Periodic Table of Swearing

[AnonymousCowherd]

ikonografer (@ikonografer) says:
October 11, 2012 at 4:51 am
ask yourself if you’d say the same thing about blacks or hispanics.

Stacy says:
October 11, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Men are not in the same position in society as blacks and hispanics.

(Ask yourself if you’d be all pissy about a similar thought experiment from the point of view of a black man dealing with whites.)

...cause blacks and hispanics are not "men".

:lol:

Subsets. How do they work?

[Tigzy]

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p60 ... f8bcc3.png

Poor old 'Bob' Dobbs. Oolon is about as pink as you can get!

[Sulaco]

Stefunny's joined Peezus and O for a 'Total Recall' remake! :D

http://i.imgur.com/4n9Cq.jpg

I thought Divine died decades ago? Who knew that he was still alive and blogging.

[Dick Strawkins]

http://i.imgur.com/d4hhU.jpg?1

[Mykeru]

'I tried to post something on Skepchick/Pharyngula for the first time - just a quick question asking for some evidence about the claim being asserted, but my post never when up and now I realize I've now been banned. However there is another post, which by the time stamps shows that it was made after my attempted post, that does show up and yet this post is purely nasty insults thrown at Rebecca/PZ.
Why would they reject my post but allow this trolls insults?"

I regard this type of manipulation to be absolutely dishonest. You either ban every post that is not on message or you select the polite ones that disagree with you - that, at least, would show some degree on integrity. Only allowing trolling insults is done with the intent to show that the only people who disagree with you are malicious.
It is completely dishonest and tantamount to lying.

Ideologues need enemies. It's that "circling the wagons" that gives them a sense of cohesion. However, why have articulate enemies that point out your bullshit? It's the same reason televangelists are under attack by "the gay agenda" (whatever that is), because it gets Ma and Pa Dumbfuck off the recliner and writing checks.

To that extent, the A+ focus on invented boogeymen based on The Slyme Pit and A Voice for Men, as well as Rebecca's "poor me" speaking gigs, is the rhetorical equivalent of the old National Lampoon "Buy this magazine or we'll shoot this dog" cover.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

I think that forum of hate is this place right here.

Well, it's been demonstrated (not) that all Pitters, including women, hate women, so there's that (not, again).

I wish these shmuks would provide evidence for their claims. It's a bit like wishing the Moon was made of cheese, though...

From what My posted I assumed she doesn't think we hate all women, but that this forum is completely dedicated to RW. And hating HER, specifically. I'm pretty sure we shit on lots of people, she shouldn't really feel that special.

Speaking of which...

This is a new great post about Jen's weird approach to the homeless that kind of covers the sort of natural wtf reaction people have had to it.

http://musingsbysoggymog.blogspot.co.uk ... y-its.html

I don't hate RW.

I just think she isn't qualified or has shown the ability, to do anything more difficult than appear as a comedy sidekick (as she did on the SGU).
When she appears all over the place giving keynote speeches my disgust is not with her, but with the sort of idiots that go along with this, promoting here abover her ability and keeping quiet when things are clearly not working.
Having the likes of RW, Jen and Stefunny giving 'expert' talks is a problem for the simple reason that there are people with real knowledge, ability and talent (many of them women) who are being denied the chance to take the stage because of the monopoly of speaking places by PZ and his close friends.

I totally agree with these sentiments. I hope it doesn't make the Pit look like an echo chamber.

RW is way bellow my radar range. I don't follow her tweets, I don't read her blog, and I don't watch her videos. I only hear of her through occasional stuff posted here or a random comment on other sites/forums/blogs. Maybe I should pay more attention to the event organizers who invite her for speaches.

Mykeru: If any evidence of actual, real life threats headed at Watson is ever provided, I'll give her my support and encourage her to contact whatever local authority has juridiction over these types of cases. Still waiting, as of now...

[AnonymousCowherd]

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p60 ... f8bcc3.png

"no research needed" = promotion and tenure decision at certain universities

Yes colon, I believe PZ needs no research for most of his thoughts. I hear he thinks you're the last segment in The Human Centipede. But that's probably just something that's been passed along by others.

[decius]

I don't know if the people duped by Rebecca Watson are therefore victims of Watson herself, or just so fucking stupid that they deserve to be taken in.

As with Peezus's minions, there's a strong element of herd mentality. They follow the leader without much questioning claims or independently checking the veracity thereof. Often there's no malice or stupidity involved, just inertia and misplaced trust. Eventually more and more people - who are self-described skeptics after all - will do their legwork and come to realise they've been deceived. This is already occurring, as testified by the constant stream of new members and by the dwindling ranks of Peezus & co.
A bloc of true-believers and ideologues impervious to evidence and reason does exist, however.

