...and tonights lame attempt at humor is bought to you by:
http://i.imgur.com/GSKlL.jpg
They must be so much fun at parties. :roll:Gumby wrote:I hadn't actually clicked over to that the first time this link was shared here, so thanks for the lulz. That's some pretty selfish juvenile shit.rayshul wrote: Meanwhile I know this link has appeared before but my goodness it's worth it to read again. It's a beautiful fucking thing. A+ refusing to help woman with project about sexism.
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3370
Oooh... nicely done!Jan Steen wrote:http://i.imgur.com/Wm4lg.jpg
http://cityofbyroncity.files.wordpress. ... r3i0q9.jpgGuest wrote:They must be so much fun at parties. :roll:Gumby wrote:I hadn't actually clicked over to that the first time this link was shared here, so thanks for the lulz. That's some pretty selfish juvenile shit.rayshul wrote: Meanwhile I know this link has appeared before but my goodness it's worth it to read again. It's a beautiful fucking thing. A+ refusing to help woman with project about sexism.
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3370
The money was donated by people interested in the project. IMHO, they haven't necessarily been ripped off. The GravityLight is not excluded by physics, unless you make incorrect assumptions about lighting requirements.Eucliwood wrote:Assuming it's correct, LOL @ PZ Myers!!!! a walking embarrassment it is. (From now on, they're all its to me. I'm just so angry, and calling lowly people "it" calms me down and helps me think of them as newborns or subhumans)EdgePenguin wrote:I've blogged a summary of the business with PZ Myers and the GravityLight (lumengate?)
http://edgepenguin.com/content/enlightenment.html
If I've got anything wrong I'd appreciate it pointing out.
However, I really hope that 250k was their own and not taken out of some sort of public fund. Not that it's not enlightening and all, but it doesn't justify taking away that much money.
Of course, it would never occur to these lazy slacktivist bastards to say "Oh, you are compiling stories on cisgender binary equality? That's a great idea. I love cherry-picking from self-selected samples too. I'll do one including genderqueers. Let's compare notes"Guest wrote:They must be so much fun at parties. :roll:Gumby wrote:I hadn't actually clicked over to that the first time this link was shared here, so thanks for the lulz. That's some pretty selfish juvenile shit.rayshul wrote: Meanwhile I know this link has appeared before but my goodness it's worth it to read again. It's a beautiful fucking thing. A+ refusing to help woman with project about sexism.
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3370
Because missy listens, and she's in the kitchen making me some pie.AnonymousCowherd wrote:Because "pie-chart" starts with the same first letter as *enis. FACT, not theory!comslave wrote:
I'll grant this isn't a scientific poll, but someone would need to explain to me the part of patriarchy theory that would keep female atheists from answering it.
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/ ... 398354.jpgMykeru wrote:
Of course, it would never occur to these lazy slacktivist bastards to say "Oh, you are compiling stories on cisgender binary equality? That's a great idea. I love cherry-picking from self-selected samples too. I'll do one including genderqueers. Let's compare notes"
Oh no, a whole lot easier to say a portrait sucks because it's not of them in the most head-up-the-butthurt ass way.
Didn't mean to imply that it was.EdgePenguin wrote:The money was donated by people interested in the project. IMHO, they haven't necessarily been ripped off. The GravityLight is not excluded by physics, unless you make incorrect assumptions about lighting requirements.Eucliwood wrote:Assuming it's correct, LOL @ PZ Myers!!!! a walking embarrassment it is. (From now on, they're all its to me. I'm just so angry, and calling lowly people "it" calms me down and helps me think of them as newborns or subhumans)EdgePenguin wrote:I've blogged a summary of the business with PZ Myers and the GravityLight (lumengate?)
http://edgepenguin.com/content/enlightenment.html
If I've got anything wrong I'd appreciate it pointing out.
However, I really hope that 250k was their own and not taken out of some sort of public fund. Not that it's not enlightening and all, but it doesn't justify taking away that much money.
