I'd run like fuck if he attacked me... :ocomhcinc wrote:The best one.
In fact, I'd summon the high-heeled-head-of-state to deal with the fucker!
I'd run like fuck if he attacked me... :ocomhcinc wrote:The best one.
That is amazing. He seriously has no shame. Policy was in the way of getting laid, so he ditches it. So he can leverage his speaking position into pussy, which I would have sworn some FtBs used to find pretty offensive. A certain recently minted PhD comes to mind.Brive1987 wrote:It's this sort of self serving mental terraforming that makes RC a danger, His is a strictly true view that ignores the moral and ethical implications of SSA's action.
It's all the wisdom I have, but I don't mind sharing it. :lol:JackSkeptic wrote:And much widom is spoketh. Amen.Scented Nectar wrote:A thick one is nice to find when the pants come down. Long and thick, that is, not some stubby 1"x1" technical choad, just to clarify. :PBhurzum wrote:Well, my "thick one" is always fashionable!
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In all seriousness, how does it feel to be thrown under the bus by such a large group of people supposedly about social justice? Gays getting the right to marry eliminated all homophobia in the same way a black president eliminated racism. But they've lumped gay white guys in with the rest of us privilege holders. Is there any good pushback?katamari Damassi wrote:Ugh. A week after the Orlando gay club murder spree, my prediction that the narrative would be about race and trans is coming true. Feministing, Huffpo, and even the Advocate are all pushing the story that the shooter was targeting the latin and trans communities.
NPR hasn't gone that far yet (that I've heard). Links?katamari Damassi wrote:Ugh. A week after the Orlando gay club murder spree, my prediction that the narrative would be about race and trans is coming true. Feministing, Huffpo, and even the Advocate are all pushing the story that the shooter was targeting the latin and trans communities.
My theory is that he sees Brive as a gnat and enjoys swatting him away with the truth of the matter. It's debate practice for him. A boxer sparring with a twelve-year-old to keep his instincts sharp.CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:That is amazing. He seriously has no shame. Policy was in the way of getting laid, so he ditches it. So he can leverage his speaking position into pussy, which I would have sworn some FtBs used to find pretty offensive. A certain recently minted PhD comes to mind.Brive1987 wrote:It's this sort of self serving mental terraforming that makes RC a danger, His is a strictly true view that ignores the moral and ethical implications of SSA's action.
How does he keep talking to you, Brive? More credit to him, but he blocked me for far less.
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:In all seriousness, how does it feel to be thrown under the bus by such a large group of people supposedly about social justice? Gays getting the right to marry eliminated all homophobia in the same way a black president eliminated racism. But they've lumped gay white guys in with the rest of us privilege holders. Is there any good pushback?katamari Damassi wrote:Ugh. A week after the Orlando gay club murder spree, my prediction that the narrative would be about race and trans is coming true. Feministing, Huffpo, and even the Advocate are all pushing the story that the shooter was targeting the latin and trans communities.
Really? wrote:My theory is that he sees Brive as a gnat and enjoys swatting him away with the truth of the matter. It's debate practice for him. A boxer sparring with a twelve-year-old to keep his instincts sharp.CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:That is amazing. He seriously has no shame. Policy was in the way of getting laid, so he ditches it. So he can leverage his speaking position into pussy, which I would have sworn some FtBs used to find pretty offensive. A certain recently minted PhD comes to mind.Brive1987 wrote:It's this sort of self serving mental terraforming that makes RC a danger, His is a strictly true view that ignores the moral and ethical implications of SSA's action.
How does he keep talking to you, Brive? More credit to him, but he blocked me for far less.
Oh, no, I'm guessing it will increase misogyny. It's Hillary.comhcinc wrote:CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:In all seriousness, how does it feel to be thrown under the bus by such a large group of people supposedly about social justice? Gays getting the right to marry eliminated all homophobia in the same way a black president eliminated racism. But they've lumped gay white guys in with the rest of us privilege holders. Is there any good pushback?katamari Damassi wrote:Ugh. A week after the Orlando gay club murder spree, my prediction that the narrative would be about race and trans is coming true. Feministing, Huffpo, and even the Advocate are all pushing the story that the shooter was targeting the latin and trans communities.
