Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Pogsurf wrote:From the Spambot filter question:
Which is not a European capital city? Paris, London, Amsterdam, Rome, Beijing:
Tricky one, Amsterdam is not a capital city and Beijing is not in Europe.
Nor is London.

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Re: Bleeding from the Slavehole

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Remick wrote:
welch wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote: Boy, have I triggered an avalanche of self-pity with that post!?
FYI: When I started My Company, I was in secondary school year 10, with nary a brass razoo to my name.
READ: NO MONEY TO INVEST.
I had to gain cash-flow via delivering the goods to my clients.

But with a drive and vision.

You are spouting nonsense.

So you can cut-out that bullshit guilt-trip.
I had negative money to invest, yet raised a child and employed whinging fuckers like you.
And paid their superannuation.
Fucking wage-slaves bitching about how they "could do it better than their employers', yet studiously avoiding taking that action annoy me, potentially more, than Rebecca Watson.
Right. Because all companies are the same, all industries are the same and your company and your model is the only one anyone needs regardless of industry or product or service.

Of course, you have yet to detail your industry, your company, your product/service, etc. So we have no fucking data to go on. But by god, it worked for you, IT WILL THEREFORE WORK FOR ALL.

Okay grampy.
Hey, Gramps only succeeded because he is better than all of us. There was not luck involved ever, at any points. Just hard work and being better than all us 'wage slave' fools.
that assumes you regard owning your own business as being better than working for someone else. Some people really want to do that, and more power to them. But it doesn't make anyone more or less of a success than anyone else.

I've never had any serious urge to do that. Part of it comes from an honest appraisal of my skills, I know there are things critical to running a business that I suck at, and hate doing. Part of it comes from the knowledge that there's always a tradeoff. I'm not the person in charge, so I don't always win, but I'm also not ultimately responsible for everything that happens. I know what I'm there to do, and as long as I get to do that without unreasonable levels of being fucked with, I'm fine with that. I like being part of a team, I don't necessarily need to be in charge.

The benefits to me? I get to go home at a reasonable time far more often than not. My life is not overly entwined with my employer's. If the pay or situation at one job becomes untenable, I am far more able to go somewhere else. That's ended up being quite the advantage, as it's a large reason for the breadth of my experience.

Everything is a tradeoff, and I've never found the equation you have to balance to run your own business to be one that works out well for me. That may change one day, but for now, and really, since 1986, it's not, and I'm rather happy about the results overall. So is MKG "more" of a success than me? Not from where I sit, and when it comes to me, I have the only opinion that ultimately matters.

Yes, when you're not the lead dog, the view is a tad monotonous, but you also have more people to talk to.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Guest wrote:
welch wrote:To use a trope the SJW idiots love...if MLK and Malcom X had said "no, we have to wait for those in power to change things on their own, we're powerless", the Civil Rights movement would have had no results at all.
but speaking truth to power has risks and can cause problems for the reporters! you didnt see mlk or malcom x take any risks and suffer any problems, did you???
Good point. I mean, it's not like they suffered for their cause like you know...setar.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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German LurkBoatsman wrote:
windy wrote:Dumbass edited her own quote, when the original is publicly available!

I guess she's found that random groping accusations have a much more receptive audience in skepticism than in astronomy. "A good story improves in the telling"
No, that's not exactly true. In the 2012 talk she just separated both accounts. She goes first with "had my ass slapped etc as an astronomer" and in a later part adds: also had my ass slapped, tits groped in this community (but, important, not at this TAM / not at TAM). So the stuff was all there in the 2012 telling.
I noticed that, but why didn't she just quote that instead of editing the original "had my ass slapped etc as an astronomer" account? It seems she's now trying to downplay the astronomer part and make it seem like she was actually upset over some skeptic "men in power".

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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ERV wrote:This is how I imagine a normal day in FfTB world:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jessicamisener/ ... t-yourself

It seems like life is just so hard for them...
They really are the embodiments of the "before" schlameezels in an infomercial.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Welch wrote:Threats of violence are ... almost always a sign of weakness - an attempt at bullying the other person into submission.
You deserve a rotting porcupine shoved up your rectum for that comment.

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Tapir wrote:
No....I was referring to Caine's not-woo-at-all ability to fuck with electrical equipment using the power of her....fuck knows. Rage? Shaking?
I believe her power to kill electronics come from her powers of The Spiritual Rat Mother, where she uses her magic powers to remotely chew through power cords. :twisted:

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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John D wrote:Well..... If Welch and I agree with each other (an event of exceptional scarcity), then we must be right!
Uh oh. If you two always disagree it means that at least one of you is always wrong so now that you two agree, it's more likely that you are both wrong than you are both right ...

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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welch wrote:
Bingo.

I also still don't understand something. And I ask in all sincerity for someone to explain it to me:

What fucking "Power" does shermer have? I mean, everyone talks about it as a reason to not cross him. Like if you piss him off he'll....I don't know, but it's fucking bad I suppose.

So can someone who is a part of the "skeptics" movement explain his power to me? Because it sounds like utter bullshit, and completely based on...nothing.
Projection.

