Bleeding from the Bunghole

Continuation of the post at Abbie Smith's ERV blog (http://scienceblogs.com/erv/)

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Brive1987 » Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:58 pm  •  [Post 20606]

free thoughtpolice wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Who saw 9/11 coming? Condi Rice did, in the FBI report warning that al qaeda planned on using passenger a/c as weapons. She lied about the PDB. The neocons had long craved a "Pearl Harbor Moment" to justify their agenda of wars in the Middle East.


After 9/11 the chant was "no one could have foreseen someone using airplanes as weapons". Aside from the kamikaze pilots of WW2 there was an incident where a disgruntled employee tried to crash a (Fed-ex?) jet into their main sorting facility a few years before 9/11. Then there was the warning from the flight school and the FBI agent in Minnesota.


Yep I remember everyone walking around on Sep 11 going "767s, skyscrapers? Well that was fucking predictable".
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Re: Oh No! Now I've Done It. Again

Postby Mykeru » Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:58 pm  •  [Post 20607]

Badger3k wrote:
Mykeru wrote:And this is what happens when you let your guard down:

You end up feeding the manatee.

On behalf of Lazy Savant and I, allow me to apologize profusely for giving that mean-spirited poo-bag ephemeral purpose.


So that's the whole thing she's harassing you for (remember storifying is harassment)? A joke about wearing a svzn-suit? Of course, why would anyone want to wear it - wouldn't you be afraid of what you'd catch?

Stefunny... :violin:


Oh, excellent point. I will alert Twitter to her storifying harassment
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Badger3k » Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:03 pm  •  [Post 20608]

BarnOwl wrote:Speaking of life being hard for SJWs, PeeZus has a post up about his Clone's money troubles, and links to the following:

http://www.freezepage.com/1383852651IEAJQTXAAZ

Is it his highfalutin' eco-principles? Or is chronic laziness and the usual sense of entitlement and victimhood?

Ya know, Chris, there ARE ways to make a decent, steady income without selling out to evil corporations. In fact, you can work to protect the environment, preserve ecosystems and wild areas, help those who are truly victims of environmental injustice, identify the ways in which environmental toxins harm the health of humans and non-humans, conserve endangered species, design and develop sustainable technologies, and to be a part of any number of other activities that are, on the whole, green and eco-friendly.

Here's the dealio, though: you have to work. Whether you choose to collaborate and adapt your cancer research to include an environmental mutagenesis component (my choice), or to build your own environmental toxicology consulting business based on your EPA experience (a friend's choice), or whatever it is, you have to work.


But...actual work is toxic for SJWs, and they can lose their SJW card if they are caught enjoying it. Unless it is working on arts and crafts projects. That seems to be ok. "Freelance Writer who doesn't really write anything" is really the pinnacle for an SJW, unless you add "Blogger" to the title. Yep, permanent blogger living off donations is the creme de la creme for SJWs.

Under no circumstances can you take your activism off the web, though. That's a sin too terrible to contemplate.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby bhoytony » Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:05 pm  •  [Post 20609]

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:fwiw, Pamela Gay believes in biorhythms:





c. 10:58 she starts in


This is why she is a speaker at all those sceptic cons. She has evidence that her Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ created those biorythms.

I thought it was ridiculous when somebody who thought the universe was created by an invisible superhero was hailed as a great sceptic, but I didn't know she was into pseudoscience as well.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Matt Cavanaugh » Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:15 pm  •  [Post 20610]

Sulman wrote:Times do change. The workplace in particular isn't as robust as it was. My old man worked on Fleet Street when journalists would have legendary alcohol-fuelled lunches, and some of the aggressive behaviour was legendary. It's all gone now.

If you shout at anyone or even display the slightest bit of aggression, you can get into real trouble.


Back in the late '90's, a new dept. head from the UK took us out for some beers. As his idea of an ice-breaker, he tells us a joke:

"Did you hear about the two gay Irishmen? Yeah, Michael Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzmichael."

There was an embarrassed silence until I barked, "Good thing there's no gays or Irishmen at the table!" (There were both.)

I brushed it off at the time, but now I'm reliving a little trauma, because it made me realize my career had hit the Mick Ceiling.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Matt Cavanaugh » Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:29 pm  •  [Post 20611]

Brive1987 wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Who saw 9/11 coming? Condi Rice did, in the FBI report warning that al qaeda planned on using passenger a/c as weapons. She lied about the PDB. The neocons had long craved a "Pearl Harbor Moment" to justify their agenda of wars in the Middle East.


After 9/11 the chant was "no one could have foreseen someone using airplanes as weapons". Aside from the kamikaze pilots of WW2 there was an incident where a disgruntled employee tried to crash a (Fed-ex?) jet into their main sorting facility a few years before 9/11. Then there was the warning from the flight school and the FBI agent in Minnesota.


Yep I remember everyone walking around on Sep 11 going "767s, skyscrapers? Well that was fucking predictable".


What "everyone" was saying doesn't matter. What does is Rice describing as "historical information" a report saying, 'hey we got Egyptian & Saudi nationals here taking flying lessons, but they don't care about take-off or landing, just how to fly straight.'
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby welch » Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:41 pm  •  [Post 20612]

Brive1987 wrote:Amazing how people conflate profiling with skin colour sterotypes. Like there's not a whole array of markers a sophisticated system could use. Special muppetry that.


If you want to point to a post of Harris's where he's discussing profiling in terms of OTHER THAN religion/race, by all means, please do so. Everything i've seen from him, he's only ever going on about 'looking muslim'.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby welch » Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:44 pm  •  [Post 20613]

BarnOwl wrote:Speaking of life being hard for SJWs, PeeZus has a post up about his Clone's money troubles, and links to the following:

http://www.freezepage.com/1383852651IEAJQTXAAZ

Is it his highfalutin' eco-principles? Or is chronic laziness and the usual sense of entitlement and victimhood?

Ya know, Chris, there ARE ways to make a decent, steady income without selling out to evil corporations. In fact, you can work to protect the environment, preserve ecosystems and wild areas, help those who are truly victims of environmental injustice, identify the ways in which environmental toxins harm the health of humans and non-humans, conserve endangered species, design and develop sustainable technologies, and to be a part of any number of other activities that are, on the whole, green and eco-friendly.

Here's the dealio, though: you have to work. Whether you choose to collaborate and adapt your cancer research to include an environmental mutagenesis component (my choice), or to build your own environmental toxicology consulting business based on your EPA experience (a friend's choice), or whatever it is, you have to work.



Or have PZ hook him up with his publisher.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Matt Cavanaugh » Thu Nov 07, 2013 2:01 pm  •  [Post 20614]

bhoytony wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:fwiw, Pamela Gay believes in biorhythms:





c. 10:58 she starts in


This is why she is a speaker at all those sceptic cons. She has evidence that her Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ created those biorythms.

I thought it was ridiculous when somebody who thought the universe was created by an invisible superhero was hailed as a great sceptic, but I didn't know she was into pseudoscience as well.

