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(Just to add a bit of balance)

Lsouma, fuck you for running this place.

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Linus wrote:(Just to add a bit of balance)
Lsouma, fuck you for running this place.
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JackSkeptic wrote: [T]he JREF forums are slower than my dead cat... I've given up following the posts there and so may have others. It is why I don't post there.
There's a reason for that. Most of the members on JREF are old white male farts (aka humanists) who get exhausted easily and have to nap after every post. Consequently, the pace is rather torpid.

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Linus wrote:(Just to add a bit of balance)

Lsouma, fuck you for running this place.
I think this comment should be considered an act of war.

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http://37.media.tumblr.com/a5c6b085f43c ... 1_1280.png

Will the fat shaming ever end?

DAMN YOU CHILDREN'S SHOWS

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-27714371

So this fat malicious failure gets sentenced today. Should we have a sweepstake? Will she spend less time in jail than the man she accused, will she get community service or will she serve as an example and do some serious time?

I'm going to guess stern words with added pity and probation.

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Doc: I told you to exercise and eat the right foods.
Tina: No, I'm sure you said accessories and buy nice shoes.

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Who has time for all this shit? I work full time at Patriarchy HQ making sammiches and enabling rape. What a bunch of nicker sniffers. Get with the program!

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James Caruthers wrote:http://37.media.tumblr.com/a5c6b085f43c ... 1_1280.png

Will the fat shaming ever end?

DAMN YOU CHILDREN'S SHOWS
And don't forget his kids repeatedly ask him if he has a baby in his belly!
I've actually seen that episode with my daughter. He ends up doing three pushups, waits until the family leaves to prepare some dinner and then sits down and watches telly. So not just a lazy fat cunt but a dishonest lazy fat cunt.

FACT: Richard Ridings, the voice actor who plays Daddy Pig is the Mentor in Dungeon Keeper.

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Richard Dworkins wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-27714371

So this fat malicious failure gets sentenced today. Should we have a sweepstake? Will she spend less time in jail than the man she accused, will she get community service or will she serve as an example and do some serious time?

I'm going to guess stern words with added pity and probation.
I've just run the facts of this trial through the 'SJW rape calculus' and have discovered a huge travesty of justice.

She accused her ex-boyfriend of five counts of rape.

Since only 2% of rape accusations are false, this means that of every 100 rape accusations made, 98 of them are true.

The chances of any single rape accusation against this man being true is therefore 98%.

But he is accused of five counts of rape so the chances increase expoonentially - in other words the chance that he is innocent of rape is equal to 2% of 2% of 2% of 2% of 2% - which works out to a 0.00000032% of being innocent.

Neofem Science! It works bitc... err, It works, dudebros! :ugeek:

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James Caruthers wrote:
Dave wrote:
If they were really proud of their bodies, they wouldnt bother with the knickers.
I'm still trying to figure out how other people having their own standards of beauty is "fascist."
I dunno, I think the fashion industry is pretty fascist. In an ideal world everyone would have just as equal an opportunity to be a model as anyone else. Yet the fashion industry works on pure genetics - 'good looking' people are allowed to participate, most of us are shown the door immediately. I understand why this is, but it is a pretty despicable and inhumane MO nonetheless.

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Søren Lilholt wrote: I dunno, I think the fashion industry is pretty fascist. In an ideal world everyone would have just as equal an opportunity to be a model as anyone else. Yet the fashion industry works on pure genetics - 'good looking' people are allowed to participate, most of us are shown the door immediately. I understand why this is, but it is a pretty despicable and inhumane MO nonetheless.
I wanted to be an astronaut. But I was born without 20/20 vision. Time to write some angry slogans ending in "fuck" and join an Eyeball Activism social justice group to protest for the rights of the differently-eyeballed! :snooty:

I fail to see any fascism anywhere. The private businesses set the standard by what the market responds to. Basic marketing: Attractive people sell shit. Now if you make clothes, do you give your modeling jobs to people who are attractive, or people who are not?

All of which is besides the point that the fat chick's sign was about "beauty standards" re: what she imagines men like find attractive in women. The world of fashion and your average guy have very different standards of beauty. In most cases, the feminists seem to be railing not against the fashion industry, but against "Hollywood" or "teh pig menz." Or maybe publications like Playboy. They seem more upset because the bulldyke lesbian and 350-pound BBW looks haven't caught on as mainstream sex icons of Middle America.

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Post by SoylentAtheist »

Søren Lilholt wrote:I dunno, I think the fashion industry is pretty fascist. In an ideal world everyone would have just as equal an opportunity to be a model as anyone else. Yet the fashion industry works on pure genetics - 'good looking' people are allowed to participate, most of us are shown the door immediately. I understand why this is, but it is a pretty despicable and inhumane MO nonetheless.
You have the "fashion industry" and then you have the companies that actually sell clothes. Different manufactures target different body sizes & types. And the models they use, reflect the people who fit into their clothes. If you want to see plus size models, look at plus size clothing manufacture's catalogs & websites.

Let's face it. Hardly anyone ever wears anything that goes down the avante-garde catwalks.