I mean, it's theoretical, but there's a possibility. He could declare that those who crossed him need to be persona non grata in the movement or he'll take his ball and go home. He'll demand that editors not publish their writings, or that conference organizers not invite those people as speakers (or even ban them entirely).

Would Shermer do this? I don't know him from a hole in the wall, so I'll assume no. However, do we know anybody who would do this? Do we?

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free thoughtpolice wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Who saw 9/11 coming? Condi Rice did, in the FBI report warning that al qaeda planned on using passenger a/c as weapons. She lied about the PDB. The neocons had long craved a "Pearl Harbor Moment" to justify their agenda of wars in the Middle East.
After 9/11 the chant was "no one could have foreseen someone using airplanes as weapons". Aside from the kamikaze pilots of WW2 there was an incident where a disgruntled employee tried to crash a (Fed-ex?) jet into their main sorting facility a few years before 9/11. Then there was the warning from the flight school and the FBI agent in Minnesota.
The DoE (I think) also conducted a test to see if a reactor cooling tower could survive the impact of a plane. So they rammed and old F4 into one. Great footage, the plane basically disintegrated on impact. I think I watched this on Nova on PBS years ago and the test was done in the 70's.

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Karmakin wrote:
welch wrote:
Bingo.

I also still don't understand something. And I ask in all sincerity for someone to explain it to me:

What fucking "Power" does shermer have? I mean, everyone talks about it as a reason to not cross him. Like if you piss him off he'll....I don't know, but it's fucking bad I suppose.

So can someone who is a part of the "skeptics" movement explain his power to me? Because it sounds like utter bullshit, and completely based on...nothing.
Projection.

I mean, it's theoretical, but there's a possibility. He could declare that those who crossed him need to be persona non grata in the movement or he'll take his ball and go home. He'll demand that editors not publish their writings, or that conference organizers not invite those people as speakers (or even ban them entirely).

Would Shermer do this? I don't know him from a hole in the wall, so I'll assume no. However, do we know anybody who would do this? Do we?
So basically, unless you're employed by a CFI or similar, Shermer has exactly zero power over you.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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You can't write a better soap opera than this. I hope Phil complains about Pamela sexually harassing him by grabbing his chest since he is currently the only one that has the proof to make a case.

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Dick Strawkins wrote: I've mentioned about situations in my own experience involving sexual harassment in academia and that my in opinion they are symptoms of a larger issue - the power differential between senior adacemics and people starting their careers. If you have a system whereby there is no blowback for acting like a tyrant then people who do so will stay in those positions for longer.

I recall an incident from my first research job that might illustrate the point.
I got a job in a lab in the early 1990s, looking for genes involved in certain types of leukemia. The group worked in collaboration with a team in Oxford who were much more experienced in the field, and I was sent to work in the Oxford lab for a few months to learn the necessary techniques and bring them back to our lab.
The head of the Oxford group, I was warned, had a bit of a reputation for his temper, so best not try to antagonize him while I was there.
Things went OK for a couple of months until one day I got into an argument with one of the senior scientists in the group. She decided she wanted to use me as a technician for the group, washing bottles, preparing buffers and cataloguing patient sample, rather than teaching me the techniques I had been sent there to acquire and when I pointed out that I was being paid by another group to learn the techniques she stormed off to complain to the group leader.
I was called into a meeting with the two of them and he, the group leader, proceeded to threaten to physically kill me if I didn't do exactly what I was told to do by the senior scientist.
Receiving death threats is part of what it means to be a scientist. :violin:

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ReneeHendricks wrote:
ERV wrote:This is how I imagine a normal day in FfTB world:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jessicamisener/ ... t-yourself

It seems like life is just so hard for them...
This is how I imagine they all start their days:
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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Welch wrote:Threats of violence are ... almost always a sign of weakness - an attempt at bullying the other person into submission.
You deserve a rotting porcupine shoved up your rectum for that comment.
Salvor Hardin often said that violence is the last refuge of the incompetent. I disagree somewhat - I don't think it's ALWAYS the last refuge.

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Re: Oh No! Now I've Done It. Again

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Mykeru wrote:And this is what happens when you let your guard down:

You end up feeding the manatee.

On behalf of Lazy Savant and I, allow me to apologize profusely for giving that mean-spirited poo-bag ephemeral purpose.
So that's the whole thing she's harassing you for (remember storifying is harassment)? A joke about wearing a svzn-suit? Of course, why would anyone want to wear it - wouldn't you be afraid of what you'd catch?

Stefunny... :violin:

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Amazing how people conflate profiling with skin colour sterotypes. Like there's not a whole array of markers a sophisticated system could use. Special muppetry that.

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Lsuoma wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Welch wrote:Threats of violence are ... almost always a sign of weakness - an attempt at bullying the other person into submission.
You deserve a rotting porcupine shoved up your rectum for that comment.
Salvor Hardin often said that violence is the last refuge of the incompetent. I disagree somewhat - I don't think it's ALWAYS the last refuge.
Or always the LAST refuge...