HAHAAHAA OH SHIT THATS GREAT.Jan Steen wrote:http://i.imgur.com/Wm4lg.jpg
Oh, wow. Beautiful bullshit. What thread did you post your concerns in? I want to see what those fuckers have to say.Oneiros666 wrote:Glorious, glorious. Finally some sane fucking people.
I tried to join the Atheism+ forum. Why? Because I have seen the YouTube drama regarding these people and I wanted to see for myself if things were as bad as most of the YT vids criticising claimed. Boy oh boy was my initial impression (from YT) not only verified, I am now pissed off and feel a nice, burning hatred towards Atheism+.
Here is what happened:
I lurked on their forum for a day. Reading thread after thread concerning all topics except atheism. Oh, they have a little section called atheism, but it's almost inactive and mostly dedicated to bashing Dawkins and Hitchens. That's right, bashing the very people who have made atheism great in the 21st century West. But, by far, the most activity is seen on their "Atheism Plus" section, dealing with what these people actually want to deal with: Feminism and socialism. There are so many fucked up threads in there dealing with made- up problems it's laughable. Here is an example:
They spent several pages of discussion on which letters should come first when using the GLBT acronym. Why? Because putting 'G' first (Gay) somehow implied that being a gay man was better than being a lesbian. Seriously, page after page of discussion.
They also have a long FAQ section where you are basically told that unless you are there to agree with the leaders' opinion and the virtues of radical feminism; you can fuck off. Great, innit? But I thought I couldn't just leave. No, they are doing too much harm to the cause of atheism and secularism. Had they called their movement 'Moral Atheism' or 'Progressive Atheists' or something like that, I wouldn't have bothered as much. But they don't call it that and they insist on hijacking the entire atheist community (for verification of this: Rebecca Watson's campaign to ban her critics from attending TAM). So I wrote a lengthy critique of Atheism + where I politely (yes, politetly) told them my concerns regarding what they are doing. The result?
http://i.imgur.com/qCSXH.png
I fucking hate Rebecca Watson, Greta Christina, PZ Myers, Melody Hensley and all the rest of those fuckers. They are ruining atheism for the rest of us and I sincerely hope that enough rational people can stand up to those fuckers and make them seize and desist.
Have a good new years and I leave you with this cool image I stole from the awesome MykeruMedia:
http://i.imgur.com/5kZ7k.png
Well, hi! But let's not go overboard. I'm sure some of us are the same wacky, zany funsters we always were, but there are a few genuine crazies around the place. You'll spot them. Just don't make eye contact.Oneiros666 wrote:Glorious, glorious. Finally some sane fucking people.
Welcome, Oneiros666. Yours is not an atypical story here. Many of us, including myself, came here to check the Pit out after dissatisfaction with A+ or FTB.Oneiros666 wrote:So I wrote a lengthy critique of Atheism + where I politely (yes, politetly) told them my concerns regarding what they are doing.
Do you have a link to this thread? I have been trying to find it for inclusion in the Phawrongula Wiki but have been unsuccessful. My Googlefu seems to be lacking in this area.Oneiros666 wrote:They spent several pages of discussion on which letters should come first when using the GLBT acronym. Why? Because putting 'G' first (Gay) somehow implied that being a gay man was better than being a lesbian. Seriously, page after page of discussion.
I do find amusement in the fact they give each new member a "link basket" filled with 100s of pages of crap you are supposed to read before posting.They also have a long FAQ section where you are basically told that unless you are there to agree with the leaders' opinion and the virtues of radical feminism; you can fuck off.
Mykeru is awesome, I agree. And so would he.Have a good new years and I leave you with this cool image I stole from the awesome MykeruMedia:
The 132nd word should be "They"EdgePenguin wrote:I've blogged a summary of the business with PZ Myers and the GravityLight (lumengate?)
http://edgepenguin.com/content/enlightenment.html
If I've got anything wrong I'd appreciate it pointing out.
I made a post about it so that people could see easily what happened... I got the thread in which the victim blaming occurred deleted (I'm sure the mod was happy to hide that shit...) because I didn't want more insane replies to my experience.cunt wrote:Eucliwood, Oneiros666
Got links to these threads?
