

Tony Parsehole wrote:cunt wrote:Yeah fucking brilliant, who decides the potential transmission rate at which you need to inform. Is it 0.001% chance, 0.1% chance, 10%? Is it by law, does the infected person play it by ear? Who fucking knows and really who cares because luckily there's fuck all chance the law is ever going to change just to make exceptions to laws of consent based on how oppressed half-fish feels about this particular issue.
Exactly.
This episode is the lowest I've seen from FTB/A+ yet. No shit. This hands down beats the FBRCC* shite
They do this every time. Just when you think it can't get any more fucked up the scum on FTB invent something new.
I wonder what the fuck is going to come next.
Former Belorussian Radiactive Closed City



To use an absurd example, let’s say that I suffer from night terrors. I have been on medication and haven’t had an episode in over a year. I hook up with someone, but don’t tell her I have night terrors. I suffer an episode and end up fracturing her jaw (while asleep). Is that sexual assault, justly punished by a lengthy jail sentence and registry as a sex offender? I would think not, even though there was a risk that I did not disclose to the partner.
Now obviously a fractured jaw isn’t the same as HIV, but the argument and principle are still in the ballpark.

Tony Parsehole wrote:Crommunist says:What about in the case where there is no reasonable risk of transmission? Below some CD4 count, your risk of transmission is near-zero, so we’re asking people to subject themselves to the risk of potentially disastrous discrimination based on a near-zero probability of harm. The risk/benefit calculation seems off there.



ERV wrote:
But you dont have the right to put someone else at risk, to change someone elses live forever, just because you think the odds are low. Im sure a drunk driver who kills a car full of people thought the risk was low that he would do that, but that doesnt change the outcome.


That just shows why you need to tell your partner so they can make a risk assessment for themselves.



The viral load in the blood is a good predictor of the likelihood of transmitting HIV to another. The higher the viral load value, the more viral elements there are in tissues and in circulating blood and other body fluids. Individuals with HIV are most contagious during the earliest (acute) stages of the infection. At this phase the immune response is still developing and antibody levels against the virus are often too low to be detected. Antibody testing at this stage often yields a negative result. This scenario increases the importance of HIV education and early detection and diagnosis. Widespread testing could provide significant public health benefits. There is no safe period for an individual infected with HIV. HIV can be passed to another individual even when the viral load has dropped to undetectable. The viral load test only detects the amount of virus circulating in the blood (about 2%). Approximately 98% of the HIV is actually in the body tissues such as the lymph nodes, gut-associated lymphoid tissue (GALT), spleen, brain, and other body tissues and fluids. Viral level fluctuations in these tissues parallel the levels in the blood but there is not an immediate correlation in time or rate.


sacha wrote:welch wrote:Once did a karaoke night where I sang every song as Mr. Hanky. Voice was fucked for days. Totally worth it.
mp3?


Rystefn wrote:Holy shit... I wander off for a little while, and I come back to see this? It's cool to hide your HIV status from sexual partners? I just... words don't even...


Tony Parsehole wrote:Rystefn wrote:Holy shit... I wander off for a little while, and I come back to see this? It's cool to hide your HIV status from sexual partners? I just... words don't even...
Welcome to the most fucked up point in FTB history yet.
BTW can somebody please screencap that Crommunist blogpost before it gets edited to fuck? I would but can't on this computer.


Tony Parsehole wrote:Rystefn wrote:Holy shit... I wander off for a little while, and I come back to see this? It's cool to hide your HIV status from sexual partners? I just... words don't even...
Welcome to the most fucked up point in FTB history yet.

Steersman wrote:“snide remarks and open insults to Allah”

JayTeeAitch wrote:All this talk about HIV/AIDS reminded me of...


cunt wrote:A couple of people actually get shot at in that vid. One from a very close distance that makes me wonder how the person could have possibly missed.


