Periodic Table of Swearing

[bhoytony]

What CPU does your machine have? (Celeron/Atom/etc)
What OS is it running? (iOS/Linux/WinXP/Win7/etc)?

Celeron and Vista. I've got a pretty good broadband connection and even if I leave the page to load for a looong time it still hogs all the memory and I have to kill the plugin in order to do anything.

[Michael K Gray]

What CPU does your machine have? (Celeron/Atom/etc)
What OS is it running? (iOS/Linux/WinXP/Win7/etc)?

Celeron and Vista. I've got a pretty good broadband connection and even if I leave the page to load for a looong time it still hogs all the memory and I have to kill the plugin in order to do anything.

It's the Celeron, I'm afraid, not the unfairly maligned Vista.
I have a similar aging notebook and, as the video is all handled by the the knobbled CPU, it ain't much chop.
Prolly nuttin U can do 'bout it, apart from acquire the patience of a Saint.

[bhoytony]

It's the Celeron, I'm afraid, not the unfairly maligned Vista.
I have a similar aging notebook and, as the video is all handled by the the knobbled CPU, it ain't much chop.
Prolly nuttin U can do 'bout it, apart from acquire the patience of a Saint.

It's a bit strange I never used to have a problem. I spent a lot of time on Michael Messer's resonator guitar forum which has a similar music thread to ours and it worked fine. Maybe it's not up to running the latest upgrade for Flashplayer. I might try it on my netbook, but I've got it hooked up to my projector at the minute watching the football on a dodgy stream

[Michael K Gray]

It's a bit strange I never used to have a problem. I spent a lot of time on Michael Messer's resonator guitar forum which has a similar music thread to ours and it worked fine.

I have quite the most massive beasty of a PC on the planet (as you might know) and it takes it's own damn good time to load the MUSIC thread here; with two high-speed broad-band lines.
Perhaps it is a flaw in the phpBB software that is disabling the cache facility of browsers?
Dunno.

[bhoytony]

I have quite the most massive beasty of a PC on the planet (as you might know) and it takes it's own damn good time to load the MUSIC thread here; with two high-speed broad-band lines.
Perhaps it is a flaw in the phpBB software that is disabling the cache facility of browsers?
Dunno.

I'm about ready for a new laptop anyway. If I go to that thread it gets slower and slower and the memory gets eaten up until it nearly grinds to a halt.
Oh well, back to the footy.

[Michael K Gray]

I have quite the most massive beasty of a PC on the planet (as you might know) and it takes it's own damn good time to load the MUSIC thread here; with two high-speed broad-band lines.
Perhaps it is a flaw in the phpBB software that is disabling the cache facility of browsers?
Dunno.

I'm about ready for a new laptop anyway. If I go to that thread it gets slower and slower and the memory gets eaten up until it nearly grinds to a halt.
Oh well, back to the footy.

Like youth, which is wasted on the young:- if I could offer you only one tip for the future:
When you purchase a new machine, ensure that you furnish it with as much RAM as it is able to harbour, irrespective of cost.

The rest of my advice has no basis more reliable than my own meandering experience.
But trust me.
In 20 years from now you will look back amd wish that you had 24Gb of RAM.
Don't waste your life on jealosy.
If you succeed in this, then tell me how.

Dance the funky chicken.

[Scented Nectar]

"Potrzebie?"
Pot what????
signed,
Confused

Potrzebie

Totally missed it if there were any in the issues I had.

[Michael K Gray]

"Potrzebie?"
Pot what????
signed,
Confused

Potrzebie

Totally missed it if there were any in the issues I had.

Prolly not ancient enuf.
Potrzebie was a catchword back in the late 50s, early 60's, before "foldins" were a glint in the milkman's eye.
Although MAD paperbacks from that era are still on sale at some second-hand book stalls, and likely eBlech as well.

[Scented Nectar]

"Potrzebie?"
Pot what????
signed,
Confused

Potrzebie

Totally missed it if there were any in the issues I had.

Prolly not ancient enuf.
Potrzebie was a catchword back in the late 50s, early 60's, before "foldins" were a glint in the milkman's eye.
Although MAD paperbacks from that era are still on sale at some second-hand book stalls, and likely eBlech as well.

All the ones I had were foldins. I'd like to see them all re-released in some sort of e-version on dvd someday.

[cunt]

Flash should limit its memory allocation to a percentage, no matter what machine it's running on. Around 15-25%. If it's going higher than that then you have some sort of bug/compatibility issue with the plugin.

If you haven't kept it up to date, then upgrade. If you have, uninstall it and revert to a previous version. Music thread allocates around 500mb (out of 4gb) on my machine and works fine.

[CommanderTuvok]

MKG: Your simple request for evidence from Ed didn't seem to make it. I know the Baboons and their allies don't really like to back up their claims with evidence - it affects the narrative!

Anyway, my comment just got through. (capped just in case it goes down the memory hole)



Anyway, yet again we see Ophelia crying like a baby about Vacula over the most trivial reasons, while she fully supports Laden.

[Tigzy]

Now, why was Vacula appointed and who is responsible? Until these questions are very clearly and openly answered, the SCA will not have my support.

Well, I see something good has come out of Justin's appointment already.

It's not exactly her weight that I am referring to, it is the fact she has gone "pear shaped" in more ways than one.

It's something beyond the weight. It was obvious at her wedding. At first I thought she just chose a dress that was not flattering, then I thought it was the dress, and dreadful posture, then I realised it was not the dress at all. (noticing it wasn't a "chick thing", it was mentioned numerous times by both men and women.) It's odd, especially when one reminds themselves of her age. It would have been difficult to overlook.

I always thought it obvious that Watson was towing along a massive arse. His name's PZ.

[John D]

My suggestion to the group (at least to those who are US citizens). Please write a letter, or email to Secular Coalition for America and express your support. I have donate to this group for years and they are doing real work organizing a political movement in support of secularism. They are focused on keeping religion and the state separated. They are not Democrat or Republican. They are focused on a mission to strengthen secularism in the US and I think they are doing good work.