I did some calculations with a commercially available off the shelf LED (COTS)EdgePenguin wrote:I've blogged a summary of the business with PZ Myers and the GravityLight (lumengate?)
http://edgepenguin.com/content/enlightenment.html
If I've got anything wrong I'd appreciate it pointing out.
By my estimate Hensley would fail on at least two of the three criteria to be her own intern.
They weren't led astray, they simple didn't bother to fully investigate the problem. They were exercising lightbulb privilege :)Dilurk wrote:I did some calculations with a commercially available off the shelf LED (COTS)EdgePenguin wrote:I've blogged a summary of the business with PZ Myers and the GravityLight (lumengate?)
http://edgepenguin.com/content/enlightenment.html
If I've got anything wrong I'd appreciate it pointing out.
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=73&p=40678#p40678
not sure you saw this. The rough figure of 200J sounds right, the rest of PZs argument was nonsense. We are talking as you say, about a kerosene light equivalent not western standards. Key chain light brightness would be quite doable with a gravity light. To be charitable to PZ, which he is obviously unable of being, he and sustainability.autodesk were led astray by the earlier award for a gravity lamp, which is not what this new version is doing.
1) DonKaneGate!Skep tickle wrote: 1) Women are more religious than men: http://www.pewforum.org/The-Stronger-Se ... aking.aspx
2007 study, in the US. 7-17 percentage point gap between women & men on each of the religiosity questions they asked (with women higher than men).
Besides which,
2) Women & men use their time differently online: (http://mashable.com/2010/07/28/women-on-the-web/
- Women are more likely to spend their online time on social networking than men
- Women spend more time shopping online and are more likely to make purchases (apparel, accessories, books, music, and toys)
I'm not rising to this :Pmutleyeng wrote:The 132nd word should be "They"EdgePenguin wrote:I've blogged a summary of the business with PZ Myers and the GravityLight (lumengate?)
http://edgepenguin.com/content/enlightenment.html
If I've got anything wrong I'd appreciate it pointing out.
Is this in a members-only section? When I follow the links from your blog I get told I need to log in. I've tried registering an account there, but never recieved the confirmation email. Maybe I shouldn't have used an anagram of 'slymepit' as my username... I just didn't think the mods were that smart.Eucliwood (holy crap, a relevant post!) wrote:I made a post about it so that people could see easily what happened... I got the thread in which the victim blaming occurred deleted (I'm sure the mod was happy to hide that shit...) because I didn't want more insane replies to my experience.
http://apintrom.blogspot.com/2012/12/pe ... mplus.html
Has links to what happened and shit.
Gumby wrote:Here's Oneiros666's post that earned the permaban.
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... 063#p60063
He/she seems pretty reasonable to me. That was probably the problem.
LOL did he seriously cross out the verb form of "bitch"??? And call it a gender slur? BITCHING AND MOANING. A COMMONLY ACCEPTED PHRASE. Even amongst people that don't approve of "bitch" being used as a name-call. What a lunatic.Submor wrote:when Ibitch(*Mod Note: Casual gendered slur. Hmm. Gosh folks, why is this atheism+ thing needed again? I just cannot tell...) and moan: I do something about it.
In your prediction of what they'd say, are you implying that socialism is /bad/, or just saying that christians who don't like it will have an excuse to say that atheism leads to socialism?Oneiros666 wrote: It's like we said all along, atheism leads to socialism.
Once it gets to a certain level, it's all about self interest. In a big organisation, you hire the loudest mouth, give them a nice office and a budget and let them hire any crazy they want, but you make it clear that their interests and the company's/administration's interests are closely related. The smart ones take the hint and play the game. You get to say you are proudly dealing with all that Xism shit, and you get to dump any issues involving that shit on the office you created. This works especially well in government, where the idea is to take a problem down a quiet alley and strangle it, rather than solve it. I have seen whole government offices created for this reason and never met one femocrat who led them who wasn't completely "pragmatic" (as Jim Hacker might say) about her job. The underlings were often True Believers, but they rarely seemed to work out that the people constraining them were there so-called feminist bosses who, as feminist heros, were beyond criticism (unless you were a fascist. How do you know you're a fascist? You criticise... etc etc). If they did work out the game, they were well on the way to playing it themselves.Za-zen wrote:On a more serious note, as an employer, hensley would scare the shit out of me. Someone who sees rape, sexism, and harrasment under every toilet seat is a major liability.
