"Hotlips" is proposing an end run around a fair election of the people to get her favored candidate into the seat of power. I think it is OK to take a few potshots at her looks. And I think she deserves to hear them. She deserves to feel bad about something.MarcusAu wrote:Just checked - Lorretta Swit is 79 years old. I'll think I'll give the appearance-shaming a pass on this occasion.
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You mean it nearly made you vomit too?Tigzy wrote:Also, my local picture house played this ad before Rogue One, which I have to admit, did bring a bit of a lump to the throat.
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Yes but competency counts for something - and these people just don't have it.deLurch wrote:"Hotlips" is proposing an end run around a fair election of the people to get her favored candidate into the seat of power. I think it is OK to take a few potshots at her looks. And I think she deserves to hear them. She deserves to feel bad about something.MarcusAu wrote:Just checked - Lorretta Swit is 79 years old. I'll think I'll give the appearance-shaming a pass on this occasion.
Actually, I think they are attempting to stir up the masses, rather than appeal to the reason of the Republican members of the EC.
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Waiting for the local news on BBC Northern Ireland to start.
Bit of a flap on at the moment about an energy efficiency scheme called the "Renewable Heating Incentive", through which the local government paid businesses to convert to reneewable heating sources, but paid them according to how much fuel they used, at a rate higher than the cost of the fuel, so it incentivised burning as much fuel as you could, which is kind of the opposite of energy efficiency. Looks like costing the taxpayer in the region of £400m. Arlene Foster, now First Minister but formerly minister of the department that ran the scheme, may be implicated.
Of interest to me is an interview on the local news with Jonathan Bell, an assembly member for Foster's DUP, who's promising to tell all even if it ruins his career. He's said:
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Bit of a flap on at the moment about an energy efficiency scheme called the "Renewable Heating Incentive", through which the local government paid businesses to convert to reneewable heating sources, but paid them according to how much fuel they used, at a rate higher than the cost of the fuel, so it incentivised burning as much fuel as you could, which is kind of the opposite of energy efficiency. Looks like costing the taxpayer in the region of £400m. Arlene Foster, now First Minister but formerly minister of the department that ran the scheme, may be implicated.
Of interest to me is an interview on the local news with Jonathan Bell, an assembly member for Foster's DUP, who's promising to tell all even if it ruins his career. He's said:
I haven't seen him in years, but back in the triassic period we shared a lunch table in the school dinner hall for a few years, and we sat next to each other in A-level English class. If, back then, you'd told me he'd grow up to be a unionist politician, I wouldn't have been in the least bit surprised, but a likeable enough guy underneath it all. He's not a household name in local politics - not yet anyway. This may make him one."But my wife told me this morning: 'Jonathan, tell the truth. Please tell the truth.' And I've now done that.
"I am a very poor Christian, but I have a great God. And I believe God does not punish people for telling the truth."
Speaking through tears, he said: "This is difficult. There's a ward in the Ulster Hospital, the Maynard ward, which is closed. Do you think I could sit back and not tell the truth? Not when God has told me to tell the truth.
"Dr Paisley was right - tell the truth, should the heavens fall on you. So do with me as they will."
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In the good old days they used to shoot song birds as a "fun" event at Xmas time. Is that the origin of the dead bird Xmas card?KenD wrote:You mean it nearly made you vomit too?Tigzy wrote:Also, my local picture house played this ad before Rogue One, which I have to admit, did bring a bit of a lump to the throat.
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Humbug.
Now a few weirdos like me go out and count birds instead of shooting them. It's called the Christmas Bird Count and it has been going on for many years. It is a way to watch what is happening with winter bird populations over time. It's not very scientific, but it has some value.
So far the SJWs have not tried to change the name to the "Holiday Bird Count", or "Solstice Bird Count"...
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What's actually in the video is that they want both Republican and Democrats to pick a "safe" Republican candidate (probably Evan McMullin) in large enough numbers so that the Congress would then pick the "bipartisan" candidate among the three candidates with most electoral votes.deLurch wrote:"Hotlips" is proposing an end run around a fair election of the people to get her favored candidate into the seat of power. I think it is OK to take a few potshots at her looks. And I think she deserves to hear them. She deserves to feel bad about something.MarcusAu wrote:Just checked - Lorretta Swit is 79 years old. I'll think I'll give the appearance-shaming a pass on this occasion.
This isn't done to get Clinton elected, it's done to keep Trump out of office. I think that even if such a plan succeeded (which I really doubt: they need to convince at least 37 Republican electors not to vote for Trump) it'd lead only to countless troubles, from Trump bringing the case to the Supreme Court to tensions in society, especially among Trump supporters.