Wait.....wait,wait. Are you saying that if Clinton gets elected it will be the end to misogyny?
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Nice to see him wearing something other than the polo shirt. Still red, thocomhcinc wrote:free thoughtpolice wrote:Captain Fluffy Bunny: Check your email.
Yes check I got something for you too!
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"skeevy"? As in "unnatural", and "should be anathematized from pulpits across the land"? Seems kind of judgemental and not particularly "sex positive". While I'll concede that Carrier might well have crossed the line on various conference policies and should maybe be taken to task for it, one might suggest that that characterization of "skeeviness" is rather "problematic".d4m10n wrote:We know that Carrier "dates" college girls. Yes, that is pretty fucking skeevy at his age, but then Shermer was pretty skeevy when he got with a woman half his age at TAM. ....Really? wrote:Look what Carrier said just this week about his student-fucking policy, bolding mine :http://archive.is/cgbQJ#selection-5517.0-5532.0Richard Carrier wrote:So the SSA didn’t have to pick sides in a dispute. There wasn’t any dispute. I did not challenge the complaint (believing it to be describing the only actual incident it could possibly have been describing). And they already noted that I had publicly said years ago that if I wanted to have the freedom to date students (and thus express interest in them), and the SSA insisted on that being against policy, “I’d just withdraw from the SSA Speaker’s Bureau.” So we agreed that’s what I should do. And I did. I haven’t been on it for over a year. And I since date or have dated students or former students, without incident.
Skeeviness may be the underlying the problem here, but the proximate problem is that Carrier violated specific conference policies after having publicly stated his personal disagreement with them. ....
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Agreed. Although no one has been accused of wrongdoing at Camp Quest, at least not yet. That was just an exercise in creative writing from Team CHUD.
I suspect that the Sheffield Uni and Thunderf00t graph thing has made him wary of the Pit and it's worth having one eye open on us. But I'd assume my time is short.CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:That is amazing. He seriously has no shame. Policy was in the way of getting laid, so he ditches it. So he can leverage his speaking position into pussy, which I would have sworn some FtBs used to find pretty offensive. A certain recently minted PhD comes to mind.Brive1987 wrote:It's this sort of self serving mental terraforming that makes RC a danger, His is a strictly true view that ignores the moral and ethical implications of SSA's action.
How does he keep talking to you, Brive? More credit to him, but he blocked me for far less.
I haven't heard anything like that on NPR yet. Here's the Advocate: http://www.advocate.com/youth/2016/6/17 ... ulse-vigilSkep tickle wrote:NPR hasn't gone that far yet (that I've heard). Links?katamari Damassi wrote:Ugh. A week after the Orlando gay club murder spree, my prediction that the narrative would be about race and trans is coming true. Feministing, Huffpo, and even the Advocate are all pushing the story that the shooter was targeting the latin and trans communities.
There's a lot of pushback in the comments, which is heartening. It's the media that's infested by the SJW minority.CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:In all seriousness, how does it feel to be thrown under the bus by such a large group of people supposedly about social justice? Gays getting the right to marry eliminated all homophobia in the same way a black president eliminated racism. But they've lumped gay white guys in with the rest of us privilege holders. Is there any good pushback?katamari Damassi wrote:Ugh. A week after the Orlando gay club murder spree, my prediction that the narrative would be about race and trans is coming true. Feministing, Huffpo, and even the Advocate are all pushing the story that the shooter was targeting the latin and trans communities.
katamari Damassi wrote:I haven't heard anything like that on NPR yet. Here's the Advocate: http://www.advocate.com/youth/2016/6/17 ... ulse-vigilSkep tickle wrote:NPR hasn't gone that far yet (that I've heard). Links?katamari Damassi wrote:Ugh. A week after the Orlando gay club murder spree, my prediction that the narrative would be about race and trans is coming true. Feministing, Huffpo, and even the Advocate are all pushing the story that the shooter was targeting the latin and trans communities.
If your name is Katrina Statinski and you are in the United States, you cannot expect to hear your name spoken with all of its Eastern European flavor. You should only take offense if the speaker is clearly being an asshole about it.And she wanted to read the names. She thought some people might have trouble pronouncing the Spanish names properly, so she volunteered because “they deserve to be spoken correctly.”