Oh, okay. Well just login with the username "Unavailable" and use the password "daegfaerch". But don't post on that account, or you'll get it banned... unless it already is banned. Shoot. I did post one post with it. But yeah, that's only so people can view bullshit.Darren wrote:Is this in a members-only section? When I follow the links from your blog I get told I need to log in. I've tried registering an account there, but never recieved the confirmation email. Maybe I shouldn't have used an anagram of 'slymepit' as my username... I just didn't think the mods were that smart.Eucliwood (holy crap, a relevant post!) wrote:I made a post about it so that people could see easily what happened... I got the thread in which the victim blaming occurred deleted (I'm sure the mod was happy to hide that shit...) because I didn't want more insane replies to my experience.
http://apintrom.blogspot.com/2012/12/pe ... mplus.html
Has links to what happened and shit.
Thanks for sharing.
You are an unperson. Why would they respond to someone who no longer exists?tfoot wrote:okay, so its over 48 hrs since I put the video up, ~50k views and a 95 % approval rating,
and yet this is greeted by complete silence from baboon central. That's unprecedented!
Do they realize that they have been damned by their own words and the best thing they can do is ignore it and hope no one sees their stupidity/ hypocrisy?
Or are they saving it up for some devastating ad hominim 'we must drive TF out of the community like a pariah' type shit? FYI the last time they plotted as a group to do that... where they all conspired to release their blogs at the same time to be as devastating as possible, it resulted in me losing ~300 out of 150 000 subscribers. Wow, that blogging network is soooo powerfully influential!
Hmmm, kobolds, the one creature who everyone can laugh at without fear of reprisal!
http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivat ... 486800.jpg
I Blame The Lumenarchy.EdgePenguin wrote: They weren't led astray, they simple didn't bother to fully investigate the problem. They were exercising lightbulb privilege :)
To be led astray, someone has to feed you false information. Nobody did that here - the people in question simply saw an opportunity to preen their intellectual feathers and leapt on it without doing their homework.
I figure that either:tfoot wrote:okay, so its over 48 hrs since I put the video up, ~50k views and a 95 % approval rating,
and yet this is greeted by complete silence from baboon central. That's unprecedented!
I consider this to be the most likely explanation. Occams razor and all that shit.Do they realize that they have been damned by their own words and the best thing they can do is ignore it and hope no one sees their stupidity/ hypocrisy?
I'm going with "don't give it oxygen and it will go away". It will be interesting to see who cracks first - someone will.tfoot wrote:okay, so its over 48 hrs since I put the video up, ~50k views and a 95 % approval rating,
and yet this is greeted by complete silence from baboon central. That's unprecedented!
Do they realize that they have been damned by their own words and the best thing they can do is ignore it and hope no one sees their stupidity/ hypocrisy?
Or are they saving it up for some devastating ad hominim 'we must drive TF out of the community like a pariah' type shit? FYI the last time they plotted as a group to do that... where they all conspired to release their blogs at the same time to be as devastating as possible, it resulted in me losing ~300 out of 150 000 subscribers. Wow, that blogging network is soooo powerfully influential!
Hmmm, kobolds, the one creature who everyone can laugh at without fear of reprisal!
http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivat ... 486800.jpg
NEW MALE STUDIES: AN INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL ~ ISSN 1839-7816 ~ VOL. 1, ISSUE 1, 2012, PP. 19-30Academe in the West, has, in certain of its disciplines, betrayed
a sacred trust. It has acquiesced to a bullying pseudo-intellectual, self-appointed gender
commentariat. It has permitted ideology to have ascendancy over intellectual integrity,
creating a legacy of gender adversarialism, a jaundiced and disintegrative
perspective of psychosocial reality, and a dogmatic fundamentalism unaccommodating
of any potential disconfirmation.
