http://heavy.com/news/2016/04/alex-briz ... y-clinton/Kirbmarc wrote:The guy apparently had a history of mental issues, had recently broken up with his girlfriend and had been suicidal in the past.
He was very likely trying to commit suicide by cop. Luckily he survived.
Bernie lost Maryland. Trump won Maryland.2. Brizzi Was Upset About the Results of April 26’s Maryland Presidential Primaries; As Well As Breaking Up With His Girlfriend
No, it requires you to be a complete lunatic or under the influence of hallucinogens.InfraRedBucket wrote:If Muscato can be a woman then a glass of water can be an Oak Tree
You just gotta have faith.
An Oak Tree is based on the concept of transubstantiation, the notion central to the Catholic faith in which it is believed that bread and wine are converted into the body and blood of Christ while retaining their appearances of bread and wine. The ability to believe that an object is something other than its physical appearance indicates requires a transformative vision.
fuzzy wrote:Mother was a Christian Scientist, but thank goodness she was a pragmatic one.free thoughtpolice wrote:These two assholes watched their kid die even after being told that he had meningitis and needed serious medical care and not just hot peppers and horseradish.
The worst part of it is now that that they have been convicted of a crime and shown their dangerous stupidity they are complaining about the verdict and complaining about how the government and big medicine are so oppressive. :evil: :evil:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/a ... -1.3556405
Oh fuck off you hippy. You can't love someone unless you know them. Or is he telling us that he has a relationship with every member of the jury? That's not due process.The letter said he deeply loves the jurors...
Jesus I loathe people like this. You killed your child you fucking moron.The jury heard that the couple thought the boy had croup or flu and treated him for 2 ½ weeks with remedies that included hot peppers, garlic, onions and horseradish, even though a family friend who was a nurse told them she thought Ezekiel had meningitis.
Do you remember where Data from ST:TNG had his "on/off" switch? I remember Beverly Crusher in one episode presumably doing the old prostate examination on him. Imagine having to do that on Trigglypuff!!!!!!!comhcinc wrote:
While I enjoy the looping nature of the gifs I miss how she just puts her hand to her head and stops from the video. It's just such a weird on/off moment.
No. To me she just looks like another entitled narcissistic SJW who thinks her opinions trump all, especially when screamed at the top of her voice.Aneris wrote:
Long excursion, short story: TrigglyPuff doesn't strike me as a happy, confident person who knows what she is doing. She apparently not even capable of assessing the consequences of such tantrums in that setting. We have long established that social media witch hunts are a bad thing, even for people who are capable of seeing the consequences. Maybe knowing that you have become a joke makes it worse, but we still don't laugh at the mentally ill even when they don't have the capacity to notice it. Yes, that she is also a stereotype, an icon (like "Big Red") makes it only more complicated.
She will? Odd. Most insurance companies require that you sign the title over to them to receive your settlement when totaling a car.Really? wrote: Considering what Becky got, I'd say she made out pretty well, especially because she'll be selling the remnants of the car to some sucker.
When I first saw the video, I laughed. I laughed because she was an overweight, shrieking caricature. With some reflection, she is likely having an absolutely brutal time of it at the moment, and while I'm not sympathetic to her behaviour, she might be a little bit vulnerable.rayshul wrote:By charity I mean pity.Steersman wrote:I really don't think that pandering to the delusional qualifies as charity.rayshul wrote:Maybe in a year or so she'll look back at this and think okay maybe I'm expecting more charity from humans than is reasonable or possible.
Well, that or having read too much Aristotelian philosophy.feathers wrote:No, it requires you to be a complete lunatic or under the influence of hallucinogens.InfraRedBucket wrote:If Muscato can be a woman then a glass of water can be an Oak Tree
You just gotta have faith.
An Oak Tree is based on the concept of transubstantiation, the notion central to the Catholic faith in which it is believed that bread and wine are converted into the body and blood of Christ while retaining their appearances of bread and wine. The ability to believe that an object is something other than its physical appearance indicates requires a transformative vision.
