Periodic Table of Swearing

[Dilurk]

Talking about relativism and Post Modernism I am enjoying http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

[Scented Nectar]

just plain creepy. Searching for Harriet Hall/Sulky Amy images, I found -

http://www.usapowerlifting.com/halloffa ... arriet.jpg

Harriet Hall, powerlifter

That IS creepy. She has the name of one of them, and looks like the other. Weird!

[Tigzy]

@Tuvok

Ah damn - that's funny. In which case, in a similar vein, I'm just going to have to nominate my 5 most lulzworthy baboons of the year:

5. $urly Amy
Until T-shirtgate, she didn't register much of a blip at all with me. But then rumours started surfacing of a woman who had suffered grievous harassment at the last TAM. Who was she? What had happened? Oh god, this sounds bad! And then...Pruney spilled the beans, and we heard the story of the poor, put-upon girl who was cruelly harassed by Harriet Hall's T-Shirt, because it said, 'not a Skepchick'. My amusement was profound in contemplating the look upon Ms Hall's face as she was confronted by this snivelling, fridge-faced purveyor of tat. There is little doubt that Harriet Hall has faced a good deal more genuine sexism and harassment than any skepchick would dare to contemplate; there is also little doubt that Surly Amy's reaction sealed the deal for her as far as being 'not a skepchick' is concerned.

4. Oolon
Admittedly, an acquired taste in these parts, but allow yourself a moment or two to indulge in Oolon's pwning of you, and it actually becomes an entertaining online game of giving this simpering, inept poltroon more than enough rope to hang himself with. Here he comes into the Slymepit, spurting unctuous oil to the effect that Peezee is way kewl and not heeding our warnings that PZ may in all likelihood ban him from Pharyngula for being here. Oolon then proceeds to pwn the Slymepit by getting banned at Pharyngula. Some fool later doxxes Oolon's real name. Oolon achieves major pwnage points for compounding the doxxing by revealing where he lives. And then, in the lulzworthiest moment of all, another fool posts a highly questionable picture of a girl. Oolon uber-pawns the Final Boss of the Slymepit by calling it child-porn, and then admitting that he had screencapped it. Yes, the very same Oloon who revealed to everyone where he lives. With a bit of luck, I'm guessing he won't end up with 'peedo' scrawled across his front door in flaming dogshit. But really - the dim here may account for the universal mystery of dark matter. Further lulz were had when he quickly knocked out a blog post detailing his massive pwnage of the Slymepit, only to have Ophelia Benson demand that he remove her name from it when he linked the piece to her. Oolon complied, of course, with grovelling apologies. I have no doubt at all that Oolon will consider his inclusion into these lists as yet another example of his uber-pwning of the Slymepit.

3. Crommunist
Ordinarly, a fairly dour and uninteresting FTBer, Crommunist incurred major lulz by inflicting the the shrieking, convulsive psyche of Half-Fish onto FTB. Because yes, Half-Fish is indeed FTB's problem - the perfect distillation of the SJW mentality taken to its illogical extreme. A blunder of near Matt Dillahunty (see below) proportions, I got the impression that Crommunist was left genuinely dazed by by the fallout of what must somehow have seemed a good idea at the time: hence his digging the hole deeper by caving in to Half-Fish's lunatic assertion that it's kinda okay to fuck someone without telling them you're HIV positive, and finding himself reduced to editing the comments of those people who couldn't help but go 'What the fuck???' in response to Half-Fish's post about two-spirits and turtle island, and whatever the fuck hell else he/she was going on about, simply because he didn't have the courage to admit that he was wrong to give this utter lunatic another platform. Imagine waking up hungover one morning to discover that the hot piece of ass you took to bed last night actually turned out to be a blue-haired rapist with a prehensile upper lip, and you can probably guess Crommunist's present dilemma as regards Half-Fish. Except that in his case, everyone saw Crommunist do it, and in true lulzworthy FTB fashion, he compounded the lulz by pretending that Half-Fish is as much a worthy and astute commentator as Rebecca Watson is a worthy and astute intellect.

2. Dolly Dillahunty
If the past year has revealed anything about doorMatt, it's that he's clearly Otis to Peezee's Lex Luthor. And in a similar Ned Beatty vein, I have little doubt that he would be the one who's chubby ass ends up pleasuring toothless hillbillies should the FTB crowd ever go on a camping trip together. He was, after all, right royally shafted by the gum-flapping halfwits in the parochial wilds of the Atheism Plus forum, despite his well-intentioned but deeply stupid plan to show how great people like Zeke Setar, Cletus Fllewelyn and Leatherface Simpleflower really were. The blundering ineptitude and sheer unparalled doltishness he has evinced this year in his attempts to ingratiate himself with the FTB/A+/Skepchick 'in' crowd has been nothing short of comedy gold. As much Bald - 'I have a cunning plan' - rick to Peezee's Blackadder as he is Otis, Dolly (a name I bestowed in honor of the cloned sheep that perished quickly) would actually serve as a rather loveable sitcom character were it not for the fact that his ineptitude extends to driving dangerously in order to vent the blather that comprises his podcasts.