Hehe. Hi there :)Eucliwood wrote:Gumby wrote:Here's Oneiros666's post that earned the permaban.
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... 063#p60063
He/she seems pretty reasonable to me. That was probably the problem.LOL did he seriously cross out the verb form of "bitch"??? And call it a gender slur? BITCHING AND MOANING. A COMMONLY ACCEPTED PHRASE. Even amongst people that don't approve of "bitch" being used as a name-call. What a lunatic.Submor wrote:when Ibitch(*Mod Note: Casual gendered slur. Hmm. Gosh folks, why is this atheism+ thing needed again? I just cannot tell...) and moan: I do something about it.
In your prediction of what they'd say, are you implying that socialism is /bad/, or just saying that christians who don't like it will have an excuse to say that atheism leads to socialism?Oneiros666 wrote: It's like we said all along, atheism leads to socialism.
They certainly are attempting to hijack atheism though... with some radfemtheist bullshit. They should call themselves Femtheist+. The + can stand for additional assholery.
And you say you're anti-socialist... well, if you are ANTI socialist going to a socialist board... of course you'll be banned. I would completely agree with the ban if it was just about the fact that you called yourself anti-socialist. I'm disappointed to say that I actually agree with a ban that A+ did. Not for all the reasons they did it, but still, nonetheless.
The formatting of that essay may be scientific-ish, but the language is anything but. None of the astrophysics papers I read refer to people who have an opposing viewpoint as 'bullying psuedo-intellectual self appointed X commentariat'. The most inflammatory thing I've read in astrophysics so far is "X chose to ignore this data", which was written in anger during the height of the cusp-core debate. Maybe I'm not looking at sufficiently foul-mouthed journals.AndrewV69 wrote:According to this guy, PeeZuss Christ is everywhere!
Towards an Integrated Perspective on Gender, Masculinity, and Manhood
JOHN A. ASHFIELD, PHD
http://newmalestudies.com/OJS/index.php ... File/15/10#NEW MALE STUDIES: AN INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL ~ ISSN 1839-7816 ~ VOL. 1, ISSUE 1, 2012, PP. 19-30Academe in the West, has, in certain of its disciplines, betrayed
a sacred trust. It has acquiesced to a bullying pseudo-intellectual, self-appointed gender
commentariat. It has permitted ideology to have ascendancy over intellectual integrity,
creating a legacy of gender adversarialism, a jaundiced and disintegrative
perspective of psychosocial reality, and a dogmatic fundamentalism unaccommodating
of any potential disconfirmation.
© 2012 AUSTRALIAN INSTITUTE OF MALE HEALTH AND STUDIES.
h/t AVfM
Yeah, I critiqued them on the first time there too. I don't excuse them for dismissing the other critique, but I think it's fine to ban someone if they go in saying "well, this board is socialist, and I'm anti socialist." No point in engaging in debate about a board's entire purpose, (the purpose even when you strip it of the radicalness and extremism). That board grosses me out, but so does anti-socialism. It's like being anti-kittensandrainbows. What the hell, dude?Oneiros666 wrote:Hehe. Hi there :)Eucliwood wrote:Gumby wrote:Here's Oneiros666's post that earned the permaban.
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... 063#p60063
He/she seems pretty reasonable to me. That was probably the problem.LOL did he seriously cross out the verb form of "bitch"??? And call it a gender slur? BITCHING AND MOANING. A COMMONLY ACCEPTED PHRASE. Even amongst people that don't approve of "bitch" being used as a name-call. What a lunatic.Submor wrote:when Ibitch(*Mod Note: Casual gendered slur. Hmm. Gosh folks, why is this atheism+ thing needed again? I just cannot tell...) and moan: I do something about it.
In your prediction of what they'd say, are you implying that socialism is /bad/, or just saying that christians who don't like it will have an excuse to say that atheism leads to socialism?Oneiros666 wrote: It's like we said all along, atheism leads to socialism.