SCA are again being harassed by the baboons who are attacking Justin Vacula. We should show our dedication and support to SCA. I will email SCA today and tell them to stay above the petty attacks and that I support the appointment of Justin.

[John D]

http://secular.org/contact

Send your emails of support for Edwin Rogers and Justin Vacula to SCA at the link above. I have been very impressed with the hard work Edwina has been doing for SCA in setting up local chapters and working at the Federal level. If you donate to SCA let them know. If you don't yet donate please consider your first time donation to show support.

[Mister_Kolle]

http://secular.org/contact

Send your emails of support for Edwin Rogers and Justin Vacula to SCA at the link above. I have been very impressed with the hard work Edwina has been doing for SCA in setting up local chapters and working at the Federal level. If you donate to SCA let them know. If you don't yet donate please consider your first time donation to show support.

Edwina Rogers.

[JackRayner]

I can not tell you how surprised I was to discover the "hook up" culture. It would have been so easy for me not notice it either.

What the hell is "hook up culture", anyway? Can anyone explain this for me? I feel like I should fit into the [Assumed, again, I have no idea. I've only head of this in passing, at it seems to refer to kids in my generation] age range [I'm 27] and, hell, I probably do, but it's as if I've missed the memo........ Or this another one of those things, like "Patriarchy", where I'm supposed to be a privileged member of society, but I'm so deep inside that I just can't see it?

[AndrewV69]

I can not tell you how surprised I was to discover the "hook up" culture. It would have been so easy for me not notice it either.

What the hell is "hook up culture", anyway? Can anyone explain this for me? I feel like I should fit into the [Assumed, again, I have no idea. I've only head of this in passing, at it seems to refer to kids in my generation] age range [I'm 27] and, hell, I probably do, but it's as if I've missed the memo........ Or this another one of those things, like "Patriarchy", where I'm supposed to be a privileged member of society, but I'm so deep inside that I just can't see it?

My introduction to "hook up" culture was when I was invited to socialize with a bunch of young people (long story) and took them up on it. They were all younger than you BTW, I judge the eldest were around 22-23.

We would met up at a bar downtown Toronto which had a dance floor. One of the girls asked me if I was going to dance after some of them went on to the floor, and I said yes under the mistaken impression that she was inviting me to dance with her. Well, to my surprise they were not dancing with a specific person, but as a group, and people joined and left the group at random.

Over the course of several events, and by observing and listening to them, I was also startled to discover that they would pair up seemingly at random for sex. None of them "dated". They just socialized and when the mood struck, a couple of them would leave together.

I never saw the same combination more than a couple of times. At the time I could not figure out how they determined who they were going to sleep with, and for all I know I had offers I was blind to (I am a bit of an aspie) but the whole thing was casual, no judgement whatsoever. If you did not feel like dancing no one seemed to mind, same if you got blotto or just drank water the whole night.

I was in my early 40s at the time, and the experience was an eye-opener. I had never met a more non-judgemental set of people like them before in my life. My first clue should have been that they would have invited someone nearly twice their age to socialize with them in public in the first place.

[Steersman]

On an unrelated note, why does Watson's twitter pic look like she just got done violently stuffing her face into a cherry pie? No, I'm not making a fat joke, it's just an odd-looking choice of picture is all I'm saying.

I thought she was trying to look all stabbed and bloody or something. Weird. Maybe atheists are stabbing her "constantly" these days instead of sexually assaulting her "constantly".

I just assumed it was her rage empowering her to rip out and devour the still beating heart of the nearest MCP MRA sexist misogynist oh hell - male. Or whatever phantasy power trip she was on that day.

Could be, but I think she's also pre-smeared her face with magical feminist period blood to make herself look more fierce and crazed.

Apoplexy, I think:

ap•o•plex•y (p-plks)
n.
1. Sudden impairment of neurological function, especially that resulting from a cerebral hemorrhage; a stroke.
2. A sudden effusion of blood into an organ or tissue.

from Greek apopl xi , from apopl ssein, apopl g-, to cripple by a stroke : apo-, intensive pref.; see apo- + pl ssein, to strike;

Entirely consistent with her Tweet about GalileoGate .... the perils of letting rage get the better of us ... but the photo may be her penance ....

[John Greg]

BREAKING NEWS

Stefunny InZvanity has now started a petition to have Justin Vacula removed from the SCA.

link: http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... coalition/

and

link: http://www.change.org/petitions/secular ... ter-of-sca

Jesus, these people really are mentally unsound and emotionally unblanced.

[mikelf]

BREAKING NEWS

Stefunny InZvanity has now started a petition to have Justin Vacula removed from the SCA.

link: http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... coalition/

and

link: http://www.change.org/petitions/secular ... ter-of-sca

Jesus, these people really are mentally unsound and emotionally unblanced.

Serves Justin right, as far as I am concerned. Who does he think he is going out and flaunting his getting-off-his-ass-going-out-into-a-hostile-environment-and-doing-real-activism privilege?

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Lulz at the first comment I found on that petition page:

Baldy Laden, Trailer City, Antarctica 1 minute ago Liked0
Coz I'm an idiot too

Ok, who was it? Own up!

[Steersman]

Lulz at the first comment I found on that petition page:

Baldy Laden, Trailer City, Antarctica 1 minute ago Liked0
Coz I'm an idiot too

Ok, who was it? Own up!

I wish I could say (truthfully) that I had – in part because it would be proof that I had managed to buy a sense of humour ....

[Za-zen]

This is the same stefunny who ranted about the petition to have watson removed from the podcast as misogyny and bullying lol.

We all know in actuallity it is stefanny and her moron friends at ftb who engage in the real, savage underhand games and tactics to destroy people, whilst wailing out the faux narrative of victimhood. Followed by a troop of idiots who repeat their bullshit, like justin doc dropping, whilst completely ignoring real doc dropping and worse. Fox news fans have a better sense of reality, logic, and balance, than the fuckwits who pronounce themselves atheist skeptics of the ftb flavour.

[Za-zen]

This is the same stefunny who ranted about the petition to have watson removed from the podcast as misogyny and bullying lol.