1. Greg Laden
Whereas Dolly Dillahunty will always allow some room for pity in being at least a generally well-intentioned plonker, Laden allows no room for the finer feelings in being such an embittered, hateful, angry twat. Hence his status as being, IMO, the FTB/A+/Skepchich resident lulz-meister, because few things are so funny as seeing so much malevolence rendered impotent by such unfettered imbecility. Were Greg Darth Vader, his speech processor would no doubt fuck up at just the wrong moment, and he'd proclaim 'No Luke, I am your father,' in a chipmunk voice. If he were Dr Doom, his armour would make squeaky farting noises as he walked. If he were Ernst Stavro Blofeld, he'd get a rash from his cat. Greg, for all his rage and dreams of dominion upon those unwashed hordes who do not agree with him, can only endeavor to make himself look like a colossal prick when such dreams are so limited by his meagre intellect and unparallelled clumsiness. From being a stauch feminist who tells uppity women to 'get off the rag' to a 'science communicator' who pronounces forth that mens' brains are damaged by testosterone, he seems completely unable to understand how, exactly, his intellect is hampered by such excessive stupidity. He's a 'biothropologist' - which must mean he's really wow gosh darn clever, because he appears to be the only bionthropologist in the world. He's a former Ivy-Leaguer capable of writing such complex syntax and esoteric verbiage that his book and articles have left lesser mortals scratching their heads in bewilderment. He knows he's not to be fucked with, because he threatens to kick peoples' asses on the internet. He is so filled with the passionate righteousness of his causes, he forgets that he can't edit or delete other people's Facebook posts, and seems so ready to explode from the power of his convictions that his skin takes on a red, angry hue like a helium-filled tomato inflated to bursting point.

But Greg has at least made one contribution to the field of science, in being able to quite throughly disprove the thesis that a joke is only ever funny once.

[papillon]

Talking about relativism and Post Modernism I am enjoying http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

Seems legit ;)

[katamari Damassi]

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Brava!

[Jan Steen]

Funny to see how, more than once, Nerd of Redhead has to be corrected by his fellow commenters for mistaking a ‘friendly’ comment for one from the other side. He is really like a farmyard dog that snaps at the postman and barks at everything that moves. The guy is as bright as a sack of coal. Pharyngula wouldn’t be the same without him.

@Nerd

I sense a large amount of lingua in buccal pouch in Brucegee1962‘s comment.

Nerd, perhaps I do not know what brucegee 1962 has written before but I saw that as actual humor.

Nerd,

I think (but am not sure) that Jose does not actually hold the views expressed in that comment but rather is putting across how they think that Shermer would respond given his libertarian leanings.

Nerd
I think your sarcasm-metre is borked ;)

Note the tone: as if they are talking to a well-liked but slightly demented uncle. They know he doesn't get it but are too polite to say so directly.

There is more classic Pharyngula:

@375 Ichthyic

“Drama queen” is a sexist insult. Please refrain from using it. Thanks.

This is from a commenter named 'Ibis3, member of the Oppressed Sisterhood fanclub.' Obviously a drama queen.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... /#comments

[Skep tickle]

lol

So let’s try an experiment. Let’s hear from some of these anti-feminists...

PZ Myers on 22 December 2012 at 8:16 am
Skeptixx: Slymepitters are never welcome here — your gang crosses the line from sexism into outright misogyny, and I don’t think that group’s fondness for inventing ‘creative’ versions of people’s names using crude slang for genitals counts as rational discussion. Banned with extreme prejudice.

ROFLMAO. Banned "with extreme prejudice" specifically merely for association with the very people he claims to be inviting to comment in his thread. BEAUTIFUL, PZ. I notice you don't actually address any of the content of my posts, questioning your premises & how you set up anyone who disagrees to be tarred as an "anti-feminist".

#329 nightshadequeen ("poison plant + highest status woman, with power over others") quotes me quoting PZ and asks me to define "equality" as he used it? Asks me to defend my characterization here of the BBT scene in which Penny grabs Leonard by the hand and pulls him into the bedroom for sex (in which I concluded that Leonard was the one being taken advantage of, if anyone was). And links to my post last night where I observed that my post actually got through after prior attempts at FtB hadn't, calls it "bragging" (apparently having missed the point that I was screencapping it here in case it was removed from FtB, since we've seen that happen).

#382 roland has a good comment: "I think those who don’t like feminism think that the aim of feminism is inequality rather than equality." Yeah, or "...have observed that the aim (whether stated or implied) of people who call themselves feminists is..."

#387 jefrir: "Plus there’s the fact that any domain that is disproportionately female tends to become devalued. I mean, there’s no objective reason why engineers should be paid more than linguists." Um, except maybe that engineers actually contribute to making things that work and are useful? Including, say, buildings, cars, bridges, computers, phones, food packaging, and so on?

#407 Nerd of Redhead: "After 400 posts, all I see is those concerned about tone, those concerned about labels, and Slymepitters with their faux scripted concerns with attitude. All superficial and mostly irrelevant analysis (see Lachlan for a solid example of such)." Also #433 Travis with "It is amazing, 432 comments in and there appear to be no serious attempts to answer the questions posed..." So obviously the next step is that they conclude that one possibility is that no "anti-feminist" actually exists and PZ created a strawman. What's that? You say that's not where they're going with the "discussion"? Tsk, tsk.