Rystefn wrote:Tony Parsehole wrote:Rystefn wrote:Holy shit... I wander off for a little while, and I come back to see this? It's cool to hide your HIV status from sexual partners? I just... words don't even...
Welcome to the most fucked up point in FTB history yet.
No shit... Just when I thought my opinion of that lot had hit rocks bottom, the fuckers turn up with drills and dynamite shouting "don't stop until you hit the core!"

d4m10n wrote:If Watson had given a talk which revealed some depth and breadth of understanding of the field, I'd accept the applicability of PZ’s argument that laypersons are sometimes qualified to talk about science. It's not a bad argument, it just doesn't work here.
She was doubly stumped when asked by an attendee (in both Germany and Missouri) if she could provide *any* examples of EP working well as a science. In both cases she admitted that such examples might exist, but that she'd never personally come across them. Anyone even remotely familiar with the field should start rattling off the list of cross-cultural human universals and some of the experiments done to test whether they are, in fact, more than cultural. Or maybe talk about even deeper psychological traits like the ability to rapidly acquire grammar, or maybe the inbuilt forms of sloppy thinking such as hyperbolic discounting and agency hyperdetection which also appear to be universal. Or, hell, any number of other studies that don't touch upon the sacred field of sex and gender. It's not that hard, even a layman like me could do it. Instead, she just filibustered with a whole load of empty speculation. Had she emphatically shouted out, “I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M DOING!” it would have been no more damning.

bhoytony wrote:
Chris Morris is a genius. If you haven't seen it I recommend Four Lions his film about British Islamist terrrorists.

AndrewV69 wrote:cunt wrote:A couple of people actually get shot at in that vid. One from a very close distance that makes me wonder how the person could have possibly missed.
This gives away the fact that you have never been in a firefight up close and personal. The sheer random shit that can go down in an instant can take your breath away when you think about it later, not to mention give you the shakes.
I will let the ex-combat people here tell you about it, though in my experience not many people feel inclined to talk about it.

Tony Parsehole wrote:bhoytony wrote:
Chris Morris is a genius. If you haven't seen it I recommend Four Lions his film about British Islamist terrrorists.
"12 bottles of bleach please"

Tigzy wrote:Tony Parsehole wrote:bhoytony wrote:
Chris Morris is a genius. If you haven't seen it I recommend Four Lions his film about British Islamist terrrorists.
"12 bottles of bleach please"
'Let's blow up t'internet!'

Tony Parsehole wrote:bhoytony wrote:
Chris Morris is a genius. If you haven't seen it I recommend Four Lions his film about British Islamist terrrorists.
"12 bottles of bleach please"





Tony Parsehole wrote:Haifisch:
"Definitions don’t list connotations. You can argue until the cows come home about the definition of a word like “infected” in various schools of thought, but none of that answers to THE CONNOTATION IN COMMON USE OF THE WORD."
The connotations of the word infected? Like "that infection is something I really don't want and could kill me so please don't stick your dick up me"?
In this case those connotations are a good thing. Calling HIV infection "Conversion" or "Fairy dream happy time" is just misleading and wrong.

Tony Parsehole wrote:Haifisch:
"Definitions don’t list connotations. You can argue until the cows come home about the definition of a word like “infected” in various schools of thought, but none of that answers to THE CONNOTATION IN COMMON USE OF THE WORD."
The connotations of the word infected? Like "that infection is something I really don't want and could kill me so please don't stick your dick up me"?
In this case those connotations are a good thing. Calling HIV infection "Conversion" or "Fairy dream happy time" is just misleading and wrong.