But she is a SJW. Who needs the "A", so long as you've got the "Plus"?
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Service Dog » Thu Nov 07, 2013 2:14 pm  •  [Post 20615]

I guess Pamela Gay's high school physics teacher was right after all: C+
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Michael J » Thu Nov 07, 2013 2:27 pm  •  [Post 20616]

welch wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote: ...


Bingo.

I also still don't understand something. And I ask in all sincerity for someone to explain it to me:

What fucking "Power" does shermer have? I mean, everyone talks about it as a reason to not cross him. Like if you piss him off he'll....I don't know, but it's fucking bad I suppose.

So can someone who is a part of the "skeptics" movement explain his power to me? Because it sounds like utter bullshit, and completely based on...nothing.


If he had any actual power Myers and Watson would be working the night shift at McDonalds in Alaska
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby BarnOwl » Thu Nov 07, 2013 2:44 pm  •  [Post 20617]

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:fwiw, Pamela Gay believes in biorhythms:

<snip>

c. 10:58 she starts in


In mammals (rats in particular), the maternal circadian rhythm does influence the circadian patterns and expression of clock genes in fetal tissues, in part through the cyclical patterns of melatonin production by her pineal gland (of course there are other signals as well). A quick PubMed search yields a number of recent papers on maternal feeding cycles and their influence on fetal development and chronobiology.

But that wasn't what Pamela Gay seemed to be talking about - she was instead proposing an influence on personality, to correlate with astrological woo or whatever. :roll:
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Re: Oh No! Now I've Done It. Again

Postby James Caruthers » Thu Nov 07, 2013 2:47 pm  •  [Post 20618]

Mykeru wrote:And this is what happens when you let your guard down:

You end up feeding the manatee.

On behalf of Lazy Savant and I, allow me to apologize profusely for giving that mean-spirited poo-bag ephemeral purpose.

I wish they would cut out the pretense.

All of these fucks are in a state of constantly ego-searching for anything related to them. If they can't find what they want with google, they will come to the Pitt and search here.

It's a shame their fans will never figure this shit out. It's like Barack Obama visiting the Fox News discussion forums every single damn day and then posting what he finds on his twatter. "Look at all of the horribleness I receive, just for being black!" Yeah, and I'm sure the ACA, drone strikes, patriot act, gitmo, etc had nothing to do with it? And of course, if he did find some actual racism, he could extrapolate that to represent every single person who doesn't like him. :lol:
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Gefan » Thu Nov 07, 2013 2:51 pm  •  [Post 20619]

A little Clownfall love for FTB's resident satirical genius.



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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Brive1987 » Thu Nov 07, 2013 2:52 pm  •  [Post 20620]

welch wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:Amazing how people conflate profiling with skin colour sterotypes. Like there's not a whole array of markers a sophisticated system could use. Special muppetry that.


If you want to point to a post of Harris's where he's discussing profiling in terms of OTHER THAN religion/race, by all means, please do so. Everything i've seen from him, he's only ever going on about 'looking muslim'.


Firstly and importantly the "look like a Moslem" line of Harris is clunky. Given the topic it would be charitable to interpret this to mean 'identify as'. This is clear from the quotes below.'

There is also a premise at play here that there's a correlation between Islamic terrorism and the threat the profiling is meant to stop. Ie the goal is to narrow the field down to Moslem potential terrorists - or their likely directly related associates. If we don't accept that then we've moved into another intriguing debate.

I also assume that we can agree there is a subset of the 'target' profile that visibly identifies as Islamic? Where that line is drawn is open to dispute. And as you see below this is only one of a number of possible markers.

many of my detractors (like Greenwald) have used this quotation in ways calculated to make readers believe that I want dark-skinned people singled out—and not just in our airports, but everywhere. What my critics always neglect to say, however, is that in the article in which that sentence appears, I explicitly include white, middle-aged men like me in the profile (twice). This still leaves many millions of travelers outside the profile. My point is that we should be giving less scrutiny to people who obviously aren’t jihadists.


To assert that ethnicity, gender, age, nationality, dress, traveling companions, behavior in the terminal, and other outward appearances offer no indication of a person’s beliefs or terrorist potential is either quite crazy or totally dishonest.


But, as I pointed out, and Schneier agreed, the Israelis profile in every sense of the term—racially, ethnically, behaviorally, by nationality and religion, etc. In the end, Schneier’s argument came down to a claim about limited resources: He argued that we are too poor (and, perhaps, too stupid) to effectively copy the Israeli approach. That may be true. But pleading poverty and ineptitude is very different from proving that profiling doesn’t work.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby screwtape » Thu Nov 07, 2013 2:53 pm  •  [Post 20621]

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
bhoytony wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:fwiw, Pamela Gay believes in biorhythms:





c. 10:58 she starts in


This is why she is a speaker at all those sceptic cons. She has evidence that her Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ created those biorythms.

I thought it was ridiculous when somebody who thought the universe was created by an invisible superhero was hailed as a great sceptic, but I didn't know she was into pseudoscience as well.

But she is a SJW. Who needs the "A", so long as you've got the "Plus"?


Been a long time since she fit in the "A" category. I'm guessing EE.
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Re: Bfarte Fauxshag

Postby JayTeeAitch » Thu Nov 07, 2013 2:54 pm  •  [Post 20622]

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A social-justice riot.

See? Even that is funnier than the original Foshaug's.


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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby James Caruthers » Thu Nov 07, 2013 2:59 pm  •  [Post 20623]

Pitchguest wrote:Hehe, I noticed this comment on the NSC thread on Pharyngula:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-715304

Perfectly illustrates, I think, that NSC is not the paragon of objectivity he likes to think he is.

Also, the way they completely hail down on NSC in that thread to boot is hilarious - it almost makes me feel sorry for the guy. Almost. But hey, all the nutcases just exist on the anti-FtB side, right? Right. :whistle:


What I’m talking about here, as far as fault not only being on one side, has mainly to do with diplomacy and effective communication. Even when one is firmly on the right side of an issue, such as when defending gender equality, fairness, safety and inclusiveness, failing to effectively communicate what you’ve got to say, and instead pissing people off, blocking them, banning them, insulting them, and prolonging the enmity is really destructive to your cause. How did those ideals come to be so controversial? I don’t know why that side of this argument has been so difficult to sell. It ought to have been a no-brainer, and the fracas ought to have been over pretty much immediately after it began. How the side championing those principles came to be so virulently hated is really cause for a collective “WTF?!”. It could have, and should have, been argued a lot better. Atheism and secularism ought not be embarrassed by having this as an “issue” hanging over our heads. – NSC


What a breathtaking piece of privileged stupidity. What a gormless, blubber-brained numpty this man must be. I can only express my profound relief that he didn’t stick around on FTB. Those “ideas” (“gender equality, fairness, safety and inclusiveness”) came to be “so controversial”, and “the side championing those principles came to be so virulently hated” because a lot of atheists are irrational misogynist shitbags. It’s that simple, NSC. It really is. If you can’t see it, try removing your head from your fundament.


