Bleeding from the Bunghole

[John Greg]

I don't understand that graph. On the left-hand axis, the numbers are higher as you go lower on the graph, which, in my understanding means A+ has increased viewers (or whatever the left-hand side represents), and the Pit has fewer.

Can someone explain that graph to me?

[Lsuoma]

I don't understand that graph. On the left-hand axis, the numbers are higher as you go lower on the graph, which, in my understanding means A+ has increased viewers (or whatever the left-hand side represents), and the Pit has fewer.

Can someone explain that graph to me?

Numbers are a rank - lower == better.

[Guest]

It's because what is being measured is the website ranking, not the number of views.

So the most popular website in the world would be at #1; low numbers are definitely 'good' in this context, and it does show that the overall ranking here is climbing while theirs is falling. Precipitously.

Look closely at the highlighted tab above the graph and you can see what they are measuring.

[Brive1987]

I looked-up Ogvorbis's family vacation story, and was delighted to see that he was describing a trip from Janesville Wisconsin to Yellowstone.

Surely, in the next paragraph, he would regale us with a tale of the sun rising in the West, over Mount Fargo and the towering Minnesota Rockies of Eastern North Dakota.

Alas, no. The mountains are an artifact of Brive's inaccurate paraphrasing. And no sunrise, only dark clouds and hail. And tornadoes, which Ogvorbis continued driving-toward-- with a dubious 'family dogpile' survival plan.

Ogvorbis did, however, give us one small gift:

Coming over the high ground to the east of Bismark, we spotted some funnel clouds on the horizon. We tuned in to the radio and listened to all the warnings. And kept going into town.

We found our hotel and checked in just in time to hear the sirens go off. We put the kids in the bathtub and decided that, if worse came to worse, (((Wife))) and I could just lay over the tub to protect them. The heavy winds passed and we decided it was safe to look outside.

Ahh, yes... the High Ground East Of Bismarck. Please enjoy a panoramic Google Street View tour! :)
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=67+1%2F2 ... gplus-ogsb

And, putting aside this lighthearted bit of silliness, all fun drains away, as I turn my attention to Ogvorbis's many comments about rape.

Re elevation-gate. Please note my mea culpa back at post 19864

The attempted 'joke' lay in Tolkien style roiling clouds of doom hovering over the lair of Caine. Not ND's high ground morphing into the Ered Lithui. Who'd have guessed?

"As we passed through eastern Northern Dakota, the brilliant blue sky gave way to dark clouds. and some really impressive thunder clouds. Coming over the high ground to the east of Bismarck, we spotted some funnel clouds on the horizon".

Very Frodo, no? Ok. No.

And ServiceDog, how dare you leap in without reading and processing all 268 pages? That's rule #321 blatantly abused. Fuckit, Fuck you and Fuck off. I won't be back.

[Brive1987]

Amidst all the trannie-gate drama, who mourns for the Sunday Funnies?

[Ape+lust]

Ophelia's talent for idiotic overstatement is as sharp as ever:

http://i.imgur.com/IvMsfQ1.png

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... frivolity/

So there it is, Richard. A lot of us are going to be turning a skeptical eye on your public interest tweets because you’ve never seen fit to withdraw your ridiculous, uncalled-for, sniggering and frivolous “Dear Muslima.”

"There it is Richard"?
She is expecting him to be reading her blog?

She's certainly hoping he is. Her hardon for Dawkins has gotten ridiculous in recent months. She's doing all the stuff she deemed harassment when it came from Vacula - tweeting at him, writing acerbic blog posts, joining the waves of twitter snarkfests taunting him.

Actually, I presume she doesn't - if she seriously thought Dawkins gave a flying fuck about anything she thinks about at this stage she would try to keep on his right side. This is just a show for her commentariat.
She used to have some kind of clout as a serious writer but that is behind her now. It looks increasingly like all the heavy intellectual lifting in her previous books was done by her writing partners - she's certainly shown no sign that she possesses the kind of talent that was on show in those books. In contrast Stangroom and Baggini have gone on to write more books - and their regular articles in newspapers and magazines demonstrate them to be decent writers and thinkers. In contrast Ophelia's stuff is either very pedestrian, or it's just plain dumb (for example her attack on Michael Shermer from last year.)

Yeah, I think it's apparent even to her. It's why the mild Stangroom is now vicious and raging. It can't be her flightiness, they must be conniving bastards.

[Aneris]

Ophelia's talent for idiotic overstatement is as sharp as ever:

http://i.imgur.com/IvMsfQ1.png

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... frivolity/

So there it is, Richard. A lot of us are going to be turning a skeptical eye on your public interest tweets because you’ve never seen fit to withdraw your ridiculous, uncalled-for, sniggering and frivolous “Dear Muslima.”

"There it is Richard"?
She is expecting him to be reading her blog?

