Happy 3rd Pit Birthday!

[deLurch]

Well, aren't you the most intelligent fucker what ever was. I did think about adding a similar comment to yours but then thought "nah, it's funny as it is. Only a cunt would come along and point out that it probably didn't happen exactly - or even vaguely - as told".

Perhaps in reality it was Tanita Tikaram that made the comment (she's let herself go, BTW).

:lol: Your needless abrasiveness continues to amuse me.

It is all fun and games, until he breaks out the condom made of sand paper.

[Richard Dworkins]

Well, aren't you the most intelligent fucker what ever was. I did think about adding a similar comment to yours but then thought "nah, it's funny as it is. Only a cunt would come along and point out that it probably didn't happen exactly - or even vaguely - as told".

Perhaps in reality it was Tanita Tikaram that made the comment (she's let herself go, BTW).

:lol: Your needless abrasiveness continues to amuse me.

It is all fun and games, until he breaks out the condom made of sand paper.

As long as the sand paper in on the inside of the johnny, that's fine. Though I do believe "this kills the man."

[Guest]

But the shooter was a journalist himself. And it's not like the victims were on national TV - just local stuff, right? It's not like she was core in any kind of serious commentary or debate over issues and incidents like Charleston.

I don't think racism is really the root motive; seems more like a run-of-the-mill workplace disgruntlement that maybe was tipped over the edge by other factors, but I don't think what those factors were really matters too much. The perp seems like he was a loose cannon.

[Pseudomonas]

And that's why I still have some mixed feelings about this.

I'd like to say that the new wave science fiction movement was a good thing and somehow different from what has happened in recent years, but I haven't been paying enough attention to SF of the past decade to do so or say why.

But certainly the first gender bending books, the first stories by black, female, and gay authors I read was SF of the 60s, 70s, and 80s, and I am very glad to have read them. So when David (Trouble with Tribbles) Gerrold takes such an anti-puppy stance I have to give him a great deal of credit for being the first out gay author I read and the writer of the first gender bending book I read (The Man Who Folded Himself) as well as being an insider and now old timer who knew everyone, from hard SF golden era to the newest SF authors.

He's no Laurie Penny or Zoe Quinn.

Has Pournelle or Niven written about the SFWA war or Hugos Puppy-Slaughter?

Pournelle shows up in the comments to this post

accordingtohoyt.com/2015/08/23/burning-down-the-field-in-order-to-save-it

on According to Hoyt* - you'll have to search for him (two or three comments). Mind you there are 1500+ in total as of writing this...

No idea if he's commented in other places, or if Niven has.

Pseudomonas

(Have lynx, fucking off... :cdc: )

*Blog of Sarah Hoyt, one of the Puppies 'Leaders', was actually supposed to be organising this year's effort, but became seroiusly ill, is due to help organise next year)

[Steersman]

Moar Duggar-Ashley Madison :drool:
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/20 ... sh-duggar/

That isn't Ashley Madison. He picked her up on a strip club. Bought $600 in lap dances, and then paid $1,500 for the act.

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/josh ... llon-68130

“He walked into the Gold Club like a normal patron and said he’d been a fan for a long time and has watched my career grow — he even said from before my boob job until recently — and that he loved watching my very first scene on [an adult website],” she tells In Touch. “Then it got creepy.”

“I actually really hope that his wife leaves him and takes his children away from him and leaves him a lonely, bitter man. I don’t think he deserves happiness.”

This coming from the woman who accepted $600 to perform private lap dances for him, and then accepted $1,500 to fuck him. I am sorry, but if you are doing that, you have no place to get on your fucking high horse and play moral judge and jury.

This is why you never fuck hookers.

I hear that some of them have hearts of gold .... :rimshot: Although some are just gold-diggers but then again one doesn't have to be a hooker to qualify as that.

But my experiences have been that most were pretty nice people. As with most "personal service" situations, you treat them fairly and with a degree of respect then they'll return the favour; act like dick or give the impression you're better than they are then I expect the result is pretty much what Duggar was judged as.

[Steersman]

<snip>

Pournelle shows up in the comments to this post

accordingtohoyt.com/2015/08/23/burning-down-the-field-in-order-to-save-it

on According to Hoyt* - you'll have to search for him (two or three comments). Mind you there are 1500+ in total as of writing this...

No idea if he's commented in other places, or if Niven has.

Pseudomonas

(Have lynx, fucking off... :cdc: ) ....

:) Welcome aboard.

[Guest]

And that's why I still have some mixed feelings about this.

I'd like to say that the new wave science fiction movement was a good thing and somehow different from what has happened in recent years, but I haven't been paying enough attention to SF of the past decade to do so or say why.

But certainly the first gender bending books, the first stories by black, female, and gay authors I read was SF of the 60s, 70s, and 80s, and I am very glad to have read them. So when David (Trouble with Tribbles) Gerrold takes such an anti-puppy stance I have to give him a great deal of credit for being the first out gay author I read and the writer of the first gender bending book I read (The Man Who Folded Himself) as well as being an insider and now old timer who knew everyone, from hard SF golden era to the newest SF authors.

