Bleeding from the Bunghole

Continuation of the post at Abbie Smith's ERV blog (http://scienceblogs.com/erv/)

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Tigzy » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:32 pm  •  [Post 16056]

Pitchguest wrote:Wait, what? Liberal use of the word "cunt" in a derogatory fashion to "belittle women and insult men" is only a healthy reaction when it's used in the right context by the right people?

What the fuck is she talking about?


Once again, with Pruney, the snooty, imperious, hypocritical, snobbish Victorian grand dame comes to the fore.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Bourne Skeptic » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:35 pm  •  [Post 16057]

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FrankGrimes wrote:Just dropping this off for anyone that might be interested. I hadn't seen it but it's very interesting, to me at least:



Sorry to ask any of you to do something for me but I usually get my slyme on my kindle fire and I can't view whatever format this video is in. Would you all be so kind as to include a link to originals? I can view normal youtubes.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby ROBOKiTTY » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:35 pm  •  [Post 16058]

guestinavest wrote:
FrankGrimes wrote:Just dropping this off for anyone that might be interested. I hadn't seen it but it's very interesting, to me at least:

[youbtube]FL1TZQIJgf4[/youbtube]


Sorry to ask any of you to do something for me but I usually get my slyme on my kindle fire and I can't view whatever format this video is in. Would you all be so kind as to include a link to originals? I can view normal youtubes.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby yomomma » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:35 pm  •  [Post 16059]

Tribble wrote:I'll be the first to admit Keynesian and Neo-Keynesian economics are not perfect. But at least they're mostly right and they do self-correct when the models break down. While the economics you seem to favor has a long and broad history of failure, in the west, in the second world, in the third world, for well over a hundred years. It's destroyed the economies of the US (the Great Depression which also effected Europe), Chile, Greece, Brazil, Spain, Ireland, and a host of other countries.


What are you talking about? Current day Greece wasn't destroyed by a free market/fiscally conservative system.

Further, some would argue that our recent financial bubbles were products of Keynesian type policies.

Tribble wrote:And despite this record of abject failure in the real-world, it's the same song-and dance for every situation -- tax cuts for the rich/austerity for the proles. Isn't 100+ years of failure of 'classic/Austrian/austerian' economics enough? If not, how many more decades of 'failure' can you accept until you can't put it (the failures) on ignore? Will it have to be personal and you have to watch your grandchildren live three-families to a house and aspire to be peons/pool boys, like what happened in Chile, before you can accept it? Because that's where your policies lead for significant swaths of a population, while only truly benefiting the top 1% of the same.


"Your policies".

Hahahaha.

That's funny.

Like I've ever said that I believe in a 100% free market. I've already said that I'm not a purist Libertarian. I do believe however, that the middle class is taxed way too much and that the super wealthy (the 1%) are not taxed enough. Obviously allowing them to hold onto their money does nothing unless they're forced to invest it, which they should be IMO or given a reoccurring penalty on excess cash over a certain amount. Right now, none of that money is going into the economy. It's going into the stock market where the 1% keeps making more money that they continue to keep.

But I also think that printing money, along with taxation over 50% is not something I believe in on principal or logic. I realize that economics is complex and I admit I don't know everything, far from it, but I also believe that government often times gets in the way of prosperity, innovation and production as well.

Also, I think it's really hard to do an apples to apples comparison between a Clinton economy and the current economy. We were living in a different time then, plus, Clinton was a small d Democrat IMO.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby ROBOKiTTY » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:36 pm  •  [Post 16060]

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby katamari Damassi » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:38 pm  •  [Post 16061]

Service Dog wrote:
Passes the The Bechdel Test, too!

A lot of comics do. Even the ones feminists think are sexist. But, you know, you have to actually read them to notice this.

Same goes for TV shows. I think the Bechdel Test must have been carefully tailored so that it would be useful only for movies, and then people would make the false conclusion that the test has value for other mediums. It doesn't. It's moderately useful for movies, but comics, video games (yeah, that's right) and TV shows really demonstrate that it's not hard to pass the test at all. Outside of movies. Not sure why movies have such a tough time of it.

I mean, going by the Bechdel Test, it's movies rather than games and comics that are so super sexist! Ban movies!