Actually, I presume she doesn't - if she seriously thought Dawkins gave a flying fuck about anything she thinks about at this stage she would try to keep on his right side. This is just a show for her commentariat.
She used to have some kind of clout as a serious writer but that is behind her now. It looks increasingly like all the heavy intellectual lifting in her previous books was done by her writing partners - she's certainly shown no sign that she possesses the kind of talent that was on show in those books. In contrast Stangroom and Baggini have gone on to write more books - and their regular articles in newspapers and magazines demonstrate them to be decent writers and thinkers. In contrast Ophelia's stuff is either very pedestrian, or it's just plain dumb (for example her attack on Michael Shermer from last year.)

Isn't she pulling a “dear muslima” on Dawkins “dear muslima” and that — with Watson's case?

Another way to sum up this whole shenanigans is that those people have a particular view/pet issue and then design and rationalize everything around it. Some things are too trivial. Some others too big. The focus point is their own career and that of their gang. That is just right.

[jet_lagg]

Atheism+ banning all its members probably also a factor. I just visited and only two registered members were there - ischemgeek and hyperdeath - both of whom were probably watching for somebody else to ban

Haha, ischemgeek is the one that banned me. And I'll agree with those who expressed sentiments that banned members end up here or on the againstA+ subreddit (there's actually a user who bothers to lurk on the A+ subreddit and invite users to r/againstatheismplus once it looks like the banhammer is coming down).

I bothered emailing Richard Carrier and Ophelia Benson with my story and documentation of many, many other stories, all nearly identical to mine. I suggested they call out the kind of behavior that's going on. I mentioned to Benson that her one comment expressing criticism of A+ was well received here. She was actually very nice in her reply.

[John Greg]

Thanks to Lsuoma and "Guest" for the clarifications.

[Gumby]

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2836/9965 ... c900_c.jpg

Parsehole, in case I neglected to mention it when this was first posted, let me just say that this is fucking brilliant.

[Gumby]

Ophelia's talent for idiotic overstatement is as sharp as ever:

http://i.imgur.com/IvMsfQ1.png

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... frivolity/

She has to say droolingly moronic shit like that, because she and her FtB pals have to keep up the pretense that they speak for all of atheism.

[Jan Steen]

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2836/9965 ... c900_c.jpg

Parsehole, in case I neglected to mention it when this was first posted, let me just say that this is fucking brilliant.

I'm shaking right now.

One of the funniest things ever posted on the Pit.

[Kareem]

Ophelia's talent for idiotic overstatement is as sharp as ever:

http://i.imgur.com/IvMsfQ1.png

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... frivolity/

So first Anita Sarkeesian is put in the same sentence as Rosa Parks and Harvey milk, now Rebecca Watson speaks for women the way Thurgood Marshall spoke for African Americans.

Thank God they're atheists, or we might literally witness Benson being equated to the second coming.

[Gumby]

Rape is about as wrong as it gets. The only one responsible for a rape is the rapist and AR Wear will not solve the fundamental problem that rape exists in our world. Only by raising awareness and education, as well as bringing rapists to justice, can we all hope to eventually accomplish the goal of eliminating rape as a threat to both women and men. Meanwhile, as long as sexual predators continue to populate our world, AR Wear would like to provide products to women and girls that will offer better protection against some attempted rapes while the work of changing society's rape culture moves forward.

It seems to be a common belief among some people that we could live in a world where rape does not exist. Does that sound remotely plausible? Do they also think that we will ever live in a world without murder or theft or indeed any crime at all?

They seem naive beyond belief - but apparently, if you smash the patriarchy then sex crimes will just disappear.

Unfortunately, a world without rape is not realistic in the least. It's sad, but it won't happen.

And if one uses the FtB/A+/Skepchick definitions of rape, the chance of there being a rape-free world are less than two photons on opposite sides of the universe accidentally colliding.

Funny, isn't it - they say they want a world free of rape (and who doesn't, other than rapists?) but they dream of a world where the legal definition of rape is expanded to cover many ordinary everyday social interactions.

[Ape+lust]

So there it is, Richard. A lot of us are going to be turning a skeptical eye on your public interest tweets because you’ve never seen fit to withdraw your ridiculous, uncalled-for, sniggering and frivolous “Dear Muslima.”

"There it is Richard"?
She is expecting him to be reading her blog?

Actually, I presume she doesn't - if she seriously thought Dawkins gave a flying fuck about anything she thinks about at this stage she would try to keep on his right side. This is just a show for her commentariat.
She used to have some kind of clout as a serious writer but that is behind her now. It looks increasingly like all the heavy intellectual lifting in her previous books was done by her writing partners - she's certainly shown no sign that she possesses the kind of talent that was on show in those books. In contrast Stangroom and Baggini have gone on to write more books - and their regular articles in newspapers and magazines demonstrate them to be decent writers and thinkers. In contrast Ophelia's stuff is either very pedestrian, or it's just plain dumb (for example her attack on Michael Shermer from last year.)

Isn't she pulling a “dear muslima” on Dawkins “dear muslima” and that — with Watson's case?

Another way to sum up this whole shenanigans is that those people have a particular view/pet issue and then design and rationalize everything around it. Some things are too trivial. Some others too big. The focus point is their own career and that of their gang. That is just right.

