and naming groups of biological organisms on the basis of shared characteristics. ....
And one might therefore reasonably ask whether it is true or not that people - and most mammals by the look of it - can be divided, reproductively speaking, into three mutually exclusive classes: those who produce ova, those who produce sperm, and those who produce neither. And point out that, by convention, the first are called female, the second are called male, and the third are generally called infertile into which are lumped the prepubescent, the intersex, and "menopausees".
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We really need to jump down the throats of anyone who uses the term gender inappropriately, especially when they use it about animals. It really pisses me off when someobody talks about fish that change gender, etc. No they fucking don't. Fish don't have gender.
Once people accept the biological basis for sex they can call themselves whatever 'gender' they want but it won't give them access to areas and resources allocated according to sex.
Once people accept the biological basis for sex they can call themselves whatever 'gender' they want but it won't give them access to areas and resources allocated according to sex.
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LoL. But indeed. Think the idea of "all women short lists" is a bit "problematic" at best - as affirmative action policies tend to be. But think that nutcases like Lily Madigan should be given short shrift, be told in no uncertain terms to piss off.Shatterface wrote: ↑ <snip>
So we have to reclaim the word sex. Remind people that when we are taking about sport we are talking about the sex of the athletes, not how they dress up. That when we are taking about medicine we are talking about how we have different needs according to our sex, not gender. That when we are taking about all women short lists, whether you support them are not, we are talking about something meant to address an imbalance in the sexes, not an imbalance between people who wear trousers or skirts.
ICYMI, an article by Janice Turner in The Times several months ago, "Labour’s purge of the trans-rights heretics". Article was only free for a short time but here's a link to their Facebook page and a quote or two:
"Catechism" indeed - lysenkoism writ large.Labour’s purge of the trans-rights heretics
janice turner
Corbyn must decide if he’ll sacrifice allies who aren’t prepared to see women’s safety compromised for the sake of dogma
The question of transubstantiation has long divided Christians. Roman Catholics believe that during Holy Communion the wine is literally transformed into the blood of Christ, the bread literally becoming his body. Protestants held that the sacrament was symbolic or metaphorical, and for this were hounded as heretics.
Whenever I write about gender politics I receive angry chants of “trans women are women”. Over and over, like a catechism. So I have thought hard what this means and to what extent I believe it. Because this question, no pun intended, is the modern version of transubstantiation. ...
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Followed them for over a mile and smashed their back window because he got cut off? Her response to that was to break her own arm on his truck? All of these people were out of their fucking minds.HelpingHand wrote: ↑ The story of the road raging man who assaulted two lesbian women in central Oregon got a fair amount of press coverage. Broke the arm of one and knocked the other unconscious. Not to my surprise, there was a call for pitchforks and torches for this prime example of toxic masculinity. To my surprise, the later oh-maybe-that-narrative-was-not-correct has actually been getting some press.
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Since we were talking about Dugin, a guy who admires the SS, I didn't think that the comparison was inappropriate.
In Russia, an argument could be made that your liberal democracy would put a stake through the heart of the collective and result in net negative happiness. They may well benefit from having clicked the dial with more gusto.
What's a few dead journalist, militarism, rampant corruption, the rule of organized crime and people going to jail for criticizing the government when you have the Precious Sacred Collective Traditions?
Also the "happiness" part is questionable.
Yes, immigration is just as dire as the aftermath of two world wars, maybe even worse. :bjarte:The simple fact is the jury remains out on modern day liberal democracy (ie post WWI), especially in Europe. The post Cold War expression of this system may well accomplish what two conflagrations failed to achieve. [Insert the requisite Churchill quote here]
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I think we are seeing exactly the same attitude towards Russia from the Right that we had from the Left when the Soviets were in charge.
Never mind the corruption - look at the ideals! Murders? What murders? We need strong leadership! So what if free speech and individual rights are restricted? Think of the collective!
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Also, let's put the fucking Wall back up. We all know it was there to prevent immigrants entering the Motherland.