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Re jobs and bosses. Fair to say many people have skills relevant to large corps or specialised bodies. Ie not all are suited to entrepreneurial ventures. Chances are the idiot bosses there did not start the business.

Most wage slaves are survivors and just want to be allowed to try and do good things.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Lsuoma wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote:
welch wrote:
The irony is, by overly concentrating their efforts in a small area, they've created a target. Think of the screening areas in most major U.S. airports say, the day before thanksgiving or december 23rd. Small area, packed with people, still outside the security zone.

that is a terrifyingly target-rich environment. I'm more nervous about the security area than I am about the plane.
There was one attempt, in Glasgow I think, by a couple of terrorists with a home made car bomb that they tried (and failed) to drive through the doors of one of the terminals.
Propane cylinders:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Glasg ... ort_attack
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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fwiw, Pamela Gay believes in biorhythms:

[youtube]oV9Sr5H0Tpo[/youtube]



c. 10:58 she starts in

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Speaking of life being hard for SJWs, PeeZus has a post up about his Clone's money troubles, and links to the following:

http://www.freezepage.com/1383852651IEAJQTXAAZ

Is it his highfalutin' eco-principles? Or is chronic laziness and the usual sense of entitlement and victimhood?

Ya know, Chris, there ARE ways to make a decent, steady income without selling out to evil corporations. In fact, you can work to protect the environment, preserve ecosystems and wild areas, help those who are truly victims of environmental injustice, identify the ways in which environmental toxins harm the health of humans and non-humans, conserve endangered species, design and develop sustainable technologies, and to be a part of any number of other activities that are, on the whole, green and eco-friendly.

Here's the dealio, though: you have to work. Whether you choose to collaborate and adapt your cancer research to include an environmental mutagenesis component (my choice), or to build your own environmental toxicology consulting business based on your EPA experience (a friend's choice), or whatever it is, you have to work.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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PZ has a post up about how life is hard for Chris Clarke (he's such a great writer, but he has no money since he hasn't sold out to evil corporations) - and is begging his "horde" to feed him money. The same horde that ran him off and has apparently very low opinions of him. Is this a test to see how stupid PZs readers are?

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Damn - that's some timing.

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free thoughtpolice wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Who saw 9/11 coming? Condi Rice did, in the FBI report warning that al qaeda planned on using passenger a/c as weapons. She lied about the PDB. The neocons had long craved a "Pearl Harbor Moment" to justify their agenda of wars in the Middle East.
After 9/11 the chant was "no one could have foreseen someone using airplanes as weapons". Aside from the kamikaze pilots of WW2 there was an incident where a disgruntled employee tried to crash a (Fed-ex?) jet into their main sorting facility a few years before 9/11. Then there was the warning from the flight school and the FBI agent in Minnesota.
Yep I remember everyone walking around on Sep 11 going "767s, skyscrapers? Well that was fucking predictable".

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Badger3k wrote:
Mykeru wrote:And this is what happens when you let your guard down:

You end up feeding the manatee.

On behalf of Lazy Savant and I, allow me to apologize profusely for giving that mean-spirited poo-bag ephemeral purpose.
So that's the whole thing she's harassing you for (remember storifying is harassment)? A joke about wearing a svzn-suit? Of course, why would anyone want to wear it - wouldn't you be afraid of what you'd catch?

Stefunny... :violin:
Oh, excellent point. I will alert Twitter to her storifying harassment

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BarnOwl wrote:Speaking of life being hard for SJWs, PeeZus has a post up about his Clone's money troubles, and links to the following:

http://www.freezepage.com/1383852651IEAJQTXAAZ

Is it his highfalutin' eco-principles? Or is chronic laziness and the usual sense of entitlement and victimhood?

Ya know, Chris, there ARE ways to make a decent, steady income without selling out to evil corporations. In fact, you can work to protect the environment, preserve ecosystems and wild areas, help those who are truly victims of environmental injustice, identify the ways in which environmental toxins harm the health of humans and non-humans, conserve endangered species, design and develop sustainable technologies, and to be a part of any number of other activities that are, on the whole, green and eco-friendly.

Here's the dealio, though: you have to work. Whether you choose to collaborate and adapt your cancer research to include an environmental mutagenesis component (my choice), or to build your own environmental toxicology consulting business based on your EPA experience (a friend's choice), or whatever it is, you have to work.
But...actual work is toxic for SJWs, and they can lose their SJW card if they are caught enjoying it. Unless it is working on arts and crafts projects. That seems to be ok. "Freelance Writer who doesn't really write anything" is really the pinnacle for an SJW, unless you add "Blogger" to the title. Yep, permanent blogger living off donations is the creme de la creme for SJWs.

Under no circumstances can you take your activism off the web, though. That's a sin too terrible to contemplate.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:fwiw, Pamela Gay believes in biorhythms:

[youtube]oV9Sr5H0Tpo[/youtube]



c. 10:58 she starts in
This is why she is a speaker at all those sceptic cons. She has evidence that her Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ created those biorythms.