[masakari2012]

'I tried to post something on Skepchick/Pharyngula for the first time - just a quick question asking for some evidence about the claim being asserted, but my post never when up and now I realize I've now been banned. However there is another post, which by the time stamps shows that it was made after my attempted post, that does show up and yet this post is purely nasty insults thrown at Rebecca/PZ.
Why would they reject my post but allow this trolls insults?"

I regard this type of manipulation to be absolutely dishonest. You either ban every post that is not on message or you select the polite ones that disagree with you - that, at least, would show some degree on integrity. Only allowing trolling insults is done with the intent to show that the only people who disagree with you are malicious.
It is completely dishonest and tantamount to lying.

That's one of the signs that they're a cult. They restrict information and facts.

[Tigzy]

I see that our newest member is apparently one 'Al Stefanelli'.

Couldn't be...could it? :think:

[Sulaco]

Isn't that what Fundie Christians say? If you don't accept Jesus you will never be worthy no matter how many good deeds you do. At least Christianity offered a way to salvation. What the FfTB people preach is more like the Aztec religion (we were created from stolen god's blood and we can never redeem ourselves but we must make sacrifices because humans are nothing more than dirty thieves). Amazing how many tenets of fundamentalism they have adopted, not just Christian, but any religion or authoritarian secular ideologies.

Only if you weren't a Calvanist. We are all sinners, no good works can redeem us only Gawd's Grace, and the elect were chosen before you or anyone you know was even born and if you aren't one of them, you're fucked. In theory, you can't even know if you're one of the elect, but in practice some people have an awfully strong feeling about it. Certainly makes "good works" for the proles a hard sell though.

Not sure what Grace made of the whole thing either.

I forgot about good ol' Calvinism. Geez, under that sect might as well just have a beer and do what you want.

[Dick Strawkins]

I see that our newest member is apparently one 'Al Stefanelli'.

Couldn't be...could it? :think:

Don't post anything Al!
In fact it's best if you don't even read!
The slymepit is so evil that simply visiting here is enough to ruin any mortal man! :twisted:

[welch]

Oolon may not be posting anymore, but he sure is a lurky little fuck.
Wonder if he gets extra tea bags from PZ?

[oolon, slimy turd]

Poor old 'Bob' Dobbs. Oolon is about as pink as you can get!

Ha! I paid my dues so come X-day I'll be there on the intergalactic pleasure ships telling you not to say cunt in my presence!

Anyway I thought you lot would be proud of my heroic sticking up for you... I did say that equating the SammyBoals person to a generic slimepitter could be seen as insulting to you lot.

MKG didn't like it that I also said Renee is 'sticking up for...' the SammyBoals troll by saying it is not a slimepitter. Given the audience how else would I phrase it? From PZ's etc point of view that is definitely 'sticking up for it'... Takes a little bit of mental gymnastics but I'm sure you can see my point :-)

[oolon, slimy turd]

Oolon may not be posting anymore, but he sure is a lurky little fuck.
Wonder if he gets extra tea bags from PZ?

Hehe fuck you

[AnonymousCowherd]

I forgot about good ol' Calvinism. Geez, under that sect might as well just have a beer and do what you want.

You'd think so, wouldn't you? But that would be sensible or, as the pros call it "Dawkins level theology". Several thousand pages of twisted logic have subsequently been written to convince you to lead a miserable fekkin' life - just - because.

See? Subtlety. Get your mind right, Luke. Then you can criticise, apparently.

[AnonymousCowherd]

Oolon

Who?

[Tigzy]

Poor old 'Bob' Dobbs. Oolon is about as pink as you can get!

Ha! I paid my dues so come X-day I'll be there on the intergalactic pleasure ships telling you not to say cunt in my presence!

:lol: That's probably one of the pinkest statements I've ever heard. The only dues you've paid are to the Bozo cult.

[Keating]

PZ doesn't like you any more Oolon:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... hat-again/

Doesn't like Scented Nectar's 'hypersceptisim' either.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Poor old 'Bob' Dobbs. Oolon is about as pink as you can get!

Ha! I paid my dues so come X-day I'll be there on the intergalactic pleasure ships telling you not to say cunt in my presence!

Anyway I thought you lot would be proud of my heroic sticking up for you... I did say that equating the SammyBoals person to a generic slimepitter could be seen as insulting to you lot.