Mr Danksworth wrote:Half-fish chimes in on my 'infected is infected' post.
HaifischGeweint says:
December 5, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Have you ever had unprotected sex with someone who was not, at the time, a virgin? Congratulations. You’re INFECTEEED with HPV, and your body can now INFECT your future partners with a virus that could kill them with cervical cancer over roughly the same time span in the absence of treatment as untreated HIV typically becomes AIDS and takes a life.
Shouldn’t you be telling all your partners about your status? After all, you’re potentially killing someone by having sex with them.
HPV is even transmitted via skin-to-skin contact, so either one of you wearing a condom doesn’t protect you. And if you think oral sex is your way out, think again. That’s how people get throat cancer from HPV.
You can change the way you talk about this subject matter, or you can continue to expose your bigotry, at which point I’m sure you’ll talk yourself straight out of prospective sex partners in just a matter of time. At this point, I sure wouldn’t go near you or anyone else who talked like you. I couldn’t reconcile my clitoral erection with the urge to spontaneously projectile vomit.

Spence wrote:Oh well. I'm just about to finish a blog post mansplaining why shooting people in the face should be decriminalised (because it oppresses gun owners who don't shoot people in the face).

Tony Parsehole wrote:Speaking of "connotations" calling HIV infection "conversion" is fucking sick.
"Hey I converted three women today and they didn't even know!"

Lsuoma wrote:IJLTH
And no, no apologies for putting this in the main thread...

codelette wrote:
He/she is not infected! She/he is a "gift giver". http://www.tampabay.com/news/health/article1170784.ece
I'll suggest he/she use "spreading the ninja". Ninjas are cool...

Rystefn wrote:Tony Parsehole wrote:Rystefn wrote:Holy shit... I wander off for a little while, and I come back to see this? It's cool to hide your HIV status from sexual partners? I just... words don't even...
Welcome to the most fucked up point in FTB history yet.
No shit... Just when I thought my opinion of that lot had hit rocks bottom, the fuckers turn up with drills and dynamite shouting "don't stop until you hit the core!"



soldierwhy wrote:That shit about HIV 'conversion' has to be parody surely? I mean I've met some fucking muppets in my time but, seriously?
It's almost worth hoping that the Mayans were right and the world will end in a few weeks, we as a species do not deserve to continue if we are producing lunatics like this.

Tony Parsehole wrote:codelette wrote:
He/she is not infected! She/he is a "gift giver". http://www.tampabay.com/news/health/article1170784.ece
I'll suggest he/she use "spreading the ninja". Ninjas are cool...
Thanks. That's the second most fucked up thing I've read tonight!



codelette wrote:Tony Parsehole wrote:codelette wrote:
He/she is not infected! She/he is a "gift giver". http://www.tampabay.com/news/health/article1170784.ece
I'll suggest he/she use "spreading the ninja". Ninjas are cool...
Thanks. That's the second most fucked up thing I've read tonight!
Found the original article! This whole thing is really fucked up: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/828217/posts
I found weird that HF tried to drop the usage of the correct terminology "HIV-infected" with terminology used by a fringe group...but then FTB bloggers are a whole bunch of lunatics, so I guess it is pretty much self-explanatory.

bhoytony wrote:Spence wrote:Oh well. I'm just about to finish a blog post mansplaining why shooting people in the face should be decriminalised (because it oppresses gun owners who don't shoot people in the face).
You do realise that there are posters who will agree with that sentiment and not recognise it as satire. (byraway, they will all be Septics )


Tony Parsehole wrote:"the welcome page to barebackcity.com, which claims 48,000 registered users, up from 28,000 about a year ago, recently said. "Be the first to seed a newbie and give him a pozitive attitude!"
(bolding mine)
Poz. meaning HIV infected. That's the word HaiFisch is slinging around and it's used on a website devoted to infecting people with HIV.......I wonder if there is anything to that.


skepCHUD wrote:On the other hand what's really wrong with converting someone? Once they get HIV/AIDS they can't be crippled by "privilege".

cunt wrote:
There was a weekend web on the site. Where i'm getting these screenshots from.
http://www.somethingawful.com/d/weekend-web/bareback-exchange.php






disumbrationist wrote:A new low has been hit.
Imagine the Schrödinger's Rapist scenario - except that the man knows there is a non-negligible probability he will rape the woman, and this probability is higher for him than for most other men. The woman doesn't know that he comes with this increased risk, and he doesn't want to tell her.
What would FTBs say then?