We all know in actuallity it is stefanny and her moron friends at ftb who engage in the real, savage underhand games and tactics to destroy people, whilst wailing out the faux narrative of victimhood. Followed by a troop of idiots who repeat their bullshit, like justin doc dropping, whilst completely ignoring real doc dropping and worse. Fox news fans have a better sense of reality, logic, and balance, than the fuckwits who pronounce themselves atheist skeptics of the ftb flavour.

[JackRayner]

I can not tell you how surprised I was to discover the "hook up" culture. It would have been so easy for me not notice it either.

What the hell is "hook up culture", anyway? Can anyone explain this for me? I feel like I should fit into the [Assumed, again, I have no idea. I've only head of this in passing, at it seems to refer to kids in my generation] age range [I'm 27] and, hell, I probably do, but it's as if I've missed the memo........ Or this another one of those things, like "Patriarchy", where I'm supposed to be a privileged member of society, but I'm so deep inside that I just can't see it?

My introduction to "hook up" culture was when I was invited to socialize with a bunch of young people (long story) and took them up on it. They were all younger than you BTW, I judge the eldest were around 22-23.

We would met up at a bar downtown Toronto which had a dance floor. One of the girls asked me if I was going to dance after some of them went on to the floor, and I said yes under the mistaken impression that she was inviting me to dance with her. Well, to my surprise they were not dancing with a specific person, but as a group, and people joined and left the group at random.

Over the course of several events, and by observing and listening to them, I was also startled to discover that they would pair up seemingly at random for sex. None of them "dated". They just socialized and when the mood struck, a couple of them would leave together.

I never saw the same combination more than a couple of times. At the time I could not figure out how they determined who they were going to sleep with, and for all I know I had offers I was blind to (I am a bit of an aspie) but the whole thing was casual, no judgement whatsoever. If you did not feel like dancing no one seemed to mind, same if you got blotto or just drank water the whole night.

Oh... That! I just call that hanging out, getting drunk/high, and hooking up with the first person that gives you a boner/gets you wet. No clubs or dancing necessary!

Joking aside though, and being that I'm one of those people that rejects the majority of statements that begin with "back in the day", I don't believe that this is anything new. [Not implying that you were claiming such. It's how I see the alarmists presenting it often though...] This type of "scene" or "culture" has always been around, whether we were privy to it or not. And now that I think a little further, it's probably not age dependent either. The last time I paired up in such an arbitrary [as in, everything beyond physical attraction is inconsequential] manner, the woman was ten years my senior.

Something I've noticed, from time spent around such groups, is that there's kind of an unspoken rule against the use of shaming tactics commonly seen in society at large. None of this "I licked this piece of candy first so it's mine" kind of stuff. Inclusion to such a relaxed group [Weren't always hook ups. Sometimes you'd just make out, or engage in some lesser form of intimate contact. The conversation was always fun too.] seemed more important than having someone all to yourself. Some are less than fine and dandy about seeing someone they're interested in take interest in, and become momentarily involved with someone else, but they kinda know that they'll stop being invited to hang out if they air their displeasure. Sure, there were some hurt feelings here and there, [and there was nothing "egalitarian" about who got action, personal choice was very much in effect] and it would be the type of "secret" that everyone in the group knew, but it was something individuals were left to deal with on their own...

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Sent a quick mail to SCA. I know it probably won't help, but that's all I can do:

Dear SCA.

First of all, I am sorry I never donated, as I was not aware of your organization before, and live in France.

I would like to congratulate you on the election of Justin Vacula for Pennsylvania state. You have elected a very able, charismatic, and overall sweet person. He will do you good.

I would urge you not to pay attention to his detractors, a currently "fringe" group of obsessed, paranoid bloggers. They are loud, but as the saying goes: a dog that barks doesnt bite.

Anyway, congratulations on the new addition. I'm sure Justin will do tremendous work for SCA.

All the best.

Phil Giordana, Nice, France.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Lulz at the first comment I found on that petition page:

Baldy Laden, Trailer City, Antarctica 1 minute ago Liked0
Coz I'm an idiot too

Ok, who was it? Own up!

I wish I could say (truthfully) that I had – in part because it would be proof that I had managed to buy a sense of humour ....

Steers, always take my comments tongue in cheek...

[JackRayner]

Oh... That! I just call that hanging out, getting drunk/high, and hooking up with the first person that gives you a boner/gets you wet. No clubs or dancing necessary!

Joking aside though, and being that I'm one of those people that rejects the majority of statements that begin with "back in the day", I don't believe that this is anything new. [Not implying that you were claiming such. It's how I see the alarmists presenting it often though...] This type of "scene" or "culture" has always been around, whether we were privy to it or not. And now that I think a little further, it's probably not age dependent either. The last time I paired up in such an arbitrary [as in, everything beyond physical attraction is inconsequential] manner, the woman was ten years my senior.

Something I've noticed, from time spent around such groups, is that there's kind of an unspoken rule against the use of shaming tactics commonly seen in society at large. None of this "I licked this piece of candy first so it's mine" kind of stuff. Inclusion to such a relaxed group [Weren't always hook ups. Sometimes you'd just make out, or engage in some lesser form of intimate contact. The conversation was always fun too.] seemed more important than having someone all to yourself. Some are less than fine and dandy about seeing someone they're interested in take interest in, and become momentarily involved with someone else, but they kinda know that they'll stop being invited to hang out if they air their displeasure. Sure, there were some hurt feelings here and there, [and there was nothing "egalitarian" about who got action, personal choice was very much in effect] and it would be the type of "secret" that everyone in the group knew, but it was something individuals were left to deal with on their own...

Why, after reading what I wrote, am I getting this "No, duh!" type of feeling? This wasn't too much of a totally fucking obvious contribution, was it?

I think I need to get out more...

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

Sad times over at FfTB: Meyers has just posted the news that he is disabling comments on his YouTube videos. Instead, he is going to invite people to follow a link back to his blog to comment on the stories there.

Fuck! Have we damaged the poor old crank's credibility and viewership to the point where he's realized that YT commenters are actually on an intellectual level with The Horde?