They certainly are attempting to hijack atheism though... with some radfemtheist bullshit. They should call themselves Femtheist+. The + can stand for additional assholery.
And you say you're anti-socialist... well, if you are ANTI socialist going to a socialist board... of course you'll be banned. I would completely agree with the ban if it was just about the fact that you called yourself anti-socialist. I'm disappointed to say that I actually agree with a ban that A+ did. Not for all the reasons they did it, but still, nonetheless.
I didn't notice that my little critique was actually posted (I only got the permaban message when I opened A+, and frankly I have had enough of reading that shitty shit they have there).
Okay, so a few things you bring up:
Yes, she crossed out the word 'bitch'. It's amazing how fucked up these cunts are. And I mean that in the most derogatory anti-women way possible =P
I didn't say that atheism leads to socialism. I said that Republicans/Christians/Apologists/etc would use that argument with double force now that A+ tries to link atheism to socialist isssues. My whole point is that atheism is not about socialism. Or capitalism. Or squirrels. Or bagels. It is about a disbelief in god(s). End of fucking story.
And I wasn't surprised about being banned. Nope, I even started my critique with it as I had read enough to know that my critique would probably lead to bannage. I am, as my dear old folks used to say, not angry; merely disappointed.
Here is why I am disappointed with them: They (the AtheismPlus folks) do not wish to engage in critique. They try to label critique as 'trolling'. It is not. Trolling is someone posting provocative shit just to be provocative. That was not my intention. My intention was to be vocal about my concerns about AtheismPlus. I was very honest about my own standpoint, what I believe and what I think. They claim my points have been addressed before, but they haven't. Not to any level of satisfaction anywhere anyhoo. For example: The name. How can they not understand that their hijacking of the term atheism is fucking provocative? It is beyond me.
Anyhoo, thanks for all the replies :) I am starting to really dig this place.
Good, clear piece, but calling Simon Singh a 'libel defendant' could be read the wrong way (as if he was prone to libel people). The libel trial was an attempt by a bunch of chiropractors to silence him, as you know.EdgePenguin wrote:I've blogged a summary of the business with PZ Myers and the GravityLight (lumengate?)
http://edgepenguin.com/content/enlightenment.html
If I've got anything wrong I'd appreciate it pointing out.
I'm confused how you got started on socialism. What the fuck has Atheism+ got to do with socialism? At one point between screaming at people for tone trolling and swinging the ban hammer and anybody who disagrees with them are they going to even advocate (let alone work towards in any real sense) securing control of the means of production for the masses? You think even the most shameful, unreformed Socialist Worker trot would be seen dead with these clowns?Oneiros666 wrote:
*snip*
I didn't say that atheism leads to socialism. I said that Republicans/Christians/Apologists/etc would use that argument with double force now that A+ tries to link atheism to socialist isssues. My whole point is that atheism is not about socialism. Or capitalism. Or squirrels. Or bagels. It is about a disbelief in god(s). End of fucking story.
ho hum...you can lead a horse to water.....EdgePenguin wrote:I'm not rising to this :Pmutleyeng wrote:The 132nd word should be "They"EdgePenguin wrote:I've blogged a summary of the business with PZ Myers and the GravityLight (lumengate?)
http://edgepenguin.com/content/enlightenment.html
If I've got anything wrong I'd appreciate it pointing out.
No intent to suggest that at all. I can't think of any better way of saying "that guy who rightfully won a libel case against him bought by a bunch of ignorant litigious quacks" though.Jan Steen wrote:Good, clear piece, but calling Simon Singh a 'libel defendant' could be read the wrong way (as if he was prone to libel people). The libel trial was an attempt by a bunch of chiropractors to silence him, as you know.EdgePenguin wrote:I've blogged a summary of the business with PZ Myers and the GravityLight (lumengate?)
http://edgepenguin.com/content/enlightenment.html
If I've got anything wrong I'd appreciate it pointing out.