OMG -- that show's hosted by the amazing Trav 'Can't We All Just Get Along?' Mamone!HunnyBunny wrote:I just took the hit for the Pit. I listened to Bi Any Means the interview with Danielle Muscato. During the interview he reveals he is unable to take transition hormones for 'health reasons'. Which is what I suspected, with his weight and associated issues as contraindications on the hormone drugs. But his problems are the world's problems, because it's not fair. Loved the way he chuckled through the discussion on rape and bathrooms. Considerate asshole.
His transitioning issues with bathrooms start at 32 minutes in. Yes, I listened to it all. Patreon link will follow for a holiday in Phuket to assuage my catatonic state.
https://www.spreaker.com/user/8475438/b ... ium=widget
The belief in transubstantiation is an interesting one. Catholic theology is based on the Artistotelian theory of substances and accidents. For Artistoteles some properties were "accidental" while others are "essential".feathers wrote:No, it requires you to be a complete lunatic or under the influence of hallucinogens.InfraRedBucket wrote:If Muscato can be a woman then a glass of water can be an Oak Tree
You just gotta have faith.
An Oak Tree is based on the concept of transubstantiation, the notion central to the Catholic faith in which it is believed that bread and wine are converted into the body and blood of Christ while retaining their appearances of bread and wine. The ability to believe that an object is something other than its physical appearance indicates requires a transformative vision.
Indeed, many aspects of transitioning would cause him considerable physical pain.HunnyBunny wrote: Danielle Muscato ... is unable to take transition hormones for 'health reasons'.
Note that most insurance companies require that you buy a totaled car from them if you want to keep it. The transfer of ownership from you to them when they total it and then back to you when you buy it back is when the title is switched from normal to salvaged. The price of a totaled car is usually very low (since the ins co has no interest in the vehicle), but it's usually very hard to find someone to buy a car with a salvage title ... it's usually someone looking for parts or someone who plans to do something like race it.Really? wrote:Considering what Becky got, I'd say she made out pretty well, especially because she'll be selling the remnants of the car to some sucker.
But unless it's condemned as unsafe, you can usually get a buy-back option. My wife dinged her 24-year-old Honda Civic, and the insurance company totaled it ($1200 in body repair). It only had around 150,000 miles on it and was running sweet as a nut, so we bought it back.Dave wrote:She will? Odd. Most insurance companies require that you sign the title over to them to receive your settlement when totaling a car.Really? wrote: Considering what Becky got, I'd say she made out pretty well, especially because she'll be selling the remnants of the car to some sucker.
Whistling is easy - just pucker your lips and blow a little. Placement of the tongue is important, too. I could walk you through the steps, if you like.Scented Nectar wrote: I can't whistle, and 99.99% of the time I prefer men. Since I'm female, does this mean I have to become a trans-man? :shock:
Bah! Niggered.Billie from Ockham wrote:Note that most insurance companies require that you buy a totaled car from them if you want to keep it. The transfer of ownership from you to them when they total it and then back to you when you buy it back is when the title is switched from normal to salvaged. The price of a totaled car is usually very low (since the ins co has no interest in the vehicle), but it's usually very hard to find someone to buy a car with a salvage title ... it's usually someone looking for parts or someone who plans to do something like race it.Really? wrote:Considering what Becky got, I'd say she made out pretty well, especially because she'll be selling the remnants of the car to some sucker.
I was tempted to ask how the heck you know this, but then I realized that the two of you use the same bathroom.rayshul wrote:I do feel sorry for Danielle because as I've said before she drew a real fucking short straw.
Ha! In the US, the cops would've plugged him 37 times. Then the media would be in a conundrum: run the story as it's about a 'white domestic terrorist' -- or bury the story, as it shows that cops go apeshit on white folk, too.Kirbmarc wrote:The guy apparently had a history of mental issues, had recently broken up with his girlfriend and had been suicidal in the past.deLurch wrote:How much do you want to bet this guy had a tumblr account. Shot 3 times after walking into a TV station dressed like that claiming to have a bomb. He refused to acknowledge police commands to stop.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... third.html
He was very likely trying to commit suicide by cop. Luckily he survived.
h/t to you -- I used the phrase, "transubstantiation of the penis" in an argument over the trans toilet express.Kirbmarc wrote: The belief in transubstantiation is an interesting one. Catholic theology is based on the Artistotelian theory of substances and accidents. For Artistoteles some properties were "accidental" while others are "essential".