He's no Laurie Penny or Zoe Quinn.

Has Pournelle or Niven written about the SFWA war or Hugos Puppy-Slaughter?

Pournelle shows up in the comments to this post

accordingtohoyt.com/2015/08/23/burning-down-the-field-in-order-to-save-it

on According to Hoyt* - you'll have to search for him (two or three comments). Mind you there are 1500+ in total as of writing this...

No idea if he's commented in other places, or if Niven has.

Pseudomonas

(Have lynx, fucking off... :cdc: )

*Blog of Sarah Hoyt, one of the Puppies 'Leaders', was actually supposed to be organising this year's effort, but became seroiusly ill, is due to help organise next year)

Thanks!!!

Okay so Pournelle commented several times in that thread, but this is the one that is most salient:

Jerry Pournelle | August 24, 2015 at 3:59 am | Reply
I am sorry to hear that Toni did not get an editing Hugo. Of course I am biased, since Jim Baen was one of the five closest friends I have ever had, and we were friends until he died. Toni has been a worthy successor as editor. I would think that those voting for No Award would be ashamed of themselves.

Charles Sheffield famously said that the Hugos were the Special Olympics of science fiction writing, but Charlie was always politically incorrect in many ways. I used to campaign for Hugos — I suppose you could call writing to friends and asking them for their vote campaigning; but it was a lot of work in those days as I had to write a separate letter to each, affix a stamp, set the letter out for the post — and I found that it was boring work, but necessary; those who didn’t campaign usually didn’t win. I only wrote to those who I thopught would like the work; if no one asked them for a vote they might not bother. But it was a lot of work.
I found it easier to get on the Today Show, Tonight Show, Long John Knebel Show, etc., and talk about the space program, and let the show hosts mention my latest book — and a great deal better investment of my time as well. Many of the books that beat my works for Hugos are no longer in print. Most of mine still are.

Sour grapes, I suppose, but there it is.

I no longer involve myself in fan politics, and I never advise professional writers to do so. Had I known I would be so far recovered from my stroke by August, I would have gone to this year’s Worldcon; apparently I would not have missed so very much. I will try to get to the repeat of MidAmericon next year. I go to see my colleagues, my publishers, my agents, and to have fun with whatever fans might still remember me, but I don’t much bother with the award ceremonies. I’d advise all writers to do the same. World SF Conventions aren’t the best use of your time for flogging books. There for some business — all the publishers and editors and your colleagues are generally there — but mostly for fun.

[rayshul]

everydayfeminism.com/2015/08/white-person-dating-poc/

7 Things to Remember If You’re a White Person Dating a Person of Color

August 17, 2015 by Melissa A. Fabello

...

That post made me so angry I feel like a SJW reading something that triggered me.

Should've titled that post "How to take care of your pet nigger."

[rayshul]

The science fiction horror I've seen began in the indie publications and then just kept going.

[feathers]

Probably ninjad, but fuck you for getting up early.

Even George RR Martin knows about SJWs. LOL.

But he doesn't seem to understand the threat they pose to a writer whose story women are beautiful, scantily dressed and habitually raped. In short they promote crimethink. If the SJW faction ever get their way, George Martin's works will be expelled and burnt at the first opportunity.

[Skep tickle]

I'm also following https://www.reddit.com/r/TorInAction after the Hugos drama, which goes nicely with my #gamergate drama. :)

These are the two other communities I've been part of which were raped by SJWs - it's interesting to compare them.

What I saw was the gaming community fought back immediately, as strongly and as calmly as possible. The atheist community kicked us out but seems to have reconsidered now it has noticed SJWs are mental - but that's taken almost 4 years to get this far. The science fiction was the worst - I saw the worst racism there, the worst sexism, and it's only the recent Hugos which has seen some pushback.

But.

The science fiction community are possibly the arse level of nerds, who believe they're smarter than everyone.

The atheists often believe they're smarter, but it includes a lot of rational non-teenage-barf-faces who are simply not religious, not doing it because it's hip and it makes them feel totes intelligent to rip on Christians. The make-up of the pit is largely skewed toward older people or people with previous exposure to cult-ish mentalities.

The gaming community is far broader and contains people from every walk of life - I think that's why they resisted so quickly and easily.

I can see WHY each group reacted differently and what it really tells me is that nerds should not really be allowed to lead anything.

:clap: I like your analysis!

A nice summary of what Gamergate is about:

http://spectator.org/articles/63882/beg ... -gamergate

Very good analogy there, helps explain the situation, except IMO it's too ZQ-focused. (However that does help facilitate the analogizing). That said, see my next post, below.

[deLurch]

everydayfeminism.com/2015/08/white-person-dating-poc/
7 Things to Remember If You’re a White Person Dating a Person of Color
August 17, 2015 by Melissa A. Fabello
...

