Periodic Table of Swearing

[Mykeru]

Better yet, frozen -

Done and done.

And Papillon,

Thanks, I know you guys aren't my minions but I'm on my crappy little netbook and I just had to capture that Laden Moment for posterity: Equal parts lies, bullshit, self-pity, paranoia and personal problems.

Loser. Why do they do this to themselves?

It's amusing that Greg should try to lie right in our faces. But what's even more amusing is how his friends gobble it all up. And they call themselves sceptics? The mind boggles.

That Laden, always with the plan, always thinking ahead...

Laden has been stating that he might "tell-all" about his stalking of Abbie/ERV, and claiming it would only make ERV look bad.

And when he wrote that, he was chuckling to himself as he screwed the top on some fool-proof phony explosive carrots.

[youtube]STeVTzWelns[/youtube]

Keep buying from Acme Greg. We're shareholders.

[welch]

Mordacious:

As for the slymepitters…they’ve lost all presumption of charity long, long ago. Of course I’m going to shut down dedicated dishonest propagandists the instant they show up.

Who is asking for PZ's charity? Is it a bestowing of his grace to respond to an argument presented? Still going with the delusion that he runs the go-to blog for all of Atheistdom.

Oh Bless His Heart.

[rayshul]

MEEEERRRY CHRISTMASSSS EVERYONE!!!!!

I slept all day because it's motherfucking hot. MOTHERFUCKING HOT UP IN HERE.

Ignore my above message unless someone can corroborate it. I've posted it in good faith out of concern and I don't really know what else to do.

That's a worry - have you tried to engage with them? I'm not sure if they're a member here.

[mordacious1]

Yeah, that Rover footage is great. It was filmed near my house when I lived in the Mojave Desert. [I'll get my coat]

[rayshul]

In what kind of circumstances are you refusing to rape women?

Not to pull a maiforpeace but I don't even understand his English.

[Mykeru]

Mordacious:

As for the slymepitters…they’ve lost all presumption of charity long, long ago. Of course I’m going to shut down dedicated dishonest propagandists the instant they show up.

Who is asking for PZ's charity? Is it a bestowing of his grace to respond to an argument presented? Still going with the delusion that he runs the go-to blog for all of Atheistdom.

Oh Bless His Heart.

Oh, those kids. They have too much fun in their bouncy castle.

http://www.asortofdiary.com/upload/Bouncy_Castle.jpg

[CommanderTuvok]

Re: Coffee Loving Skeptic

I too heard something about him getting into bother with his employers. I'd really love to know WHY, since AFAIA he hasn't actually done anything wrong other than to oppose and challenge the rhetoric of some radfems and troublemakers in the A/S movements. No doubt the Baboons would be delighted if they could take down a British Bobby, since they're "institutionally racist" and help promote and maintain teh patriarcheee!

Perhaps CLS could get Rhys arrested for harassing him and his employers. The little twerp.

[Shirley U. Guest]

How do you save threads again?

http://freethoughtblogs.com/rockbeyondb ... rinciples/

[xinit]

In the event anyone has something to meme Greg with, but lacks the Photoshop skills...

http://memegenerator.net/Gregladen

[Shirley U. Guest]

Freeze this one too: http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... ogosphere/

[AndrewV69]

As for the slymepitters…they’ve lost all presumption of charity long, long ago. Of course I’m going to shut down dedicated dishonest propagandists the instant they show up.

[bolding mine] So that's why he bans us? We're "dedicated dishonest propagandists"? Project much PeePee? It's not that some of us show up and disembowel your idiotic posts? And just when it becomes apparent that you're losing the argument, the banhammer shows up. I thought it was obvious to everyone, and from reading that thread at B&W, it appears you've banned non-slymers also for the same reason. You're a small weak pitiful little "man" PeePee (and most people other than your sycophants know it).[/quote]


Hmmmm. I was assuming that the reason he banned me the 1st. time was because I was a slymepitter.

Now I see that perhaps the banhammer went down it because it may have been that I disagreed with his proposition (if I remember his position correctly) that gays being free to not reproduce as a result of being allowed out of the closet will result in a diminishing percentage of the population.

My take, is that we will always have gay people among us, because the genetic expression that result in someone being gay is an inherent part of our geneset. Furthermore this appears to be common among animal populations also.

I believe I also expressed some caution about trying to eliminate these genes either (my thinking along these lines is that all the gay people I know are exceptionally talented in one area or another).

Anyway, my post to correct to link that informed my current suppositions (two papers) resulted in the ban.