An easy example can be made using balls. You can paint a ball red, white, blue or any other color, and it's still a ball. So color is an "accidental" property: its change doesn't "intrinsically" change the "essence" of the ball.
In transubstantiation, as Thomas Aquinas argued, the opposite happens: all the physical properties or "accidents" of bread and wine remain the same, but their "essential" nature change into the body and blood of his god-prophet. At his time, when people didn't know much about the nature of matter, the argument may have look persuasive.
At Thomas Aquinas' times this was a sophisticated defense of a theological assumption. But "natural philosophy", or science, marches on. Today we know what bread and wine are made of, what is the physical "essence" of bread and wine, in chemical and physical terms. We know that you can't change molecules of ethanol or glutein into amino acids and hemoglobin just by saying a few words.
So today if you believe in transubstantiation you have to believe that bread and wine (actually all reality) has some secret, non-detectable property which can be changes through secret, non-detectable acts of "supernatural" intervention. Basically you need to believe in magic.
The idea of an abstract "essence" to things separated from the "ALL physical accidents" is becoming more and more philosophically untenable. Actually the major philosophical schools of today are either anti-essentialists (Quine) or rigidly modal necessitarianists (Kripke, etc.), so they either negate the idea that "essences" exist or the idea that "accidents" exist.
Yup. America is truly a totalitarian horror, much worse than North Korea. Flipping burgers is worse than hard labor.Sulman wrote:Meanwhile, on Facebook:
http://i.imgur.com/3gQ0EZl.png
:nin:Dave wrote:She will? Odd. Most insurance companies require that you sign the title over to them to receive your settlement when totaling a car.Really? wrote: Considering what Becky got, I'd say she made out pretty well, especially because she'll be selling the remnants of the car to some sucker.
Where exactly did you post that? I eagerly look forward to the clash between your amazingly narrow (ovum based) concept of womanhood and the broad (social justice) conception thereof. Please save me a ringside seat.Steersman wrote: For instance, there's the question of the definition of words which are kind of like the rules of the road - would you indulge someone who wanted to drive on the wrong side of them? Humpty Dumpty:As I commented in that "Bi Any Means" podcast (not sure it hasn't been deleted), if we agree that Dave is a woman then the word ceases to have any meaning or utility at all."When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less." "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
My car was totaled due to a few scratches and dents on the tail after some asshole hit me. I had to sign it over to get paid. I doubt she would be able to keep it unless she refused the settlement (which I assume is possible).Dave wrote:She will? Odd. Most insurance companies require that you sign the title over to them to receive your settlement when totaling a car.Really? wrote: Considering what Becky got, I'd say she made out pretty well, especially because she'll be selling the remnants of the car to some sucker.
"On one side you have the Steerzbot3000, the Heavyweight Robot Combat champion, who runs on a context-free script of rigid linguistic prescriptivism. On the other you have Danielle Muscato, the Atheist Woman of the Year 2016, armed with a protective shield of mereological nihilism.d4m10n wrote:Where exactly did you post that? I eagerly look forward to the clash between your amazingly narrow (ovum based) concept of womanhood and the broad (social justice) conception thereof. Please save me a ringside seat.Steersman wrote: For instance, there's the question of the definition of words which are kind of like the rules of the road - would you indulge someone who wanted to drive on the wrong side of them? Humpty Dumpty:As I commented in that "Bi Any Means" podcast (not sure it hasn't been deleted), if we agree that Dave is a woman then the word ceases to have any meaning or utility at all."When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less." "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
She strikes me as someone who, as a child, always got her way by throwing temper-tantrums. Yet another precious snowflake undergrad who just learned the hard way that The Real World doesn't give a rat's ass about your childish temper tantrums.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:No. To me she just looks like another entitled narcissistic SJW who thinks her opinions trump all, especially when screamed at the top of her voice.Aneris wrote:
Long excursion, short story: TrigglyPuff doesn't strike me as a happy, confident person who knows what she is doing. She apparently not even capable of assessing the consequences of such tantrums in that setting. We have long established that social media witch hunts are a bad thing, even for people who are capable of seeing the consequences. Maybe knowing that you have become a joke makes it worse, but we still don't laugh at the mentally ill even when they don't have the capacity to notice it. Yes, that she is also a stereotype, an icon (like "Big Red") makes it only more complicated.
