Periodic Table of Swearing

Continuation of the post at Abbie Smith's ERV blog (http://scienceblogs.com/erv/)

Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Mykeru » Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:16 pm  •  [Post 36856]

ReneeHendricks wrote:Hey! I knew there was a reason for me to still like Justin Griffith: http://freethoughtblogs.com/rockbeyondbelief/2012/12/23/greg-laden-posts-a-home-address-and-employer-contacts-for-online-rival/

For those who don't want to check the link, here's a bit from the post:

Seriously, WTF!? I don’t know much about ‘Mykeru’, and maybe he’s not a great guy. What could possibly excuse purposely leaking an actual home address of somebody you disagree with? Nothing. This is every kind of wrong.

Laden then went on to disclose Mykeru’s alleged employment information. Presumably, Greg Laden wants his twitter followers to contact Mykeru’s employers and co-workers. You know, right after some visit his (ex-wife’s old) house.

I’ve not linked directly to this information, but it’s too late to remove it from the internet. Coupled with his history of bullying, and his direct threats of violence towards me, we can safely label Laden as a serial-harasser. When he attempted to trigger my PTSD, I saw him for what he was. Initially, I had thought it was just a one-off, and perhaps he just ‘saw red’. This was the first time I did not immediately forward a threat to the FBI. He continued to harass me, encouraging my peers to join in. To their credit, most saw what was happening after a few days.


Oh, relax everyone. Greg Laden has some sort of fetish for this. I say fetish because he does the exact same thing every time and, like someone who needs, I say needs, to have feathers shoved up his urethra to orgasm, he has to do the exact same thing the same way because it's the only thing that gets him off.

A couple of points. Someone did this shit before in 2005 and they cleared me in short order because the accusation made were ludicrous, as the sort of person who would follow through on an internet fight by whining to an employer already has a deficit in the how-thing-work department.

No one cares what I do in my spare time. What's more, our computers at work are locked down and simply will not run the software or support links to do what I do. So it's not a question or resources. When my home computer died that put me on hiatus with YouTube videos, as I do them from home using specialize programs not found in my work, and I'm still trying to get up to speed with that using a new computer and different software.

Greg Laden does this because he's got nothing, so before everyone goes off in OMFG mode, let's not distract from the important issue here, which is making fun of the gross impotence of Greg Laden and the fact that the only thing he brings to the discussion is crazy and his empty nut-sack.

I predict nothing will come of this. Why? Because they only one Greg Laden has on his side is Greg Laden and a handful of documented nut-cases who are spiraling down the toilet anyway.

I'm not defending against the attacks of Greg Laden, because you can't even elevate them to that level. What I'm doing is watching some twit engaging in the automaton-like behavior of a serial ass-hat.

There's an old axiom of rhetoric (sophism, really) called The Loser's Rule. It really is. Anyway, the way the Loser's Rule works is that someone in a losing position will try to expand the scope of debate to various irrelevant issues in a desperate attempt to change the subject or generally get some traction as they go off the cliff. This explains every dumb fight you've ever had with a SO who didn't fight fair. People who are winning an argument will keep punching away at the same point and have no reason to introduce things irrelevant to the now winning strategy. The FTB in general and Laden in particular are going to be upping their doubling down on the loser's rule.

Don't fall for it. At worst, Laden et. al can keep the argument going, at best, someone will get so thoroughly pissed off at their underhanded and nasty tactics and write something that will allow them to play OMFG VICTIM!, claim they are harassed and oppressed and generally distract from the mantle of shitty human beings they wear.

Keep it light, keep it fun, do it for the lulz. When you get too appalled at what a meaningless shit Laden is, you might accidentally start taking him seriously, which is never justifiable.

Fuck them. They have nothing I fear. Their tactics are, well, sad and the only antidote to them is more mockery.

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Oh man, I have not yet begun to make fun of these clowns.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Jan Steen » Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:18 pm  •  [Post 36857]

Justin Griffith response:
I am much better at moderating comments now.


If he means editing commenters' posts, he must have learned a thing or two from Crommunist and that PZ Myers clone. It is not okay.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Tigzy » Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:19 pm  •  [Post 36858]

Are there no depths to which crazy ol' Greg will sink? He's now making noises about posting a letter from JG's stalker:

Greg Laden Greg Laden ‏@gregladen

.@bynkii @RichSandersen What I should post is the email from the woman Justin had the affair with who is suing him. Its very amusing.


https://twitter.com/gregladen/status/282956197190049792

(tweet has been screencapped for posterity, btw.)
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Darren » Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:19 pm  •  [Post 36859]

Mr Danksworth wrote:Response from Justin to Tigzy....
Justin Griffith response:

You’ll never know how great Ed Brayton was to me on the phone. You’ll never know how many of the people here privately wrote to me in support. It really meant a lot to me, and you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Yeah, there are like two people here on cordial terms with him… that’s a pretty good percentage for a group of people connected only by atheism.