To be fair, it's probably a failure on my part - my memory of "helter skelter" was that of a race war predicted by Manson. I was playing to the "Steers = Hitler" 'pit-meme but failed miserably. C'est la vie, non?Steersman wrote: ??? Generally familiar with the reference, although it seems to have a lot of connotations and uses, but Manson was saying otherwise?
Thanks. I tend to avoid longer posts because you intellectual types shouldn't be subjected to my barely-literate scribblings. Who knows, maybe I'll assault the forum with longer posts in future?Steersman wrote:But, en passant, nice analysis of the British Army - not at all a "word salad". :-) Though I had thought you had been in the US rather than in the UK forces. Learn something new every day and all that.
I am 100% pro-Brexit. The EU is undemocratic in nature (some would argue anti-democratic) and as such, I cannot support it or the parties who do so. All other aspects and considerations (immigration, security, financial, trade regulations/agreements etc) play second fiddle to our sovereignty.Steersman wrote:But I'm curious about your position on Brexit <snippety>
The specific episode is called "Sensitivity": http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0685323/VickyCaramel wrote:It's Dennis Leary? Anyone know where he stole it from so I can watch the original?Bhurzum wrote:"Rescue me"VickyCaramel wrote:What show is that from? It looks fun.
It's a great show but drags on a bit during the last couple of series and truth be told, it's pretty much a vehicle for Dennis Leary. Oh, and they drive you nuts by hammering the "I'm Irish" button every episode.
I linked to the full show (all episodes/seasons) but maybe she missed it?BoxNDox wrote:The specific episode is called "Sensitivity" <snip>
Not sure whether I've ever claimed to be sex positive.Steersman wrote:"skeevy"? As in "unnatural", and "should be anathematized from pulpits across the land"? Seems kind of judgemental and not particularly "sex positive".d4m10n wrote:
Skeeviness may be the underlying the problem here, but the proximate problem is that Carrier violated specific conference policies after having publicly stated his personal disagreement with them...
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Agreed. Although no one has been accused of wrongdoing at Camp Quest, at least not yet. That was just an exercise in creative writing from Team CHUD.
A middle-aged man trying to score with coeds is basically the working definition of skeevy, my friend.Steersman wrote:While I'll concede that Carrier might well have crossed the line on various conference policies and should maybe be taken to task for it, one might suggest that that characterization of "skeeviness" is rather "problematic".
There is ample scientific evidence telling us not to expect teenagers to reason well about long-term consequences. Share and enjoy.Steersman wrote:For one thing, I think it is characterizing all young women, and men, above the age of consent as air-headed bimbos that don't know their own minds, and aren't to be trusted with any "agency" at all.
At least we can agree about something.Steersman wrote: I'll also agree that more than a few, including here, have apparently let their "creative writing" abilities get the better of their judgement. Creating hypotheticals is all fine and dandy - as long as one keeps in mind that, sans evidence, that's all they are.
It's interesting that this differs from the OSU student conduct policy (also understandable, given that religion somes up at SSACon and given that it's a private group, not a government agency). Note this similar but not identical section from the student conduct policy (key differences are in green):SSA wrote:To help make the SSA conference a great experience for everyone, please read and follow these policies and regulations for the event. Many of these are drawn from campus policy and could cause repercussions for our host group if they are violated. <snip, snip>
6. The SSA is dedicated to providing a harassment-free conference experience for every one; regardless of race, color, national origin, age, creed, worldview, disability, veteran status, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or gender expression. We do not tolerate harassment of conference participants in any form. For more details on this policy, see below.
Back to the SSA conference policy:OSU wrote:Misconduct, other than constitutionally protected expression, motivated by bias based on age, color, disability, gender identity or expression, national origin, race, religion, sex, sexual orientation, or veteran status may be considered an aggravating factor for sanctioning. Impairment resulting from voluntary use of alcohol or drugs (i.e., other than medically necessary) will also be considered an aggravating, and not a mitigating, factor.
The link under "age of consent is 16" is bizarre - it's to the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center, 140 miles from Columbus, & the page linked doesn't say anything about the age of consent.SSA wrote:7. If you choose to form a physical relationship with a fellow attendee, please keep in mind that such relationships should always be safe, consensual, and legal.
