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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Gumby wrote:What @Lazy_Savant tweeted was pretty dumb. Not because it was a death threat - obviously it wasn't, only the intentional drama whores at FtB etc. pretend it is - but because it plays right into the infinitely dishonest victim narrative these dingbats flaunt. Zvan just took the lead in the persecution points game these pathetic bumblers are always playing. She's waddling around hoisting that tweet like a fucking trophy.



It's what I said on twitter. Zvan is a troll. Don't feed the fucking trolls. I understand it's fun sometimes. Really I do. But there's a definite cost in terms of our collective sanity when you do that. It's simply not worth it.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Gumby wrote:[meta]

The infinitely dull John Morales is phlouncing Pharyngula?


http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-715612

Caine seems to have a hate-on for him for some reason, calling him a poisonous bigot in that thread. Whatever happened seems to have started elsewhere. But Caine's huffy reaction to Rorschach calling her "chief monitor" is priceless. She's determined to milk that 1/128th Lakota blood for all it's worth.
Sounds more like a mea culpa.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-715612
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I will reserve final judgement till I actually see the comment he made that he thinks he has to leave but with that said my thoughts are:

I noticed back around Elevatorgate that Morales appeared to be a lot smarter than most of the Horde, but he also seemed to consistently overestimate how quick on the uptake most of them are.

He also appeared to me to hold more than a few of his fellow Horde in contempt. Actually, Morales seems to hold most people in contempt but his education appears to have some holes in in. Specifically he does not appear to be well grounded in the Classics. He actually appears to know even less than I do.

My insults seemingly went whizzing right over his head, which amused me no end, seeing I was always under the impression he considered himself the smartest guy in the room.

(In case you are wondering, no ... I do not think I am all that smart either ... but just enough to see that Morales thinks he is).

So, anyone know exactly which comment he made that he thinks he has to leave over?

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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AndrewV69 wrote:
Gumby wrote:[meta]

The infinitely dull John Morales is phlouncing Pharyngula?


http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-715612

Caine seems to have a hate-on for him for some reason, calling him a poisonous bigot in that thread. Whatever happened seems to have started elsewhere. But Caine's huffy reaction to Rorschach calling her "chief monitor" is priceless. She's determined to milk that 1/128th Lakota blood for all it's worth.
Sounds more like a mea culpa.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-715612
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I will reserve final judgement till I actually see the comment he made that he thinks he has to leave but with that said my thoughts are:

I noticed back around Elevatorgate that Morales appeared to be a lot smarter than most of the Horde, but he also seemed to consistently overestimate how quick on the uptake most of them are.

He also appeared to me to hold more than a few of his fellow Horde in contempt. Actually, Morales seems to hold most people in contempt but his education appears to have some holes in in. Specifically he does not appear to be well grounded in the Classics. He actually appears to know even less than I do.

My insults seemingly went whizzing right over his head, which amused me no end, seeing I was always under the impression he considered himself the smartest guy in the room.

(In case you are wondering, no ... I do not think I am all that smart either ... but just enough to see that Morales thinks he is).

So, anyone know exactly which comment he made that he thinks he has to leave over?
I only see 1x comment on the NSC thread:
I respect and salute NSC, who has a corpus of top-tier-videos.
(As for those about whom he speaks… I’m pretty sure that I’m not the only one who sniggers at their hopeful conceit that their pretense of being on it is but for the yuks may be even slightly credible to anyone with half-a-clue)
Got a PZ call out , But Can't see how that's an issue?

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:http://i.imgur.com/zFzuEsq.png

It seems like the stress of being Meyers's social justice conscience-by-proxy has got to Caine.

She has obviously driven herself into a chasing-the-tail mania by maintaining her relentless sentry position on the Phawrongula border patrol. This really is not surprising: the beliefs which she has are, like those of religious extremists, so logically fragile that to maintain them with perfection as she does will unavoidably lead to such fundamental contradictions as to cause most people's brains to seize up at some point. She has recently introduced Native American words into her posting vocabulary, probably (it seems to me) as an attempt to control yet another piece of the social justice high ground amongst Phawrongula Horde. This has led to an explosion over use of the word "chief" (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/chief), which she saw as a personal attack on the newly-acquired pride in her Native American heritage. Her brain has fried itself trying to reconcile reality with her ideal world.
Well, this is pretty funny if only for the lack of introspection by Cain :
I am sick to fucking death of being blamed for anything and everything. I am sick to fucking death of people thinking it’s perfectly okay to treat me in whatever demeaning manner which happens to amuse them at the time. If you happen to be one of those asswarts who wishes to do any of that, please, go fuck yourself.
Do onto others Cain. Do onto others as you would have them do unto you. Right? Right?

Seems to me Cain has a track record of dishing it out, but appears to be unable to take it?

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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I recall a incident, couple of months ago, on Tdome involving Myers, Morales and SGBM but can't recall specifics. Myers was defending a friend' maybe Clarke, and made a couple of comments directed to Morales and SGBM, something like cleaning out the cage and preferring friends to arseholes he has to let in the door. Morales and SGBM have posted little or nothing since then.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Sulman wrote:
Gumby wrote:What @Lazy_Savant tweeted was pretty dumb. Not because it was a death threat - obviously it wasn't, only the intentional drama whores at FtB etc. pretend it is - but because it plays right into the infinitely dishonest victim narrative these dingbats flaunt. Zvan just took the lead in the persecution points game these pathetic bumblers are always playing. She's waddling around hoisting that tweet like a fucking trophy.
That was my immediate thought. I knew full well she would hunt that down "Looking for reactions to my brother's photography" my arse. She name-searched herself.

Much as I do love this community, there's a definite downside in perpetually supplying the other team with ammunition.
It's going to happen with or without it. It doesn't matter one bit of the pitt is here or not. The only thing the pitt does is give these drama whores a fall-back place to go when they want to inflate their egos and get pity points (and can't find anything elsewhere at the moment). Most of the time, they pull their victim narrative from something said on twatter, youtube, dickstarter, or even from news articles and interviews. And with these crazy shithouse rats scurrying off to ego-search who knows how often per week, they can't NOT find something to fit their victim narrative and justify their own bullying, attempted firing, and doxxing of others.