She's pulling a 180, if nothing else. Initially, she wasn't happy with Dawkins "Dear Muslima," but she wasn't happy with Watson's "Rich White Guy" retort, either. She thought it was blog drama that wasn't worth more than 10 minutes of anyone's time. Today, what Dawkins did was unforgiveable and Watson is All Women.

[JayTeeAitch]

Ophelia's talent for idiotic overstatement is as sharp as ever:

http://i.imgur.com/IvMsfQ1.png

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... frivolity/

I seem to remember someone posting a quote on the pit of OB moaning about something frivolous on a plane (whilst not at the same time making a point about over zealous airport security).

Anyway, I couldn't find that but I found one of her longest posts which is just her complaining about LAX - she had to climb some stairs, it was dirty, she didn't get a window seat etc.

Now, imagine flowering up the language a bit and pretending Richard Dawkins had written it. Yeh, he'd be fucking crucified.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... l-airport/

[Ape+lust]

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2836/9965 ... c900_c.jpg

Parsehole, in case I neglected to mention it when this was first posted, let me just say that this is fucking brilliant.

Indeed! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Kareem]

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2836/9965 ... c900_c.jpg

Parsehole, in case I neglected to mention it when this was first posted, let me just say that this is fucking brilliant.

I'm shaking right now.

One of the funniest things ever posted on the Pit.

The funniest part is that it's actually more interesting than the real thing.

[JayTeeAitch]

Ophelia's talent for idiotic overstatement is as sharp as ever:

http://i.imgur.com/IvMsfQ1.png

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... frivolity/

I seem to remember someone posting a quote on the pit of OB moaning about something frivolous on a plane (whilst not at the same time making a point about over zealous airport security).

Anyway, I couldn't find that but I found one of her longest posts which is just her complaining about LAX - she had to climb some stairs, it was dirty, she didn't get a window seat etc.

Now, imagine flowering up the language a bit and pretending Richard Dawkins had written it. Yeh, he'd be fucking crucified.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... l-airport/

Twilight zone - Richard Dawkins actually comments on that post :)

[Aneris]

The Slymepit graph went up when: A) the “technique” was questioned B) after Zimmerman discussions and it really went up exactly when two things came together:

1) risotto cooking for FTBconscience
2) the quote below

CunScience is this weekend, indeed. I can't wait for physioproffe. He's a cartoon character, how will it play unmasked?

Oh, shit, really!!!!?? Too funny - I might check it out just for him. I wonder if he puts in a lot of "eeees" when he talks?

It just reminded me of this again... (by Tony Parsehole) and laughed out loud again...

http://weknowmemes.com/generator/upload ... 420222.jpg

I had the feeling the Ron Lindsay Affair was the actual turning point. It felt like it at the time already.

[Ape+lust]

Ophelia's talent for idiotic overstatement is as sharp as ever:

http://i.imgur.com/IvMsfQ1.png

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... frivolity/

So first Anita Sarkeesian is put in the same sentence as Rosa Parks and Harvey milk, now Rebecca Watson speaks for women the way Thurgood Marshall spoke for African Americans.

Thank God they're atheists, or we might literally witness Benson being equated to the second coming.

And Adria Richards likened herself to Joan of Arc :D

They have a strong sense of their place in history. Cinematic, with Dolby 5.1 sound, and plenty of hi-def close-ups.

[welch]

Ophelia's talent for idiotic overstatement is as sharp as ever:

http://i.imgur.com/IvMsfQ1.png

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... frivolity/

I seem to remember someone posting a quote on the pit of OB moaning about something frivolous on a plane (whilst not at the same time making a point about over zealous airport security).

Anyway, I couldn't find that but I found one of her longest posts which is just her complaining about LAX - she had to climb some stairs, it was dirty, she didn't get a window seat etc.

Now, imagine flowering up the language a bit and pretending Richard Dawkins had written it. Yeh, he'd be fucking crucified.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... l-airport/

Twilight zone - Richard Dawkins actually comments on that post :)

I've flown in and out of pretty much every airport of size in the US, and honestly, I wonder just what the fuck these people are doing. Can they not read a map? Really. It's not THAT difficult. You just have to pay goddamned attention. Shit, I once half-carried a very wobbly soldier through ATL. They are not that difficult to navigate.

[Ape+lust]

Ophelia's talent for idiotic overstatement is as sharp as ever:

http://i.imgur.com/IvMsfQ1.png

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... frivolity/

I seem to remember someone posting a quote on the pit of OB moaning about something frivolous on a plane (whilst not at the same time making a point about over zealous airport security).

Anyway, I couldn't find that but I found one of her longest posts which is just her complaining about LAX - she had to climb some stairs, it was dirty, she didn't get a window seat etc.

Now, imagine flowering up the language a bit and pretending Richard Dawkins had written it. Yeh, he'd be fucking crucified.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... l-airport/

Twilight zone - Richard Dawkins actually comments on that post :)

Whoa. One of the few times she can be arsed to write more than 100 words and what do we get? Nice catch!