Sigh. He talks about having a wife, sister, mother, and (50%) daughter. And then he specifically removes himself from promoting their full equality in society. (It’s just not my thing, man.) What blindness! I am sure that if his wife involved herself in the debate and began receiving death threats and obscene drawings and photoshops of rape and violence, his attitude might change.

But then it might not. He seems to be quite stupid that way.

He is the epitome of the “white moderates” which MLK described as the real problem, the ones who advocates that the oppressed continue to accept economic inequality and legal discrimination, up to and including bodily violence and murder, so as to remain polite and non-confrontational.

I think he is as bad or worse than the MRAs — at least you know what side they are on.


Caine: Kevin, what I think a lot of people are trying to articulate is that what NSC said and did is not only very bad, it’s highly damaging. By attempting to tell people on the right side of this mess they’re just doing it wrong, then throwing up his hands and walking away, he’s firmly in the court of the enablers, those who become aware of the massive problem in the room, but shrug and turn their back. Those folks make up the majority, and while they are not remotely as bad as dedicated MRAs, they most certainly aren’t helping, eh?


Well why don't you just fucking murder him then, Caine? You're such a ninja murderer badass, after all.

That entire thread is full of delicious infighting as the commentariat attempts to fucking crucify NSC for taking a "not my problem" stance of FTB's style of social justice warriorism.


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which part is inappropriate to shame him for?

His “both sides” BS which insultingly paints the pro diversity crowd as being anything similar to the anti-harassment policy, pro bullying squad?
No, that deserves shaming.

Perhaps you are referring to shaming him for tut tutting us when he has not made an effort to see that diplomacy has been tried, but rejected. After all, being a united front is of utmost importance. Nevermind that they have bullied, doxxed and harrassed many people. Never mind the rape threats they threw out. The problem was a communications issue on both sides.
Sorry, but his ignorance lead him to criticise this side. As much shit as Ophelia, Greta, Jen, Stephanie and PZ have dealt with, NSC could have simply asked one of them to fill him in. Or read any number of posts.
He should be ashamed.

I like his videos.
I am happy he is going to be a father.

But a bystander armed with inadequate knowledge of a situation is not in the best position to tell us how it should be done…

NSC has a few things to be ashamed of.


Oh, but FTB isn't divisive at all! That Carrier line about being with us or against us? Totally not what we actually believe! There's room for all kinds of nuance in our SJW movement!
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Service Dog » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:04 pm  •  [Post 20624]

Gefan wrote:A little Clownfall love for FTB's resident satirical genius.



I haven't forgotten about you Myers. You're up next.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Aneris » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:10 pm  •  [Post 20625]

Gefan wrote:A little Clownfall love for FTB's resident satirical genius.



I haven't forgotten about you Myers. You're up next.


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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby welch » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:11 pm  •  [Post 20626]

Brive1987 wrote:
welch wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:Amazing how people conflate profiling with skin colour sterotypes. Like there's not a whole array of markers a sophisticated system could use. Special muppetry that.


If you want to point to a post of Harris's where he's discussing profiling in terms of OTHER THAN religion/race, by all means, please do so. Everything i've seen from him, he's only ever going on about 'looking muslim'.


Firstly and importantly the "look like a Moslem" line of Harris is clunky. Given the topic it would be charitable to interpret this to mean 'identify as'. This is clear from the quotes below.'

There is also a premise at play here that there's a correlation between Islamic terrorism and the threat the profiling is meant to stop. Ie the goal is to narrow the field down to Moslem potential terrorists - or their likely directly related associates. If we don't accept that then we've moved into another intriguing debate.

I also assume that we can agree there is a subset of the 'target' profile that visibly identifies as Islamic? Where that line is drawn is open to dispute. And as you see below this is only one of a number of possible markers.

many of my detractors (like Greenwald) have used this quotation in ways calculated to make readers believe that I want dark-skinned people singled out—and not just in our airports, but everywhere. What my critics always neglect to say, however, is that in the article in which that sentence appears, I explicitly include white, middle-aged men like me in the profile (twice). This still leaves many millions of travelers outside the profile. My point is that we should be giving less scrutiny to people who obviously aren’t jihadists.


What. The. Fuck. Does. A. Jihadist. OBVIOUSLY. Look. Like?

Do they run around screaming "I BLOW SHIT UP FOR ALLAH?" That's the bullshit part. The complete bullshit part.

Brive1987 wrote:
To assert that ethnicity, gender, age, nationality, dress, traveling companions, behavior in the terminal, and other outward appearances offer no indication of a person’s beliefs or terrorist potential is either quite crazy or totally dishonest.


Again, how the fuck do you tell a jihadist by:

Ethnicity, gender, age, dress, or traveling companions?

How do you tell *nationality* by that?

He never EVER deals with that. Because again, keep in mind that you can look like a lot of fucking people and still be born in the USA as much as harris. You can be all shades of brown, yellow, red and white. So what fucking good is ethnicity in determining nationality? what the FUCK does GENDER have to do with it or dress?

Harris is clearly, clearly dancing around the fact that in his world, he has a very, *very* specific idea of what a "danger" is and it's not very young, it's not very old, and it's not fucking female, and thank god he's not in charge of anything because his clear prejudices as to what a "danger" is are almost as outdated as that of a member of the British Admiralty circa 1920 suddenly deposited in modern society.

It is neither crazy nor dishonest to assert that you can't tell fuck all about either someone's jihadist status or nationality by ethnicity, gender, age or dress. In fact, he's the one being either dishonest or stupid in insisting that you can.

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But, as I pointed out, and Schneier agreed, the Israelis profile in every sense of the term—racially, ethnically, behaviorally, by nationality and religion, etc. In the end, Schneier’s argument came down to a claim about limited resources: He argued that we are too poor (and, perhaps, too stupid) to effectively copy the Israeli approach. That may be true. But pleading poverty and ineptitude is very different from proving that profiling doesn’t work.


The israelis have a very specific set of entry points to cover, and a very specific set of criteria to worry about. Their problem is rather different from ours.

Harris would do better to admit that he simply doesn't consider anyone who isn't a fit male between the ages of 18 or so to their early 50s as being capable of being dangerous, and that he's simply ignoring the rather large body of evidence that terrorists are looking outside that range.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Pogsurf » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:14 pm  •  [Post 20627]

German LurkBoatsman wrote:
pogsurf wrote:Tricky one, Amsterdam is not a capital city and Beijing is not in Europe.


Amsterdam is the capital, just not the seat of government ;)


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Re: Oh No! Now I've Done It. Again

Postby feralandproud » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:14 pm  •  [Post 20628]

James Caruthers wrote:
Mykeru wrote:And this is what happens when you let your guard down:

You end up feeding the manatee.

On behalf of Lazy Savant and I, allow me to apologize profusely for giving that mean-spirited poo-bag ephemeral purpose.

I wish they would cut out the pretense.

All of these fucks are in a state of constantly ego-searching for anything related to them. If they can't find what they want with google, they will come to the Pitt and search here.