Oh Dearie me! It never occurred to me that one of his pet peeves was that someone could dare to disagree with him and cite authoritative papers as evidence for the rational of the disagreement.

PeeZuss Christ!

(can not be arsed to dig up the link to the post right now. I will if one of you fucking hyperspectical homophobic mysognistic cunts demands it though).

[xinit]

Greg Laden libels:

Can someone screen cap this before Laden gets a clue?

For the record, Greg, I haven't written one review. Not one. And your horseshit is no different than a GOP flack who claims ant disagreement with their platform is "un-American". You clown.

Screencap: http://grab.by/ixT8

[franc]

Thanks, I know you guys aren't my minions but I'm on my crappy little netbook and I just had to capture that Laden Moment for posterity: Equal parts lies, bullshit, self-pity, paranoia and personal problems.

Many are thinking of you.

[justinvacula]

http://i.imgur.com/BdxYl.jpg

[xinit]

I don’t need you to buy the book. I’ll give you the book (an electronic copy of it) … all you have to do is ask.

That looks like payment for reviews to me. Lousy payment, but payment all the same. What happens to Amazon's cut when he does that? Is one of the formats he's offering Kindle? Y'know Amazon's proprietary format? That they own. Hmm, maybe not a good idea to copy your publisher in on Tweets about that Greg.

I hate to even appear to be siding with Nutbar Laden, but promo books for review is par for the course... Amazon doesn't own the content, they're not a publisher in the traditional sense, and they don't have power over the content or author in most cases. They definitely can't bar an author from emailing friends or reviewers epub or pdf or whatever versions of the book.

That said, I'm tempted to ask him for a copy to review...

[franc]

http://i.imgur.com/BdxYl.jpg

Crazy Cunt Lady

[franc]

I hate to even appear to be siding with Nutbar Laden, but promo books for review is par for the course...

That said, I'm tempted to ask him for a copy to review...

Do it. If only to run through a spelling/grammar/plagiarism checker.

[Lsuoma]

Laden isnt even being original. Anne Rice pulled an Amazon review freak-out eight years ago.

Also, Merry Christmas!!! I still feel like donkey balls. Worst cold I can remember having. Ugh.

If I had some, I'd send them to you, dear...

Get well soon.

[Sulaco]

Is a dishonest propagandist someone who tells the truth? A propagandist spread lies, so would I be lying about those lies if I am dishonest and telling the truth? Or am I telling a different set of lies to counter my own propaganda? Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense and requires more work for no noticeable benefit.

Did PZ get Laden to write that bit about being dedicated dishonest propagandists?

Well I am going to go with dishonest and propagandist cancelling each other out.

Yay! We're all dedicated to the spreading the truth when it comes to the FC (n)

Thanks PZ for this Festivus Miracle!

[Pitchguest]

So, it turns out that Greg Laden was actually correct about Griffiths' alleged begging for forgiveness. I just read it and I hate to say it, but it's pretty damn pathetic.

I never begged for forgiveness from Greg Laden. An hour or so after he sent me that threatening email, I replied with this. This is what he describes as incoherent drunken babbling.

• Please, this is hurtful man. Let’s talk on the phone tomorrow. I am apologizing, and I think you should realize that I am making rookie mistakes. I didn’t read the backchannel yet, though I assumed that it was okay to be stupid sometimes and then learn from mistakes.
  You ask if I ever killed anyone or if my actions ever lead anyone to their deaths. The answer is YES. Several people have died at my hands. I have almost killed myself from the guilt several times. I feel like a goddamned serial killer. And the blood on my hands is from well before my entry into the military.
  I was a heroin addict for several years. I introduced many people to heroin, people that are dead now. I was with people the day they died, I’ve shared needles with people that died. I joined the military to get away from this. “I’d be safer in Afghanistan,” I figured. I even gave a soldier their first hit when I relapsed during training (AIT). The last real friend I ever made was a soldier in 2008 that I unknowingly gave his first stamp of heroin. He’s now a junkie on the streets. He will die or go to jail that way, and I did that to him – a fellow soldier. All my friends are art-damaged punk rock junkies and I’m the one who fought back. I feel like a fucking serial killer with the clarity of sobriety. I refuse to make friends with people anymore.
  How about you help me with the apology. Start compiling names, and I’ll do it. Those slimers fucked it up worse than anything you could lob at me could. They are retarded. I was naïve.
  By the way, my infant daughter has been threatened by Christians. I get death threats quite regularly. I’m in the news more than most of you, and I open myself up to this stuff. I got a message saying “YOU LOST YOUR SOUL IT WILL BE PAINFUL!!! GOD BLESS YOUR FAMILY IN SPITE OF WHAT I’LL DO!!!”
  Lets talk tomorrow, brother. Please call me.
  Very respectfully,
  Justin Griffith

Source: http://www.freezepage.com/1356410336NSNYKVAWVP

Still, it looks like he's turned over a new leaf and finally beginning to smell the coffee. Stay tuned.