Hehe! Poor old cunt.

[bhoytony]

Sad times over at FfTB: Meyers has just posted the news that he is disabling comments on his YouTube videos. Instead, he is going to invite people to follow a link back to his blog to comment on the stories there.

Fuck! Have we damaged the poor old crank's credibility and viewership to the point where he's realized that YT commenters are actually on an intellectual level with The Horde?

Hehe! Poor old cunt.

Probably needs the money these views of his site will generate. Times are hard over at FfTB

[Badger3k]

Sad times over at FfTB: Meyers has just posted the news that he is disabling comments on his YouTube videos. Instead, he is going to invite people to follow a link back to his blog to comment on the stories there.

Fuck! Have we damaged the poor old crank's credibility and viewership to the point where he's realized that YT commenters are actually on an intellectual level with The Horde?

Hehe! Poor old cunt.

Probably needs the money these views of his site will generate. Times are hard over at FfTB

That was my first thought. Plus, given the abilities of the average youtube commenter, they might give the regular baboons a run for their money. And that wasn't a compliment.

[Tigzy]

BREAKING NEWS

Stefunny InZvanity has now started a petition to have Justin Vacula removed from the SCA.

link: http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... coalition/

and

link: http://www.change.org/petitions/secular ... ter-of-sca

Jesus, these people really are mentally unsound and emotionally unblanced.

Frickin had an idea Steffy would do something like this - she's been shitting fury over this. I think a nice email to the SCA detailing the kind of people Stephanie associates with *coughLaden* might be appropriate. Of course, it is daming her by association. Just like what she's doing with Justin. Oh well.

[bhoytony]

BREAKING NEWS

Stefunny InZvanity has now started a petition to have Justin Vacula removed from the SCA.

link: http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... coalition/

and

link: http://www.change.org/petitions/secular ... ter-of-sca

Jesus, these people really are mentally unsound and emotionally unblanced.

Frickin had an idea Steffy would do something like this - she's been shitting fury over this. I think a nice email to the SCA detailing the kind of people Stephanie associates with *coughLaden* might be appropriate. Of course, it is daming her by association. Just like what she's doing with Justin. Oh well.

Laden (the real one) was the first arsehole to sign that petition. Probably cooked it up between them.

[Gumby]

My suggestion to the group (at least to those who are US citizens). Please write a letter, or email to Secular Coalition for America and express your support. I have donate to this group for years and they are doing real work organizing a political movement in support of secularism. They are focused on keeping religion and the state separated. They are not Democrat or Republican. They are focused on a mission to strengthen secularism in the US and I think they are doing good work.

SCA are again being harassed by the baboons who are attacking Justin Vacula. We should show our dedication and support to SCA. I will email SCA today and tell them to stay above the petty attacks and that I support the appointment of Justin.

Good idea, and I did just that.

Just a comment to show my support for the recent appointment of Justin Vacula to a leadership position in the PA state chapter. You guys will more than likely be attacked by the Freethoughtblogs/Atheismplus extremists, but I just wanted you to know there are plenty of people who agree with your appointment of Vacula. He is hard working, diligent and I know he will make your organization even better than it has been in the past. Don't let the shrieking and bullying of a perpetually angry, agenda-driven minority keep you from doing the important work you do.

(name deleted)

[CommanderTuvok]

Lulz at the first comment I found on that petition page:

Baldy Laden, Trailer City, Antarctica 1 minute ago Liked0
Coz I'm an idiot too

Ok, who was it? Own up!

It is usually me who comes up with the trailer references, but sadly, I can't take the credit for that one.

[justinvacula]

Thanks for the support everyone. Please do send the letters to the Secular Coalition

[bhoytony]

I see that Jason Thibidooobeedoo (the real one) has signed the petition twice. I demand a recount.
It's a fucking dogs dinner over there. I'm sure the SCA will take it very seriously when it arrives in their inbox.

[ERV]

Thanks for the support everyone. Please do send the letters to the Secular Coalition

Well, I mean they keep pulling stunts like this as if they are catching anyone by surprise.

"I KNOW! Lets send hate mail to NatGeo about Abbie!" As if NatGeo didnt know what they were buying into when they bought out a blog group that included PZ-desecrating-crackers-Myers. As if NatGeo hasnt gotten piles of hate mail/angry phone calls about me regarding the XMRV fiasco. As if NatGeo, a publishing organization that has been around for seemingly forever and has published countless 'controversial' articles/covers/magazines/etc, will be shocked and horrified by hate-mail to censor one of their writers.

"I KNOW! Lets send hate mail to Abbies department head!" As if my dept head and I havent already had discussions about my blog. As if we have not discussed, as reasonable, responsible adults, what my free-speech rights are as a student, and what my dept head expects from me as a student. As if I havent actually already had these discussions with not only this department head, but the last one, and my boss, and the dean of graduate students. As if they havent already gotten hate-mail about me from XMRV psychos, HIV Deniers, Creationists, etc.

"I KNOW! Lets harass SCA about Vacula!" As if any/all major corporations base their hiring decisions on the opinions of internet mobs. As if they didnt all already burn their credibility with SCA with their asinine response to Edwina. As if SCA hasnt already dealt with this kind of lynch mob with Edwina, and have seen how she has worked out well despite the mob. Yeah, lets try the exact same thing that didnt work with Edwina on Justin!

Theyre fucking retards.

[Steersman]

BREAKING NEWS

Stefunny InZvanity has now started a petition to have Justin Vacula removed from the SCA.

link: http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... coalition/

and

link: http://www.change.org/petitions/secular ... ter-of-sca

Jesus, these people really are mentally unsound and emotionally unblanced.

Just made this comment over on Zvan’s petition post. But since it is likely to remain in moderation until the Second Coming of Christ – or until the A+Theists reach a conclusion, and my money is on the former – here it is in all its glory, such as it is:


Additional links in the post: “... Jason Thibeault’s “Apology” and Justin Vacula’s comments in Jason’s previous post ....”