That post made me so angry I feel like a SJW reading something that triggered me.
Should've titled that post "How to take care of your pet nigger."

It is all OK. She makes sure she asks first if she can call her boyfriend a spic or a wetback, before she calls him a spic or a wetback. Because that makes all of the difference in the world.

[Skep tickle]

So I said that the article at Jack's link above was too ZQ-focused, then I turn around & present the article below, about the legality of ZQ's gag order on Gjoni. Some will find it an interesting read, as I did - for me, more as a general point about free speech & legal limits on attempts to curtail it than about the specific situation/case.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/vol ... plaintiff/

The quote below leaves out a lot that's in the original, including all the legal case citations (cases that have some sort of similarity on at least some aspect, where the ruling could be pertinent to this case) and a bunch of legal argument.

Volokh explains early on in the article why he refers to ZQ/CV as "Van Valkerburg" even though that's a misspelling. All bolding & italics below are from the original; all ellipises are by me.

As many readers of this blog know, I’ve long been interested in how criminal harassment laws and restraining order laws have been morphing from restricting unwanted speech to people into restricting speech about people. ...

... Friday, I filed a friend-of-the-court brief in another such case, Van Valkerburg v. Gjoni, now pending in Massachusetts appellate court. ...

In Van Valkerburg, a Massachusetts trial court issued an order providing that Gjoni is

Ordered not to post any further information about the [plaintiff] or her personal life on line or to encourage “hate mobs”

That order, we argue, is a clear violation of the First Amendment, for reasons we explain in the brief, which I’m also quoting below. A court can’t order someone to just stop saying anything about a person. Certain narrow categories of speech about people are constitutionally unprotected (such as true threats of violence, speech that is intended to and likely to incite people to imminent criminal conduct, and possibly certain kinds of speech that reveals highly private information). But this order goes vastly beyond any such narrow First Amendment exceptions.

...The post that led to the order is at the heart of the so-called “Gamergate” controversy, which some readers might be acquainted with. ...

The brief:

* * *

ARGUMENT

Broad injunctions, such as the one in this case, violate the First Amendment

The injunction in this case, barring the posting of all “information” about Ms. Van Valkerburg, is an unconstitutional prior restraint. “An injunction that forbids speech activities is a classic example of a prior restraint.” ...

Restricting speech about an ex-lover’s life unconstitutionally restricts people’s ability to speak about their own lives

Restricting Gjoni’s speech about Van Valkerburg also unconstitutionally restricts Gjoni’s speech about himself and his own life. The injunction, for instance, limits Gjoni’s ability to publicly discuss this litigation or the injunction itself. Gjoni cannot discuss his case without including some “information about” Van Valkerburg, including about her “personal life” — such as her name, their past romantic relationship, and the fact that she sought an injunction against him.

Likewise, when people condemn Gjoni online for allegedly acting badly by writing about Van Valkerburg, the injunction limits Gjoni from explaining why he thought his statements were fair and justified. And if Gjoni wants to tell his friends and acquaintances, in an online journal or on his Facebook page, how he feels about romantic relationships or why he is cautious about a new relationship, he cannot do so if the explanation would mention Van Valkerburg. ...

... True statements, and expressions of opinion about people, are fully protected ...

III. Allowing such broad injunctions would open the door to suppressing a broad range of speech

...

CONCLUSION

For these reasons, amici ask the Court to hold that the restraining order violates the First Amendment.

[/quote]

[KiwiInOz]

That is:

[youtube]watch?v=UI74oWE2A7s[/youtube]

Thank you Matt, that helped too ^.^

Like hell it helped. I now have to watch all of the repeats.

[paddybrown]

Want to start a shit storm?

Start a new hash tag on Twitter

# whitelivesreallymatter

Sit back and watch the fun....

Parsehole this could be godfrey's final act.

Kinda like when Daffy Duck blew himself up on stage...

Godfrey is dead as fuck, mate.
I have vowed, on the eyes of my child, never to troll again

I kind of imagine you like David Carradine in Kung Fu, doing his best not to be violent, but always being drawn back into the fray to use his martial arts skills in defence of the innocent.

[paddybrown]

You cannot argue with facts.
You cannot defeat logic.

I name this scientific method "Factgic"

Stewart Lee tells an awesome story about being in a London cab when the driver turned and made an out-of-the-blue racist comment. They had a little discussion, and then Lee recounts how the driver responded to a point with "Ah, well you can prove anything with facts, can't you?".

Stewart Lee, you say? Dealing in politically correct stereotypes of straw right-wingers? I refuse to believe that.

The racist cabbie is as much a comedy cliché as the fat mother in law, and Stewart Lee is a tedious self-righteous twat.

[paddybrown]

Christ I used to have a huge crush on Tanita Tikaram back then. She was gorgeous.

'Strue. I was a big fan back when I was a pretentious teenager. I don't think I noticed that this song doesn't make the slightest sense.