Oh and I found this today. Figures someone made one of these before I could.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/ ... 017155.jpg

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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mikelf wrote: I also shake my head at the notion that going to work for a corporation is necessarily selling out. As I believe I have mentioned previously, I work in oil and gas and there are plenty of companies in the industry that are interested in doing the right thing, have geniune concern for the well -being of their employees and communities, and try to operate in an environmentally friendly manner. But, it is hard to leave behind that juvenile black-white mindset that Clarke and Myers have, when your whole experience with the business world is with the bottom feeders and not the responsible operators. There are plenty of opportunities to work in the private sector without compromising your principles.
Exactly this - their mindset and judgments are immature and simplistic, and often based on willful ignorance. They can't even be arsed to inform themselves about tools that others have developed (e.g. GoodGuide) to identify and sort businesses and products based on environmental responsibility.

I don't for a minute believe that any one of them is 100% evil and unprincipled or 100% good and principled. Part of growing up and dealing with the real world is to learn to pick your battles and sort your ethical priorities. I like most of Clarke's environmental writing that I've read, and in agreement on many of the issues. I'm a treehugger and birdwatcher who lives in a semi-arid region that's experiencing unsustainable growth and (gulp) fracking, and who's written more than a few blog posts on environmental issues and natural history. However, by the black-and-white classification scheme of Myers and Clarke, I'm 100% unethical, unprincipled evil. :roll:

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Caine is fucking hilarious, Her degree of raging self-importance is a joke that never quits.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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John Greg wrote:Caine is fucking hilarious, Her degree of raging self-importance is a joke that never quits.
I believe that she and the few remaining commenters on Meyers's blog just don't understand what nasty fuckers they are. Nasty, manipulative, mendacious fuckers. This is why the Downfall parodies by whatshisname are so funny: the remnants of the Horde, and Meyers, are exactly like a sad, old, failed dictator sat in a bunker screaming to the world that this is how it should be, and you are all wrong, of you could just see how perfect our world would be...

Oh, PZ Meyers. With your years-in-the-making book, and your dwindling shreds of followers: are you proud? Are you satisfied? Are you a happy atheist? Bless your weak heart, I really don't think you are. I think you are a bitter little white old man, whose time came, but passed like a fart in the wind. And that makes you oh so (impotently) angry.

SMH, as the kids say nowadays.

SMFH.

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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote: I believe that she and the few remaining commenters on Meyers's blog just don't understand what nasty fuckers they are. Nasty, manipulative, mendacious fuckers. This is why the Downfall parodies by whatshisname are so funny: the remnants of the Horde, and Meyers, are exactly like a sad, old, failed dictator sat in a bunker screaming to the world that this is how it should be, and you are all wrong, of you could just see how perfect our world would be...
I believe that rumbling is the master satirical filmmaker Gefan is rolling in his grave.

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Grammar phail again. One of these days, I'll start taking preview seriously.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Is that sociopathic numbskull wowbagger some kind of masochist?

Here's his latest self induced kick to his own testicles on the Butterflies and Wheels thread about the 'shocking' fat joke death-threat to Svan.

http://i.imgur.com/thdFwpb.jpg

Do we really need to run through groundhog day again with this one?

Wowbagger says the other side are the ones making sociopathic threats.
Someone points out that wowbaggers own 'die in a fire, I really mean that' threat sounds more serious than anything offered as proof of the evil of the non FTB side.
Wowbagger flies into a rage and says "it was only that one time, I apologised and never did it again!"
Someone then points out that he has been screencapped making exactly the same threats on other occasions.
More rage, and the subject is swiftly changed.


And even if we ignore wowbagger's die in a fire threats (although the fun to be had from provoking his predictably hysterical reaction makes this an impossibility) there are dozens of similar and even worse threats that have been made by the pharyngulites.

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=256

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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The newest south park gives a very cutting satire of social justice warriors. At least, if I'm reading it right. Kyle literally goes around sucking Cartman's farts and then acting like he's a fucking saint for doing it, because he believes he is the cause of peace in the middle east. The reality is that he ends up fucking everything up because he has his own preconceived notions about religious people being ignorant and stupid.

I don't know if Matt and Trey were going after SJWs, but who knows.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Analyzing mere pictures of a party that none of us has attended is not really very reliable, however, now that I take a closer look at the two pictures above, Shermer's body language fits the kind of guy who pushes too hard in flirting and hitting on women.

The first picture: He has his arm wrapped around her but we don't see her other hand and it seems it's dangling by her side, sandwiched between her and him. If true, it means she was not interested in "hugging him" (which would have been an implicit nod from her to escalate the level of intimacy). Also, there's a gap between Shermer and DJ and the picture doesn't look like a group photo.

The second picture: Shermer is now grabbing her very firmly and there is no way for her to get away unless she uses some level of physical force. Again, that's very consistent with a guy who hits heavily on women and who uses some level of "force" (typical examples are guys who don't let their target get away without some level of force; they hold her hand, or hold her in a tight embrace in dancing, etc.). And in this picture there is no group. There is "cover". If you look at this picture you see a couple and another guy who awkwardly stands away.

The combination of these two pictures is damning for Shermer. It shows that he had his arm wrapped around her for some time, at least long enough for two pictures in two different configurations to be taken. This in turn means that the wrapped arm was not done in a moment of "excitement" or "happiness" or any other reading that doesn't have sexual undertones. In other words, you can't say "Maybe he was happy to see her so he hugged her" or "they were just taking pictures and he was being friendly". On the other hand, I don't see any evidence that she reciprocated any of this.

So basically, I'm not rejecting any other reading of these pictures but I'm saying that the reading that is most consistent (at least in my opinion) is the one in which Shermer was heavily hitting on her against her obvious disinterest, and most likely with some level of force.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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There are a couple of Storifies re @LazySavant's joke that bombed.

Here, @ool0n does chide @LazySavant, albeit pretty mildly: http://storify.com/elevatorgate/convers ... nd-aratina

Another Storify I saw earlier added in a comment that @LazySavant & @ool0n often banter around on twitter; I haven't checked that out for veracity, but it does look like it just in the past day or two.