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Dick Strawkins wrote:
Richard Dworkins wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-27714371

So this fat malicious failure gets sentenced today. Should we have a sweepstake? Will she spend less time in jail than the man she accused, will she get community service or will she serve as an example and do some serious time?

I'm going to guess stern words with added pity and probation.
I've just run the facts of this trial through the 'SJW rape calculus' and have discovered a huge travesty of justice.

She accused her ex-boyfriend of five counts of rape.

Since only 2% of rape accusations are false, this means that of every 100 rape accusations made, 98 of them are true.

The chances of any single rape accusation against this man being true is therefore 98%.

But he is accused of five counts of rape so the chances increase expoonentially - in other words the chance that he is innocent of rape is equal to 2% of 2% of 2% of 2% of 2% - which works out to a 0.00000032% of being innocent.

Neofem Science! It works bitc... err, It works, dudebros! :ugeek:
I thought Hwhill Hwheaton put you shitlords in your place with this. It's 0.6% of rape claims that are false, meaning that he is 0.0000000007776% likely to be innocent. Don't you realise in your shitlordery that you're excusing another 412 rapists for every dudebro that you say is innocent when you spread this 0.00000032% false rape myth?

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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-d4dp7IKm0yM/U ... inisin.jpg

Hey Parsehold, check this out.

Fat activism rolls on, unopposed. :lol:

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James Caruthers wrote:
Hahahahaha!

You should use your hipster twitter account to infiltrate the social justice wankers over on FTB. Maybe you can be the next "nanoboy" or "demisexual" guy. Create some fake bullshit condition and then get them all to adopt it as their next big cause. :dance:
Just had a thought, and pages to go to catch up, but did anybody retweet that, with lesbian instead of straight guy? Be interesting to see the response, well, unless you were blocked or suspended by the bot, that is.

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didymos wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:To be fair, if I remember right Zinnia was mad because hetero males have a separate word for getting boned in the ass by their girlfriends. She figures there's no reason for "pegging" other than gay fear. She was grousing about them, not people who aren't into anal.
Zinnia is a fucktard. The word was invented for a contest that Dan Savage ran in his column. It's not like all the cishet dudes held a conclave on terminology. Also, considering pretty much every sexual act has it's own name, I don't see what the big deal is.
Does that mean a Cleveland Steamer doesn't have to involve someone from Cleveland?

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I saw that someone had retweeted the following on my twitter feed.
Is Paul Elam meant to be some kind of leader?
What's with this silly sub-teenage level personal crap?

It comes across as very unprofessional, and what's more, it makes it seem that this is the only thing Elam has to use against Futrelle who, lets face it, is not a difficult target to criticize (all he does is cherry pick the worst stories about MRAs he can find to mock on his site, and the same again the next day, and the next etc)
To simply criticize him for his looks allows Futrelle to claim victory ("they can't criticize what I write, so all they are left with is personal remarks about my looks")

By the way, Paul, unless the writing team of AVFM looks like this:

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I'd lay off the criticism of other peoples physical appearance.

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DownThunder wrote:That Iron Pill comic is fantastic. I don't think its necessarily a troll, just an artist with a flair for surreal humour mixed with some social commentary.
I don't recognise the "monsters" in the Iron Pill comic apart from Big Red... can anyone help?

The ambiguity reminds me of the Beware the Believers video. Are they mocking one side of the 'debate'? Or are they trolling everyone? Does it even matter- it's hilarious anyway.

[youtube]eaGgpGLxLQw[/youtube]


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windy wrote:
DownThunder wrote:That Iron Pill comic is fantastic. I don't think its necessarily a troll, just an artist with a flair for surreal humour mixed with some social commentary.
I don't recognise the "monsters" in the Iron Pill comic apart from Big Red... can anyone help?

The ambiguity reminds me of the Beware the Believers video. Are they mocking one side of the 'debate'? Or are they trolling everyone? Does it even matter- it's hilarious anyway.

[youtube]eaGgpGLxLQw[/youtube]
I haven't seen that video since it first came out around the time of 'Expelled'.

It's funny to see how prominently they feature Peeezus in the video - probably more so than anyone other than Dawkins.

http://i.imgur.com/er63y7n.jpg

And it didn't seem so unusual at the time.
Nobody commented that it was strange to see Myers there alongside Dennett, Hitch or Harris. It really did seem that he was certain to join the others in the mainstream. Nothing could stop his ascent to the big table.

And then Rebecca decided to make a video...

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That Iron Pill comic is fantastic. I don't think its necessarily a troll, just an artist with a flair for surreal humour mixed with some social commentary.
I don't it's a troll, but I also don't know how seriously I can take a guy who talks about a Jewish plot to steal Aryan strength through porn and masturbation.

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Za-zen wrote:I'm noticing a pattern developing, if you have a cute furry animal in your handle, Tony goes all psycho. Methinks there is some latent phobia/repressed memory at work, did he perchance murder all the family pets?
So, what, I'm not all cute and furry?