While what those people are trying to promote is legal, it's unprecedented and it looks a lot like a coup through legal means. I don't think it's a very good idea, even though I don't like Trump. If Clinton were in the same position and Trump tried to pull the same trick you can bet your ass that they'd scream "fascist coup!" at the top of their lungs.
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No it brought a lump to the throat because the little birdy nearly died but the kind fisherman made him better so he could fly off gay and free and have his mince pie. *sob*KenD wrote:You mean it nearly made you vomit too?Tigzy wrote:Also, my local picture house played this ad before Rogue One, which I have to admit, did bring a bit of a lump to the throat.
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Humbug.
But anyways - the Victorians were notably weird when it came to Xmas cards: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/christmas/0/ ... ply-weird/
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Dear god, this one's utterly terrifying.
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That's Hell, right there.
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That's Hell, right there.
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Yep. The Victorians thought killing a few birds at Christmas would bring good luck for the new year. Sending someone a picture of an avian corpse was just a cheery Christmas greeting back then.John D wrote:In the good old days they used to shoot song birds as a "fun" event at Xmas time. Is that the origin of the dead bird Xmas card?
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In this one I think they're out for revenge:
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Although I've got no fucking clue what these are about.
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They were a strange bunch the Victorians, but I suppose future assholes will be saying that about us...
I've not heard of that to be honest. I have taken part in butterfly counts during the summer, but I do wonder if they're more about raising awareness than actual science.John D wrote:Now a few weirdos like me go out and count birds instead of shooting them. It's called the Christmas Bird Count and it has been going on for many years. It is a way to watch what is happening with winter bird populations over time. It's not very scientific, but it has some value.
So far the SJWs have not tried to change the name to the "Holiday Bird Count", or "Solstice Bird Count"...
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Seasons greetings for your gay and dusky chums.
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Trump's announced his buttfuck-retarded tax plan: "Simplify" the tax code by reducing the number of brackets from 7 to 3. This will reduce the length of the tax code by amount as many words as are in this post, and his chosen rates will blow up the deficit far more than anything Bush or Obama ever did (which I must stress is not automatically gloom and doom; tax cuts for high earners may be among the least effective forms of economic stimulus, but I always cringe seeing liberals turn into deficit hawks when Republicans are in office as it only ever weakens their own case for public spending later down the line; by all means hang them by their own words and call hypocrisy but don't actually profess to believe them).
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Just tuned into the BBC World Service, and there's a programme on about Gab.ai and free speech and that. Just heard one woman - who can't pronounce her 'r's - claim that Gab's 'gween fwog logo is pwoblematic.'
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I remember seeing this as the Liverpool Museum of Slavery.
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Weird and strange and awful all at the same time.
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Guess which one of those guys was used for target practice.MarcusAu wrote:I remember seeing this as the Liverpool Museum of Slavery.
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Malcolm?InfraRedBucket wrote:Guess which one of those guys was used for target practice.MarcusAu wrote:I remember seeing this as the Liverpool Museum of Slavery.
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Is he in the middle?Shatterface wrote:Malcolm?InfraRedBucket wrote:Guess which one of those guys was used for target practice.MarcusAu wrote:I remember seeing this as the Liverpool Museum of Slavery.
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When I first saw this story yesterday, I did feel initially vindicated for being skeptical in this age of SJ related hoaxes.Really? wrote:Uh oh. There's another one:
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Muslim college student who claimed Trump supporters attacked her on the subway under arrest for making story upThis is the one who disappeared for three days.She made it all up — and now she’s under arrest.
The Muslim college student who claimed she was harassed on the subway by three men who shouted “Donald Trump,” called her a terrorist and tried to rip her hijab off her head has admitted to detectives that she concocted the entire story, the Daily News has learned.
I also felt angry that someone did this with the result that actual victims of hate-based crimes will have a harder time getting sympathy/help.
Then I heard that her head was shaved by her parents, not sure if before she went missing for 3 days or after she was found at that time. The story being she has a Christian boyfriend or she was with her boyfriend and the hoax story was to cover that up because she violated her curfew...an adult woman going to college was afraid of violating her curfew.
Well, it looks like her head WAS shaved by her fucking parents
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I know she won't charge her parents with assault and battery, but I wish someone would.
It is almost like she is suffering under PATRIARCHY and SHAME culture. I know
I find I am not as mad at her, but pity her, because an adult woman shouldn't have to deal with this in the US.
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To be fair, taxation at the Federal level is not about revenue raising. It is about adjusting the supply of money in the economy, influencing who has money to spend, and controlling inflation. The Government spends money into existence, and licences the banks to create money. Expect to see inflation rocket and inequality entrench the bimodal bell curve of haves and have nots under Trump's plans.Sunder wrote:Trump's announced his buttfuck-retarded tax plan: "Simplify" the tax code by reducing the number of brackets from 7 to 3. This will reduce the length of the tax code by amount as many words as are in this post, and his chosen rates will blow up the deficit far more than anything Bush or Obama ever did (which I must stress is not automatically gloom and doom; tax cuts for high earners may be among the least effective forms of economic stimulus, but I always cringe seeing liberals turn into deficit hawks when Republicans are in office as it only ever weakens their own case for public spending later down the line; by all means hang them by their own words and call hypocrisy but don't actually profess to believe them).