[Notung]

Let's not forget that (apparently) Justin himself posted on the original 'slimepit' for a while, after all that happened.

[Lsuoma]

So, it turns out that Greg Laden was actually correct about Griffiths' alleged begging for forgiveness. I just read it and I hate to say it, but it's pretty damn pathetic.

Source: http://www.freezepage.com/1356410336NSNYKVAWVP

Still, it looks like he's turned over a new leaf and finally beginning to smell the coffee. Stay tuned.

PeeZus Christ on a bike, but this is getting out of control. I feel really bad for Justin in a way - it sounds to me as though he's completely stressed out, and I would not be at all surprised if he's about to lose one of the things he regards as a valuable prop, viz. the "support" of the FfTB crown. Well, as more than one person has pointed out here, they are abusive and disgusting in the way they seem to me to be treating Justin. I hope he can do without them and gets away from them soon: they are acting like serial abusers.

What a shitty holiday season for him: yeah, I know he's for freedom from religion, and so am I, but this is still year end/solstice season, and only JWs and arseholes like that don't get to benefit from the season.

Justin - I think it's very likely you're reading the Pit, and if you want to chat and just vent, please feel free to email me. You have my personal email address - use that rather than PMing me here at the Pit. I can't guarantee to respond promptly, since I have seven flights in the next three days, but I'll get back to you when I can.

Best, Lsuoma...

[John Greg]

Regarding Laden's book, SunGoDingoBalls, and the reviews of it kerfuffle, I think one of the truly funniest things is, and this is coming from an individual who has made his living as a professional writer for the last 13 years, and who has published, along with several technical works, poetry, creative non-fiction (nominated for a Western Canada Magazine writer's award), and songs, well, shit, when a so-called professional writer, aka Greg Laden, misspells the title of his only published work of fiction....

Well, fuck, What can you say but that the guy is an intellectual fraud, a moral fossil, and thoroughly and completely nothing more, nor less, than a vivid joke. Greg Laden, fuck you (and the PeeZus you ride) into the ground. You are fucking hilarious.

And as for Toiletbowl (LousyCanuck) defending Laden, and then claiming he is not defending Laden, well, shucks, the stupid rarely burns so bright as it does on Toiletbowl's blog.

Darren said:

No, no, no. It was all about picking up chicks! 10 years and $24 billion so a few dozen astronauts could get laid. We'll never see the likes of those days again.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Love it.

re. Pitchguest at http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 200#p39170

Jesus Christ is everyone at FfTB and A+ a dedicated psycopathic damage zone? WTF?!?

[rayshul]

Sometimes I think the 'pit feels like those anti-cult communities. :/

[mordacious1]

http://i.imgur.com/BdxYl.jpg

Nobody told Opheliar about the black helicopters, I hope, and the phone taps, and the satellite surveillance?

[Lsuoma]

Sometimes I think the 'pit feels like those anti-cult communities. :/

Insightful.

[franc]

Let's not forget that (apparently) Justin himself posted on the original 'slimepit' for a while, after all that happened.

Also don't forget Justin's sidekicked who posted, and immediately deleted, this -

http://slymepit.eu5.org/jg/Dragged%20in ... elief.html

[Lsuoma]

BTW, for all the watchful people, the newly registered user oo.. is NOT oolon redivivus, thank Cthulhu.

[CommanderTuvok]

Funny that Ophelia recently trawled through Michael Shermer's back catalogue to find something tenuous to criticise him with. Funny that the Baboons monitor every little apostrophe and full stop Dawkins produces in a tweet, and go into a frenzy of lighting up the torches and grabbing the pitchforks if they think he has slighted them. These folks are the FIRST to produce a hit piece (usually replicated by other FfTB blogs promoting the same narritive) as soon as they smell a bit of blood, and are only too keen to get their mindless cult hordes posting all kinds of shitwankery.

[Struth]

Sometimes I think the 'pit feels like those anti-cult communities. :/

That's exactly what this is.

It's like an open source project, manned by kind-hearted altruistic volunteers and [selfish] people who enjoy exposing the stupid, for belly laughs.

We just get a little hit of dopamine for every tiny little thing we do, that obstructs their commercial success.