I thought it was ridiculous when somebody who thought the universe was created by an invisible superhero was hailed as a great sceptic, but I didn't know she was into pseudoscience as well.

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Sulman wrote:Times do change. The workplace in particular isn't as robust as it was. My old man worked on Fleet Street when journalists would have legendary alcohol-fuelled lunches, and some of the aggressive behaviour was legendary. It's all gone now.

If you shout at anyone or even display the slightest bit of aggression, you can get into real trouble.
Back in the late '90's, a new dept. head from the UK took us out for some beers. As his idea of an ice-breaker, he tells us a joke:

"Did you hear about the two gay Irishmen? Yeah, Michael Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzmichael."

There was an embarrassed silence until I barked, "Good thing there's no gays or Irishmen at the table!" (There were both.)

I brushed it off at the time, but now I'm reliving a little trauma, because it made me realize my career had hit the Mick Ceiling.

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Brive1987 wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Who saw 9/11 coming? Condi Rice did, in the FBI report warning that al qaeda planned on using passenger a/c as weapons. She lied about the PDB. The neocons had long craved a "Pearl Harbor Moment" to justify their agenda of wars in the Middle East.
After 9/11 the chant was "no one could have foreseen someone using airplanes as weapons". Aside from the kamikaze pilots of WW2 there was an incident where a disgruntled employee tried to crash a (Fed-ex?) jet into their main sorting facility a few years before 9/11. Then there was the warning from the flight school and the FBI agent in Minnesota.
Yep I remember everyone walking around on Sep 11 going "767s, skyscrapers? Well that was fucking predictable".
What "everyone" was saying doesn't matter. What does is Rice describing as "historical information" a report saying, 'hey we got Egyptian & Saudi nationals here taking flying lessons, but they don't care about take-off or landing, just how to fly straight.'

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Brive1987 wrote:Amazing how people conflate profiling with skin colour sterotypes. Like there's not a whole array of markers a sophisticated system could use. Special muppetry that.
If you want to point to a post of Harris's where he's discussing profiling in terms of OTHER THAN religion/race, by all means, please do so. Everything i've seen from him, he's only ever going on about 'looking muslim'.

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BarnOwl wrote:Speaking of life being hard for SJWs, PeeZus has a post up about his Clone's money troubles, and links to the following:

http://www.freezepage.com/1383852651IEAJQTXAAZ

Is it his highfalutin' eco-principles? Or is chronic laziness and the usual sense of entitlement and victimhood?

Ya know, Chris, there ARE ways to make a decent, steady income without selling out to evil corporations. In fact, you can work to protect the environment, preserve ecosystems and wild areas, help those who are truly victims of environmental injustice, identify the ways in which environmental toxins harm the health of humans and non-humans, conserve endangered species, design and develop sustainable technologies, and to be a part of any number of other activities that are, on the whole, green and eco-friendly.

Here's the dealio, though: you have to work. Whether you choose to collaborate and adapt your cancer research to include an environmental mutagenesis component (my choice), or to build your own environmental toxicology consulting business based on your EPA experience (a friend's choice), or whatever it is, you have to work.

Or have PZ hook him up with his publisher.

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bhoytony wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:fwiw, Pamela Gay believes in biorhythms:

[youtube]oV9Sr5H0Tpo[/youtube]



c. 10:58 she starts in
This is why she is a speaker at all those sceptic cons. She has evidence that her Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ created those biorythms.

I thought it was ridiculous when somebody who thought the universe was created by an invisible superhero was hailed as a great sceptic, but I didn't know she was into pseudoscience as well.
But she is a SJW. Who needs the "A", so long as you've got the "Plus"?

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I guess Pamela Gay's high school physics teacher was right after all: C+

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welch wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote: ...

Bingo.

I also still don't understand something. And I ask in all sincerity for someone to explain it to me:

What fucking "Power" does shermer have? I mean, everyone talks about it as a reason to not cross him. Like if you piss him off he'll....I don't know, but it's fucking bad I suppose.

So can someone who is a part of the "skeptics" movement explain his power to me? Because it sounds like utter bullshit, and completely based on...nothing.
If he had any actual power Myers and Watson would be working the night shift at McDonalds in Alaska

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:fwiw, Pamela Gay believes in biorhythms:

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c. 10:58 she starts in
In mammals (rats in particular), the maternal circadian rhythm does influence the circadian patterns and expression of clock genes in fetal tissues, in part through the cyclical patterns of melatonin production by her pineal gland (of course there are other signals as well). A quick PubMed search yields a number of recent papers on maternal feeding cycles and their influence on fetal development and chronobiology.

But that wasn't what Pamela Gay seemed to be talking about - she was instead proposing an influence on personality, to correlate with astrological woo or whatever. :roll:

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Mykeru wrote:And this is what happens when you let your guard down:

You end up feeding the manatee.

On behalf of Lazy Savant and I, allow me to apologize profusely for giving that mean-spirited poo-bag ephemeral purpose.
I wish they would cut out the pretense.

