Periodic Table of Swearing

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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sacha wrote:
sacha wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:

- She's talking about a woman on a forum "dedicated to hating her" who was gonna attend a conference in San Fran. last year, anyone know who this is she's referring to?
That's me, I'll watch it now
fantastic. Accost her by ignoring her. I was not removed from the waiting list, I was there: http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... ight#p1153

The "forum dedicated to hating her" is the Slime Pit. I'll post the rest of the story when I return.
On that page you've linked to is this (apologie in advance if this copies poorly):

Re: Skepchick Anonymous
by Gumby » Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:28 pm

Evan wrote:
I don't know how credible this person is, but xe might be worth following.

https://twitter.com/Skepchick_Anon

#cvg2012‬ My sources at Skepchickcon told me PZ Myers and Stephanie Svan have prevailed with Brayton. Greg will rejoin FTB after the Summer.


The only reason they "fired" Laden at all is because they were reluctantly forced to by Justin Griffith's publication of that vile email Laden sent him. If Justin hadn't published that email it would have remained in the backchannel and Laden never would have been canned (or suspended, if this Skepchick_Anon is legit and has correct info). Justin be damned, FtB's stated anti-harassment/equality ideologies be damned.

PZ just posted a droning video where he babbles out a bullshit rationalization for why Thunderf00t was booted. If Laden is indeed coming back I'd love to see PZ's video where he rationalizes bringing back a blogger who harasses people online, tries to get people fired from their jobs, sends them violent and threatening emails, and edits/deletes people's comments.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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JackRayner wrote:
BarnOwl wrote:http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p60 ... f8bcc3.png

"no research needed" = promotion and tenure decision at certain universities
Well if it isn't the slimy turd.

What's funny about ooblong's whining about the "ignore/foe" feature, is that I bet not that many of you even used it. I personally just scrolled right past.
Oh I read his stuff. But I like beating jackanapes like him, so there's that.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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This a very interesting, just published, paper on Misinformation and its correction - http://psi.sagepub.com/content/13/3/106 ... teid=sppsi

And can someone tell me how to hyperlink to a word rather than the whole url?

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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Pitchguest wrote:
Anyone remember Anita Sarkeesian? You know, the one who gathered over $150,000 to make 13 videos on sexism in videogames? Well, it seems she up and ran with the money. I say "seems" because I don't really know, but she's two months overdue and she blocks anyone who asks what she's doing and where the money went. A YouTuber by the name of "gamesvstropesvswomen" made a video about sexism in videogames in her stead, albeit in a more balanced approach.

So it might interest you that the zealots over at A+theism made a thread about it:

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1420

Might interest you solely because the first thing the opening post does is deduce the YouTuber is an MRA.
From the thread OP:
Surgoshan wrote:
You may remember Anita Sarkeesian, awesome feminist media critic
[Emphasis added]

Hahahahahaha! If it wasn't already obvious from the fact that the thread was posted on the goddamned A+theism forums [forums, fora, does anyone give a fuck?], that portion of the opening sentence is all one would need to know what flavor Kool-aid "Surgoshan" is drinking.

I've seen a plethora of videos exposing Sarkeesian for the 1-track minded, sees-sexism-in-all-things, feminist airhead that she is, but the ones I enjoyed the most were Snakepliskinist's. He's even got a playlist made specifically for these. For anyone looking for something that is a little more high-brow, you could always check this two-parter out: Anita Sarkeesian Part 1: The college Graduate. It's pretty well produced.

And if viewing content from gender traitors, sister-punishers, and chill-girls is more to your linking, there's always this one;

[youtube]ZueOCLGt1tw[/youtube]

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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Tigzy wrote:Would this be the same Reap that posts here and runs the Angry Atheist podcast? Cos I'm not entirely sure it sounds like him: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... eap-paden/
A guest post by Reap Paden
October 11, 2012 at 5:28 pm Ophelia Benson

Because it’s far too good to blush unseen in the comments.

Reap Paden says

Allow me to add “FUCK YEA!” and “Fuck you” just try and do something about me and my freedom to say any damn thing I want. You loons sit here at your circle jerk and think you effect the real world? People like me who take on people face to face will be making change while you sputter amongst yourselves. Look at how much you’ve changed my behavior so far…pfft. Ophelia Benson are you needy for attention or just like to blab blab blab? No matter do not fret you will have your wish I’m happy to speak out about you to as part of the disease called A+. Poor A+ a group of idiots too dumb to know how limited their reach. You do make for great fodder I give you that much. Nothing anything any of you can or will say will harm or hurt me I am the wall you were bound to hit sooner or later. Funny thing is I am not alone we just don’t talk to hear ourselves speak, people actually listen. Now back to the banter……
Or has Ophelia been trolled by a Poe...?
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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Couch wrote:
sacha wrote:
sacha wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:

- She's talking about a woman on a forum "dedicated to hating her" who was gonna attend a conference in San Fran. last year, anyone know who this is she's referring to?
That's me, I'll watch it now
fantastic. Accost her by ignoring her. I was not removed from the waiting list, I was there: http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... ight#p1153

The "forum dedicated to hating her" is the Slime Pit. I'll post the rest of the story when I return.
On that page you've linked to is this (apologie in advance if this copies poorly):

Re: Skepchick Anonymous
by Gumby » Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:28 pm

Evan wrote:
I don't know how credible this person is, but xe might be worth following.

https://twitter.com/Skepchick_Anon

#cvg2012‬ My sources at Skepchickcon told me PZ Myers and Stephanie Svan have prevailed with Brayton. Greg will rejoin FTB after the Summer.