MKG didn't like it that I also said Renee is 'sticking up for...' the SammyBoals troll by saying it is not a slimepitter. Given the audience how else would I phrase it? From PZ's etc point of view that is definitely 'sticking up for it'... Takes a little bit of mental gymnastics but I'm sure you can see my point :-)

I don't really like the "you lot" you use all the time here. There's no "us lot". For exemple, some think you're a tedious troll who needs being ignored, while others engage with you (some in a polite maner, so in a bit more rude fashion).

Now, as for the underlined section: there are probably hundreds of ways to phrase it that won't imply Renée is supporting the stupid fuck. As you may have noticed, Renée is a fairly recent addition to the Pit. Her saying Boals is not a Pitter is not sticking up for it, it's distancing the Pit from whatever that tedious troll posts. Because, until proven otherwise, Boals is not a Pitter.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Just for oolon: Jesus fuck, but I’m fed up with your pose of supposed objective neutrality everywhere I see you. Don’t comment on this thread, unless you want to discover that that fence you’re so happily straddling is electrified razor wire, because I’ll give you a yank so hard you’ll find yourself occupying two cells in the dungeon.

Oh yep, that one must hurt. Almost sounds like a threat of physical violence too (hyperbole, people, hyperbole). Oolon, if you get the kick, you have a home here. Not everyone will pay attention to you, but some will.

Cheers mate!

[Scented Nectar]

MKG didn't like it that I also said Renee is 'sticking up for...' the SammyBoals troll by saying it is not a slimepitter. Given the audience how else would I phrase it? From PZ's etc point of view that is definitely 'sticking up for it'... Takes a little bit of mental gymnastics but I'm sure you can see my point :-)

That's not sticking up for it, that's repudiating it as not one of us. The fucking opposite of what you said. Why the fuck are you so stupid? And by you, I mean it in the plural if PZ has bought your twisted revision of what happened. You don't get to lie and then call it "mental gymnastics", fool-on.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Forgot attribution.

PZ Myers.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-470078

[Tigzy]

PZ doesn't like you any more Oolon:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... hat-again/

Doesn't like Scented Nectar's 'hypersceptisim' either.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-470078

PZ Myers
12 October 2012 at 7:58 am

Just for oolon: Jesus fuck, but I’m fed up with your pose of supposed objective neutrality everywhere I see you. Don’t comment on this thread, unless you want to discover that that fence you’re so happily straddling is electrified razor wire, because I’ll give you a yank so hard you’ll find yourself occupying two cells in the dungeon.

Okay, I take it back about you being a pink, Oolon, given that the Bozo cult have put you on notice.

Welcome to the Slymepit, old chap!

[oolon, slimy turd]

I don't really like the "you lot" you use all the time here. There's no "us lot". For exemple, some think you're a tedious troll who needs being ignored, while others engage with you (some in a polite maner, so in a bit more rude fashion).

Help please, what is the slime-approved nomenclature for referring to the slimepit and its denizens in totality?

[oolon, slimy turd]

After their harassment of Vacula succeeded, it has been a pretty good couple of days payback.

Not sure aiming for 'payback' is particularly admirable Tuvok, ultimately it was Justins decision to step down and I think on here he specifically asked for no 'payback'. Comments like this probably lead to the paranoia expressed by some people in FtBs about the slimepits 'campaign of hate'?

BTW SammyCoals tweeted 'she' was female so I took the easy route in gendering rather than being too sceptical on its truthfulness... So you need to look harder if you want to peg me as a sexist dinosaur. Here is a real one for your pleasure...
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/imag ... ZD2JKy_39F

[decius]

As I tried to point out a few times already, the tabloid-like gossip and the high-school-level pseudo-satire focussing on physical defects greatly degrade the quality of the output of these boards. It also provides opportunistic ideologues Peezus with an endless supply of free ammo and with arguments very difficult to refute.

Good job, numbskulls.

Peezus:

Ahh, but the best part: the haters were all fired up because the video of Rebecca Watson speaking at HFA has just been released…and their response was to post photos of obese women in degrading situations. Over and over. Amplified and made worse because everyone quotes the original ‘witty’ photo, so you end up with a whole page of fat woman photos, with people tittering over them and speculating whether it’s a drunk Rebecca Watson or Stephanie Zvan, and somehow they start whining about Natalie Reed and Ophelia Watson. The whole impression is of a bargain-basement 4chan where all of their childish ire is aimed at women on freethoughtblogs.

[real horrorshow]

I forgot about good ol' Calvinism. Geez, under that sect might as well just have a beer and do what you want.