Then why don't some of these pricks make a public stand against shit like this? Sorry, Justin, but I don't care how great these people are behind the scenes where no-one else can here them.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Darren » Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:21 pm  •  [Post 36860]

Also, whats the deal with commenter "George" on JG's blog? Is he posting upsidedown and in Esperanto himself, or is JG going the PZ route and editing comments?
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Tigzy » Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:26 pm  •  [Post 36861]

Darren wrote:Also, whats the deal with commenter "George" on JG's blog? Is he posting upsidedown and in Esperanto himself, or is JG going the PZ route and editing comments?


Alas yes. George may be a complete nitwit, but JG's doing himself no favours in editing his comments. I have to wonder if George's posts really are so absurd and stupid, then what's the problem with just letting them stand on their own lack of merit?
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Lsuoma » Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:27 pm  •  [Post 36862]

Tigzy wrote:Are there no depths to which crazy ol' Greg will sink? He's now making noises about posting a letter from JG's stalker:

Greg Laden Greg Laden ‏@gregladen

.@bynkii @RichSandersen What I should post is the email from the woman Justin had the affair with who is suing him. Its very amusing.


https://twitter.com/gregladen/status/282956197190049792

(tweet has been screencapped for posterity, btw.)

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:30 pm  •  [Post 36863]

Darren wrote:Also, whats the deal with commenter "George" on JG's blog? Is he posting upsidedown and in Esperanto himself, or is JG going the PZ route and editing comments?


Seems to be a very rare but not unseen glitch on the comment system there where comments are backward. Only internet knows...
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Tigzy » Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:30 pm  •  [Post 36864]

@Lsuoma

Yeah, but Greg being Greg, there's at least a lot of lulz to be gained from his cuntishness. I mean, he always finds a way to cock it up somehow - I wouldn't be surprised if he accidentally posted the love-letters he received from Steffy instead.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Mykeru » Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:32 pm  •  [Post 36865]

I feel sad for Greg Laden's vanity press book on Amazon. It only has one review. Someone should show Greg Some love:

http://goo.gl/dCHs2

And no discussions about Greg Laden either. What a world...
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby windy » Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:34 pm  •  [Post 36866]

Gefan wrote:
CommanderTuvok wrote:From Laden's blog:
So when the Slime Pitters or their kind, or the regulars over on Whats Up With That blog, take my comments out of context and attempt to bludgeon me with them, lie about what I’ve said or done, or threaten to kill me with their favorite Glock, it is something I’m a little used to.


We all just got lumped in with "What's Up With That"?

Ouch.

Low blow.


Normally I would agree, but since Laden, Myers et al have lately come out in favor of the idea that one doesn't need credentials or expertise to 'critique' and ridicule an entire field of science, I don't know why they object to Watt's Up With That.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Darren » Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:37 pm  •  [Post 36867]

Tigzy wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if he accidentally posted the love-letters he received from Steffy instead.


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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Mykeru » Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:38 pm  •  [Post 36868]

windy wrote:
Gefan wrote:
CommanderTuvok wrote:From Laden's blog:
So when the Slime Pitters or their kind, or the regulars over on Whats Up With That blog, take my comments out of context and attempt to bludgeon me with them, lie about what I’ve said or done, or threaten to kill me with their favorite Glock, it is something I’m a little used to.


We all just got lumped in with "What's Up With That"?

Ouch.

Low blow.


Normally I would agree, but since Laden, Myers et al have lately come out in favor of the idea that one doesn't need credentials or expertise to 'critique' and ridicule an entire field of science, I don't know why they object to Watt's Up With That.


Yes, no doubt someone who was serious about killing Laden would make sure to give detailed advanced notice down to the make and model of the gun they are going to use. I think it's in the "obligatory villain's monologue provision".
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Gefan » Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:50 pm  •  [Post 36869]

People are taking Laden seriously?
I was unaware.
At present I am wrestling with my conscience (look it up, Baboons) as to whether we are picking on someone with serious mental problems. Oolon fits into the same category.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:02 pm  •  [Post 36870]

No mental problems. Delusions of grandeur, eventually.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby real horrorshow » Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:12 pm  •  [Post 36871]

Darren wrote:
Mr Danksworth wrote:Response from Justin to Tigzy....
Justin Griffith response:

You’ll never know how great Ed Brayton was to me on the phone. You’ll never know how many of the people here privately wrote to me in support. It really meant a lot to me, and you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Yeah, there are like two people here on cordial terms with him… that’s a pretty good percentage for a group of people connected only by atheism.