(ok, that sounded better in my head) :doh:

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ROBOKiTTY wrote:
Guestus Aurelius wrote:Don't leave, ROBOKiTTY.
It's hard to stomach it when you make a mild, measured criticism directed at no one in particular and have the Fascist Tit (and a number of others) jump down your throat. I can even understand if the Fascist Tit was in a foul mood and was never enamoured with my otherkin identity to begin with. What I detest is being singled out for abuse from an administrator in a place that purports to uphold free speech. Not even that guy with the David Cameron avatar receives this kind of abuse.

Anyone with a server can host a forum and rule by decree or have any set of arbitrary rules. On the other hand, when you purport to support free speech, the bar becomes that much higher. If we can only have free speech with regard to making fun of FTBullies and risk being told by the admin to eff off the moment we express an opinion contrary to what the Fascist Tit thinks, what kind of free speech is that?
Southern wrote:I like how the little twat came back for two days and managed to make at least one person to flounce. Well played, little twat, well played.
I haven't flounced. You may shoot me in the head and hang me, but you can't get rid of me that easily. :snooty:
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Scented Nectar wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Scented Nectar wrote:This discussion's nice and all, but would one of you please call me an ambulance???

:lol:
You'll be fine once we flip you over off your back.
Thank you kindly! It's not easy being a turtle, you know.
I guess this answers the question if you were a ninja or not. :(

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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:Two or three bans does not include the poor FtB's who identify as banned. Stop erasing their lived experience, Gumby!
How do we know Eucli isn't Avicenna? Hmmm..... :think:

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Is there anyone oilier than Stephanie Zvan? Her "DJ Grothe is a psychopath, but I'm not calling him one" con would make the most shameless implode with embarrassment.

Sorry if I skeeve anyone here with this one.

http://imgur.com/JKTimTR.jpg

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SoylentAtheist wrote:
NotEntitled wrote:I guess that's why this bothers me so much; because she's continually talking about being a "lady journalist," and it's probably elitist snobbery on my part, but I don't think she's earned it. I was a lady journalist, at least for a little while; this girl is a self-involved bitch who has her head stuck about four feet up her own ass and thinks the world owes her a living in the discipline of her choice.

Err, sorry for ranting. It's causing increasing cognitive dissonance for me that I see more and more shit like this and the only response to it seems to be "you go, girl!" Needed reassurance I am not the only sane person left.
But, but, but she has been taught from nursery school all the way up through high school that she is special, unique, talented and can achieve anything* she wants to do. Why oh why is this not magically working for her?!?! Must be the powerful Menz!

*OK, maybe she can't achieve anything she wants. But what she wants is going to take a hell of a lot more effort that she is putting in, because there is a hell of a lot of competition. Hell, people are getting paid big bucks to let people watch them play games!!!! And not just the people with sexy bodies, but skilled of funny gamers. There is more than one way to make a buck/name for yourself in that biz. Heck, can you imaging someone who does reviews while playing a game? OK. Not the best for avoiding spoilers, but some people don't care & some people like to read/hear/watch reviews even after they have the game.
I play games (not as much as I used to, or like to, even if I have a ton), and found out that I love making videos. It's hard work, and I don't have a catch yet (bad jokes aside, or music videos that might get my channel closed), and I don't have thousands of subscribers (only four, and not even any of my family, even the gamers). I usually skim my feed of videos every night, and the effort to make good content that attracts people and gets attention is real hard. I couldn't see doing it full time unless I was financially secure. My first music vid took all day to edit and fit to the music, and my 'follies mix took me one Sunday after weeks of gameplay to get the footage. I even watch some of the people who do "let's play" or "walkthroughs", and that actually got me to get a few games, and also kept me from buying some that were just not worth it. Lost my train of thought there, but...heckuva job, whassername? It's hard work? Oh yeah - not sure of the big bucks, but it takes a lot of subscribers, and endorsements too. You just can't be so privileged to have it fall into your lap without doing the work, just like any other job.

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Post by Suet Cardigan »

Ape+lust wrote:Is there anyone oilier than Stephanie Zvan? Her "DJ Grothe is a psychopath, but I'm not calling him one" con would make the most shameless implode with embarrassment.

Sorry if I skeeve anyone here with this one.

http://imgur.com/JKTimTR.jpg
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I wish I was able to see the expression on her face when she sees that shop.

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Suet Cardigan wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:Is there anyone oilier than Stephanie Zvan? Her "DJ Grothe is a psychopath, but I'm not calling him one" con would make the most shameless implode with embarrassment.

Sorry if I skeeve anyone here with this one.

http://imgur.com/JKTimTR.jpg
:lol:

I wish I was able to see the expression on her face when she sees that shop.
To finish my marathon session - what is the girl to cup ratio for that?

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Richard Dworkins wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-27714371

So this fat malicious failure gets sentenced today. Should we have a sweepstake? Will she spend less time in jail than the man she accused, will she get community service or will she serve as an example and do some serious time?

I'm going to guess stern words with added pity and probation.

But,but,but......that can't be right. False rape accusations don't exist. Why would she lie. Remember, believe the victim.