- Safe: Use appropriate protection in order to minimize the risk of STDs and unwanted pregnancy. (Is it a violation of conference policy if those choosing to engage in sexual activity choose not to use protection? :think: ) There are many convenience stores on and around campus that provide protection options (including Plan B). More information can be found here. (Links to Planned Parenthood page on safer sex)
- Consensual: Obtain affirmative, conscious, and voluntary agreement (Links to Brute Reason tumblr post, see comment below) from all parties before engaging in sexual activity. Passive consent, silence, and intoxicated consent are NOT consent! What does consent look like? (Links to Sex Etc By teens For Teens page on consent)
- Legal: Because SSA Con may have attendees under 18, please keep in mind the age of consent of the state you are in. (In Ohio, the age of consent is 16 (see comment below).)
In addition, the link to Miri's Tumblr page is kinda odd - this is the image:Columbus Criminal Defense Attorney wrote:One major exception (to age of consent being 16) is if someone is a teacher, administrator, coach, or in another position of authority over the accuser. If a person is in such a position of authority, and [/b]engages in sexual conduct with a minor (defined as under the age of 18 under Ohio law), then the person in authority may be guilty of the crime of “Sexual Battery,”[/b] in violation of Ohio Revised Code Section 2907.03(A)(8),(9), and (13).
They define what they mean by harassment, which is good. They hope that certain things are obvious, which is probably not ideal for a behavior policy (because there will be at least small differences between different people's assumptions about what's obvious, respectful, disparaging, or inappropriate).SSA wrote:8. Treat all attendees, speakers, and exhibitors with respect.
9. If you are staying in the dorms, please read and follow all dorm policies (provided with registration). This specifically includes the following:10. We reserve the right to ask you to leave the conference if you are behaving - in technical terms - like a jerk.
- No alcohol is permitted anywhere on campus, including in the dorms.
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We will take any reports of harassment or other inappropriate activity seriously. We consider harassment to be continued unwanted behavior directed toward another person. We hope it is obvious that you should not disparage your fellow conference goers on the basis of race, color, national origin, age, creed, worldview, disability, veteran status, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or gender expression. We further hope it is obvious that you should not make uninvited sexual comments toward anyone. If someone asks you to leave them alone or to otherwise stop a behavior that is directed toward them, comply with that person's wishes immediately.
SSA wrote:... If you notice someone else is being harassed, or just seems uncomfortable, feel free to bring it to the attention of an SSA staff member or volunteer. If you are worried about your physical safety, exit the situation as soon as possible and call 911. Please let SSA staff know what happened once you are safe.
All incidents of violence, physical intimidation, and unwanted intentional physical contact will result in immediate expulsion from the SSA Conference. People who harass others or cause multiple complaints of disrespectful behavior may be required to leave. SSA staff members are happy to help participants contact local law enforcement, and otherwise assist those experiencing harassment to feel safe at our conference. ...
In addition to communicating with SSA staff and volunteers, please look out for each other. Don't leave people alone with others who are clearly bothering them. Make sure you are setting a good example.
Can you point out that he was NOT removed from SSA events last year? He was a volunteer at the national convention and continued to speak at SSA orgs across the country.d4m10n wrote:In other Carrier news, I got a reply back from SSA
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The typos in that piece of shit are atrocious.d4m10n wrote:Share and enjoy
+ a whole bunchReally? wrote:Can you point out that he was NOT removed from SSA events last year? He was a volunteer at the national convention and continued to speak at SSA orgs across the country.d4m10n wrote:In other Carrier news, I got a reply back from SSA
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A "physical relationship with a fellow attendee?" Singular? Why not plural? I find it somewhat ironic that they are erasing polyamorous attendees.Skep tickle wrote: Back to the SSA conference policy:The link under "age of consent is 16" is bizarre - it's to the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center, 140 miles from Columbus, & the page linked doesn't say anything about the age of consent.SSA wrote:7. If you choose to form a physical relationship with a fellow attendee, please keep in mind that such relationships should always be safe, consensual, and legal.