Then why don't some of these pricks make a public stand against shit like this? Sorry, Justin, but I don't care how great these people are behind the scenes where no-one else can here them.

Apart from the obvious Stephalump who is the other FTBer who's "on cordial terms" with Laden? Could it be PeeZed? The guy who wont give Justin the time of day but who is still going to be a guest at the atheism event he's organising? I've said it before, I have real trouble understanding Justin's childlike clinging to the FTB crowd in light of his - apparent - courage in other areas. It's like watching a battered child defend their abusive parent. My pity is rather souring into contempt.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Spence » Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:20 pm  •  [Post 36872]

Mykeru wrote:
CommanderTuvok wrote:From Laden's blog:
So when the Slime Pitters or their kind, or the regulars over on Whats Up With That blog, take my comments out of context and attempt to bludgeon me with them, lie about what I’ve said or done, or threaten to kill me with their favorite Glock, it is something I’m a little used to.

Yes, no doubt someone who was serious about killing Laden would make sure to give detailed advanced notice down to the make and model of the gun they are going to use. I think it's in the "obligatory villain's monologue provision".

Coincidentally, the same model as one of the guns used in the Newtown. If a slymepitter had made threats like that to Laden, we wouldn't hear the end of it.

It wouldn't surprise me if angry people had written stupid e-mails to Laden - he does admit he provokes people, and by sheer dumb luck alone some percentage of those will be angry people - but I would bet he is embellishing both the origin and the content of those e-mails quite a bit.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby John Greg » Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:32 pm  •  [Post 36873]

real horrorshow said:

Apart from the obvious Stephalump who is the other FTBer who's "on cordial terms" with Laden? Could it be PeeZed?


It is almost certainly Jason Lousy Canuck Toiletbowl. Toiletbowl has, in the past, posted many comments about his "deep admiration", and that's an actual quote, not sarcasm, for "his very good friend, Greg Laden", and other comments about travelling down to the States and getting together for dinnner and drinks with his "very good friends Greg Laden and Stephanie Zvan". Toiletbowl is a sad little Laden wannabee. Lord knows why.

[watching Griffith] It's like watching a battered child defend their abusive parent.


Ya, that's the feeling I get too.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ThreeFlangedJavis » Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:33 pm  •  [Post 36874]

Apart from the obvious Stephalump who is the other FTBer who's "on cordial terms" with Laden? Could it be PeeZed? The guy who wont give Justin the time of day but who is still going to be a guest at the atheism event he's organising? I've said it before, I have real trouble understanding Justin's childlike clinging to the FTB crowd in light of his - apparent - courage in other areas. It's like watching a battered child defend their abusive parent. My pity is rather souring into contempt.


It brings to mind those claims that you aren't arguing honestly when you give a perfectly reasonable interpretation to a 'boon. I'm minded to think that they aren't being deliberately evasive, as a rule, but have internalised the official 'boon press release on the issue at hand and can't conceive of it being less than kosher. Griffiths is a big boy. If he can't be bothered to look behind smears and Lepine comparisons before mouthing off then he can go fuck himself, but gently though.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ThreeFlangedJavis » Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:48 pm  •  [Post 36875]

RealHorrorShow:
I've said it before, I have real trouble understanding Justin's childlike clinging to the FTB crowd in light of his - apparent - courage in other areas. It's like watching a battered child defend their abusive parent. My pity is rather souring into contempt.


Maybe JG is honestly getting support from the Babs, in which case he has to explain his lack of acknowledgement of the abuse his buds are dishing out. I note that in his Laden post he absolves his mates from blame because they couldn't have foreseen Laden's shittiness toward him. Bullshit! It's not as if Laden doesn't have form. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't invocation of Laden's name bring the spit response amongst his fellow bloggers before the EG thing gave him an opportunity to showcase his talents. JG's showing signs of the 'it's OK when he does it to others' syndrome. And if he complains that his words are being twisted, he can always behave like a adult and discuss that on an even playing field, if his BFFs will let him.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Mykeru » Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:49 pm  •  [Post 36876]

Spence wrote:It wouldn't surprise me if angry people had written stupid e-mails to Laden -


More than likely he is just making up whatever covering bullshit his narrative demands. Like Rebecca Watson he uses contrived victim status as a means to continue being abusive.

Fuck, it's right out of the narcissist/sociopath playbook. Corner one of them and the first thing they do is appeal to pity. It's as if they are trying to accrue pity capital.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby AndrewV69 » Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:50 pm  •  [Post 36877]

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: Griffiths is a big boy. If he can't be bothered to look behind smears and Lepine comparisons before mouthing off then he can go fuck himself, but gently though.