The federal Government deficit meanwhile means that there is a shit load of money floating around in the economy available for private accumulation and use.
The States on the other hand do require taxation to function as they are not fiat producers of the US currency.
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Very little concern for her situation from the SJWs. They were so animated last week, but the abuse of her from her parents is a little problematic for them to call out.HoneyWagon wrote:Well, it looks like her head WAS shaved by her fucking parents
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I know she won't charge her parents with assault and battery, but I wish someone would.
It is almost like she is suffering under PATRIARCHY and SHAME culture. I knowtumblrinaspeople against patriarchy will be will be right on this....
I find I am not as mad at her, but pity her, because an adult woman shouldn't have to deal with this in the US.
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She's lucky she was in the US and not back in the old country or Dad might have cut off more than her hair.
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Over on the Orb Bit, Miwi Mowgewevsky in Bwoot Weason writes the title "Yes, We Did Fail to Empathize with Conservatives" followed by e.g. "not really, ha-ha, but we need to understand how these subhumans think so we can better fix their damaged minds" for over 2500 agonizing words. http://archive.is/DeiQL
My main take-away: Her 14-year-old brother is a Trump backer and this gives her a sad but is no longer trying to correct him.
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She is like Commander Deanna Troi, a trained empath, clearly superior to her subjects:fuzzy wrote:Over on the Orb Bit, Miwi Mowgewevsky in Bwoot Weason writes the title "Yes, We Did Fail to Empathize with Conservatives" followed by e.g. "not really, ha-ha, but we need to understand how these subhumans think so we can better fix their damaged minds" for over 2500 agonizing words. http://archive.is/DeiQL
My main take-away: Her 14-year-old brother is a Trump backer and this gives her a sad but is no longer trying to correct him.
She understands the tribal motivations of others, but is able to transcend bias herself.And because I have a relatively high empathic ability, which I train for hours each day in the course of my job, I can actually put myself right into a hypothetical conservative’s shoes and see why they’d feel what they feel given the beliefs that they have. If I had those beliefs, I would also feel (and vote) the way they do.
Nothing immature or arrogant about her.
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Why? Because they are skinheads?CommanderTuvok wrote:Very little concern for her situation from the SJWs. They were so animated last week, but the abuse of her from her parents is a little problematic for them to call out.HoneyWagon wrote:Well, it looks like her head WAS shaved by her fucking parents
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/mus ... ?cid=bitly
(They added a shaved head pic)
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I know she won't charge her parents with assault and battery, but I wish someone would.
It is almost like she is suffering under PATRIARCHY and SHAME culture. I knowtumblrinaspeople against patriarchy will be will be right on this....
I find I am not as mad at her, but pity her, because an adult woman shouldn't have to deal with this in the US.
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It's totes owl-some.Tigzy wrote:Dear god, this one's utterly terrifying.
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That's Hell, right there.
I'd like to order 20 please, with envelopes.
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I look at those owls and see Al, Peg, Bud, and Kelly
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Is this just last-chance trolling, or what? Sheriff Joe Arpaio's years-long investigation into Obama's birth certificate claims to prove it's a forgery:
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I only skimmed the video, but wouldn't the same typewriter, using the same template, put the same letters in the same locations?
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[emphasis added]free thoughtpolice wrote:She is like Commander Deanna Troi, a trained empath, clearly superior to her subjects...fuzzy wrote:Over on the Orb Bit, Miwi Mowgewevsky in Bwoot Weason writes the title "Yes, We Did Fail to Empathize with Conservatives" followed by e.g. "not really, ha-ha, but we need to understand how these subhumans think so we can better fix their damaged minds" for over 2500 agonizing words. http://archive.is/DeiQL
My main take-away: Her 14-year-old brother is a Trump backer and this gives her a sad but is no longer trying to correct him.
Are her tits different sizes, forcing the people who dress her to only use asymmetrical outfits?
Just askin'.
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Guess what happens if you dare press "play"?
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You don't want go on record that breasts are a binary feature do you?Billie from Ockham wrote:[emphasis added]free thoughtpolice wrote:She is like Commander Deanna Troi, a trained empath, clearly superior to her subjects...fuzzy wrote:Over on the Orb Bit, Miwi Mowgewevsky in Bwoot Weason writes the title "Yes, We Did Fail to Empathize with Conservatives" followed by e.g. "not really, ha-ha, but we need to understand how these subhumans think so we can better fix their damaged minds" for over 2500 agonizing words. http://archive.is/DeiQL
My main take-away: Her 14-year-old brother is a Trump backer and this gives her a sad but is no longer trying to correct him.