As @LazySavant has subsequently pointed out, he was make reference to a movie - the "woman suit" scenario is from Silence of the Lambs.
Anyway, the last tweet in the Storify linked above is @aratina advising that if @LazySavant just apologizes to @szvan and deletes the tweet, everything'll be fine. :snooty:

Surprise surprise, @LazySavant has been added to the Block Bot, level 2: http://storify.com/The_Block_Bot/38959986

And: Later there's a joking exchange with @RichSandersen, @oolon, @hyperdeath128k, @saramayhew (whose account is still suspended), & one other person in which Rich S jokes that Aratina wants Sara Mayhew dead (related to someone trying to delete Sara Mayhew's wikipedia page, whether that's true or also a joke); @aratina has retweeted it: (The exchange went on w/ someone asking whether Rich S was using hyperbole or his usual, "being full of shit", with Aratina assuring it was the latter.)

It's like a soap opera. So hard to follow who's talking to, versus shunning, who - and why. And whether or not it's okay to make jokes about women & death - turns out that may depend who the joke is about, and/or what the joke-maker's intent is assumed to be. Quelle surprise.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Trophy wrote:
Analyzing mere pictures of a party that none of us has attended is not really very reliable, however, now that I take a closer look at the two pictures above, Shermer's body language fits the kind of guy who pushes too hard in flirting and hitting on women.

The first picture: He has his arm wrapped around her but we don't see her other hand and it seems it's dangling by her side, sandwiched between her and him. If true, it means she was not interested in "hugging him" (which would have been an implicit nod from her to escalate the level of intimacy). Also, there's a gap between Shermer and DJ and the picture doesn't look like a group photo.

The second picture: Shermer is now grabbing her very firmly and there is no way for her to get away unless she uses some level of physical force. Again, that's very consistent with a guy who hits heavily on women and who uses some level of "force" (typical examples are guys who don't let their target get away without some level of force; they hold her hand, or hold her in a tight embrace in dancing, etc.). And in this picture there is no group. There is "cover". If you look at this picture you see a couple and another guy who awkwardly stands away.

The combination of these two pictures is damning for Shermer. It shows that he had his arm wrapped around her for some time, at least long enough for two pictures in two different configurations to be taken. This in turn means that the wrapped arm was not done in a moment of "excitement" or "happiness" or any other reading that doesn't have sexual undertones. In other words, you can't say "Maybe he was happy to see her so he hugged her" or "they were just taking pictures and he was being friendly". On the other hand, I don't see any evidence that she reciprocated any of this.

So basically, I'm not rejecting any other reading of these pictures but I'm saying that the reading that is most consistent (at least in my opinion) is the one in which Shermer was heavily hitting on her against her obvious disinterest, and most likely with some level of force.
If you are saying that Shermer is acting overly familiar with her, especially as it's their first meeting, then I would have to agree. I'm not a touchy-feely-huggy type of person myself and would never think of putting my arm around someone who I didn't know. I can understand why someone might consider him as acting in a creepy way. As for using 'some level of force', I'm not sure I would put it like that. The party seemed to be fairly crowded and she was there with a lot of friends - there are plenty of pictures of her with her arms around various men and touching them in a far more intimate manner than Shermer is pictured. Would it be fair to say that she was using some level of force on them? Probably not.
My point about the pictures was about a specific remark of hers - that he lunged at her breasts at the moment of their introduction (and the related remarks connected to Grothe and Drescher saying that his friends seperated him from her when they noticed he was drunk and might do something inappropriate.)
That part of the story doesn't seem to fit the evidence.
All we can probably say about the entire incident is that it appears like a lot of the higher echelons of skepticism regularly socialize with enough alcohol in their systems to cause them to behave like drunken freshers at their first college party (and this includes Shermer, Grothe, Phil Plait, Pamela Gay herself, and various assorted D-list skeptics/skepchicks.)

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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http://i.imgur.com/zFzuEsq.png

Sheesh, get some perspective; there's no need to head off the reservation.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Caine: stop being a moderator - problem goes away.

"Wait, umm, no"

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Sorry "monitor"

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Trophy wrote:<photos snipped>
Analyzing mere pictures of a party that none of us has attended is not really very reliable, however, now that I take a closer look at the two pictures above, Shermer's body language fits the kind of guy who pushes too hard in flirting and hitting on women.

The first picture: He has his arm wrapped around her but we don't see her other hand and it seems it's dangling by her side, sandwiched between her and him. If true, it means she was not interested in "hugging him" (which would have been an implicit nod from her to escalate the level of intimacy). Also, there's a gap between Shermer and DJ and the picture doesn't look like a group photo.

The second picture: Shermer is now grabbing her very firmly and there is no way for her to get away unless she uses some level of physical force. Again, that's very consistent with a guy who hits heavily on women and who uses some level of "force" (typical examples are guys who don't let their target get away without some level of force; they hold her hand, or hold her in a tight embrace in dancing, etc.). And in this picture there is no group. There is "cover". If you look at this picture you see a couple and another guy who awkwardly stands away.

The combination of these two pictures is damning for Shermer. It shows that he had his arm wrapped around her for some time, at least long enough for two pictures in two different configurations to be taken. This in turn means that the wrapped arm was not done in a moment of "excitement" or "happiness" or any other reading that doesn't have sexual undertones. In other words, you can't say "Maybe he was happy to see her so he hugged her" or "they were just taking pictures and he was being friendly". On the other hand, I don't see any evidence that she reciprocated any of this.

So basically, I'm not rejecting any other reading of these pictures but I'm saying that the reading that is most consistent (at least in my opinion) is the one in which Shermer was heavily hitting on her against her obvious disinterest, and most likely with some level of force.
I think that's reading too much into it. From no place private, just the wild web:

I didn't find many photos of Shermer hugging people, but there are a bunch of him alone, posing or pondering or whatever. Here's Shermer hugging a woman after a lecture he gave in 3/2012, from here; she refers to herself and another man as having had a wonderful time at the event (so, no hint of concern; the man she was with might have been the person who took the photo, but that's not clear; no sign of alcohol)
http://i.imgur.com/EHESp8K.jpg?1

Here, Shermer does appear to have a fairly firm grip with his right arm & hand. Maybe that's just the way he hugs. Handshakes can vary from very firm to very limp; why couldn't hugs be like that too? Or maybe he only hugs women and he only does so more firmly than whatever "norm" there might be; can one generalize & say that's inappropriate? (As opposed to, he's hugging someone firmly and they tell him they don't want him to, but he continues - that would be inappropriate.)