My stance is that it is his problem not mine. You can lead a horse to water but you can not make him drink etc. etc. etc.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Mykeru » Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:51 pm  •  [Post 36878]

Got Laden's Amazon book down from five stars to three: http://goo.gl/RbbDY

Look, these fuckers are grifters and narcissists. The only way to hurt them is in the over-blown self-esteem or the wallet.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Al Stefanelli » Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:52 pm  •  [Post 36879]

My latest video:

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Pitchguest » Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:19 pm  •  [Post 36880]

Not going to get past moderation, not a chance, but I'm still posting it here anyway:

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Tigzy » Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:24 pm  •  [Post 36881]

Mykeru wrote:Got Laden's Amazon book down from five stars to three: http://goo.gl/RbbDY

Look, these fuckers are grifters and narcissists. The only way to hurt them is in the over-blown self-esteem or the wallet.


:lol: I can just see Greg's puffy little face light up on seeing an email notification that his book has garnered another review. "Oh wow," he'll no doubt think as he rushes to see it. "I hope it's good or at least not a bad on - oh."

By the way, that favourable review of Greg's book by Gareth Renowden was probably the result of a 'You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours' thing, owing to the fact that Greg posted a favourable review of Renowden's book 'The Aviator' in October: http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A3UII6YZGMBO69/ref=cm_cr_pr_auth_rev?ie=UTF8&sort_by=MostRecentReview
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Spence » Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:25 pm  •  [Post 36882]

Does anyone recall the full story that Justin G refers to regarding Maria (blu)? He claims Maria doxxed herself using a post by SGBM to support his claim. Now I know SGBM ran the pharyngula wikia, so he would have some info on this. But SGBM is at least half-baboon, and although he can think a bit better than the average baboon, he is usually up for spinning the story in a way that is shallow and deceitful. In other words, I'd like more than SGBM's side of the story.

I remember Laden posting up some pretty nasty shit about blu from facebook onto his blog, but ultimately taking it down after even the baboons criticised him for it. But I think that was a different incident.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Skep tickle » Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:30 pm  •  [Post 36883]

Spence wrote:Does anyone recall the full story that Justin G refers to regarding Maria (blu)? He claims Maria doxxed herself using a post by SGBM to support his claim. Now I know SGBM ran the pharyngula wikia, so he would have some info on this. But SGBM is at least half-baboon, and although he can think a bit better than the average baboon, he is usually up for spinning the story in a way that is shallow and deceitful. In other words, I'd like more than SGBM's side of the story.

I remember Laden posting up some pretty nasty shit about blu from facebook onto his blog, but ultimately taking it down after even the baboons criticised him for it. But I think that was a different incident.


Justin linked to it in his post at Rock Beyond Belief (the one that's currently being discussed here).
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Tigzy » Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:34 pm  •  [Post 36884]

Ha-haaa - Greg's book has just garnered another review. One which ends with this pretty devastating line:

Hopefully Mr Laden has another occupation since writing will most certainly not pay his bills.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Dilurk » Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:43 pm  •  [Post 36885]

FFS Greg "...from it's beginnings..."
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Punker » Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:45 pm  •  [Post 36886]

I hope that the people posting these book reviews have actually read the book
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Tigzy » Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:47 pm  •  [Post 36887]

@Punker

I've read a Kindle sample of it. Those two 1 star reviews are pretty accurate. It's a genuinely dire piece of work.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Spence » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:01 pm  •  [Post 36888]

Skep tickle wrote:Justin linked to it in his post at Rock Beyond Belief (the one that's currently being discussed here).

Justin linked to SGBM's claim, which is far from the full story. Unfortunately, the full story is difficult to glean from the comments, because there was a whole bunch of stuff going down at the time. Which is why I'm trying to find out if anyone remembers it at the time. I think John Welch and Justicar have commented on it quite a bit from time to time.

SGBM is referring to the pharyngula wikia. While SGBM claims Maria did add some personal information - and as admin he would be in a position to know this - but he does not claim Maria added her home address, and furthermore this was after other things had already been written - of course all this is now memory-holed. Also, I thought the original doxxing happened at Laden's blog (also memory holed), not the wikia.

It's way more complicated than Justin makes it out to be. Although Maria can react in a provocative way sometimes (e.g. she had a strange one-sided falling out with Phil), my recollection is quite different to Justin's. But my recollection may not be completely correct, so I'm trying to see if anyone can fill in some of the gaps.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Dan » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:04 pm  •  [Post 36889]

Punker wrote:I hope that the people posting these book reviews have actually read the book



I did read a Kindle sample of it before I wrote my review but I didn't read the whole book. Based on the sample I think my review is reasonable.I can't see the full version of the book being any better.
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Postby Darren » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:06 pm  •  [Post 36890]

Tigzy wrote:@Punker

I've read a Kindle sample of it. Those two 1 star reviews are pretty accurate. It's a genuinely dire piece of work.