All of these fucks are in a state of constantly ego-searching for anything related to them. If they can't find what they want with google, they will come to the Pitt and search here.

It's a shame their fans will never figure this shit out. It's like Barack Obama visiting the Fox News discussion forums every single damn day and then posting what he finds on his twatter. "Look at all of the horribleness I receive, just for being black!" Yeah, and I'm sure the ACA, drone strikes, patriot act, gitmo, etc had nothing to do with it? And of course, if he did find some actual racism, he could extrapolate that to represent every single person who doesn't like him. :lol:

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A little Clownfall love for FTB's resident satirical genius.

[youtube]9QrBbJj2NhQ[/youtube]

I haven't forgotten about you Myers. You're up next.

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welch wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:Amazing how people conflate profiling with skin colour sterotypes. Like there's not a whole array of markers a sophisticated system could use. Special muppetry that.
If you want to point to a post of Harris's where he's discussing profiling in terms of OTHER THAN religion/race, by all means, please do so. Everything i've seen from him, he's only ever going on about 'looking muslim'.
Firstly and importantly the "look like a Moslem" line of Harris is clunky. Given the topic it would be charitable to interpret this to mean 'identify as'. This is clear from the quotes below.'

There is also a premise at play here that there's a correlation between Islamic terrorism and the threat the profiling is meant to stop. Ie the goal is to narrow the field down to Moslem potential terrorists - or their likely directly related associates. If we don't accept that then we've moved into another intriguing debate.

I also assume that we can agree there is a subset of the 'target' profile that visibly identifies as Islamic? Where that line is drawn is open to dispute. And as you see below this is only one of a number of possible markers.
many of my detractors (like Greenwald) have used this quotation in ways calculated to make readers believe that I want dark-skinned people singled out—and not just in our airports, but everywhere. What my critics always neglect to say, however, is that in the article in which that sentence appears, I explicitly include white, middle-aged men like me in the profile (twice). This still leaves many millions of travelers outside the profile. My point is that we should be giving less scrutiny to people who obviously aren’t jihadists.
To assert that ethnicity, gender, age, nationality, dress, traveling companions, behavior in the terminal, and other outward appearances offer no indication of a person’s beliefs or terrorist potential is either quite crazy or totally dishonest.
But, as I pointed out, and Schneier agreed, the Israelis profile in every sense of the term—racially, ethnically, behaviorally, by nationality and religion, etc. In the end, Schneier’s argument came down to a claim about limited resources: He argued that we are too poor (and, perhaps, too stupid) to effectively copy the Israeli approach. That may be true. But pleading poverty and ineptitude is very different from proving that profiling doesn’t work.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
bhoytony wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:fwiw, Pamela Gay believes in biorhythms:

[youtube]oV9Sr5H0Tpo[/youtube]



c. 10:58 she starts in
This is why she is a speaker at all those sceptic cons. She has evidence that her Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ created those biorythms.

I thought it was ridiculous when somebody who thought the universe was created by an invisible superhero was hailed as a great sceptic, but I didn't know she was into pseudoscience as well.
But she is a SJW. Who needs the "A", so long as you've got the "Plus"?
Been a long time since she fit in the "A" category. I'm guessing EE.

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A social-justice riot.
See? Even that is funnier than the original Foshaug's.
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Pitchguest wrote:Hehe, I noticed this comment on the NSC thread on Pharyngula:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-715304

Perfectly illustrates, I think, that NSC is not the paragon of objectivity he likes to think he is.

Also, the way they completely hail down on NSC in that thread to boot is hilarious - it almost makes me feel sorry for the guy. Almost. But hey, all the nutcases just exist on the anti-FtB side, right? Right. :whistle:
What I’m talking about here, as far as fault not only being on one side, has mainly to do with diplomacy and effective communication. Even when one is firmly on the right side of an issue, such as when defending gender equality, fairness, safety and inclusiveness, failing to effectively communicate what you’ve got to say, and instead pissing people off, blocking them, banning them, insulting them, and prolonging the enmity is really destructive to your cause. How did those ideals come to be so controversial? I don’t know why that side of this argument has been so difficult to sell. It ought to have been a no-brainer, and the fracas ought to have been over pretty much immediately after it began. How the side championing those principles came to be so virulently hated is really cause for a collective “WTF?!”. It could have, and should have, been argued a lot better. Atheism and secularism ought not be embarrassed by having this as an “issue” hanging over our heads. – NSC
What a breathtaking piece of privileged stupidity. What a gormless, blubber-brained numpty this man must be. I can only express my profound relief that he didn’t stick around on FTB. Those “ideas” (“gender equality, fairness, safety and inclusiveness”) came to be “so controversial”, and “the side championing those principles came to be so virulently hated” because a lot of atheists are irrational misogynist shitbags. It’s that simple, NSC. It really is. If you can’t see it, try removing your head from your fundament.

Sigh. He talks about having a wife, sister, mother, and (50%) daughter. And then he specifically removes himself from promoting their full equality in society. (It’s just not my thing, man.) What blindness! I am sure that if his wife involved herself in the debate and began receiving death threats and obscene drawings and photoshops of rape and violence, his attitude might change.