On the other hand, there are quite a few photos of PG hugging people, which probably mostly reflects the circumstances in which photos of her have been taken that have ended up on the internet. Phil Plait has a bunch of them. If you're going to do armchair analysis of snapshots of hugs, might as well include these:

TAM 2012 (in the hallway outside the meeting rooms - not at that party):
http://i.imgur.com/s3MnrBq.jpg?1

2005, labeled "me_Pamela_podcast"
http://i.imgur.com/DAIQEn8.jpg?1

2010 TAM Australia
http://i.imgur.com/CQwAI7S.jpg?1

So maybe she's a person who's more likely than some to engage in a hug with people, and particularly feels comfortable with large areas of contact with someone who's been a friend & colleague (in skeptical-astronomy) for years, and others might observe that (say in a party situation) and interpret it in ways she didn't intend. (Just saying 'maybe'. People being people, and all. And, no, that's not an excuse to grab for someone's breast....or chest...nor to maintain contact when they're trying to pull away, assuming you notice that's what they're doing).

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Gumby wrote:What @Lazy_Savant tweeted was pretty dumb. Not because it was a death threat - obviously it wasn't, only the intentional drama whores at FtB etc. pretend it is - but because it plays right into the infinitely dishonest victim narrative these dingbats flaunt. Zvan just took the lead in the persecution points game these pathetic bumblers are always playing. She's waddling around hoisting that tweet like a fucking trophy.
I think a worst crime is that it wasn't even funny. I'm ok with lots of bullshit as long as it's funny.

Regarding TSA at airports: I call bullshit on the whole thing. If it is meant to fend off terrorist attacks, why is it not implemented in train stations as well? Sure, you can't run a train into a building, but your average TGV carries about 1000 people at 360km/h. And there is no security check, anyone could board a fucking train with a fucking bomb in their backpack.

So, what's the catch?

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Michael J wrote:
spiffigt wrote:
Apples wrote:In Chris Clarke's "pity-me" post he claims to own one pair of socks.
That's more than a lot of people in this harsh world. He needs to check his privilege.
Luxury, I used to dream of owning a pair of socks - I used to have to wear used fish and chip paper as socks and I thought I was lucky (Said with a Yorkshire accent)
Fish and chip paper? You snobbish cunt! I used to wear used fish and chip. Uphill. Both ways.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Skep tickle wrote:
Here, Shermer does appear to have a fairly firm grip with his right arm & hand. Maybe that's just the way he hugs. Handshakes can vary from very firm to very limp; why couldn't hugs be like that too? Or maybe he only hugs women and he only does so more firmly than whatever "norm" there might be; can one generalize & say that's inappropriate? (As opposed to, he's hugging someone firmly and they tell him they don't want him to, but he continues - that would be inappropriate.)

There's a picture of Shermer hugging at least one other person at the same event.

http://i.imgur.com/MSKp870.jpg

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Dick Strawkins wrote: If you are saying that Shermer is acting overly familiar with her, especially as it's their first meeting, then I would have to agree. I'm not a touchy-feely-huggy type of person myself and would never think of putting my arm around someone who I didn't know. I can understand why someone might consider him as acting in a creepy way.
My point is that I really don't know how else to interpret extended physical contact in that context (that is, a party with booze). Having someone else's arm around you for a longer time than other social contracts require is flirtatious. Just try to imagine yourself in a similar situation.
As for using 'some level of force', I'm not sure I would put it like that. The party seemed to be fairly crowded and she was there with a lot of friends - there are plenty of pictures of her with her arms around various men and touching them in a far more intimate manner than Shermer is pictured. Would it be fair to say that she was using some level of force on them? Probably not.
1) There is a difference between putting your hand *on* someone else's shoulder and putting your arm *around* them. In the first case, the person can break away the physical contact by very minor movements, for example, she can shift her body just a few centimeters away and then he wouldn't be able to keep his hand on her. However, if he has his arm wrapped around her, she has to make a move forceful physical activity to break away or she has to explicity mention that she wants to get away (e.g., "I think I'll just go and get a drink"). Force doesn't always mean "he held her down and stick it to her".

2) The existence of *one* picture does not say much. People could be posing for that one picture. She could be putting her hand on other people for the cameras, without any sexual innuendos. People do that all the time. However, if you show me another picture in which she still has her hand on Phil's chest in which she is not posing for the cameras, then I would be concluding the exact same thing regarding her behavior.

3) The existence of the other pictures of her touching other guys means that she is not afraid or uncomfortable touching other men or being "touchy feely", which in return makes the lack of mutual "touching" in the first two pictures a bit more significant.
My point about the pictures was about a specific remark of hers - that he lunged at her breasts at the moment of their introduction (and the related remarks connected to Grothe and Drescher saying that his friends seperated him from her when they noticed he was drunk and might do something inappropriate.)
I'm not surprised. Human memory is not reliable and we are not expected to get all the details right but just because she doesn't get all the details wrong doesn't mean she is making it all up or that everything else that she describes is also wrong. For example, it is possible (again, this is just hypothetical) that Shermer was being too pushy and was crossing the line and she was uncomfortable and tipsy and now remembers it as him trying to go for a feel.

The whole point is that she could be wrong but based on those pictures, I would not let Shermer completely off the hook yet.

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Skep tickle wrote:I think that's reading too much into it. From no place private, just the wild web:

I didn't find many photos of Shermer hugging people, but there are a bunch of him alone, posing or pondering or whatever. Here's Shermer hugging a woman after a lecture he gave in 3/2012, from here; she refers to herself and another man as having had a wonderful time at the event (so, no hint of concern; the man she was with might have been the person who took the photo, but that's not clear; no sign of alcohol)
http://i.imgur.com/EHESp8K.jpg?1

Here, Shermer does appear to have a fairly firm grip with his right arm & hand. Maybe that's just the way he hugs. Handshakes can vary from very firm to very limp; why couldn't hugs be like that too? Or maybe he only hugs women and he only does so more firmly than whatever "norm" there might be; can one generalize & say that's inappropriate? (As opposed to, he's hugging someone firmly and they tell him they don't want him to, but he continues - that would be inappropriate.)