It's a shame their fans will never figure this shit out. It's like Barack Obama visiting the Fox News discussion forums every single damn day and then posting what he finds on his twatter. "Look at all of the horribleness I receive, just for being black!" Yeah, and I'm sure the ACA, drone strikes, patriot act, gitmo, etc had nothing to do with it? And of course, if he did find some actual racism, he could extrapolate that to represent every single person who doesn't like him. :lol:


I just recently started following the online atheist/skeptic community(about 4 months ago). After literally like a week of reading blogs and following links I figured this shit out. If the average FtB "fan" doesn't at least check out the 'pit once in a while, I'll eat my goddamn hat. Willful ignorance is no excuse. They're exactly like schoolyard bullies. They can dish it out, but the second it's returned they're all, "Teacher! Teacher!" That applies to the wannabe celebutards and their fans. I'm so happy I found this place.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby John Greg » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:19 pm  •  [Post 20629]

Gefan, you're fucking brilliant.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Trophy » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:19 pm  •  [Post 20630]

James Caruthers wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:Hehe, I noticed this comment on the NSC thread on Pharyngula:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-715304

Perfectly illustrates, I think, that NSC is not the paragon of objectivity he likes to think he is.

Also, the way they completely hail down on NSC in that thread to boot is hilarious - it almost makes me feel sorry for the guy. Almost. But hey, all the nutcases just exist on the anti-FtB side, right? Right. :whistle:


Thanks for reminding me about that thread. I checked it out and finally they horde has piled up on NSC :lol:. It's too damn funny.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby free thoughtpolice » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:20 pm  •  [Post 20631]

welch wrote:
BarnOwl wrote:Speaking of life being hard for SJWs, PeeZus has a post up about his Clone's money troubles, and links to the following:

http://www.freezepage.com/1383852651IEAJQTXAAZ

Is it his highfalutin' eco-principles? Or is chronic laziness and the usual sense of entitlement and victimhood?

Ya know, Chris, there ARE ways to make a decent, steady income without selling out to evil corporations. In fact, you can work to protect the environment, preserve ecosystems and wild areas, help those who are truly victims of environmental injustice, identify the ways in which environmental toxins harm the health of humans and non-humans, conserve endangered species, design and develop sustainable technologies, and to be a part of any number of other activities that are, on the whole, green and eco-friendly.

Here's the dealio, though: you have to work. Whether you choose to collaborate and adapt your cancer research to include an environmental mutagenesis component (my choice), or to build your own environmental toxicology consulting business based on your EPA experience (a friend's choice), or whatever it is, you have to work.



Or have PZ hook him up with his publisher.


You think his publisher needs his lawn mowed?
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Apples » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:32 pm  •  [Post 20632]

In Chris Clarke's "pity-me" post he claims to own one pair of socks.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Pogsurf » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:34 pm  •  [Post 20633]

welch wrote:Like everything, the trigger warning started out as a good idea and was turned to shit.

For example, if you're going to do a discussion of say...Ted Bundy, and you're going to be going into detail on his crimes, and have various kinds of morbid pictures of his victims or what have you, then the idea was, you warn people that you're going to be talking about and showing some pretty heavy stuff, so if that kind of thing really bothers them, they'd be forewarned and could then take the action they felt was appropriate for them.

Reasonable right? Give people a warning about stuff that most could see as potentially causing some bad reactions.

Fast forward, and now, you basically can't talk about anything without a fucking trigger warning, and it has no goddamned meaning anymore.


I can see two fairly obvious drawbacks to trigger warnings. The first is if you were raped, and the word 'rape' triggers you, then "Trigger warning: rape" will be the thing that triggers you. ie the trigger warning itself is triggering, referred to obliquely in Jan's original joke.

The second is that if when you were raped and the rapist was wearing Brut aftershave, it maybe things like 'Brut' or 'aftershave' that triggers you. That is the triggers might be contained within the whole gamut of otherwise mundane things which no other commentator could reasonably conceive of as triggering.

If trigger warnings were a real thing, somebody somewhere would have written a book or a scientific paper telling people what works best or how to construct them in an effective way. The more I look into it, the more I think trigger warnings are pure woo.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby spiffigt » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:35 pm  •  [Post 20634]

Apples wrote:In Chris Clarke's "pity-me" post he claims to own one pair of socks.

That's more than a lot of people in this harsh world. He needs to check his privilege.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Sarlug » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:41 pm  •  [Post 20635]

Is anyone else starting to think that maybe the SJWs have a point? We keep seeing shit pop up about Groethe and Shermer, welch has done a good job showing why Sam Harris is being stupid about the profiling thing, and Dawkins' various "mild pedophilia" and "honey" gaffes are kinda starting to pile up, to the point where it almost seems like he's going senile or some shit.

Don't get me wrong, they do plenty of silly shit themselves ("Anyone who makes fun of feminism is MARC LEPINE!!" and the infamous Grenade), but sometimes I really do wonder about "our side", whatever it is. :?

Sorry if this seems like concern-trolling or tone-trolling, but I do wonder.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Dick Strawkins » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:44 pm  •  [Post 20636]

Sarlug wrote:Is anyone else starting to think that maybe the SJWs have a point? We keep seeing shit pop up about Groethe and Shermer, welch has done a good job showing why Sam Harris is being stupid about the profiling thing, and Dawkins' various "mild pedophilia" and "honey" gaffes are kinda starting to pile up, to the point where it almost seems like he's going senile or some shit.

Don't get me wrong, they do plenty of silly shit themselves ("Anyone who makes fun of feminism is MARC LEPINE!!" and the infamous Grenade), but sometimes I really do wonder about "our side", whatever it is. :?

Sorry if this seems like concern-trolling or tone-trolling, but I do wonder.


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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Apples » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:48 pm  •  [Post 20637]

spiffigt wrote:
Apples wrote:In Chris Clarke's "pity-me" post he claims to own one pair of socks.

That's more than a lot of people in this harsh world. He needs to check his privilege.


Actually, you're right, given that he also says he spends $40 a month on "mental-health related beer and tacos" plus whatever he has to do to support his methylphenidate addiction.

Also - "I've always been indolent. I've always hated work unless I actually wanted to do it, which has been less frequent than my past employers would have liked."

Um - and this post is supposed to motivate me to help you pay your bills with money that I earned by doing work that I didn't actually want to do?
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Sarlug » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:48 pm  •  [Post 20638]

Dick Strawkins wrote:
Sarlug wrote:Is anyone else starting to think that maybe the SJWs have a point? We keep seeing shit pop up about Groethe and Shermer, welch has done a good job showing why Sam Harris is being stupid about the profiling thing, and Dawkins' various "mild pedophilia" and "honey" gaffes are kinda starting to pile up, to the point where it almost seems like he's going senile or some shit.

Don't get me wrong, they do plenty of silly shit themselves ("Anyone who makes fun of feminism is MARC LEPINE!!" and the infamous Grenade), but sometimes I really do wonder about "our side", whatever it is. :?

Sorry if this seems like concern-trolling or tone-trolling, but I do wonder.


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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Pogsurf » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:49 pm  •  [Post 20639]

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Of course there are people out there who get PTSD when the subject of their trauma comes up. But PTSD is treatable, and should lessen over time if treated. These professional victims want to keep it around as an excuse, and to further their thought police action against ever offending anyone evah.