But then it might not. He seems to be quite stupid that way.

He is the epitome of the “white moderates” which MLK described as the real problem, the ones who advocates that the oppressed continue to accept economic inequality and legal discrimination, up to and including bodily violence and murder, so as to remain polite and non-confrontational.

I think he is as bad or worse than the MRAs — at least you know what side they are on.
Caine: Kevin, what I think a lot of people are trying to articulate is that what NSC said and did is not only very bad, it’s highly damaging. By attempting to tell people on the right side of this mess they’re just doing it wrong, then throwing up his hands and walking away, he’s firmly in the court of the enablers, those who become aware of the massive problem in the room, but shrug and turn their back. Those folks make up the majority, and while they are not remotely as bad as dedicated MRAs, they most certainly aren’t helping, eh?
Well why don't you just fucking murder him then, Caine? You're such a ninja murderer badass, after all.

That entire thread is full of delicious infighting as the commentariat attempts to fucking crucify NSC for taking a "not my problem" stance of FTB's style of social justice warriorism.

miller:
which part is inappropriate to shame him for?

His “both sides” BS which insultingly paints the pro diversity crowd as being anything similar to the anti-harassment policy, pro bullying squad?
No, that deserves shaming.

Perhaps you are referring to shaming him for tut tutting us when he has not made an effort to see that diplomacy has been tried, but rejected. After all, being a united front is of utmost importance. Nevermind that they have bullied, doxxed and harrassed many people. Never mind the rape threats they threw out. The problem was a communications issue on both sides.
Sorry, but his ignorance lead him to criticise this side. As much shit as Ophelia, Greta, Jen, Stephanie and PZ have dealt with, NSC could have simply asked one of them to fill him in. Or read any number of posts.
He should be ashamed.

I like his videos.
I am happy he is going to be a father.

But a bystander armed with inadequate knowledge of a situation is not in the best position to tell us how it should be done…

NSC has a few things to be ashamed of.
Oh, but FTB isn't divisive at all! That Carrier line about being with us or against us? Totally not what we actually believe! There's room for all kinds of nuance in our SJW movement!

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Gefan wrote:A little Clownfall love for FTB's resident satirical genius.

[youtube]9QrBbJj2NhQ[/youtube]

I haven't forgotten about you Myers. You're up next.
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FtB Reacts:

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Gefan wrote:A little Clownfall love for FTB's resident satirical genius.

[youtube]9QrBbJj2NhQ[/youtube]

I haven't forgotten about you Myers. You're up next.
:clap:

I can already see the reaction.. .

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Brive1987 wrote:
welch wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:Amazing how people conflate profiling with skin colour sterotypes. Like there's not a whole array of markers a sophisticated system could use. Special muppetry that.
If you want to point to a post of Harris's where he's discussing profiling in terms of OTHER THAN religion/race, by all means, please do so. Everything i've seen from him, he's only ever going on about 'looking muslim'.
Firstly and importantly the "look like a Moslem" line of Harris is clunky. Given the topic it would be charitable to interpret this to mean 'identify as'. This is clear from the quotes below.'

There is also a premise at play here that there's a correlation between Islamic terrorism and the threat the profiling is meant to stop. Ie the goal is to narrow the field down to Moslem potential terrorists - or their likely directly related associates. If we don't accept that then we've moved into another intriguing debate.

I also assume that we can agree there is a subset of the 'target' profile that visibly identifies as Islamic? Where that line is drawn is open to dispute. And as you see below this is only one of a number of possible markers.
many of my detractors (like Greenwald) have used this quotation in ways calculated to make readers believe that I want dark-skinned people singled out—and not just in our airports, but everywhere. What my critics always neglect to say, however, is that in the article in which that sentence appears, I explicitly include white, middle-aged men like me in the profile (twice). This still leaves many millions of travelers outside the profile. My point is that we should be giving less scrutiny to people who obviously aren’t jihadists.
What. The. Fuck. Does. A. Jihadist. OBVIOUSLY. Look. Like?

Do they run around screaming "I BLOW SHIT UP FOR ALLAH?" That's the bullshit part. The complete bullshit part.
Brive1987 wrote:
To assert that ethnicity, gender, age, nationality, dress, traveling companions, behavior in the terminal, and other outward appearances offer no indication of a person’s beliefs or terrorist potential is either quite crazy or totally dishonest.
Again, how the fuck do you tell a jihadist by:

Ethnicity, gender, age, dress, or traveling companions?

How do you tell *nationality* by that?

He never EVER deals with that. Because again, keep in mind that you can look like a lot of fucking people and still be born in the USA as much as harris. You can be all shades of brown, yellow, red and white. So what fucking good is ethnicity in determining nationality? what the FUCK does GENDER have to do with it or dress?

Harris is clearly, clearly dancing around the fact that in his world, he has a very, *very* specific idea of what a "danger" is and it's not very young, it's not very old, and it's not fucking female, and thank god he's not in charge of anything because his clear prejudices as to what a "danger" is are almost as outdated as that of a member of the British Admiralty circa 1920 suddenly deposited in modern society.