The only reason they "fired" Laden at all is because they were reluctantly forced to by Justin Griffith's publication of that vile email Laden sent him. If Justin hadn't published that email it would have remained in the backchannel and Laden never would have been canned (or suspended, if this Skepchick_Anon is legit and has correct info). Justin be damned, FtB's stated anti-harassment/equality ideologies be damned.

PZ just posted a droning video where he babbles out a bullshit rationalization for why Thunderf00t was booted. If Laden is indeed coming back I'd love to see PZ's video where he rationalizes bringing back a blogger who harasses people online, tries to get people fired from their jobs, sends them violent and threatening emails, and edits/deletes people's comments.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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Reap wrote:
Tigzy wrote:Would this be the same Reap that posts here and runs the Angry Atheist podcast? Cos I'm not entirely sure it sounds like him: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... eap-paden/
A guest post by Reap Paden
October 11, 2012 at 5:28 pm Ophelia Benson

Because it’s far too good to blush unseen in the comments.

Reap Paden says

Allow me to add “FUCK YEA!” and “Fuck you” just try and do something about me and my freedom to say any damn thing I want. You loons sit here at your circle jerk and think you effect the real world? People like me who take on people face to face will be making change while you sputter amongst yourselves. Look at how much you’ve changed my behavior so far…pfft. Ophelia Benson are you needy for attention or just like to blab blab blab? No matter do not fret you will have your wish I’m happy to speak out about you to as part of the disease called A+. Poor A+ a group of idiots too dumb to know how limited their reach. You do make for great fodder I give you that much. Nothing anything any of you can or will say will harm or hurt me I am the wall you were bound to hit sooner or later. Funny thing is I am not alone we just don’t talk to hear ourselves speak, people actually listen. Now back to the banter……
Or has Ophelia been trolled by a Poe...?
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And I'll bet you are surprised to know that Al has recently hitched his wagon to you.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lRVxvSw ... e=g-high-u

New video just posted by integralmath, "Dear Flewellyn: Your Dissembling Has Been Noted" (taking apart Flewellyn's commented in the exchange between him & Matt Dillahunty at Lousy Canuck) - it had just a handful of views but now has been "taken down by user"

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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From the same thread;
Lovely wrote:
It's bizarre! I can't wrap my head around it. She hadn't even made a video. She mentioned that she'd like to look into it. She hadn't even shown the result. But, the mere fact that a woman had the audacity to think about maybe looking into video game tropes was enough for this huge amount of bullying.
[My emphasis]

Uh...maybe you failed to realize that Sarkeesian had been making really stupid videos, in which she labeled every fucking thing imaginable examples of sexism [Do I even need to mention that it only applied to women?], misogyny, male chauvinism, and sexual objectification [again, only of women], long before? Or that she's probably always been getting all of that hate*, but only strategically allowed** it to post to that particular video so that whiteknights and feminists would rush to the rescue. [Just to spite the "misogynists", maybe?]

Anyways, I will laugh for a long time if every single person that [over] funded her "project" gets gypped! :P

*Gamers really hate being told what they should/shouldn't like. The whole point is escapism. Having some hag roll in and tell you that you're a misogynists because of the fantasy women within the games you're playing [while completely ignoring all of the fantasy men] kinda fucking ruins that for people. I've actually stopped reading most game journalism sites because of their constant barrage of articles by whiteknights and feminist guest writers coming in and vomitting their bullshit all over the place. The reason these sites do it is because they know it pisses people off, and they get a lot of hits because of it. It's disgusting.

**Comments and ratings are disabled on almost all of her videos. On the particular video about the Kickstarter she allowed comments but only after moderation. A hypothesis that I've heard is that she only approved the angry/troll comments to make herself seem like the victim. She essentially funneled the accumulated hate over her stupidity to that one video and then said "See? There is a problem with misogyny in the gaming community....so hand over your cash!"

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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Skep tickle wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lRVxvSw ... e=g-high-u

New video just posted by integralmath, "Dear Flewellyn: Your Dissembling Has Been Noted" (taking apart Flewellyn's commented in the exchange between him & Matt Dillahunty at Lousy Canuck) - it had just a handful of views but now has been "taken down by user"
That's because he uploaded the exact same video he'd upped just before:

Here's the correct one:

[youtube]tw--rUYzvEI[/youtube]

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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Excellent. Thanks. I'm apparently starting to see censors around every corner....

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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Skep tickle wrote:Excellent. Thanks. I'm apparently starting to see censors around every corner....
You obviously need to recalibrate your censor sensor.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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Hahaha. Here's a clueless bastard [halfway down the page] speaking up their mind;

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... 420#p20316
Ketsan wrote:I just hope she talks about how gamers actually use female characters because about ten seconds after online gaming was invented we discovered that female characters could be used to manipulate men into helping them. In other words strategically if you're playing online it makes sense to be a female character of high attractiveness because people will help you out with greater frequency, especially if they actually think you are female because guys will invariably suck up to a girl in an effort to get laid. We, as gamers, as people who are always by our nature looking for any advantage and will employ any strategy or tactic that helps us win, will take advantage of that.

Sarkeesian's stuff makes total sense, if you ignore everything but the female characters and especially the context they're in. The reason she got such a hostile reception is not because she's female but because everything that she's said that's true has been said for at least thirty years and everything else that she's said just insults the intelligence of the average human being and is so gynocentric it's almost laughable.