Alison Bechdel knows comics, that's not in doubt.
Feminists do tend to forget the "then just don't watch 'em" part, from her 1985 original:
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby ConcentratedH2O, OM » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:41 pm  •  [Post 16062]

Bourne Skeptic wrote:
guestinavest wrote:
FrankGrimes wrote:Just dropping this off for anyone that might be interested. I hadn't seen it but it's very interesting, to me at least:



Sorry to ask any of you to do something for me but I usually get my slyme on my kindle fire and I can't view whatever format this video is in. Would you all be so kind as to include a link to originals? I can view normal youtubes.
In anticipation of all the fuck offs I'll get, go fuck yourselves. Cheers.


Enjoy!
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Lsuoma » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:43 pm  •  [Post 16063]

bhoytony wrote:
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bhoytony wrote:I can't say I'm convinced with this argument that women are not depicted realistically in comic books. As far as I can see the characters Sandra and Tracey (also known as San and Tray) look exactly like a lot of women who I had interesting conversations with at 2:00 AM when I was in my twenties.

I've been shamefully aroused by the Fat Slags comic strip many a time. I'm so sad.


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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Guest » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:45 pm  •  [Post 16064]

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Guest wrote:http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2013/10/one-thought-too-many/

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Wait, what? Liberal use of the word "cunt" in a derogatory fashion to "belittle women and insult men" is only a healthy reaction when it's used in the right context by the right people?

What the fuck is she talking about?


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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Tigzy » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:46 pm  •  [Post 16065]

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Suet Cardigan » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:46 pm  •  [Post 16066]

Once again, with Pruney, the snooty, imperious, hypocritical, snobbish Victorian grand dame comes to the fore.


That sums her up perfectly.
On the original ERB slimepit, Ophie made this comment:
"Yes, but it wasn't a matter of saying something; it was scolding me as if I were the scullery maid"
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Steersman » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:48 pm  •  [Post 16067]

Pitchguest wrote:
Guest wrote:http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2013/10/one-thought-too-many/

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Wait, what? Liberal use of the word "cunt" in a derogatory fashion to "belittle women and insult men" is only a healthy reaction when it's used in the right context by the right people?

What the fuck is she talking about?

I don’t think she said “use of cunt in a derogatory fashion is … only a healthy reaction”. I expect she is utilizing her “use-mention” concept, that it is ok to describe people using the word by saying they are using the word, to mention the word itself in stating that.

Seems to me that you might be reading in something there she didn’t mean, although I’ll concede that that might be due to some nuances of the language.

But I’ll also suggest that she might have a point or two – calling one or two women cunts, or one of two men pricks, or one or two black people niggers, might be excused on the basis of simply insulting someone – for a good reason or not. More frequent use of the words is likely to suggest some sexism or racism. IMHO.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Gumby » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:48 pm  •  [Post 16068]

Pitchguest wrote:
Guest wrote:http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2013/10/one-thought-too-many/

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Wait, what? Liberal use of the word "cunt" in a derogatory fashion to "belittle women and insult men" is only a healthy reaction when it's used in the right context by the right people?

What the fuck is she talking about?


It's the standard FtB code of ethics:

"It's OK when we do it".
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Steersman » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:51 pm  •  [Post 16069]


:)
But, uhm, is that a "blast from the past" or is that supposed to be relevant or related to some recent comments of mine?
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Gumby » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:53 pm  •  [Post 16071]

Suet Cardigan wrote:
Once again, with Pruney, the snooty, imperious, hypocritical, snobbish Victorian grand dame comes to the fore.


That sums her up perfectly.
On the original ERB slimepit, Ophie made this comment:
"Yes, but it wasn't a matter of saying something; it was scolding me as if I were the scullery maid"
Someone talked to her as though she was a working class person! The horror!


Sounds about right. This is the same person who moaned that she once had to sit in the same bus as smelly people, and the same person who was furious that someone on the plane she was flying to a conference in Dublin was coughing due to a cold. How dare you assault me with your odor and/or germs, you miserable little common people?!? Don't you people know who I am? I'm Ophelia Benson, dammit!
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Steersman » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:54 pm  •  [Post 16072]

Gumby wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:
Guest wrote:http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2013/10/one-thought-too-many/

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Wait, what? Liberal use of the word "cunt" in a derogatory fashion to "belittle women and insult men" is only a healthy reaction when it's used in the right context by the right people?

What the fuck is she talking about?