It is neither crazy nor dishonest to assert that you can't tell fuck all about either someone's jihadist status or nationality by ethnicity, gender, age or dress. In fact, he's the one being either dishonest or stupid in insisting that you can.
Brive1987 wrote:
But, as I pointed out, and Schneier agreed, the Israelis profile in every sense of the term—racially, ethnically, behaviorally, by nationality and religion, etc. In the end, Schneier’s argument came down to a claim about limited resources: He argued that we are too poor (and, perhaps, too stupid) to effectively copy the Israeli approach. That may be true. But pleading poverty and ineptitude is very different from proving that profiling doesn’t work.
The israelis have a very specific set of entry points to cover, and a very specific set of criteria to worry about. Their problem is rather different from ours.

Harris would do better to admit that he simply doesn't consider anyone who isn't a fit male between the ages of 18 or so to their early 50s as being capable of being dangerous, and that he's simply ignoring the rather large body of evidence that terrorists are looking outside that range.

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German LurkBoatsman wrote:
pogsurf wrote:Tricky one, Amsterdam is not a capital city and Beijing is not in Europe.
Amsterdam is the capital, just not the seat of government ;)
Damn the Dutch and their crazy constitution. :(

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Re: Oh No! Now I've Done It. Again

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Post by feralandproud »

James Caruthers wrote:
Mykeru wrote:And this is what happens when you let your guard down:

You end up feeding the manatee.

On behalf of Lazy Savant and I, allow me to apologize profusely for giving that mean-spirited poo-bag ephemeral purpose.
I wish they would cut out the pretense.

All of these fucks are in a state of constantly ego-searching for anything related to them. If they can't find what they want with google, they will come to the Pitt and search here.

It's a shame their fans will never figure this shit out. It's like Barack Obama visiting the Fox News discussion forums every single damn day and then posting what he finds on his twatter. "Look at all of the horribleness I receive, just for being black!" Yeah, and I'm sure the ACA, drone strikes, patriot act, gitmo, etc had nothing to do with it? And of course, if he did find some actual racism, he could extrapolate that to represent every single person who doesn't like him. :lol:
I just recently started following the online atheist/skeptic community(about 4 months ago). After literally like a week of reading blogs and following links I figured this shit out. If the average FtB "fan" doesn't at least check out the 'pit once in a while, I'll eat my goddamn hat. Willful ignorance is no excuse. They're exactly like schoolyard bullies. They can dish it out, but the second it's returned they're all, "Teacher! Teacher!" That applies to the wannabe celebutards and their fans. I'm so happy I found this place.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Gefan, you're fucking brilliant.

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James Caruthers wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:Hehe, I noticed this comment on the NSC thread on Pharyngula:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-715304

Perfectly illustrates, I think, that NSC is not the paragon of objectivity he likes to think he is.

Also, the way they completely hail down on NSC in that thread to boot is hilarious - it almost makes me feel sorry for the guy. Almost. But hey, all the nutcases just exist on the anti-FtB side, right? Right. :whistle:
Thanks for reminding me about that thread. I checked it out and finally they horde has piled up on NSC :lol:. It's too damn funny.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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welch wrote:
BarnOwl wrote:Speaking of life being hard for SJWs, PeeZus has a post up about his Clone's money troubles, and links to the following:

http://www.freezepage.com/1383852651IEAJQTXAAZ

Is it his highfalutin' eco-principles? Or is chronic laziness and the usual sense of entitlement and victimhood?

Ya know, Chris, there ARE ways to make a decent, steady income without selling out to evil corporations. In fact, you can work to protect the environment, preserve ecosystems and wild areas, help those who are truly victims of environmental injustice, identify the ways in which environmental toxins harm the health of humans and non-humans, conserve endangered species, design and develop sustainable technologies, and to be a part of any number of other activities that are, on the whole, green and eco-friendly.

Here's the dealio, though: you have to work. Whether you choose to collaborate and adapt your cancer research to include an environmental mutagenesis component (my choice), or to build your own environmental toxicology consulting business based on your EPA experience (a friend's choice), or whatever it is, you have to work.

Or have PZ hook him up with his publisher.
You think his publisher needs his lawn mowed?

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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In Chris Clarke's "pity-me" post he claims to own one pair of socks.

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Post by Pogsurf »

welch wrote: Like everything, the trigger warning started out as a good idea and was turned to shit.

For example, if you're going to do a discussion of say...Ted Bundy, and you're going to be going into detail on his crimes, and have various kinds of morbid pictures of his victims or what have you, then the idea was, you warn people that you're going to be talking about and showing some pretty heavy stuff, so if that kind of thing really bothers them, they'd be forewarned and could then take the action they felt was appropriate for them.

Reasonable right? Give people a warning about stuff that most could see as potentially causing some bad reactions.