Also she's yet another woman coming into gaming culture and just not getting it: female characters aren't meant to be women out in the real world: they're our female alter egos. They're how we would wish to appear if we were female, again, for the strategic purpose of attracting male help and so that we can get away with stuff that a male character would get pwned and booted off the server for. Characters are tools;they are designed and created to do a job. If guys stopped helping out female characters more than male characters then female characters would probably evaporate unless they were created with an advantage over male characters.
Scroll further for the inevitable dogpilling. My favorite: :popcorn:
Lovely wrote:
FUCK THIS SHIT.

I AM A GAMER. I AM A WOMAN.

This shit isn't my "female alter ego". FUCK. I am a goddamned fucking gamer and I still have to read shit about how gaming is all about the menz and their perspective. And if I disagree then I couldn't possibly understand because I'm not really a gamer since I'm a woman first.

I don't care if Sarkeesian was never much of a gamer before. Maybe she would be a gamer, but she'll always just be a woman looking in the window from the outside according the generic male gamer point of view.

Jesus fucking christ fucking fuck.
I can almost smell the tears of rage coming off of that post. :lol:

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Ministry of Athiplus

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Atheism+ forum currently has zero members logged in, and 5 other guests.
'Merka sleeps, A+Theism does too.
Tells you a lot about their proclaimed "diversity", and "reaching out" matra-fibs.

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Re: Ministry of Athiplus

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Michael K Gray wrote:Atheism+ forum currently has zero members logged in, and 5 other guests.
'Merka sleeps, A+Theism does too.
Tells you a lot about their proclaimed "diversity", and "reaching out" matra-fibs.
I think that's only looking that specific thread. [Assuming your summation is from the above linked thread.] If you go to the main page,there seems to be a lot more.

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Re: Ministry of Athiplus

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JackRayner wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:Atheism+ forum currently has zero members logged in, and 5 other guests.
'Merka sleeps, A+Theism does too.
Tells you a lot about their proclaimed "diversity", and "reaching out" matra-fibs.
I think that's only looking that specific thread. [Assuming your summation is from the above linked thread.] If you go to the main page,there seems to be a lot more.
Yes, you are quite correct.
My post will now go into the memory hole because I am never wrong! Hear me!

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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When it happened my husband was all well Sarkeesian was obviously just trying to highlight gamining misogyny so you know that's a good thing...

Boy it's going to be fun when he comes home tonight.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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As an aside, I notice a number of you seem to be redditors. Has anybody noticed the striking similarities between the way A+ and ShitRedditSays denizens operate?

The main difference I find is that the SRS folk aren't quite as timid in their use of epithets... but apart from that, I find it hard to imagine there's not some substantial intersection between the sets of A+ members and SRSters.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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I'M A GAMER

BUT WHEN I GAME I AM NOT THINKING A WHOLE LOT ABOUT MY VAGINA SERIOUSLY

I MEAN I'M MORE INTERESTED IN PLAYING THE GAME

AND TELLING PEOPLE TO SUCK IT AND CUNT OFF AND TO STOP SHOOTING ME SRSLY

...although I haven't online since I spent several days on Battlefield 1943 and husband felt I might need a time out from crashing aeroplanes.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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I don't want to embed this video here (because it's really painful to watch), but I've seen this guy popping up around youtube for the last few months, fervently defending a+theism,

His reasoning is so bizarre that I can't shake the feeling that he is just a very dedicated Poe. But with that crowd you can't really tell 100%. Does anyone know who he is and/or if he's serious.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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BarnOwl wrote:http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p60 ... f8bcc3.png

"no research needed" = promotion and tenure decision at certain universities
This SammyBoal character (acct got suspended and has now returned as @SamanthaBoal), if genuine, sounds very Mabus-esque (except more coherent) in the way she focuses on the most trivial issues to attack watson and jen on. Assuming for a second that she's not another Poe, or Mabus in online-drag, there is something strange about the fact that here is a person who is obviously pestering and attacking Watson but instead of getting banned/blocked (like the majority of people who criticize watson these days) Rebecca uncharacteristically retweets the loopy person's attacks on her.

Remember some time back when Watson and PZ were being called out on twitter for falsely accusing that CoffeeLovingSkeptic guy for calling watson a cunt. The two went banhammer crazy for a solid day to avoid having to put up with their critics. Yet this Boal person's tweets against them are being advertised for all to see. It brings up the old charge from last year that, when PZ et al do respond to criticisms, why is it always just to highlight the crazies never the legit opposition (eg the complaints over how watson treated McGraw being ignored in favor of addressing trolls calling for watson to be raped, and likening all criticism of Rebecca to this latter group).

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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I feel to fit the narrative that Samantha would have been a white heterosexual male.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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Funny and true commentary from Johnny on Jen's WankGate dilemma,

[youtube]Fn9XKX8cWao[/youtube]

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Re: Ministry of Athiplus

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Hi everyone! I'm new here. Nice to meet you :dance: This place is much more civil than your reputation suggests!
JackRayner wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:Atheism+ forum currently has zero members logged in, and 5 other guests.
'Merka sleeps, A+Theism does too.
Tells you a lot about their proclaimed "diversity", and "reaching out" matra-fibs.
I think that's only looking that specific thread. [Assuming your summation is from the above linked thread.] If you go to the main page,there seems to be a lot more.
It's still a pretty low number. There were 27 readers online when I last checked. I don't know how they ever expect to attract members (do they even want to?) when their forum is so strict and unwelcoming. It's like a forum run by these two:

http://www.thejim.iofm.net/jpgs/accuse.jpg
This is a local forum, for local people! There's nothing for you here!