[youtube]O1D5UgbpCkI[/youtube]

I'm pretty sure she's gay. Then again, I'm pretty sure I'd have no more chance with her if she was straight.

[Brive1987]

Christ I used to have a huge crush on Tanita Tikaram back then. She was gorgeous.

'Strue. I was a big fan back when I was a pretentious teenager. I don't think I noticed that this song doesn't make the slightest sense.

[youtube]O1D5UgbpCkI[/youtube]

I'm pretty sure she's gay. Then again, I'm pretty sure I'd have no more chance with her if she was straight.

I've got no idea who she is, but if the lights went out and I heard that voice, I'd be picking up my gay card on the way out.

Not that there's anything wrong ........

[paddybrown]

Perhaps in reality it was Tanita Tikaram that made the comment (she's let herself go, BTW).

[youtube]BCRDh6QH_Y0[/youtube]

Still looks pretty fine to me.

[Brive1987]

No one else has - so I'll make the observation. How the fuck did that gunman fire multiple shots at the reporter and have her still run away? Thats not how it works on TWD.

(The GoPro / smartphone POV footage makes it hard to believe he missed)

[Dick Strawkins]

Meanwhile, over at Slymepit Seattle...

http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/201 ... nto-boxes/

[rayshul]

So I said that the article at Jack's link above was too ZQ-focused, then I turn around & present the article below, about the legality of ZQ's gag order on Gjoni. Some will find it an interesting read, as I did - for me, more as a general point about free speech & legal limits on attempts to curtail it than about the specific situation/case.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/vol ... plaintiff/

I've been finding Gjoni's ongoing legal battles really fascinating. I have not donated to them but the more traction he gets and the more this case seems to be representing/precedent setting, I do want to.

[Dick Strawkins]

No one else has - so I'll make the observation. How the fuck did that gunman fire multiple shots at the reporter and have her still run away? Thats not how it works on TWD.

(The GoPro / smartphone POV footage makes it hard to believe he missed)

Small gun, inexperienced shooter?
I'd guess he didn't hit a vital organ with the first few shots but that's just speculation - it might be more informative if some of our pitter military types comment here.

[Cunt of Personality]

No one else has - so I'll make the observation. How the fuck did that gunman fire multiple shots at the reporter and have her still run away? Thats not how it works on TWD.

(The GoPro / smartphone POV footage makes it hard to believe he missed)

On a related note, I'm curious as to why she didn't fly backwards though a window into a drinks vending machine.

[JackSkeptic]

So I said that the article at Jack's link above was too ZQ-focused, then I turn around & present the article below, about the legality of ZQ's gag order on Gjoni. Some will find it an interesting read, as I did - for me, more as a general point about free speech & legal limits on attempts to curtail it than about the specific situation/case.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/vol ... plaintiff/

I've been finding Gjoni's ongoing legal battles really fascinating. I have not donated to them but the more traction he gets and the more this case seems to be representing/precedent setting, I do want to.

I think what should be noted is her family hired some of the best lawyers. Like many SJW's she comes from a very privileged family (which is why the Marxist switch from class to culture works so well for them) The judge was lazy and just caved to the legal weight. Gjoni didn't stand a chance. Social Justice is no justice at all.

[German StrutBoatsman]

What's up with the Pit? Every time I open the forum I wake up four hours later with no idea what has happenend.
And I didn't even read all the Steersman posts :?

[rayshul]

I'm reading more and more about people looking at the connections with the shooter and SJW culture. :/

[German StrutBoatsman]

So, a white person is in a position of power with respect to a black one, but a man is in a position of power with respect to a woman; so, in the case of a white woman having sex with a white man, how does the power calculus work out? Does gender trump race, race trump gender, or do they cancel out?

I need to change my answer. The correct answer is: if you have to ask, you're fucked anyway.

Isnt being fucked the whole point?

See, not for the SJW involved. At least not in the way you'd prefer.

[Mermaid1234]

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/candy-gi ... 545069.jpg



A few more days and I can get bananas, ovaltine, heath bars, and yogurt at the store, to make a smoothie =)

Bananas are the best

[Peter Flanders]

Don't you think it is appalling that they have no consideration that old ladies like Oafie might read this and think it is a genuine news article? They are very cruel and should write THIS IS A JOKE next to this sort of material.

http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/201 ... -tells-ya/

Not just old ladies. Also PZ has fallen for onion-style hoaxes more than once. If something resonates with his preconceived ideas, all skepticism is shown the door.

Discocuntgate continues to rumble on (in my head). I didn't see Benson's post until after she had noticed it was a hoax, so I don't know if I too would have been fooled by it. But I think there were so many clues to its spoofiness any native English speaker should have spotted it was a joke quite easily. This shows a woeful lack of scepticism on her part, and when she did correct the post, her "Never mind" comment demonstrates she pays little heed to her having been shown to be so gullible. She offers no insight into why she was had, so we don't know if she never read the link she posted, taking just the image alone on trust, or whether she read the original article and every single one of the alarm bells contained within it flew over her head, or whether she placed too much trust in the way she was first tipped off that the image existed. I'm going to de-construct it from my England based perspective, others may find even more hidden jokes which I have overlooked.