#428 :D

But this one is my personal favorite:
http://i.imgur.com/V2ILO.png

Accusation of "intellectual dishonesty" (after I challenged the claims in the petition against Justin Vacula, and in place of any substantive response to the questions I posed) was exactly how I was banned from the Atheism+ forum.

At least there's some consistency in the pastiche they put on their exclusion from the discussion (in the arenas they control) of people who challenge their claims & assumptions. (I would have said "who dare to challenge..." but hell, some of these people claim they're skeptics. At least they get paid to talk at Skeptics Conventions. Sheeeeeeesh.)

[katamari Damassi]

Even though it is a trap. I think that it shows PZ is getting worried about tye amount of criticism they are generating.

I think he's more worried about blog hits and revenue.

[papillon]

@Tuvok

I've loved these year-end lists - hilarious.
The enjoyment can be further enhanced by having this played in the background.
[youtube]ZnHmskwqCCQ[/youtube]



Great imagery here.

2. Dolly Dillahunty
..... despite his well-intentioned but deeply stupid plan to show how great people like Zeke Setar, Cletus Fllewelyn and Leatherface Simpleflower really were.

LOL @ an A+ camping trip. That would be a sight to behold..
Of course they'd have to rename 'camping' as it's totes homophobic.
Surely they couldn't find anything to be offended by in the wilderness....could they?
Oh wait, yes of course, how could anyone forget Shroedingers tree?

[youtube]-mKUSLxW0kE[/youtube]

[comslave]

I feel so left out. I can't come up with a year end top baboon list because I abandoned FTB when they booted Thunderf00t. I won't contribute to their ad revenue. I prefer to starve the beast. If it weren't for the lulz provided by the slymepit, I wouldn't have any clue as to what those idiots were up to now.

[Skep tickle]

Talking about relativism and Post Modernism I am enjoying http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

Excellent. Pro tip, put down your coffee* first, and after reading to go to the bottom to click the regeneration link to keep 'em coming.

_____

*Or the beverage of your preference, with no prejudice intended against those losers who do not drink coffee or who do but don't happen to be drinking coffee but instead some lesser beverage** while reading Slymepit.

**Except wine or a stiff drink***. Those aren't lesser, merely differently pharmaceuticaled.

***Some will prefer beer. I would look down my nose at you, except that your drinking the beer leaves more wine for those of us who have the correct preferences. :D

[CommanderTuvok]

According to Alexa, FreeThoughtBlogs is a sexist site - as it is more popular with teh patriarchy.

http://i.imgur.com/y7u84.jpg

FreeThoughtBlogs - It's a Guy Thing!!!

[Gefan]

How does PeeZus expect anyone to "comment here" when all known Pitters are banned?

This could go a couple of ways: there could be dead silence as the anti-feminists wilt under pressure to honestly explain themselves, or there could be an eruption of the usual shrieking misogyny, or there might actually be a few who try to explain themselves.

That's actually three ways PZed. I can see how you made the mistake though. It's only the first two you're interested in. Either someone shows up to comment, which you've defined, in advance as "an eruption of the usual shrieking misogyny", or no-one does, in which case you'll claim victory by default.

Certainly no-one is going to get a chance to "explain themselves". And who decided the onus was on your critics to do that anyway? You and your fellow Baboons are the ones making all the wild claims about patriarchy and rape-culture and all the terrible (and credible) threats Watson et al receive from sceptics and atheists. So, do the sceptical thing: Show us your evidence.

Really this is like the bully who offers you a 'fair fight' in his back yard with all his mates present. When you're too smart to walk into an obvious ambush he goes around school the next day calling you a coward, but only his goons even pretend to believe it. Welch is right, only a fool fights by rules the enemy wont follow.

This reminds me of The Reverend Mykeru's experience with Osama Greg Laden and, prior to that, some neo-con ass-clown by the name of Lord Spatula (who bizarrely looks like Mr Deity's long lost twin).

Step 1. Ass clown challenges Reverend to a fight. On his home turf.
Step 2. The Reverend proposes an actual fight at a neutral location and puts up money in escrow.
Step 3. Protracted sound of crickets chirping.

If PZ wants to debate in a neutral venue he'll find the line of challengers forming to the right.

BTW - anyone notice the Good Reverend has been AWOL for a few days?
It's quiet....too quiet.
If I were an FTB lurker right now I might be experiencing a puckering sensation as I consider the prospect of The Reverend feverishly at work in his bat-hung laboratory, lit only by the glow of his Youtube channel patiently awaiting upload...

[CommanderTuvok]

More fun at Opheliar's

http://i.imgur.com/nfSEZ.jpg

Poor little twat Martin Wagner gets a little confused over the term "cyberstalking".

http://i.imgur.com/Swd0Z.jpg

Cyberstalking is what the Baboons accuse the Pit Crew of when we highlight genuine problems with their logic and positions from their work. Since Opheliar is highlighting genuine problems trolling months old Shermer articles to quotemine and take out of context, Opheliar most certainly meets the Baboon definition of "cyberstalking", just as Rebecca Watson meets her own definition of a rapist.