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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Welcome Pinker! Another league Of Gentleman fan eh?
"You.... Heard the man Tubbs......Get undressed."
"Justin, Justin my very own Justin."
"Hello Dave!"
"In this house we do not use the "F" word! This.....Is a TOAD!"
Etc. Etc.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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rayshul wrote:I'M A GAMER

BUT WHEN I GAME I AM NOT THINKING A WHOLE LOT ABOUT MY VAGINA SERIOUSLY

I MEAN I'M MORE INTERESTED IN PLAYING THE GAME

AND TELLING PEOPLE TO SUCK IT AND CUNT OFF AND TO STOP SHOOTING ME SRSLY

...although I haven't online since I spent several days on Battlefield 1943 and husband felt I might need a time out from crashing aeroplanes.
Hahahaha. Honestly, when I play[ed. Zeus, it's been months. I know my day will be sucked away if I do, and I've got school work to get done!] online competitive vydiagames, other people's gender is the last thing on my mind...until it comes time to start hurling insults to get under people's skin and make them lose their cool. It's happened to me, so I know it's effective. Some asshole hurls insults over their headset after killing me, and now I'm only focused on getting them, and I die a whole bunch of times because of it. It's funny looking back, but when you're in the moment, it's just like "YOUMOHERFUCKERI'MGONNAFUCKINGRAPEYOUWITHTHEBARRELOFMY[videogame]RIFLE!"

There's been this big push to "expose" the "misogyny" in the gaming community, but what no one seems to care about is the fact that the hurling of targeted insults has been a staple of competitive gaming long before it began to attract a more mainstream audience. [And thus more women. Let's be real, females were very scarce in nerd/geek culture until recently.] An insult that doesn't cut deep is a waste of air. You don't see stand-up comedians, for example, telling hecklers that their moms wear combat boots. [Was that ever offensive, by the by?] No, they go with the dirtiest, most offensive tailored insult that they can come up with on the fly. [What's funny is that I'm almost sure that a significant number of the "dudes" that I made fun off for sounding like 10 year old boys were probably women. :whistle: ]

Also, online gaming has made it easier to connect with others from home, so maybe the whole competitive aggression thing really is a surprise to most female games entering these games. Picture for a moment, the follow scene: A crowded arcade with groups of males huddling around arcade cabinets, [think Mortal Kombat or Street Fighter] aggressively posturing while they do, as they wait their turn to go head to head in a match against another of these males. Insults and mean glares were common place. Does this sound anything like the ideal environment for your average female? [On that note, I really miss this scene. Sadly, I wasn't even out of high school by the time that it died in my area. It really was a rush going up against someone that was standing an inch next to you while a crowd watched. Online gaming isn't the same...]

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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Pinker wrote:Hi everyone! I'm new here. Nice to meet you :dance: This place is much more civil than your reputation suggests!
:shhh: We've got a name to live up to.
Pinker wrote:I don't know how they ever expect to attract members (do they even want to?) when their forum is so strict and unwelcoming.
You'd think people would draw a line at being asked to admit to being 'potential' criminals (specifically rapists) for crimes they have no intention of ever committing. But I guess not. I don't see them wanting to attract members or do any social activism either, what they want more than anything is to have their 'safe space' away from all the mean, bad people (that's us, so 'WE'RE #1', yeah!). The problem is how can anyone take you seriously about confronting the ills of society when a one-syllable epithet is enough to make you 'cry tears of rage.'

Anyway, welcome to the Pit, Pinker. Not that you need me to say it, but don't be shy about commenting and just having a laugh around here every now and again. This forum is only as entertaining as long as people are willing to contribute to the fun.

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Re: Ministry of Athiplus

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Pinker wrote:Hi everyone! I'm new here. Nice to meet you :dance: This place is much more civil than your reputation suggests!
Hello. The rudeness on here is mainly me, I think. :mrgreen: I've got no excuses, I was raised well!



In other thoughts... I notice the age group that this particular form of gender feminism has sprung up in in women is largely Gen X. (with a couple of outliers). I'm guessing that this is the generation of women who were the first to get real opportunities in the workplace but had parents who were more wedded to the previous generation's women-stay-home/men-go-out-and-work.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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JackRayner wrote:There's been this big push to "expose" the "misogyny" in the gaming community, but what no one seems to care about is the fact that the hurling of targeted insults has been a staple of competitive gaming long before it began to attract a more mainstream audience. [And thus more women. Let's be real, females were very scarce in nerd/geek culture until recently.] An insult that doesn't cut deep is a waste of air. You don't see stand-up comedians, for example, telling hecklers that their moms wear combat boots. [Was that ever offensive, by the by?] No, they go with the dirtiest, most offensive tailored insult that they can come up with on the fly.
I've been trying to explain THAT to the husband too. I'm like... it's fucking psycheing people out!!!

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I notice oolon is right in the thick of it on B and W, lying away about Renee Hendricks 'sticking up' for that Samboals troll. :liar:

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Pinker wrote:It's still a pretty low number. There were 27 readers online when I last checked.
Nah.
I fucked up royally by assuming that the "logged on user count" was global.
Mea culpa.
(Bet you that an observer won't hear that admission too often, if at all, in their enclave of those who are dropped off to A+Theism by the safe-space FfTB padded "Special Bus" for those social cripples who swallowed the Femtheist SOMA that preys on helpless intellectually retarded drones.)