[Badger3k]

Thanks for the support everyone. Please do send the letters to the Secular Coalition

I just did. I tried to keep it polite, and referred to your detractors as people whose idea of activism is to whine on blogs and try to get people fired. Your kind of activism is what's needed. I get the idea that Steffunny and her ilk are the old, bitter people who see that they have no talent or will or ability to do what others do, so they try to reduce them to their level so that they can feel good about themselves, if only for a little while.

[CommanderTuvok]

Thanks for the support everyone. Please do send the letters to the Secular Coalition

Keep your chin up, Justin. They have shown beyond reasonable doubt that they are beneath contempt.

Stefunny Svan has shown herself to be one of the very worst bullies - and have you noticed Greg Laden is again lurking around when the slavering dogs are in for the kill.

[CommanderTuvok]

The latest insanity...



Apparently, appointing Justin to that position is racist, or summat.

[Trophy]

Blaghag also attacked Hemant a while back, I think before elevatorgate. He did a post on celebrity atheists. One was a picture of a shirtless Ricky Gervais with the word atheist written on his chest. Hemant wrote that everyone knew Gervais was an atheist, but he just wanted to post the picture.

The rest of his post was about Kari Bryon of Mythbusters. He wrote a full bio of her and ended with a photo of her (not shirtless, very tame) and wrote that he just wanted to post her photo.

Jen went batshit and wrote her own post criticizing Hemant, basically saying that he was sexualizing Bryon.

If anyone requests it, I can attempt to find the relevant links.

First, relevant links: this and then this.

You know, Jen has some sort of a point. I mean, I can agree to disagree as long as she maintains her point of view consistently. But the problem with these folks is that they do not. I don't know about Jen but I know that many of her supporters are hypocrites. For example, Alexa comments that:

Alexa:
Still, why play into that sexist trope when you don't have to? You could have said, "Kari is awesome. I love a woman who is sexy and intelligent!" That's a line that acknowledges both her mind and her looks; it doesn't dismiss her thoughts and opinions. I know you probably didn't mean it like it came off, but that line definitely made me ( a woman) feel uncomfortable.

I have seen many men being shot down as sexist pigs for saying exactly that. If he has said something like that, they would even make a bigger fuss about him sexualizing women. It's all gifts from the bullshit mountain.

[CommanderTuvok]

Just this mean that any campaign to remove Queen Bee from the SGU podcast is totes justified now?

I mean, she is completely unsuitable, has a history of bullying people, is on friendly terms with a pro-violence campaigner, has been caught out lying, was booted off a forum because she abused moderator privileges, sexually harassed people at conventions...and knows fuck all about science or skepticism.

[bhoytony]

I see that slimy turd oolon is over at Stefunny's blog sticking the knife into Justin.

[Tigzy]

My little contribution to the SCA:

I am just writing this in support of Justin Vacula's appointment to your organisation, which is currently being criticised by a small yet vociferous number of bloggers. In particular, Stephanie Zvan of FreeThought Blogs has raised an issue about this, to the extent that she has set up a petition against Justin's appointment.

It should be noted that Ms Zvan remains friendly with a former fellow FreeThought blogger called Greg Laden, a man who was dismissed from that blog network for making a threat of violence against another blogger on that network: http://freethoughtblogs.com/rockbeyondb ... -guys-win/

The next day, Ms Svan made a post detailing how she was going to serve on various panels alongside Mr Laden at the 2012 Skepchickon: http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... -schedule/

And sometime later, she posted in defence of Laden's remarks on the panel 'Vive Le Difference', of which she was also a panellist: http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... ed-brains/

You'll note that at no point has she ever condemned Mr Laden for his threat, and in fact has often defended him on certain issues, including the one mentioned above. Given the fact that Ms Zvan was not sufficiently moved by Mr Laden's threatening email to his co-blogger to defer from sharing panel space with him, nor even condemn for him it all, then it's probable that Ms Zvan's campaign against Justin Vacula is motivated more by personal animosity than genuine concern. After all, if Ms Zvan was that concerned by such things, then she would surely have at least raised an issue against Mr Laden sitting on the 'Don't Feed The Trolls' panel, where 'A discussion about the recent wave of internet bullying against women and what we can do about it.' took place. Again, Ms Zvan was not sufficiently moved by Mr Laden's threats to suggest that Mr Laden would be unsuitable for this panel.

Regards

Saved all the webpages referred to here, just in case...

[JackRayner]

Blaghag also attacked Hemant a while back, I think before elevatorgate. He did a post on celebrity atheists. One was a picture of a shirtless Ricky Gervais with the word atheist written on his chest. Hemant wrote that everyone knew Gervais was an atheist, but he just wanted to post the picture.

The rest of his post was about Kari Bryon of Mythbusters. He wrote a full bio of her and ended with a photo of her (not shirtless, very tame) and wrote that he just wanted to post her photo.

Jen went batshit and wrote her own post criticizing Hemant, basically saying that he was sexualizing Bryon.

If anyone requests it, I can attempt to find the relevant links.

First, relevant links: this and then this.

You know, Jen has some sort of a point.

What point? That because "too many people" only appreciate women for their looks making any joke about it is an issue? All that amounts to is "I didn't like the joke". That's actually a pretty uncompelling "point". Or maybe I'm missing something?

[Tigzy]

And now PZ squeaks one out as regards the SCA thing: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/09/29/i-guess-the-secular-coalition-for-america-will-let-just-anyone-volunteer/

Come on, SCA. Exercise some care and vet your volunteers better. After Edwina Rogers, we need some confidence-builders in the organization, and learning that they’ve made this awfully stupid appointment does NOT fill me with confidence. Why would you want a guy who posted an op-ed on AVoiceForMen, a hate site, and who posts the home addresses of a woman he dislikes on another hate site, as a candidate to represent a state organization?

Of course, it could just be that the organization is so desperate for volunteer help that they’ll take the dregs. That’s not a confidence builder, either.

There’s a petition. Unfortunately, it’s already full of trolls using fake names — change.org really needs to tighten up their procedures. These petitions already reek of uselessness, and the fact that they’re so easily gamed makes them totally pointless.

Silly old fart.