On the other hand, there are quite a few photos of PG hugging people, which probably mostly reflects the circumstances in which photos of her have been taken that have ended up on the internet. Phil Plait has a bunch of them. If you're going to do armchair analysis of snapshots of hugs, might as well include these:

TAM 2012 (in the hallway outside the meeting rooms - not at that party):
http://i.imgur.com/s3MnrBq.jpg?1

2005, labeled "me_Pamela_podcast"
http://i.imgur.com/DAIQEn8.jpg?1

2010 TAM Australia
http://i.imgur.com/CQwAI7S.jpg?1

So maybe she's a person who's more likely than some to engage in a hug with people, and particularly feels comfortable with large areas of contact with someone who's been a friend & colleague (in skeptical-astronomy) for years, and others might observe that (say in a party situation) and interpret it in ways she didn't intend. (Just saying 'maybe'. People being people, and all. And, no, that's not an excuse to grab for someone's breast....or chest...nor to maintain contact when they're trying to pull away, assuming you notice that's what they're doing).
First I agree that it's not reliable to read too much into these pictures so I'm completely aware of the caveats. However, as I explained to Strawkins, people pose for cameras and it's ridiculous to read too much into those poses. They might be doing very sexual gestures without it mean anything outside the pictures. All of the pictures shown in your post are in the category of people posing for the camera. For example, take the first picture. I could completely accept that it is a momentary friendly hug. Now, imagine a second picture taken from a different angle in which the couple are not posing for the camera, with Shermer still having his arm wrapped around her. You'll conclude that obviously something is going on. Or take the second picture. The couple on the left have an intimate embrace but it doesn't necessarily mean anything is going on between them.

I didn't make my point on only one picture. I made it on the combination of two pictures taken in two different angles and in two different contexts and I'm not even advocating that it "proves almosst surely that Shermer is guilty." Nope. I'm just saying that his behavior is consistent with the behavior of a very pushy guy. It might not mean shit but I wouldn't let him off the hook and the more people collaborate on his supposed shitty behavior, the less likely the innocent readings become.

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Trophy wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote: If you are saying that Shermer is acting overly familiar with her, especially as it's their first meeting, then I would have to agree. I'm not a touchy-feely-huggy type of person myself and would never think of putting my arm around someone who I didn't know. I can understand why someone might consider him as acting in a creepy way.
My point is that I really don't know how else to interpret extended physical contact in that context (that is, a party with booze). Having someone else's arm around you for a longer time than other social contracts require is flirtatious. Just try to imagine yourself in a similar situation.
As for using 'some level of force', I'm not sure I would put it like that. The party seemed to be fairly crowded and she was there with a lot of friends - there are plenty of pictures of her with her arms around various men and touching them in a far more intimate manner than Shermer is pictured. Would it be fair to say that she was using some level of force on them? Probably not.
1) There is a difference between putting your hand *on* someone else's shoulder and putting your arm *around* them. In the first case, the person can break away the physical contact by very minor movements, for example, she can shift her body just a few centimeters away and then he wouldn't be able to keep his hand on her. However, if he has his arm wrapped around her, she has to make a move forceful physical activity to break away or she has to explicity mention that she wants to get away (e.g., "I think I'll just go and get a drink"). Force doesn't always mean "he held her down and stick it to her".

2) The existence of *one* picture does not say much. People could be posing for that one picture. She could be putting her hand on other people for the cameras, without any sexual innuendos. People do that all the time. However, if you show me another picture in which she still has her hand on Phil's chest in which she is not posing for the cameras, then I would be concluding the exact same thing regarding her behavior.

3) The existence of the other pictures of her touching other guys means that she is not afraid or uncomfortable touching other men or being "touchy feely", which in return makes the lack of mutual "touching" in the first two pictures a bit more significant.
My point about the pictures was about a specific remark of hers - that he lunged at her breasts at the moment of their introduction (and the related remarks connected to Grothe and Drescher saying that his friends seperated him from her when they noticed he was drunk and might do something inappropriate.)
I'm not surprised. Human memory is not reliable and we are not expected to get all the details right but just because she doesn't get all the details wrong doesn't mean she is making it all up or that everything else that she describes is also wrong. For example, it is possible (again, this is just hypothetical) that Shermer was being too pushy and was crossing the line and she was uncomfortable and tipsy and now remembers it as him trying to go for a feel.

The whole point is that she could be wrong but based on those pictures, I would not let Shermer completely off the hook yet.
My interpretation of what SHE is doing in both of those pictures is that she is posing for a photograph.
If you look at her eyes it appears that she is looking towards something in particular on both occasions (everyone in the first picture is obviously doing the same thing - posing for a photo.)
In the second picture she has the same look on her face, as if someone she is looking towards is about to take her picture.
That would explain why she might be standing next to the famous guy and also why he might have his arm around her (lots of people want to get their photo taken with famous people - or with people in cool costumes.)
I think that is the simplest explanation, and without the accusations flying around I think that is what most neutral people would conclude from the photos.
I think it is fair to say we don't have the full story. Something else happened that is not shown here, but we do at least have some background provided to the event.

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The real problem with that Dragoncon event is that we didn't have someone like Rebecca Watson there, providing the kind of high minded and classy example for which she is deservedly famous.

[youtube]3GZNGLwYVcY[/youtube]

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Gumby wrote:What @Lazy_Savant tweeted was pretty dumb. Not because it was a death threat - obviously it wasn't, only the intentional drama whores at FtB etc. pretend it is - but because it plays right into the infinitely dishonest victim narrative these dingbats flaunt. Zvan just took the lead in the persecution points game these pathetic bumblers are always playing. She's waddling around hoisting that tweet like a fucking trophy.
I think a worst crime is that it wasn't even funny. I'm ok with lots of bullshit as long as it's funny.

Regarding TSA at airports: I call bullshit on the whole thing. If it is meant to fend off terrorist attacks, why is it not implemented in train stations as well? Sure, you can't run a train into a building, but your average TGV carries about 1000 people at 360km/h. And there is no security check, anyone could board a fucking train with a fucking bomb in their backpack.