You'd think so, wouldn't you? But that would be sensible or, as the pros call it "Dawkins level theology". Several thousand pages of twisted logic have subsequently been written to convince you to lead a miserable fekkin' life - just - because.

See? Subtlety. Get your mind right, Luke. Then you can criticise, apparently.

I think you may be looking at it backwards. See, if you're already a miserable bastard, what would be the type of religious belief most likely to appeal to you? One that says "go right on being a miserable bastard". In the words of the late great John Laurie: "We're aw doomed!"

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

I don't really like the "you lot" you use all the time here. There's no "us lot". For exemple, some think you're a tedious troll who needs being ignored, while others engage with you (some in a polite maner, so in a bit more rude fashion).

Help please, what is the slime-approved nomenclature for referring to the slimepit and its denizens in totality?

Pitters, Slymers, Slymepitters, [insert name of commenter here]. "You lot" just doesn't cut it, at least for me. Might be cultural...

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

As I tried to point out a few times already, the tabloid-like gossip and the high-school-level pseudo-satire focussing on physical defects greatly degrade the quality of the output of these boards. It also provides opportunistic ideologues Peezus with an endless supply of free ammo and with arguments very difficult to refute.

Good job, numbskulls.

On this, I agree 100%. (what's with me agreeing with everyone today? Wasn't it a couple days ago I was pissed off at everyone? Mood swings, I guess)

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

I don't really like the "you lot" you use all the time here. There's no "us lot". For exemple, some think you're a tedious troll who needs being ignored, while others engage with you (some in a polite maner, so in a bit more rude fashion).

Help please, what is the slime-approved nomenclature for referring to the slimepit and its denizens in totality?

Pitters, Slymers, Slymepitters, [insert name of commenter here]. "You lot" just doesn't cut it, at least for me. Might be cultural...

Ok, I dived right into it, didn't I? There is no "slime-approved" anything. You can call us whatever you want. Just don't espect everyone to like it. Don't expect to be censored or banned for doing so, though.

[Dick Strawkins]

Looks like PZ's linking to us means we have an influx of guests.
Feel free to comment please!
We don't hate women - many of us are women (and not just on weekends)!
Only a few of the regulars are MRAs and those that are tend to keep away from that topic because the rest of us get bored.

Misogyny?
Yes it's not a thing to be encouraged and woman hating is a definite no-no on this site.
Those that make rape threats or threats of violence have never been tolerated here.
We do, however, have some disagreements over what constitutes misogyny.
Some say using certain words (bitch, cunt etc) means a person is misogynistic.
Others disagree.

Can posting certain images be misogynistic?
Certainly.

Try this one and then try to figure out which feminist hero posted it...
http://i.imgur.com/TqUdr.jpg

[Tigzy]

Ahh, but the best part: the haters were all fired up because the video of Rebecca Watson speaking at HFA has just been released…and their response was to post photos of obese women in degrading situations. Over and over. Amplified and made worse because everyone quotes the original ‘witty’ photo, so you end up with a whole page of fat woman photos, with people tittering over them and speculating whether it’s a drunk Rebecca Watson or Stephanie Zvan, and somehow they start whining about Natalie Reed and Ophelia Watson. The whole impression is of a bargain-basement 4chan where all of their childish ire is aimed at women on freethoughtblogs.

Well, PZ is quite wrong on this: 'The whole impression is of a bargain-basement 4chan where all of their childish ire is aimed at women on freethoughtblogs.'

As far as I can see, our childish ire is aimed at the men, too. Though if PZ subscribes to Laden's theory that men are just women with testosterone damaged brains, I guess he might have a point.

Also, isn't 'fat women' fatist? Someone call SGBM, quick...

I find the idea of PZ getting annoyed at a page of fat women photos really funny, for some reason...

[Keating]

As I tried to point out a few times already, the tabloid-like gossip and the high-school-level pseudo-satire focussing on physical defects greatly degrade the quality of the output of these boards. It also provides opportunistic ideologues Peezus with an endless supply of free ammo and with arguments very difficult to refute.

I'm with you here. I found those particular posts cheap humour, and ultimately very petty. As I said before, the pettiness that is often on display here is the only thing preventing me from registering instead of just lurking. That said, PZ's argument is like being flogged with warm lettuce. I suppose it means that all Pharyngula commentators often think about 'snapping necks', that all Australians are racist arseholes, and what ever the colourful commentary of the day is, now that 'porcupines' and 'dying in a fire' are off the table.. What a conga line of suck holes.