[jet_lagg]

1) risotto cooking for FTBconscience

I don't know what that means... :?:

Also, who is your avatar a picture of?

[Aneris]

There must be some sort of batsignal lamp that goes off. Or an old fashioned Red Telephone.

“Richard… listen… she wrote something.”
“Are you sure about that?”
“Yes, it’s not just copypasta. Please, you MUST encourage her. Just make it up with one tweet less, will you?”
“Alright then. I will do what I must to protect the atheist community.”

[Gumby]

Ophelia whines like a entitled little privileged princess when she takes any form of public transportation. The person behind me on the bus smells, waaah. There's a guy with a cold on my flight, waaaah. There's children on the same plane as me, waaah.

Welcome to the real world, you whiny miserable old shriveled bag of haggis.

[Aneris]

1) risotto cooking for FTBconscience

I don't know what that means... :?:

Also, who is your avatar a picture of?

At some point, I'll write it into my signature. That's Kaya Scodelario, as seen on "Skins", which I found fun at the time, since she looked simulatenously nice and orderly as well as mischievous somewhat in line with the origin of the nickname.

[Jan Steen]

Ophelia's talent for idiotic overstatement is as sharp as ever:

http://i.imgur.com/IvMsfQ1.png

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... frivolity/

So there it is, Richard. A lot of us are going to be turning a skeptical eye on your public interest tweets because you’ve never seen fit to withdraw your ridiculous, uncalled-for, sniggering and frivolous “Dear Muslima.”

"There it is Richard"?
She is expecting him to be reading her blog?

Actually, I presume she doesn't - if she seriously thought Dawkins gave a flying fuck about anything she thinks about at this stage she would try to keep on his right side. This is just a show for her commentariat.
She used to have some kind of clout as a serious writer but that is behind her now. It looks increasingly like all the heavy intellectual lifting in her previous books was done by her writing partners - she's certainly shown no sign that she possesses the kind of talent that was on show in those books. In contrast Stangroom and Baggini have gone on to write more books - and their regular articles in newspapers and magazines demonstrate them to be decent writers and thinkers. In contrast Ophelia's stuff is either very pedestrian, or it's just plain dumb (for example her attack on Michael Shermer from last year.)

Dawkins should have received a Molly for his comment. Richard Dawkins OM.

(For those who don't know about this, Peezus used to have a monthly competition for the best comment or commenter on his blog. The winners were allowed to add the letters OM to their 'nym. As often happens in a tribal environment, what started as a kind of joke was soon taken very seriously indeed. Nerd of Redhead and other members of the Horde still proudly fly their OM flag. It's the greatest distinction of their life, sealing their loyalty to Peezus.)

[Service Dog]

Re elevation-gate. Please note my mea culpa back at post 19864
....
And ServiceDog, how dare you leap in without reading and processing all 268 pages? That's rule #321 blatantly abused. Fuckit, Fuck you and Fuck off. I won't be back.

You've got it exactly backwards. I grokked 19864 in fullness. And I was so certain that everyone here had done the 268 pages of required reading; that I confidently referenced the backstory in-passing, without making redundant reference to your mea culpa.

http://bhoffert.faculty.noctrl.edu/REL1 ... holars.png

Yet, I know you must stick the Sepukku. So please accept my family's finest flouncing-steel.

http://www.partsdirect.ru/i/howto/screw ... age004.jpg

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m97rd ... o1_500.jpg

[Service Dog]

Kaya Scodelario

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l9uhw ... o1_500.jpg

[Ape+lust]

So there it is, Richard. A lot of us are going to be turning a skeptical eye on your public interest tweets because you’ve never seen fit to withdraw your ridiculous, uncalled-for, sniggering and frivolous “Dear Muslima.”

"There it is Richard"?
She is expecting him to be reading her blog?

Actually, I presume she doesn't - if she seriously thought Dawkins gave a flying fuck about anything she thinks about at this stage she would try to keep on his right side. This is just a show for her commentariat.
She used to have some kind of clout as a serious writer but that is behind her now. It looks increasingly like all the heavy intellectual lifting in her previous books was done by her writing partners - she's certainly shown no sign that she possesses the kind of talent that was on show in those books. In contrast Stangroom and Baggini have gone on to write more books - and their regular articles in newspapers and magazines demonstrate them to be decent writers and thinkers. In contrast Ophelia's stuff is either very pedestrian, or it's just plain dumb (for example her attack on Michael Shermer from last year.)

Dawkins should have received a Molly for his comment. Richard Dawkins OM.

(For those who don't know about this, Peezus used to have a monthly competition for the best comment or commenter on his blog. The winners were allowed to add the letters OM to their 'nym. As often happens in a tribal environment, what started as a kind of joke was soon taken very seriously indeed. Nerd of Redhead and other members of the Horde still proudly fly their OM flag. It's the greatest distinction of their life, sealing their loyalty to Peezus.)