Fast forward, and now, you basically can't talk about anything without a fucking trigger warning, and it has no goddamned meaning anymore.
I can see two fairly obvious drawbacks to trigger warnings. The first is if you were raped, and the word 'rape' triggers you, then "Trigger warning: rape" will be the thing that triggers you. ie the trigger warning itself is triggering, referred to obliquely in Jan's original joke.

The second is that if when you were raped and the rapist was wearing Brut aftershave, it maybe things like 'Brut' or 'aftershave' that triggers you. That is the triggers might be contained within the whole gamut of otherwise mundane things which no other commentator could reasonably conceive of as triggering.

If trigger warnings were a real thing, somebody somewhere would have written a book or a scientific paper telling people what works best or how to construct them in an effective way. The more I look into it, the more I think trigger warnings are pure woo.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Apples wrote:In Chris Clarke's "pity-me" post he claims to own one pair of socks.
That's more than a lot of people in this harsh world. He needs to check his privilege.

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Is anyone else starting to think that maybe the SJWs have a point? We keep seeing shit pop up about Groethe and Shermer, welch has done a good job showing why Sam Harris is being stupid about the profiling thing, and Dawkins' various "mild pedophilia" and "honey" gaffes are kinda starting to pile up, to the point where it almost seems like he's going senile or some shit.

Don't get me wrong, they do plenty of silly shit themselves ("Anyone who makes fun of feminism is MARC LEPINE!!" and the infamous Grenade), but sometimes I really do wonder about "our side", whatever it is. :?

Sorry if this seems like concern-trolling or tone-trolling, but I do wonder.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Sarlug wrote:Is anyone else starting to think that maybe the SJWs have a point? We keep seeing shit pop up about Groethe and Shermer, welch has done a good job showing why Sam Harris is being stupid about the profiling thing, and Dawkins' various "mild pedophilia" and "honey" gaffes are kinda starting to pile up, to the point where it almost seems like he's going senile or some shit.

Don't get me wrong, they do plenty of silly shit themselves ("Anyone who makes fun of feminism is MARC LEPINE!!" and the infamous Grenade), but sometimes I really do wonder about "our side", whatever it is. :?

Sorry if this seems like concern-trolling or tone-trolling, but I do wonder.
Hi oolon.

:hankey:

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spiffigt wrote:
Apples wrote:In Chris Clarke's "pity-me" post he claims to own one pair of socks.
That's more than a lot of people in this harsh world. He needs to check his privilege.
Actually, you're right, given that he also says he spends $40 a month on "mental-health related beer and tacos" plus whatever he has to do to support his methylphenidate addiction.

Also - "I've always been indolent. I've always hated work unless I actually wanted to do it, which has been less frequent than my past employers would have liked."

Um - and this post is supposed to motivate me to help you pay your bills with money that I earned by doing work that I didn't actually want to do?

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Dick Strawkins wrote:
Sarlug wrote:Is anyone else starting to think that maybe the SJWs have a point? We keep seeing shit pop up about Groethe and Shermer, welch has done a good job showing why Sam Harris is being stupid about the profiling thing, and Dawkins' various "mild pedophilia" and "honey" gaffes are kinda starting to pile up, to the point where it almost seems like he's going senile or some shit.

Don't get me wrong, they do plenty of silly shit themselves ("Anyone who makes fun of feminism is MARC LEPINE!!" and the infamous Grenade), but sometimes I really do wonder about "our side", whatever it is. :?

Sorry if this seems like concern-trolling or tone-trolling, but I do wonder.
Hi oolon.

:hankey:
:lol: No, just a long-time guest.

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Post by Pogsurf »

Matt Cavanaugh wrote: Of course there are people out there who get PTSD when the subject of their trauma comes up. But PTSD is treatable, and should lessen over time if treated. These professional victims want to keep it around as an excuse, and to further their thought police action against ever offending anyone evah.
Good point well made. It seems the purpose of a trigger warning is not so that particular victims can avoid certain material, but instead to flag up to all readers they will soon have an opportunity to big up their own versions of victimhood.

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Dick Strawkins wrote:
Sarlug wrote:Is anyone else starting to think that maybe the SJWs have a point? We keep seeing shit pop up about Groethe and Shermer, welch has done a good job showing why Sam Harris is being stupid about the profiling thing, and Dawkins' various "mild pedophilia" and "honey" gaffes are kinda starting to pile up, to the point where it almost seems like he's going senile or some shit.

Don't get me wrong, they do plenty of silly shit themselves ("Anyone who makes fun of feminism is MARC LEPINE!!" and the infamous Grenade), but sometimes I really do wonder about "our side", whatever it is. :?

Sorry if this seems like concern-trolling or tone-trolling, but I do wonder.
Hi oolon.

:hankey:
And in case you were serious, stop thinking about 'sides'.
Think instead about actions that are consistent with scientific skepticism. Anyone can behave in ways that are better or worse in this regard - it just so happens that Peezus and his sycophants have created such a web of lies to try to support their narrative that skepticism is really a distant memory to them.
Of course DJ Grothe and Dawkins can also behave in non skeptical ways (like hiring that PETA looney as communications director of the JREF!) but they, at least, seem to regard skepticism as a good objective to aim for.

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