- Safe: Use appropriate protection in order to minimize the risk of STDs and unwanted pregnancy. (Is it a violation of conference policy if those choosing to engage in sexual activity choose not to use protection? :think: ) There are many convenience stores on and around campus that provide protection options (including Plan B). More information can be found here. (Links to Planned Parenthood page on safer sex)
- Consensual: Obtain affirmative, conscious, and voluntary agreement (Links to Brute Reason tumblr post, see comment below) from all parties before engaging in sexual activity. Passive consent, silence, and intoxicated consent are NOT consent! What does consent look like? (Links to Sex Etc By teens For Teens page on consent)
- Legal: Because SSA Con may have attendees under 18, please keep in mind the age of consent of the state you are in. (In Ohio, the age of consent is 16 (see comment below).)
Here is a better edited article: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24173194Billie from Ockham wrote:The typos in that piece of shit are atrocious.d4m10n wrote:Share and enjoy
If you care to aggregate the links, I'll happily raise the issue.Really? wrote:Can you point out that he was NOT removed from SSA events last year? He was a volunteer at the national convention and continued to speak at SSA orgs across the country.d4m10n wrote:In other Carrier news, I got a reply back from SSA
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They are very cool (or whatever the current term is) adults, acknowledging that college students have sex and also educating the students about the right way to go about it.Really? wrote:A "physical relationship with a fellow attendee?" Singular? Why not plural? I find it somewhat ironic that they are erasing polyamorous attendees.Skep tickle wrote: Back to the SSA conference policy:The link under "age of consent is 16" is bizarre - it's to the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center, 140 miles from Columbus, & the page linked doesn't say anything about the age of consent.SSA wrote:7. If you choose to form a physical relationship with a fellow attendee, please keep in mind that such relationships should always be safe, consensual, and legal.
- Safe: Use appropriate protection in order to minimize the risk of STDs and unwanted pregnancy. (Is it a violation of conference policy if those choosing to engage in sexual activity choose not to use protection? :think: ) There are many convenience stores on and around campus that provide protection options (including Plan B). More information can be found here. (Links to Planned Parenthood page on safer sex)
- Consensual: Obtain affirmative, conscious, and voluntary agreement (Links to Brute Reason tumblr post, see comment below) from all parties before engaging in sexual activity. Passive consent, silence, and intoxicated consent are NOT consent! What does consent look like? (Links to Sex Etc By teens For Teens page on consent)
- Legal: Because SSA Con may have attendees under 18, please keep in mind the age of consent of the state you are in. (In Ohio, the age of consent is 16 (see comment below).)
And is it just me, or is that extensive sex policy a little disturbing? Sure, there may be a little sex going on at such a conference, but what's the line between trying to educate the attendees and making it seem like part of the program? And while it would be funny, I don't expect them to include a section about Richard Carrier, but they don't include anything about the speakers not having sex with the students. And yeah. That age of consent section is pretty disturbing.
I was at 0.1% before, but now I'm at 1% wondering what the hell is going on there.
Attendees might wonder, then, where all this mutually consensual sex is supposed to take place...SSA wrote:
- Do not allow anyone not registered for your room to stay in your room, both for safety reasons and to avoid intruding on your roommates.
In case people don't understand, most people doing the poly thing are not threesomes and orgies and such. It tends to be just people have different sexual partners at the same time. Like say I am in a poly relationship with Watson and Benson. I might fuck Watson on Mondays and Benson on Tuesdays. I might even fuck Benson Wednesday mornings and Watson Wednesday afternoons but never together.Really? wrote: A "physical relationship with a fellow attendee?" Singular? Why not plural? I find it somewhat ironic that they are erasing polyamorous attendees.
Skep tickle wrote:One line I clipped from the dorm policy is kinda funny given all the stuff about sex:Attendees might wonder, then, where all this mutually consensual sex is supposed to take place...SSA wrote:
- Do not allow anyone not registered for your room to stay in your room, both for safety reasons and to avoid intruding on your roommates.
Dr. Richard Carrier @RichardCCarrier
@brive1987 Wasn't banned. Removed from bureau. Speakers don't have to be on bureau, & when not, don't have to abide by the stricter policy.
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You've painted it very fucking vividly. Now I'm off to puke my guts out.comhcinc wrote:In case people don't understand, most people doing the poly thing are not threesomes and orgies and such. It tends to be just people have different sexual partners at the same time. Like say I am in a poly relationship with Watson and Benson. I might fuck Watson on Mondays and Benson on Tuesdays. I might even fuck Benson Wednesday mornings and Watson Wednesday afternoons but never together.Really? wrote: A "physical relationship with a fellow attendee?" Singular? Why not plural? I find it somewhat ironic that they are erasing polyamorous attendees.