Oafie titles her post 'Massive, I tell ya'. She finds it funny that a massive sign, including the word massive, has a massive 'cunt' typo in it. Nothing wrong with that, I do too. But then she proceeds to describe it as if it were a real event. Her link to the origin says "Cardiff Store Apologises For Offensive Shop Banner".

First clue. Which store? There's no store name in the image, who was apologising?
Next clue. It just looks a bit photoshoppy.

On to the original article.

http://www.walesoncraic.com/cardiff-sto ... op-banner/

She has clearly never seen the source website before. It's called WalesOnCraic. Craic is an Irish word. It means gossip or vibe. What's the craic? has a close similarity to What's happening? in meaning. It's not a Welsh word, or if it is it is no where near as common as the Irish version. It is pronounced 'crack'. The site name is "Wales On Crack".

We can be certain that Benson read the article's headline, because she quoted it in her post. Maybe she found that funny too, that a Cardiff store owner would have to apologise for such a massive typo. As I re-read the article I notice I had overlooked that in paragraph two we learn that the store name is "Massive Discounts". So the central point of WalesOnCraic's joke is that the store did not notice an offensive typo in the sign for their own store. This escaped me as I didn't expect a store to be called "Massive Discounts" in itself. Whether Benson thought that was the store name we will never know.

Paragraph three we find the store owner is called Jim Bellend. For those not familiar with English slang, the bellend is the end part of a penis. It would be extremely unlikely that it would be a Welsh person's surname.

“I’ve always hammered home the importance of good spelling to my staff. Unfortunately, this didn’t extend to the twat who made my sign and posted it for all the world to see. It’s a massive embarrassment as I don’t have any discocunts in stock.”

Unlikely a store manager would call a member of staff a 'twat' when giving a quote to a newspaper. The store manager is oblivious to the problem of displaying "DISCOCUNTS" on the High Street, he is concerned that he can't stock them.

Lesley Longarms looks like a made up name, but is just possible.

“I popped in to get one for my husband as I’d rather he didn’t touch mine. I was vexed when they told me that they didn’t sell any. I left in tears so I went to Burger King and stuffed my face full of dead cow and fat.”

Lesley Longarms wanted to buy a discocunt for her husband because she would rather he didn't touch her discocunt. Hmm, that looks a little problematic to me. She was vexed when they said they didn't sell discocunts. Similar. The 'dead cow and fat' line also seems a bit unlikely when giving a quote to someone.

The shop has since replaced the banner.

Lovely little understated punchline from WalesOnCraic, or as Benson would say, after all that fuss, "Never mind."
So perhaps you have never heard of WalesOnCraic before, and you don't know about Royston Butterscotch's reputation as a fearsome journalist. Why not try the about us button?

WalesOnCraic is a spoof website for entertainment purposes only.

They are very open about their mission. One click and Benson could have settled any little niggling doubts. But she didn't have any, and it is even likely she didn't read past the headline of the article.

Benson prides herself in teasing apart every little nuance of other people's comments and statements. But when she gets tucked up like a kipper, reports spoof as fact, we are told to never mind. It is inconsequential that she cannot tell fact from fiction, even when the clues are pressed up against her nose.

The comments are enlightening too:

Facepalm. How does that get through even the most cursory system?

Err, if you are talking about how Benson posted this, it is because she is extremely gullible.

FAKE. I’ve lived in Cardiff for over five years and I’ve never seen any shop resembling this. Plus it totally looks Photoshopped and comes from a stupid ‘satire’ site.

Her first reason is the unlikely "fact" that she knows every shop in Cardiff, at city with a population of over 300,000. Second, it looks photoshopped, which is better, but is not conclusive proof of anything. Finally she gets it, it's a "stupid 'satire' site". Not so stupid that they couldn't fool Benson mark you. If WalesOnCraic is stupid, Benson is even dumber by falling for it. Nice compliment for your blog host there.

Are you sure this is real? Just judging by the other post titles I’d say this is a spoof site:

Helpline Opens To Help Women Addicted To Buying Cushions

New Series Of Rentaghost To Be Filmed In Bedlinog

Labour Party To Organise Piss-Up In A Brewery

Delft has his/her suspicions, but doesn't know how to check them.

But worth a smile:

[Shopkeeper: ] …It’s a massive embarrassment as I don’t have any discocunts in stock.

Shopper Lesley Longarms said: “I popped in to get one for my husband as I’d rather he didn’t touch mine. I was vexed when they told me that they didn’t sell any.”

Delft has now noticed a smutty joke.

This is satire, but I’ve worked in banner making and its actually not that implausible that a mistake can creep in. If it gets past the digital stage, people will likely never see the whole banner until its in place, and even then, they aren’t looking for spelling mistakes, so it may be a client that sees it first.