Good point well made. It seems the purpose of a trigger warning is not so that particular victims can avoid certain material, but instead to flag up to all readers they will soon have an opportunity to big up their own versions of victimhood.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Dick Strawkins » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:52 pm  •  [Post 20640]

Dick Strawkins wrote:
Sarlug wrote:Is anyone else starting to think that maybe the SJWs have a point? We keep seeing shit pop up about Groethe and Shermer, welch has done a good job showing why Sam Harris is being stupid about the profiling thing, and Dawkins' various "mild pedophilia" and "honey" gaffes are kinda starting to pile up, to the point where it almost seems like he's going senile or some shit.

Don't get me wrong, they do plenty of silly shit themselves ("Anyone who makes fun of feminism is MARC LEPINE!!" and the infamous Grenade), but sometimes I really do wonder about "our side", whatever it is. :?

Sorry if this seems like concern-trolling or tone-trolling, but I do wonder.


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And in case you were serious, stop thinking about 'sides'.
Think instead about actions that are consistent with scientific skepticism. Anyone can behave in ways that are better or worse in this regard - it just so happens that Peezus and his sycophants have created such a web of lies to try to support their narrative that skepticism is really a distant memory to them.
Of course DJ Grothe and Dawkins can also behave in non skeptical ways (like hiring that PETA looney as communications director of the JREF!) but they, at least, seem to regard skepticism as a good objective to aim for.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby spiffigt » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:55 pm  •  [Post 20641]

Apples wrote:
spiffigt wrote:
Apples wrote:In Chris Clarke's "pity-me" post he claims to own one pair of socks.

That's more than a lot of people in this harsh world. He needs to check his privilege.


Actually, you're right, given that he also says he spends $40 a month on "mental-health related beer and tacos" plus whatever he has to do to support his methylphenidate addiction.

Also - "I've always been indolent. I've always hated work unless I actually wanted to do it, which has been less frequent than my past employers would have liked."

Um - and this post is supposed to motivate me to help you pay your bills with money that I earned by doing work that I didn't actually want to do?

:violin:
If you put it like this - I would rather throw my (hard earned) cash down a manhole than help people who don't want to work. And that's no bull.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Sarlug » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:57 pm  •  [Post 20642]

Dick Strawkins wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote:
Sarlug wrote:Is anyone else starting to think that maybe the SJWs have a point? We keep seeing shit pop up about Groethe and Shermer, welch has done a good job showing why Sam Harris is being stupid about the profiling thing, and Dawkins' various "mild pedophilia" and "honey" gaffes are kinda starting to pile up, to the point where it almost seems like he's going senile or some shit.

Don't get me wrong, they do plenty of silly shit themselves ("Anyone who makes fun of feminism is MARC LEPINE!!" and the infamous Grenade), but sometimes I really do wonder about "our side", whatever it is. :?

Sorry if this seems like concern-trolling or tone-trolling, but I do wonder.


Hi oolon.

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And in case you were serious, stop thinking about 'sides'.
Think instead about actions that are consistent with scientific skepticism. Anyone can behave in ways that are better or worse in this regard - it just so happens that Peezus and his sycophants have created such a web of lies to try to support their narrative that skepticism is really a distant memory to them.
Of course DJ Grothe and Dawkins can also behave in non skeptical ways (like hiring that PETA looney as communications director of the JREF!) but they, at least, seem to regard skepticism as a good objective to aim for.


Right, my bad. Dawkins and Groethe at least try, which is more than one can say for Myers et. ass. Expecting perfection out of everyone and everything leads to misery.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby welch » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:58 pm  •  [Post 20643]

Pogsurf wrote:
welch wrote:Like everything, the trigger warning started out as a good idea and was turned to shit.

For example, if you're going to do a discussion of say...Ted Bundy, and you're going to be going into detail on his crimes, and have various kinds of morbid pictures of his victims or what have you, then the idea was, you warn people that you're going to be talking about and showing some pretty heavy stuff, so if that kind of thing really bothers them, they'd be forewarned and could then take the action they felt was appropriate for them.

Reasonable right? Give people a warning about stuff that most could see as potentially causing some bad reactions.

Fast forward, and now, you basically can't talk about anything without a fucking trigger warning, and it has no goddamned meaning anymore.


I can see two fairly obvious drawbacks to trigger warnings. The first is if you were raped, and the word 'rape' triggers you, then "Trigger warning: rape" will be the thing that triggers you. ie the trigger warning itself is triggering, referred to obliquely in Jan's original joke.

The second is that if when you were raped and the rapist was wearing Brut aftershave, it maybe things like 'Brut' or 'aftershave' that triggers you. That is the triggers might be contained within the whole gamut of otherwise mundane things which no other commentator could reasonably conceive of as triggering.

If trigger warnings were a real thing, somebody somewhere would have written a book or a scientific paper telling people what works best or how to construct them in an effective way. The more I look into it, the more I think trigger warnings are pure woo.



I always looked at them, when properly used, as a courtesy. "Hey, this is going to get heavy in this area. If that's a problem, I'm giving you a heads up". They're not supposed to have some kind of super trauma avoidance power. It's kind of like apologizing if you accidentally sneeze on someone. Just a bit of courtesy, nothing more.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby ROBOKiTTY » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:59 pm  •  [Post 20644]

Sarlug wrote:Is anyone else starting to think that maybe the SJWs have a point? We keep seeing shit pop up about Groethe and Shermer, welch has done a good job showing why Sam Harris is being stupid about the profiling thing, and Dawkins' various "mild pedophilia" and "honey" gaffes are kinda starting to pile up, to the point where it almost seems like he's going senile or some shit.

Don't get me wrong, they do plenty of silly shit themselves ("Anyone who makes fun of feminism is MARC LEPINE!!" and the infamous Grenade), but sometimes I really do wonder about "our side", whatever it is. :?

Sorry if this seems like concern-trolling or tone-trolling, but I do wonder.


The stated goal of their actions has a point. If you look at what Atheism+ is supposed to be about (minus all the divisive language), it sounds like something most reasonable skeptics would support. Publicly, they're all about basic human decency, equality, inclusiveness, and other laudable ideals. I suspect 99% of pitters in fact support those things. But once you examine how the SJWs go about their online business, you see they are toxic people who are doing the very opposite of what would foster their stated ideals.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby welch » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:01 pm  •  [Post 20645]

Sarlug wrote:Is anyone else starting to think that maybe the SJWs have a point? We keep seeing shit pop up about Groethe and Shermer, welch has done a good job showing why Sam Harris is being stupid about the profiling thing, and Dawkins' various "mild pedophilia" and "honey" gaffes are kinda starting to pile up, to the point where it almost seems like he's going senile or some shit.

Don't get me wrong, they do plenty of silly shit themselves ("Anyone who makes fun of feminism is MARC LEPINE!!" and the infamous Grenade), but sometimes I really do wonder about "our side", whatever it is. :?

