That always happens. Years ago when I participated in anti-war marches somehow I'd always end up next to the "free Mumia" people. There were all sorts of "progressives" with their own agendas stealing focus from the march. I hated them.Tribble wrote:That's exactly what happened. The fucking SJWs co-opted the movement and turned it into an unfocused mess. People just drifted away as the message became hopelessly muddled.Sarlug wrote: Wasn't that what happened with the Occupy movement? People were protesting against corruption on Wall Street, and SJW morons came in and shat it up with Progressive Stacks and whining about Smashing Patriarchy and other nonsense?
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And they still managed to score China as two steps more "rapey" than France, along with Japan. Doesn't Japan have very low rates of violent crime in general?Service Dog wrote: I don't think reliable "rape per capita" data exists across 174 nations, and so WomanStats is justified in trying to construct a back-of-the-envelope Best Guess, from available data.
But the map AronRa presented wasn't even the map WomanStats offers as their 'best guess' about rape frequency. It was a map which incorporated all sorts of voodoo.... such as China's strict ban on pornography being cited by WomanStats as evidence that China is strongly anti-rape, compared to France which WomanStats faults for allowing porn to be sold at newsstands.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statisticswindy wrote:And they still managed to score China as two steps more "rapey" than France, along with Japan. Doesn't Japan have very low rates of violent crime in general?Service Dog wrote: I don't think reliable "rape per capita" data exists across 174 nations, and so WomanStats is justified in trying to construct a back-of-the-envelope Best Guess, from available data.
But the map AronRa presented wasn't even the map WomanStats offers as their 'best guess' about rape frequency. It was a map which incorporated all sorts of voodoo.... such as China's strict ban on pornography being cited by WomanStats as evidence that China is strongly anti-rape, compared to France which WomanStats faults for allowing porn to be sold at newsstands.
The US rape rate for 2010 is 27.3 per 100,000 people. For Japan, the figure is 1.
That map seems to be more a measure of feminist approval of various countries than any sort of measure of the prevalence of rape.
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Tribble wrote:Remember the earlier chart I quoted from Service Dog. Here's real-life demonstrating that the 'made up' chart may not be so 'made up.' And that it certainly doesn't fit the SJW desired outcome. This is how people act, even if the SJWs don't like it:
And the eight-year brain-maturity gap and dating preferences:
It's almost as if thousands upon thousands of years of evolution/observation/environmental influences/whatever-the-reason have primed women in some way... And it seems that priming means women don't need any 'help' from our SJW friends. Nor do they seem to care about those silly SJW theories.Women at most ages state a preference to date men who are about eight years older or younger:
http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/fi ... 0/02/2.png
They want what they want, and it's date older guys.
The author of the charts: Lisa Wade is a professor of sociology at Occidental College. http://www.oxy.edu/faculty/lisa-wade Whose bio includes this tidbit: Prof. Wade is also a regular contributor to Ms., Jezebel, and GlobalPolicyTV. So she's almost certainly not some SlymePit Sister-Punisher.
Hmm, those charts are from OkCupid blog, including the following ones:
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Hmm, interesting. Are you saying PZ misinterpreted people? *gasp*Service Dog wrote: My understanding is that one guy created the SMV chart-- Rollo Tomassi.
PZ found out about the chart from a second guy-- Vox Day-- and Vox Day then refuted PZ's original post.
And then a third guy-- Heartiste-- tweeted a "What's your Social Market Value quiz" to PZ, which was the subject of PZ's follow-up post.
I don't think the SMV quiz is the methodology behind the SMV chart.
I think the Rollo Tomassi chart is like a lecturer drawing a couple of overlapping bell-curves freehand-- on a chalkboard or the back of a napkin-- to loosely illustrate a point. 'Not to scale'.
Tomassi said, "I’ve restated this repeatedly, but this graph was never the result of some scientific analysis..."
In the course of defending his chart against other critics- (not PZ), Tomassi did start to connect it to quasi-rigorous analysis, such as the OkCupid dating site's analysis of their users' data: http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-c ... der-woman/ But PZ ignored the most-compelling, most-scientific basis for the SMV chart, in favor of fabricating a least-compelling strawman to mock.
PZ also ignored Vox Day's reasonable-sounding refutation of PZ's original post. Vox Day treated the SMV chart like a stock chart, comparing the ups and downs of a hypothetical Male and Female company's "stock" value over a lifetime, in a purely-figurative stock-market.
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2013/10/pz-w ... loses.html
Instead, PZ seized on Heartiste's quiz, MISREPRESENTING IT as 'survey data' methodology behind the chart.
And also it seems I was ninjaed for that okcupid link.
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Yes, very low rates compared to the rest of the western world.windy wrote: Doesn't Japan have very low rates of violent crime in general?
But things are different when you look at the crime of rape.
Yes, normal 'people rape' is uncommon in Japan.
