Periodic Table of Swearing

Continuation of the post at Abbie Smith's ERV blog (http://scienceblogs.com/erv/)

Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Darren » Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:00 pm  •  [Post 36921]

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby John Brown » Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:02 pm  •  [Post 36922]

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What is this referring to? I'm afraid I've missed this particular kerfuffle.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Darren » Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:04 pm  •  [Post 36923]

It looks like Justin has retracted the portion of his post in which he claimed bluharmony doxxed herself...
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Darren » Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:07 pm  •  [Post 36924]

John Brown wrote:What is this referring to? I'm afraid I've missed this particular kerfuffle.


Just wait five minutes for the next one ;)

This one was an off-shoot of JG's attack on Laden in which he also took a swipe at bluharmony. I'm still trying to figure out for myself wat the whole story with blu is...
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Tigzy » Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:09 pm  •  [Post 36925]

John Brown wrote:Can anyone glean what's going on between @bluharmony and Justin Griffith on Twitter?


In a nutshell - Justin Griffith's latest blog post concerning Greg Laden's doxxing of Mykeru -http://freethoughtblogs.com/rockbeyondbelief/2012/12/23/greg-laden-posts-a-home-address-and-employer-contacts-for-online-rival/ - had a part where he claimed that Bluharmony gaslighted Laden and doxxed herself. This has since been edited by JG - Bluharmony, having presumably seen the unedited version, is therefore spitting razors over it.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby John Brown » Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:12 pm  •  [Post 36926]

Tigzy wrote:
John Brown wrote:Can anyone glean what's going on between @bluharmony and Justin Griffith on Twitter?


In a nutshell - Justin Griffith's latest blog post concerning Greg Laden's doxxing of Mykeru -http://freethoughtblogs.com/rockbeyondbelief/2012/12/23/greg-laden-posts-a-home-address-and-employer-contacts-for-online-rival/ - had a part where he claimed that Bluharmony gaslighted Laden and doxxed herself. This has since been edited by JG - Bluharmony, having presumably seen the unedited version, is therefore spitting razors over it.


Ah. Quite a dishonest move, that. Better to leave the offending post in tact and amend with a correction and an apology, rather than send it down the memory hole.

I understand I'm "preaching to the choir;" but, still...
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Tigzy » Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:12 pm  •  [Post 36927]

*Edit to my previous post - that should have been Laden's attempted doxxing of Mykeru. In typical inept fashion, Laden has actually doxxed a complete stranger.
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Postby mordacious1 » Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:13 pm  •  [Post 36928]

Al Stefanelli wrote:
My latest video:

An Atheist Cult: Those Radicals From Freethought Blogs, Atheism Plus, Etc.


Al, did you light a cigarette and then talk for 11 minutes without taking a puff? I guess that's one way of cutting back on smoking.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Ape+lust » Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:15 pm  •  [Post 36929]

Haw! There goes Ophelia again - Al's video has "ragey rage."

Mykeru's comic affectation was "vibrating with rage." You'd probably have to mop the floor if she ever heard a Pathe newsreel. I guess anyone more animated than her mopey demeanor is a rager. RAAAAAGER.

Ophelia wrote:I’m breaking my usual rule of ignoring it to check the veracity of Al’s claims about the sp at the end of his video.


"I’m breaking my usual rule of ignoring it before breakfast to check the veracity of Al’s claims about the sp at the end of his video."

FTFY.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby welch » Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:19 pm  •  [Post 36930]

papillon wrote:
Greg (General ass kicker) Laden wrote:… I do not regard physical threats as unimportant. It is just that I am a very large, muscular man with martial arts training who never goes anywhere without my pit bull, and I always carry a gun. I am also famous for kicking ass, generally.


Greg (General ass kicker) Laden wrote:I may or may not have exaggerated about the pit bull, the gun, and the marshal arts.


....and your talent as a writer.


I dunno, if he starts singing Gilbert & Sullivan at me, I'd run like hell.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Pitchguest » Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:28 pm  •  [Post 36931]

justinvacula wrote:Response to Al's video:

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The difference is that the white males on Al's "hate list" happen to be white and happen to be male. Race and gender doesn't enter into it. However, in non-plussedville it's white privilege and male privilege. The bad guys in their little fairytale are white males in various forms, old, able-bodied, heterosexual. While in Al's case (and I'm speaking unequivocally here) it's because they're insufferable douchecanoes up shit creek.

Besides, isn't patriarchy a two-way street? According to feminist theory, men suffer, too. Okay, so why are they always the culprits?

Oh, and isn't it amusing that "white" and "male" privilege is considered the highest form of privilege, owing the right to speak on whatever (making the argument that people who aren't white and male can't), yet as soon as you speak on an issue with the wrong opinion (in their eyes) and happen to be white and male (and old, as that counts too) that right is immediately revoked? As a sign of your "white" and "male" privilege?

In other words, that the opinion would carry more weight were you not white but black and not male but female?

Do the minorities in the community endorse FTB in this antic of infantilizing them?
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby welch » Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:36 pm  •  [Post 36932]

Mr Danksworth wrote:Response from Justin to Tigzy....
Justin Griffith response:
This will be the only comment I let through like this.