Caf gets it, but doesn't enlighten us as to where his/her opinion comes from.

Benson gets off on being a humourless old crone. Full marks to WalesOnCraic for exposing how she can be dumber than stupid. She could have used this as an opportunity to explain what she found funny and why she failed to spot the wind up. You have to suspect she is embarrassed for finding such a massive cunt joke funny. If she was just able to apply the analytic skills she applies to everyone else to herself we might end up with a much more likeable and insightful person.

[Brive1987]

No one else has - so I'll make the observation. How the fuck did that gunman fire multiple shots at the reporter and have her still run away? Thats not how it works on TWD.

(The GoPro / smartphone POV footage makes it hard to believe he missed)

On a related note, I'm curious as to why she didn't fly backwards though a window into a drinks vending machine.

Fly back?


Oh yes.

And to the left.

[Brive1987]

Virginia's Finest: member of the crack MMT

Militarised Muffin Top ("Remember the Twinkie - oorah"

http://i.imgur.com/yJNaqy7.jpg

[Brive1987]

Oh Ophie, you trolling with the funny name play?

Well done. :clap: :clap:

http://i.imgur.com/gxL2x6R.jpg

[Peter Flanders]

Oh Ophie, you trolling with the funny name play?

Well done. :clap: :clap:

http://i.imgur.com/gxL2x6R.jpg

Someone should teach that fucker to 'shop, then we'd have some laughs.

[JackSkeptic]

Oh Ophie, you trolling with the funny name play?

Well done. :clap: :clap:

http://i.imgur.com/gxL2x6R.jpg

Someone better tell her she's turning into a 'pitter before its too late to save her. Go back to the light Benson!!!!!

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

"Flanagan’s 23-page manifesto, which he faxed to ABC News, has been sent to investigators, Overton said."

We'll find out soon enough, but I'm going to guess 90% of it is going to consist of paranoid conspiracies of racism against him.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/shooting-alleg ... d=33336339

“Why did I do it? I put down a deposit for a gun on 6/19/15. The Church shooting in Charleston happened on 6/17/15…”

“What sent me over the top was the church shooting. And my hollow point bullets have the victims’ initials on them."

“As for Dylann Roof? You (deleted)! You want a race war (deleted)? BRING IT THEN YOU WHITE …(deleted)!!!”

Uh oh.

Motherfucker deserves his death. Fucking cat killer!

In his manifesto, he says he encountered "nasty racist things" while working at WDBJ-7 in Roanoke, and that drove him to sue the station. "I marched down to the courthouse and sued WDBJ7 by myself and they settled! HA!"

He continues: "I can remember one day in particular... leaving the courthouse... feeling overwhelmed... confused... even some fear. But by golly I knew I HAD to fight. ... They truly f----d with my life and caused an awful chain of events." He says he even killed his cats in a forest "because of them."

So he sued a former employer he had a grievance with and he won a settlement. The poor guy just could not get justice.

I can't tell you the number of times that other people have made me kill cats in a forest, because if someone goes off into the forest alone to kill cats, someone made them do it. It is all their fault he killed those cats.

[JackSkeptic]

Oh Ophie, you trolling with the funny name play?

Well done. :clap: :clap:

http://i.imgur.com/gxL2x6R.jpg

Someone should teach that fucker to 'shop, then we'd have some laughs.

I would LOVE it if Benson did 'shops of you lot. As long as she doesn't use Bjartjeghtyrued as her humourist.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Complete quote fail. I won't correct it.

[Cunt of Personality]

Complete quote fail. I won't correct it.

Own it, embrace it; it's part of who to are.

[Peter Flanders]

Complete quote fail. I won't correct it.

Own it, embrace it; it's part of who to are.

Phil has clearly got an edit button, but he declines to use it. Talk about privilege writ large.

[Ape+lust]

About Ophelia getting fooled by the Discocunts story... it's Ophelia, it's happened to her many times before. She's impulsive, she wants her couple of lines of harrumphing online PRONTO, which means she's posted "nevermind" and "my bad" followups more times than she'd like to remember. She even once gave a live interview to a woo merchant because the name of his site was Skeptiko, so there's audio out there of one of her whoops moments.

[Cunt of Personality]

I won't fix that, either.

[Badger3k]

I'm working through Dragon Age: Inquisition, it's a pretty fun game ^.^

Well done you...

Thank you Jim, and hey there =~)

The game really looks amazing, I loved the first Dragon Age too, way back when. The atmosphere is so important for me in any game, it helps me get lost in the world. The character interactions are fun too.

You can't romance Cole. Others, yes. My group usually contains Iron Bull and Dorian for might and magic. The interactions between them are...interesting. One about Bull taking charge of Dorian and riding him, or something like it. A bit unexpected. Not sure if anything will develop between them. Plus, the Iron Bull personal storyline with Dorian involved gets some interesting political/historical discussion that won't happen with others involved - I forgot they were on opposite sides in a war.