It's good because you can dip in and out of it. My source of information and news is @AngrySkepchick. It's the most concise summary of all the most important drama.

Their complaints about being monitored is a lot like.. how Scientology hates reporters and sends people to bug them, take their photos etc. They try to shame their watchdogs as 'obsessed' / 'stalkers'.

[Struth]

Either ignore Greggy Weggy or somehow get the PDF. Someone would need to get it for Kindle for desktop Mac, for example, and somehow copy/paste the text. Is it worth the effort? God no. (It would take less time/money to just buy it, but then you'd be giving him money)

Amazon aren't stupid. I bet they have anti-gaming algorithms.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5 ... _OU02_.jpg
BTW, there's also a UK listing on Amazon:

Note: instead of writing a review, you can add tags to the page. Also, one can 'Start a new discussion' if one wants to warn others about the gaming of reviews. (IMHO this is all so insignificant it's not worth the effort. Only do it if Patriarchy HQ ask you to).

PROTIP: Amazon UK logins work at the Amazon.com (USA) site (for writing review and up/down voting)

[Skep tickle]

Because the short fat prick reads here. The hero just posted this -

Once again, the Lord has made my enemies ridiculous

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... idiculous/

<snip>

Well, not that this outcome was hard to predict, but I'll brag anyway - did I call that or what? Creationist-style debate tactics par excellence by PZ.

I never went to that post, and I don't know how many people from here took Peezus up on his insincere trap of an offer. But any who did go (and I think at least one or two did) shouldn't have. Of course no matter what anyone said, he was going to gloat and ridicule, say no one brought any decent points up and dance around in front of all his grubby worshipers... just like the creationist leaders he learned this trick from. What the hell else did anyone expect from that dishonest fuck? Actual debate? Honest discussion? Serious consideration of points made by us? Really?

If anyone here did participate in that nonsense, hope y'all learned something. Re-read what Welch said about NMDs if you're not sure.

Keep your icing on, Cupcake. Don't try to corral me into that hive you've got going. No thanks on the Koolaid. ;) :D

Welch's NMD article/advice was great, but I don't see any point to trying to use ridicule when they say they want open dialogue (except when it's a repeated offer that has repeatedly fallen through on their end). Why not offer to engage, ideally on neutral territory but if not then wherever you can, to see...and show...how it goes? I've gotten cynical enough to suspect it's really really likely to fall through, whether they chicken out before it starts or instead pull out halfway through. Anything short of a reasonable exchange is likely to demonstrate their inadequacies as Skeptics To Admire. (cf Greg Laden as poster child for demonstration of said inadequacies)

Besides, it was quite satisfying to fall on my sword only by posing questions that anyone looking at PZ's post skeptically should have asked. And to be banned "with extreme prejudice" merely for associating here, without any more substance to the excuse for the ban than that? That was the piece de resistance, thankyouverymuch PZ for demonstrating - yet again and maybe plainly enough that a couple more of your readers (lurkers if not the regulars) saw your fear & loathing of open inquiry, as well as your hypocrisy, for what it is.

But then I have to deal with people, both in my administrative role & sometimes in my clinical role, who want something very different than I do and want to use me (patients or administrators) or screw me (administrators) to get it. Turns out overt ridicule doesn't work in those settings, you have to use the medium they're in - pretend to join in their efforts, even if it's only to find out more about what they want & why, then figure out what strategy to use to change the parameters of the situation to either serve what you see as the greater good, or at least to keep from getting screwed (or not as badly as would have happened if you hadn't been paying attention).

[Mr Danksworth]

[youtube]j9jbdgZidu8[/youtube]

MERRY FUCKING CHRISTMAS, YA CUNTS! Seriously though, you are all good shit. Best wishes to you and yours.

[Skep tickle]

Let's not forget that (apparently) Justin himself posted on the original 'slimepit' for a while, after all that happened.

Also don't forget Justin's sidekicked who posted, and immediately deleted, this -

http://slymepit.eu5.org/jg/Dragged%20in ... elief.html

Check the link? It's taking me to http://e.freewebhostingarea.com/not-found.html

[Al Stefanelli]

Justin Griffith is good people, AFAIA concerned. I've known him a long time. Pre -FTB days. He's a stand up guy, and has been through a world of shit. I read his blog post, and can tell you with certainty that he's not crazy or making shit up. I was there.

Oh, and I heard rumors that people were saying mean things about me on the internet. Here's a picture of me giving a fuck:

[Struth]

Melody's hero is a radfem called Mindy Nettifee. Her official site:

Code: Select all

http://www.thecultofmindy.com/

[youtube]i-aD9WrfWTM[/youtube]

This is my favorite poem by Mindy Nettifee. I share it often, hoping that it might speak to a woman that hasn’t given much thought to feminism.