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aweraw wrote:As an aside, I notice a number of you seem to be redditors. Has anybody noticed the striking similarities between the way A+ and ShitRedditSays denizens operate?

The main difference I find is that the SRS folk aren't quite as timid in their use of epithets... but apart from that, I find it hard to imagine there's not some substantial intersection between the sets of A+ members and SRSters.
I post on reddit. The striking similarity is there because on reddit at least, the shitredditsays board is indistinguishable from the atheismplus board in terms of who posts there and who moderates it. McGrate has had an account on reddit for quite some time. And she always was pretty chummy with reddit feminists (shitredditsays). As soon as her atheismplus board was created on reddit, we were treated to a sickeningly incestuous orgy of A+theists and shitredditsays types. I'm pretty sure a lot of those from shitredditsays bled over into A+ not just on reddit but also elsewhere.

Their ideologies are practically indistinguishable. All the usual chattering about hetero-patriarch-cis-white-straight-privilege and woe-is-me-the-oppressed-fair-maiden. As is their behaviour. Docdropping of those they dislike, heavy-handed moderation, a tendency to simply dismiss any opposing point of view instead of reasoning against it. shitredditsays are McGrate's ideal congregation.

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Dick Strawkins wrote:I notice oolon is right in the thick of it on B and W, lying away about Renee Hendricks 'sticking up' for that Samboals troll. :liar:
Bless. What a muppet.

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rayshul wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote:I notice oolon is right in the thick of it on B and W, lying away about Renee Hendricks 'sticking up' for that Samboals troll. :liar:
Bless. What a muppet.
Right.
That's Oolon scratched off my Christmas list.

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JackRayner wrote:There's been this big push to "expose" the "misogyny" in the gaming community, but what no one seems to care about is the fact that the hurling of targeted insults has been a staple of competitive gaming long before it began to attract a more mainstream audience. [And thus more women. Let's be real, females were very scarce in nerd/geek culture until recently.]
Those same people crying about "misogyny" in online video gaming are actually some of the most contemptuous and verbally abusive people you'll ever find online. They have not a kind word to say about people they don't like. Ever. They routinely toss insults at those they don't like while hiding behind the I-lack-privilege-so-you-can't-insult-me shield.

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Pinker wrote:This place is much more civil than your reputation suggests!
Fucking right, dickface!

Welcome to the Pit, Pinker, I hope you'll like it here.

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Saint N. wrote:I don't want to embed this video here (because it's really painful to watch), but I've seen this guy popping up around youtube for the last few months, fervently defending a+theism,

His reasoning is so bizarre that I can't shake the feeling that he is just a very dedicated Poe. But with that crowd you can't really tell 100%. Does anyone know who he is and/or if he's serious.
hey all, just a lurker but yeah I've come across this guy before - He is a Troll and a poe, his motives seem mainly to be attention seeking. He is stalked DPR Jones for a while,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ1JM-k7 ... ure=g-hist

he is the sort to join any cause if he thinks he can be a 'player'

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Saint N. wrote:I don't want to embed this video here (because it's really painful to watch), but I've seen this guy popping up around youtube for the last few months, fervently defending a+theism,

His reasoning is so bizarre that I can't shake the feeling that he is just a very dedicated Poe. But with that crowd you can't really tell 100%. Does anyone know who he is and/or if he's serious.
Ahh. Good ol' CasesAndMaterials. I've seen him mentioned, even replied to with videos, by a few of the youtube channels I subscribe to. My take is that he's either a dedicated troll*, or a deranged individual.

*The way that he targets several of the youtubers that I'm subscribed to, and supports dopes like TheTruePooka and A+theism, seems a little too consistent to be just trolling. Personally, if I was a troll, I'd target the whinier people...

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Killing elves and orcs and zombies promotes rape culture and if you give me $160,000 i'll tell you how.

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Sex sells? Evidence, please.

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cunt wrote:Killing elves and orcs and zombies promotes rape culture and if you give me $160,000 i'll tell you how.
Amway+

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mutleyeng wrote:
Saint N. wrote:I don't want to embed this video here (because it's really painful to watch), but I've seen this guy popping up around youtube for the last few months, fervently defending a+theism,

His reasoning is so bizarre that I can't shake the feeling that he is just a very dedicated Poe. But with that crowd you can't really tell 100%. Does anyone know who he is and/or if he's serious.
hey all, just a lurker but yeah I've come across this guy before - He is a Troll and a poe, his motives seem mainly to be attention seeking. He is stalked DPR Jones for a while,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ1JM-k7 ... ure=g-hist

he is the sort to join any cause if he thinks he can be a 'player'
As soon as you mentioned "Youtube troll and Poe" I knew you were talking about CaseAndMaterials...Aren't Poe's supposed to be funny?
Dick Strawkins wrote:I notice oolon is right in the thick of it on B and W, lying away about Renee Hendricks 'sticking up' for that Samboals troll. :liar:

http://i.imgur.com/fupJD.jpg
How the fuck does Oolon come to the realisation that Renee is sticking up for Samboals?? Sticking up for the Pit but not Samboals. Fucking cheb.