Oh, that's right. She's not a fucking victim. How can you believe the victim if you can't prove she was a fucking victim fuckwits.


Excuse me I'm off to punch a wall for 10mins.

That's better. Now. Has anyone seen any SJWs acknowledge this case or are they burying their heads and hoping it will go away.

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Badger3k wrote:
Scented Nectar wrote:Thank you kindly! It's not easy being a turtle, you know.
I guess this answers the question if you were a ninja or not. :(
Well, not a good one. My best years was when I was a teenage mutant ninja turtle. Now I'm an old lady mutant ninja turtle. Well, at least I was yesterday. I'm going back to human. Turns out I was a human in a turtle's body in a human's body. Who'd have believed it?

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Konrad_Cruze wrote:
Richard Dworkins wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-27714371

So this fat malicious failure gets sentenced today. Should we have a sweepstake? Will she spend less time in jail than the man she accused, will she get community service or will she serve as an example and do some serious time?

I'm going to guess stern words with added pity and probation.

But,but,but......that can't be right. False rape accusations don't exist. Why would she lie. Remember, believe the victim.

Oh, that's right. She's not a fucking victim. How can you believe the victim if you can't prove she was a fucking victim fuckwits.


Excuse me I'm off to punch a wall for 10mins.

That's better. Now. Has anyone seen any SJWs acknowledge this case or are they burying their heads and hoping it will go away.

I've only ever seen two SJWs publicly acknowledge the existence of false rape accusations. Curiously enough, they only acknowledged it in the case of a very specific subset of accusations and seemed to think every other rape accusation was almost certainly true.

http://i.imgur.com/yJHZb3H.jpg

Why they took that approach I cannot imagine.

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"Always believe the victim" sounds so much nicer than "always believe the accuser."

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Dick Strawkins wrote:
Konrad_Cruze wrote:
Richard Dworkins wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-27714371

So this fat malicious failure gets sentenced today. Should we have a sweepstake? Will she spend less time in jail than the man she accused, will she get community service or will she serve as an example and do some serious time?

I'm going to guess stern words with added pity and probation.

But,but,but......that can't be right. False rape accusations don't exist. Why would she lie. Remember, believe the victim.

Oh, that's right. She's not a fucking victim. How can you believe the victim if you can't prove she was a fucking victim fuckwits.


Excuse me I'm off to punch a wall for 10mins.

That's better. Now. Has anyone seen any SJWs acknowledge this case or are they burying their heads and hoping it will go away.

I've only ever seen two SJWs publicly acknowledge the existence of false rape accusations. Curiously enough, they only acknowledged it in the case of a very specific subset of accusations and seemed to think every other rape accusation was almost certainly true.

http://i.imgur.com/yJHZb3H.jpg

Why they took that approach I cannot imagine.
I can't for the life of me think why tha might be. Did PZ believe the victim when he was accused? of course he did

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James Caruthers wrote:"Always believe the victim" sounds so much nicer than "always believe the accuser."
They seem to fail to understand the difference between "Take the accusation seriously" and "believe what you are told" Which for a group of sceptics (Even if PZ did run away from that title) this is just embarrassing to be associated with them.

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The thing about false rape accusations is that I think they need to largely be tied into other issues. For example, what happened to PZ, to be fair I think is very similar to sexual harassment in and of itself. It's a form of sexual harassment. Do X or I'll do Y. And many FRA's are actually forms of domestic violence.

One of the best comments I've seen on this topic, was someone asked..well..who would make a false rape accusation? And a simple one word answer:

Abusers.

It's not unreasonable for people to be concerned about giving abusers more powerful weapons to work with.

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Karmakin wrote:The thing about false rape accusations is that I think they need to largely be tied into other issues. For example, what happened to PZ, to be fair I think is very similar to sexual harassment in and of itself. It's a form of sexual harassment. Do X or I'll do Y. And many FRA's are actually forms of domestic violence.

One of the best comments I've seen on this topic, was someone asked..well..who would make a false rape accusation? And a simple one word answer:

Abusers.

It's not unreasonable for people to be concerned about giving abusers more powerful weapons to work with.
Yes, but we all know that women can't be abusers.
Because patriarchy.

On a related note, I read an article today that might annoy a few SJWs.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/eu ... 85731.html

Women more likely to control partners with physical abuse
Far from the popular notion of women tending to be victims of "intimate partner violence" (IPV), they were more verbally and physically aggressive to their other halves than men, the findings showed.

Just as many women as men could be classed as abusive "intimate terrorists" who coupled controlling behaviour with serious levels of threats, intimidation and physical violence.
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Researchers questioned 1,104 young men and women about physical aggression and controlling behaviour involving partners and friends.

Study leader Dr Elizabeth Bates, from the University of Cumbria, said: "Previous studies have sought to explain male violence towards women as arising from patriarchal values, which motivate men to seek to control women's behaviour, using violence if necessary.