But that's not the only kind of rape.
Just ask PZ...
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I'm enjoying reading PUA commenters with names like "Scoobius Dubious", who accept PZ's SMV testimonial at face-value, concluding that PZ is equally attracted to Scarlett Johansson, "an infant, or an 85 year-old woman." And...
And, let's not forget Skepticon 5, "Evolution: I do the kinky stuff", timecode 6:33, PZ Myers...
“There’s Wolverine. He’s got the superpowers. He’s got the hot rockin’ sexy bod. He looks like whatshisname— the actor who plays him— Hugh Jackman. He’s marvelous. What you’d expect is he’s going to have a thousand children, hardly even trying. And what you’d expect is if this is such a superpowerful mutation is that, is that at some point every human being on the planet is going to be descended from Wolverine— also known as Hugh Jackman— and is going to be just as good looking and have the same superpowers. That’s our dream right? Some of us are already there. But the rest of you, you can work on it.â€
SMV (PZ Myers version) is defined as what the individual determines is attractive. Therefore, because Danish-Ashkenazi Scarlett Johansson is unattractive to PZ, and Danish-Snarfing PZ is highly sexually appealing to his wife...PZ Myers has higher SMV than Scarlett Johansson. QED
There! He wins! Easy!
you don't have to sleep with a gal to figure out if you'd want to.
I would absolutely never buy a Honda Ridgeline. So even though it is a fairly popular truck, to me it is worthless. Therefore, the idea of putting a monetary value on automobiles is meaningless.
Astute coments one and all. I'll keep it simple though. PZ is STUPID
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PZ: "My sexual appeal to my wife is huge"
Thank god for double-A batteries. And alcohol. Lots of alcohol.
I was watching Big Bang Theory and found out that rabbits scrotums are located in front of their penis. I checked it out on the interwebs and it seems to be true.
I am not sure how this all relates here, but it must have some relevant meaning.
I think this falls under the category of Things Liberals Know But Can Never Admit To.
No units -- kind of like evolutionary fitness.
And, let's not forget Skepticon 5, "Evolution: I do the kinky stuff", timecode 6:33, PZ Myers...
“There’s Wolverine. He’s got the superpowers. He’s got the hot rockin’ sexy bod. He looks like whatshisname— the actor who plays him— Hugh Jackman. He’s marvelous. What you’d expect is he’s going to have a thousand children, hardly even trying. And what you’d expect is if this is such a superpowerful mutation is that, is that at some point every human being on the planet is going to be descended from Wolverine— also known as Hugh Jackman— and is going to be just as good looking and have the same superpowers. That’s our dream right? Some of us are already there. But the rest of you, you can work on it.â€
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For amusement:
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Moses said the band had to sign a performance contract with the Hype Committee that stated it would not discriminate on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin, sex, age, physical ability, or sexual orientation.
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Seems they were discriminated against.
Shokazoba's cancellation from the Hampshire Halloween event Friday night at Hampshire College, after one band member said they were criticized of being "too white" to play Afrobeat music, is reverberating on social media.Cancellation of Afrobeat band Shokazoba at Hampshire College's Hampshire Halloween creates controversy
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Moses said the band had to sign a performance contract with the Hype Committee that stated it would not discriminate on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin, sex, age, physical ability, or sexual orientation.
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Seems they were discriminated against.
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Maybe PZ just had the wrong species?Tribble wrote: And I should think a 'scientist' who is a 'biologist' might, before he fucking pontificates on some chart that goes against his Holy Church of Feminist Doctrine, familiarize himself with research that's now (a) well-established and (b) (some of it) now decades old.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17113387
I tried to find some data on baboons, but the results seem inconclusive.Curr Biol. 2006 Nov 21;16(22):2234-8.
Male chimpanzees prefer mating with old females.
Muller MN, Thompson ME, Wrangham RW.
Cross-cultural studies indicate that women's sexual attractiveness generally peaks before motherhood and declines with age. Cues of female youth are thought to be attractive because humans maintain long-term pair bonds, making reproductive value (i.e. future reproductive potential) particularly important to males. Menopause is believed to exaggerate this preference for youth by limiting women's future fertility. This theory predicts that in species lacking long-term pair bonds and menopause, males should not exhibit a preference for young mates. We tested this prediction by studying male preferences in our closest living relative, the chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes). We show that despite their promiscuous mating system, chimpanzee males, like humans, prefer some females over others. However, in contrast to humans, chimpanzee males prefer older, not younger, females. These data robustly discriminate patterns of male mate choice between humans and chimpanzees. Given that the human lineage evolved from a chimpanzee-like ancestor, they indicate that male preference for youth is a derived human feature, likely adapted from a tendency to form unusually long term mating bonds.
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Not if taking pictures of ladies' underpants with your mobile counts as 'rape'.windy wrote:And they still managed to score China as two steps more "rapey" than France, along with Japan. Doesn't Japan have very low rates of violent crime in general?