I was in a very dark place more than a week ago and reached out to Mindy. Her emails are very much like her poetry, rhythmic and witty. She gave me nurturing yet empowering advice. :violin: Unfortunately, when I am in a deep dark place, no advice, no matter how good, can reach me. However, her kindness and thoughtfulness was a great comfort. :violin:

Melody on tumblr

(In this video, the cult of Mindy portrays females, such as Sarah Mayhew & Abbie Smith, as 'babies' who 'sound like idiots')

[Struth]

Re: that copper & UK radfems

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Gua ... bbins1.jpg

People who have the inclination and vitriol to make that copper's life difficult must surely also include Martin Robbins (who has a gig at The Guardian) [in addition to Skephick Tracy King, Rhys Morgan & Hayley Stevens]

I don't know if Robbins is a paid employee or a volunteer blogger. (To his credit, he has done some good writing w.r.t science issues). What I wonder is, if he's able to misuse his connections. He's a total twat; I recall he did his best to smear Vacula. We must give him the benefit of the doubt, assume he hasn't done anything underhand [in this case].

If only there was an effective way to let his employers know these claims are vexatious. Anyone fancy doing a Freedom of Information request [to that Copper's Police Force] (if appropriate)? Imagine if the paper trail actually lead back to one of them.

[Skep tickle]

My latest video:

An Atheist Cult: Those Radicals From Freethought Blogs, Atheism Plus, Etc.

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Good stuff Al, but something tells me all their going to hear is "...hate men and Caucasians..." and from there use it as evidence that you're indeed a racist and a sexist who fears having his 'privilege' attacked. From the looks of what Justin posted above this may already have happened. Nonetheless it's a needed message for lurkers to hear.

Just got a chance to watch it through. Good strong message, Al. Way to go.

Interesting how NonStampCollector is flailing wildly in the comments at youtube, claiming that you're tarring everyone at FtB with the same brush (though you specifically addressed in the video that you weren't. Couple of odd comments from NSC from ~4 hours ago:

Whatever you think is going on here with A+ and RadFem, will all go away. They are nothing.

Come on, man. Fifteen hours I've been waiting for you to tell me WHO is attacking Michael Shermer. Give me names. How hard is it? You're obviously very familiar with it. It must be widespread throughout FTB.

In fact, stats don't lie- tell us how many FTBers are "attacking" Shermer, divide that number by the number of blogs, i.e. 36, and multiply by 100 to get the percentage of FTB that is guilty of this unforgivable behaviour. That info will be so damning that FTB will likely shut down in shame.

[rayshul]

Sometimes I think the 'pit feels like those anti-cult communities. :/

That's exactly what this is.

It's like an open source project, manned by kind-hearted altruistic volunteers and [selfish] people who enjoy exposing the stupid, for belly laughs.

...snip...

Their complaints about being monitored is a lot like.. how Scientology hates reporters and sends people to bug them, take their photos etc. They try to shame their watchdogs as 'obsessed' / 'stalkers'.

Well there's that, but I notice there's a lot of outreach to people who are in danger of getting arsefucked by them or are on the verge of getting stalked. CLS issue is what made me say it. Although JG seems "at risk" now.

[Dick Strawkins]

Merry Pitmas!

http://i.imgur.com/lf4Bd.jpg

[rayshul]

I wouldn't work for an organisation that had a bunch of people talking absolute bogshit and behaving like that. Opinions are the fucking output of FtB, their word is their fucking product. So having NSC complain that it's not everyone doing that is like a journalist at the daily mail having a whine about it being too tabloidy. You don't have to agree with all opinions but when your cover boy is suggesting everyone who opposes him is a wannabe serial killer... I dunno. Fine if you don't care, or you need the money, or whatever. I just wouldn't try objecting.

[franc]

Let's not forget that (apparently) Justin himself posted on the original 'slimepit' for a while, after all that happened.

Also don't forget Justin's sidekicked who posted, and immediately deleted, this -

http://slymepit.eu5.org/jg/Dragged%20in ... elief.html

Check the link? It's taking me to http://e.freewebhostingarea.com/not-found.html

Try this -

http://slymepit.eu5.org/jg/rbb.html

[Steersman]

Merry Pitmas!

http://i.imgur.com/lf4Bd.jpg

Perfect! One might consider Santa Claus as an innoculation against more virulent forms of wishful thinking (aka, delusions). Too bad so many never made the connection – I always found it rather amazing in my discussions with various religious fundamentalists that virtually none of them could see the similarities between their religious sects and the literally thousands of another ones which had preceeded them over literally tens of thousands of years.