codelette wrote:Tony Parsehole wrote:codelette wrote:
He/she is not infected! She/he is a "gift giver". http://www.tampabay.com/news/health/article1170784.ece
I'll suggest he/she use "spreading the ninja". Ninjas are cool...
Thanks. That's the second most fucked up thing I've read tonight!
Found the original article! This whole thing is really fucked up: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/828217/posts
I found weird that HF tried to drop the usage of the correct terminology "HIV-infected" with terminology used by a fringe group...but then FTB bloggers are a whole bunch of lunatics, so I guess it is pretty much self-explanatory.

Mykeru wrote:
The Free Republic is a site filled with assholes who were teabaggers before there were teabaggers. I have had many a lovely personal interaction with those sacks of shit.
The Free Republic is part of the right-wing Wurlitzer and full-time echo chamber that includes such laughable crap Pajamas Media crap as World Net Daily, Brietbart, and Instapundit. Not to mention the right-wing Rebecca Watson, Michelle Malkin.
I wouldn't believe it if someone posting on Free Republic stood before me and claimed they were committing suicide and personally shot themselves in the head. Although it would be fun to watch.


KarlVonMox wrote:Fucking idiots. The difference between HPV and HIV couldnt be clearer - a lot of recent research has indicated that HPV is likely a human commensal, and the majority of the time the infection is cleared and does nothing to the host. HIV actually depletes your T-cells, weakens your immune system and makes you much more vulnerable to disease. Are these people serious? I have a hard time believing they are actually trying to make such an argument.

AndrewV69 wrote:cunt wrote:A couple of people actually get shot at in that vid. One from a very close distance that makes me wonder how the person could have possibly missed.
This gives away the fact that you have never been in a firefight up close and personal. The sheer random shit that can go down in an instant can take your breath away when you think about it later, not to mention give you the shakes.
I will let the ex-combat people here tell you about it, though in my experience not many people feel inclined to talk about it.

cunt wrote:Funny thing is, most of the people in that SA post are actually better than half-fish. They want to get HIV, they'd consent to that. They fantasise about it. Half-fish actually has HIV and thinks that she doesn't really have a responsibility to tell a person that before she sleeps with them.
She's a piece of shit.

"Don’t want to become converted? Start asking your partners about their status before you have sex. Start educating yourself about how to practice safer sex for those times when the heat of the moment would be spoiled, or you don’t have time to ask. Start asking your partners to go with you so that you can get tested together.
There’s no need to make a double standard against all people who are poz, as if they are somehow infinitely more responsible for this burden than you are, even though anyone who isn’t poz is not proportionally held as responsible in your eyes for making sure you can rest easy about their status."

Rystefn wrote:
I support the decriminalization of shooting people in the face, not because it oppresses gun owners who don't shoot people in the face. I support it because there are people in this world who really really need to be shot in the face. Sure, right after it gets passed, you'll see spike in the rate of people getting shot in the face, but it will normalize soon enough, and the net result will be fewer assholes and dipshits around.

welch wrote:But knowing the larger range of EP would require more work than just reading what PeeZus thinks of it. We all know that if she can't fit it in to the period during takeoff and landing, when she can't be in the internets, Becca ain't gonna read it.

Rystefn wrote:AndrewV69 wrote:cunt wrote:A couple of people actually get shot at in that vid. One from a very close distance that makes me wonder how the person could have possibly missed.
This gives away the fact that you have never been in a firefight up close and personal. The sheer random shit that can go down in an instant can take your breath away when you think about it later, not to mention give you the shakes.
I will let the ex-combat people here tell you about it, though in my experience not many people feel inclined to talk about it.
If you're talking about the incident at around 1:45, then 1) I don't see any particular evidence the shots missed, and 2) are you questioning how a person could possibly have missed his shots right after he was hit by a car?

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