So, what's the catch?
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FFS! When touring I get hugged, embraced or otherwise touched by loads of people for pictures. It seems to be a normal thing when you are more or less prominent in some field. And I hug/embrace/touch the person back when it happens, and no one is the worse for it. It's happy and convivial. I once signed my name on not just one, but two women's breasts at their request.

Some people just want a picture with me (the fools!) without touching, and it's fine and good fun as well.

But mostly, it's harm-over-shoulder and metal-hand. No biggy.

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Dick Strawkins wrote:My interpretation of what SHE is doing in both of those pictures is that she is posing for a photograph.
If you look at her eyes it appears that she is looking towards something in particular on both occasions (everyone in the first picture is obviously doing the same thing - posing for a photo.)
In the second picture she has the same look on her face, as if someone she is looking towards is about to take her picture.
That would explain why she might be standing next to the famous guy and also why he might have his arm around her (lots of people want to get their photo taken with famous people - or with people in cool costumes.)
I think that is the simplest explanation, and without the accusations flying around I think that is what most neutral people would conclude from the photos.
I think it is fair to say we don't have the full story. Something else happened that is not shown here, but we do at least have some background provided to the event.
We need a forensic investigator :lol:. Here's another point: the guy to the far right in the first picture seems to holding a doll or something but in the second picture he is holding a bottle. So it seems considerable time has passed between them. BTW, where did you find these pictures? I did a little bit of searching but couldn't come up with much.

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Dick Strawkins wrote:The real problem with that Dragoncon event is that we didn't have someone like Rebecca Watson there, providing the kind of high minded and classy example for which she is deservedly famous.

[youtube]3GZNGLwYVcY[/youtube]
She also autographed this guy's ass:
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Just be thankful it wasn't Steffanny Zvan's ass.

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Sulaco wrote:The DoE (I think) also conducted a test to see if a reactor cooling tower could survive the impact of a plane. So they rammed and old F4 into one. Great footage, the plane basically disintegrated on impact. I think I watched this on Nova on PBS years ago and the test was done in the 70's.
I seriously doubt that.

First off, I like to joke that if terrorists crash a plane into a nuclear power plant they would surely go for the cooling tower. a) it's the biggest target, b) many people seem to confuse the cooling tower with the power plant, c) the effect of doing that is basically zilch or nada. Sure, the plant would auto-shutdown and cooling would be somewhat compromised, but that's basically it as long as everybody at the site knows their shit.

I'm not aware of any experiment with F4s on real cooling towers. There were tests with ramming them into massive concrete walls and observing the damage/calculating the impact force. Here's an example:

[youtube]xM8E-CogkYE[/youtube]

The parts that produce the apparent 'pulverization' effect is mainly the fuselage. The main impact on the other hand is shelled out by the engine. At airplane speed that's a dense block of heavy metal that can go thru a lot of stuff including concrete walls. It would almost for sure go through the walls of a cooling tower because they aren't that thick as they don't have to be.

The main thing is if the reactor building would withstand an impact. If not, you'd have a release of some radioactivity really fast and, depending on the amount and type of secondary damages, maybe a catastrophic release of fission materials.

Now, the reactor buildings do have thick concrete walls but if they can withstand the damage done by a plane crash is really in doubt. Most commercial reactors today would probably withstand an F4 but not necessarily an A380. American authorities tend to be optimistic what their reactors can withstand, German authorities seem to be more pessimistic.

As for the 1970s and 9/11 style attacks, German reactors were tested then if the could withstand kamikaze like attacks from F4, but no one seems to have thought about captured commercial planes.

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I just saw this tweet.
https://twitter.com/SecularWoman/status ... 7076980736


http://i.imgur.com/hByJ9Nt.png


Are they saying "female bodied people" because they think some people will be offended if it said "women"?

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Fucking PC is what it is.

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Suet Cardigan wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote:The real problem with that Dragoncon event is that we didn't have someone like Rebecca Watson there, providing the kind of high minded and classy example for which she is deservedly famous.

[youtube]3GZNGLwYVcY[/youtube]
She also autographed this guy's ass:
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Just be thankful it wasn't Steffanny Zvan's ass.
Which one is Rebecca? :whistle:

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What happened to the second pic?

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Sarlug wrote:Is anyone else starting to think that maybe the SJWs have a point? We keep seeing shit pop up about Groethe and Shermer, welch has done a good job showing why Sam Harris is being stupid about the profiling thing, and Dawkins' various "mild pedophilia" and "honey" gaffes are kinda starting to pile up, to the point where it almost seems like he's going senile or some shit.
I'm too old for idolizing people so I wouldn't really care if Dawkins and Harris were asshats in their private life. Not that I think they are. I'd stop reading their books when they'd start to write shitty ones.

For Shermer I really care even less. But it makes a difference to me if he's someone who leans towards stupid behaviour when he's drunk or if he rapes unconscious women.

All this doesn't change the pure despicability of what goes on in the SJW crowd. Pamela Gay is not where she is today because a drunk Shermer did something stupid to her in 2008. She's there because of her SJW friends. She incorporated enough BS from her skepchick friends that she would think it was brave and awesome to trash her employer on a public podium. A year later it's Poppy and company who publicize the 2008 case and again put her in a position she obviously cannot handle. And while she has another breakdown, this time in public, it's the FTB vultures who try to make money out of her misery. All the while congratulating themselves what fine human beings they are. These are not friends, they are abusers. And hopefully at some point Gay will notice that.

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HoneyWagon wrote:I just saw this tweet.
https://twitter.com/SecularWoman/status ... 7076980736


http://i.imgur.com/hByJ9Nt.png


Are they saying "female bodied people" because they think some people will be offended if it said "women"?
But don't post-op male to female transexuals consider themselves to be female bodied people?

It's almost like Judiths idea from 'The Life of Brian'
Here! I-- I've got an idea. Suppose you agree that he can't actually have babies, not having a womb, which is nobody's fault, not even the Romans', but that he can have the right to have babies.
...Except in the case of Secular Women they think that post-op male to female transexuals should have the right to have an abortion.