[Shirley U. Guest]

Does the name Priscilla Parker ring any bells?
http://rockbeyondbelief.com/2012/08/27/ ... f-and-die/

She's posting on Jason Blog... a total wackaloon: http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... ogosphere/

Poor Justin.

[rayshul]

Merry Pitmas!

http://i.imgur.com/lf4Bd.jpg

Perfect! One might consider Santa Claus as an innoculation against more virulent forms of wishful thinking (aka, delusions). Too bad so many never made the connection – I always found it rather amazing in my discussions with various religious fundamentalists that virtually none of them could see the similarities between their religious sects and the literally thousands of another ones which had preceeded them over literally tens of thousands of years.

You know, funny story about Santa. The only reason I'm not religious is I didn't quite work out religion was still a thing until quite late in life, but I did get Santa. I fucking believed in Santa. I prostelised for Santa. I went round at school finding kids who didn't believe in Santa and told them that they wouldn't get presents. I was fucking Santa's biggest schill. It kept going until I was about nine and I think one of the teachers probably brought it up with my parents and suggested I might be a little too old to believe and also I was aggressively promoting Santa in a way that was a weeee bit culty. Did not believe them when they eventually told me, went into a bit of a kiddy depression after discovering he wasn't real. Came out clean.

I would have made a fucking fantastic fundamentalist.

[franc]

Besides, it was quite satisfying to fall on my sword only by posing questions that anyone looking at PZ's post skeptically should have asked.

Here -

[John Greg]

Al Stefanelli at http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 200#p39185) said:

Justin Griffith is good people, AFAIA concerned. I've known him a long time. Pre -FTB days. He's a stand up guy, and has been through a world of shit. I read his blog post, and can tell you with certainty that he's not crazy or making shit up. I was there.

OK, that's fine; that's good. But, and considering your first-hand information, you should be able to authoritatively answer these questions:

1. Why is Justin Griffith such an on-again-off-again, not to mention two-faced, hypocrite about those of us who support him, never mind his ever changing, and panty-hiding story about us, Abbie/ERV, and the whole Laden insanity.

2. Why did he so aggressively dismiss all so-called SlymePit folks who supported him when he was butt-smacked by the egregious Lord PeeZuss?

3. Why is he now so cozy-comfortable with editing, deleting, and banning of people and their comments who bring up points of argument with which he is too uncomfortable to answer honestly (I mean seriously, "You cannot bring up past history as an argument"? -- give me a fucking critical thinking break please).

Seriously Al, I cannot dispute you, and I respect you, but what the fuck is going on with that viscerally obscene grovelling email that Justin Griffith sent to that obcsene and pathetic piece of shit Laden all about, if it is not just a blatant case of cave in, kiss ass, and beg for re-admition to the cult?

Seriously, mate, if you have so much valid first-hand info of his "good peopleness", please, fill us in with something substantial; something beyond "I like the guy".

[franc]

Merry Pitmas!

http://i.imgur.com/lf4Bd.jpg

http://oi50.tinypic.com/ixf6fa.jpg

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

John Greg:

Seriously Al, I cannot dispute you, and I respect you, but what the fuck is going on with that viscerally obscene grovelling email that Justin Griffith sent to that obcsene and pathetic piece of shit Laden all about, if it is not just a blatant case of cave in, kiss ass, and beg for re-admition to the cult?

I would bet on drunken false remorse. Happens to everyone. Franc's oicture above is a nice illustration of that phenomenon.

[Steersman]

Merry Pitmas!

http://i.imgur.com/lf4Bd.jpg

Perfect! One might consider Santa Claus as an innoculation against more virulent forms of wishful thinking (aka, delusions). Too bad so many never made the connection – I always found it rather amazing in my discussions with various religious fundamentalists that virtually none of them could see the similarities between their religious sects and the literally thousands of another ones which had preceeded them over literally tens of thousands of years.

You know, funny story about Santa. The only reason I'm not religious is I didn't quite work out religion was still a thing until quite late in life, but I did get Santa. I fucking believed in Santa. I prostelised for Santa. I went round at school finding kids who didn't believe in Santa and told them that they wouldn't get presents. I was fucking Santa's biggest schill. It kept going until I was about nine and I think one of the teachers probably brought it up with my parents and suggested I might be a little too old to believe and also I was aggressively promoting Santa in a way that was a weeee bit culty. Did not believe them when they eventually told me, went into a bit of a kiddy depression after discovering he wasn't real. Came out clean.