It's the standard FtB code of ethics:

"It's OK when we do it".

As mentioned or suggested, I think you're missing her point. She didn't call anybody a cunt - at least that I can see. All she is doing is pointing out that someone else is doing so - and mentioning the word in the process. Very different kettles of fish - methinks. Doesn't help "our" credibility, I think, to ignore that distinction.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby katamari Damassi » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:56 pm  •  [Post 16073]

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In the previous podcast they discuss PopSci's decision to close comments on their site, and though Bec's participates in the discussion I don't think she mentions that she will be blogging for them and she doesn't go into her usual internet harassment victimization spiel though the situation presents a golden opportunity to do so.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Tigzy » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:56 pm  •  [Post 16074]

Steersman wrote:

:)
But, uhm, is that a "blast from the past" or is that supposed to be relevant or related to some recent comments of mine?


Such is the nature of the present Pit converstaion - to wit: Pitters who resemble, in their online actions and interactions, characters oft featured in the well known British humour periodical, 'Viz' - that one can safely deduct that I am presenting a statement that you resemble, in the context of present discourse, the aforementioned 'Mr Logic'.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Steersman » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:01 pm  •  [Post 16075]

Tigzy wrote:
Steersman wrote:

:)
But, uhm, is that a "blast from the past" or is that supposed to be relevant or related to some recent comments of mine?


Such is the nature of the present Pit converstaion - to wit: Pitters who resemble, in their online actions and interactions, characters oft featured in the well known British humour periodical, 'Viz' - that one can safely deduct that I am presenting a statement that you resemble, in the context of present discourse, the aforementioned 'Mr Logic'.

Yes, I kind of gathered you were suggesting a resemblance. I was merely wondering whether you were referring to anything in particular.

But, out of curiosity and in passing, how did you happen to acquire your interest and facility with the ancient accent? I think you mentioned an interest in Samuel Pepys, but it seems it would have to have been more than that.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Lsuoma » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:02 pm  •  [Post 16076]

Tigzy wrote:
Steersman wrote:

:)
But, uhm, is that a "blast from the past" or is that supposed to be relevant or related to some recent comments of mine?


Such is the nature of the present Pit converstaion - to wit: Pitters who resemble, in their online actions and interactions, characters oft featured in the well known British humour periodical, 'Viz' - that one can safely deduct that I am presenting a statement that you resemble, in the context of present discourse, the aforementioned 'Mr Logic'.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Gumby » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:03 pm  •  [Post 16077]

Steersman wrote:As mentioned or suggested, I think you're missing her point. She didn't call anybody a cunt - at least that I can see. All she is doing is pointing out that someone else is doing so - and mentioning the word in the process. Very different kettles of fish - methinks. Doesn't help "our" credibility, I think, to ignore that distinction.


"Actually I too think liberal use of the word cunt, in the right context by the right people, is a healthy reaction to people who use it as an epithet to degrade and belittle women or to insult men by comparing them to women’s genitalia. Kate Smurthwaite convinced me of that when I saw her perform in Dublin. But “liberal use” as an epithet by bullies is another matter."
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Guest » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:03 pm  •  [Post 16078]

Steersman wrote:As mentioned or suggested, I think you're missing her point. She didn't call anybody a cunt - at least that I can see. All she is doing is pointing out that someone else is doing so - and mentioning the word in the process. Very different kettles of fish - methinks. Doesn't help "our" credibility, I think, to ignore that distinction.


1. In the tweet she quoted, no one called anyone a cunt. They just use cunt liberally.

2. Just how does anyone use cunt either liberally or in the "right context by the right people" without using it as an insult? "Oh Oolon, I love your cunty bot!" "O PZ you squirt blog posts lie a cunt in May" "O PhysioProffe ye queynte is sweete" Can you provide an example to help me understand?
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Tigzy » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:05 pm  •  [Post 16079]

Steersman wrote:
Tigzy wrote:
Steersman wrote: :)
But, uhm, is that a "blast from the past" or is that supposed to be relevant or related to some recent comments of mine?


Such is the nature of the present Pit converstaion - to wit: Pitters who resemble, in their online actions and interactions, characters oft featured in the well known British humour periodical, 'Viz' - that one can safely deduct that I am presenting a statement that you resemble, in the context of present discourse, the aforementioned 'Mr Logic'.