[John Brown]

I am unqualified to do a top ten list because I am overly biased.

It would fluctuate between Svan and Physioprof for every single entry.

[ERV]

BTW - anyone notice the Good Reverend has been AWOL for a few days?

Or hes sick. There are a few bugs going around. Ive been sick as fuck since Thursday. Hate the world right now.

[CommanderTuvok]

http://i.imgur.com/KemFN.jpg

Marnie seemingly forgetting that constantly criticise and ridicule the likes of PZ, Laden, Canuck, Dillahunty, etc. all of the time...

[CommanderTuvok]

Marnie seemingly forgetting that WE constantly criticise and ridicule the likes of PZ, Laden, Canuck, Dillahunty, etc. all of the time...

[Skep tickle]

Marnie seemingly forgetting that WE constantly criticise and ridicule the likes of PZ, Laden, Canuck, Dillahunty, etc. all of the time...

Treating them like they're women, I see. Um...that must be it... *cough*

[Cunning Punt]

But this one is my personal favorite:
http://i.imgur.com/V2ILO.png

Projection much? This is EXACTLY what they do.

[Gefan]

BTW - anyone notice the Good Reverend has been AWOL for a few days?

Or hes sick. There are a few bugs going around. Ive been sick as fuck since Thursday. Hate the world right now.

Or he could have been in another bike wreck.
We'll never know for sure because, if so, there's no way he'd ever mention it...

[Guest]

BTW - anyone notice the Good Reverend has been AWOL for a few days?

Or hes sick. There are a few bugs going around. Ive been sick as fuck since Thursday. Hate the world right now.

Mayans forgot to carry the two. they were really just predicting a slightly more serious than average flu season.

[Gefan]

Another thumbs-up for the end-of-year-awards lists.
Let no-one say the Baboons aren't funny. They're fucking hilarious, they just don't have a sense of humor.
The story of Oolon's 2012 and his ascent to the title of "Inspector Clouseau of Trolling" has had me in tears.

[Richard Dworkins]

http://i.imgur.com/KemFN.jpg

Toe the party line. Yes. This is a party, a party of people engaged in skepticism. If you step over that line keep going and join another party. Don't complain the party is not to your liking so those involved must make it more about your non-skeptical interests. Your genitals are trivial here.

And really it seems that for many of them complaining, that is all they are concerned with.

[Spence]

But this one is my personal favorite:
http://i.imgur.com/V2ILO.png

Accusation of "intellectual dishonesty" (after I challenged the claims in the petition against Justin Vacula, and in place of any substantive response to the questions I posed) was exactly how I was banned from the Atheism+ forum.

LOL, well done for getting so far without getting banned. I like the idea that such a trivial thing as noting PeeZus' false dichotomy (agree with us or you're anti-feminist) is "intellectual dishonesty" or "mental acrobatics".

The usual response is "good faith" though - they can't attack your arguments, so they impugn motive, something they cannot possibly know, but also something that can't be falsified in the eyes of their peers. The get out clause of a baboon that has abandoned skepticism on at least this topic.

[papillon]

FreeThoughtBlogs - It's a Guy Thing!!!

"Guys, don't do that"
"How could you be so angry at four little words in an off the cuff Youtube video? That's all it was and now Rebeccas being threatened, cyberstalked and having her every word pulled apart and examined by evil misogynists. Four little words. What's the big deal?"

"It's a guy thing"
"WAAAHHH !!11! - misogyny 101 ! we knew he hated women all along! now he doesn't even bother to hide it!! Teh patriarchy is protecting him. Pass me that book of his and I'll prove it by cherry picking the witch hunt part..see told you..the sexism is just dripping off him! Just like Hitchens and Dawkins. Privileged rich white man that he is.
BURN HIM! CAST HIM OUT! BURN HIM WITH FIRE!

...just four words eh?

[real horrorshow]

BTW - anyone notice the Good Reverend has been AWOL for a few days?

Or hes sick. There are a few bugs going around. Ive been sick as fuck since Thursday. Hate the world right now.

The last I saw of Mykeru he was in a Twitter-tussle with Laden who was gloating over finding his real name (in the copyright info on his website) and posted a link to his LinkedIn entry. Laden also published someone's address - I'm not sure whose - along with a Redfin link showing a picture of the property. Someone with a Twitter account may wish to look at it all.

[ReneeHendricks]

BTW - anyone notice the Good Reverend has been AWOL for a few days?

Or hes sick. There are a few bugs going around. Ive been sick as fuck since Thursday. Hate the world right now.

The last I saw of Mykeru he was in a Twitter-tussle with Laden who was gloating over finding his real name (in the copyright info on his website) and posted a link to his LinkedIn entry. Laden also published someone's address - I'm not sure whose - along with a Redfin link showing a picture of the property. Someone with a Twitter account may wish to look at it all.

I think that Redfin link was for Mykeru. Greg Laden is such a fucking pansy. When he can't win an argument (read: never), he resorts to this bullshit doxxing crap.