To the anti-FTB: people I vehemently disagree that ‘all of FtB’ supports Laden. Initially, I even gave off signals that they didn’t have to publicly ‘have my back’. The only reason they may have even entertained not dropping him was because nothing like that had ever happened before, and hindsight is 20/20. You’ll never know how great Ed Brayton was to me on the phone. You’ll never know how many of the people here privately wrote to me in support. It really meant a lot to me, and you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Yeah, there are like two people here on cordial terms with him… that’s a pretty good percentage for a group of people connected only by atheism.

Several of my co-bloggers who you describe as not giving a shit about military activism have agreed to speak at military bases, or even joined the lineup at RBB2. Your premise is just wrong. When you say they don’t even care about skepticism anymore, you’re also talking about me. You’re also talking about people who never claimed to care about skepticism. Some are biblical scholars, scientists, or philosophers. Some write about sexuality and gender issues, we even have a drunken chef who likes good music. It’s not a perfect harmonious family, but what the hell did you expect?

I messed up a bit too. I pissed them off and I apologized. I also accidentally allowed people to freely shitting on my friends here. I am much better at moderating comments now. Though you didn’t say this, I want to address one last point. I don’t see why people think it’s for the $ or the hits. I donate every penny to charity / activism, and it isn’t that much.

To the anti-Justin Griffith people:Conversely, the other side of the narrative is off too. You’ll never know how many top-tier atheists wrote to me in confidence, expressing their condolences at my treatment. You’ll never know how I detested being fit into the ‘slyme pit’ narrative, appearing on their ‘body count list’ etc. Few of you will ever know the stresses of dealing with multiple credible death threats, and how an activist with my level of visibility simply has to take all of them seriously and let the FBI make the call. You likely won’t realize the extreme restraint I used, and part of me still regrets not doing so. Like I said, I wouldn’t expect somebody like Laden to fight fair, it doesn’t take a genius to ambush somebody.

If you give a shit about harassment, threats, and mental health issues like PTSD, what is your deal? Stop it.

To everyone: Do not rehash the elevator gate, or talk about why you hate RW, or shit like that. Do not respond to it if it gets by me temporarily. I’m going to heavily moderate this discussion. It is what it is. Stay only on the topic of the content of this post. Or don’t comment if you can’t hold back.


I'm steadily getting to where I have no fucks to give about Justin or his fucking "cause". I didn't have a problem with him disassociating from the 'pit before, I understood why. But his latest round is coming up self-serving as fuck, and almost a bit oolonish in terms of playing both sides. He's also coming across as kind of stupid and desperate:

To the anti-FTB: people I vehemently disagree that ‘all of FtB’ supports Laden. Initially, I even gave off signals that they didn’t have to publicly ‘have my back’. The only reason they may have even entertained not dropping him was because nothing like that had ever happened before, and hindsight is 20/20. You’ll never know how great Ed Brayton was to me on the phone. You’ll never know how many of the people here privately wrote to me in support. It really meant a lot to me, and you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Yeah, there are like two people here on cordial terms with him… that’s a pretty good percentage for a group of people connected only by atheism.


So you're the fat chick they'll fuck, but when anyone else is around, they don't know you. Awesome dude, way to rock the self-esteem. I guess as long as they wash their dicks after they pull out of your ass, but before they jizz on your face, it shows they really care. Okay, they call you a fat fucking cow when their friends are around, but they always lube you up before anal, so they really respect you.

ANYone can be brave in private. Other than Hallq in ONE post on Abbie's Facebook, and Brayton saying he canned laden, exactly how many of those fuckers, in public and on their sites, explicitly stood up for you?

Yeah, you go ahead and count that up. I'd love to be wrong, I doubt I am.

They all stand by you, through tuck and thin...as long as no one knows about it. I don't know what I'm talking about? Maybe so, but I know the difference between someone being brave even in public and someone who only goes out with you to places no one they know will ever show up. The question is, do you?

Maybe Justin, maybe if you suck his dick enough, PZ will even talk to you nice in public.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby welch » Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:48 pm  •  [Post 36933]

Gefan wrote:I apologize in advance for exceeding my non-existant seniority around here but maybe it's time we all back away from Greg Laden.
I don't know that much about him but he seems to be (a) increasingly emotionally fragile and (b) rendered harmless by his own sheer ineptitude. How far does someone's life have to progress down the crapper for them to start pining for the Stephalump for fuck's sake?
I don't know what the end-game is here and I don't have any desire to drive him to suicide. Aside from anything else, I'd miss the entertainment.

And, because I can't be bothered to do it myself, whoever wants to post the inevitable, Chris Crocker "Leave Greg Alone" picture, you have my blessing.


Greg wanted to play Internet badass. He made that decision. That it now bites him in the sack is of little worry to me. I'd be quite happy were he to start blogging about, you know, science on his scienceblogs site and stop being so fucking creepy towards Abbie. But if he wants to play double-down douche, fine with me, I'll play. There are 7B people in the world. Laden or me or really anyone being gone because they couldn't take the shit they doled out is not even a trajedi, much less a tragedy. He wants this crusade, he can have alllll of it.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ReneeHendricks » Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:53 pm  •  [Post 36934]

[quote="Al Stefanelli"]My latest video:

An Atheist Cult: Those Radicals From Freethought Blogs, Atheism Plus, Etc.