[youtube]sFBOQzSk14c[/youtube]

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HoneyWagon wrote:I just saw this tweet.
Are they saying "female bodied people" because they think some people will be offended if it said "women"?
Yes. And what's more, they still fail. I'm sure trans women who've had genital surgery consider themselves "female bodied", as do women with Complete Androgen Insensitivity. Also, they don't take into account that even if a woman has a uterus and ovaries and all that, she may not be capable of reproduction. She may be congenitally infertile, or infertile due to some other medical condition, or post-menopausal. Then there are the trans men who might still be capable of pregnancy but have already started transitioning by having top surgery and presenting as male and who no longer consider themselves "female bodied". They're erasing all those persons' existences, which is very, very bad social justice practice. They ought to have said "those human individuals possessing a full and functional complement of female reproductive organs, whatever their current gender identification may or may not be". Or just, you know, fucking "women" and let the context speak for itself.

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Trophy wrote:
We need a forensic investigator :lol:. Here's another point: the guy to the far right in the first picture seems to holding a doll or something but in the second picture he is holding a bottle. So it seems considerable time has passed between them.
I wouldn't put too much stock in the fact that he's holding a doll/teddy in the first picture and a bottle in the second - we don't see his other hand in either picture so he may have simply switched the bottle to his other hand in the meantime.
Some time has passed but I don't think we can say whether it's a few seconds or a much longer interval.
BTW, where did you find these pictures? I did a little bit of searching but couldn't come up with much.
It's not difficult.
Just google something to do with the event and look at the images (for example "dragoncon pimps party 2008") and then if you see a picture relating to the event (there are lots of parties at dragoncon, so lots of unrelated pictures) go to the page it is hosted on - particularly if it is part of a flickr album.

The pic of Shermer, Gay, Grothe and Sean McCabe comes from a flickr album of Tim Farley.
Some of the others come from the flickr page or some skepchick who doesn't seem to be involved with them any more.

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Wow, new PopSci article is out:
http://www.popsci.com/blog-network/unpo ... n-invaders

I tried, but I can't bring myself to describe the pure inanity of the article. Summarize one HuffPo article, copy-paste some HuffPo comments for the lulz, put on your worried face for serious issues for one sentence because you're such a serious, serious person. Add two lame jokes. Done.

Rebecca Watson, science communication genius.

Ah, forgot: copy a picture from flickr despite its "no-commercial use" license.

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Brive1987 wrote:Caine: stop being a moderator - problem goes away.

"Wait, umm, no"
Funny how Aneris, John Greg and I never get any shit for being mods (other than a bit of good-natured teasing at first).

Maybe it's not because someone is a mod. Maybe it's the moderation policies. Mods in places with iron-fisted moderation policies are going to be given the squink-eye much more than in communities that moderate with a light touch.

If some of the commentariat are giving her shit due to her "monitor" status, maybe it's because she's a totalitarian bitch anyway, one who helps oversee one of the most restrictive comment spaces on the internet. Maybe you should think about that, Caine, before your next whinefest about how poor poor widdle you is being mistreated.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Gumby wrote:What @Lazy_Savant tweeted was pretty dumb. Not because it was a death threat - obviously it wasn't, only the intentional drama whores at FtB etc. pretend it is - but because it plays right into the infinitely dishonest victim narrative these dingbats flaunt. Zvan just took the lead in the persecution points game these pathetic bumblers are always playing. She's waddling around hoisting that tweet like a fucking trophy.
I think a worst crime is that it wasn't even funny. I'm ok with lots of bullshit as long as it's funny.
Agree with that. I got the reference instantly, but FFS that movie is like twenty years old. The lambs stopped screaming a long time ago.

I haven't been following the Pit too closely lately - has it been established that @Lazy_Savant is even a Pitter? Maybe I'm biased but my instincts say no. Of course, the baboons will insist he is either way, but I was just curious.

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Remick wrote: You and I agree. I just don't see the point in critizing a pentecostal type for playing golf sometimes. Go after him for conning people.

Same with Watson. Go after her, just don't be stupid about it.
Sure. What she does with her free time is not my problem - and besides, like I pointed out, I also spend my free time on videogames, and I'm no PZ Myers so I cannot #denounce her for something I do myself. I can, however, point out that her "free time" is kept artificially long by the virtue of not working and begging money for uninspired videos. And that I have a problem with, like a said a couple of times about a guy that does the same thing but on the opposite side of the room (The Amazing Atheist).

Of course, she's so lazy that she wasn't neither the first nor the more successful doing that; Anita Sarkeesian gobbled $120k for that.

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Gumby wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Gumby wrote:What @Lazy_Savant tweeted was pretty dumb. Not because it was a death threat - obviously it wasn't, only the intentional drama whores at FtB etc. pretend it is - but because it plays right into the infinitely dishonest victim narrative these dingbats flaunt. Zvan just took the lead in the persecution points game these pathetic bumblers are always playing. She's waddling around hoisting that tweet like a fucking trophy.
I think a worst crime is that it wasn't even funny. I'm ok with lots of bullshit as long as it's funny.
Agree with that. I got the reference instantly, but FFS that movie is like twenty years old. The lambs stopped screaming a long time ago.

I haven't been following the Pit too closely lately - has it been established that @Lazy_Savant is even a Pitter? Maybe I'm biased but my instincts say no. Of course, the baboons will insist he is either way, but I was just curious.
He almost certainly wasn't a pitter since pitters are immediately placed at level 2 of the blockbot.
@Lazy_Savant was, at least before he made that Silenc of the Lambs joke, followed by aratina cage on twitter.
I think he has only now been added to the blockbot - level 2.

But if it was a real threat of murder (rather than a lame joke - that Svan spotted and immediately grabbed to use as pity fodder) you would expect him to be on level one, wouldn't you?

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Pitchguest wrote:I'm starting to think Google's mission for YouTube is to find a new power source, namely to increase the frustration levels of its users to near destructive proportions so they can harness the screams for fuel.

I'm genuinely confused as to what they're trying to accomplish with this update. The default "share this on Google+" tick aside, you're unable to respond to old comments (and some new ones), you can't access the context of the comments you're responding to without opening up a new window, and they removed the 400 character cap marking the return of spam spam spam, lovely spam! From a business perspective, they are shooting themselves in the foot, spilling precious milk while biting the hand that feeds. What.
Maybe they detected Facebook losing some users and said to themselves, "Gentlemen! The hour is at hand. This is our time to shine. Let Google+ be the new thing, forever! First, Youtube, then, THE WORLD!"