"This study found that women demonstrated a desire to control their partners and were more likely to use physical aggression than men. This suggests that IPV may not be motivated by patriarchal values and needs to be studied within the context of other forms of aggression, which has potential implications for interventions."
This ties in with yesterdays article from 'professional misogynist and sister punisher' (as she was described by Amanda Marcotte) Cathy Young:

http://time.com/2921491/hope-solo-women-violence/
"The Surprising Truth About Women and Violence"
But this woman-as-victim bias is at odds with the feminist emphasis on equality of the sexes. If we want our culture to recognize women’s capacity for leadership and competition, it is hypocritical to deny or downplay women’s capacity for aggression and even evil. We cannot argue that biology should not keep women from being soldiers while treating women as fragile and harmless in domestic battles. Traditional stereotypes both of female weakness and female innocence have led to double standards that often cause women’s violence—especially against men—to be trivialized, excused, or even (like Solange’s assault on Jay Z) treated as humorous. Today, simplistic feminist assumptions about male power and female oppression effectively perpetuate those stereotypes. It is time to see women as fully human—which includes the dark side of humanity.
I think she touches on an important point here. If the SJWs are insistent that men and women are equal and that there is nothing inherently male or female in our mental capacities, then it follows that not only will women share good behavioral traits with men, they will also share bad behavioral traits - such as the capacity for violence.

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Dick Strawkins wrote:
"The Surprising Truth About Women and Violence"
But this woman-as-victim bias is at odds with the feminist emphasis on equality of the sexes. If we want our culture to recognize women’s capacity for leadership and competition, it is hypocritical to deny or downplay women’s capacity for aggression and even evil. We cannot argue that biology should not keep women from being soldiers while treating women as fragile and harmless in domestic battles. Traditional stereotypes both of female weakness and female innocence have led to double standards that often cause women’s violence—especially against men—to be trivialized, excused, or even (like Solange’s assault on Jay Z) treated as humorous. Today, simplistic feminist assumptions about male power and female oppression effectively perpetuate those stereotypes. It is time to see women as fully human—which includes the dark side of humanity.
I think she touches on an important point here. If the SJWs are insistent that men and women are equal and that there is nothing inherently male or female in our mental capacities, then it follows that not only will women share good behavioral traits with men, they will also share bad behavioral traits - such as the capacity for violence.
I think so too. I read a book a while back about the history of lynchings in America. Apparently during one famous lynching, a bunch of men were standing with their weapons but seemed kind of unsure if they were actually going to go through with it, then a woman with them yelled something putrid like "Kill those niggers! You need to protect your women!" THEN the lynching started full force.

Of course, according to the SJWs, that woman who egged them on was probably a victim of internalized misogyny and wasn't responsible for her own actions, or something, whereas the men were all totally responsible for everything they did.

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Are the SJ crowd going to claim that the black men who were hung were 99.4% likely to be guilty of raping white women? Or will their heads explode trying to rationalise that cognitive dissonance? I have a hunch it will involve blaming males/patriarchy. Just a hunch.

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Also, were david futrelle, pz myers and michael moore all from the same clone batch?

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Dick Strawkins wrote:I saw that someone had retweeted the following on my twitter feed.
Is Paul Elam meant to be some kind of leader?
What's with this silly sub-teenage level personal crap?

It comes across as very unprofessional, and what's more, it makes it seem that this is the only thing Elam has to use against Futrelle who, lets face it, is not a difficult target to criticize (all he does is cherry pick the worst stories about MRAs he can find to mock on his site, and the same again the next day, and the next etc)
To simply criticize him for his looks allows Futrelle to claim victory ("they can't criticize what I write, so all they are left with is personal remarks about my looks")

By the way, Paul, unless the writing team of AVFM looks like this:

http://media.getmein.com/DynamicImages/ ... ndales.jpg

I'd lay off the criticism of other peoples physical appearance.
Oh, please. Paul Elam is one handsome stud:

http://desperateexes.com/wp-content/upl ... l_elam.jpg

10/10 would bang. Totally. :cdc:

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Dick Strawkins wrote:
Konrad_Cruze wrote:
Richard Dworkins wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-27714371

So this fat malicious failure gets sentenced today. Should we have a sweepstake? Will she spend less time in jail than the man she accused, will she get community service or will she serve as an example and do some serious time?

I'm going to guess stern words with added pity and probation.

But,but,but......that can't be right. False rape accusations don't exist. Why would she lie. Remember, believe the victim.

Oh, that's right. She's not a fucking victim. How can you believe the victim if you can't prove she was a fucking victim fuckwits.


Excuse me I'm off to punch a wall for 10mins.

That's better. Now. Has anyone seen any SJWs acknowledge this case or are they burying their heads and hoping it will go away.

I've only ever seen two SJWs publicly acknowledge the existence of false rape accusations. Curiously enough, they only acknowledged it in the case of a very specific subset of accusations and seemed to think every other rape accusation was almost certainly true.

http://i.imgur.com/yJHZb3H.jpg

Why they took that approach I cannot imagine.
To his credit(?), thimbledoo acknowledged the conflict there and said he would understand if people chose not to believe him, because false accusations essentially don't exist. I'm unsure how good that is, but at least he's more self-aware than PZ.

as is a slug.

a dead slug.