Let's not start seeing any and all human assholishness as some sort of mental illness that absolves the fucker. That's what SJWs are for.
LOL. Between those two irrational extremes, lies a stretch of reality wide enough to drive a Peterbilt through.d4m10n wrote:Where exactly did you post that? I eagerly look forward to the clash between your amazingly narrow (ovum based) concept of womanhood and the broad (social justice) conception thereof. Please save me a ringside seat.Steersman wrote:As I commented in that "Bi Any Means" podcast (not sure it hasn't been deleted), if we agree that Dave is a woman then the word ceases to have any meaning or utility at all.
Or a gypsy who's going to pimp it and 'forget' the salvaged title thingy when he sells it.Billie from Ockham wrote:The price of a totaled car is usually very low (since the ins co has no interest in the vehicle), but it's usually very hard to find someone to buy a car with a salvage title ... it's usually someone looking for parts or someone who plans to do something like race it.
What the hell was that guy doing there, if not spying? A South-Korean with an American pass, why not paint yourself purple and go stand in the middle of Kim Il-sung square singing, I'm a spie in the house of love.Sulman wrote:Meanwhile, on Facebook:
http://i.imgur.com/3gQ0EZl.png
She said in her video that there was a 200 dollar difference if she decided to keep the car, so she kept it and now has to get a salvage title and hopes to make a profit selling what is left to someone who wants a project.Badger3k wrote:My car was totaled due to a few scratches and dents on the tail after some asshole hit me. I had to sign it over to get paid. I doubt she would be able to keep it unless she refused the settlement (which I assume is possible).Dave wrote:She will? Odd. Most insurance companies require that you sign the title over to them to receive your settlement when totaling a car.Really? wrote: Considering what Becky got, I'd say she made out pretty well, especially because she'll be selling the remnants of the car to some sucker.
What's interesting is that Muscato's argument for womanhood is essentially the same that Catholic use for transubstantiation: all the physical "accidents" are those of a man, but the "essence" is that of a woman (because Dave/Danielle says so).Matt Cavanaugh wrote: LOL. Between those two irrational extremes, lies a stretch of reality wide enough to drive a Peterbilt through.
But Steers is right in one aspect: if Muscato is a woman, than the term 'woman' can mean anything -- thus, nothing.
Too late, the collider won. :(feathers wrote:Oi Com, get your critter back already.
A few weeks ago an 18 year old American kid, who was in North Korea for some kind of ill advised vacation, got caught trying to steal a flier for a political rally as a souvenir. They prosecuted him and sentenced him to 15 years of hard labor. I was stupid and clicked on the "trending" link on the sidebar of facebook, and got treated to footage of a couple dirty huns hauling this sobbing teenager off to the gulag, superimposed over posts from regressive left shitbags criticizing him for being "culturally insensitive".Sulman wrote:Meanwhile, on Facebook:
http://i.imgur.com/3gQ0EZl.png
Well ...feathers wrote:Or a gypsy who's going to pimp it and 'forget' the salvaged title thingy when he sells it.Billie from Ockham wrote:The price of a totaled car is usually very low (since the ins co has no interest in the vehicle), but it's usually very hard to find someone to buy a car with a salvage title ... it's usually someone looking for parts or someone who plans to do something like race it.
Why? What evidence do you have she is less sane than any other member of that audience, or any member of the university, or any member of society including the pit?The internet loves TrigglyPuff because she is a most iconic Social Justice Warrior; a stereotype incarnate. She has become not a person but a symbol, and at that, one great many people loathe. It's now difficult to see the human behind it. But once again, it's horrible what happens. You have to entertain the possibility that she is not entirely sane, in the serious, not mockery kind of way.
Heh. My eye-rolling during the third act aside, I did enjoy the movie. I've seen that video floating around, but haven't watched it yet. Truth be told, I'm working on my own micro budget movie at the moment and it's been monopolizing my time.comhcinc wrote:For Jet Lagg and the rest of you bastards.
[youtube]H6_zvQQ5P8w[/youtube]
Do you have gypsy blood?Billie from Ockham wrote:Well ...