Schadenfreude got the better of me, and I decided to read the preview available online. I've read this snippet 5 times now, and I canna make heads or tales of it:

They could not know it at the time, but while there was no reason for them to hear this story, Mallows felt a strong need to tell it. He needed to tell it now because he knew a punctuation event was about to occur, and this story would be that one perfect paragraph to be so ended.


Is English Greg's native tongue? Hard to say.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Spence » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:09 pm  •  [Post 36891]

The funniest review is the five-star one:
Greg Laden is one of the most accomplished and prolific science bloggers around.

Priceless.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Darren » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:09 pm  •  [Post 36892]

Holy crap, it gets better:

In his book, Greg Laden wrote:It was a dark and stormy night. That was normal, since it was night so the sun was down, and it was the rainforest so it was raining.


LOLOLOLOL...
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Postby astrokid.nj » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:10 pm  •  [Post 36893]

TasLOLma is my favourite FTB blogger. Anytime I am feeling down, I just head over to TasLOLma for some laughs, and all is well in the world once again.
India blames women for being raped. India asks women not to get raped. India does not teach men not to rape. Misogyny is deep rooted in Indian society. Most Indians believe rape is about sex. They do not know that rape is not about sex, rape is about violence and violence is about pain. Men are attracted to “masculinity”. Masculinity teaches men to get pleasure by causing pain. They know humans are violent by nature. That’s all. But they don’t want to know humans are also adaptable, which allows human species to survive.
Obviously, men’s rights activists are more powerful and influential than feminists or women’s rights activists in India.
The truth is, women can’t stop rape. Men have to stop rape. Men have more power. They should be responsible for their own acts and behaviour. Yesterday I asked my cat how to stop rape. She gave me a straight answer, ‘men must stop raping’. Even cats know the simple fact that men must stop raping to end rape.
The woman in Delhi was not raped, but gangraped. Rape is now an outdated thing. Media is not anymore interested in rape. They are interested in gangrape. If you are not gangraped, none will come to help you. Rape culture of urban India has been replaced by gangrape culture
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Postby John Brown » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:18 pm  •  [Post 36894]

astrokid.nj wrote:TasLOLma is my favourite FTB blogger. Anytime I am feeling down, I just head over to TasLOLma for some laughs, and all is well in the world once again.
India blames women for being raped. India asks women not to get raped. India does not teach men not to rape. Misogyny is deep rooted in Indian society. Most Indians believe rape is about sex. They do not know that rape is not about sex, rape is about violence and violence is about pain. Men are attracted to “masculinity”. Masculinity teaches men to get pleasure by causing pain. They know humans are violent by nature. That’s all. But they don’t want to know humans are also adaptable, which allows human species to survive.
Obviously, men’s rights activists are more powerful and influential than feminists or women’s rights activists in India.
The truth is, women can’t stop rape. Men have to stop rape. Men have more power. They should be responsible for their own acts and behaviour. Yesterday I asked my cat how to stop rape. She gave me a straight answer, ‘men must stop raping’. Even cats know the simple fact that men must stop raping to end rape.
The woman in Delhi was not raped, but gangraped. Rape is now an outdated thing. Media is not anymore interested in rape. They are interested in gangrape. If you are not gangraped, none will come to help you. Rape culture of urban India has been replaced by gangrape culture


I've been following this story for the past few days. It's quite remarkable and I believe the whole event and the aftermath speaks volumes. Rape is so abhorrent that a documented, public case of it is enough to trigger mass protests, to the point where the police are needed to gas and beat back the mob.

It seems to me that the reaction should be heartening to feminists world wide, especially since it's happening in a country which is quite literally patriarchal in nature (though not nearly as much as it was even in the recent past).

Now, imagine if it were a man not being gang raped, but brutally murdered by a gang of people on the street.

What would the reaction be to that?
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby soldierwhy » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:23 pm  •  [Post 36895]

Dan wrote:
Punker wrote:I hope that the people posting these book reviews have actually read the book



I did read a Kindle sample of it before I wrote my review but I didn't read the whole book. Based on the sample I think my review is reasonable.I can't see the full version of the book being any better.


Someone's just been on and down-voted the 2 negative reviews (or marked them unhelpful or whatever the schtick is over there). Are we going to have another Urban Dictionary social justice activism effort on our hands?
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Gefan » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:24 pm  •  [Post 36896]

I apologize in advance for exceeding my non-existant seniority around here but maybe it's time we all back away from Greg Laden.
I don't know that much about him but he seems to be (a) increasingly emotionally fragile and (b) rendered harmless by his own sheer ineptitude. How far does someone's life have to progress down the crapper for them to start pining for the Stephalump for fuck's sake?
I don't know what the end-game is here and I don't have any desire to drive him to suicide. Aside from anything else, I'd miss the entertainment.