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It would also probably bother the fans of Russia's autocracy that it isn't saving them from the Muslim invasion. They have already a 6-10% muslim population and an estimated 10 million illegal immigrants from mostly muslim ex-Soviet republics. There is a concern in Russia that the Central Asian stans could go through an Arab spring type of political collapse and the flood of refugees ramping up to a much larger scale.Shatterface wrote: ↑I think we are seeing exactly the same attitude towards Russia from the Right that we had from the Left when the Soviets were in charge.
Never mind the corruption - look at the ideals! Murders? What murders? We need strong leadership! So what if free speech and individual rights are restricted? Think of the collective!
Add to that the muslim population in Russia also has a higher fertility rate than the "real" Russians, and it appears that having a right wing authoritarian kleptocracy hasn't saved them from the looming white genocide.
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'gender' is a neologism of dubious utility, coined by John Money, the Josef Mengele of sexology, to describe a putative function of the human -- and only human -- mind for which there is no concrete evidence and which, were it to exist, in 99.7% of humans and 100% of animals would be entirely superfluous, providing zero fitness value.DrokkIt wrote: ↑This is it, in a nutshell. I'm unconvinced there is such a thing as 'gender', and nothing I've read on the subject seems very compelling- it's a spook.Matt Cavanaugh wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:32 pmIf we are to make any traction on this issue, us sane folks need to stick to 'sex' and not conflate it with 'gender.'
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Which was a more functional society pre and post dictator - Libya, Iraqi, Syria ....Shatterface wrote: ↑Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:05 pmI think we are seeing exactly the same attitude towards Russia from the Right that we had from the Left when the Soviets were in charge.
Never mind the corruption - look at the ideals! Murders? What murders? We need strong leadership! So what if free speech and individual rights are restricted? Think of the collective!
And these were bastards that imposed more than the traditional measures of euro-autocratic rule.
Nice polite Westminster democracy driving nice neat first world solutions in clever, astute and maturely aligned societies aren’t always a thing.
You think Russia is yearning for and well placed for Afghan level democracy? That would be a great outcome? You think that’s aligned to its Tsarist, Communistic, hard-man consciousness?
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St. Paul? How far is that from PZ's neck of the woods?
I reckon this raccoon caught the scent of PZ, and "zoomed" 23 floors up this skyscrape. Don't blame it! :)
I reckon this raccoon caught the scent of PZ, and "zoomed" 23 floors up this skyscrape. Don't blame it! :)
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Oh, and I want to see Eric Clanton behind bars. For a long time. Sobbing.
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Do you think that there is a functional democracy in Afganistan? Or in Libya, Iraq or Syria? Do you want to know why? (Hint: it has something to do with "traditional religious values" of a specific religion which hasn't undergone a process of secularization).Brive1987 wrote: ↑Which was a more functional society pre and post dictator - Libya, Iraqi, Syria ....Shatterface wrote: ↑Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:05 pmI think we are seeing exactly the same attitude towards Russia from the Right that we had from the Left when the Soviets were in charge.
Never mind the corruption - look at the ideals! Murders? What murders? We need strong leadership! So what if free speech and individual rights are restricted? Think of the collective!
And these were bastards that imposed more than the traditional measures of euro-autocratic rule.
Nice polite Westminster democracy driving nice neat first world solutions in clever, astute and maturely aligned societies aren’t always a thing.
You think Russia is yearning for and well placed for Afghan level democracy? That would be a great outcome? You think that’s aligned to its Tsarist, Communistic, hard-man consciousness?
Also do you really yearn to turn Australia into an "euro-autocracy", just to keep the Indians and the Chinese out of the country?
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It's insane to me how certain people rightly oppose islamic theocracy but then pine for the Good Old Days of Traditional Christianity. This idea is just as dumb as the Regressive Leftists who whine about how Christianity is bigoted but islam is Feminist and Intersectional.
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I think it's sweet how the lesbian couple took turns pretending to be run over.HelpingHand wrote: ↑ The story of the road raging man who assaulted two lesbian women in central Oregon got a fair amount of press coverage. Broke the arm of one and knocked the other unconscious. Not to my surprise, there was a call for pitchforks and torches for this prime example of toxic masculinity. To my surprise, the later oh-maybe-that-narrative-was-not-correct has actually been getting some press.