(look up the vid)/quote]

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ReneeHendricks » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:02 pm  •  [Post 36935]

Gefan wrote:I apologize in advance for exceeding my non-existant seniority around here but maybe it's time we all back away from Greg Laden.
I don't know that much about him but he seems to be (a) increasingly emotionally fragile and (b) rendered harmless by his own sheer ineptitude. How far does someone's life have to progress down the crapper for them to start pining for the Stephalump for fuck's sake?
I don't know what the end-game is here and I don't have any desire to drive him to suicide. Aside from anything else, I'd miss the entertainment.

And, because I can't be bothered to do it myself, whoever wants to post the inevitable, Chris Crocker "Leave Greg Alone" picture, you have my blessing.


I have no desire to push someone to the point of Stephalump. However, reading over Greg Laden's tweets and posts, yeah, there's no way this guy is anywhere near this edge (though I could be wrong). He is a sad little man attempting to flex is flaccid muscles in order to make the likes of Watson and Benson squeal. I'm sure he's accomplished this thus far so maybe would *could* back off in our honesty.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby rayshul » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:06 pm  •  [Post 36936]

Punker wrote:I hope that the people posting these book reviews have actually read the book


Believe it or not, I actually have a bookmark that goes straight to his book in my tabs on this computer. I use it as a reference for helping people to write and to think about what they're writing - it's a great example of "what not to do".

I think a fair number of 'pitters read the book - it was disected a month or so ago when it first came out.
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Re: TasLOLma on outdated rape culture and the new gangrape c

Postby astrokid.nj » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:10 pm  •  [Post 36937]

John Brown wrote:I've been following this story for the past few days. It's quite remarkable and I believe the whole event and the aftermath speaks volumes. Rape is so abhorrent that a documented, public case of it is enough to trigger mass protests, to the point where the police are needed to gas and beat back the mob.

It seems to me that the reaction should be heartening to feminists world wide, especially since it's happening in a country which is quite literally patriarchal in nature (though not nearly as much as it was even in the recent past).

Now, imagine if it were a man not being gang raped, but brutally murdered by a gang of people on the street.

What would the reaction be to that?

I am an Indian living in the US for several years now. I saw through the feminist bullshit "historical oppression of women" narrative quite easily because of my background.. growing up in India, in simpler times in a collectivist system.. joint families and no runaway individualism. No points for guessing who absorbs all the violence (sample), who gets all the responsibilities such as providing for the family..including parents. Any shirking of responsibilities will earn you social shaming. They have even set up a law now whereby old parents can sue their children-with-means if they dont take care of parents in old age. Sure there's loads of crime, but by and large if you mess with a woman against her will, her brothers or father or white knights will bash you up.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ReneeHendricks » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:11 pm  •  [Post 36938]

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Ed Brayton's had some heart surgery, and has now realized that his and Meyers's vanity project ain't gonna cover his down time.

So, he's gone the Greta route and has the begging bowl out:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2012/12/23/how-can-you-help/


I saw that and opted to just be quiet. It's over the fucking top irritating because Ed will not lose much money in the whole scheme of things. I know that my guy and I most likely make less than he and his...yet, we would never, ever feel the need to beg publicly for money. I let it go by with Greta but this is just the beggar's fucking straw. I have no compassion left for these people. And I have to say it's completely because of my own personal code of ethics. Ed and Greta just fucking stomped all over that code.
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Re: TasLOLma on outdated rape culture and the new gangrape c

Postby John Brown » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:15 pm  •  [Post 36939]

astrokid.nj wrote:
John Brown wrote:I've been following this story for the past few days. It's quite remarkable and I believe the whole event and the aftermath speaks volumes. Rape is so abhorrent that a documented, public case of it is enough to trigger mass protests, to the point where the police are needed to gas and beat back the mob.

It seems to me that the reaction should be heartening to feminists world wide, especially since it's happening in a country which is quite literally patriarchal in nature (though not nearly as much as it was even in the recent past).

Now, imagine if it were a man not being gang raped, but brutally murdered by a gang of people on the street.

What would the reaction be to that?

I am an Indian living in the US for several years now. I saw through the feminist bullshit "historical oppression of women" narrative quite easily because of my background.. growing up in India, in simpler times in a collectivist system.. joint families and no runaway individualism. No points for guessing who absorbs all the violence (sample), who gets all the responsibilities such as providing for the family..including parents. Any shirking of responsibilities will earn you social shaming. They have even set up a law now whereby old parents can sue their children-with-means if they dont take care of parents in old age. Sure there's loads of crime, but by and large if you mess with a woman against her will, her brothers or father or white knights will bash you up.


Interesting. I'll have to read through the links and rectify my ignorance on the matter. I admittedly know very little about Indian culture and was relying on "conventional wisdom" when I spoke about their "patriarchal system."

My expertise lies a bit to the northeast in China.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Lsuoma » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:16 pm  •  [Post 36940]

ReneeHendricks wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Ed Brayton's had some heart surgery, and has now realized that his and Meyers's vanity project ain't gonna cover his down time.

So, he's gone the Greta route and has the begging bowl out:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2012/12/23/how-can-you-help/


I saw that and opted to just be quiet. It's over the fucking top irritating because Ed will not lose much money in the whole scheme of things. I know that my guy and I most likely make less than he and his...yet, we would never, ever feel the need to beg publicly for money. I let it go by with Greta but this is just the beggar's fucking straw. I have no compassion left for these people. And I have to say it's completely because of my own personal code of ethics. Ed and Greta just fucking stomped all over that code.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby mikelf » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:19 pm  •  [Post 36941]

welch wrote:I'm steadily getting to where I have no fucks to give about Justin or his fucking "cause". I didn't have a problem with him disassociating from the 'pit before, I understood why. But his latest round is coming up self-serving as fuck, and almost a bit oolonish in terms of playing both sides. He's also coming across as kind of stupid and desperate:


I think Justin has a strong need to belong. I seem to recall that he was pretty messed up before joining the military. The structure and emphasis on unit probably is really good for him and he pays it back with extreme loyalty. I suspect the same type of thing is going on with him over at FTB.

