Dick Strawkins wrote:Dilurk wrote:http://www.atheistrev.com/2012/10/lesso ... bacle.html *ugh*
I personally never felt there was anything wrong with Justin posting Surly's address. If I had, I would not have posted the lmgtfy.com string that Lsuoma so graciously replaced. It was always a question of *image* of *politics*.
It was always my understanding Voice for men ran JVs piece with his permission. A number of us did also warn him at the time that this was a *political* mistake.
Sad. Considering the propensity of some atheists to dox, I don't even trust atheistrev.
The idea that this place is a hate site is ridiculous.
We are a LOL site.
Justin posting Surly Amys address here was opposed by most of the people who commented - as was the posting of oolons details.
If we were really a hate site then we must be the most inept bunch of haters ever. :(
The same goes for A Voice for Men. Obviously it's a article of faith that AVfM is a ravenous hate site filled with rapey guys, guys who hate, who hate and rape and rapety-rape-rape.
Although, I haven't seen it. Do they get some guys fresh from a burn? Sure. Do they get guys who are venting a mile-a-minute because someone is finally listening to them? That to.
But hate, much less pathological hatred of women? Not a bit. At best, you can say the atmosphere in that regard is of an overwhelming sense of betrayal ("But you said this would benefit us too").
When evidence is given of this, it's invariably either someone with an obvious political fund-raising agenda like The Southern Poverty Law center that asserts that it kinda sort of can be sometimes hateful or you get the usual "the world is run by 12 year old trolls in comments, apparently" evidence. Or you get someone like Pickles Dillahunty who knows "sick MRA bullshit" because...uh...well...someone told him and no, he doesn't have time to figure out who.
The reason that Atheism Plus and the RadFem Etsy drinking club describes AVfM as a hate site is the same reason The Westboro Baptist Church "hates fags": They are so fucking nuts that the only social cohesion they can have is through representative boogeymen. Fred Phelps thinks he's God's ventriloquist dummy and Atheism Plus is all about a narrow and self-serving definition of "social justice" and so to hide that they are just all about hate, they have to hate the hate, even if they have to project like motherfuckers and generally make shit up.
One day they will refer to AVfM as a hate site and 1. Actually pull up a quote that isn't quote mined 2. Pull up something that is actually central to Men's Rights rather than a comment by some retarded troll at the bottom of a thread 3. Not ascribing to AVfm something they've pulled from the man-o-sphere in general, like Pick Up Artists or simply out their asses and 4. Not something that they think is unconscionable that they claim AVfM does which is, not incidentally, something Plussers do more and better such as harassment, lying, doxing and generally being a bunch of "end justifies the means" psychopaths in training.
Odd that Atheism Plus isn't all about radical feminism, yet they've selected as their central target of contempt one of the more cohesive and egalitarian Men's Rights groups. If they didn't have their carefully crafted and almost entirely fictitious enemies, they would have nothing better to do than eat each other.