[real horrorshow]

I think that Redfin link was for Mykeru. Greg Laden is such a fucking pansy. When he can't win an argument (read: never), he resorts to this bullshit doxxing crap.

Isn't that a no-no on TwittleTwat?

[Dilurk]

Richard Dawkins is being cherry picked again and not just by the theists. This bears repeating over and over again.
http://richarddawkins.net/foundation_ar ... NYPFKWfsXc

[ReneeHendricks]

A quick update for those interested - we won't be finding out squat about my guy's possible lymphoma until mid-January. Funny bit, however, is he is now using "my cancer" hurts as an excuse for everything and wanted to know if anyone here had suggested blowjobs for him. Yeah, he's handling it rather well.

[ReneeHendricks]

I think that Redfin link was for Mykeru. Greg Laden is such a fucking pansy. When he can't win an argument (read: never), he resorts to this bullshit doxxing crap.

Isn't that a no-no on TwittleTwat?

You'd think but unless you intend to cause actual harm, apparently you can put out anything you'd like about a person. I've "double-dog dared" him to dox me and then show up on my doorstep. Oddly enough, he won't take me up on that dare.

[CommanderTuvok]

You can guarentee that Svan, Ophelia, Scurvy Amy and all the others who moan and groan about "doxxing", will continue to turn a blind eye to Laden's cyberstalking and doxxing.

[ReneeHendricks]

Richard Dawkins is being cherry picked again and not just by the theists. This bears repeating over and over again.
http://richarddawkins.net/foundation_ar ... NYPFKWfsXc

Interesting piece. While I was not sexually abused as a child, I was physically abused over a long period of time. Due to that physical abuse, I have a progressing issue with memory problems (many blows to the skull using fists, hard handled brushes, and even metal batons will do some screwed up shit, btw). Coupled with that, I grew up in a very religious household and was told about hell nearly every day. To this day, I still have nightmares about hell even though I know no such place exists. In my world, both things have had long-lasting effects.

Turn then to the fact that I've dealt with rape. It was a one-time instance that took me a bit to deal with but I don't live in constant fear of this one instance in my life. I don't have nightmares over it nor do I look at every man as a potential rapist. Clearly it seems as though repetition is the key (I just said "doh!" under my breath).

Out of these three things, I've found my dumbass subconscious screwing with me over the concept of something that doesn't exist is more worrisome than the other two. Odd.

[papillon]

A quick update for those interested - we won't be finding out squat about my guy's possible lymphoma until mid-January. Funny bit, however, is he is now using "my cancer" hurts as an excuse for everything and wanted to know if anyone here had suggested blowjobs for him. Yeah, he's handling it rather well.

:lol: Brilliant. Let's hope he gets the all clear.
If he does, I think the blowjob treatment should persist for a good few months afterwards.
Just as a precautionary measure you understand.

[acathode]

http://i.imgur.com/KemFN.jpg

Marnie seemingly forgetting that constantly criticise and ridicule the likes of PZ, Laden, Canuck, Dillahunty, etc. all of the time...

This is rather rich coming from the people who go absolute bananas if women doesn't toe their party line, so much that they've even use special slurs to describe them, ie. chill girls, queen bees, and gender traitors.

It's also fucking rich considering that the FTB people has shown over and over again that they are incapable of exactly that sort of civil disagreement. This is the core reason why I cannot stand FTB.

I don't buy their leftist half-radical kind of feminism, but that's not actually the big issue. I don't buy Penn Jillette's libertarianism either, and I've actually read and discussed other feminist with similar views as the FTB ones, and I still talk to those people, and I still respect them, even though we hold very very different views on feminism etc.

You know why? Because those people were mature adults who, just as me, could tolerate and accept that people have different opinions on some thing, and still were capable of having a polite, rational discussion about those things, without jumping to the conclusion that those people who disagreed where pure fucking evil monsters where the only possible retort was to yell "OMG MISOGYNIST. Fuck yourself with a rusty knife! Mod, plz ban!!".
Discussing these things with the rare feminists capable of real discussions can actually be quite fun, even though, or maybe exactly because, they hold very different views.

FTB though, they are completely incapable of having a intellectually honest discussion with someone who disagrees with their political and ideological views. Their gut reaction to anyone showing any sort of disagreement is to make it shut up, by any means possible.

If it's on their turf, it's simple: Banhammer and dogpile it.
If it's on others turf: False flag their YT vids, get their twitter accounts suspended, issue false DMCAs again blogs, dox them if you can, or contact their supervisors, schools and workplaces. ANYTHING, as long as they SHUT THE FUCK UP!
If it's someone well known and respected that doesn't think like FTB, like for example being a libertarian or not buying their toxic version of feminism: Start a smear campaign by quote-mining, lying and misrepresenting them.

[comslave]

Marnie seemingly forgetting that WE constantly criticise and ridicule the likes of PZ, Laden, Canuck, Dillahunty, etc. all of the time...

This is because the natural state of women is to be forever uncriticized. The natural state of men is to be constantly criticized. You were upsetting the natural state. :naughty:

[Michael J]

Even though it is a trap. I think that it shows PZ is getting worried about tye amount of criticism they are generating.