And that's ANOTHER instance of those nitwits mis-appropriating Someone Who Mattered. Molly was a funny, take-no-shit observer who only worked herself into high dudgeon over important issues. Most of the time she watched the Texas Lege like it was rutting season at the baboon park. She wore jeans and shitkicker boots, and had no problem hanging with the hard-drinking, hell-raising boys. IOW, were she alive, those fucktards would've piled on the Chill Girl for being fondly amused by the political spectacle instead falling into a teeth-gnashing faint.

[Liesmith]

I've flown in and out of pretty much every airport of size in the US, and honestly, I wonder just what the fuck these people are doing. Can they not read a map? Really. It's not THAT difficult. You just have to pay goddamned attention. Shit, I once half-carried a very wobbly soldier through ATL. They are not that difficult to navigate.

In her defense, LAX is filthy. The feces smeared on the walls of the bathroom clearly hadn't been dusted in weeks.

The only one I had trouble navigating was O'Hare when I had a brief stop there. I couldn't find any screens displaying which gates flights were departing from, and I wound up having to exit the secure area to get that information, then come back through white-glove security. There might have been a functional screen somewhere in the terminal where my flight landed, but all the information desks were unmanned, and none of the airport employees I *could* find gave even the slightest shit about my questions. Luckily, I was able to smuggle a half-gallon of honey in my luggage. The trick is to leave it in the hive. There's no rule that says you can't fly with a hornet hive fully of honey.

[James Caruthers]

Thanks for the "fuck off"! I've been lurking and guest posting for a while. I was kinda "out of the movement" for a couple years and I couldn't believe how vicious the FTB faction became while I was away. They're lunatics and they don't even care about the ideas they claim to hold most dear.

And I LOVE the threads on A+ where the new members are given their ideological purity tests. What kind of discussion forum greets you with a basket o' links to ensure you parrot their thoughts?

Hey, lurking FTB/A+ folks: I found the Slymepit because you were complaining about a forum in which people were abusive and harming the skeptic/secular movement. You are the ones doing the harm. You are a support group for antisocial lunatics and offer safe harbor to some people who have done worse harm than those you accuse.

This is so true. I do think PZ knows by now how toxic his fans are. He is, after all, the one who has to moderate the 'un-moderated' Thunderdome. He can get along with them as long as they keep parroting his ideology and manstroking him, but one day he'll take a SJW position that's not quite extreme enough and they'll go nuts.

The regular posters on FTB seem more than a little bit mental. Any movement that uses the victim narrative heavily is going to attract batshit crazy sociopaths.

[ROBOKiTTY]

An innocent atheist outsider who got a taste of the Internet drama comments on things, unfortunately from the wrong side. Starts about four minutes into the video.

[youtube]eEcjn6VzLdU[/youtube]

(link:

[Tribble]

Ophelia's talent for idiotic overstatement is as sharp as ever:

http://i.imgur.com/IvMsfQ1.png

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... frivolity/

She wasn't talking for all women. All women aren't drunken-bar-flies who misinterpret gentle let-downs with a concomitant invitation to talk about difficulties the 'invitor' had with the 'invitees' presentation. In fact, there was only one drunken-bar-fly who gave a talk the invitor went to and had difficulty understanding.

[free thoughtpolice]

Speaking of airports and unpleasant experiences, think about this. PZ and his mob of bloggers manage to drum Michael Shermer out of the skeptic movement for alleged groping.
PZ walks into the TSA check in area and there, snapping on a pair of rubber gloves is... MICHAEL SHERMER in his new job!! :o

[Tribble]

I don't understand that graph. On the left-hand axis, the numbers are higher as you go lower on the graph, which, in my understanding means A+ has increased viewers (or whatever the left-hand side represents), and the Pit has fewer.

Can someone explain that graph to me?

It's a relative ranking. #1 would be the most popular site on the Internet. The SlymePit has moved up a couple of hundred thousand notches. A+ has moved down a couple of hundred thousand notches.

[AndrewV69]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m97rd ... o1_500.jpg

Yukio Mishima. Read anything of his?

(I had a friend commit seppuku when I was just out of my teens. I suspect he did it on an impulse because there was no note).

[ROBOKiTTY]

Having watched/read NonStampCollector's account, I can sort of sympathize with the FTBullies a little, but only a little. The kind of horrible treatment NSC got from anti-FTBers is a reflection of humanity, and you don't really see it at the 'pit. At the end of the day, the FTBullies are still bullies, though there seem to be as many unreasonable haters against them as there are amongst their sycophants.

[Tribble]

Dawkins should have received a Molly for his comment. Richard Dawkins OM.

(For those who don't know about this, Peezus used to have a monthly competition for the best comment or commenter on his blog. The winners were allowed to add the letters OM to their 'nym. As often happens in a tribal environment, what started as a kind of joke was soon taken very seriously indeed. Nerd of Redhead and other members of the Horde still proudly fly their OM flag. It's the greatest distinction of their life, sealing their loyalty to Peezus.)