Sorry if this seems like concern-trolling or tone-trolling, but I do wonder.


if you stop thinking about things in terms of sides and groups, it gets easier. I don't think Harris is a bad guy or a stupid one. Clearly, he's not. But I think in this one instance, he has a bit of a blind spot and is kind of defensive about it. That doesn't say anything about him or anyone else other than that.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby welch » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:02 pm  •  [Post 20646]

Apples wrote:
spiffigt wrote:
Apples wrote:In Chris Clarke's "pity-me" post he claims to own one pair of socks.

That's more than a lot of people in this harsh world. He needs to check his privilege.


Actually, you're right, given that he also says he spends $40 a month on "mental-health related beer and tacos" plus whatever he has to do to support his methylphenidate addiction.

Also - "I've always been indolent. I've always hated work unless I actually wanted to do it, which has been less frequent than my past employers would have liked."

Um - and this post is supposed to motivate me to help you pay your bills with money that I earned by doing work that I didn't actually want to do?


Seriously. I didn't WANT to have an extra job and go to school full time while I was in the military. But that's what I had to do to get the things done I wanted to. So I sucked it up and didn't sleep a lot. If I had to do it again, I'd hate it, but I'd do it, because sometimes, that's how life is.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Apples » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:08 pm  •  [Post 20647]

Sarlug wrote:Is anyone else starting to think that maybe the SJWs have a point? We keep seeing shit pop up about Groethe and Shermer, welch has done a good job showing why Sam Harris is being stupid about the profiling thing, and Dawkins' various "mild pedophilia" and "honey" gaffes are kinda starting to pile up, to the point where it almost seems like he's going senile or some shit.

Don't get me wrong, they do plenty of silly shit themselves ("Anyone who makes fun of feminism is MARC LEPINE!!" and the infamous Grenade), but sometimes I really do wonder about "our side", whatever it is. :?

Sorry if this seems like concern-trolling or tone-trolling, but I do wonder.


I admit that Grothe's "disruptive" trans comment raised my eyebrows, and Bayes' theorem seems to indicate Shermer is a pretty sloppy drunk. The hate-on for Dawkins still seems to me to be pure spite because he wouldn't kiss Twatson's ass, and I don't give a shit about Harris either way.

Thing is - even if they were 100% right that 9 out of 10 atheo/skeptical "leaders" are unreconstructed sexist scumbags, the SJWs are still a toxic fungus on humanity's intellectual ballsack.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Sarlug » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:09 pm  •  [Post 20648]

ROBOKiTTY wrote:The stated goal of their actions has a point. If you look at what Atheism+ is supposed to be about (minus all the divisive language), it sounds like something most reasonable skeptics would support. Publicly, they're all about basic human decency, equality, inclusiveness, and other laudable ideals. I suspect 99% of pitters in fact support those things. But once you examine how the SJWs go about their online business, you see they are toxic people who are doing the very opposite of what would foster their stated ideals.


Right, right. The endless death threats, flaming, and attempts to get people fired doesn't really gel with "human decency" or "equality".

welch wrote:if you stop thinking about things in terms of sides and groups, it gets easier. I don't think Harris is a bad guy or a stupid one. Clearly, he's not. But I think in this one instance, he has a bit of a blind spot and is kind of defensive about it. That doesn't say anything about him or anyone else other than that.


Good point. Everyone's an idiot about something.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Huehuehue » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:11 pm  •  [Post 20649]

Sarlug wrote:Is anyone else starting to think that maybe the SJWs have a point? We keep seeing shit pop up about Groethe and Shermer, welch has done a good job showing why Sam Harris is being stupid about the profiling thing, and Dawkins' various "mild pedophilia" and "honey" gaffes are kinda starting to pile up, to the point where it almost seems like he's going senile or some shit.

Don't get me wrong, they do plenty of silly shit themselves ("Anyone who makes fun of feminism is MARC LEPINE!!" and the infamous Grenade), but sometimes I really do wonder about "our side", whatever it is. :?

Sorry if this seems like concern-trolling or tone-trolling, but I do wonder.


Never understood why something like this would be dubbed "concern-trolling".

But anyway, from my point of view the issue isn't "sides" insofar as "side A" despises Shermer therefore we as "side B" need to revere and love him. We're not here to oppose the SJW's on everything they bring up. Just because an SJW says something, doesn't mean that it's wrong. Also doesn't preclude SJWs from occasionally making some kind of relevant point. Having said that, I find they are off the mark the vast majority of the time. Imho, we're just here to talk about stuff, generally being pro-skepticism, while decrying the anti-skepticism view that the SJW types seem to engage in.

Example with the whole Shermer accusation, my point isn't that it didn't happen (since I have no idea), it's that the "grenade" post is not how you go about it. But we don't simply adopt the opposite of what an SJW says just because they're "the enemy" or some rubbish like that.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby FlyingV » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:15 pm  •  [Post 20650]

Sarlug wrote:Is anyone else starting to think that maybe the SJWs have a point? We keep seeing shit pop up about Groethe and Shermer, welch has done a good job showing why Sam Harris is being stupid about the profiling thing, and Dawkins' various "mild pedophilia" and "honey" gaffes are kinda starting to pile up, to the point where it almost seems like he's going senile or some shit.

Don't get me wrong, they do plenty of silly shit themselves ("Anyone who makes fun of feminism is MARC LEPINE!!" and the infamous Grenade), but sometimes I really do wonder about "our side", whatever it is. :?

Sorry if this seems like concern-trolling or tone-trolling, but I do wonder.


The problem lies with hero-worship. When someone becomes a celebrity (and they are minor celebrities) everything that they do is analyzed, torn apart and lashed with a wet noodle. People expect perfection and become extremely disappointed when those expectations are not met. In the case of the SJW's,they capitalize on the instances when they catch someone of "power" acting like a human. I mean, they tore apart Harriett Hall for a f***ing t-shirt for f***'s sake. It's easy to find fault in almost every single person alive. Dawkins on his worst day is still better than me on my best.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby ROBOKiTTY » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:15 pm  •  [Post 20651]

I don't think it's right to shame people for not wanting to work or even not working. If I had the means to enjoy a decent standard of living without having to work, I wouldn't want to work either. Not everyone has the luxury (dare I say privilege?) of having a dream job, and trust-fund babies get by just fine without that much social disapproval. It's when people are actively leeching from society (which Rebecca Watson and many SJWs are) that they deserve shaming.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Ape+lust » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:22 pm  •  [Post 20652]

I always laugh when Ophelia puts trigger warnings right on top of triggering content, like a ROAD OUT sign at the bottom of a pit. That's someone who's just going through the motions, using tribal incantations because she's supposed to.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Aneris » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:34 pm  •  [Post 20653]

Sarlug wrote:Is anyone else starting to think that maybe the SJWs have a point? We keep seeing shit pop up about Groethe and Shermer, welch has done a good job showing why Sam Harris is being stupid about the profiling thing, and Dawkins' various "mild pedophilia" and "honey" gaffes are kinda starting to pile up, to the point where it almost seems like he's going senile or some shit.