[bhoytony]

And now PZ squeaks one out as regards the SCA thing: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/09/29/i-guess-the-secular-coalition-for-america-will-let-just-anyone-volunteer/

There’s a petition. Unfortunately, it’s already full of trolls using fake names — change.org really needs to tighten up their procedures. These petitions already reek of uselessness, and the fact that they’re so easily gamed makes them totally pointless.

Silly old fart.

I hope Steffy reads that and chokes on the fact that her hero PeeZus thinks her grand idea "reeks of uselessness".

[SkepticalCat]

It absolutely pisses me off to no end to see these bastards going after young people like Justin Vacula and Abbie Smith. Not that I think they're incapable of defending themselves, but when I think about what life was like for me when I was in my mid-20s - trying to find a job, debating whether to pursue a graduate degree, dealing with the death of a parent - and then imagining having to do all those things while also having a bunch of jerks trying to interfere with my livelihood because I believe in uncensored speech and reject Victimhood Culture - I become very angry! Zvan, Myers, Benson, Watson, Laden, etc. - you people are behaving in an utterly loathsome manner. If you're wondering why interest in FreeThoughBlogs is declining you need only look in the mirror.

Especially disappointing to see Ed Brayton chime in as he did against Justin. He's generally stayed out of this mess rather than siding vocally with the baboons, which led me to think there was some hope for him, but I have just deleted my bookmark to his blog. No more FTB for me!

[acathode]

Sad times over at FfTB: Meyers has just posted the news that he is disabling comments on his YouTube videos. Instead, he is going to invite people to follow a link back to his blog to comment on the stories there.

Fuck! Have we damaged the poor old crank's credibility and viewership to the point where he's realized that YT commenters are actually on an intellectual level with The Horde?

Hehe! Poor old cunt.

Probably needs the money these views of his site will generate. Times are hard over at FfTB

He really only have one video up that get any traffic - the thunderf00t one. It was on it's way to getting a nice red lightsaber with something around 50-60% dislikes and steadily rising, and 8-9/10th of the comments were negative for a long time.

It's not about the revenue, it's all about silencing the dissenters and hiding the fact that these people have lost a lot of reputation among the "regular Joe" atheists, those people that for example just watch some youtube videos and leave a comment or two. Myers getting chewed out and a fat thumbs down in the comment section on his own video makes him lose face, and that's something he can't allow. He's basically using the same kind of logic as the typical creationist youtuber, who disable their comments and like/dislike bars for the exact same reasons.

FTB in general, and Myers in particular, seem to have a deep aversion to free discussion, where people are allowed to disagree and point out flaws and errors in the FTBers reasoning. FTB meet those sorts of things with various brute attempts to silence them, and not with reason and superior arguments of the kind that one would expect from people that are not only active, but even aspire to lead, in a community where reason, skepticism and logic are seen as the cornerstones for their world-view.

From their carefully moderated comment sections, to their attacks on other forums, to their false DMCA abuses, to trying to get the EVR blog shut down, to Greg Ladens RL harassments, their need to always control the discussion and to silence dissenters that threaten their narrative seem to be everywhere. Even the recent hate against SCA and Justin could be argued stems from a need for them to control what is being said, and who is allowed to speak.

I view Myers shutting down the youtube comments as a natural next step due to this thinking, and I'm surprised he even allowed them in the first place. It'll be interesting if the rest of the FTBers follow suit though, most of the people/videos connected to A+ and FTB on youtube are growing their own red lightsabers, even Matt Dillahunty is sporting something like 20-30% dislikes on his videos where he talks about A+...

[Guest]

With all the resentment towards Justin I'd read over at FTB, the first time I went to his site I was expecting some MRA-esque shit. I knew not to expect anything to the extent that could be assumed from the outrage in their comments, but when I went there I was genuinely surprised at how perfectly reasonable and civil all the posts were and how they were truly skeptical in their assessment of arguments. I consider myself quite impartial to the whole brouhaha and think that anyone else fairly level-headed would be able to see the value of his arguments. For all the pride that they take in pointing out the logical fallacies in the arguments of others, they seem remarkably unaware of how much they create straw men in arguments themselves.

It's part of a trend that I think is pretty clear to those who have been on the net for a while, where to really gain the upperhand in an argument you have to assert yourself on a pedestal above your 'opponent'. Nearly every thread I read at FTB involves users trying to 'win by condescension' - 'Oh, *scoff* I'm so bored by these arguments" (read: I'm trying to dismiss your comments on the basis that they are beneath me), the unusual predilection for them to call others "Cupcake" because they have limited their vocabulary regarding insults (read: I'm trying to belittle you and by proxy insinuate that your argument is beneath me, see previous) or the typical brush-off "Your concern is noted" (read: despite what you are saying, we've predetermined it's useless so we are trying to belittle you whilst we dismiss your argument). I'm sure you'll see it in the next lengthy comment section over there, it's a silly tactic that is repeatedly employed.

Anyway, I think Justin more than presents himself well. His ability to remain civil in the face of aggression is certainly an attribute that you would want in a leader. I was worried that his post at A Voice for Men would - again - have been some silly MRA-type thing, but no, I see that it is just an opinion piece on the Surly Amy TAM incident. Whether or not readers are in agreeance with him regarding that post is of course an individual matter, but I think it is quite obvious that an objective reading of that does not lead to accusations of "misogyny".

Just a couple of extra thoughts regarding censorship: the treatment of ERV by some FTB users, whereby I heard that some even contacted her department to notify them of a perceived lack of professionalism (is that right?) makes me hesitant to use my personal email address when posting there. I'm not saying that this itself is censorship, but an environment which can make one feel hesitant to post without the worry of being vilified for expressing an unpopular opinion (not hard to do there, despite being a firm believer in social justice) is not conducive to productive discussion imo. That is just my view, maybe I just need to harden up, and it might be because I'm more sensitive to criticism than the next person, but I have tried changing my email address there just in case I did rub someone the wrong way and they attempted to seek me out on Facebook or Twitter etc. Something that I did find ironic though was a comment (not sure which thread it was in) where someone bragged about tearing down some MRA posters that they saw in their town. I can imagine it was probably advertising stupidity anyway (I think a lot of the MRA stuff is drivel and consider myself - shock horror to those at FTB (and maybe here too) - a feminist) but the idea that you have the right to tear down someone else's posters because you simply disagree with them is ridiculous. Just because you are on what I would perceive to be the "right" side of the debate, you do not have the right to vandalise or literally tear down the speech of those that oppose you. I think that flies completely in the opposite direction of free speech, especially when you are being targeting specifically due to what you are saying.