Hmm, its changed. Who are you on there btw?mutleyeng wrote:ho hum...you can lead a horse to water.....EdgePenguin wrote:I'm not rising to this :Pmutleyeng wrote:The 132nd word should be "They"EdgePenguin wrote:I've blogged a summary of the business with PZ Myers and the GravityLight (lumengate?)
http://edgepenguin.com/content/enlightenment.html
If I've got anything wrong I'd appreciate it pointing out.
seriously though, the idea behind you blog was a nice idea.
You should see if you can rekindle your google plus interest. Now they have communities, you can pimp your work to a wider audience, and theoretical astrophysics is pretty popular interest over there.
Jesus Christ...Gumby wrote:Here's Oneiros666's post that earned the permaban.
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... 063#p60063
He/she seems pretty reasonable to me. That was probably the problem.
Yea, it's not.. I'm surprised they didn't twist what he said into something totally misogynistic and stupid like they did with me. Could've been worse.KacyRay wrote:Jesus Christ...Gumby wrote:Here's Oneiros666's post that earned the permaban.
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... 063#p60063
He/she seems pretty reasonable to me. That was probably the problem.
Just goes to show, you can't fix stupid. You can only hand them bingo cards.
He was perfectly reasonable. He made a legitimate case. Clearly that's not allowed at A+.
Hello again!Eucliwood wrote:Oneiros666 wrote:Eucliwood wrote:Gumby wrote:That board grosses me out, but so does anti-socialism. It's like being anti-kittensandrainbows. What the hell, dude?
EdgePenguin wrote: Hmm, its changed. Who are you on there btw?
Oh okay. Well, don't use the term "anti socialist" everywhere cos Ive never seen that definition of anti socialism in my life. As for progressive tax... are you saying you're vehemently against taxing people for their wealth? It certainly helped here, with clinton... and then when bush wanted that shit undone....Oneiros666 wrote:Hello again!Eucliwood wrote:Oneiros666 wrote:Eucliwood wrote:Gumby wrote:That board grosses me out, but so does anti-socialism. It's like being anti-kittensandrainbows. What the hell, dude?
Very cool that you reply to me, appreciate it :)
Kittens and rainbows are fucking horrible. Kittens make me sneeze and rainbows only occurs when it fucking rains. Rain, dude. It's like, totally wet and shit.
Nah, but seriously: Disclaimer: I am from Norway. The use of the term socialism is probably different here than in the US or UK (I am blatantly assuming you are from there). Scandinavia is already pretty much socialist in the eyes of the average North-American, but not in the eyes of us vikings. When I state that I am anti-socialist I mean it in the Karl Marx / Engels socialism sort of way. And yes, I know the difference between communism and socialism. Communism is a socialist ideology, just as anarchism and social-democracy is. I am in favour of what is often, in the US, called socialist values, for example:
- Anti death penalty
- Universal health care
- Basic economic safety net for everyone
- Univeral coverage of education
But I am vehemently against the radical feminists and their bullshit. I am very much against the idea of progressive taxation and I am very much against the idea that taxes solve everything (very common among scandinavian socialists). I am also very much against limitations on free speech under the guise of 'hate speech laws'; something socialists in Norway advocate. I am very much against police officers being allowed to don religious symbols such as hijab (socialists wants this in the name of PC) and I abhor 'affirmative action' (including laws that state that a so-and-so percentage of board members have to be female) laws. To name a few things.
I think it is odd that they ban everyone who disagrees with their 'platform'. If I started a forum, I would welcome people who disagreed with me. I mean, circle- jerking is fun for some people; but I grow tired of it since I always end up having to eat the limp biscuit.
Wanna bet who is most likely to win, given posting rates? I thought not.Gumby wrote:Off to my mother's to see what the fuck is wrong with her TV. God forbid she should miss any reality TV shows :roll:
Don't forget, the all-important 40,000th post is coming up soon. The person who posts it will be awarded a custom-designed* racist hat from internationally-renowned hat designer Mykeru Versace.
*copy-pasted
Wait, they are not the Evil Empire, but just a bunch of inept wannabees? Who knew?tfoot wrote:okay, so its over 48 hrs since I put the video up, ~50k views and a 95 % approval rating,
and yet this is greeted by complete silence from baboon central. That's unprecedented!