Don't get me wrong, they do plenty of silly shit themselves ("Anyone who makes fun of feminism is MARC LEPINE!!" and the infamous Grenade), but sometimes I really do wonder about "our side", whatever it is. :?

Sorry if this seems like concern-trolling or tone-trolling, but I do wonder.


You're welcome to ask those questions. There is no side here. It's an open forum and it is made by everyone who posts here. Nobody is stopping critics of Dawkins etc. to sign up. Nobody also speaks for the Slymepit, so even that is an opinion.

I don't feel I am somehow in a team with Grothe or Shermer just because some other gang dislikes them, and I happen to dislike what this other gang does. If tomorrow came out that every single accusation was true, it would not change anything for me. Many people didn't like Grothe's comments on trans here, and I don't recall where people defended Shermer just because. The main point has been that someone should be considered innocent until pronounced guilty and that such a case was better handled by proper authorities, not by some rage bloggers and his horde who didn't like him anyway. I didn't find the arguments of the accusers convincing, either. I simply don't believe people they wanted to protect women, but waited some years before it occured to them to make a point about it (and then, despite knowing four names at least, swept some under the rug quickly again when they noticed it would be perhaps a little bit too much). Many of these things seem to go back to a feud of Carrie Poppy with some other people, as she is behind many of the allegations. She was washing dirty linen in public.

It is similar with Dawkins. Here we have "Dear Muslima" manufactuversy and Rebecca Watson who started a campaign against him. Dawkins always had his fleas who criticized him: the faithful, accommodationists and culturalist never liked him for various reasons. When Rebecca Watson became a polarizing figure, Dawkins and everyone in here landed on the other side. And just as everyone else was subsequently demonized by Myers and the gang. Once you have a narrative in place, you can exploit it and frame everything. Oh look, Dawkins is finding a cure for cancer to help his reputation! I mean, Twitter is not exactly a platform for important historical monologues. Can't he tweet about the little things and connect it with some point? What exactly is the problem with it? And his "mild pedophilia" is also context dependent. Something happened to him. And he alone can place how harmful or terrible it was to him, and I hope it doesn't need discussion that transgression of that kind aren't On/Off but also have qualitative differences from watching boys in the shower to raping them. I didn't see convincing discussions by the Commentariat gang on relative to absolute meaning, etc. But the idiot gang was led by their hatred of Dawkins since "dear Muslima" and thus went for the most negative interpretation available. Everything else was just written around it (as usual).

Harris -- the same thing. He is hated by the SJW brigades and then they assume everyone who isn't on their side must embrace Harris' every thought. This isn't the case. I don't even see a need to pass judgement over a whole person with diverse opinions and some body of work, much less cast them away because they might have said something I didn't agree with. This is the difference. If there is a side, it's the Commentariat, united as judgemental people who hate and who think Highlander-Style (t/h ERV) that if they got rid of the current leadership their own gang could take over the movement. Maybe not as comical, but at the very least, advance their own agenda points.

It is their hatred and their conformist views that have them emerge as one side, the "other side" is pretty much everyone else -- and they are still more like herding cats. Otherwise "this other side" would have already ganged up and laughed Myers, Watson, Zvan, Benson and Co. out of the room.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Brive1987 » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:44 pm  •  [Post 20654]

Re profiling sans the "nested quotes of hell"

Harris doesn't say he can "see a jihadist" . You have turned his comment around and effectively knocked down the resulting construct.

He says there are reasonable (not infallible) grounds for not expending energy on certain categories of people - given resources, precedent and common sense. Not a 100% guarantee, just pragmatics.

And no what's left are not jihadists either. Just a group you may want to pay slightly more attention to, again based on the premise I outlined in my post.

I hope that the quotes provided at least answer the charge that race is all Harris talks about or refers to.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby dogen » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:47 pm  •  [Post 20655]

Pogsurf wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Of course there are people out there who get PTSD when the subject of their trauma comes up. But PTSD is treatable, and should lessen over time if treated. These professional victims want to keep it around as an excuse, and to further their thought police action against ever offending anyone evah.


Good point well made. It seems the purpose of a trigger warning is not so that particular victims can avoid certain material, but instead to flag up to all readers they will soon have an opportunity to big up their own versions of victimhood.


Indeed -- these trigger warnings seem like aperitifs, to get the Gastric Juices of Shaking Rage flowing...
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby free thoughtpolice » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:48 pm  •  [Post 20656]

Goodbye Enemy Janine (former Janine, Hallucinating Liar) wrote:
Goodbye Enemy Janine

7 November 2013 at 1:18 am (UTC -6)

@Lazy_Savant is one the more prominent slymie tweeterers. And one of those who whines the most about the block_bot. Because what person would not love to read the witty banter between him and Mykeru?


Has Lazy_Savant ever posted here? Or is Janine doing her regular schtick of hallucinating and lying at the same time?
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Aneris » Thu Nov 07, 2013 5:02 pm  •  [Post 20657]

free thoughtpolice wrote:Goodbye Enemy Janine (former Janine, Hallucinating Liar) wrote:
Goodbye Enemy Janine

7 November 2013 at 1:18 am (UTC -6)

@Lazy_Savant is one the more prominent slymie tweeterers. And one of those who whines the most about the block_bot. Because what person would not love to read the witty banter between him and Mykeru?


Has Lazy_Savant ever posted here? Or is Janine doing her regular schtick of hallucinating and lying at the same time?


Nobody is registered with that user name. Not that it made a difference. Any person who is mildly associated is enough to make it all about the whole. We spoof their actual comments (with source). Nerd is being made fun of for the things he writes, Myers for what he writes and so on. And they are lampooned for traits they consistently express. Plus some general points that emerge about them as a culture. They, however, collectively hate everyone based on what one or five people write. The women faction, curiously, is always about feeling victimized. Their men are always ragey and angry. In SJW land, the gender roles are very traditional.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby windy » Thu Nov 07, 2013 5:09 pm  •  [Post 20658]

BarnOwl wrote:Speaking of life being hard for SJWs, PeeZus has a post up about his Clone's money troubles, and links to the following:

http://www.freezepage.com/1383852651IEAJQTXAAZ


Clone sez:
This week I saw mention of a survey in which freelance science writers reported their annual incomes. Mine right now is about one third the mean.


Must be this survey.
http://www.theopennotebook.com/2013/11/ ... ournalism/

The average was $52000, but they excluded anyone making $15000 or less "on the assumption that they are likely earning alternative sources of income." And since it was an online survey, you can question how representative it is.

Clarke's one third of the average would be about $17,000. Probably hard to make ends meet on that as a sole income, but not exactly peanuts for freelance writing, either(?)

From this survey, people who work 40 to 49 hours per week make an average of around $12,000 more than those who work less than 40 hours. Amp it up to 50 to 59 hours per week and respondents made $17,500 more than those who work less than that 40-hour baseline. Finally, those who work 60 hours or more make $23,000 more than those who work less than 40 hours. Workaholics are winning, it seems.