And they don't flaunt it just there. I ran into one of those fucks at Ars Technica where he was being an SJW douche-nozzle. So I pointed out that he was a SJW douche-nozzle and that he is honored member of one of the douchiest communities on the Internet and that one should take anyone who puts OM behind their names with a grain of salt.

[free thoughtpolice]

OM never meant Order of Molly, it was always Obnoxious Moron.

[Tribble]

An innocent atheist outsider who got a taste of the Internet drama comments on things, unfortunately from the wrong side. Starts about four minutes into the video.

[youtube]eEcjn6VzLdU[/youtube]

(link:

Thing is, you lay with dogs, you get fleas. And he can pity pot all he wants, but it was the A+/FTB assholes that caused this problem. Not the people who pushed back. They were the ones categorically insisted that anyone who didn't support (or merely questioned) their belief systems were defective, fuckwit, misogynistic assholes leaving no room for anything but absolute capitulation or victimization.

[Brive1987]

Re elevation-gate. Please note my mea culpa back at post 19864
....
And ServiceDog, how dare you leap in without reading and processing all 268 pages? That's rule #321 blatantly abused. Fuckit, Fuck you and Fuck off. I won't be back.

You've got it exactly backwards. I grokked 19864 in fullness. And I was so certain that everyone here had done the 268 pages of required reading; that I confidently referenced the backstory in-passing, without making redundant reference to your mea culpa.

http://bhoffert.faculty.noctrl.edu/REL1 ... holars.png

Yet, I know you must stick the Sepukku. So please accept my family's finest flouncing-steel.

http://www.partsdirect.ru/i/howto/screw ... age004.jpg

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m97rd ... o1_500.jpg

Thank you ServiceDog. I will keep for next time. My flounce bounced as soon as my tongue left cheek. It was a pretty good FtB impression though wasn't it? :?:

[Brive1987]

Thanks for the "fuck off"! I've been lurking and guest posting for a while. I was kinda "out of the movement" for a couple years and I couldn't believe how vicious the FTB faction became while I was away. They're lunatics and they don't even care about the ideas they claim to hold most dear.

And I LOVE the threads on A+ where the new members are given their ideological purity tests. What kind of discussion forum greets you with a basket o' links to ensure you parrot their thoughts?

Hey, lurking FTB/A+ folks: I found the Slymepit because you were complaining about a forum in which people were abusive and harming the skeptic/secular movement. You are the ones doing the harm. You are a support group for antisocial lunatics and offer safe harbor to some people who have done worse harm than those you accuse.

This is so true. I do think PZ knows by now how toxic his fans are. He is, after all, the one who has to moderate the 'un-moderated' Thunderdome. He can get along with them as long as they keep parroting his ideology and manstroking him, but one day he'll take a SJW position that's not quite extreme enough and they'll go nuts.

The regular posters on FTB seem more than a little bit mental. Any movement that uses the victim narrative heavily is going to attract batshit crazy sociopaths.

Truth be known, I think Bunny-gate was his epiphany. "Sometimes a joke is just a joke". Damn pink rabbits, of course that's not gender stereotyping.

[ROBOKiTTY]

An innocent atheist outsider who got a taste of the Internet drama comments on things, unfortunately from the wrong side. Starts about four minutes into the video.

[mewtube]eEcjn6VzLdU[/mewtube]

(link:

Thing is, you lay with dogs, you get fleas. And he can pity pot all he wants, but it was the A+/FTB assholes that caused this problem. Not the people who pushed back. They were the ones categorically insisted that anyone who didn't support (or merely questioned) their belief systems were defective, fuckwit, misogynistic assholes leaving no room for anything but absolute capitulation or victimization.

The main problem is he hasn't looked at the problem closely enough, but given the unexpected backlash he got, I could empathize with him getting defensive and further convinced in his neutrality. Actually, he isn't totally neutral, as his post suggests some signs of already having been brainwashed into equating feminism with gender egalitarianism. Like with religion, this kind of belief is too often taken for granted and can only be dispelled with difficulty.

In the end, I consider it necessary to push for a society where absolutely nothing is held sacred. It actually makes me cringe whenever I hear people proclaim what they'd do in defence of their family/loved ones. An idea is made indefensible when it has to be shrouded in sanctity.

[Southern]

Given many of us neither read his feed nor attempt to tweet at him, him blocking us has all the effect of me building a martian trap in my basement*




*i live in florida. I've no basement. Which makes the trap DOUBLY cunning.

HOW DARE HIM TO BLOCK ME?!!!!! CURSE YOU THUMBLEFUD! CURSE YOU!!!!!!!! I FEEL ENRAGED AND OFFENDED! STOP IT! STOP IT NOW OR ELSE!

There, a negative reaction. I hope he's happy now. I'm always eager to help a poor FTB soul to feel better; their usual crankiness is kinda sad.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Not sure if I'm late to the table with this, but has anyone checked the traffic for the slymepit against the A+ forums? That's ironic, right? That's the goddamn definition of ironic.

http://i44.tinypic.com/28us4e9.jpg

Anyone have a hypothesis about the inverse relationship that started trending in July?