[Scented Nectar]

PZ doesn't like you any more Oolon:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... hat-again/

Doesn't like Scented Nectar's 'hypersceptisim' either.

I still say it was a sock. And didn't I say on twitter that it was so that they could pull a couple of blogposts out of it? PZ went first. :)

[Guest]

Comments like this probably lead to the paranoia expressed by some people in FtBs about the slimepits 'campaign of hate'?

Why do you keep getting hung up on this? Have you still not figured it out? Slymepit is to FtB what Comintern was in the imagination of Joseph McCarthy. There's no relationship between the bizarre paranoia on FtB and the actual Slymepit. A-plussers find pitters hiding in every corner much in the same way that John Birchers suddenly discover that their co-worker and neighbor of thirty years is a "secret Communist." PZ or anyone else denouncing some random critic (or more frequently denouncing someone noob whose crime was asking a question) as a slymepitter is almost as meaningful as Robert Welch denouncing Eisenhower as a communist. It's just paranoia. There's no rational basis to it.

[Lsuoma]

As I tried to point out a few times already, the tabloid-like gossip and the high-school-level pseudo-satire focussing on physical defects greatly degrade the quality of the output of these boards. It also provides opportunistic ideologues Peezus with an endless supply of free ammo and with arguments very difficult to refute.

I'm with you here. I found those particular posts cheap humour, and ultimately very petty. As I said before, the pettiness that is often on display here is the only thing preventing me from registering instead of just lurking. That said, PZ's argument is like being flogged with warm lettuce. I suppose it means that all Pharyngula commentators often think about 'snapping necks', that all Australians are racist arseholes, and what ever the colourful commentary of the day is, now that 'porcupines' and 'dying in a fire' are off the table.. What a conga line of suck holes.

I don't particularly like it either, but early discussions showed that it's mgmt censorship or no mgmt censorship: some mgmt censorship wasn't an option, so it's none.

It doesn't matter anyway - the Beardy bastard would still be getting his arsehole torqued because we won't take what he says as gospel, and suck on the wet end of his tiny little pismire...

[LMU]

I don't really like the "you lot" you use all the time here. There's no "us lot". For exemple, some think you're a tedious troll who needs being ignored, while others engage with you (some in a polite maner, so in a bit more rude fashion).

Help please, what is the slime-approved nomenclature for referring to the slimepit and its denizens in totality?

Pitters, Slymers, Slymepitters, [insert name of commenter here]. "You lot" just doesn't cut it, at least for me. Might be cultural...

Ah I thought you were objecting to "you lot" on the grounds that oolon is now forever tainted with slime and should be saying "us lot" or similar.

[Dick Strawkins]

As I tried to point out a few times already, the tabloid-like gossip and the high-school-level pseudo-satire focussing on physical defects greatly degrade the quality of the output of these boards. It also provides opportunistic ideologues Peezus with an endless supply of free ammo and with arguments very difficult to refute.

I'm with you here. I found those particular posts cheap humour, and ultimately very petty. As I said before, the pettiness that is often on display here is the only thing preventing me from registering instead of just lurking. That said, PZ's argument is like being flogged with warm lettuce. I suppose it means that all Pharyngula commentators often think about 'snapping necks', that all Australians are racist arseholes, and what ever the colourful commentary of the day is, now that 'porcupines' and 'dying in a fire' are off the table.. What a conga line of suck holes.

I don't particularly like it either, but early discussions showed that it's mgmt censorship or no mgmt censorship: some mgmt censorship wasn't an option, so it's none.

It doesn't matter anyway - the Beardy bastard would still be getting his arsehole torqued because we won't take what he says as gospel, and suck on the wet end of his tiny little pismire...

I agree. I hate jokes based on appearance (apart from the appearance of Greg Laden)
Still, it doesn't take much for PZ to load up his outrage blunderbuss and fire in our direction.

Even they think it is entirely possible that this was a pseudonym for one of their long term Watson/Myers haters.

Peezus Christ.

It's possible in the sense that it's possible that it is anybody. It could be Mrs Trophy wife getting jealous of the time her husband has been spending with a certain blue haired skepchick. It's almost certainly not but it's possible.

There has been no history of anybody on this forum making those kind of threats and many instances of people here condemning them.

Where was PZs concern for condemning violent threats against Justin Griffiths made by his friend Laden? :think:

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

I don't really like the "you lot" you use all the time here. There's no "us lot". For exemple, some think you're a tedious troll who needs being ignored, while others engage with you (some in a polite maner, so in a bit more rude fashion).

Help please, what is the slime-approved nomenclature for referring to the slimepit and its denizens in totality?