I hope I have painted a picture that everyone takes to bed with them tonight :D
katamari Damassi wrote:There's a lot of pushback in the comments, which is heartening. It's the media that's infested by the SJW minority.CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:In all seriousness, how does it feel to be thrown under the bus by such a large group of people supposedly about social justice? Gays getting the right to marry eliminated all homophobia in the same way a black president eliminated racism. But they've lumped gay white guys in with the rest of us privilege holders. Is there any good pushback?katamari Damassi wrote:Ugh. A week after the Orlando gay club murder spree, my prediction that the narrative would be about race and trans is coming true. Feministing, Huffpo, and even the Advocate are all pushing the story that the shooter was targeting the latin and trans communities.
The photos show victims brown, black, and white. About half were from Puerto Rico, where mixed racial ancestry is common. From Wikipedia, for what that's worth, "Studies have shown that the ancestry of the 'average' Puerto Rican person (including Afro-Puerto Ricans) is about 64% European, 21% African, and 15% Taino/Amerindian, with European ancestry strongest on the west side of the island, African ancestry strongest on the east side, and consistent levels of Taino ancestry throughout the island" and "In the 2010 United States Census the total of Puerto Ricans that self-identified as White was 75.8%." As pointed out in the comments at the Advocate, Latino/a is an ethnicity, not a race.katamari Damassi wrote:I haven't heard anything like that on NPR yet. Here's the Advocate: http://www.advocate.com/youth/2016/6/17 ... ulse-vigil
What? You, too? I hope you made him pay for the dinner.comhcinc wrote:CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:Where I Stand at the Moment Actually, I'm reclining in bed. Laazzzy
I think any woman dumb enough to be fucking Carrier, let alone openly, is too stupid to work with children or be allowed to operate a motor vehicle.
Thank you
I think the same thing could be said about a lot of people and I include myself on that list.
Btw how ya feeling?
I've already replied to that tweet.free thoughtpolice wrote:Damion, consider this tweet by Carrier, he doesn't think he's banned:Dr. Richard Carrier @RichardCCarrier
@brive1987 Wasn't banned. Removed from bureau. Speakers don't have to be on bureau, & when not, don't have to abide by the stricter policy.
8:27 AM - 19 Jun 2016
You didn't?Easy J wrote:What? You, too? I hope you made him pay for the dinner.comhcinc wrote:CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:Where I Stand at the Moment Actually, I'm reclining in bed. Laazzzy
I think any woman dumb enough to be fucking Carrier, let alone openly, is too stupid to work with children or be allowed to operate a motor vehicle.
Thank you
I think the same thing could be said about a lot of people and I include myself on that list.
Btw how ya feeling?
He is lonely and you are probably the closest thing he has to a friend. Most of his allies probably think he is creepy.Brive1987 wrote:
I suspect that the Sheffield Uni and Thunderf00t graph thing has made him wary of the Pit and it's worth having one eye open on us. But I'd assume my time is short.
Hell, no! Little fucker stuck me with the motel bill, though.comhcinc wrote:You didn't?
Easy J wrote:Hell, no! Little fucker stuck me with the motel bill, though.comhcinc wrote:You didn't?
Did Carrier really just say, while an investigation is being conducted into SSA, when SSA have made statements that he was removed and has no involvement in SSA, that he can go to SSA events and use his use PUA schtick on students and that is 120% fine? Wow, he really is so fucking up his own arse he see's daylight and thinks it is the glow of his own aura of fantastic-ness.Really? wrote:Wow. Sticky Dicky is as dumb as he is horny.
So you're allowed to fuck the students as long as your name is not on a list. Shady as shit.
So, when the current President is on Heina's facebook page saying that Camp Quest West had zero involvement post 2009 (as recently as yesterday) and Carrier is on twitter saying he provided advice in 2014, which is why Camp Quest West listed him as a volunteer/friend in the AGR, which one do we beieve? Because one has documentary evidence to back up his claim, and the other appears to spewing bullshit. And, amazingly that latter isn't Carrier this time. Although I like how his story has now shifted from 'I donated' to providing advice and fundraising, thanks to Brive holding his toes to the fire.Really? wrote:And here's the start of the Camp Quest drip drip. So Carrier has also provided "advice" in some manner even though he was not involved with Camp Quest in any way.