And, because I can't be bothered to do it myself, whoever wants to post the inevitable, Chris Crocker "Leave Greg Alone" picture, you have my blessing.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Mr Danksworth » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:30 pm  •  [Post 36897]

Darren wrote:Then why don't some of these pricks make a public stand against shit like this? Sorry, Justin, but I don't care how great these people are behind the scenes where no-one else can here them.


I know quite a few people who remain silent about the 'issues' online. However, they are watching, and seeing things for what they are. They are the silent majority. I think the time is coming that they will stand up and be counted. Everyone is sick of the FTB bullshit.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Darren » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:41 pm  •  [Post 36898]

Gefan wrote:I don't know what the end-game is here and I don't have any desire to drive him to suicide. Aside from anything else, I'd miss the entertainment.


Relax, I don't think Greggy is going anywhere anytime soon. Nanny Ophie is much closer to a breakdown in my non-expert opinion.
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Postby Darren » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:44 pm  •  [Post 36899]

Mr Danksworth wrote:
Darren wrote:Then why don't some of these pricks make a public stand against shit like this? Sorry, Justin, but I don't care how great these people are behind the scenes where no-one else can here them.


I know quite a few people who remain silent about the 'issues' online. However, they are watching, and seeing things for what they are. They are the silent majority. I think the time is coming that they will stand up and be counted. Everyone is sick of the FTB bullshit.


I'm not talking about your average Joe or Jane - I can understand why these people want to stay out of it. It's these bloggers at FtB who, supposedly, are on Justin's side, yet do nothing to object to the tyranny of the FC5. In fact, I don't understand why Justin doesn't just pack his bags and leave given how PZ is treating him.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Reap » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:46 pm  •  [Post 36900]

I am here to get my orders from Abbie... I can not function unless she directs me.......I want to pee on greg ladens face but can not do so until I have permission from Abbie.....I must do her bidding......BTW Greg Laden is a bright as a dried up pea and half as witty
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Lsuoma » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:47 pm  •  [Post 36901]

Gefan wrote:I apologize in advance for exceeding my non-existant seniority around here but maybe it's time we all back away from Greg Laden.
I don't know that much about him but he seems to be (a) increasingly emotionally fragile and (b) rendered harmless by his own sheer ineptitude. How far does someone's life have to progress down the crapper for them to start pining for the Stephalump for fuck's sake?
I don't know what the end-game is here and I don't have any desire to drive him to suicide. Aside from anything else, I'd miss the entertainment.

And, because I can't be bothered to do it myself, whoever wants to post the inevitable, Chris Crocker "Leave Greg Alone" picture, you have my blessing.

As long as he's acting like a complete cunt, forget it...
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby franc » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:48 pm  •  [Post 36902]

Tuibguy wrote:Don't be fucking smug here. I was taking a swipe at this cesspool, too.


Who's being smug eh? Just substitute some words -

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby soldierwhy » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:49 pm  •  [Post 36903]

Darren wrote:Nanny Ophie is much closer to a breakdown in my non-expert opinion.


Shit, that reminds me of a particularly odious troll who used to frequent the Army Rumour Service Boards:

http://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/LadyNavyVet

The general concensus at the time was that the constant spittle-flecked vituperation she angrily posted drove her to simply explode.
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Postby justinvacula » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:49 pm  •  [Post 36904]

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Dilurk » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:51 pm  •  [Post 36905]

Reap wrote:I am here to get my orders from Abbie... I can not function unless she directs me.......I want to pee on greg ladens face but can not do so until I have permission from Abbie.....I must do her bidding......BTW Greg Laden is a bright as a dried up pea and half as witty


Errr she is busy in the lab making some winged monkeys or something.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby soldierwhy » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:55 pm  •  [Post 36906]

It's been a while since I had a look at the ARRSE Wiki but does this remind you anyone we know?

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Guest » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:55 pm  •  [Post 36907]

Darren wrote:
Mr Danksworth wrote:
Darren wrote:Then why don't some of these pricks make a public stand against shit like this? Sorry, Justin, but I don't care how great these people are behind the scenes where no-one else can here them.


I know quite a few people who remain silent about the 'issues' online. However, they are watching, and seeing things for what they are. They are the silent majority. I think the time is coming that they will stand up and be counted. Everyone is sick of the FTB bullshit.


I'm not talking about your average Joe or Jane - I can understand why these people want to stay out of it. It's these bloggers at FtB who, supposedly, are on Justin's side, yet do nothing to object to the tyranny of the FC5. In fact, I don't understand why Justin doesn't just pack his bags and leave given how PZ is treating him.