Pitters, Slymers, Slymepitters, [insert name of commenter here]. "You lot" just doesn't cut it, at least for me. Might be cultural...

Ah I thought you were objecting to "you lot" on the grounds that oolon is now forever tainted with slime and should be saying "us lot" or similar.

A very good point. Oolon, welcome in the big Slime family!

[Za-zen]

What the fftbers don't understand, is that everyone of is here, bar frank, and possibly Abbie, are POE's. we are not part of any inherent reality, and are actually playing the roles of misogynistic hate fappers.

well all, except for maybe Oolon, but since he is the forum token jewish robot gayfish, he doesn't count.

[Keating]

I don't particularly like it either, but early discussions showed that it's mgmt censorship or no mgmt censorship: some mgmt censorship wasn't an option, so it's none.

Don't get me wrong, I prefer no censorship too. I agree it's an important part of the way this place functions. The hardest part of fighting for 'free speech' is that it means you have to defend speech that is truly awful. I really don't like the idea of policing what people think. For the most part, what people write or draw should also be unpolicied, especially if it isn't intended for a public audience. For example, a politician who writes about their enjoyment of coprophilia in a private diary absolutely should not have that used against them should it be released without their consent.

I suppose I'm more disappointed that occasionally the discussion here doesn't always soar above the level of Greg Laden. If it was once a week, that'd be one thing, but it happens often enough that, despite the majority, it can often feel petty rather than great.

[Tigzy]

As I tried to point out a few times already, the tabloid-like gossip and the high-school-level pseudo-satire focussing on physical defects greatly degrade the quality of the output of these boards. It also provides opportunistic ideologues Peezus with an endless supply of free ammo and with arguments very difficult to refute.

Good job, numbskulls.

Do you honestly think that if these boards were bastions of good taste - but still in opposition to the FfTB/Skepchick/A+ axis - that PZ et al wouldn't get mileage out of exaggerating the tinest nuances of any number of otherwise innocent Slymepit posts, or even just make up a load of old shit to use for ammo anyway? Hell, he's not shy of referring to the Pit as a mysoginist, woman-hating place anyway - even though it clearly isn't - so as far as PZ is concerned, this place is irredeemable no matter whether there are picture of fat women to get cross at or not.

Also, a good number of people - myself included - who are against the FfTB/Skepchick/A+ axis see humour and mockery as a viable way to undercut their self-righteousness and po-faced snootiness. After all, any ideology so sound would be capable of withstanding such mockery quite easily. The problem is, however, is that in an atmosphere of freedom, there will be missteps when it comes to the humor and mockery - and shit, I know I've made a few of them myself. But overall, I reckon it's far more desirable to have such a free atmosphere rather than an alternative where one has to cautiously tread on eggshells all the time for fear of offending the starchy parsons of a board. The odd misstep in humour hurts no-one other the the person making the bad joke. It's not a big deal.

[Dick Strawkins]

They don't realize that all the really juicy misogyny isn't here on the main thread but is kept for the secret slymepit backchannel (which, of course, is spelt "slimepit" - damn them for figuring that out! :x )

In fact it's just like FTB - all the real stuff goes on behind the scenes!

[decius]

don't particularly like it either, but early discussions showed that it's mgmt censorship or no mgmt censorship: some mgmt censorship wasn't an option, so it's none.

It doesn't matter anyway - the Beardy bastard would still be getting his arsehole torqued because we won't take what he says as gospel, and suck on the wet end of his tiny little pismire...

No censorship of course. All it takes is a little self-restraint and some discernment over the choice of weaponry.

Virtually every second of Watson's 'keynote speech' provides material for intelligent LULZ and/or for considered rebuttal within range of everyone's skeptical toolbox. What's the fucking point in making visual non-sequiturs and scouring the internet for repulsive material instead?

[real horrorshow]

I should research the place before making such accusations (never mind that I’ve had past experience with it, that I see its denizens commenting all over FtB,

Though not on Pharyngula eh zedapee? Because of pre-emptive banning, the hallmark of a truly sceptical mind!

and that it’s fucking called the fucking Slymepit).

Ever fucking heard of fucking irony?
(Why does peezus persist with phrasing his points like an especially sulky adolescent? Does he think it makes him seem 'down with the kids' like a Trendy Vicar?)

What this person – https://twitter.com/SammyBoal – is doing is quite another, fucking repugnant, and I hope he/she/it isn’t hanging around here on The Slyme Pit. If he/she/it is, please speak up so I can ignore your vile crap now.

That’s a good start, but when your regulars think a person like @SammyBoal could be a likely hanger-on, you’ve got a problem.