That's exactly the kind of lawyering that is to be expected from these folks. By the way, there's still crickets everywhere in the blogosphere. We know how it is when Dawkins tweeted something they don't like, how dozens of blogs lit up in outrage. It thus seems to belong to the class of events that go into the memoryhole (a majority). It's only circulated in private, probably not because they like Carrier so much, but because it would harm their clique, and their gravy train.free thoughtpolice wrote:Damion, consider this tweet by Carrier, he doesn't think he's banned:Dr. Richard Carrier @RichardCCarrier
@brive1987 Wasn't banned. Removed from bureau. Speakers don't have to be on bureau, & when not, don't have to abide by the stricter policy.
8:27 AM - 19 Jun 2016
d4m10n wrote:If you care to aggregate the links, I'll happily raise the issue.Really? wrote:Can you point out that he was NOT removed from SSA events last year? He was a volunteer at the national convention and continued to speak at SSA orgs across the country.d4m10n wrote:In other Carrier news, I got a reply back from SSA
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They blasted Dawkins for complaining that airport security kabuki theater took his honey. Carrier actually does bad shit, especially according to their standards? Silence.Aneris wrote:That's exactly the kind of lawyering that is to be expected from these folks. By the way, there's still crickets everywhere in the blogosphere. We know how it is when Dawkins tweeted something they don't like, how dozens of blogs lit up in outrage. It thus seems to belong to the class of events that go into the memoryhole (a majority). It's only circulated in private, probably not because they like Carrier so much, but because it would harm their clique, and their gravy train.free thoughtpolice wrote:Damion, consider this tweet by Carrier, he doesn't think he's banned:Dr. Richard Carrier @RichardCCarrier
@brive1987 Wasn't banned. Removed from bureau. Speakers don't have to be on bureau, & when not, don't have to abide by the stricter policy.
8:27 AM - 19 Jun 2016
Was this how you left your previous job? ;-)Brive1987 wrote:Thanks! 6.50am. Time to get past day one probation.Skep tickle wrote:Congrats on the new jobs, rayshul & com & Brive!
Bigger pool of the perpetually outraged, of those teetering on the edge of their fainting couches; I expect there's at least a 100:1 ratio for followers of Dawkins versus Carrier. But the principle still holds.Really? wrote:They blasted Dawkins for complaining that airport security kabuki theater took his honey. Carrier actually does bad shit, especially according to their standards? Silence.Aneris wrote: <snip>
That's exactly the kind of lawyering that is to be expected from these folks. By the way, there's still crickets everywhere in the blogosphere. We know how it is when Dawkins tweeted something they don't like, how dozens of blogs lit up in outrage. It thus seems to belong to the class of events that go into the memoryhole (a majority). It's only circulated in private, probably not because they like Carrier so much, but because it would harm their clique, and their gravy train.
Fuck. I tried to post it thrice, using multiple accounts. It would appear they have either blocked me or locked the thread.Really? wrote:Damion: if you post my thing, I accidentally left the victim's name in one of the quotes. Feel free to pop it out. It's public everywhere else, and she is liking posts, but it looks like they are pretending it's not.
:clap: :clap: The plain wrongness of this sitution perfectly encapsulated. Thanks Really.Really? wrote:
My pleasure. Go ahead and edit this comment as you wish when you post.
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You just said that Richard Carrier was "removed from SSA sponsored events last year." This is demonstrably untrue.
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Carrier's "How to Do Wrong Right" post indicates that Carrier was not "removed" from SSA events. Carrier states instead that SSA merely expected him to follow the no-fraternization policy in the future. Who is telling the truth?
Think back. Men are almost never mentioned as men in the news. Reports may say people, and then women & children. News reports mainly refer to men by their utility such as Miners, Sailors, Crew or as Survivors and then say women and children.Skep tickle wrote:
What's struck me, that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere (not that I've gone looking specifically), is that by far most of the victims were men, presumably cis gay men. Maybe that's just so obvious it isn't being mentioned?