... I was going to mention that you should always "lose" the title to a car when it's sent to you (after you buy it outright or pay off the loan) and then request a new copy from the DMV, because the car might later be totaled but now you can buy it back and then sell as it not a salvage using the second copy of the non-salvage title ...
I'm inclined to agree. Calling her mentally ill is pure speculation and a tool that can be used to justify being outraged by her treatment while shrugging when identical things happen to conservatives for even less egregious offenses. Someone, somewhere along the way should have sat her down and given her some tough love lessons about how adults behave in a civilized society. That would have been the ideal, but it didn't happen, and now the internet is going to give her 20 years worth of those lessons all at once.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:No. To me she just looks like another entitled narcissistic SJW who thinks her opinions trump all, especially when screamed at the top of her voice.Aneris wrote:
Long excursion, short story: TrigglyPuff doesn't strike me as a happy, confident person who knows what she is doing. She apparently not even capable of assessing the consequences of such tantrums in that setting. We have long established that social media witch hunts are a bad thing, even for people who are capable of seeing the consequences. Maybe knowing that you have become a joke makes it worse, but we still don't laugh at the mentally ill even when they don't have the capacity to notice it. Yes, that she is also a stereotype, an icon (like "Big Red") makes it only more complicated.
Let's not start seeing any and all human assholishness as some sort of mental illness that absolves the fucker. That's what SJWs are for.
So you have come to the determination that she is or probably is mentally incompetent.Aneris wrote:Long excursion, short story: TrigglyPuff doesn't strike me as a happy, confident person who knows what she is doing. She apparently not even capable of assessing the consequences of such tantrums in that setting. We have long established that social media witch hunts are a bad thing, even for people who are capable of seeing the consequences. Maybe knowing that you have become a joke makes it worse, but we still don't laugh at the mentally ill even when they don't have the capacity to notice it. Yes, that she is also a stereotype, an icon (like "Big Red") makes it only more complicated.
[youtube]kqGXM23WUbs[/youtube]feathers wrote:Oi Com, get your critter back already.
No, but my uncle Vinny got his name from his remarkable ability to move a VIN plate from one car to another.* Does that count?feathers wrote:Do you have gypsy blood?Billie from Ockham wrote:Well ...
... I was going to mention that you should always "lose" the title to a car when it's sent to you (after you buy it outright or pay off the loan) and then request a new copy from the DMV, because the car might later be totaled but now you can buy it back and then sell as it not a salvage using the second copy of the non-salvage title ...
A sadly high number of them are out there to spread Christianity. Still illegal out there.feathers wrote:What the hell was that guy doing there, if not spying? A South-Korean with an American pass, why not paint yourself purple and go stand in the middle of Kim Il-sung square singing, I'm a spie in the house of love.
The social justice folks are fairly clear and consistent about what the term should be taken to mean in their circles. A "woman" is any person who identifies as a woman. The term refers entirely to a subjective state of mind.Matt Cavanaugh wrote:LOL. Between those two irrational extremes, lies a stretch of reality wide enough to drive a Peterbilt through.d4m10n wrote:Where exactly did you post that? I eagerly look forward to the clash between your amazingly narrow (ovum based) concept of womanhood and the broad (social justice) conception thereof. Please save me a ringside seat.Steersman wrote:As I commented in that "Bi Any Means" podcast (not sure it hasn't been deleted), if we agree that Dave is a woman then the word ceases to have any meaning or utility at all.
But Steers is right in one aspect: if Muscato is a woman, than the term 'woman' can mean anything -- thus, nothing.
Buy-backs are common with motorcycles; especially as the Insurer will often total them for superficial damage. They're ideal for track bikes, or your main bike as long as you accept nobody will want to buy it when you get bored with it.Really? wrote: She said in her video that there was a 200 dollar difference if she decided to keep the car, so she kept it and now has to get a salvage title and hopes to make a profit selling what is left to someone who wants a project.
Didn't this happen before?feathers wrote:Oi Com, get your critter back already.