Indeed. There's nothing particularly stopping him from setting up his own blog elsewhere, which is what I'd do if I were similarly treated. Given that FtB uses WordPress, it's possible (AFAIK) to simply export the original database and then import it on another WordPress-based blog.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Skep tickle » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:58 pm  •  [Post 36908]

Spence wrote:
Skep tickle wrote:Justin linked to it in his post at Rock Beyond Belief (the one that's currently being discussed here).

Justin linked to SGBM's claim, which is far from the full story. Unfortunately, the full story is difficult to glean from the comments, because there was a whole bunch of stuff going down at the time. Which is why I'm trying to find out if anyone remembers it at the time. I think John Welch and Justicar have commented on it quite a bit from time to time.

SGBM is referring to the pharyngula wikia. While SGBM claims Maria did add some personal information - and as admin he would be in a position to know this - but he does not claim Maria added her home address, and furthermore this was after other things had already been written - of course all this is now memory-holed. Also, I thought the original doxxing happened at Laden's blog (also memory holed), not the wikia.

It's way more complicated than Justin makes it out to be. Although Maria can react in a provocative way sometimes (e.g. she had a strange one-sided falling out with Phil), my recollection is quite different to Justin's. But my recollection may not be completely correct, so I'm trying to see if anyone can fill in some of the gaps.


I wasn't aware of, much less following, that story when it happened. Here are a couple of places I found where Maria mentions it:
http://kazez.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-backlash-against-feminism.html?showComment=1345424560541#c4209192797442965015

http://beckytranssexual.wordpress.com/2011/10/23/how-very-dare-you/ (3rd to last comment and last comment)
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Saint N. » Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:00 pm  •  [Post 36909]

Darren wrote:
They could not know it at the time, but while there was no reason for them to hear this story, Mallows felt a strong need to tell it. He needed to tell it now because he knew a punctuation event was about to occur, and this story would be that one perfect paragraph to be so ended.


Is English Greg's native tongue? Hard to say.


Is it ironic that Laden writes like a human spambot?

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby ConcentratedH2O, OM » Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:08 pm  •  [Post 36910]

Ed Brayton's had some heart surgery, and has now realized that his and Meyers's vanity project ain't gonna cover his down time.

So, he's gone the Greta route and has the begging bowl out:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2012/12/23/how-can-you-help/
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby real horrorshow » Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:32 pm  •  [Post 36911]

soldierwhy wrote:
Darren wrote:Nanny Ophie is much closer to a breakdown in my non-expert opinion.


Shit, that reminds me of a particularly odious troll who used to frequent the Army Rumour Service Boards:

http://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/LadyNavyVet

The general concensus at the time was that the constant spittle-flecked vituperation she angrily posted drove her to simply explode.

I should visit ARRSE more often. At it's best it's very funny and also very cruel e.g.
Popular legend recounts that she died mid-post, and was found slumped face-down onto the keyboard.

Her death caused about ten minutes of soul searching by some of the wetter members of the site who wondered if they might have contributed to her untimely demise. Her NOK refused Arrse's request for a web-cam at the autopsy, but we did manage to snap up the dribble-soaked keyboard on e-bay. Result.


Which is about my position on the 'Greg Laden may be close to the edge' notion. It's also my position on Ed Brayton:
So, Black and Decker to the sternum and they are shocked to find a ton of fluid in my chest, pushing down on my heart and lungs and making my heart go into overdrive to keep oxygen in my system. They do a biopsy on the lymph nodes, clean things up, install three chest tubes and sew me back up. Sometime in the middle of the night, I ripped out my ventilator tube (I told them that better not be on my bill, I did it myself). As for what caused all of this, that’s still not certain.


Not certain? I'll give you my diagnosis right here Ed:

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It's called being a big fat bastard!

The good news is that I have health insurance, which I pay on a COBRA from my job with AINN (it runs out in six months and I’ll have to get my own insurance, which thankfully can’t be denied anymore because of the preexisting condition). But I’m still going to have some significant out-of-pocket expenses and loss of income during the recovery period (it’s going to be a couple months before I’m really back to normal). So you can certainly help out financially if you have the means to do so and it would be greatly appreciated.


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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Gumby » Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:37 pm  •  [Post 36912]

Darren wrote:Holy crap, it gets better:

In his book, Greg Laden wrote:It was a dark and stormy night. That was normal, since it was night so the sun was down, and it was the rainforest so it was raining.


LOLOLOLOL...