No word on how much extra income 'selling out to the man' brings...
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby ConcentratedH2O, OM » Thu Nov 07, 2013 5:15 pm  •  [Post 20659]

Ape+lust wrote:I always laugh when Ophelia puts trigger warnings right on top of triggering content, like a ROAD OUT sign at the bottom of a pit. That's someone who's just going through the motions, using tribal incantations because she's supposed to.


This was a classic. A trigger warning just a centimeter above a photo of naked African girls having their virginity assessed by adults opening up their sexes to look for an intact hymen. And I've only just noticed that the image was removed when I went back to look for this. Believe me, the whole uncensored image was right there directly beneath the "trigger warning".

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby ConcentratedH2O, OM » Thu Nov 07, 2013 5:17 pm  •  [Post 20660]

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:I always laugh when Ophelia puts trigger warnings right on top of triggering content, like a ROAD OUT sign at the bottom of a pit. That's someone who's just going through the motions, using tribal incantations because she's supposed to.


This was a classic. A trigger warning just a centimeter above a photo of naked African girls having their virginity assessed by adults opening up their sexes to look for an intact hymen. And I've only just noticed that the image was removed when I went back to look for this. Believe me, the whole uncensored image was right there directly beneath the "trigger warning".

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PS, when I originally posted this (making the same point then as now) I obscured the image, as it was pretty nasty. Opheliar had no such qualms.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Dick Strawkins » Thu Nov 07, 2013 5:19 pm  •  [Post 20661]

windy wrote:
German LurkBoatsman wrote:
windy wrote:Dumbass edited her own quote, when the original is publicly available!

I guess she's found that random groping accusations have a much more receptive audience in skepticism than in astronomy. "A good story improves in the telling"


No, that's not exactly true. In the 2012 talk she just separated both accounts. She goes first with "had my ass slapped etc as an astronomer" and in a later part adds: also had my ass slapped, tits groped in this community (but, important, not at this TAM / not at TAM). So the stuff was all there in the 2012 telling.


I noticed that, but why didn't she just quote that instead of editing the original "had my ass slapped etc as an astronomer" account? It seems she's now trying to downplay the astronomer part and make it seem like she was actually upset over some skeptic "men in power".


There's something else that doesn't seem to fit with the evidence.
She gives a very specific timing regarding the attempted groping incident from the famous skeptic:
"the one who staggered at my breasts at the moment of our introduction"
But there are various pictures of Pamela Gay at the event in question with the accused - posing for photos together, with their arms around each others shoulders.
We previously heard that DJ Grothe dragged Shermer away when the incident (whatever it was) occurred.
But wouldn't that make it impossible for Shermer and her to be photographed together at the event - except at the exact moment of attack?

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Tribble » Thu Nov 07, 2013 5:36 pm  •  [Post 20662]

Really liked Gefan's new video.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Tribble » Thu Nov 07, 2013 5:53 pm  •  [Post 20663]

welch wrote:Seriously. I didn't WANT to have an extra job and go to school full time while I was in the military. But that's what I had to do to get the things done I wanted to. So I sucked it up and didn't sleep a lot. If I had to do it again, I'd hate it, but I'd do it, because sometimes, that's how life is.
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To put myself through college I worked full-time, typically 45-hours a week and went to school at night and Saturdays for my first three years. Right before my junior year I quit my full-time job and went part-time because it was starting to break me down. I worked for another year (part-time) and had saved enough money I didn't work again until graduate school.

Like you, I'd do it again. But I'd pick a different major. Probably medicine.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Rope apologist » Thu Nov 07, 2013 5:54 pm  •  [Post 20664]

Clarke's poor because he doesn't sell out?

What does that say about PZ?

Just to be fair, it's quite within the realm of possibility that neither sells out, yet only one really suffers because of it. But so what? No case was made even that Clarke didn't sell out, let alone that he's poor because of that.

Slogans are about all we get from PZ. After all, shouldn't Clarke be "privileged"? So the BS about being poor because of principle, when I'm afraid that I didn't see much principle in his moderation of the Pharyngula cesspool (so ok, he quit, possibly in part because of such conflicts, but he stays on good terms with the leader of the cesspool--thus hardly standing on principle).
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Tribble » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:08 pm  •  [Post 20665]

Dick Strawkins wrote:There's something else that doesn't seem to fit with the evidence.
She gives a very specific timing regarding the attempted groping incident from the famous skeptic:
"the one who staggered at my breasts at the moment of our introduction"
But there are various pictures of Pamela Gay at the event in question with the accused - posing for photos together, with their arms around each others shoulders.
We previously heard that DJ Grothe dragged Shermer away when the incident (whatever it was) occurred.
But wouldn't that make it impossible for Shermer and her to be photographed together at the event - except at the exact moment of attack?

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Yeah. Funny that.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby another lurker » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:09 pm  •  [Post 20666]

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Welch wrote:Threats of violence are ... almost always a sign of weakness - an attempt at bullying the other person into submission.


You deserve a rotting porcupine shoved up your rectum for that comment.


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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Service Dog » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:15 pm  •  [Post 20667]

Chris Clarke,
You're a washed-up old white science guy in the desert, with health problems.
You say you don't know how long you've got left.
You're running low on cash and Methylphenidate.

The solution is obvious: go get a second job, washing cars.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Ape+lust » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:19 pm  •  [Post 20668]

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
Ape+lust wrote:I always laugh when Ophelia puts trigger warnings right on top of triggering content, like a ROAD OUT sign at the bottom of a pit. That's someone who's just going through the motions, using tribal incantations because she's supposed to.


This was a classic. A trigger warning just a centimeter above a photo of naked African girls having their virginity assessed by adults opening up their sexes to look for an intact hymen. And I've only just noticed that the image was removed when I went back to look for this. Believe me, the whole uncensored image was right there directly beneath the "trigger warning".

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PS, when I originally posted this (making the same point then as now) I obscured the image, as it was pretty nasty. Opheliar had no such qualms.


That situation was hilarious, Ophelia at her weirdest. She knew the reaction she'd get, because she caught flak earlier for posting a death pic without warning. Which made her unhappy, since she felt the entire blog came with an "implicit trigger warning" (B&W = ogrish.com for justice warriors). So, it can't be any surprise her stunt would get read as "I gotcher trigger warning right he-ah," because it's probably what she was doing!
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby ConcentratedH2O, OM » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:32 pm  •  [Post 20669]

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Who's that rosy-cheeked little boy in all the photos?
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Service Dog » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:38 pm  •  [Post 20670]

Speaking of Methylphenidate (RItalin), I wondered how it stacks up against Methamphetamine.

Google led to blogs about recreational Ritalin snorting. This caught my eye:

"Some people I know like to snort it to keep their heads up when they're drinking."

Which brings to mind the point Dick Strawkins made, a few days ago-- about waking blackouts while drinking (and consent).

How much of today's traumatic sexual blundering involves victims who are drinking alcohol-- on top of their prescriptions for Ritalin, Adderal, anti-anxiety pills, anti-depressants?

I can see that being a big factor in the memory-loss problem, as well as contributing to disassociative gaps between what people viscerally Do vs. what they intellectually Want. Those drugs could even be a factor in hypersensitivity to all forms of being touched.
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