Do they realize that they have been damned by their own words and the best thing they can do is ignore it and hope no one sees their stupidity/ hypocrisy?
Or are they saving it up for some devastating ad hominim 'we must drive TF out of the community like a pariah' type shit? FYI the last time they plotted as a group to do that... where they all conspired to release their blogs at the same time to be as devastating as possible, it resulted in me losing ~300 out of 150 000 subscribers. Wow, that blogging network is soooo powerfully influential!
Hello again :)Eucliwood wrote:
Oh okay. Well, don't use the term "anti socialist" everywhere cos Ive never seen that definition of anti socialism in my life. As for progressive tax... are you saying you're vehemently against taxing people for their wealth? It certainly helped here, with clinton... and then when bush wanted that shit undone....
Crash.
I am totally for that. If we're going to tax people, why not tax them for money they don't really need? Tax people who make less, well, less. Makes sense to me. If I made a great amount of money I wouldn't mind being taxed more. I don't understand being for taxes but being against taxing people who make more, more.
They are in a horrible, horrible place -tfoot wrote:okay, so its over 48 hrs since I put the video up, ~50k views and a 95 % approval rating,
and yet this is greeted by complete silence from baboon central. That's unprecedented!
Do they realize that they have been damned by their own words and the best thing they can do is ignore it and hope no one sees their stupidity/ hypocrisy?
Or are they saving it up for some devastating ad hominim 'we must drive TF out of the community like a pariah' type shit?
28% of 1 million dollars is more than 28% of 100k dollars. Are you saying you do not approve of taking 28% of 1 million dollars as you take of 100k dollars or what? Seems perfectly reasonable to me. And if the country needs more help, hell, take even MORE from 1 million dollars. No guilt on my chest.Oneiros666 wrote:Hello again :)Eucliwood wrote:
Oh okay. Well, don't use the term "anti socialist" everywhere cos Ive never seen that definition of anti socialism in my life. As for progressive tax... are you saying you're vehemently against taxing people for their wealth? It certainly helped here, with clinton... and then when bush wanted that shit undone....
Crash.
I am totally for that. If we're going to tax people, why not tax them for money they don't really need? Tax people who make less, well, less. Makes sense to me. If I made a great amount of money I wouldn't mind being taxed more. I don't understand being for taxes but being against taxing people who make more, more.
Well, the important thing to remember when discussing tax policy with Norwegians is that we currently have a total tax level of about 70 % of our income. In 'Mmerica I believe your have quite a lower total rate. Note: I include VAT and other levies in the total tax level. For example:
- In Norway gasoline are taxed at approximately 88 % (one litre of gas costs 5 bucks, i.e. one gallon costs about 21 bucks here).
- Alcohol is taxed at around 70 %. One bottle of middle-of-the-road red wine costs 28 bucks at the state monopoly alcohol outlet
- All merchandise are taxed at 28 %. So, for example, a bottle of coke's gross price is maybe 1 dollar. But then you have to add 28 % VAT (1,28), then you have to add the sugar tax (no joke) making the price about 2 bucks. Then you have to add the CO2 tax, making the price about 2,3 bucks.
- Income tax starts at 28 % (everyone have to pay this), then increases progressively up until 49 % (when you earn $132 000 and above). The exception is capital gains, which is always taxed at 28 %. So the truly rich only pay 28 % (this was introduced by our socialist PM in 1993).
So you can understand us Norse dudes may (again, I assume) have a bit more gripe with the tax-issue than the average North-American.
But to your argument of 'earn more- pay more, earn less- pay less'. Is 28 % of 1 million dollars more or less than 28 % of 100k dollars? I do not buy the 'they can afford it, so they should pay' argument. In Norway we do not have a deficit. We have an annual surplus of about 1 BILL dollars, and we're only 5 million people. I am far more sympathetic to the tax policies of left-wingers in the US considering you have a huge deficit to deal with. But I would still argue that mayhaps you should start with reducing your military costs by half before you start taxing everyone, but I do not live in your country; so I understand that my opinions regarding this are worth diddly-squat.