[ERV]

Guest-- I dont know what info FfTB gets, but I get the following:
Username
Email
IP#

Which means I know that 'two people' are the same person if they only change their username and email. I can easily search for the old name/email from the matching IP#.

I do not recommend anyone casually post there with real names/emails/IP#s unless you dont mind being d0xed. Changing your name/email is not enough.

[Baron]

http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/ ... -big-goof/

The Secular Coalition of America’s Big Goof
Posted by Greg Laden on September 29, 2012

"But it is not. Much more recently, the SCA appointed as a co-director for one of its state groups a guy who has developed a very firm reputation as a Mens Rights Advocate and overall Sexist Misogynist Creep. Or at least, so it appears."

Vacula published a piece on Men’s Rights Activist site “A Voice for Men” in which he attacks modern feminism and equates feminists with vampires and piles on with the attacks already underway designed to silence the Skepchicks (a group of women skeptics with whom I’ve worked for a few years) in particular Amy Roth Davis

This act and related activities by Vacula clearly place him in the camp of anti-feminist anti-women pro-sexist activists who should not be leaders in a humanist movement which does, pretty much, have liberal and progressive political values. He has also been a regular member of the famous “slime pit” which, sadly, was a product of this very blog network (though it has been expunged).

Apparently, Vacula has been criticized for being less than smart i the arguments he’s made about various legal positions, and for showing poor leadership.

[CommanderTuvok]

Oolon says "Justin is well known for his shameless self promotion it seems"

What? Like PZ Myers? Ophelia Benson? Stefunny Svan? Scurvy Amy? Plus all those other retards at FfTB.

Justin actually gets things done at roots level. The Baboons do fuck all, except stick their fingers up their rectums and then sniff them to get high.

Oh, and Oolon, we always knew you were a wankstain.

[CommanderTuvok]

I do not recommend anyone casually post there with real names/emails/IP#s unless you dont mind being d0xed. Changing your name/email is not enough.

Sound advice. These bullies have shown their colours when it comes to leaking personal information. PZ, Surly Amy, Rebecca Watson and Greg Laden have all done it. ALWAYS use a proxy/tor when visiting their cesspits.

[Sulaco]

Ol' TP* Greg really needs to stop huffing model glue.

* That can stand for Trailer Park or toilet paper given the shit that he continuously spews.

[Steersman]

.... Something that I did find ironic though was a comment (not sure which thread it was in) where someone bragged about tearing down some MRA posters that they saw in their town. I can imagine it was probably advertising stupidity anyway (I think a lot of the MRA stuff is drivel and consider myself - shock horror to those at FTB (and maybe here too) - a feminist) but the idea that you have the right to tear down someone else's posters because you simply disagree with them is ridiculous. Just because you are on what I would perceive to be the "right" side of the debate, you do not have the right to vandalise or literally tear down the speech of those that oppose you.

Exactly. While I too am more than a little skeptical about the Voice for Men site, I think there’s some justification for arguing that at least some aspects of the FTB/Skepchick/A+Theism position are quite a bit worse. For instance, you might be interested in these posts (here & here) from A Voice for Men about the feminist vandalism in Vancouver and this A+Theism post gleefully recounting the involvement of some A+Theists/feminists in that vandalism ....

[Steersman]

Oolon says "Justin is well known for his shameless self promotion it seems"

What? Like PZ Myers? Ophelia Benson? Stefunny Svan? Scurvy Amy? Plus all those other retards at FfTB.

Justin actually gets things done at roots level. The Baboons do fuck all, except stick their fingers up their rectums and then sniff them to get high.

Oh, and Oolon, we always knew you were a wankstain.

Speak for yourself CommanderTuvok.

I figure Oolong, among a few others apparently, at least tries to give the SlymePit the benefit of the doubt and is not as quick as many others to tar us all with the same brush ....

[CommanderTuvok]

I figure Oolong, among a few others apparently, at least tries to give the SlymePit the benefit of the doubt and is not as quick as many others to tar us all with the same brush ....

He's still wrong about JC. I couldn't care less if he gives the Pit the benefit of the doubt.

[bhoytony]

Something that I did find ironic though was a comment (not sure which thread it was in) where someone bragged about tearing down some MRA posters that they saw in their town. I can imagine it was probably advertising stupidity anyway.

Now I generally find the MRA's a bit silly, but this is the poster we are talking about. It's hardly the KKK.

[bhoytony]

I figure Oolong, among a few others apparently, at least tries to give the SlymePit the benefit of the doubt and is not as quick as many others to tar us all with the same brush ....

He's still wrong about JC. I couldn't care less if he gives the Pit the benefit of the doubt.

JC? have you had a vision on the road to Damascus?

[Steersman]

I figure Oolong, among a few others apparently, at least tries to give the SlymePit the benefit of the doubt and is not as quick as many others to tar us all with the same brush ....

He's still wrong about JC. I couldn't care less if he gives the Pit the benefit of the doubt.

I assume you mean JV? Though I’ll agree to the extent that I think he’s very wide of the mark with this comment over there:

As for the petition, well I have reservations painting the slimepitters as all unremittingly awful but I wouldn’t want Vacula as a leader of any group I was involved in. His writing for a voice for men alone would rule that out. How could he read the comments from his ‘readers’ on that post and not retch? I don’t doubt some of the extreme hate for people like Amy come from the nuts that hang out there. So for encouraging that I voted him down one…

That there might be more than a few “nuts who hang out there” is hardly justification for arguing that Justin’s post was in any way reflective or consistent with the comments from them. Rather sloppy thinking on oolon’s part methinks ....