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Failure demonstrates the need to evolve a fit for purpose compact. Similar issues in Africa I guess, and pretty anywhere you drop a new system into a diverse and differently aligned culture. You didn’t address whether western lib democracy would be a panacea in Russia.Kirbmarc wrote: ↑
Do you think that there is a functional democracy in Afganistan? Or in Libya, Iraq or Syria? Do you want to know why? (Hint: it has something to do with "traditional religious values" of a specific religion which hasn't undergone a process of secularization).
Also do you really yearn to turn Australia into an "euro-autocracy", just to keep the Indians and the Chinese out of the country?
Nice try with the euro-autocracy. I was referencing the current Russian model. Our culturally aligned constitutional monarchy is getting along quite nicely. If only the Liberals would be more trad conservative than neo-lib.
I don’t know why you lack the imagination to conceive of a new political balance; one drawing on traditional values but without necessarily replacing all the Mazdas with FJ Holdens. Maybe it’s a Swiss thing.
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Some SSRIs, especially paroxetine/Paxil, cause weight gain, and mirtazepine/Remeron can increase appetite to the point where one eats until in pain, but the hunger remains. Major tranqillisers - phenothiazines (eg chlorpromazine), butyrophenones (eg haloperidol) and especially the atypicals (risperidone, quetiapine and olanzepine) also cause weight gain through increased appetite and lethargy, to the point where they cause type 2 diabetes, hyperlipidemia, hypertension and stroke and certainly shorten life expectancy. Evil drugs, and only to be used where clearly necessary. Sadly, we seem to be using vast amounts of them on naughty children, demented seniors and as a 'liquid cosh' in the prison system. The guy above is probably on both an SSRI and an atypical given his circumstances.ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote: ↑Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:31 amI think psychiatric meds can cause bloating like this, though screwtape or similar would be a more reliable source of info.Ape+lust wrote: ↑ So, I guess the plan is to feed him until he explodes?
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I didn't want to deal with nationalpost's adblock policy, so found this on Toronto Sun: http://torontosun.com/news/national/lau ... ech-abusesscrewtape wrote: ↑ Lindsay Shepherd sues WLU.
She has realised they have made her unemployable. I hope she wins.
I rfemember Peterson saw this coming way back in the first few days when the two talked, and he pretty much offered to take her into his university program for further academic pursuits if/when such blackballing were to happen ... ...
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Russia had a strong, authoritarian collective society for most of the last century. It failed.Brive1987 wrote: ↑Failure demonstrates the need to evolve a fit for purpose compact. Similar issues in Africa I guess, and pretty anywhere you drop a new system into a diverse and differently aligned culture. You didn’t address whether western lib democracy would be a panacea in Russia.Kirbmarc wrote: ↑
Do you think that there is a functional democracy in Afganistan? Or in Libya, Iraq or Syria? Do you want to know why? (Hint: it has something to do with "traditional religious values" of a specific religion which hasn't undergone a process of secularization).
Also do you really yearn to turn Australia into an "euro-autocracy", just to keep the Indians and the Chinese out of the country?
Nice try with the euro-autocracy. I was referencing the current Russian model. Our culturally aligned constitutional monarchy is getting along quite nicely. If only the Liberals would be more trad conservative than neo-lib.
I don’t know why you lack the imagination to conceive of a new political balance; one drawing on traditional values but without necessarily replacing all the Mazdas with FJ Holdens. Maybe it’s a Swiss thing.
It had one under the Tzars which failed before that. I wouldn't bet on the current gangsterocracy outlasting the decadent individualist democratic pansy West either.
The West has been falling since the Roman Empire collapsed. We're still here.
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I think Jordan Peterson has a really valid point here, that is really hard to understand and get across.Kirbmarc wrote: ↑Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:49 pmIt's insane to me how certain people rightly oppose islamic theocracy but then pine for the Good Old Days of Traditional Christianity. This idea is just as dumb as the Regressive Leftists who whine about how Christianity is bigoted but islam is Feminist and Intersectional.