That's about the same time A+ Forum banned the use of the term "thug."

[Southern]

Ophelia's talent for idiotic overstatement is as sharp as ever:

http://i.imgur.com/IvMsfQ1.png

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... frivolity/

So first Anita Sarkeesian is put in the same sentence as Rosa Parks and Harvey milk, now Rebecca Watson speaks for women the way Thurgood Marshall spoke for African Americans.

Thank God they're atheists, or we might literally witness Benson being equated to the second coming.

You know that PZ is itching to compare The Blue Cunt to the Virgin Mary, or maybe The Little Mermaid.

[Cliché Guevara]

The BBC offers up disgusting apologetics for mugging culture!

How you move gives a lot away. Maybe too much, if the wrong person is watching. We think, for instance, that the way people walk can influence the likelihood of an attack by a stranger. But we also think that their walking style can be altered to reduce the chances of being targeted.

The point light walker research a great example of a research journey that goes from a statistical observation, through street-level investigations and the use of complex lab techniques, and then applies the hard won knowledge for good: showing how the vulnerable can take steps to reduce their appearance of vulnerability.

I'm literally sharting with rage as I type through the tears.

[Really?]

Not sure if I'm late to the table with this, but has anyone checked the traffic for the slymepit against the A+ forums? That's ironic, right? That's the goddamn definition of ironic.

http://i44.tinypic.com/28us4e9.jpg

Anyone have a hypothesis about the inverse relationship that started trending in July?

That's about the same time A+ Forum banned the use of the term "thug."

It is hilarious that the A+ forum is going away so quickly. But that's what happens when you ban all of your members...no one is left to post.

I think this is the endgame for FTB/A+; they want a world in which the last three people left in the movement can sit cross-legged in a circle singing gender-neutral songs about the way that they created a post-sexual future by preventing the commission of any sexual acts.

[free thoughtpolice]

A new post by PZ has a mock? poster saying "I tried pot once and now I'm gay!".
An interesting comment by Oggie.

4
Ogvorbis: Apologies Available for All!

5 November 2013 at 7:22 pm (UTC -6)

But I’ve smoked pot.

Damn. This’ll be a tough conversation with Wife.

I wonder if he has talked to Wife about his child molestation? If so telling her you have smoked pot and are therefore gay probably won't be that hard.

[DeepInsideYourMind]

The BBC offers up disgusting apologetics for mugging culture!

How you move gives a lot away. Maybe too much, if the wrong person is watching. We think, for instance, that the way people walk can influence the likelihood of an attack by a stranger. But we also think that their walking style can be altered to reduce the chances of being targeted.

The point light walker research a great example of a research journey that goes from a statistical observation, through street-level investigations and the use of complex lab techniques, and then applies the hard won knowledge for good: showing how the vulnerable can take steps to reduce their appearance of vulnerability.

I'm literally sharting with rage as I type through the tears.

Good to see research to back up what we all basically know ... you can tell a lot about someone from their body language ... not the body language "signals" that pseudo science books talk about ("crossed arms are defensive" blah waffle blah), but the body language of how you carry yourself, how you respond to stimuli around you ...


So, the A+ people who "keep getting raped" ... maybe telling men not to rape isn't going so well for you, luckily science has a possible answer ... change your perception, change how you walk, move, interact .... or STOP BEING A VICTIM


Fucking science!!!!! Screwing up pseudoscientific bollocks one A+er at a time

[free thoughtpolice]

New lulz at Chez Ophie!http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... /#comments

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

http://i.imgur.com/0YGFPAB.png

Fuck me, but Caine has some serious problems. I am starting to feel sorry for laughing at her, now that I read she is lacking the three fucking hundred fucking dollars she needs to buy fucking pencils.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-713859

[acathode]

Thing is, you lay with dogs, you get fleas. And he can pity pot all he wants, but it was the A+/FTB assholes that caused this problem. Not the people who pushed back. They were the ones categorically insisted that anyone who didn't support (or merely questioned) their belief systems were defective, fuckwit, misogynistic assholes leaving no room for anything but absolute capitulation or victimization.

I don't for a second doubt that there he got a shitstorm of irrational, hysterical crazy anti-FTB people commenting, that are an embarrassment and who are just as bad as SJWs.

The problem with youtube though, is that it's almost impossible to leave a well written comment, 500 chars forces anyone who want to respond into short, crappy messages where there are little room for nuances, details, or even linking to facts and evidence. As a result, people trying to discuss on youtube are a lot more likely to come across as exactly hysterical and irrational when they are expressing displeasure. It's a system that's fine and dandy for "Yay, cool video!" comments, less good for "You're wrong here and here and here, because <argument>, and here is my evidence", if you want to keep within the char limit "This is stupid! You're a retard" is pretty much the only thing you'll be able to sqeeze in there, at least if you don't want to spend 20+ mins trying to figure out how to say X, Y and Z with just 500 chars in a shitty youtube comment...