I couldn't care less if he gives the Pit the benefit of the doubt.

If you think that what you and other “Pitters” have to say is worth saying and disseminating to the widest possible audience then I would think that you might want to be more supportive of those who have some credibility in those venues and who promote that idea. Doing otherwise seems to bear some resemblance to shooting oneself in the foot ....

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

Some cunt called "chigau" whines that Meyers's redirection of YT commenters to his own blog hasn't yet delivered the goods:

It’s been, what, four hours.
Where are they?

You sad cunt. I thought Meyers's Horde believed themselves above all others, intellectually. And that you were all happy to chirp and whistle in your cage, discussing important shit like how best to bleach Meyers's ass.

So shouldn't you be happy that you aren't being infested by the cunts who comment on YT? They're hardly going to raise the level of discussion at Pharyngula are they?

Are they?

[CommanderTuvok]

Yes, of course I meant JV.

Although like JC, JV is getting crucified at the moment!!!

[astrokid.nj]

Vandalism is ok as long as you have "progressive politics" on your side. Its "freedom of expression". Mona says so.

[JackRayner]

Vandalism is ok as long as you have "progressive politics" on your side. Its "freedom of expression". Mona says so.

Saw that a few nights ago. By the actions of people like this, you'd figure plenty is justified if you feel strongly enough about it...

Not much difference, when compared to religion. At least a lot theists have the fear of eternal hell fire for not complying with their dogma. In my opinion, non-religious ideologues like this, who adhere to their dogma fervently, to the point of unlawful, morally reprehensible behavior, are even worse. It's why I've become almost completely disinterested in theists since I jumped into this ordeal (the endless drama factories that are Skepchick, FftB, and so on) earlier this year. There's just something wildly interesting about seeing self-proclaimed skeptics and champions of reason fail so fucking hard!

Saying that I'm just here for the LOLs wouldn't really cover it all...

[astrokid.nj]

...
Not much difference, when compared to religion. At least a lot theists have the fear of eternal hell fire for not complying with their dogma. In my opinion, non-religious ideologues like this, who adhere to their dogma fervently, to the point of unlawful, morally reprehensible behavior, are even worse. It's why I've become almost completely disinterested in theists since I jumped into this ordeal (the endless drama factories that are Skepchick, FftB, and so on) earlier this year. There's just something wildly interesting about seeing self-proclaimed skeptics and champions of reason fail so fucking hard!...

Agreed. I was listening to this interview with Hitch.. where he concedes this point right away. And later on (Part2), Prager brings in feminism and communism as competing ideologies.

If there is one thing that I am fascinated about after all this, its psychology and how its changed over time due to environmental and cultural pressures. Any pointers to entry-level literature on this will be appreciated. I get a feeling that its pathological altruists that lead these modern ideologies.

[astrokid.nj]

Guys, Get your tickets soon. Our favourite baboons are gonna be speaking. PeeZus and Becky not included (yet).

[Badger3k]

And now PZ squeaks one out as regards the SCA thing: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/09/29/i-guess-the-secular-coalition-for-america-will-let-just-anyone-volunteer/

Come on, SCA. Exercise some care and vet your volunteers better. After Edwina Rogers, we need some confidence-builders in the organization, and learning that they’ve made this awfully stupid appointment does NOT fill me with confidence. Why would you want a guy who posted an op-ed on AVoiceForMen, a hate site, and who posts the home addresses of a woman he dislikes on another hate site, as a candidate to represent a state organization?

Of course, it could just be that the organization is so desperate for volunteer help that they’ll take the dregs. That’s not a confidence builder, either.

There’s a petition. Unfortunately, it’s already full of trolls using fake names — change.org really needs to tighten up their procedures. These petitions already reek of uselessness, and the fact that they’re so easily gamed makes them totally pointless.

Silly old fart.

Funny - all that time "pharyngulating" online polls, showing how useless they are, and he just discovers that online petitions suffer the same flaws? Orly? What a tool.

[Badger3k]

Guys, Get your tickets soon. Our favourite baboons are gonna be speaking. PeeZus and Becky not included (yet).

I think Awfeelia and reGreta are going to be there - it was on the A-news podcast or something else I listened to. I guess they'll let anybody speak for them, especially those who hang out with makers of "terroristic threats" - to use the vernacular of today.

[AndrewV69]

A Voice for Men excoriated the SPLC here:

http://www.avoiceformen.com/misandry/sy ... ured-hate/

I also thought of the baboons and the usual suspects when I read this part:

The Soviet Union’s first leader, Vladimir Lenin, explained, “We can and must write in a language which sows among the masses hate, revulsion, and scorn toward those who disagree with us.

[Trophy]

What point? That because "too many people" only appreciate women for their looks making any joke about it is an issue? All that amounts to is "I didn't like the joke". That's actually a pretty uncompelling "point". Or maybe I'm missing something?

The point could be "too many people only appreciate women for their looks so let's be very careful when we post things online". You might not agree with it but it's another point of view and as I said, I would respect that point of view as long as it is maintained consistently.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

I hate sunday mornings! Activity here gets pretty low, like everyone is in church or something.

Or maybe just resting after a hard week of work, in which case: rest well!

This was my totz useless thread bump...

The point could be "too many people only appreciate women for their looks so let's be very careful when we post things online". You might not agree with it but it's another point of view and as I said, I would respect that point of view as long as it is maintained consistently.

Same goes for women in regard to men. Let's not make it a one-sided issue, please.

[Johann the Cabbie]

I hate sunday mornings! Activity here gets pretty low, like everyone is in church or something.

Or maybe just resting after a hard week of work, in which case: rest well!

Or nursing hangovers.

Same goes for women in regard to men. Let's not make it a one-sided issue, please.

In the same post, Hemant also posted a photo of a shirtless Gervais with the same joke about just wanting to post his picture. No one complained about him sexualizing Gervais, which is terribly heteronormative.

My main complaint with Jen's post is that she didn't mention the Gervais photo, so her readers did not have the full context of the story unless they clicked thru the link. That is dishonest reporting.