I would have made a fucking fantastic fundamentalist.

Interesting story. Reminds me that when I was about the same age I had already lost that “faith” without any trauma, but I seem to remember that my younger brother – by about 4 years – was quite distraught on finding that out – and he went on to become an evangelical if somewhat lukewarm Christian.

Although about 4 years later I remember going to a summer Bible camp – a place to park the kids for the summer more than anything else – and coming back somewhat “infected”. Fortunately I grew out of that, but one wonders why different people are variably affected or susceptible to that type of belief. Some author jested somewhat about a “gullibility gene”; maybe it’s a case that we are all entirely capable of becoming “fucking fantastic fundamentalists” [3F – I like that], but not all of us are exposed to those types of pernicious influences, or have them emphasized or amplified by parents, when they’re mostly likely to have those effects and consequences ….

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Sorry, after Gumby's masterful visual illustration of Lsuoma's assessment, I had to change my avatar again.

[franc]

Does the name Priscilla Parker ring any bells?
http://rockbeyondbelief.com/2012/08/27/ ... f-and-die/

She's posting on Jason Blog... a total wackaloon: http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... ogosphere/

Poor Justin.

Dunno, but she sounds like a piece of work... From her 'tardbook -

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Isn't Priscilla Parker Justin G's stalker? I might be wrong.

[Dick Strawkins]

Does the name Priscilla Parker ring any bells?
http://rockbeyondbelief.com/2012/08/27/ ... f-and-die/

She's posting on Jason Blog... a total wackaloon: http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... ogosphere/

Poor Justin.

As you say, a total wackaloon.
The trouble is, you really need to see her to be convinced of this. She writes with a slight degree of plausibility and unless you've seen the videos of her turning up at his house in the middle of the night, trying to get him back, you might think there's no smoke without fire.
As far as I can see Justin got drunk at a party and ended up going to bed with her. She's been stalking him ever since.
He's not completely innocent in the matter - unless you go by Rebecca Watsons definition of rape- in which case he's a rape victim.
I feel his days at FTB are numbered. Unfortunately he's not such a good writer or indeed thinker, that he'd be snapped up by another network, although it would be funny to see him move to Skeptic Ink, if only to see the reaction back at FTB land!

[Steersman]

I would consider Mykeru’s frequent posting and reference to the “Zvan-Laden sex tapes” over quite a lengthy period of time as harassment

Please document this "lengthy period of time" of which you speak because as I remember it, it was one day.

But then again, I'm just the guy who posted it and so can only give a subjective unreliable narrator account without the advantage of your apparent effortless omniscience.

Apparently you first posted the “sex tapes” here on Dec 14 and made a follow-up comment on them a little later in the day here. But according to Zvan’s post you tweeted them three times – once each on the 14th, 16th, and the 23rd.

Hardly a “period of time” of the same order of magnitude as, say, the life of the Earth, but, in comparison to the life of various topics on this and other message boards, I would consider a week or so to qualify as a “lengthy period of time”. And likewise with 5 times as “frequently”.

But I have to wonder what your purpose is for doing that. Just for the “lulz”? Achieving “serenity through viciousness” – for yourself maybe, although unlikely for many others? Sure doesn’t seem likely to convince anybody on the other side of the fence of the error of “their” ways or lead to any epiphanies about the wisdom of “ours”. Many unbiased, skeptical or uncommitted observers are, I think, more likely to see it as further evidence of some similarities with the feuding of the Hatfields and McCoys ….

[Skep tickle]

Does the name Priscilla Parker ring any bells?
http://rockbeyondbelief.com/2012/08/27/ ... f-and-die/

She's posting on Jason Blog... a total wackaloon: http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... ogosphere/

Poor Justin.

As you say, a total wackaloon.
The trouble is, you really need to see her to be convinced of this. She writes with a slight degree of plausibility and unless you've seen the videos of her turning up at his house in the middle of the night, trying to get him back, you might think there's no smoke without fire.
As far as I can see Justin got drunk at a party and ended up going to bed with her. She's been stalking him ever since.
He's not completely innocent in the matter - unless you go by Rebecca Watsons definition of rape- in which case he's a rape victim.
I feel his days at FTB are numbered. Unfortunately he's not such a good writer or indeed thinker, that he'd be snapped up by another network, although it would be funny to see him move to Skeptic Ink, if only to see the reaction back at FTB land!

Did RW ever specifically say this applied to men as well as women?