I think he's more worried about blog hits and revenue.

That's what I meant by worried. I wouldnt be surprised if PZ is seeing a real drop in page views and I wonder if the invites to conferences are starting to drop off. I think that he is seeing other networks like skepticink as a real threat

[Gefan]

A quick update for those interested - we won't be finding out squat about my guy's possible lymphoma until mid-January. Funny bit, however, is he is now using "my cancer" hurts as an excuse for everything and wanted to know if anyone here had suggested blowjobs for him. Yeah, he's handling it rather well.

Waiting for news like that is brutal. The blowjobs might make the time pass quicker.
Solidarity, and all that.

[rayshul]

WHICH women? is my question after reading that Marnie post. Because it's sure not all of them.

It's just the fucking stupid women.



Did not mention it earlier Renee but sorry to hear about your situation. The waiting is killer for these things. :( My husband has a wee tumor problem hisself, but I've discovered I can keep his mind of it by saying things like, "Oh you should go do the dishes... it'll keep your mind of things... also I think the house needs cleaning..."

[sKepptiksowat]

So this summer my friend asks, did you here about elevator gate? I say, no, but I'll check it out... a buhjillion words and a few months later...wtf?

Here I am.

I've been looking for a new hobby since I took down Scientology.

Me thinks this unlikely cult of FTB/A-plussers is right up my alley.

Back to lurking and pre-production.

One of my favorite vids of the anons in Vancouver.

[youtube]HhTtR3oQcYA[/youtube]

[Steersman]

Talking about relativism and Post Modernism I am enjoying http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

Seems legit ;)

You know that that is entirely a spoof, an entirely justified twisting of the knife in the guts of postmoderism, don’t you? In case you or others don’t here’s Dawkins’ discussion along with a reference to that program and site, directly or indirectly:

If he were writing his parody today, he'd surely have been helped by a virtuoso piece of computer programming by Andrew Bulhak of Melbourne: the Postmodernism Generator. Every time you visit it, at http://www.cs.monash.edu.au/cgi-bin/postmodern, it will spontaneously generate for you, using falutless grammatical principles, a spanking new postmodern discourse, never before seen. I have just been there, and it produced for me a 6,000 word article called "Capitalist theory and the subtextual paradigm of context" by "David I.L.Werther and Rudolf du Garbandier of the Department of English, Cambridge University" (poetic justice there, for it was Cambridge who saw fit to give Jacques Derrida an honorary degree). Here's a typical sentence from this impressively erudite work:

If one examines capitalist theory, one is faced with a choice: either reject neotextual materialism or conclude that society has objective value. If dialectic desituationism holds, we have to choose between Habermasian discourse and the subtextual paradigm of context. It could be said that the subject is contextualised into a textual nationalism that includes truth as a reality. In a sense, the premise of the subtextual paradigm of context states that reality comes from the collective unconscious.

[papillon]

So this summer my friend asks, did you here about elevator gate? I say, no, but I'll check it out... a buhjillion words and a few months later...wtf?

Here I am.

I've been looking for a new hobby since I took down Scientology.

Me thinks this unlikely cult of FTB/A-plussers is right up my alley.

Back to lurking and pre-production.

One of my favorite vids of the anons in Vancouver.

Welcome.
Are you David Edgar Love?
At least this FTB sorry mob aren't killing people with sham rehabs.

[papillon]

Talking about relativism and Post Modernism I am enjoying http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

Seems legit ;)

You know that that is entirely a spoof, an entirely justified twisting of the knife in the guts of postmoderism, don’t you?

Hence the winking smiley.
...Or I could have been trying a bit of ironic post-modern humour.

[Spence]

I didn't see a link in Richard Dawkins' piece to the original article (tut!) so here it is:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... wkins.html

As ever, shocking misrepresentation by the daily fail, and lots of people whining that Dawkins is belittling sexual abuse without reference to what Dawkins actually said. I note many in the comments suggest he is making light of sexual abuse. Entirely missing (and deliberately misrepresenting) Dawkins' point that sexual abuse is serious, but so is the psychological abuse entwined in religious teachings. They also ignore the point that abuse is on many levels, and Dawkins is actually quoting someone else - the survivor of abuse of both varieties. Grr.

Anyway, this won't be new to anyone here. But what is interesting is that the FfTB brigade are producing a similar level of debate as the worst tabloid in the UK. For the uninitiated, the daily mail is a bit like a paper version of Fox news with even less regard for quality.

[Dilurk]

Talking about relativism and Post Modernism I am enjoying http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

Seems legit ;)

You know that that is entirely a spoof, an entirely justified twisting of the knife in the guts of postmoderism, don’t you? In case you or others don’t here’s Dawkins’ discussion along with a reference to that program and site, directly or indirectly:

Heh I figured the refresh giving a completely new silly article each time would give it away as a spoof. I am sure no one on here fell into the trap of thinking they were real articles. Of course, the articles generated almost look real since they are as bad as some legitimate POMO I have seen. POE ?

POMO can be a perfectly valid tool for analysing literary fiction as far as I can see but it has no application at all in the real world. I remember being very amused at the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_Affair. The Dawkins article was a forehead slapper alright. La la land.