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Jan Steen: MVP[itter].
Something I've noticed with great amusement about Carrier is that for all his pompous loquaciousness, he's not a particularly good writer. In his refusal to strive for brevity and edit accordingly, he ends up with impenetrable, awkward prose that nobody wants to read, undercutting any decent points he might make. Massimo Pigliucci nailed it.
And it's not just his style that's problematic. Here is an excerpt from the Pigliucci link:
Better:
Something I've noticed with great amusement about Carrier is that for all his pompous loquaciousness, he's not a particularly good writer. In his refusal to strive for brevity and edit accordingly, he ends up with impenetrable, awkward prose that nobody wants to read, undercutting any decent points he might make. Massimo Pigliucci nailed it.
And it's not just his style that's problematic. Here is an excerpt from the Pigliucci link:
The possessive pronoun its at the beginning promises to correlate with the sentence's subject that will follow ("the most overriding value"), but it turns out to stand for any conscious agent instead. Also, he mixes future tense ("will have") with present tense ("is").Dicky C wrote:Premise 2. By its own intrinsic nature, the most overriding value any conscious agent will have is for maximizing its own well-being and reducing its own suffering.
Better:
Okay, I'm being a picky douche, but dammit, if he's going to parade his degree and claim to be "intellectual artillery," then a picky douche I will be.Guestus Aurelius wrote:Premise 2. People care most about maximizing their own well-being and reducing their own suffering.
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Didn't you know? Letting people (men, because women neeeever look at porn) look at skin mags and jerk off causes rape.Service Dog wrote:
I don't think reliable "rape per capita" data exists across 174 nations, and so WomanStats is justified in trying to construct a back-of-the-envelope Best Guess, from available data.
But the map AronRa presented wasn't even the map WomanStats offers as their 'best guess' about rape frequency. It was a map which incorporated all sorts of voodoo.... such as China's strict ban on pornography being cited by WomanStats as evidence that China is strongly anti-rape, compared to France which WomanStats faults for allowing porn to be sold at newsstands.
These are the "sex-positive" people. :lol:
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A bit late to the Nerd bashing party but:
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If this hasn't already been posted. Trouble in paradise between Ophelia and A+
Comments section gets nasty, concludes with
Comments section gets nasty, concludes with
http://t.co/oJ4slj7ltiJesus h fucking Christ. No wonder people hate Atheism plus if that’s a representative sample.
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I propose aSkeptic_Duh wrote:Cancellation of Afrobeat band Shokazoba at Hampshire College's Hampshire Halloween creates controversy
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FURTHERMORE, on behalf of the Slymepit, I accuse the Hampshire College 'Hype Committee' of culturally-appropriating the Pit's graphic design sensibility for their 'Gin & Tonics Hampshire Halloween' event flyer.
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Like Jan Steen, I am just flabbergasted at the post Yemisi (poetess of our age) has up on FtB. She admits that even her very close ('white') friends have experienced racism from quote unquote 'black people', and she's received accounts where quote unquote 'black people' are being racist against other black people -- in fact, and yet she writes that 'reverse racism' (e.g. 'blacks' being racist against 'whites') and 'black on black' racism are nothing but myths?
How does that work?
Oh, right. Because Yemisi and a 'fellow Nigerian' argues that racism is institutional and that 'black people' does not have that kind of power.
Does the actual definition of 'racism' state that racism has to, necessarily, be institutional in order for it to count as racism? Nope.
Is it an actual requirement that you have to have a certain 'power' in order for the statement 'I don't want a black person to handle my case' to count as racist or racially discriminatory, even if the statement was said by another black person? Nope.
However, she got one thing right: there is no such thing as 'reverse racism.' It's just called racism.
How does that work?
Oh, right. Because Yemisi and a 'fellow Nigerian' argues that racism is institutional and that 'black people' does not have that kind of power.
Does the actual definition of 'racism' state that racism has to, necessarily, be institutional in order for it to count as racism? Nope.
Is it an actual requirement that you have to have a certain 'power' in order for the statement 'I don't want a black person to handle my case' to count as racist or racially discriminatory, even if the statement was said by another black person? Nope.
Then again, it's from a dictionary.Merriam Webster Dictionary wrote:rac·ism noun \ˈrÄ-ËŒsi-zÉ™m also -ËŒshi-\
: poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race
: the belief that some races of people are better than others
However, she got one thing right: there is no such thing as 'reverse racism.' It's just called racism.
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Skeptic_Duh wrote:For amusement:
Shokazoba's cancellation from the Hampshire Halloween event Friday night at Hampshire College, after one band member said they were criticized of being "too white" to play Afrobeat music, is reverberating on social media.Cancellation of Afrobeat band Shokazoba at Hampshire College's Hampshire Halloween creates controversy
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Moses said the band had to sign a performance contract with the Hype Committee that stated it would not discriminate on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin, sex, age, physical ability, or sexual orientation.