Yes, I kind of gathered you were suggesting a resemblance. I was merely wondering whether you were referring to anything in particular.

But, out of curiosity and in passing, how did you happen to acquire your interest and facility with the ancient accent? I think you mentioned an interest in Samuel Pepys, but it seems it would have to have been more than that.


Steers, what the fuck are you talking about?

That's a parody of how YOU speak!

Just like Mr Logic does.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Suet Cardigan » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:12 pm  •  [Post 16080]

I'm nearly pissing myself laughing at the fact that Steersman doesn't get it, and is responding in exactly the way Mr Logic would. :lol:
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Karmakin » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:13 pm  •  [Post 16081]

yomomma wrote:
Tribble wrote:What keeps poor people in the poor people cycle is our social structure. We have, in America, the least mobile society in the West. And it's because of our Libertarian/Morality Police policies that are made as minimal as possible by Conservatives and their Libertarian cousins.


That's an absurd claim. How successful have fiscal Democrats/Liberals been in breaking the cycle of poverty?


Not very successful. But it actually has nothing to do with the business cycle (which is what we're talking about when we're talking about these issues).

It has nothing to do with welfare, or other social services.

What it has to do with is inflation.

To put it simply, in most Western countries the decision was made to stop economies using fiscal tools before they could reach full employment in order to hold wage inflation down. IMO Greenspan's decision to do that at the end of the Clinton presidency was the trigger for the economy up to today.

The best way to fight poverty without social welfare programs is to increase wages. But we've made the decision to hold wages down in order to fight inflation. As such, those social services are the PRICE of low inflation. Poverty is working as intended. People being unable to find decent paying full-time jobs is working as intended.

It's intentional. And yes, both the Democrats and Republicans are to blame, as well as an economic establishment that wouldn't know the proper elasticity of all sorts of things if it snapped back into their face as they're so out of touch with the real world...one based heavily around a service economy...and not still in the pre-globalization industrial world.

And that's the big problem right there. Economics as a whole hasn't realized that economies in the technological age vastly different than economies in the industrial age.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Steersman » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:15 pm  •  [Post 16082]

Gumby wrote:
Steersman wrote:As mentioned or suggested, I think you're missing her point. She didn't call anybody a cunt - at least that I can see. All she is doing is pointing out that someone else is doing so - and mentioning the word in the process. Very different kettles of fish - methinks. Doesn't help "our" credibility, I think, to ignore that distinction.


"Actually I too think liberal use of the word cunt, in the right context by the right people, is a healthy reaction to people who use it as an epithet to degrade and belittle women or to insult men by comparing them to women’s genitalia. Kate Smurthwaite convinced me of that when I saw her perform in Dublin. But “liberal use” as an epithet by bullies is another matter."

But that is still not her calling anybody a cunt - note her use of "use", as in "liberal use as an epithet". Again a question of the "use-mention" dichotomy that she has discussed in some detail in previous posts on her original blog.

However, I suppose if she has been acting like an upper-class British twit – as you described earlier – then maybe there would be some justification for calling her a twat.

But, as she doesn’t seem to be acting that way in this case, one might wonder what relevance those prior actions might have. Seems to me that, as she suggested on a Richard Dawkins post – the source of Badger’s signature if I’m not mistaken, one might wonder why “cunt” is more prevalent than “prick” or “nigger”. Since they seem rather analogous, one might question the reason for that asymmetry. Are there simply more “cunts” in the class “woman” than there are “pricks” in the class “man”, than “niggers” in the class “black people”? Is the first case simply “more of a gal thing”? Or maybe it is a reflection of some endemic sexism ….
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Aneris » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:18 pm  •  [Post 16083]

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Steersman wrote:As mentioned or suggested, I think you're missing her point. She didn't call anybody a cunt - at least that I can see. All she is doing is pointing out that someone else is doing so - and mentioning the word in the process. Very different kettles of fish - methinks. Doesn't help "our" credibility, I think, to ignore that distinction.


1. In the tweet she quoted, no one called anyone a cunt. They just use cunt liberally.

2. Just how does anyone use cunt either liberally or in the "right context by the right people" without using it as an insult? "Oh Oolon, I love your cunty bot!" "O PZ you squirt blog posts lie a cunt in May" "O PhysioProffe ye queynte is sweete" Can you provide an example to help me understand?