In the UK you have to sign it over to get paid but you can usually buy it back for scrap valueBadger3k wrote:My car was totaled due to a few scratches and dents on the tail after some asshole hit me. I had to sign it over to get paid. I doubt she would be able to keep it unless she refused the settlement (which I assume is possible).Dave wrote:She will? Odd. Most insurance companies require that you sign the title over to them to receive your settlement when totaling a car.Really? wrote: Considering what Becky got, I'd say she made out pretty well, especially because she'll be selling the remnants of the car to some sucker.
On that Bi Any Means podcast that HunnyBunny, trooper that she is, bravely listened to in its entirety; better "man" than I, Gunga Din.d4m10n wrote:Where exactly did you post that? I eagerly look forward to the clash between your amazingly narrow (ovum based) concept of womanhood and the broad (social justice) conception thereof. Please save me a ringside seat.Steersman wrote: For instance, there's the question of the definition of words which are kind of like the rules of the road - would you indulge someone who wanted to drive on the wrong side of them? Humpty Dumpty:As I commented in that "Bi Any Means" podcast (not sure it hasn't been deleted), if we agree that Dave is a woman then the word ceases to have any meaning or utility at all."When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less." "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
I geddit that "woman" is frequently used as a kind of marker for identity, a shibboleth, a badge of tribal membership, a metaphor - like JFK's "Ich bin ein Berliner". But the good burghers of Berlin would have thought him a nut case if he actually tried to claim the same rights of any of those who actually lived there. Likewise with nutcases like Muscato: if "we" don't draw a line in the sand in the face of their egregious attempts at corrupting the meaning of that word, if we don't read the Riot Act to them by way of insisting on the biological definition, then we might just as well abandon the field to post-modernists and their ilk.Gamson wrote:On this level, it resembles similar arguments in ethnic communities in which "boundaries, identities, and cultures, are negotiated, defined, and produced" (Nagel 1994:152). ....
This debate, and other related debates in lesbian and gay politics, is not only over the content of collective identity (whose definition of "gay" counts?), but over the everyday viability and political usefulness of sexual identities (is there and should there be such a thing as "gay," "lesbian," "man," "woman"?). ....
Social movements researchers have only recently begun treating collective identity construction as an important and problematic movement activity and a significant subject of study. Before the late 1980s, when rational-actor models came under increased critical scrutiny, "not much direct thought [had] been given to the general sociological problem of what collective identity is and how it is constituted" (Schlesinger 1987:236). ....
I look forward to seeing it and then dismissing the protagonist as a Mary Sue.jet_lagg wrote:
Heh. My eye-rolling during the third act aside, I did enjoy the movie. I've seen that video floating around, but haven't watched it yet. Truth be told, I'm working on my own micro budget movie at the moment and it's been monopolizing my time.
That was essentially my point with my previous post. Muscato presenting to the world the external phenotype that they do and then decrying "transphobia" at anyone who suggests otherwise, contrary to the apparent evidence , is akin to the religious who proclaim bigotry to anyone who considers they may be under a delusion or to put it politely, not acting on evidence but "faith".Kirbmarc wrote:What's interesting is that Muscato's argument for womanhood is essentially the same that Catholic use for transubstantiation: all the physical "accidents" are those of a man, but the "essence" is that of a woman (because Dave/Danielle says so).Matt Cavanaugh wrote: LOL. Between those two irrational extremes, lies a stretch of reality wide enough to drive a Peterbilt through.
But Steers is right in one aspect: if Muscato is a woman, than the term 'woman' can mean anything -- thus, nothing.
Not with the same weasel, it didn't.comhcinc wrote:Didn't this happen before?feathers wrote:Oi Com, get your critter back already.
Health is not a moral obligation? The fuck it is!
Or more precisely, the "essence" of the wafer and wine have become the "essence" of the body and blood of Christ, while still retaining all of the "accidents" of wafer and wine. And indeed, that is a miracle, to change the essence of something is miraculous indeed. The Catholic Church is still operating in the Aristotelian world view it was created in. It is all perfectly logical, as long as you adopt a long disproved philosophy.InfraRedBucket wrote: I went to a Catholic school , the point about transubstantiation is this, and it wasn't even made that clear even in my school until
one teacher clarified it . When the priest says certain words at a certain point in the mass, at every mass, a "small miracle" occurs.
It isnt a symbolic change , it's an actual change, the water and wine has somehow become the essence of Christ.
Goals -- Get on a fucking exercise bike.