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Seems they were discriminated against.
I bet "some students" where white, middle class and British....some students "questioned the selection of one band, asking whether it was a predominantly white Afrobeat band, and expressing their concerns about cultural appropriation and the need to respect marginalized cultures."
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... Yeah, don't bother trying to rewrite FTBlogs. You could spend all day with the hip waders and cutting shears and still never get Carrier's writing into a readable form. I've given up. I have to accept that every time someone links to a FTB article, I'm going to have trouble understanding what the hell the writer is trying to say. They're all terrible. I mean, it's kind of brilliant in a way that so many completely shit writers have been gathered in one place. PZ's probably the best, and Carrier is definitely the worst. You could write a program to delete every other sentence from his articles and I suspect it would greatly improve his flow and readability.Guestus Aurelius wrote:Jan Steen: MVP[itter].
Something I've noticed with great amusement about Carrier is that for all his pompous loquaciousness, he's not a particularly good writer. In his refusal to strive for brevity and edit accordingly, he ends up with impenetrable, awkward prose that nobody wants to read, undercutting any decent points he might make. Massimo Pigliucci nailed it.
And it's not just his style that's problematic. Here is an excerpt from the Pigliucci link:
The possessive pronoun its at the beginning promises to correlate with the sentence's subject that will follow ("the most overriding value"), but it turns out to stand for any conscious agent instead. Also, he mixes future tense ("will have") with present tense ("is").Dicky C wrote:Premise 2. By its own intrinsic nature, the most overriding value any conscious agent will have is for maximizing its own well-being and reducing its own suffering.
Better:
Okay, I'm being a picky douche, but dammit, if he's going to parade his degree and claim to be "intellectual artillery," then a picky douche I will be.Guestus Aurelius wrote:Premise 2. People care most about maximizing their own well-being and reducing their own suffering.
"Pseudo-intellectual" gets tossed around a lot, but I think it's an especially apt description of Carrier and many of the other FTB writers. Maybe the Pitt should gift Carrier a copy of Writing for Dummies. Even though the fans of FTB obviously have no problems with shitty writing (being themselves a bunch of shitty hack writers), I think they would be shocked at how much the quality of the blog would be improved by hiring a managing editor to approve each article before publication. Such a move would also reduce the legal liability of the FTB staff, since an editor could go to PZ and say things like, "do you really want to make these criminal accusations without providing specific details?"
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"cultural appropriation"
Ah, I bet Half-Fish knows all about this, wanker that he is.
Ah, I bet Half-Fish knows all about this, wanker that he is.
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Since when did cultural appropriation become a bad thing and why is it a bad thing? Isn't Britain just one big appropriated culture? Isn't the U.S.A?Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:"cultural appropriation"
Ah, I bet Half-Fish knows all about this, wanker that he is.
Have these white middle class arseholes got nothing better to do than moan about non-blacks in England eating jerk chicken and playing steel drums?
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I saw that when it first came out but there is a limit as to how often I bring up stuff like this here. I do not want to keep bringing up the same shit over and over and over and over.Apples wrote:Amazing story from Mother Jones reporter Stephanie Mencimer about Jamie Leigh Jones. She takes responsibility for doing some credulous reporting on the case before really digging into it herself. Justicar appears in the comments.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazi ... p?page=all
Picked it up from today's "On the Media" on NPR:
http://www.onthemedia.org/story/re-eval ... narrative/
Anyway, it has parallels with the Pitt Meadows "rape" and the Retha Parsons "gang rape" bullshit in that it fits a narrative. In this case the narrative was:
I do not believe that all the stories in the media are all complete bullshit. For example the Stubenville story and the other one (forget the name) where one of the apparent victims had her home burnt down do appear to be more closely based on what really happened than what I am accustomed to seeing but that is not saying much.As told in the media, Jones’s story neatly fit the feminist rape scenario. Brushed off by law enforcement, she sought justice with a civil case, only to be victimized again by defense lawyers using her sexual history to try to discredit her. Her story was both haunting and familiar.
In the end, my experience is you can not really trust the media to get any of the facts correct. One metric I apply is to look for what is not being said. Believe unconditionally what is fed to you at your own peril.
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I've known plenty of people appropriating culture. Mostly white guys and gals, sporting dreadlocks, and moaning about cultural appropriation.
Fucking SJWs, in short.
Fucking SJWs, in short.
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Damn uppity pitters! :evil:
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Isn't it amazing how they always "get word" of what's happening here and never actually see it for themselves?
Somewhere, there is a solitary, extremely over-worked baboon monitoring our every move and then notifying each and every one of the rest of the commentariat.