Remember folks, when your convictions are wrapping a rope around your own neck, time for some self-examination.

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NotEntitled wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote:
"The Surprising Truth About Women and Violence"
But this woman-as-victim bias is at odds with the feminist emphasis on equality of the sexes. If we want our culture to recognize women’s capacity for leadership and competition, it is hypocritical to deny or downplay women’s capacity for aggression and even evil. We cannot argue that biology should not keep women from being soldiers while treating women as fragile and harmless in domestic battles. Traditional stereotypes both of female weakness and female innocence have led to double standards that often cause women’s violence—especially against men—to be trivialized, excused, or even (like Solange’s assault on Jay Z) treated as humorous. Today, simplistic feminist assumptions about male power and female oppression effectively perpetuate those stereotypes. It is time to see women as fully human—which includes the dark side of humanity.
I think she touches on an important point here. If the SJWs are insistent that men and women are equal and that there is nothing inherently male or female in our mental capacities, then it follows that not only will women share good behavioral traits with men, they will also share bad behavioral traits - such as the capacity for violence.
I think so too. I read a book a while back about the history of lynchings in America. Apparently during one famous lynching, a bunch of men were standing with their weapons but seemed kind of unsure if they were actually going to go through with it, then a woman with them yelled something putrid like "Kill those niggers! You need to protect your women!" THEN the lynching started full force.

Of course, according to the SJWs, that woman who egged them on was probably a victim of internalized misogyny and wasn't responsible for her own actions, or something, whereas the men were all totally responsible for everything they did.
So they haven't heard of Madame Defarge? Welcome to the dark side, ladies, because sometimes humanity sucks. And that propaganda about being a mother so anything you do is justified? Gals, don't do that.

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One of the biggest problem that SJWs have is that they believe that if you're not part of the majority and you feel like you're being victimized you should always believe your feelings, and you are justified to react with anger and do whatever it takes to right the supposed wrong. But that's not always true.

Sometimes the majority is right. Sometimes people are petty and get offended for things that you should never consider offensive. Sometimes your feelings and your fears of being oppressed are irrational and you should dismiss them. Sometimes you're not victim, and there's no bad guy, just a misunderstanding on your side, or both sides.

Sometimes intent isn't magic, but it's all that matters, and you should acknowledge that.

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Ape+lust wrote:Is there anyone oilier than Stephanie Zvan? Her "DJ Grothe is a psychopath, but I'm not calling him one" con would make the most shameless implode with embarrassment.

Sorry if I skeeve anyone here with this one.

http://imgur.com/JKTimTR.jpg
I think you're mistaken here. the shit comes out of Zvanity, rather than going in, whatever the orifice.

Really though, this is fine example of both doublethink and newspeak. Doublethink: Can we conclude that Elliot Roger was mentally ill in some way, based on his statements and behaviour? Oh no, because "are you a psychiatrist" and "you can't diagnose people over the internet". Can we conclude that DJ Groethe has a specific severe mental illness based on the fact that he disagrees with some people? Yeah sure. You couldn't squeeze enough shit out of the average bull to describe that.

Newspeak comes in with the redefinition of the word psychopath. Disagree with a rad fem woman that makes you a misogynist as we know. Groethe declined to further involve himself, JREF - and a third party - with Elyse Anders, a publicly delusional drunk, that makes him a psychopath. I wonder if that's still Steffalump's prime piece of evidence now that La MoFo has had bell, book and candle at the hands of the Skepchicks? Otherwise she's left with mis-representing trivial bits of drunken mis-behaviour from years ago as "OMFG TAM is REAP central!"

DJ Groethe is the public face of the biggest sceptic's event in the US. To function at all, in that position, he has to have an ability to get on with people. Psychopathic personality disorder, is a rare form of mental illness characterised by an absence of empathy and aggressive and violent behaviour. However much the FC(n) might like to think so, disagreement is not aggression or violence. It's not even lack of empathy. There is not a shred of evidence that Groethe has ever been aggressive or violent to anyone.

As I've said before, Thought Free Blogs and the Skepchicks assumed that Groethe was a soft touch. He'd been receptive to their participation in TAM. They thought it was a shoo-in for them to become permanent parasites. But Groethe turned out to be made of sterner stuff. He wasn't prepared to just go along with every aspect of their agenda. He certainly wasn't going to go along with their scandal-mongering So, they stated flinging shit at him too, in an effort to get him fired. That failed, and is now starting to backfire. Groethe and JREF are distancing themselves from the SJWs.

My prediction is that TAM will be just fine. It make take a while to recover it's numbers, because there's still a recession and conference going is expensive. Also. at least some of those with the time and money to go to events like TAM are the same idle brats who fall for the SJW agenda. When Stefunny and her pals are capable of staging an event to rival TAM, then she can get smug - and the devil will wear snowshoes.