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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Mykeru » Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:41 pm  •  [Post 36913]

Tigzy wrote:Ha-haaa - Greg's book has just garnered another review. One which ends with this pretty devastating line:

Hopefully Mr Laden has another occupation since writing will most certainly not pay his bills.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009R8ASRG/ref=s9_simh_se_p351_d0_i3?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=auto-no-results-center-1&pf_rd_r=29E507DB31714DF68DC9&pf_rd_t=301&pf_rd_p=1263465782&pf_rd_i=sundugodo


Yes indeed. Old Greggy's book is down to 2.5 stars. What with being down with the family working on my netbook I'm limited in ways I can hit Laden in the ego and wallet. When I get back, making sure that his book is properly reviewed, and that ... well, Greg reads The SlymePit, so we'll just keep the next exciting installment of Mirthfully Fuck with Greg under wraps.

Punker wrote:I hope that the people posting these book reviews have actually read the book


Yes, Of course they had.

Dan wrote:
Punker wrote:I hope that the people posting these book reviews have actually read the book



I did read a Kindle sample of it before I wrote my review but I didn't read the whole book. Based on the sample I think my review is reasonable.I can't see the full version of the book being any better.


That's fair. Otherwise people wouldn't be able to give their opinion on a book unless they have read all the way through it. Some books are so horribly written that most people wouldn't be able to get through the first few pages. Laden's book seems to be one of them. If anyone can cite an example of a book where the writer used the brilliant conceit of writing total shit for the first couple dozen pages, and then turned brilliant, I'd like to hear it.

Darren wrote:Is English Greg's native tongue? Hard to say.


English was Joseph Conrad's third language. Greg Laden is no Conrad. My own ex-wife began learning English in the equivalent of 6th grade and spoke almost accentless American Standard. The only thing she was weak on were slang and idiom. Apparently language use is a matter of intelligence.

Gefan wrote:I apologize in advance for exceeding my non-existant seniority around here but maybe it's time we all back away from Greg Laden.
I don't know that much about him but he seems to be (a) increasingly emotionally fragile and (b) rendered harmless by his own sheer ineptitude. How far does someone's life have to progress down the crapper for them to start pining for the Stephalump for fuck's sake?
I don't know what the end-game is here and I don't have any desire to drive him to suicide. Aside from anything else, I'd miss the entertainment.


Last I checked seniority (past being a guesty newb) makes fuck-all difference in The Pit. So does mod status. For example, Lsouma is a jumped up little prick. He knows it, I know it, he knows I know it and we are all around knowledgeable about it.

Your concern is noted and admirable, but honestly, I'm not going to write Laden a pass just because he's mental. To use a flawed analogy, if he wants to dance on a ledge, I'm not going to stand in the street yelling "jump", but neither am I going to risk myself to save him from himself.

Actions have consequences. Laden has done a lot of these actions and has mostly skirted on the consequences. Laden's mistake this time around is to target someone who just doesn't give a shit about his scary doxxy shit, and has an overdeveloped sense of theatricality and justice. Kind of like Batman. With horns. And googly lemur eyes.

I have considered the advantages of taking the strap-on gimp bitch high road and taking my share of being fucked in the ass in a completely enlightened and passive manner, and considered the obvious fragile mental state that Laden calls home and considered moderating my response to be a little more measured and less lulzy and...

Naaah. Fuck that.

Let's fuck with him. Using the three-prong attack of mockery, contempt and the truth.

However if I push Laden to the point where he decides to put a bullet through his brain I will give my deepest condolences to the bullet, as nothing should be forced to transverse that hot mess of crazy crammed into his skull.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Darren » Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:43 pm  •  [Post 36914]

real horrorshow wrote:I've got a better idea Ed, cut down your food intake to say two cows per day and you'll easily save enough to pay the bills.


Come on, show of hands. Who didn't laugh at this? :D
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Gumby » Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:48 pm  •  [Post 36915]

Ed, just call Greta. She was "cured" from her "illness" so quickly she undoubtedly has thousands of donated dollars remaining she can give you.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Gumby » Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:49 pm  •  [Post 36916]

Mykeru wrote:Lsouma is a jumped up little prick. He knows it, I know it, he knows I know it and we are all around knowledgeable about it.


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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Darren » Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:57 pm  •  [Post 36917]

Maria has seen Justin's article:

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Tigzy » Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:58 pm  •  [Post 36918]

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real horrorshow wrote:I've got a better idea Ed, cut down your food intake to say two cows per day and you'll easily save enough to pay the bills.


Come on, show of hands. Who didn't laugh at this? :D


I tried not to...I mean, I can sympathise with Ed, but...

Honestly, Ed - who ate all the pies here, eh? :lol: Didn't you even take it as a warning sign that the last person who told you you needed a bypass was a motorway engineer?
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby Lsuoma » Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:59 pm  •  [Post 36919]

Gumby wrote:
Mykeru wrote:Lsouma is a jumped up little prick. He knows it, I know it, he knows I know it and we are all around knowledgeable about it.


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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

Postby John Brown » Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:00 pm  •  [Post 36920]

Can anyone glean what's going on between @bluharmony and Justin Griffith on Twitter?
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