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This is just stupid. There are tons of all-white jazz bands. Tons of white rappers too. Both are/were "black music". Would they cancel those too? :think:Tony Parsehole wrote:I bet "some students" where white, middle class and British....some students "questioned the selection of one band, asking whether it was a predominantly white Afrobeat band, and expressing their concerns about cultural appropriation and the need to respect marginalized cultures."
Get of your middle class PC high horses and act like grownups (but you never will).
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Anybody that believes "people of color" cannot be racist need only visit certain neighborhoods and they will be disabused of that notion very quickly. If they survive. Dumbfucks. There's also a huge Korean community where I live, and a large black community. Their prevailing views of one another are often "colorful." How would one describe that? Racism seems to fit the bill just fine..
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They totally need to check their privilege and go sit in the back of the bus with the rest of the evil patriarchal white cisgendered males! Not like us white cisgendered males over at FTB, oh no. We're the good ones. People I don't like are making photoshops? That just makes me so upset!Dick Strawkins wrote:Damn uppity pitters! :evil:
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I've always imagined them working in a darkened basement, huddled over a computer and a empty box of Kleenex on their desk. A huge mound of tear and snot-stained tissues mounded next to them. Busily documenting the atrocities of the 'pit, and counting down the hours until their merciful de-briefing and mandatory roofie.Gefan wrote:Isn't it amazing how they always "get word" of what's happening here and never actually see it for themselves?
Somewhere, there is a solitary, extremely over-worked baboon monitoring our every move and then notifying each and every one of the rest of the commentariat.
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Remind me again.
The Tea Party are the nuts on the right and the RadFems are the nuts on the left, correct?
It's easy to get confused.
Remind me again.
The Tea Party are the nuts on the right and the RadFems are the nuts on the left, correct?
It's easy to get confused.
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James Caruthers wrote:They totally need to check their privilege and go sit in the back of the bus with the rest of the evil patriarchal white cisgendered males! Not like us white cisgendered males over at FTB, oh no. We're the good ones. People I don't like are making photoshops? That just makes me so upset!Dick Strawkins wrote:Damn uppity pitters! :evil:
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Yeah the cultural appropriation thing makes no sense, but SJW's cling to it. Once at Shakesville a commenter asked if it was ok for her- as a white woman- to take an Indian dance class. The responses were mostly of the "just be careful/respectful" type. They couldn't really articulate it because they don't know the rules yet.Tony Parsehole wrote:Since when did cultural appropriation become a bad thing and why is it a bad thing? Isn't Britain just one big appropriated culture? Isn't the U.S.A?Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:"cultural appropriation"
Ah, I bet Half-Fish knows all about this, wanker that he is.
Have these white middle class arseholes got nothing better to do than moan about non-blacks in England eating jerk chicken and playing steel drums?
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OH LOAHD, I GOTS THE VAYPAHS!!!
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I too have imagined them working in a darkened basement, huddled over a computer and a empty box of Kleenex on their desk. But it's not snot and tears which stain the tissues...CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:I've always imagined them working in a darkened basement, huddled over a computer and a empty box of Kleenex on their desk. A huge mound of tear and snot-stained tissues mounded next to them. Busily documenting the atrocities of the 'pit, and counting down the hours until their merciful de-briefing and mandatory roofie.Gefan wrote:Isn't it amazing how they always "get word" of what's happening here and never actually see it for themselves?
Somewhere, there is a solitary, extremely over-worked baboon monitoring our every move and then notifying each and every one of the rest of the commentariat.
Besides, I'm pretty sure the Pit is a source of guilty pleasure to many an SJW.
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Dude, you can't just paste in a pic of her. You have to change SOMETHING or else it's not a 'shop.
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Try gorillas. As I recall they do things differently and there are studies out there (sorry no handy links).windy wrote:Maybe PZ just had the wrong species?Tribble wrote: And I should think a 'scientist' who is a 'biologist' might, before he fucking pontificates on some chart that goes against his Holy Church of Feminist Doctrine, familiarize himself with research that's now (a) well-established and (b) (some of it) now decades old.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17113387I tried to find some data on baboons, but the results seem inconclusive.Curr Biol. 2006 Nov 21;16(22):2234-8.
Male chimpanzees prefer mating with old females.
Muller MN, Thompson ME, Wrangham RW.
Cross-cultural studies indicate that women's sexual attractiveness generally peaks before motherhood and declines with age. Cues of female youth are thought to be attractive because humans maintain long-term pair bonds, making reproductive value (i.e. future reproductive potential) particularly important to males. Menopause is believed to exaggerate this preference for youth by limiting women's future fertility. This theory predicts that in species lacking long-term pair bonds and menopause, males should not exhibit a preference for young mates. We tested this prediction by studying male preferences in our closest living relative, the chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes). We show that despite their promiscuous mating system, chimpanzee males, like humans, prefer some females over others. However, in contrast to humans, chimpanzee males prefer older, not younger, females. These data robustly discriminate patterns of male mate choice between humans and chimpanzees. Given that the human lineage evolved from a chimpanzee-like ancestor, they indicate that male preference for youth is a derived human feature, likely adapted from a tendency to form unusually long term mating bonds.