Are her tits different sizes, forcing the people who dress her to only use asymmetrical outfits?
Just askin'.
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Someone was asking at work today why the left ball is smaller than the right ball on Amazon's biodome, so I told them that we employed an architect from Devizes.Billie from Ockham wrote:[emphasis added]free thoughtpolice wrote:She is like Commander Deanna Troi, a trained empath, clearly superior to her subjects...fuzzy wrote:Over on the Orb Bit, Miwi Mowgewevsky in Bwoot Weason writes the title "Yes, We Did Fail to Empathize with Conservatives" followed by e.g. "not really, ha-ha, but we need to understand how these subhumans think so we can better fix their damaged minds" for over 2500 agonizing words. http://archive.is/DeiQL
My main take-away: Her 14-year-old brother is a Trump backer and this gives her a sad but is no longer trying to correct him.
Are her tits different sizes, forcing the people who dress her to only use asymmetrical outfits?
Just askin'.
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Is she making videos for vore fetishists now? It's an honest living at any rate.Brive1987 wrote:Guess what happens if you dare press "play"?
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Alcohol is a very effective lens cleaner. Usually isopropanol, however, so she really shouldn't expect much more than a headache and some vomiting. Not sure he would notice any difference from her usual days.Brive1987 wrote:Guess what happens if you dare press "play"?
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I fucking hate you guys. :twisted:
Deanna only has 2 boobs, and you reacting to differently aligned pink monsters means you shit encrusted ass pimples* will go to no limit to find fault womyn. :bjarte:
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[*] Caine's non ableist description of people she is righteously angry with.
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Nerd has some non-correct views. Unfortunately he will not be called out for calling homosexuals "developmental abnormalities":
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"The chromosomes can be overridden by the developmental process."
Which part of the developmental process has no genetic influence exactly?
Maybe "drinking while pregnant"?
Which part of the developmental process has no genetic influence exactly?
Maybe "drinking while pregnant"?
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Isn't Nerd the notorious homophobe? gynephobe that started by "poof" to be dismissed, then was "sloosh", disrespectful of a healthy woman having wet orgasm?ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Nerd has some non-correct views. Unfortunately he will not be called out for calling homosexuals "developmental abnormalities":
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Depending on whether you think of her left or right boob as a single or "baseline" boob, she either has 1.9 boobs or 2.11 boobs.*free thoughtpolice wrote:I fucking hate you guys. :twisted:
Deanna only has 2 boobs, and you reacting to differently aligned pink monsters means you shit encrusted ass pimples* will go to no limit to find fault womyn. :bjarte:
* nb. - this clearly implies that boobs are not binary
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OMG those comments. :doh:Wild Zontargs wrote:Is this just last-chance trolling, or what? Sheriff Joe Arpaio's years-long investigation into Obama's birth certificate claims to prove it's a forgery:
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I only skimmed the video, but wouldn't the same typewriter, using the same template, put the same letters in the same locations?
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It looks like 2016 has claimed its first celebrity death by meme:
The Eichenwald Fox News/ twitter mental breakdown is the funniest thing I've seen on the internet all year.
The Eichenwald Fox News/ twitter mental breakdown is the funniest thing I've seen on the internet all year.
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An early Merry Christmas folks - I'm off to France for a month. Where I will not give a single thought to Trump, Brexit or any of the other shit that has made up 2016. Good riddance to a fucked-up year.
Have a happy Crimbo everyone and here's hoping 2017 is less weird than 2016.
Have a happy Crimbo everyone and here's hoping 2017 is less weird than 2016.
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:lol: :lol: The tunnel of love.Ape+lust wrote:Brive1987 wrote:Guess what happens if you dare press "play"?
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You're off my Christmas card list.Brive1987 wrote:Guess what happens if you dare press "play"?
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Apparently it's appropriate to have a 'Joyeux Noël' where you are going (at least according to the online translator).HunnyBunny wrote:An early Merry Christmas folks - I'm off to France for a month. Where I will not give a single thought to Trump, Brexit or any of the other shit that has made up 2016. Good riddance to a fucked-up year.
Have a happy Crimbo everyone and here's hoping 2017 is less weird than 2016.
Have a good one - and all the best to you and yours for the holiday season.
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Miri fails psychology and sociology 101, part I:fuzzy wrote:Over on the Orb Bit, Miwi Mowgewevsky in Bwoot Weason writes the title "Yes, We Did Fail to Empathize with Conservatives" followed by e.g. "not really, ha-ha, but we need to understand how these subhumans think so we can better fix their damaged minds" for over 2500 agonizing words. http://archive.is/DeiQL
My main take-away: Her 14-year-old brother is a Trump backer and this gives her a sad but is no longer trying to correct him.