Ed Brayton was probably one of the first, if not the first, big name atheist to champion his (Justin's) cause way back in the Scienceblog days. I can see where he could have a great deal of loyalty to Ed and FTB (as Ed's brainchild.) Being told in private that the others have his back really plays off his sense of unit and loyalty. I don't think he gets that the fact that they aren't willing to say anything in public is the tell with regard to how they really feel about him and how far (not far) they'll go to support him. If he ever cottons on to that fact, it will get ugly.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Guest » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:21 pm  •  [Post 36942]

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby jimthepleb » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:23 pm  •  [Post 36943]

above post mine..apologies not signed in...again
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby rayshul » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:23 pm  •  [Post 36944]

Fuck, I hate it when people fuck with blu. She's such a nice person. Just a really nice goodnatured person. She doesn't deserve that shit. Especially as it doesn't seem even fucking relevant.

I am also not super down with fucking with Laden because when people have nothing to lose they go a bit nuts and also because, well, he's now reduced to a really pathetic situation. While he's not homeless yet I'd still think of him with the same level of sympathy at this point (despite earlier being repulsed). If his behavior becomes too erratic and it looks like he's in danger of hurting himself, I think it would be good to contact someone who might be able to help him reorganise/refocus.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby jimthepleb » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:24 pm  •  [Post 36945]

i thought stef-e-lump was a smack-head in a previous life?
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby rayshul » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:30 pm  •  [Post 36946]

Aw fuck I can't help myself. From his bio:

Greg Laden was born in Albany New York and subsequently lived in the Boston area and Milwaukee and spent a total of several years in Zaire (now Congo) and South Africa.


How many years in total? Hard to say.

OKAY, I AM A HYPOCRITE, I ADMIT IT BUT FUCK. FUCK.

ReneeHendricks wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Ed Brayton's had some heart surgery, and has now realized that his and Meyers's vanity project ain't gonna cover his down time.

So, he's gone the Greta route and has the begging bowl out:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2012/12/23/how-can-you-help/


I saw that and opted to just be quiet. It's over the fucking top irritating because Ed will not lose much money in the whole scheme of things. I know that my guy and I most likely make less than he and his...yet, we would never, ever feel the need to beg publicly for money. I let it go by with Greta but this is just the beggar's fucking straw. I have no compassion left for these people. And I have to say it's completely because of my own personal code of ethics. Ed and Greta just fucking stomped all over that code.


I don't even understand them asking for money at this point. They live in the US, do they want people to pay for their entire surgery experience? Are they trying to avoid medical debt entirely? I kind of assumed that most people just like... accept it, work out a mortgagey style plan with their bank/whatever, and live with it... or something.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ReneeHendricks » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:34 pm  •  [Post 36947]

rayshul wrote:Aw fuck I can't help myself. From his bio:

Greg Laden was born in Albany New York and subsequently lived in the Boston area and Milwaukee and spent a total of several years in Zaire (now Congo) and South Africa.


How many years in total? Hard to say.

OKAY, I AM A HYPOCRITE, I ADMIT IT BUT FUCK. FUCK.

ReneeHendricks wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Ed Brayton's had some heart surgery, and has now realized that his and Meyers's vanity project ain't gonna cover his down time.

So, he's gone the Greta route and has the begging bowl out:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2012/12/23/how-can-you-help/


I saw that and opted to just be quiet. It's over the fucking top irritating because Ed will not lose much money in the whole scheme of things. I know that my guy and I most likely make less than he and his...yet, we would never, ever feel the need to beg publicly for money. I let it go by with Greta but this is just the beggar's fucking straw. I have no compassion left for these people. And I have to say it's completely because of my own personal code of ethics. Ed and Greta just fucking stomped all over that code.


I don't even understand them asking for money at this point. They live in the US, do they want people to pay for their entire surgery experience? Are they trying to avoid medical debt entirely? I kind of assumed that most people just like... accept it, work out a mortgagey style plan with their bank/whatever, and live with it... or something.


I think it has more to do with "I'll be out of work and not paid so give me money to compensate". Fucking irritating beyond belief.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby rayshul » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:39 pm  •  [Post 36948]

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rayshul wrote: don't even understand them asking for money at this point. They live in the US, do they want people to pay for their entire surgery experience? Are they trying to avoid medical debt entirely? I kind of assumed that most people just like... accept it, work out a mortgagey style plan with their bank/whatever, and live with it... or something.


I think it has more to do with "I'll be out of work and not paid so give me money to compensate". Fucking irritating beyond belief.


They all need to learn fucking saving and financial responsibility and shit.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Lsuoma » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:42 pm  •  [Post 36949]

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So you're the fat chick they'll fuck, but when anyone else is around, they don't know you. Awesome dude, way to rock the self-esteem. I guess as long as they wash their dicks after they pull out of your ass, but before they jizz on your face, it shows they really care. Okay, they call you a fat fucking cow when their friends are around, but they always lube you up before anal, so they really respect you.