“There were a little over 800 people on board, including children aged between 10 and 12. There were Syrians, about 150 Eritreans, Somalians … They had left Tripoli at about 8am on Saturday.”
While aid agencies have not yet had access to the survivors of the wreck, one survivor airlifted to Sicily for medical treatment said the fishing boat had been carrying about 950 people, including many women and children.
Once this was pointed out to me, I found it impossible to ignore. So nothing unusual to me at all.While aid agencies have not yet had access to the survivors of the wreck, one survivor airlifted to Sicily for medical treatment said the fishing boat had been carrying about 950 people, including many women and children.
That would piss me off. Hopefully you have another point of contact.d4m10n wrote:Fuck. I tried to post it thrice, using multiple accounts. It would appear they have either blocked me or locked the thread.Really? wrote:Damion: if you post my thing, I accidentally left the victim's name in one of the quotes. Feel free to pop it out. It's public everywhere else, and she is liking posts, but it looks like they are pretending it's not.
I thought it was de rigueur for all right-thinking skeptics ....d4m10n wrote:Not sure whether I've ever claimed to be sex positive.Steersman wrote: <snip>
"skeevy"? As in "unnatural", and "should be anathematized from pulpits across the land"? Seems kind of judgemental and not particularly "sex positive".
As opposed their "purity balls"? But "misgivings" seems rather prejudicial ....d4m10n wrote:I tend to embrace a live-and-let-live attitude when it comes to consenting adults, but if a man my age was trying to hook up with teenage girls at any given freethought event, I'd certainly have some misgivings about his character. We atheists have enough of a reputational problem as it is, without playing right into the religious right's caricature of us as predatory sexual libertines.
Actually, it's "Offensively disgusting or repulsive; sleazy"; exactly what is so characterized is idiosyncratic - in the eye of the beholder and all that.d4m10n wrote:A middle-aged man trying to score with coeds is basically the working definition of skeevy, my friend.Steersman wrote:While I'll concede that Carrier might well have crossed the line on various conference policies and should maybe be taken to task for it, one might suggest that that characterization of "skeeviness" is rather "problematic".
No doubt many teenagers aren't particularly mature - as the BBC article emphasizes. But you seem to be insisting that none are. As mentioned, seems like tarring all for the sins of the few.d4m10n wrote:There is ample scientific evidence telling us not to expect teenagers to reason well about long-term consequences. Share and enjoy.Steersman wrote:For one thing, I think it is characterizing all young women, and men, above the age of consent as air-headed bimbos that don't know their own minds, and aren't to be trusted with any "agency" at all.
Ever onward and upward. :-)d4m10n wrote:At least we can agree about something.Steersman wrote: I'll also agree that more than a few, including here, have apparently let their "creative writing" abilities get the better of their judgement. Creating hypotheticals is all fine and dandy - as long as one keeps in mind that, sans evidence, that's all they are.
Richard? Lie? To make sure he doesn't look at bad as he is? A half-truth to make sure it didn't sound like he was cheating on her for years? Never.Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Remember folks, this is a sleep-over camp.
Now, if you all want to believe that Dickywasn't cruising for chicksdidn't come out as polyamorous untilhe gave the missus the jackhe and his wife opened up their marriage, I have a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in acquiring.
deLurch wrote:Richard? Lie? To make sure he doesn't look at bad as he is? A half-truth to make sure it didn't sound like he was cheating on her for years? Never.Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Remember folks, this is a sleep-over camp.
Now, if you all want to believe that Dickywasn't cruising for chicksdidn't come out as polyamorous untilhe gave the missus the jackhe and his wife opened up their marriage, I have a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in acquiring.
Let's face it. Richard didn't own up on breaking SSA policy until after he got reported, so he confessed to get out ahead of the game and spin it. I would be willing to bet that he wasn't going to confess to his wife until someone threatened to out him to his wife.
As far as the Nevada camp outs, Richard said his Brother-In-Law attended those. He would have had to be insanely stupid to try and hook up with his brother in law there.
As a side note, the age of consent in Nevada is 16.
Saving that:Really? wrote:Wow. Sticky Dicky is as dumb as he is horny.
So you're allowed to fuck the students as long as your name is not on a list. Shady as shit.