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Couch wrote:
sacha wrote:
sacha wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:

- She's talking about a woman on a forum "dedicated to hating her" who was gonna attend a conference in San Fran. last year, anyone know who this is she's referring to?
That's me, I'll watch it now
fantastic. Accost her by ignoring her. I was not removed from the waiting list, I was there: http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... ight#p1153

The "forum dedicated to hating her" is the Slime Pit. I'll post the rest of the story when I return.
On that page you've linked to is this (apologie in advance if this copies poorly):

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Evan wrote:
I don't know how credible this person is, but xe might be worth following.

https://twitter.com/Skepchick_Anon

#cvg2012‬ My sources at Skepchickcon told me PZ Myers and Stephanie Svan have prevailed with Brayton. Greg will rejoin FTB after the Summer.

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And yes, I could see the Deep Throat's twitter account was dead.

Sheesh, yer supposed to read my mind!. It says so on the instructions that came with this helmet.

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Ah, the completely dishonest well-poisoning continues. Funny how all we have to to to make FTB look bad is tell the truth about them, but in order to make us look bad, FTB invariably has to lie about us...

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BarnOwl wrote:http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p60 ... f8bcc3.png

"no research needed" = promotion and tenure decision at certain universities
Oh, are PZ and foolon ever filthy liars! Some of us Slimepitters spoke out in defence of the baboons on this one, and it was ElevatorGate (I think) who called for the person to be reported (the account is now taken down).

I think that the secret truth of it is that PZ knew full well that the account was a sock of one of the baboons. A sock designed to give anti-freedom-of-sexuality insults and rape threats, for the purpose of "look at these threats, I get them CONSTANTLY", and she will magically know that the (sock)harasser is an atheist or skeptic. I suspect that if us slimy types hadn't gone in there and defending the pudgy pink ones, they'd have used it as "proof" that atheists sexually harass Twatson "constantly"! I think we killed their manufactroversy buzz. Hahaha!
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KiwiInOz wrote:This a very interesting, just published, paper on Misinformation and its correction - http://psi.sagepub.com/content/13/3/106 ... teid=sppsi

And can someone tell me how to hyperlink to a word rather than the whole url?
Yep, use this format:

Code: Select all

[url=http://scentednectar.com]Click here[/url]
You can also make the word bold and/or underlined so that it will look more 'linky':
[url=http://scentednectar.com][b][u]Click here[/u][/b][/url]
Taken out of the code box, and put into this post the normal way, the above becomes:

Click here
You can also make the word bold and/or extra underlined, etc, so that it will look more 'linky':
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aweraw wrote:As an aside, I notice a number of you seem to be redditors.
We are? Well, I learn something new every day, I guess. Reddit is hardly ever mentioned here, so that surprises me a bit.

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Saint N. wrote:I don't want to embed this video here (because it's really painful to watch), but I've seen this guy popping up around youtube for the last few months, fervently defending a+theism,

His reasoning is so bizarre that I can't shake the feeling that he is just a very dedicated Poe. But with that crowd you can't really tell 100%. Does anyone know who he is and/or if he's serious.
That guy is totally insane. I've tried arguing/discussing things with him, and he's stupider than a cardboard box. He also is very fragmented/disconnected in thought, very similar to the way most of PZ's commenters are. He would fit right in. His thinking only goes one level deep. He often tries to be comedic and fails pathetically.

Oh, I see in this video that he's already found the baboons, and he feels quite welcome. He's found his true home, where he's not seen as retarded because they all are too. On youtube he is often considered 'slow'. A few videos were even made about it.

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sacha wrote:
Mykeru wrote:I'm editing through The Beaver's 2012 HFA keynote speech and JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, THIS IS A KEYNOTE SPEECH? My God, it's an hour of Watson bitching about trolls, mean girls and how people weren't nice to her on the internet. If she was a fat no-life neck beard guy no one would listen to her, but since she's a fat pink-haired no-life Skepchick suddenly arguing on the internet has global consequences.

She complains about someone threatening to put a bullet in her head (been there, princess) and not even ten minutes in, I'm begging for a bullet in the head.

Sacha, do tell.
I mentioned that I would be attending on the original Slime Pit. Asked if there were any requests, like a note.

Of course what bothers her the most is not getting attention, so I posted that in order to get under her skin, I planned to ignore her, and we had a laugh. I'll find the links.

PZ phoned the organiser, telling him someone named "sacha" on a hate forum was planning to attend and that I planned to "cause trouble" and I was a direct threat to Becci's safety.

PZ asked that I be removed from the list and asked that the organiser call Becci to let her know she did not have to worry about her safety, and that I was no longer attending. He called Becci, who wanted to make sure I would not be permitted to attend... blah blah blah

The organiser knew me prior to this, he emailed and told me what was said, asked if they had the wrong person, and wanted my side of things.
I told him about what I posted on the Slime Pit, and the plan was to ignore her, I told him it isn't any secret that I do not like Becci and PZ, and the thread was more about PZ than anyone else. I had no interest in engaging her, I had no interest in her at all. I was attending because of the the others. I offered to give him the links to my comments that PZ was referring to, and told him that I did not want him involved, and I did not need to attend. He thought it was all a bit ridiculous, and told me he has no problem with me attending, but asked if I would use the first name Sophia instead of sacha, like it is on my facebook page (yes, sacha is my real name). I told him that no one calls me Sophia, and Becci may hear numerous people refer to me as sacha. He said he did not care, I told him I did not want to be that close to her anyway, and he told me to go as planned, so I did.
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Well, after watching Rebecca Watson's "Keynote Speech", or any of her pronouncements over the past few years, you get a sense of her rhythm, which is "death threats, rape threats, someone was mean to me" followed by how she cashed this in for more power, either to get someone fired, or removed from an event, or to strong-arm the organizers of an event, mostly based on someone's ill-thought hyperbolic speech, a nasty-gram from someone 1,000 miles away, or just the most uncharitable interpretation of someone's total exasperation with her. However, the sheer volume of death threats, rape threats and the use of the word "cunt" is, of course, a rough measure of Rebecca Watson's total importance. It seems that often porn is inaccessible on the internet due to the bandwidth used in threatening Rebecca Watson.