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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Gefan » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:45 pm  •  [Post 36950]

jimthepleb wrote:i thought stef-e-lump was a smack-head in a previous life?


Doubtful. Junkies tend to be skinny.
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Re: AL

Postby Al Stefanelli » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:50 pm  •  [Post 36951]

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Al, did you light a cigarette and then talk for 11 minutes without taking a puff? I guess that's one way of cutting back on smoking.


In fact, I did. Lmao. I smoked two afterward, just to catch up.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby franc » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:51 pm  •  [Post 36952]

Is it just me? Go to google and search tubgirls place using the string format -

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First I thought I picked up some browser hijacker, but I haven't - only his site barf's up this shit.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Gefan » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:55 pm  •  [Post 36953]

ReneeHendricks wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Ed Brayton's had some heart surgery, and has now realized that his and Meyers's vanity project ain't gonna cover his down time.

So, he's gone the Greta route and has the begging bowl out:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2012/12/23/how-can-you-help/


I saw that and opted to just be quiet. It's over the fucking top irritating because Ed will not lose much money in the whole scheme of things. I know that my guy and I most likely make less than he and his...yet, we would never, ever feel the need to beg publicly for money. I let it go by with Greta but this is just the beggar's fucking straw. I have no compassion left for these people. And I have to say it's completely because of my own personal code of ethics. Ed and Greta just fucking stomped all over that code.


Shit. When I first heard about your partner's medical situation I asked if you had a Paypal account. If you took offense to that, I apologize.

Regarding Laden, "drive someone to Stephalump" should become part of the lexicon. Also, I don't think he will, as Mykeru put it, "put a bullet through his brain" because I very much doubt he's that good a shot.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby BarnOwl » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:59 pm  •  [Post 36954]

real horrorshow wrote:Which is about my position on the 'Greg Laden may be close to the edge' notion. It's also my position on Ed Brayton:
So, Black and Decker to the sternum and they are shocked to find a ton of fluid in my chest, pushing down on my heart and lungs and making my heart go into overdrive to keep oxygen in my system. They do a biopsy on the lymph nodes, clean things up, install three chest tubes and sew me back up. Sometime in the middle of the night, I ripped out my ventilator tube (I told them that better not be on my bill, I did it myself). As for what caused all of this, that’s still not certain.



IANACS*, but several things about this story don't seem quite right, or at least seem exaggerated for dramatic effect. First of all, a morbidly obese person with an unhealthy lifestyle has had "open heart surgery", lymph node biopsies, and three chest tubes placed, and is blogging away merrily just a few days later? I'd believe that a sternal window was made and fluid drained from his thorax, but I'm having trouble with the "open heart surgery" part, which I associate with coronary artery bypass, aneurysm repair, valve replacement, heart transplant, or correction of a congenital heart defect. I'm thinking sternum sawed in half, rib spreaders, heart-lung machine, the whole bloody nine yards, and I don't think that's what Ed had. Call me hyper-skeptical. Also call me a person who worked as a nurse aide on a cardiovascular floor for the pre- and post-op patients of a certain Dr. M.E. DeBakey. Patients who came back to the floor from the ICU after having open heart surgery wouldn't have been up to the task of blogging for the first few days, had such a thing existed ... I know, because I was usually the one who had to convince them and help them to sit up on the edge of the bed ("dangle") and then walk the first time post-op. All of that would have been even more difficult, complicated, and prolonged for a patient who was Ed's size.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ReneeHendricks » Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:02 pm  •  [Post 36955]

rayshul wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:
rayshul wrote: don't even understand them asking for money at this point. They live in the US, do they want people to pay for their entire surgery experience? Are they trying to avoid medical debt entirely? I kind of assumed that most people just like... accept it, work out a mortgagey style plan with their bank/whatever, and live with it... or something.


I think it has more to do with "I'll be out of work and not paid so give me money to compensate". Fucking irritating beyond belief.


They all need to learn fucking saving and financial responsibility and shit.


Here's what bugs the living shit out of me - my guy may very well have to deal with some awful shit. He'll still go to work nearly every day he's able. Even if he's dragging ass, feels like shit, everything hurts, he'll still go to work. People like Greta and Ed? They'd rather beg for money. And that hits me on some serious levels now.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Lsuoma » Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:06 pm  •  [Post 36956]

franc wrote:Is it just me? Go to google and search tubgirls place using the string format -

site:tuibguy.com searchterm

First I thought I picked up some browser hijacker, but I haven't - only his site barf's up this shit.

http://oi48.tinypic.com/xcu26v.jpg

Curious for someone else to try.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ReneeHendricks » Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:08 pm  •  [Post 36957]

Gefan wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Ed Brayton's had some heart surgery, and has now realized that his and Meyers's vanity project ain't gonna cover his down time.

So, he's gone the Greta route and has the begging bowl out:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2012/12/23/how-can-you-help/


I saw that and opted to just be quiet. It's over the fucking top irritating because Ed will not lose much money in the whole scheme of things. I know that my guy and I most likely make less than he and his...yet, we would never, ever feel the need to beg publicly for money. I let it go by with Greta but this is just the beggar's fucking straw. I have no compassion left for these people. And I have to say it's completely because of my own personal code of ethics. Ed and Greta just fucking stomped all over that code.