Outraged emphasis aside, this isn't entirely false. What Miri is referring to is cognitive empathy, i.e. the ability to understand what others think. There are other meanings of empathy that include emotional content, like emotional empathy (feeling what someone else feels on an emotional level) and somatic empathy (feeling what another person feels at a corporeal level). Miri, as someone who has studied psychology and is a therapist (I think?) should have been more clear, but this paragraph is more or less an adequate start. Let's see if Miri truly can get into the mind of the Conservative Monster.Empathy means understanding what someone thinks and feels from their perspective. It doesn’t mean feeling bad for them–it’s not the same thing as sympathy. It doesn’t mean patiently debating life-or-death issues with them. It doesn’t mean coddling them or doing what they want you to. It doesn’t even mean accepting their distortions of sociopolitical reality as fact.
Apparently not so much. This is an over-generalization, which doesn't explain why white non college-educated women voted for Trump in droves, or why people in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania voted for Obama twice but then switched to Trump, or why a non insignificant percentage of minorities voted for Trump, too. Are we supposed to think that those women and minorities all hate themselves? Are we supposed to think that a white woman like Clinton is seen as more threatening than a black man like Obama?Overwhelmingly, white Americans–at least the ones who voted for Trump–think that people of color are the cause of their economic problems, and they feel afraid of them. They think that LGBTQ people are sinful and a threat to the proper order of things, and they feel disgusted by them. They think that women are asking for more than they deserve and that women are inherently deceitful and untrustworthy, and they feel threatened by them.
While there are some people who voted Trump for those reasons this analysis looks incredibly superficial. It is also a massive over-generalization and over-simplification, but since Miri seems to be all about making sweeping statements and doesn't provide evidence or analyze more nuanced patters I'll let that slide.And when I put myself in the headspace of a white conservative, and run a simulation in my mind of their beliefs and values, their support for Trump and other Republicans makes complete sense to me. There is nothing hypocritical about it at all. There’s little evidence that they voted “against their interests,” because as much of a failure as Trump will be at improving their economic circumstances, that wasn’t the only interest they had. They were also very interested in reducing the number of people of color (especially Muslims) in the United States, maintaining Christianity as the dominant American value system, making sure that women don’t take what isn’t theirs, and preventing LGBTQ people from further corrupting American culture. They accomplished all of this and more by electing Trump.
Anyway even as a sweeping generalization it is pretty inaccurate. Trump isn't especially religious and didn't campaign on an anti-LGBTQ message. Yes, he chose Pence (notoriously very religious and anti-LGTBQ) as a running mate, but the core of Trump's appeal was on other messages (the Wall, muslim ban, anti-Hillary and anti-establishment, protectionism and isolationism).
Ignoring the economic and anti-establishment motivations of Trump voters completely only to focus on racial bias is a serious lack of cognitive empathy on Miri's part.
Again you'd expect that isolationism, anti-establishment messages and protectionism would get at least a cursory mention. But clearly Miri isn't interested in really understanding the conservative mind more than she is interested in assigning collective blame.And sure, there are a lot more factors in this election outcome than just the specific beliefs I listed as examples. Those are some major ones, but there are others, such as “government-run programs are wasteful and harmful in general and should be reduced or eliminated” and “climate change is a hoax” and “I admire Donald Trump’s business successes and would want someone with those skills as president.” Yes, you can be a Trump supporter without being primarily concerned with, say, reducing the number and influence of people of color in America. But as others have pointed out, every Trump supporter has heard his rhetoric about people of color and women and decided that that is acceptable on some level. So yes, you’re all racist and sexist. Every last one of you.
A clinical, detached analysis of mental states can't be all about repeating how horrible the person(s) you're trying to analyze is/are. Even psychiatrists who have to understand real criminals like serial killers or rapists (and not just people with different political opinions) have to at least momentarily abandon a moral judgment in a clinical assessment in order to really understand what makes them tick. Miri seems to be terrible at that, I wouldn't recommend her as a therapist.
Let's see. How?So how do we stop misunderstanding and underestimating right-wingers? How do we have actual empathy towards them?
Does this include taking those people seriously if they claim to be motivated by other reasons, like concerns about crime or about industries relocating abroad? Does this include taking Trump seriously when he chooses Nikki Haley and Elaine Cho (two non-white women) as part of his staff? Does this include taking Trump seriously when saying that he loves Mexicans? No, that's (respectively) irrelevant, tokenism and face-saving.1. We take them seriously.