It is undeniable that the West is founded on many Ancient Greek and Christian ideas. Many of the ways we in the West understand the mind and body, for example, are based on the discussions the ancient Greeks had about it over 2000 years ago. (This is on my mind because it came up in an acting class I’m taking).
We’ve been doing a number of social experiments in the West, largely driven by technology that are undermining these foundations. Immigration and the birth control pill are just two examples.
There’s clearly problems arising out of these experiments. The best analogy I can think of is the automobile. That solved a real problem with horse shit and brought numerous other improvements. However, how long did it take us to notice the problem of billions of internal combustion engines pumping out carbon dioxide? Have we even managed to address that problem in any coherent way? All these experiments we’re running could be social disasters equal to or worse than climate change is to the environment.
The (original) progressive position, fundamentally, is that technology will always be able to solve our problems. I’m not sure that’s true. It is certainly possibly that we, as humans, just aren’t capable of living with certain technologies. A.I. may be one of those, that Sam Harris worries about a lot.
Another solution may be something equivalent to the way the Amish approach technology. It isn’t that they completely shun things like the telephone, but that they choose not to have them in their houses. They’ll have a communal one, because the telephone is useful, but they believe it takes something away from family life.
As the Greek and Christian ideas are our foundation, reinforcing them may be another solution to the instability caused by our social experiments. Unmooring ourselves completely from our foundations seems like a recipe for disaster. What the regressive left types are doing is even worse; they are unmooring society deliberately with the explicit goal of destroying it, largely because they are completely unaware of historical attempts to do so that have ended in bloodshed.
I’m not even sure I’ve articulated this idea properly. This idea is right at the limits of my grasp, which is a fairly novel experience for me.
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It's quite possible that Peterson will end up being more of a divider than a uniter.
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I think a lot of people are listening to him because they think that what he says is more grounded in reality than the crazy fantasies peddled by others of 'white privilege', '57 genders' , 'patriarchy', 'intersectionalism' etc People do want to understand the world they live in and they think Peterson does
It is a strange world where somebody who talks about Jungian archetypes is considered more reality-based than many articles we read in the New York Times or Washington Post.
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It won’t fall.
Take the Western version of the UK. One day you will look for it and, I’ll be buggered, it just won’t be there anymore.
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I know.
I too hate people that play games with the Y axis.
I too hate people that play games with the Y axis.
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Is it really true that there are a lot of Muslims in Russia?free thoughtpolice wrote: ↑ It would also probably bother the fans of Russia's autocracy that it isn't saving them from the Muslim invasion. They have already a 6-10% muslim population and an estimated 10 million illegal immigrants from mostly muslim ex-Soviet republics. There is a concern in Russia that the Central Asian stans could go through an Arab spring type of political collapse and the flood of refugees ramping up to a much larger scale.
Add to that the muslim population in Russia also has a higher fertility rate than the "real" Russians, and it appears that having a right wing authoritarian kleptocracy hasn't saved them from the looming white genocide.
Checks news reports.....
Yes, it is true!
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/04/euro ... index.html
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Something tells me there'll be a few less "moderate" enemies muslims following this event:
Bullets tend to cause apostasy... :lol:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-neth ... SKBN1J81ZNAMSTERDAM (Reuters) - The Freedom Party of Dutch anti-Islam politician Geert Wilders will hold a competition of cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammad, it said on Tuesday.
Bullets tend to cause apostasy... :lol:
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At least their trains run on time.free thoughtpolice wrote: ↑
It would also probably bother the fans of Russia's autocracy that it isn't saving them from the Muslim invasion. They have already a 6-10% muslim population and an estimated 10 million illegal immigrants from mostly muslim ex-Soviet republics. There is a concern in Russia that the Central Asian stans could go through an Arab spring type of political collapse and the flood of refugees ramping up to a much larger scale.
Add to that the muslim population in Russia also has a higher fertility rate than the "real" Russians, and it appears that having a right wing authoritarian kleptocracy hasn't saved them from the looming white genocide.