Anyway, the bottom line is that the three groups (if you include humans) have different arrangements, so I am not clear how you can get any sort of meaningful extrapolation if all three go their own way in this regard (mate guarding, pairing, parental investment etc. etc. etc.)
As I recall anyway (not an expert and fuzzy memory on primate sexuality).
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welch wrote:Dude, you can't just paste in a pic of her. You have to change SOMETHING or else it's not a 'shop.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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No women just read BDSM porn like "50 shades of Gray" and that is totes OK because reasons.James Caruthers wrote:Didn't you know? Letting people (men, because women neeeever look at porn) look at skin mags and jerk off causes rape.Service Dog wrote:
I don't think reliable "rape per capita" data exists across 174 nations, and so WomanStats is justified in trying to construct a back-of-the-envelope Best Guess, from available data.
But the map AronRa presented wasn't even the map WomanStats offers as their 'best guess' about rape frequency. It was a map which incorporated all sorts of voodoo.... such as China's strict ban on pornography being cited by WomanStats as evidence that China is strongly anti-rape, compared to France which WomanStats faults for allowing porn to be sold at newsstands.
http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/ ... shades.jpg
Whatever man. Fuck (Die Antwoord)These are the "sex-positive" people. :lol:
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Avicenna comes down like a ton of bricks on the SJW crowd who are giving Ophie shit :popcorn: : http://freethoughtblogs.com/amilliongod ... etting-it/
If this is the start of an FTB/A+ schism, then I look forward to Carrier's inevitable tour-de-force of a meltdown owver the whole thing.
If this is the start of an FTB/A+ schism, then I look forward to Carrier's inevitable tour-de-force of a meltdown owver the whole thing.
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You obviously didn't notice that he shopped out her fourth nipple.welch wrote:Dude, you can't just paste in a pic of her. You have to change SOMETHING or else it's not a 'shop.
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Ah, hubris ...
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
Apparently Richard the tour the force has opened a Cafe Press site to sell Carrier mechandise to his legion of fans.
http://www.cafepress.com/carriersamusements
http://i.imgur.com/K5SMydc.jpg
Unfortunately the shelves are looking a little bare - Richard's only come up with two designs so far, neither of which inspire much hope in his graphic design sensibilities.
I wonder, now that the fun with 'Zvan Interference Services' is dying down, whether we have a new pitshop challenge staring us in the tour de face - creating Richard Carrier merchandise!
:D
Apparently Richard the tour the force has opened a Cafe Press site to sell Carrier mechandise to his legion of fans.
http://www.cafepress.com/carriersamusements
http://i.imgur.com/K5SMydc.jpg
Unfortunately the shelves are looking a little bare - Richard's only come up with two designs so far, neither of which inspire much hope in his graphic design sensibilities.
I wonder, now that the fun with 'Zvan Interference Services' is dying down, whether we have a new pitshop challenge staring us in the tour de face - creating Richard Carrier merchandise!
:D
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Since gorillas live in harem groups (or whatever it's called in English) I would be surprised if it didn't differ.AndrewV69 wrote: Try gorillas. As I recall they do things differently and there are studies out there (sorry no handy links).
This. We may be closely related but that doesn't really mean diddly squat. Just look how different bonobos and chimpanzees behave.AndrewV69 wrote: Anyway, the bottom line is that the three groups (if you include humans) have different arrangements, so I am not clear how you can get any sort of meaningful extrapolation if all three go their own way in this regard (mate guarding, pairing, parental investment etc. etc. etc.)
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TIL I'm a chimp (so not a baboon after all).windy wrote:However, in contrast to humans, chimpanzee males prefer older, not younger, females.
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Roseanne Barr's radio show Sunday, with her guest: TERF-feminist Cathy "Bug" Brennan.
Apparently they discuss ties between The Block Bot, COINTELPRO, the assassination of JFK, pedophilia,
mind control of women...
part 1 of 5
[youtube]Z0GRZ0jAN_Y[/youtube]
2/5 thru 5/5 http://www.roseanneworld.com/blog/2013/ ... -10-27-13/
http://i.imgur.com/B4m3Alm.png
Not to be outdone, Aratina posits a TERF/MRA conspiracy, dragging the SlymePit into it...
http://i.imgur.com/dGZiwT9.png
http://i.imgur.com/xtUB1Ho.png
http://i.imgur.com/6zFhmPq.png
Isn't "derp" an A+ banned term, for ableism?
http://i.imgur.com/Mp8tNFe.png
Aratina on Dogma:
http://i.imgur.com/GFNE9fn.png
Apparently they discuss ties between The Block Bot, COINTELPRO, the assassination of JFK, pedophilia,
mind control of women...