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Dick Strawkins wrote:
Karmakin wrote:The thing about false rape accusations is that I think they need to largely be tied into other issues. For example, what happened to PZ, to be fair I think is very similar to sexual harassment in and of itself. It's a form of sexual harassment. Do X or I'll do Y. And many FRA's are actually forms of domestic violence.

One of the best comments I've seen on this topic, was someone asked..well..who would make a false rape accusation? And a simple one word answer:

Abusers.

It's not unreasonable for people to be concerned about giving abusers more powerful weapons to work with.
Yes, but we all know that women can't be abusers.
Because patriarchy.
Indeed. I've been..in the mix of these things lately and one of the things that's increasingly clear is how much of a problem this is. I've been shorthanding it as the OOGD (Oppressor/Oppressed Gender Dichotomy) and to be honest I'm considering starting to spend a lot more time/energy to try and dramatically signal boost this concept. Yes, that may make me one of THOSE annoying people, but whatever.

I think she touches on an important point here. If the SJWs are insistent that men and women are equal and that there is nothing inherently male or female in our mental capacities, then it follows that not only will women share good behavioral traits with men, they will also share bad behavioral traits - such as the capacity for violence.
It's even more than that, to be honest. Positive and negative traits are often tightly linked...they're different sides of the same coin (or if you want to get more complicated, the same dice). The notion that women are innocent and pure also holds them back from positions where they may have to make what on the whole may be unethical or harmful decisions to a lot of people (like for example laying off thousands of workers).

These things are related. To flip things around on its ear, OOGD Feminism hurts women too.

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NotEntitled wrote:
I think so too. I read a book a while back about the history of lynchings in America. Apparently during one famous lynching, a bunch of men were standing with their weapons but seemed kind of unsure if they were actually going to go through with it, then a woman with them yelled something putrid like "Kill those niggers! You need to protect your women!" THEN the lynching started full force.

Of course, according to the SJWs, that woman who egged them on was probably a victim of internalized misogyny and wasn't responsible for her own actions, or something, whereas the men were all totally responsible for everything they did.
Nonsense! I don't believe that women are capable of such violence. :snooty:

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To whoever linked that Roosh V forum the other day: thank you for the entertainment. That must be the whiniest bunch of pussies outside the SJL. I clicked in 10 random different topics and it's all about "Alphas", "The Game", "Betas", "evil women", "millenials" and general calls to the waaaahmbulance. Also, for such masculine men, they surely worry too much about other men's sex lifes and appearances. Just saying.

It's hard to stomach too much of it, but occasionally clicking on a random topic to get some good laughs. It's a different kind of madness you see on Twitter, but it is unfiltered hate-porn and stupidity. Great stuff.

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Quiz wrote:Looks like Shermer tied the knot.
Hope someone kept on eye on how much wine he gave her at the reception. You just know he tried to get all rapey with her on their wedding night.

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real horrorshow wrote:DJ Groethe is the public face of the biggest sceptic's event in the US. To function at all, in that position, he has to have an ability to get on with people. Psychopathic personality disorder, is a rare form of mental illness characterised by an absence of empathy and aggressive and violent behaviour. However much the FC(n) might like to think so, disagreement is not aggression or violence. It's not even lack of empathy. There is not a shred of evidence that Groethe has ever been aggressive or violent to anyone.
Groethe, a well established gay man. They can't use their usual tactics on him, so they have to dig for any shit they can fling at him and hope it sticks.

Even if JREF were to axe Groethe, his successor would have to roll over, belly up and do anything and everything they say or else they would still try to smear him or her with whatever they can.

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welch wrote:
To his credit(?), thimbledoo acknowledged the conflict there and said he would understand if people chose not to believe him, because false accusations essentially don't exist. I'm unsure how good that is, but at least he's more self-aware than PZ.

as is a slug.

a dead slug.

Remember folks, when your convictions are wrapping a rope around your own neck, time for some self-examination.
Now, now, you know it is OK when they rape.

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Linus wrote:What I learned from the email leaks:

-PZ and co. are assholes who aren't interested in evidence that contradicts their conclusions
-Avicenna is awkward as fuck
-Pitchguest has tried to comment on every FTB blog under the sun
-Group think

In other words I didn't learn anything I didn't know already.
Thimbledick's call to 'take down all the top men' in A/S could be construed as malicious intent, were one of the 'top men's' lawyers ever to go after him.

Otherwise, yeah -- the Backchannelers think & say nasty things about their opponents, just like they scold the Pit for doing. Except the Backchannelers are completely devoid of humor.

Oh, and Stephanie Svan is a dumb bitch.

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Ape+lust wrote:Is there anyone oilier than Stephanie Zvan? Her "DJ Grothe is a psychopath, but I'm not calling him one" con would make the most shameless implode with embarrassment.

Sorry if I skeeve anyone here with this one.

http://imgur.com/JKTimTR.jpg
LMFAO - that is fucking excellent. The usual crowd will blow a gasket over that one.

Worth a tweet out, I reckon.

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Okay, a retweet then, cos Mykeru ninja'd me.

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Quiz wrote:Looks like Shermer tied the knot.
Well Ofie, you've only yourself to blame by playing the hard-to-get card.