And all the while, while she's telling these horror stories, she's smiling and playing it for laughs at the same time, forcing her compliant audience into simultaneously holding the thought that this is all very terrifying and, at the same time, highly amusing. If you turn the sound off when Rebecca Watson is speaking, by just watching her you would think she was relating some amusing, but entirely trivial anecdote. I've never seen anyone with such a lack of emotional investment in her own terror.

So, when I got to the point that she was telling the umpteenth variation on a theme I was used to how completely mundane disagreements get filtered through Rebecca Watson's mental oppression conversion program, such as "a forum" (vague, so you can't check) that was "dedicated to hating her" (the whole damn thing, 24/7) had a person (no names, please) that was "going to accost her in some manner" (which covers everything from telling her she's full of shit to sticking an ice-pick in her ear) and how she was able to parlay victim-hood into some form of power. But being ignored as a form of confrontation? That's a new one.

At least, that's how she tells it. However, back in reality, it's just another case of the police, the organizers, her friends and her mother not believing the fucking SWAT team should be called out because someone was mean to Becca on the internet. However, the people in attendance at the supposed Humanist group ooh and ahh over what a very important victim Rebecca is.

If you can tune out Rebecca for a while, and who wouldn't, and just listen to the audience, it's revealing. I can hear one guy doing a sort of smug laugh. I know this guy. He's the older, low-level academic that goes to all the Skeptical Meetups at the public library, wears socks with sandals, has a closely cropped beard and wears a tilly hat like he's on permanent safari and basically holds court in his own mind. He's made in the same smug factory that squeezed out P.Z. Meyers. He's so used to his own sub-moronic minions that questioning him is out of the question. I could make a hobby out of pissing that guy off.

I had to stop watching because my brain was melting, but I have to watch the Q&A just to see if there was anyone brave enough to call bullshit. Not likely. A couple years ago I was at a CFI-DC thang with some guy speaking from the Smithsonian. I noted that the then new Human Origins exhibit at the museum has a big fucking thank you plaque to the Koch Brothers and I questioned taking Koch money, because they do that kind of philanthropic work to provide cover for the rest of their bullshit. The speaker totally smugged out and said "Well, if the Koch brothers want to give us money, we'll take it, heh-heh-heh". Which I interpreted as being a whore, even if you're a well-compensated whore. I thought Melody Hensley was giving me the stink-eye, but I might have just had a bad case of the Watsons.

My Godless, it's all so very fucking sad, isn't it?

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Mykeru wrote: So, when I got to the point that she was telling the umpteenth variation on a theme I was used to how completely mundane disagreements get filtered through Rebecca Watson's mental oppression conversion program, such as "a forum" (vague, so you can't check) that was "dedicated to hating her" (the whole damn thing, 24/7) had a person (no names, please) that was "going to accost her in some manner" (which covers everything from telling her she's full of shit to sticking an ice-pick in her ear) and how she was able to parlay victim-hood into some form of power. But being ignored as a form of confrontation? That's a new one.
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I think that forum of hate is this place right here.

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It would be nice if someone did a point-by-point response to Rebecca Watson's video, nailing the points that Mykeru made, and others points: like RW was relaying stories which we have no evidence for. I'm not saying that she completely manufactured it (though it may be possible), but are we to believe the "threats" were made exactly as she stated it word for word. Also, it can be debated as to whether they are threats or not.

She said that other people didn't believe her stories, but then believed her afterwards. That sounds familiar. Sounds like when someone tell me that they saw a ghost, and then their friend said "I didn't believe it, but then I saw it for myself".

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Stefunny's joined Peezus and O for a 'Total Recall' remake! :D

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rayshul wrote:I think that forum of hate is this place right here.
Well, it's been demonstrated (not) that all Pitters, including women, hate women, so there's that (not, again).

I wish these shmuks would provide evidence for their claims. It's a bit like wishing the Moon was made of cheese, though...

Franc: nice to see you back!

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
rayshul wrote:I think that forum of hate is this place right here.
Well, it's been demonstrated (not) that all Pitters, including women, hate women, so there's that (not, again).

I wish these shmuks would provide evidence for their claims. It's a bit like wishing the Moon was made of cheese, though...
From what My posted I assumed she doesn't think we hate all women, but that this forum is completely dedicated to RW. And hating HER, specifically. I'm pretty sure we shit on lots of people, she shouldn't really feel that special.

Speaking of which...

This is a new great post about Jen's weird approach to the homeless that kind of covers the sort of natural wtf reaction people have had to it.

http://musingsbysoggymog.blogspot.co.uk ... y-its.html

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rayshul wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
rayshul wrote:I think that forum of hate is this place right here.
Well, it's been demonstrated (not) that all Pitters, including women, hate women, so there's that (not, again).

I wish these shmuks would provide evidence for their claims. It's a bit like wishing the Moon was made of cheese, though...
From what My posted I assumed she doesn't think we hate all women, but that this forum is completely dedicated to RW. And hating HER, specifically. I'm pretty sure we shit on lots of people, she shouldn't really feel that special.