When someone tells you who they are, believe them. Trump has been telling us who he is for decades and people still won’t believe him. “Oh, he didn’t really mean that about grabbing those women.” “He didn’t literally mean that Mexican immigrants are rapists, just that there are probably some rapists among them, like any other group.” “He’ll probably surround himself with good people once he gets to the White House.” We’re now seeing how that’s turning out.
Same with Trump’s supporters. When they say that their jobs have been taken by immigrants, they mean that that’s what they believe. You are not going to win them over unless you either manage to convince them that this deeply-held, socioculturally-reinforced belief is false (good luck with that), or you tell them that you’re going to kick all the immigrants out so they can have their jobs back.
Many–not all–Trump voters have real economic concerns. But they have chosen a fundamentally racist way of explaining the origins of those problems, and they will not accept a solution that doesn’t get at what they see as the problem.
So we should take people at their word when they say bigoted things, but always try to figure out their hidden bigoted motives when they express other concerns. This isn't empathy, this is projection your own interpretation of your political rivals onto them.2. We learn to read and listen critically.
On the other hand, we can’t take people’s statements so literally and interpret them so shallowly that we fail to understand what they actually mean. When Trump supporters said that they want to get rid of all the elites in the federal government, they didn’t mean that they wanted the next president to be someone who grew up in a Rust Belt town with ordinary non-politician parents, built their own small business from the ground up, and knows what it’s like to struggle financially. When right-wingers use words like “elites,” what they typically mean is urban liberals and/or Jews. So nobody should be surprised that most Trump voters seem totally okay with his own elite status and that of the people he’s filling his administration with.
If a therapist disgusted by their patient projects their feelings of disgust in the therapy the therapy will be very inefficient. If you let your biases color your sociological research will be heavily flawed. This is Psychology101 and Sociology101. Miri seems to be determined not to question her biased assumptions and to even reinforce them.
So close, and yet so far. Of all the examples that Miri could have chosen climate change is probably the one less tied to traditional conservatives values and identities. It's a recent issue and it's not tied to religious or ethnic concerns. And she's both overplaying identity issues among Trump voters (generalizing all of them as racist/sexist/bigoted) and downplaying identity issues among "leftists" (which only get a cursory mention).3. We understand the powerful role of tribalism and identity.
Identity politics did cost Clinton this election. Specifically, identity politics won the election for Trump. This election was won by conservative white identity politics.
For white conservatives, things like opposing immigration (of non-white people), fearing Muslims, distrusting women, being disgusted by homosexuality, and believing that government programs and other institutions unfairly favor people of color aren’t just isolated opinions, like preferring summer to winter or liking a particular brand of frozen pizza.
Rather, those are strong markers of group identity. Even when presented with strong contrary evidence, you can’t just abandon them because then you’d be like Them, not like Us. And being like Them is unspeakably awful.
I’m not saying liberals don’t have their own versions of this, by the way. They sure do. But the point is that they underestimate the role this plays in our current political situation at their peril.
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When it’s a matter of group identity, that changes. Conservatives don’t simply believe that climate change is a hoax; they really, really need to believe that climate change is a hoax. If they stop believing that climate change is a hoax, they will lose part of their sense of who they are, not to mention cause conflict with their friends and family and also start fearing that we’re all literally going to die. That’s some powerful motivation to keep believing that climate change is a hoax. Avoiding cognitive dissonance is a much stronger drive than your calm and reasoned arguments can possibly provide.
Anyway she also provides some advice on how to win elections:
How can I put this...does Miri really think that everyone in the Democratic Party thought that voting didn't matter? Does she realize all the things that the Dems did to get people out to vote? Does she ask herself why many people who voted for Obama in Pennsylvania or Michigan or Wisconsin didn't get out to vote for Clinton? No, no and no. Writing letters to representatives and senators is enough.1. Galvanize the left-wing base so that they turn the fuck up at the polls next time.
Stop with the “voting doesn’t really matter” fucking bullshit. We’re about to find out exactly how much it mattered. This is my main aim when I write and share things about Trump, about racism, about fascism, and so on. I’m not trying to convince conservatives. I’m trying to get progressives who can vote to get the fuck out there and vote. I fucking promise you there are progressives in Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and literally every other red and swing state who could have voted in this election and chose not to.
Because I don’t believe that we can convince conservatives to stop supporting Trump (or other relatively less awful but still awful politicians), I believe that our best option is to strengthen our own base so that it can defeat conservatives in elections. And not just elections, of course.
I’ve just started hosting monthly letter-writing parties to get my friends and myself to write letters to our representatives and senators. Progressives need to start doing all of this kind of shit in much greater numbers and defeat conservatives with brute strength, not, ironically, brute reason.
I have a lingering suspicion that if Miri acted the way she does when she writes her posts her behavior and arguments may have actually driven her brother to sympathize with Trump voters.2. Do our best to educate young people.