Shit. When I first heard about your partner's medical situation I asked if you had a Paypal account. If you took offense to that, I apologize.

Regarding Laden, "drive someone to Stephalump" should become part of the lexicon. Also, I don't think he will, as Mykeru put it, "put a bullet through his brain" because I very much doubt he's that good a shot.


Oh! No offense at all!! The thing is, my guy and I are used to doing things with very little, if we have to. Neither of us will look toward family or whatever for financial help. It's the way we are and the way we were brought up. I appreciate it when people offer to help, believe me. But it's very hard to take.

A similar but different take on being given funds voluntaritly - my middle daughter has received a lot of extra money recently for a little bit of her artwork and we've had to reconcile our feelings on this. She knows that the money she's received is to go to things to further her art. But, still, it's hard to reconcile. She has been working extra hard to feel as though she's earned that money.

I suppose it has to do with how one is brought up. If you have everything given to you, you almost expect it later in life. If you've worked very hard for what you have, you don't tend to ask for hand-outs.

I hope this makes sense and I want you to know that no offense at all was taken :)
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby real horrorshow » Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:10 pm  •  [Post 36958]

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I am also not super down with fucking with Laden because when people have nothing to lose they go a bit nuts and also because, well, he's now reduced to a really pathetic situation. While he's not homeless yet I'd still think of him with the same level of sympathy at this point (despite earlier being repulsed). If his behavior becomes too erratic and it looks like he's in danger of hurting himself, I think it would be good to contact someone who might be able to help him reorganise/refocus.

I don't know what Laden's financial situation is. That apartment in his building was going for $829 (per month I guess), but that was a one bedroom, maybe the Laden's have one one of the larger flats. Apparently $829 is below average in his home town, which is a tough place to rent. I don't know how that compares with the US generally. His previous place looked nicer and the one before that was much nicer. So maybe he is coming down in the world.

None of that, however has anything to do with the man's mental health issues - and that's assuming he has any. Nor does it have to do with the way he behaves. Maybe he has some diagnosable condition, but I can't diagnose it. Certainly not from here. I'm left to judge by the only reliable, objective criteria I have: his conduct; the image of himself he chooses to project. From those data, I conclude he's a sack of shit. If there's reasonable insurance to provide for his NOK, I'd say his death would be a net benefit to the world.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ReneeHendricks » Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:11 pm  •  [Post 36959]

Voluntaritly - LOL Ok, I'm off to bed. Clearly I can't type or spell at the moment :D
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Steersman » Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:11 pm  •  [Post 36960]

rayshul wrote:Fuck, I hate it when people fuck with blu. She's such a nice person. Just a really nice goodnatured person. She doesn't deserve that shit. Especially as it doesn't seem even fucking relevant.


You mean the previous [now deleted] comments from JG about Maria “doxing herself”? I think JG recognized that that was a mistake and removed the statements. However, as someone else pointed out, that seems somewhat worse than useless – I likewise figure JG should have left the offending comment there and then have fallen on his sword – figuratively speaking – in apologizing for his error. But I agree with you about Maria.

However, in passing, I think that illustrates some problems with the Internet: things get published that are erroneous or open to misinterpretation, but when corrections are made some people still continue to work on the basis of that incorrect information or, in some cases, fail to retract their own erroneous statements made in consequence on that basis. Tends to cause a rapid decrease in the quality of various conversations. In particular, I’m reminded of the SPLC’s condemnation of A Voice for Men as a “hate site”, when they subsequently, more or less, retracted that. However, that hasn’t prevented many, including PZ, from continuing to use that characterization.

I am also not super down with fucking with Laden because when people have nothing to lose they go a bit nuts and also because, well, he's now reduced to a really pathetic situation. ….


Tend to agree with that as well. While Laden seems definitely to have crossed the line in the doxing department, some of the attacks against him are starting to show some similarities with bear-baiting; gratuitous savagery ….
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ThreeFlangedJavis » Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:21 pm  •  [Post 36961]

Rayshul:
I am also not super down with fucking with Laden because when people have nothing to lose they go a bit nuts and also because, well, he's now reduced to a really pathetic situation. While he's not homeless yet I'd still think of him with the same level of sympathy at this point (despite earlier being repulsed). If his behavior becomes too erratic and it looks like he's in danger of hurting himself, I think it would be good to contact someone who might be able to help him reorganise/refocus.


Nah! You're overthinking this. He's behaving like a textbook bully. It's actually banal as hell the way he resorts to threats and self important bluster. He's not cracking up, he's just an emotional toddler who doesn't get how transparent he is.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ThreeFlangedJavis » Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:32 pm  •  [Post 36962]

Horrors:
I don't know what Laden's financial situation is. That apartment in his building was going for $829 (per month I guess), but that was a one bedroom, maybe the Laden's have one one of the larger flats. Apparently $829 is below average in his home town, which is a tough place to rent. I don't know how that compares with the US generally. His previous place looked nicer and the one before that was much nicer. So maybe he is coming down in the world.


Tired and couldn't be arsed to wrack the noggin, but I read the suggestion somewhere today that Lardyarse's current address info is being telegraphed like he's begging someone to do a Lardy on him. Could it be fake info?
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby BarnOwl » Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:36 pm  •  [Post 36963]

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:Horrors:
I don't know what Laden's financial situation is. That apartment in his building was going for $829 (per month I guess), but that was a one bedroom, maybe the Laden's have one one of the larger flats. Apparently $829 is below average in his home town, which is a tough place to rent. I don't know how that compares with the US generally. His previous place looked nicer and the one before that was much nicer. So maybe he is coming down in the world.