part 1 of 5
[youtube]Z0GRZ0jAN_Y[/youtube]
2/5 thru 5/5 http://www.roseanneworld.com/blog/2013/ ... -10-27-13/
http://i.imgur.com/B4m3Alm.png
Not to be outdone, Aratina posits a TERF/MRA conspiracy, dragging the SlymePit into it...
http://i.imgur.com/dGZiwT9.png
http://i.imgur.com/xtUB1Ho.png
http://i.imgur.com/6zFhmPq.png
Isn't "derp" an A+ banned term, for ableism?
http://i.imgur.com/Mp8tNFe.png
Aratina on Dogma:
http://i.imgur.com/GFNE9fn.png
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If black-on-black racism is impossible, how do they explain the genocide in Rwanda and countless other ethnic atrocities around the world?
Seems very Western-centric to insist a simplistic interpretation of the power dynamics in the West must apply everywhere.
Seems very Western-centric to insist a simplistic interpretation of the power dynamics in the West must apply everywhere.
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LOL! Awesome find.Tigzy wrote:Avicenna comes down like a ton of bricks on the SJW crowd who are giving Ophie shit :popcorn: : http://freethoughtblogs.com/amilliongod ... etting-it/
If this is the start of an FTB/A+ schism, then I look forward to Carrier's inevitable tour-de-force of a meltdown owver the whole thing.
Avicenna wrote:1. While Trigger Warnings are important to some it isn’t to most people. And unfortunately, life doesn’t come with a trigger warning.
This is such sweet victim-blaming, and deliciously telling the victims to "deal with it", or so we are told.
Avicenna wrote:I have had to treat acid victims, mutilations, burns. I have seen murders, road traffic accidents and even a damn shark attack.I've fucked a sheep, I've fucked a goat I rammed my cock right down its throat, So what, so what. So what, so what, you boring little fuck[oops, damn, sorry for the mixed up]
I'm eagerly waiting for PZ to call out Avicenna on his unhealthy obsession with Rebecca Watson. Any minute now ...Avicenna wrote:Or it is it only white people’s worries that you bleed for? Steubenvilles and Rebecca Watsons? I am afraid the problem here is you are telling us to not tell our stories.
He has a point, which means, I'll have a pile of pop corn ready just in case.Avicenna wrote:Rape? I have heard the term “Birth Rape†being used before. Or the rape of a woman by a doctor when the doctor performs things considered basic and gynaecologically sound. While I think consent is important in medicine I think that in emergencies consent should be assumed. Otherwise the entire field of Emergency and Trauma medicine are buggered.
*sarcastic face* Naah, it's all good. They'll just listen and reason with you. *reaches for pop corn*Avicenna wrote:I am sure you will call this mansplainin or whatever. But frankly?
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Dr Carrier's Delightful Ditty
O welcome, one an all,
To Doctor Carrier's cavalcade,
Of wondrous amusements, a veritable parade,
A tour-de-force of philosophical rapport.
So come look, one an all,
And delight in my use of imaginative notation,
Amongst splendid raiments bearing Solon's quotation,
Some splendid wear for fashion this Fall.
Oh don't...go, one an all,
I mean, I've only just started,
My wisdom hardly imparted,
And yet you're treating me like a common bore!
Oh please return, one an all,
Please come back, don't turn your backs,
Speaking of which - my paperbacks!
Ah, bollocks to yer, one an all,
Bunch of chuds, completely against us,
Yeah, you're not wanted by atheism plus!
So fuck off from my stall.
Hello, Opheli - aw!
You say athesim plus is now -
oh.
O welcome, one an all,
To Doctor Carrier's cavalcade,
Of wondrous amusements, a veritable parade,
A tour-de-force of philosophical rapport.
So come look, one an all,
And delight in my use of imaginative notation,
Amongst splendid raiments bearing Solon's quotation,
Some splendid wear for fashion this Fall.
Oh don't...go, one an all,
I mean, I've only just started,
My wisdom hardly imparted,
And yet you're treating me like a common bore!
Oh please return, one an all,
Please come back, don't turn your backs,
Speaking of which - my paperbacks!
Ah, bollocks to yer, one an all,
Bunch of chuds, completely against us,
Yeah, you're not wanted by atheism plus!
So fuck off from my stall.
Hello, Opheli - aw!
You say athesim plus is now -
oh.
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Part 1 and 2 are all over the place... CIA brainwashing, indiscriminate claims about the JonBenet murder...Service Dog wrote:Roseanne Barr's radio show Sunday, with her guest: TERF-feminist Cathy "Bug" Brennan.
But, unless you want to hear random battshitery, you won't miss much if you jump ahead to Part 3, where it seems to be taking more shape...
(that's as far as I've listened.)