[Peter Flanders]

[via an Al Stefanelli retweet]

[Peter Flanders]

About Ophelia getting fooled by the Discocunts story... it's Ophelia, it's happened to her many times before. She's impulsive, she wants her couple of lines of harrumphing online PRONTO, which means she's posted "nevermind" and "my bad" followups more times than she'd like to remember. She even once gave a live interview to a woo merchant because the name of his site was Skeptiko, so there's audio out there of one of her whoops moments.

I didn't write it in the hope of changing her. I wrote it because something about it was stuck in my head. I've got a mild aversion to people laughing at me if I make an unintentional mistake, which I probably share with Benson. Writing helps to untangle the pieces. If I do a painting or write a poem, and show it the others, I start to understand a little better why I wanted to create it in the first place.

[Badger3k]

So I said that the article at Jack's link above was too ZQ-focused, then I turn around & present the article below, about the legality of ZQ's gag order on Gjoni. Some will find it an interesting read, as I did - for me, more as a general point about free speech & legal limits on attempts to curtail it than about the specific situation/case.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/vol ... plaintiff/

I've been finding Gjoni's ongoing legal battles really fascinating. I have not donated to them but the more traction he gets and the more this case seems to be representing/precedent setting, I do want to.

I think what should be noted is her family hired some of the best lawyers. Like many SJW's she comes from a very privileged family (which is why the Marxist switch from class to culture works so well for them) The judge was lazy and just caved to the legal weight. Gjoni didn't stand a chance. Social Justice is no justice at all.

I presumed that's one reason she uses her alias - unless she legally changed her name - CvV just reeks of money and privilege.

[Shatterface]

Stewart Lee, you say? Dealing in politically correct stereotypes of straw right-wingers? I refuse to believe that.

The racist cabbie is as much a comedy cliché as the fat mother in law, and Stewart Lee is a tedious self-righteous twat.

Cabbies are often the only working class people media lovies meet so they are often targeted for expressing opinions held widely outside their media bubble.

I think they preferred it in the horse and carriage days when cabbies knew their place and sat outside.

[rayshul]

Big brother isn't the one watching; we're watching ourselves and policing each other. I feel like there's a slymepit novel in here somewhere.

[feathers]

(Have lynx, fucking off... :cdc: )

http://www.featurepics.com/FI/Thumb300/ ... 208366.jpg

http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/40e/52c/10 ... 9a9f64.jpg

[deLurch]

I presumed that's one reason she uses her alias - unless she legally changed her name - CvV just reeks of money and privilege.

She did end up having her name legally changed. I am not sure when that occurred, but she submitted the paper work to have it changed legally to Zoe Quinn.

It is a good thing Mommy & Daddy still love their porn daughter, otherwise she would not be able to afford the lawyers to dig her ass out of the messes she gets herself into.

[deLurch]

Big brother isn't the one watching; we're watching ourselves and policing each other. I feel like there's a slymepit novel in here somewhere.

Here you go.
Cat's Cradle by Kurt Vonnegut
http://vk.com/doc14549924_51022648?hash ... de34cfa4fa

[Mermaid1234]

You can't romance Cole. Others, yes. My group usually contains Iron Bull and Dorian for might and magic. The interactions between them are...interesting. One about Bull taking charge of Dorian and riding him, or something like it. A bit unexpected. Not sure if anything will develop between them. Plus, the Iron Bull personal storyline with Dorian involved gets some interesting political/historical discussion that won't happen with others involved - I forgot they were on opposite sides in a war.

I've got fantasies about being Cole's little sister in BDSM terms, lol, or girlfriend in vanillla terms. I don't think I have Iron Bull in my party yet, I do have Dorian, and he's set to be an um, Necromancer mage I think? I respecced him. I romanced Leliana in the first game playing as a lady mage, and in this game I'm trying to romance Sera, Cassandra, Cole, and Blackwall, just to see where it goes. Cole is so awesome though, too bad I can't romance him :( I think Dorian is hot, but I didn't bother with him because too stuck up for my tastes. Sera is intriguing in a friendly sort of way, but I don't feel much there beyond friends with benefits at the most. I mostly just want Cole for romance and sex, none of the rest; the rest are casuals and/or friends. Cole though? I'd fall madly in love with Cole if given the chance by him... :mrgreen:

That's an intriguing bit of dialogue about Iron Bull and Dorian, is Iron Bull the big guy from Fallow's Mire that's got white hair and is really tall and muscular?? I'm not sure who that is. The Lesbian and Gay type dialogues should be interesting to hear, but I haven't picked up on much yet. I still wish I could romance Leliana like in the first game, and if I can't romance Cole well drats that sucks. Leliana is more attractive in this game than she was in the first one, but Cole is pretty much who I have my sights on, so it sucks to hear I can't romance him. That won't stop me from trying =~)

[Scented Nectar]

Meanwhile, despite rape culture being on the rise, the rate of reported rapes inexplicably continues to drop:

http://cdn.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-c ... ender1.jpg

Interesting that the peak of reported rapes happened in the early 90s. What kind of social hysteria was floating around about that period...