Tired and couldn't be arsed to wrack the noggin, but I read the suggestion somewhere today that Lardyarse's current address info is being telegraphed like he's begging someone to do a Lardy on him. Could it be fake info?


My Google-fu yielded different results, FWIW.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Sulaco » Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:46 pm  •  [Post 36964]

A dark and stormy night? Really Greg plagiarizing Snoopy/Charles Schultz. Sad, just sad. No, make that contemptible.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Pitchguest » Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:47 pm  •  [Post 36965]

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:Rayshul:
I am also not super down with fucking with Laden because when people have nothing to lose they go a bit nuts and also because, well, he's now reduced to a really pathetic situation. While he's not homeless yet I'd still think of him with the same level of sympathy at this point (despite earlier being repulsed). If his behavior becomes too erratic and it looks like he's in danger of hurting himself, I think it would be good to contact someone who might be able to help him reorganise/refocus.


Nah! You're overthinking this. He's behaving like a textbook bully. It's actually banal as hell the way he resorts to threats and self important bluster. He's not cracking up, he's just an emotional toddler who doesn't get how transparent he is.


Heh. I don't know why, but this reminds me of that scene in Sicko where Michael Moore sends a check to his cyberstalker with a dedicated hate site to Moore to pay for his wife's hospital bills. It was either pay her bills or close down the site, to which the kicker was, "Fuck you, Michael Moore" - Michael saw that, sent a hefty check and the guy's still blogging.

The punchline being the suggestion of doing the same thing for Greg. Get him back on his feet so he can keep blogging and keep being a doxxing wankstain.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby franc » Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:50 pm  •  [Post 36966]

rayshul wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:
rayshul wrote: don't even understand them asking for money at this point. They live in the US, do they want people to pay for their entire surgery experience? Are they trying to avoid medical debt entirely? I kind of assumed that most people just like... accept it, work out a mortgagey style plan with their bank/whatever, and live with it... or something.


I think it has more to do with "I'll be out of work and not paid so give me money to compensate". Fucking irritating beyond belief.


They all need to learn fucking saving and financial responsibility and shit.


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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby mordacious1 » Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:53 pm  •  [Post 36967]

"It was a dark and stormy night. Dark, because I had my head up my ass as usual, stormy, because I had chilly for lunch". ---excerpt from Laden's book.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Sulaco » Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:53 pm  •  [Post 36968]

Sulaco wrote:A dark and stormy night? Really Greg plagiarizing Snoopy/Charles Schultz. Sad, just sad. No, make that contemptible.


Retracting. Seems I'm wrong, and the phrase is a bit older than Schultz's beginning.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby rayshul » Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:55 pm  •  [Post 36969]

Steersman wrote:
rayshul wrote:I am also not super down with fucking with Laden because when people have nothing to lose they go a bit nuts and also because, well, he's now reduced to a really pathetic situation. ….


Tend to agree with that as well. While Laden seems definitely to have crossed the line in the doxing department, some of the attacks against him are starting to show some similarities with bear-baiting; gratuitous savagery ….


I do understand the return attacks because he is attacking people without remorse (and without dignity). I like TFJ's characterisation here:

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:Nah! You're overthinking this. He's behaving like a textbook bully. It's actually banal as hell the way he resorts to threats and self important bluster. He's not cracking up, he's just an emotional toddler who doesn't get how transparent he is.


But it's just a bit sad now. Because he's 54 and he's not very good at the whole writing-thing and he feels like he should be a figure of pity. I don't react to people shouting on the street unless I think they're going to get into a dangerous situation, it feels like the same kind of thing.

That's just me, obviously.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ThreeFlangedJavis » Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:56 pm  •  [Post 36970]

Sulaco wrote:
A dark and stormy night? Really Greg plagiarizing Snoopy/Charles Schultz. Sad, just sad. No, make that contemptible.


Retracting. Seems I'm wrong, and the phrase is a bit older than Schultz's beginning.


Rats, Foiled again!
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby rayshul » Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:58 pm  •  [Post 36971]

Sulaco wrote:
Sulaco wrote:A dark and stormy night? Really Greg plagiarizing Snoopy/Charles Schultz. Sad, just sad. No, make that contemptible.


Retracting. Seems I'm wrong, and the phrase is a bit older than Schultz's beginning.


Bulwer Lytton, I believe.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Lsuoma » Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:58 pm  •  [Post 36972]

Sulaco wrote:
Sulaco wrote:A dark and stormy night? Really Greg plagiarizing Snoopy/Charles Schultz. Sad, just sad. No, make that contemptible.


Retracting. Seems I'm wrong, and the phrase is a bit older than Schultz's beginning.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Pitchguest » Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:59 pm  •  [Post 36973]

Sulaco wrote:A dark and stormy night? Really Greg plagiarizing Snoopy/Charles Schultz. Sad, just sad. No, make that contemptible.


Predating Schulz by a bit more than a century. "It was a dark and stormy night" was first coined by novelist Edward Bulwer-Lytton in 1830.