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Maybe it's just me, but I really do glean a lot of amusement from the fact that Carrier named his, er, shop as 'Richard Carrier's Marvelous Amusements,' like some sort of travelling Victorian pedlar. I can just see him coming into town on a float pulled by Jen McCreight, wearing a battered top hat and prancing around to the music of a calliope as he divulges the wondrous Baynesian noveties on offer for his discerning patrons. There's almost something of Bradbury's 'Something Wicked This Way Comes' about it, with Carrier leading up the dark carnival as Mr Berk, with Ophelia as the Dust Witch, and PZ Myers taking the Cooger role as he goes backwards on the FTB merry-go-round and comes off it transformed into Alex Gabriel.
I'm sorry. It just amuses me to a most unseemly degree. Carrier has never failed to raise a grin in me, not since he wrote that his penis 'is of average size for a white male.'
He's the intellectual equivalent of David Brent.
I'm sorry. It just amuses me to a most unseemly degree. Carrier has never failed to raise a grin in me, not since he wrote that his penis 'is of average size for a white male.'
He's the intellectual equivalent of David Brent.
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Luckily we don't need to "extrapolate", since nowadays we can test species-specific hypotheses about behavior, as they did with the chimp study. The whole point of the study was that chimps and humans are different in this regard, so I'm not sure why you're bringing up extrapolation at all.spiffigt wrote:This. We may be closely related but that doesn't really mean diddly squat. Just look how different bonobos and chimpanzees behave.AndrewV69 wrote: Anyway, the bottom line is that the three groups (if you include humans) have different arrangements, so I am not clear how you can get any sort of meaningful extrapolation if all three go their own way in this regard (mate guarding, pairing, parental investment etc. etc. etc.)
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Theological basis + history of application + current cultural canvassSunder wrote:I've always been conflicted about Islam myself.Brive1987 wrote:Kinda poignant.
http://www.skepticink.com/nocrossnocres ... e-problem/
Trying to think how PZ would put a liberal slant on this one, and failing.
Doctrinally there's really nothing in the Koran that's of any measurable depth worse than what you can find in the Bible. They're both morally bankrupt tomes that advocate the most heinous of atrocities as punishments for trivial "crimes."
So if it's not the doctrine itself it just comes down to the practitioners. And noting that "moderate" Muslims are still pretty damn extreme doesn't really explain why.
The question here though is "can a standard approach of living by the book be compatible with western values". These gentleman seek to provide an answer from the perspective of moderate middle of the road Sunnis.
Why they are extreme to me is less of an imperative (given my govts policies) than blowing away the liberal smokescreen and noting that they are undeniably dangerous to "my" societies expressed values.
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That sir, is one hell of a line.Tigzy wrote: ...He's the intellectual equivalent of David Brent.
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Since we appear to be under unusually heavy baboon surveillance right now.
HEY! HEEEYYYY!!! OVER HERE YOU FUCKERS!!!
[youtube]5YAlVAcKIq0[/youtube]
If saw the original "Promoting Amy" before it was blocked, the last minute or so is additional footage.
HEY! HEEEYYYY!!! OVER HERE YOU FUCKERS!!!
[youtube]5YAlVAcKIq0[/youtube]
If saw the original "Promoting Amy" before it was blocked, the last minute or so is additional footage.
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Well, that was a giant waste of time.
Blocked more or less instantly.
Fuck.
Blocked more or less instantly.
Fuck.
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Carrier is a lousy writer. Not only is his grammar atrocious, as you just showed. Calling something "the most overriding value" is pure nonsense. "Overriding" already means that it surpasses everything else in importance. "Most overriding" is like "most optimal", "most perfect", etc. Similarly, what is the use of the word "intrinsic" in "its own intrinsic nature"? "Its nature" is pretty intrinsic, right? For that matter, "own" is superfluous as well. Carrier has all the verbosity of a self-important pontificator.Guestus Aurelius wrote:Jan Steen: MVP[itter].
Something I've noticed with great amusement about Carrier is that for all his pompous loquaciousness, he's not a particularly good writer. In his refusal to strive for brevity and edit accordingly, he ends up with impenetrable, awkward prose that nobody wants to read, undercutting any decent points he might make. Massimo Pigliucci nailed it.
And it's not just his style that's problematic. Here is an excerpt from the Pigliucci link:
The possessive pronoun its at the beginning promises to correlate with the sentence's subject that will follow ("the most overriding value"), but it turns out to stand for any conscious agent instead. Also, he mixes future tense ("will have") with present tense ("is").Dicky C wrote:Premise 2. By its own intrinsic nature, the most overriding value any conscious agent will have is for maximizing its own well-being and reducing its own suffering.
Better:
Okay, I'm being a picky douche, but dammit, if he's going to parade his degree and claim to be "intellectual artillery," then a picky douche I will be.Guestus Aurelius wrote:Premise 2. People care most about maximizing their own well-being and reducing their own suffering.
Thanks for the compliment, BTW.