Early web with usenet groups full of hardcore porn? It looks like there is a correlation between easily accessed porn and reduced real life rapes. Maybe each wank done to rape porn is one less real rape taking place. There was also a study done a few years ago in some European countries where it used to be illegal to have porn and then became legal. The same correlation happened there too with higher porn and less rapes. It's totally opposite to the claims of radfems. They like to claim that porn encourages sexual crimes. The stats are not in their favour.

[Tony Parsehole]

Oh Ophie, you trolling with the funny name play?

Well done. :clap: :clap:

http://i.imgur.com/gxL2x6R.jpg

Someone should teach that fucker to 'shop, then we'd have some laughs.

I would LOVE it if Benson did 'shops of you lot. As long as she doesn't use Bjartjeghtyrued as her humourist.

OOoooooo.....You've summoned him now. The most interesting man in the Norway.

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5777/209 ... 66b8_b.jpg

[KiwiInOz]

everydayfeminism.com/2015/08/white-person-dating-poc/

7 Things to Remember If You’re a White Person Dating a Person of Color

August 17, 2015 by Melissa A. Fabello

...

That post made me so angry I feel like a SJW reading something that triggered me.

Should've titled that post "How to take care of your pet nigger."

They've also probably never come across bbc porn while innocently searching for the BBC news site.

[Karmakin]

A nice summary of what Gamergate is about:

http://spectator.org/articles/63882/beg ... -gamergate

Very good analogy there, helps explain the situation, except IMO it's too ZQ-focused. (However that does help facilitate the analogizing). That said, see my next post, below.

Yeah, it was a bit too ZQ-focused, although the analogy certainly was a trigger point. The "Gamers Are Dead" articles were a much bigger part of it IMO, although certainly one facilitated the other. I think it's more that pretty much overnight a lot of people learned that many community leaders who they thought were all on the same team actually hated their guts and despised them. That created a lot of social panic. There have been other flareups of this, the condemnation of the criticism of the Mass Effect 3 ending, as an example. But this really blew it up.

And honestly, there's a larger social context.

When Volkah says that truth is a defense in these cases, I think it's important to note that in terms of how these Call-Out Culture things go, The Zoe Post was as backed up as it came. Tons of logs giving proof of his side of the story. And yet, this is the one that got shut down, and something like the whole Mattress Girl thing can go on with no issue (something IMO with negative evidence). I think that's a large part of the context that people see is that there's this MASSIVE double standard, and that's what they're reacting to.

At the time, quite frankly, what Gjoni did..well..that's part and parcel for groups like ShitRedditSays (probably the "root" of the problem in our society..remember that FTB/Atheism+ ended up modeled after them)..that's their entire way of doing things. Publicly call people out for the wrongdoings that they do.

Why is it different this time?

It's the double standard that scares the pants off of people.

[Pseudomonas]

(Have lynx, fucking off... :cdc: )

Thanks Feathers, and everyone else, for the welcome.

Brief intro - I'm one of the (many) who used to read Pharyngula for the science, increasingly went WTF at the Horde, wondered what the other side of the story was regarding Elevatorgate, and ended up lurking here til very recently.

I did pretty much the same with the Hugos kerfuffle - used to read the SJW side of things, went WTF, started to read the 'puppies' side and very quickly realised who the sensible lot were...

I'm a (Uni based) biochemist.

Probably won't get much time to comment, but will try to stick my oar in occasionally.

Pseudomonas

[KiwiInOz]

Thanks Feathers, and everyone else, for the welcome.

Brief intro - I'm one of the (many) who used to read Pharyngula for the science, increasingly went WTF at the Horde, wondered what the other side of the story was regarding Elevatorgate, and ended up lurking here til very recently.

snip...

I'm a (Uni based) biochemist.

snip

Sorry, but you've triggered the Pit's warning system and we have to run a quick Nerd of Redhead (sensu lato Turing Test) on you. Is water organic?

[Spike13]

But the shooter was a journalist himself. And it's not like the victims were on national TV - just local stuff, right? It's not like she was core in any kind of serious commentary or debate over issues and incidents like Charleston.

I don't think racism is really the root motive; seems more like a run-of-the-mill workplace disgruntlement that maybe was tipped over the edge by other factors, but I don't think what those factors were really matters too much. The perp seems like he was a loose cannon.

Quite agree. This isn't about race relations, it's about someone who from all accounts so far was a fucking loon.

From what I have seen a reporter from one of his previous jobs had said that he was a source of problems.


The media of course will presue the race angle because it gets clicks and ratings.

Never let the truth get in front of a good story.

[Brive1987]

Any urban "septics" here own firearms? If so why?

Genuinely curious.