Still, Schulz was clearly the better writer and he did his best work using elementary school characters! Greg... has trouble dealing even with perspiration. Fucking hell, Greg, there's such a thing called a 'shower'. Use it!
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby CommanderTuvok » Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:04 pm  •  [Post 36974]

The "dark and stormy night" line, much parodied, comes from Edward Bulwer-Lytton, a British writer from the 19th century. It has since become an example of the worst way in which you can begin a story.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby comslave » Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:04 pm  •  [Post 36975]

Mykeru wrote:
Yes indeed. Old Greggy's book is down to 2.5 stars.



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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby mordacious1 » Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:08 pm  •  [Post 36976]

I didn't realize that Bulwer-Lytton is considered by many as the worst writer of prose in the history of the English language. I learn something new, not just everyday, but several times a day. I have a collection of his works on the shelf, I might have to take a peek.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Outwest » Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:12 pm  •  [Post 36977]

ReneeHendricks wrote:
rayshul wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:
rayshul wrote: don't even understand them asking for money at this point. They live in the US, do they want people to pay for their entire surgery experience? Are they trying to avoid medical debt entirely? I kind of assumed that most people just like... accept it, work out a mortgagey style plan with their bank/whatever, and live with it... or something.


I think it has more to do with "I'll be out of work and not paid so give me money to compensate". Fucking irritating beyond belief.


They all need to learn fucking saving and financial responsibility and shit.


Here's what bugs the living shit out of me - my guy may very well have to deal with some awful shit. He'll still go to work nearly every day he's able. Even if he's dragging ass, feels like shit, everything hurts, he'll still go to work. People like Greta and Ed? They'd rather beg for money. And that hits me on some serious levels now.


I posted back when Greta did her begging. No, I didn't donate and I know that several from here did. Well, those that did, thought differently. Okay. Everyone does as they feel they need to do at the time. I felt no sympathy for her because it was only TWO weeks she was talking about being unable to "work".

I don't beg from others and I'm sure I'm not alone when I say I have been in dire circumstances once or twice in my life. I do have empathy for others. Just not these.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby sacha » Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:24 pm  •  [Post 36978]

Dilurk wrote:
Gumby wrote:
I know more than a few atheists that want no part of the entire enterprise any longer. I am losing interest in atheist activism, myself and can find little motivation to do much more than make swipes at religion and the way that it affects society. Beyond this, I want to do little else; because I am finally starting to see that it is not religion that makes society shitty. It is people.


That is one thing that has always been clear to me. "The world would be a far better place without humans."

It has never been just religion It has always been dogma and our emotional clinging onto dogma. This is why being a freethinker is difficult for some as learning to think with the grey matter not the pineal gland is very hard for NTs. Though they can with training.


You give them far too much credit. Old dogs can be trained, but very few NTs.
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Mighty Hero Myers

Postby franc » Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:28 pm  •  [Post 36979]

Because the short fat prick reads here. The hero just posted this -

Once again, the Lord has made my enemies ridiculous

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... idiculous/

- beating his chest about how feeble the MRA's, rapists and chillgirls are for failing to rise to his challenge. Seems timely to remind Myers of John the Others offer which he has not responded to as yet -

http://www.avoiceformen.com/video/remin ... pz-meyers/

Myers the hero - no wonder JTO terrifies him. He has to fly home to the safety of Buttfuck Minnesota just to gather enough nerve to harass a small time gelato vendor.

Myers, you are a liar, a charlatan, a fraud, but above all else, an inconsequential chickenshit. You do the community proud. Not to mention, you are also god's gift to the loopy religious right.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby jimthepleb » Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:28 pm  •  [Post 36980]

Once upon a time
it was a dark and stormy night
two drunks got on an elevator....

MERRY FUCKEN CHRISTMAS EVERYONE AND WELCOME TO THE SLYMEPIT PANTOMIME!
Starring:
Greg Laden and PZ Myers (from t'internet) as The Ugly Sisters
and Rebecca Watson (famed for...er...) as Cinderella
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Badger3k » Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:29 pm  •  [Post 36981]

Well, just across my RSS feed:

PZ does his "no one could give rational reasons, Al made a video, every one who disagrees is an irrational asshole anti-feminist" post (just a summary, not a quote). Yawn.

And, of course, Stefunny puts up another post defending poor Greggie, and I may be mistaken, but she didn't say anything about his actions, just all those horrible people stalking him. Poor Greg, the victim - must be his testosterone-poisoned brain.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby comslave » Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:35 pm  •  [Post 36982]

http://youtu.be/fTpHj3HvVC4
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Re: Mighty Hero Myers

Postby Darren » Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:43 pm  •  [Post 36983]

franc wrote:Because the short fat prick reads here. The hero just posted this -

Once again, the Lord has made my enemies ridiculous

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... idiculous/

- beating his chest about how feeble the MRA's, rapists and chillgirls are for failing to rise to his challenge.


Oh, I remember this. This was the "challenge" in which 'pytters were disqualified from partipating, right?

I can't believe I once actually tried to like this guy. Thankfully, I failed.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby justinvacula » Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:46 pm  •  [Post 36984]

Stephanie Zvan doesn't defend Laden, but apparently doxxing is OK if the other person happened to say something you didn't like? ???

Stephanie's post:
http://www.freezepage.com/1356327950EZVZJKLAXR
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Re: Mighty Hero Myers

Postby Lsuoma » Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:03 am  •  [Post 36985]

franc wrote:Once again, the Lord has made my enemies ridiculous

Who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
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