[Dilurk]

I didn't see a link in Richard Dawkins' piece to the original article (tut!) so here it is:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... wkins.html

As ever, shocking misrepresentation by the daily fail, and lots of people whining that Dawkins is belittling sexual abuse without reference to what Dawkins actually said. I note many in the comments suggest he is making light of sexual abuse. Entirely missing (and deliberately misrepresenting) Dawkins' point that sexual abuse is serious, but so is the psychological abuse entwined in religious teachings. They also ignore the point that abuse is on many levels, and Dawkins is actually quoting someone else - the survivor of abuse of both varieties. Grr.

Anyway, this won't be new to anyone here. But what is interesting is that the FfTB brigade are producing a similar level of debate as the worst tabloid in the UK. For the uninitiated, the daily mail is a bit like a paper version of Fox news with even less regard for quality.

The usual suspects on twitter were gasping about what a prat Dawkins is, based solely upon this hatchet job by the daily fail. The usual propaganda tactics being used and so-called sceptics not noticing.

[sKepptiksowat]

So this summer my friend asks, did you here about elevator gate? I say, no, but I'll check it out... a buhjillion words and a few months later...wtf?

Here I am.

I've been looking for a new hobby since I took down Scientology.

Me thinks this unlikely cult of FTB/A-plussers is right up my alley.

Back to lurking and pre-production.

One of my favorite vids of the anons in Vancouver.

Welcome.
Are you David Edgar Love?

No, but I did hang out and film him having a discussion with Gerry Armstrong [youtube]l68oXw1vKWE[/youtube]

[katamari Damassi]

I think that Redfin link was for Mykeru. Greg Laden is such a fucking pansy. When he can't win an argument (read: never), he resorts to this bullshit doxxing crap.

Isn't that a no-no on TwittleTwat?

You'd think but unless you intend to cause actual harm, apparently you can put out anything you'd like about a person. I've "double-dog dared" him to dox me and then show up on my doorstep. Oddly enough, he won't take me up on that dare.

Renee, tell him BJ's helped me get through my lymphoma, but I was giving not receiving them.

[katamari Damassi]

Whoops! Quote fail.

[katamari Damassi]

Is there a way to delete or edit our own posts? I know I should use the preview function but damage is already done.

[Gumby]

Is there a way to delete or edit our own posts?

Nope. And that is intentional. We have to stand by our words here.

[katamari Damassi]

Is there a way to delete or edit our own posts?

Nope. And that is intentional. We have to stand by our words here.

I get that, I just need to fix occasional screw ups. I'm working with an ancient mac that sometimes doesn't even show me what I'm typing. I start typing and that little fucking spinning color wheel comes up and I have to wait 30 seconds for the words I've typed to appear. It doesn't happen all the time but often enough, so I get fed up and hit submit before I've seen the whole thing. Using preview would probably add ten minutes to a post. And yes I'm planning to get a new computer. Probably a PC next time since the site of the spinning color wheel causes my blood pressure to soar and gives me barely controllable computer smashing fantasies.

[real horrorshow]

Is there a way to delete or edit our own posts?

Nope. And that is intentional. We have to stand by our words here.

I get that, I just need to fix occasional screw ups.

Alas not even that. There was some discussion in the earliest days (with Baboons eagerly seizing on the notion that we'd have any post facto editing at all). It was concluded that the only way was to have no editing options for posters. If it's any comfort, everyone gets nipped by it from time to time. All you can do, if it's a real mess, is post again explaining what you meant.

[sKepptiksowat]

Is there a way to delete or edit our own posts?

"I'm working with an ancient mac"

Well, there's yur problem right there.

I'm still on a 386 with Windows 3. Never had a problem.

[Walter Ego]

Richard Carrier - Your spit riddled clarion call to separate the wheat from the chaff, to cast out the demons among your flock was fucking hilarious. The icing on the cake was Massimo Pigliucci noting dryly that, yes, Richard has a history of such behaviour.

I've always thought Carrier was a smarmy prick. Now it's official.

I have had occasional epistolary encounters with Carrier, and they have left a seriously bad taste in my mouth. His intemperance with people who happen to disagree — even marginally — with his position is nauseating (just ask the editor of Skeptical Inquirer, who occasionally receives and promptly refuses to publish Richard’s letters about my columns).

http://machineslikeus.com/news/comment- ... e/page/0/1

[Steersman]

Dilurk said: Talking about relativism and Post Modernism I am enjoying http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

Seems legit ;)

You know that that is entirely a spoof, an entirely justified twisting of the knife in the guts of postmoderism, don’t you? In case you or others don’t here’s Dawkins’ discussion along with a reference to that program and site, directly or indirectly:

Heh I figured the refresh giving a completely new silly article each time would give it away as a spoof. I am sure no one on here fell into the trap of thinking they were real articles. Of course, the articles generated almost look real since they are as bad as some legitimate POMO I have seen. POE?

I sort of doubted that too so apologies if I've belaboured the point, but I also figured that anyone skimming the article or not clicking anything to get another variation might have concluded that it was sort of a “one-off”, not part of a systematic take-down. And I thought it was also an opportunity to read something more into the record on the question.