I'd hesitate to assume that she would apply it evenhandedly.

[Badger3k]

Isn't Priscilla Parker Justin G's stalker? I might be wrong.

Dick answered it already, but yeah, she's the crazed stalker. Perfect for someone like Lousy. Maybe she wants a new obsession?

Anyway, Justin G's new post (on principles) is an interesting read, and even if I haven't listened to his recordings of Greggie on the phone (not sure of legality of that, though, depends on the state), he at least got a little respect back from me. Still don't think I would personally like or trust him, but it is a small step in the right direction.

As for why he might have PZ at one of "his" events (something someone brought up a while back, and one I had considered earlier), simple - PZ does have a name, and for JG, the activism outweighs personal concerns. While we might see things differently, seeing the damage that association with PZ might do as more important than whatever name recognition or accessibility he might have, JG might see things differently. I can imagine having a concert where the main performers are stars but total assholes, and still have them perform despite that?. Maybe something along that line?

[Badger3k]

Does the name Priscilla Parker ring any bells?
http://rockbeyondbelief.com/2012/08/27/ ... f-and-die/

She's posting on Jason Blog... a total wackaloon: http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... ogosphere/

Poor Justin.

As you say, a total wackaloon.
The trouble is, you really need to see her to be convinced of this. She writes with a slight degree of plausibility and unless you've seen the videos of her turning up at his house in the middle of the night, trying to get him back, you might think there's no smoke without fire.
As far as I can see Justin got drunk at a party and ended up going to bed with her. She's been stalking him ever since.
He's not completely innocent in the matter - unless you go by Rebecca Watsons definition of rape- in which case he's a rape victim.
I feel his days at FTB are numbered. Unfortunately he's not such a good writer or indeed thinker, that he'd be snapped up by another network, although it would be funny to see him move to Skeptic Ink, if only to see the reaction back at FTB land!

Did RW ever specifically say this applied to men as well as women?

I'd hesitate to assume that she would apply it evenhandedly.

She wouldn't, unless she gained something from it, and then she'd switch back when it was inconvenient for her. She has no shred of honor or honesty in her.

[Skep tickle]

Laden isnt even being original. Anne Rice pulled an Amazon review freak-out eight years ago.

Also, Merry Christmas!!! I still feel like donkey balls. Worst cold I can remember having. Ugh.

If I had some, I'd send them to you, dear...

Get well soon.

Here's to ERV and Rystefn both to be feeling better soon. Sucks to be sick.

[Skep tickle]

Let's not forget that (apparently) Justin himself posted on the original 'slimepit' for a while, after all that happened.

Also don't forget Justin's sidekicked who posted, and immediately deleted, this

http://slymepit.eu5.org/jg/rbb.html

Interesting. I see the big disclaimer & apparently a chunk edited out (?) near the top.

It doesn't say he posted in the slimepit, what's there now could have just been from lurking. But these lines are in it & give an interesting picture of his view, at least at that time:

If ERV’s so-called slime pit were self-contained, that might be a perfect spot.

(Then goes on: "But it’s not self-contained at all!")

I like it when the slime-pitters call us names like PeeZus, etc. I like PZ a lot, but that’s pretty funny. I’m against idol-worship, autograph seeking, so I appreciated ‘PeeZus’. (Do I have a nickname yet?) But I don’t like the ‘Rebitchka Twatkins’ gender based slurs. I chuckled in a Beavis and Butthead manner the first time I saw it, but then I winced. I was like… NO! Abbie! Shit! Delete! They wont get it! Their brains aren’t desensitized by 4chan like ours. (A little later, I realized that desensitized might be synonymous with damaged in some sense.)

"Shit! Delete!" ?? Okay, maybe the slimepit was like a forbidden treat, a chance to read all these "bad werds!" without anyone knowing you're reading them, because you're uncomfortable with frank uncensored use of language. Hey, at least he didn't sully his post by using that idiotic term "FREEZE PEACH".

This language does have a place. The ‘greater’ atheist blogosphere is simply not one of those places.

As I think others have observed periodically, it seems like one of the problems is that some people are somehow so focused on "atheism" & don't see "skepticism" as part of it.

Did I just fall on my sword or on my face? It feels like I fell. Am I still somehow liked by both camps? Oh well, I spent way to long on this not to publish it.

(Bolding added, that line seems to suggest a need to belong) Then after he posted it he apparently spent way too long having to deal with the shit he was getting from FtB regulars so he went back & edited his post & closed comments. Seems to have acted as negative reinforcement, if this is pretty much the last time he referenced the 'pit.