Speaking of which...

This is a new great post about Jen's weird approach to the homeless that kind of covers the sort of natural wtf reaction people have had to it.

http://musingsbysoggymog.blogspot.co.uk ... y-its.html
I don't hate RW.

I just think she isn't qualified or has shown the ability, to do anything more difficult than appear as a comedy sidekick (as she did on the SGU).
When she appears all over the place giving keynote speeches my disgust is not with her, but with the sort of idiots that go along with this, promoting here abover her ability and keeping quiet when things are clearly not working.
Having the likes of RW, Jen and Stefunny giving 'expert' talks is a problem for the simple reason that there are people with real knowledge, ability and talent (many of them women) who are being denied the chance to take the stage because of the monopoly of speaking places by PZ and his close friends.

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sacha wrote: The "forum dedicated to hating her" is the Slime Pit. I'll post the rest of the story when I return.
Tell us more about ourselves, ma petite egoiste Becci.

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masakari2012 wrote:It would be nice if someone did a point-by-point response to Rebecca Watson's video, nailing the points that Mykeru made, and others points: like RW was relaying stories which we have no evidence for. I'm not saying that she completely manufactured it (though it may be possible), but are we to believe the "threats" were made exactly as she stated it word for word. Also, it can be debated as to whether they are threats or not.

She said that other people didn't believe her stories, but then believed her afterwards. That sounds familiar. Sounds like when someone tell me that they saw a ghost, and then their friend said "I didn't believe it, but then I saw it for myself".
I'm working on a Athiplus Ministry of Truth video and I would really, really like to be done with the damn thing. I've blocked out the last section to exactly that, pointing out some of the disparity between Rebecca's damsel in distress routine and what really happened. I wouldn't devote a whole video to Watson, but she is a major clown in the whole clown car.

I interpret Watson's "no one believes me" shtick as a variation on the conspiracy theorist's claim that lack of evidence for a conspiracy just shows how effective the conspiracy is. Or, in this case, that no one believes her oppression crap is just more evidence of her being oppressed.

I don't know if the people duped by Rebecca Watson are therefore victims of Watson herself, or just so fucking stupid that they deserve to be taken in.

I'd like to use an edited down version of Sacha's take on what happened with Watson, because the disparity between what actually happened and what gets fictionalized by the fearless keynote speaker, is too good not to use. Some shit just writes itself.

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Mykeru wrote:
masakari2012 wrote:It would be nice if someone did a point-by-point response to Rebecca Watson's video, nailing the points that Mykeru made, and others points: like RW was relaying stories which we have no evidence for. I'm not saying that she completely manufactured it (though it may be possible), but are we to believe the "threats" were made exactly as she stated it word for word. Also, it can be debated as to whether they are threats or not.

She said that other people didn't believe her stories, but then believed her afterwards. That sounds familiar. Sounds like when someone tell me that they saw a ghost, and then their friend said "I didn't believe it, but then I saw it for myself".
I'm working on a Athiplus Ministry of Truth video and I would really, really like to be done with the damn thing. I've blocked out the last section to exactly that, pointing out some of the disparity between Rebecca's damsel in distress routine and what really happened. I wouldn't devote a whole video to Watson, but she is a major clown in the whole clown car.

I interpret Watson's "no one believes me" shtick as a variation on the conspiracy theorist's claim that lack of evidence for a conspiracy just shows how effective the conspiracy is. Or, in this case, that no one believes her oppression crap is just more evidence of her being oppressed.

I don't know if the people duped by Rebecca Watson are therefore victims of Watson herself, or just so fucking stupid that they deserve to be taken in.

I'd like to use an edited down version of Sacha's take on what happened with Watson, because the disparity between what actually happened and what gets fictionalized by the fearless keynote speaker, is too good not to use. Some shit just writes itself.
There is one thing about her actions that I do hate - although it is something that she is not alone in doing.
I've seen several people make exactly the same complaint that goes something like this:

'I tried to post something on Skepchick/Pharyngula for the first time - just a quick question asking for some evidence about the claim being asserted, but my post never when up and now I realize I've now been banned. However there is another post, which by the time stamps shows that it was made after my attempted post, that does show up and yet this post is purely nasty insults thrown at Rebecca/PZ.
Why would they reject my post but allow this trolls insults?"

I regard this type of manipulation to be absolutely dishonest. You either ban every post that is not on message or you select the polite ones that disagree with you - that, at least, would show some degree on integrity. Only allowing trolling insults is done with the intent to show that the only people who disagree with you are malicious.
It is completely dishonest and tantamount to lying.

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Sulaco wrote: Isn't that what Fundie Christians say? If you don't accept Jesus you will never be worthy no matter how many good deeds you do. At least Christianity offered a way to salvation. What the FfTB people preach is more like the Aztec religion (we were created from stolen god's blood and we can never redeem ourselves but we must make sacrifices because humans are nothing more than dirty thieves). Amazing how many tenets of fundamentalism they have adopted, not just Christian, but any religion or authoritarian secular ideologies.
Only if you weren't a Calvanist. We are all sinners, no good works can redeem us only Gawd's Grace, and the elect were chosen before you or anyone you know was even born and if you aren't one of them, you're fucked. In theory, you can't even know if you're one of the elect, but in practice some people have an awfully strong feeling about it. Certainly makes "good works" for the proles a hard sell though.

Not sure what Grace made of the whole thing either.

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