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Tapir wrote:http://i.imgur.com/kfGAhR0.jpg

I hope Zvan doesn't have a pace-maker.
Or that she took her rabies shot. Caine & Her Merry Band of Rats probably aren't very healthy to be around.

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mikelf wrote:
Southern wrote: But could someone please tell Swazan that if she wants someone to offend her, I could do that for free, in large ammounts and being as mean spirited as she would possibly want? Give me five minutes for inspiration.

I used to play DotA on the Battle.net (no moderation or punishment for trashtalking outside ladder playing, yay!), so I got a lot of experience in insults about sexuality, virginity (and the lack of, specifically the oral and anal ones), fatness, nationality, penile size (male AND female penises), and mom issues.
Gee, Mr. Southern, you're so special! I wish one day I could grow to be just like you!"
Yeah, but you can't, because I'm so special. Suck it, wage slave.

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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:She has recently introduced Native American words into her posting vocabulary, probably (it seems to me) as an attempt to control yet another piece of the social justice high ground amongst Phawrongula Horde.
I think that's so funny. She's been trying so hide to pose as a proud Lakota warrior, and it is so laughably phony and pretentious. Especially her going on the warpath (ha ha get it?) about the innocent use of the word "chief".

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Gumby wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:Caine: stop being a moderator - problem goes away.

"Wait, umm, no"
Funny how Aneris, John Greg and I never get any shit for being mods (other than a bit of good-natured teasing at first).

Maybe it's not because someone is a mod. Maybe it's the moderation policies. Mods in places with iron-fisted moderation policies are going to be given the squink-eye much more than in communities that moderate with a light touch.

If some of the commentariat are giving her shit due to her "monitor" status, maybe it's because she's a totalitarian bitch anyway, one who helps oversee one of the most restrictive comment spaces on the internet. Maybe you should think about that, Caine, before your next whinefest about how poor poor widdle you is being mistreated.
Caine has always been a hard core pain. But since getting her badge she has developed a certain sense of ownership together with a policing, "prefect" tone.

The post that got me banned had (as well as a link to the silo article) a comment suggesting Caine get a new hobby. She had been complaining how tedious riding herd on the thred was re Shermer legals and the official FtB POV. If she could have issued lunch time detentions she would have.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Dick Strawkins wrote:
He almost certainly wasn't a pitter since pitters are immediately placed at level 2 of the blockbot.
@Lazy_Savant was, at least before he made that Silenc of the Lambs joke, followed by aratina cage on twitter.
I think he has only now been added to the blockbot - level 2.

But if it was a real threat of murder (rather than a lame joke - that Svan spotted and immediately grabbed to use as pity fodder) you would expect him to be on level one, wouldn't you?
I noticed that as well. Given the tendency for the baboons to go, well, apeshit over insults like these and pretend they are imminent death threats, it's amazing he wasn't placed at Level 1 no matter what. Zvan must be pissed at Oolio - How come other people's death threats are placed at Level One and I only rate a Level Two? That's not worth nearly as many persecution points!!! :lol:

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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For all the claims that Lazy Savant's tweet was a death threat, it appears that the most shocked (shocked, I say!) of them knew from the outset that it was just a 'Silence of the Lambs' joke.

https://twitter.com/SpokesGay/status/398237314851155969

Funnily enough this makes it worse for Josh SpokesGay - since "SOTL was viciously transphobic".

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Oh Christ, has anyone posted this yet? :lol:
It's a music video made by the student union of Loughborough University.
At least that's what it claims to be. It's so bad, however, that a more likely explanation is that it's been made by students from another university to take the piss out of Loughborough.

[youtube]ZANlYjuQJ-4[/youtube]

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Cheer up, Zvan, you're thin!

At least: your skin.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Dick Strawkins wrote:Oh Christ, has anyone posted this yet? :lol:
It's a music video made by the student union of Loughborough University.
At least that's what it claims to be. It's so bad, however, that a more likely explanation is that it's been made by students from another university to take the piss out of Loughborough.

[youtube]ZANlYjuQJ-4[/youtube]

We should do one for Freethought blogs :lol: :lol:

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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welch wrote:
Apples wrote: Actually, you're right, given that he also says he spends $40 a month on "mental-health related beer and tacos" plus whatever he has to do to support his methylphenidate addiction.

Also - "I've always been indolent. I've always hated work unless I actually wanted to do it, which has been less frequent than my past employers would have liked."

Um - and this post is supposed to motivate me to help you pay your bills with money that I earned by doing work that I didn't actually want to do?
Seriously. I didn't WANT to have an extra job and go to school full time while I was in the military. But that's what I had to do to get the things done I wanted to. So I sucked it up and didn't sleep a lot. If I had to do it again, I'd hate it, but I'd do it, because sometimes, that's how life is.
It's lovely how they keep talking about how they hate to work, as if everybody else just loved to wake up earlier in the morning (or stay up until later in the night) and go to work. No, Ophie, Clark, Twatson, Amazingly Fat Atheist, my dears; you're not the only ones that don't like to go to work. But you're part of that category that don't like to go to work (yet are capable of working) and instead opt for beg for money.

A hobo masturbating on the street to Poor Jen to look at it at least can be excused of not working because of potential health and psychiatric problems. Rebecca's excuse is, what? Alcoholism?

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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German LurkBoatsman wrote:Wow, new PopSci article is out:
http://www.popsci.com/blog-network/unpo ... n-invaders

I tried, but I can't bring myself to describe the pure inanity of the article. Summarize one HuffPo article, copy-paste some HuffPo comments for the lulz, put on your worried face for serious issues for one sentence because you're such a serious, serious person. Add two lame jokes. Done.

Rebecca Watson, science communication genius.

Ah, forgot: copy a picture from flickr despite its "no-commercial use" license.
These sort of articles should at least try to teach people something they didn't already know. The only new thing I learned from this one was the meaning of the word trebuchet - a medieval war catapult - and even then I had to google it myself, there was no explanation or link to an explanation and I'm guessing it is not a word that everyone knows.


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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Suet Cardigan wrote:
Just be thankful it wasn't Steffanny Zvan's ass.
You could have the entire convention sign that.

*SMOOCH* GOOD NIGHT, DAMION!

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Poor guy goes through life with a photoshopped head. Must be awful.

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