But part of my objections to at least some of feminism – third and fourth wave stuff mostly – is that it seems to a significant degree more interested in manufacturing controversy by spinning bizarre and totally evidence-free fantasies ["privilege", anyone?] than understanding the roots of various stereotypes and behaviour patterns. I wonder whether PZ is aware of that “philosophy” and its pernicious influence on feminism – probably not as he seems to have his head in the sand – or some other place where the sun don’t shine – when it comes to problematic consequences of the latter.

POMO can be a perfectly valid tool for analysing literary fiction as far as I can see but it has no application at all in the real world. I remember being very amused at the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_Affair. The Dawkins article was a forehead slapper alright. La la land.

Exactly; if there’s anything that deserves more the descriptor “jaw-dropping” then I’m not sure I – or my jaw – could handle it. Very similar in essence to religious fundamentalism with its wishful thinking; reminds me of an essay by P.B. Medawar who talked of “Philosophick Romances” in his The Art of the Soluble:

Even the more sophisticated authors of “Philosophick Romances” did not seem to realize that any one set of phenomena could be explained by many hypotheses other than the one they fancied. It seems a strange blindness, but I think that Dugald Stewart in a finely reasoned passage got to the bottom of it. It was a favorite conceit in eighteenth-century philosophizing – Stewart found it in Boscovich, Le Sage, D’Alembert, Gravesande and Hartley – that natural philosophy is, in David Hartley’s words, “… the art of deciphering the Mysteries of Nature … so that … every Theory which can explain all the Phaenomena, has all the same Evidence in its favour, that it is possible the Key of a Cypher can have from its explaining that Cypher.” [Two Conceptions of Science; pg 147]

One would think, given PZ’s and Watson’s recent criticisms of evo psych as just-so stories, that they would realize that much of feminist dogma can be characterized the same way, as so many “philosophick romances” ….

[sKepptiksowat]

Richard Carrier - Your spit riddled clarion call to separate the wheat from the chaff, to cast out the demons among your flock was fucking hilarious. The icing on the cake was Massimo Pigliucci noting dryly that, yes, Richard has a history of such behaviour.

I've always thought Carrier was a smarmy prick. Now it's official.

I have had occasional epistolary encounters with Carrier, and they have left a seriously bad taste in my mouth. His intemperance with people who happen to disagree — even marginally — with his position is nauseating (just ask the editor of Skeptical Inquirer, who occasionally receives and promptly refuses to publish Richard’s letters about my columns).

http://machineslikeus.com/news/comment- ... e/page/0/1

Couldn't agree more.

When I read his post on A+ I immediately thought cult. Has he ever posted on A+? lol

[Skep tickle]

FreeThoughtBlogs - It's a Guy Thing!!!

"Guys, don't do that"
"How could you be so angry at four little words in an off the cuff Youtube video? That's all it was and now Rebeccas being threatened, cyberstalked and having her every word pulled apart and examined by evil misogynists. Four little words. What's the big deal?"

"It's a guy thing"
"WAAAHHH !!11! - misogyny 101 ! we knew he hated women all along! now he doesn't even bother to hide it!! Teh patriarchy is protecting him. Pass me that book of his and I'll prove it by cherry picking the witch hunt part..see told you..the sexism is just dripping off him! Just like Hitchens and Dawkins. Privileged rich white man that he is.
BURN HIM! CAST HIM OUT! BURN HIM WITH FIRE!

...just four words eh?

Haha. Good observation.

[Skep tickle]

Richard Carrier - Your spit riddled clarion call to separate the wheat from the chaff, to cast out the demons among your flock was fucking hilarious. The icing on the cake was Massimo Pigliucci noting dryly that, yes, Richard has a history of such behaviour.

I've always thought Carrier was a smarmy prick. Now it's official.

I have had occasional epistolary encounters with Carrier, and they have left a seriously bad taste in my mouth. His intemperance with people who happen to disagree — even marginally — with his position is nauseating (just ask the editor of Skeptical Inquirer, who occasionally receives and promptly refuses to publish Richard’s letters about my columns).

http://machineslikeus.com/news/comment- ... e/page/0/1

Couldn't agree more.

When I read his post on A+ I immediately thought cult. Has he ever posted on A+? lol

Most of the big names haven't. I haven't really kept up (can't search by member names & their posts since I was banned) but Greta Christina definitely posted there at least once (she's started a thread on the petition witchhunt against Justin Vacula) and maybe one other post, I can't recall. Maybe 1 or a couple by Jason "Lousy Canuck". I haven't noticed anything by any other infamous blogger or personality (Watson, Laden, PZ, Carrier, Svan, etc).

There was the whole "Curious" debacle with Matt Dillahunty, though - had you heard of that? He had said he was a supporter, then went there. Here's how it went down: http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1502

These posts give an idea of how the denizens of A+ forum feel about Dillahunty now:
http://atheismplus.com/forums/search.ph ... dillahunty

And Dillahunty made a couple of Youtube videos about his side of it, before clamming up about Atheism Plus.

Have fun poking around!