As a result, most people who still do comment on youtube tend to be those who are OK with writing shitty comments with little substance, and the few other who aren't are still, simply due to the format, mostly going to appear hostile, emotional and irrational when they try to express criticism.

Now, as to why the hell anyone cares wtf happen on twitter, I have no clue...

[James Caruthers]

Having watched/read NonStampCollector's account, I can sort of sympathize with the FTBullies a little, but only a little. The kind of horrible treatment NSC got from anti-FTBers is a reflection of humanity, and you don't really see it at the 'pit. At the end of the day, the FTBullies are still bullies, though there seem to be as many unreasonable haters against them as there are amongst their sycophants.

I didn't watch this newest video, but I'm following him on twitter and my general impression of NSC is he, like Aron, doesn't take the time to properly understand why people are pissed off, and doesn't realize that his mere association with FTB is going to cause some people to paint with a broad brush. Time will tell if he goes full SJW like Aron did.

When I talk about "FTB" on the pitt, I am not including NSC as one of them, even if he may identify as a FTBlogger and has a blog on there. He's not contributing to the propagation of SJW stupidity.

Really, it seems to me that NSC got all butthurt about the hate he received early on in the schism when emotions were running hot, and jumped into the "PZ is not that bad" camp as a reaction to the over-the-top hatred coming from, well, I assume they're thunderfoot fans or other youtubers.

Sorry NSC, PZ and his friends really are that bad. You've been carrying around this butthurt for several years, ever since the first anti-FTB videos were made and you caught some blowback from the stupid shit PZ and his buddies were doing. Either disassociate yourself from the SJWs, or accept rude emails as the price you pay for greater internet exposure (which is, he claims, why he joined FTB).

What is it the FTBloggers say? The standard you walk past? :lol:

[Brive1987]

.
Why Rebecca Watson is a low intellect blight.

Note profiling <> body searching. It is simply a way to limit a potential target population given limited resources. FWIW Harris personally doubts airport security is worth much at all. His point is that if you do go down this road, and you are targeting a specific threat, then logic dictates you direct effort in the most plausible (dare I say "rational") direction.

If you can think of a better way to profile Moslems without using imperfect cultural / racial markers - then Harris would be all for it.

http://i.imgur.com/HeezoZs.jpg

Watson's shockingly irrational link is not to the primary source but to a Harris critic secondary source. Remind me again why she is a "writer"?


Harris original article:
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/in-d ... -profiling

Harris rebuttal of the Watson type trope:
http://www.samharris.org/site/full_text ... #profiling

Watson's bit o' crap:
http://skepchick.org/2013/11/the-top-te ... honeygate/

[Matt Cavanaugh]

It is hilarious that the A+ forum is going away so quickly. But that's what happens when you ban all of your members...no one is left to post.

I think this is the endgame for FTB/A+; they want a world in which the last three people left in the movement can sit cross-legged in a circle singing gender-neutral songs about the way that they created a post-sexual future by preventing the commission of any sexual acts.

By its nature, a BBS is for conversation. There was an instance, noted here, of the A+ mod banning a new user after their 3rd comment. They can't stifle speech like that and not end up as the Judaean Popular Front.

Blogs are more like the preacher ranting on Sunday with the congregation responding, "Amen, amen!" Also, people who feel very strongly, angrily strong, about an issue love to hear their viewpoint repeated over and over. So I think Thought Free Blogs can survive for some time on that demographic, though it surely can't expand its audience to normal, sane, adjusted people. Plus, the writing at FtB is such utter shit that no one but a zealot would stick around for long.

[Brive1987]

.
Why Rebecca Watson is a low intellect blight.

Note also how she connects
"Dawkins" --> "far right" --> "Muslim hatred" --> "persons of colour" --> "profile" --> "harassment" --> "shockingly irrational"
-->"Sam Harris

That's a conceptual gish gallop that Von Daniken would be proud of.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

It is hilarious that the A+ forum is going away so quickly. But that's what happens when you ban all of your members...no one is left to post.

I think this is the endgame for FTB/A+; they want a world in which the last three people left in the movement can sit cross-legged in a circle singing gender-neutral songs about the way that they created a post-sexual future by preventing the commission of any sexual acts.

By its nature, a BBS is for conversation. There was an instance, noted here, of the A+ mod banning a new user after their 3rd comment. They can't stifle speech like that and not end up as the Judaean Popular Front.

Blogs are more like the preacher ranting on Sunday with the congregation responding, "Amen, amen!" Also, people who feel very strongly, angrily strong, about an issue love to hear their viewpoint repeated over and over. So I think Thought Free Blogs can survive for some time on that demographic, though it surely can't expand its audience to normal, sane, adjusted people. Plus, the writing at FtB is such utter shit that no one but a zealot would stick around for long.

I've stopped going to A+Theism. It was once great: no one was making any money off it, so you could visit as many times as you'd like, and the entertainment was amazing. At this point I am legally obliged to post this video:

[youtube]9C_11laqbvM[/youtube]