Of course, brute strength isn’t a perfect or sustainable solution. As I said, we could’ve avoided a Trump presidency and prevented a lot of harm that way, but the shitty ideas would still be out there, ready to strike at any time. Kinda like Obama being president didn’t end racism.
We need to keep trying to reach young people before they develop a strong tribal conservative identity. That’s very hard to do, because these identities can form early. My 14-year-old brother is a passionate Trump supporter and there’s nothing any of us can do to talk him out of it now. Maybe there could’ve been years ago. Maybe I should’ve tried. But I had no idea this was coming. Now I know exactly what can happen, and how quickly.
(Yeah, yeah, he might “grow out of it” or whatever. But that’s not going to happen through arguments with me. I already tried that.)
Anyway how does she suppose that progressives can "get'em when they're young"? If people at 14 are already too old to be convinced to change their mind, when is the progressive indoctrination supposed to take place? Junior high? Grade school? Infancy? I see a boatloads of problems with that.
So the conclusion is to think that all Trump voters are completely irredeemable, abandon all hope and damn all theToo much of the commentary about this election has been focused on whether or not Trump supporters are _____-ist, or whether or not you can support Trump without being _____-ist, or how it makes Trump supporters feel to be called _____-ist. For the purposes of this discussion, it doesn’t matter what you call them. They have made their opinions very clear. Are we going to listen?
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OK, watched the interview with my old school chum Beller (as he was known back then). They also interviewed Arlene Foster straight after. My takeaway from it all:
The Renewable Heat Incentive was started in 2011 when Foster was minister at the Department for Trade and Investment (DETI), the department that ran it. She says none of her civil servants ever made her aware of any of the problems of the scheme, so she never had an opportunity to do anything about it. She moved to the Department of Finance and Personnel (DFP) in May 2015, and Bell replaced her at DETI. Bell says his attention was drawn to the problems within about a month, and he attempted to reduce the amount paid, but this was delayed by interference from special advisers from the DFP and the Office of the First Minister and didn't happen until November. Foster says that November was the date that Bell proposed, and it happened just as he wanted it.
He then announced it would be shut down in January 2016, and later announced it would be kept open for a couple of extra weeks, which saw a surge of applications from businesses who wanted to get on the gravy train before it was too late. He says he was forced to do this after a heated meeting with Foster, and regrets that he went along with it and didn't resign. Foster became First Minister in January 2016, but I'm not clear whether this was before or after Bell's announcement. After the assembly elections in May, Foster remained First Minister, the various departments were reorganised, and Bell, while still a member of the assembly, was no longer a minister.
So, in brief: Foster is responsible for this scandal, but is now First Minister and protected by the system to an extent. Bell shut it down, perhaps not as quickly as he could have done once he became aware of it, and in the process fell out with Foster, his party leader, which lost him his ministerial job. He probably suspects he's going to take the fall for it and is getting his retaliation in first, dressed up in some ostentatious religiosity. Foster is claiming ignorance, despite being the minister responsible for the scheme for four years, and is damselling a bit, claiming that Bell used his "bulk" to intimidate her.
The Renewable Heat Incentive was started in 2011 when Foster was minister at the Department for Trade and Investment (DETI), the department that ran it. She says none of her civil servants ever made her aware of any of the problems of the scheme, so she never had an opportunity to do anything about it. She moved to the Department of Finance and Personnel (DFP) in May 2015, and Bell replaced her at DETI. Bell says his attention was drawn to the problems within about a month, and he attempted to reduce the amount paid, but this was delayed by interference from special advisers from the DFP and the Office of the First Minister and didn't happen until November. Foster says that November was the date that Bell proposed, and it happened just as he wanted it.
He then announced it would be shut down in January 2016, and later announced it would be kept open for a couple of extra weeks, which saw a surge of applications from businesses who wanted to get on the gravy train before it was too late. He says he was forced to do this after a heated meeting with Foster, and regrets that he went along with it and didn't resign. Foster became First Minister in January 2016, but I'm not clear whether this was before or after Bell's announcement. After the assembly elections in May, Foster remained First Minister, the various departments were reorganised, and Bell, while still a member of the assembly, was no longer a minister.
So, in brief: Foster is responsible for this scandal, but is now First Minister and protected by the system to an extent. Bell shut it down, perhaps not as quickly as he could have done once he became aware of it, and in the process fell out with Foster, his party leader, which lost him his ministerial job. He probably suspects he's going to take the fall for it and is getting his retaliation in first, dressed up in some ostentatious religiosity. Foster is claiming ignorance, despite being the minister responsible for the scheme for four years, and is damselling a bit, claiming that Bell used his "bulk" to intimidate her.