So, if no-one says SammyBoal is not a Pitter, assume she is one.
If someone does say they hope SB is not a Pitter, they're admitting she might be, so again, assume she is one.
We call this having it both ways.

I think it’s a sock to make her disagreers look extra bullying, rapey, and stuff

Right. So for years and years, Rebecca Watson’s bestest friends have been cobbling up sock puppet accounts to send her hate mail.

No, not right. Just because someone says that this person, who pops up with a set of particularly inane insults at a time most convenient for Watson, may be a sock. It does not follow that they are saying everyone who has ever had a pop at Watson is a sock. This is basic logic PeeZed, but I know you're not good at that.

[LMU]

I thought we didn't need a back channel because we were all secretly sock puppets of franc?

[decius]

Do you honestly think that if these boards were bastions of good taste - but still in opposition to the FfTB/Skepchick/A+ axis - that PZ et al wouldn't get mileage out of exaggerating the tinest nuances of any number of otherwise innocent Slymepit posts, or even just make up a load of old shit to use for ammo anyway? Hell, he's not shy of referring to the Pit as a mysoginist, woman-hating place anyway - even though it clearly isn't - so as far as PZ is concerned, this place is irredeemable no matter whether there are picture of fat women to get cross at or not.

Also, a good number of people - myself included - who are against the FfTB/Skepchick/A+ axis see humour and mockery as a viable way to undercut their self-righteousness and po-faced snootiness. After all, any ideology so sound would be capable of withstanding such mockery quite easily. The problem is, however, is that in an atmosphere of freedom, there will be missteps when it comes to the humor and mockery - and shit, I know I've made a few of them myself. But overall, I reckon it's far more desirable to have such a free atmosphere rather than an alternative where one has to cautiously tread on eggshells all the time for fear of offending the starchy parsons of a board. The odd misstep in humour hurts no-one other the the person making the bad joke. It's not a big deal.

I don't doubt for a second that Peezus and his acolyte will try to spin everything we post. Right now, though, we are supplying them with ready material for free. This is also preventing lots of smart people from joining us.

And that is a huge strategic failure, no matter how one looks at it.

[Dick Strawkins]

I should research the place before making such accusations (never mind that I’ve had past experience with it, that I see its denizens commenting all over FtB,

Though not on Pharyngula eh zedapee? Because of pre-emptive banning, the hallmark of a truly sceptical mind!

and that it’s fucking called the fucking Slymepit).

Ever fucking heard of fucking irony?
(Why does peezus persist with phrasing his points like an especially sulky adolescent? Does he think it makes him seem 'down with the kids' like a Trendy Vicar?)

What this person – https://twitter.com/SammyBoal – is doing is quite another, fucking repugnant, and I hope he/she/it isn’t hanging around here on The Slyme Pit. If he/she/it is, please speak up so I can ignore your vile crap now.

That’s a good start, but when your regulars think a person like @SammyBoal could be a likely hanger-on, you’ve got a problem.

So, if no-one says SammyBoal is not a Pitter, assume she is one.
If someone does say they hope SB is not a Pitter, they're admitting she might be, so again, assume she is one.
We call this having it both ways.

I think it’s a sock to make her disagreers look extra bullying, rapey, and stuff

Right. So for years and years, Rebecca Watson’s bestest friends have been cobbling up sock puppet accounts to send her hate mail.

No, not right. Just because someone says that this person, who pops up with a set of particularly inane insults at a time most convenient for Watson, may be a sock. It does not follow that they are saying everyone who has ever had a pop at Watson is a sock. This is basic logic PeeZed, but I know you're not good at that.

The heads I win, tails you lose logic was very apparent in PZs post.
I guess he's counting on the fact that most real skeptics have seen through his schtick months ago (if not years ago) and the 'skeptics' he has remaining are of the 'skepchick' variety - it's a club name rather than a way of thinking about problems.

Hey pharyngulites - sammyboals is really 'Schrödingers pharungula sock'!

Is he? or she?

I don't know but I do know that it is better to have at least a shred of evidence before you start throwing accusations around the way PZ does.

[Couch]

I forgot about good ol' Calvinism. Geez, under that sect might as well just have a beer and do what you want.

You'd think so, wouldn't you? But that would be sensible or, as the pros call it "Dawkins level theology". Several thousand pages of twisted logic have subsequently been written to convince you to lead a miserable fekkin' life - just - because.

See? Subtlety. Get your mind right, Luke. Then you can criticise, apparently.