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real horrorshow wrote:Eucliwoo? I didn't engage the first time. I didn't engage the second time.... Hey, you don't think it was Avicenna all the time do you?
Couldn't be Peezus, amirite? Cuz, like, how many teenage girl headkins can one 57 yo, sexually repressed, pervert into hentai have?

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Dick Strawkins wrote:Ophelia poses the following extended question on her latest post:
Here’s an epistemological puzzle. What’s the right way to be a skeptic when it comes to thinking about a possible psychopath? I don’t mean a serial murderer or anything, but a more everyday kind of psychopath – you know, no conscience, compulsive lying, good at manipulation, persuasive, charming, successful.

You know a number of people who suspect that X is a psychopath of that type. You too know X and have always found X charming and persuasive.

What’s the skeptic thing to do? To doubt the people you know? Or to doubt your own sense of X? As a good skeptic, you know that people can be charming and persuasive and still be psychopaths, but you also know that not all charming and persuasive people are psychopaths, in fact most are not. As a good skeptic, you know that people can be wrong about other people, but you also know that that applies to you as well as to other people.
Let's see if it is such a big problem for a skeptic to solve.
For me, the first thing I'd do is define the word 'psychopath'

According to the Merriam Webster dictionary:
psy·cho·path
noun \ˈsī-kə-ˌpath\

: a person who is mentally ill, who does not care about other people, and who is usually dangerous or violent
The DSM V links it to anti-social personality disorder.
In both cases we are dealing with violent or potentially violent individuals who have difficulties forming long term stable and caring relationships.

I would now say that we have a set of criteria upon which to base our judgement of the rumoured psychopath.

So what to we do, do we, as Ophelia asked, trust our friends judgement, or go by our own hunches?

I suggest neither.

I think we need to evaluate the evidence we have available. If our trusted friends can provide evidence of anti social violent behavior then this will help us make up our mind. We should never, however, simply go with their judgement without examining the evidence for ourselves.
For example our trusted friends may have a definition of psychopath that doesn't fit the definitions I mentioned above.
If our trusted friend, (lets, for a second, call her Stephanie), confuses 'psychopath' with 'someone who thinks I'm an ignorant dishonest asshole' then we would be mistaken to accept their verdict.

Skepticism is easy - claims require evidence in order to be accepted.
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deLurch wrote:
real horrorshow wrote:DJ Groethe is the public face of the biggest sceptic's event in the US. To function at all, in that position, he has to have an ability to get on with people. Psychopathic personality disorder, is a rare form of mental illness characterised by an absence of empathy and aggressive and violent behaviour. However much the FC(n) might like to think so, disagreement is not aggression or violence. It's not even lack of empathy. There is not a shred of evidence that Groethe has ever been aggressive or violent to anyone.
Groethe, a well established gay man. They can't use their usual tactics on him, so they have to dig for any shit they can fling at him and hope it sticks.

Even if JREF were to axe Groethe, his successor would have to roll over, belly up and do anything and everything they say or else they would still try to smear him or her with whatever they can.
The tactic against Grothe has been particularly reprehensible.
On the surface the online accusations made against him - that he threatened to have Sasha Pixlee drugged and gang raped - which is how Pixlee interpreted Grothe's joke at a party that Pixlee looked like a 'bear' (a fat hairy homosexual man), and Svan's lengthy diagnosis of him as a psychopath - seem completely ludicrous.
Why would people bother to make such allegations when Grothe has been an established part of the skeptic scene in the US for a decade with no sign of these attributes being apparent to anyone but his current enemies. Nobody who knows him would take such silly accusations seriously.

But the accusations are not meant for skeptics who know Grothe.
They are designed to smear him in the minds of others in a way that is stomach-curningly insidious. Grothe and his husband Thomas Donnelly are currently in the process of adopting a child, and as such are particularly sensitive to internet accusations - for example him being a psychopath, or threatening to gang rape someone - that may lead the adoption board turning down their application.

Elyse mentioned this as an aside in one of her whining posts on skepchick towards the end of last year.
http://skepchick.org/2013/09/dj-grothe- ... nst-wtinc/

The idea of targeting someone through their children is so far beyond the pale of what I consider reasonable behavior that I'm almost at a loss for words in how disgusted I feel about the behavior of Svan and company.

Ask yourself what someone would have to do to you that would make it reasonable to cause them to lose their children, or the chance of a family.

I find it hard to think of anything other than if I thought they were a danger to their children.

I think they are particularly sensitive over Grothe because they realize how close they were to having one of their own in charge of JREF at the onset of the schism.
Phil Plait was the head of JREF until 2009 and he is still very much under the thumb of the Skepchick/FTB contingent. If he were still in charge then they would have had both CFI and JREF dancing to their tune (or, more accurately, subsidising their parties) and be in a far more powerful position than they find themselves in today.
It's kind of ironic about Plait because there's plenty of photos online of him behaving in ways that make Bora Zivkovits look like an altar boy (and Plait like Bishop Brennan) and yet he's never got the slightest pushback from the SJL.

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