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From what you've written it seems likely that Bell was utterly screwed over by Foster. I wonder if actually putting him in charge of DETI was part of a plan to deliberately scapegoat him.paddybrown wrote:OK, watched the interview with my old school chum Beller (as he was known back then). They also interviewed Arlene Foster straight after. My takeaway from it all:
The Renewable Heat Incentive was started in 2011 when Foster was minister at the Department for Trade and Investment (DETI), the department that ran it. She says none of her civil servants ever made her aware of any of the problems of the scheme, so she never had an opportunity to do anything about it. She moved to the Department of Finance and Personnel (DFP) in May 2015, and Bell replaced her at DETI. Bell says his attention was drawn to the problems within about a month, and he attempted to reduce the amount paid, but this was delayed by interference from special advisers from the DFP and the Office of the First Minister and didn't happen until November. Foster says that November was the date that Bell proposed, and it happened just as he wanted it.
He then announced it would be shut down in January 2016, and later announced it would be kept open for a couple of extra weeks, which saw a surge of applications from businesses who wanted to get on the gravy train before it was too late. He says he was forced to do this after a heated meeting with Foster, and regrets that he went along with it and didn't resign. Foster became First Minister in January 2016, but I'm not clear whether this was before or after Bell's announcement. After the assembly elections in May, Foster remained First Minister, the various departments were reorganised, and Bell, while still a member of the assembly, was no longer a minister.
So, in brief: Foster is responsible for this scandal, but is now First Minister and protected by the system to an extent. Bell shut it down, perhaps not as quickly as he could have done once he became aware of it, and in the process fell out with Foster, his party leader, which lost him his ministerial job. He probably suspects he's going to take the fall for it and is getting his retaliation in first, dressed up in some ostentatious religiosity. Foster is claiming ignorance, despite being the minister responsible for the scheme for four years, and is damselling a bit, claiming that Bell used his "bulk" to intimidate her.
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I see we have lost another - Dr Bombay has shuffled off...
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True story:Tigzy wrote:Also, my local picture house played this ad before Rogue One, which I have to admit, did bring a bit of a lump to the throat.
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Last week I nipped out to the shed and forgot to close the back door. When I went back inside I found a Robin in the living room. How Christmassy. Then I noticed that the little bastard had shat on my carpet.
Christmas? Bah humbug!
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It's been a while.
But Latsot never fails to deliver.
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Devizes was the home of the local lunatic asylum, and to kids the phrase 'gone to Devizes' meant madness and being locked up for it. Maggie put an end to that with Care in the Community, giving us homeless people instead of a colourful local turn of phrase.Lsuoma wrote: Someone was asking at work today why the left ball is smaller than the right ball on Amazon's biodome, so I told them that we employed an architect from Devizes.
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Ape+lust wrote:Brive1987 wrote:Guess what happens if you dare press "play"?
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Hey Ape you have a new fan. :lol:
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Brive, that video was disgusting. Mykeru-level disgusting. Can we get back to Pizzagate and Sasquatch please?
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Enjoy watching her original interview again.HoneyWagon wrote:When I first saw this story yesterday, I did feel initially vindicated for being skeptical in this age of SJ related hoaxes.Really? wrote:Uh oh. There's another one:
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/mus ... -1.2910944
Muslim college student who claimed Trump supporters attacked her on the subway under arrest for making story upThis is the one who disappeared for three days.She made it all up — and now she’s under arrest.
The Muslim college student who claimed she was harassed on the subway by three men who shouted “Donald Trump,” called her a terrorist and tried to rip her hijab off her head has admitted to detectives that she concocted the entire story, the Daily News has learned.
I also felt angry that someone did this with the result that actual victims of hate-based crimes will have a harder time getting sympathy/help.
Then I heard that her head was shaved by her parents, not sure if before she went missing for 3 days or after she was found at that time. The story being she has a Christian boyfriend or she was with her boyfriend and the hoax story was to cover that up because she violated her curfew...an adult woman going to college was afraid of violating her curfew.
Well, it looks like her head WAS shaved by her fucking parents
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/mus ... ?cid=bitly
(They added a shaved head pic)
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I know she won't charge her parents with assault and battery, but I wish someone would.
It is almost like she is suffering under PATRIARCHY and SHAME culture. I knowtumblrinaspeople against patriarchy will be will be right on this....
I find I am not as mad at her, but pity her, because an adult woman shouldn't have to deal with this in the US.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/12/03/ ... on-subway/
She lied once and heavily played a stereotype for sympathy. What makes you think she is telling the truth now, instead of playing another stereotype for sympathy?
Also note, that she is no longer wearing her hijab as she did for her sympathy interview.
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While curious about the contents, I'm not clicking on a SomethingAwful link because those retards are responsible for a lot of this shit anyway and don't deserve to laugh it off.