I think you may be looking at it backwards. See, if you're already a miserable bastard, what would be the type of religious belief most likely to appeal to you? One that says "go right on being a miserable bastard". In the words of the late great John Laurie: "We're aw doomed!"

Or in the words - most forlorn - of the terribly late, but not particularly great, Hanrahan: "We'll all be rooned."

http://users.tpg.com.au/dandsc/job/job01.htm

[decius]

I suppose I'm more disappointed that occasionally the discussion here doesn't always soar above the level of Greg Laden. If it was once a week, that'd be one thing, but it happens often enough that, despite the majority, it can often feel petty rather than great.

Ditto.

[welch]

Oolon may not be posting anymore, but he sure is a lurky little fuck.
Wonder if he gets extra tea bags from PZ?

Hehe fuck you

Hey, don't yell at me because PeeZus doesn't groom. You wanted to fellate the old fat bastard, you get the nose-tickler pubes.

[welch]

Just for oolon: Jesus fuck, but I’m fed up with your pose of supposed objective neutrality everywhere I see you. Don’t comment on this thread, unless you want to discover that that fence you’re so happily straddling is electrified razor wire, because I’ll give you a yank so hard you’ll find yourself occupying two cells in the dungeon.

Oh yep, that one must hurt. Almost sounds like a threat of physical violence too (hyperbole, people, hyperbole). Oolon, if you get the kick, you have a home here. Not everyone will pay attention to you, but some will.

Cheers mate!

Poor Oolon. Tried to tell him PeeZus won't put up with rimjob refusals for long, does he listen? Noooo.

Enjoy that bed of rejection. Watch out for the pointy bits.

[welch]

Just for oolon: Jesus fuck, but I’m fed up with your pose of supposed objective neutrality everywhere I see you. Don’t comment on this thread, unless you want to discover that that fence you’re so happily straddling is electrified razor wire, because I’ll give you a yank so hard you’ll find yourself occupying two cells in the dungeon.

Oh yep, that one must hurt. Almost sounds like a threat of physical violence too (hyperbole, people, hyperbole). Oolon, if you get the kick, you have a home here. Not everyone will pay attention to you, but some will.

Cheers mate!

OH, yeah...also...just how big is PeeZus's ego that he thinks being sent to his "dungeon" is anything but a badge of honor?

[welch]

I don't really like the "you lot" you use all the time here. There's no "us lot". For exemple, some think you're a tedious troll who needs being ignored, while others engage with you (some in a polite maner, so in a bit more rude fashion).

Help please, what is the slime-approved nomenclature for referring to the slimepit and its denizens in totality?

"the other, other, other, OTHER group of people who think I'm an unctuous shitcock" would be the one *I* think you should use.

[welch]

As I tried to point out a few times already, the tabloid-like gossip and the high-school-level pseudo-satire focussing on physical defects greatly degrade the quality of the output of these boards. It also provides opportunistic ideologues Peezus with an endless supply of free ammo and with arguments very difficult to refute.

Good job, numbskulls.

On this, I agree 100%. (what's with me agreeing with everyone today? Wasn't it a couple days ago I was pissed off at everyone? Mood swings, I guess)

Meh. PeeZus is going to always hate on anyone associated with this place. One could be the second coming of Sir Isaac, and he'd hate you because you said something not hateful about the 'pit. There's no point in giving a fuck about what he'll think, we already know what that is.

But it is nice to know he's lurking. Makes me want to shave a lovely limerick in my ass hair for him.

[cunt]

YOUR CONCERN IS NOTED

[LMU]

I'm with those that wish some pitters wouldn't be so low brow with their criticisms (not sure if that's the right way to say it), however I'm emphatically against trying to censor people here. I'm not meaning to wag my finger, rather I mean it as a suggestion and would consider it a favor (not that I'm owed any).

[Dick Strawkins]

Trigger Warning!

Nerd of Redhead said to oolon, slimy turd:

Which brings up the real question, why haven’t you gone back there to your friends and leave us alone?

Have they no humanity? :pray:

[decius]

Meh. PeeZus is going to always hate on anyone associated with this place. One could be the second coming of Sir Isaac, and he'd hate you because you said something not hateful about the 'pit. There's no point in giving a fuck about what he'll think, we already know what that is.

But it is nice to know he's lurking. Makes me want to shave a lovely limerick in my ass hair for him.

I agree, John, he will hate us and spin whatever we say regardless. But that's not the point. With all his defects, Peezus is an effective propagandist and (in some circles) an influential ideologue. Some of us are effectively working as illustrators for his pamphleteering, and that's just dumb.