You are both correct. What Steers meant is called Use-Mention distinction (and error if confused). Yes, that's a thing. Using a word is different from mentioning it in order to discuss the word or its usage. Correctly, a mention puts into quotes, to make the distinction clear. Ophelia doesn't use the word herself, though she now concedes that some people may use(!) it. Interesting. What happened to splash damage and all that? It boils down to what was suspected anyway: it was a token item to draw battle lines between people who accepted prerogative of interpretation of the Commentariat/SJW and those who didn't. An inverse shibboleth, so to speak.

I suspect, the Commentariat is bleeding too much on that front since many very outspoken feminists use the word themselves, which caused many to end up on the block bot. Ophelia Benson certainly knows about it which would explain this maneuvre. Note how she tries to salvage (and rationalize) the previous ideology. As said before, their views always appear as zealous as they are flexible. If not working anymore to aggressively further a personal agenda, it can change.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby free thoughtpolice » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:18 pm  •  [Post 16084]

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Steersman wrote:As mentioned or suggested, I think you're missing her point. She didn't call anybody a cunt - at least that I can see. All she is doing is pointing out that someone else is doing so - and mentioning the word in the process. Very different kettles of fish - methinks. Doesn't help "our" credibility, I think, to ignore that distinction.


"Actually I too think liberal use of the word cunt, in the right context by the right people, is a healthy reaction to people who use it as an epithet to degrade and belittle women or to insult men by comparing them to women’s genitalia. Kate Smurthwaite convinced me of that when I saw her perform in Dublin. But “liberal use” as an epithet by bullies is another matter."


In other words it's OK to call someone a cunt if they use the word cunt as an epithet?
Wouldn't that make both parties here cunts?
It's OK to call a bully a cunt but it's not bullying to call them a cunt?
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Steersman » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:20 pm  •  [Post 16085]

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Steersman wrote:As mentioned or suggested, I think you're missing her point. She didn't call anybody a cunt - at least that I can see. All she is doing is pointing out that someone else is doing so - and mentioning the word in the process. Very different kettles of fish - methinks. Doesn't help "our" credibility, I think, to ignore that distinction.


1. In the tweet she quoted, no one called anyone a cunt. They just use cunt liberally.

True. But it seems they're talking about using the word as an epithet. Not much point otherwise - unless they're all linguists - cunning or otherwise.

Guest wrote:2. Just how does anyone use cunt either liberally or in the "right context by the right people" without using it as an insult? "Oh Oolon, I love your cunty bot!" "O PZ you squirt blog posts lie a cunt in May" "O PhysioProffe ye queynte is sweete" Can you provide an example to help me understand?

Didn't you just use the word "cunt" - as in your "how does anyone use cunt either liberally ..."? Is that phrase to be construed as an insult? Doesn't look like your argument holds much water - isn't all that *logically* coherent.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Tigzy » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:20 pm  •  [Post 16086]

free thoughtpolice wrote:Ophie is definitely getting meta these days.


Despite the fact that she's clearly starting to lose her Morales.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Parody Accountant » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:24 pm  •  [Post 16087]

guestinavest wrote:<snipped>

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Aneris » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:26 pm  •  [Post 16088]

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The guest is correct, on some devices you don't have that button. I would also suggest to add the plain link in addition but forget that often, too.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Steersman » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:26 pm  •  [Post 16089]

Tigzy wrote:
Steersman wrote:
Tigzy wrote:....
Such is the nature of the present Pit converstaion - to wit: Pitters who resemble, in their online actions and interactions, characters oft featured in the well known British humour periodical, 'Viz' - that one can safely deduct that I am presenting a statement that you resemble, in the context of present discourse, the aforementioned 'Mr Logic'.

Yes, I kind of gathered you were suggesting a resemblance. I was merely wondering whether you were referring to anything in particular.

But, out of curiosity and in passing, how did you happen to acquire your interest and facility with the ancient accent? I think you mentioned an interest in Samuel Pepys, but it seems it would have to have been more than that.


Steers, what the fuck are you talking about?

That's a parody of how YOU speak!

Just like Mr Logic does.

Ohhhh-kayyyy. So you don't like the way I phrase things. You have anything in particular to say against what I've actually said?
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby ERV » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:30 pm  •  [Post 16090]

BarnOwl wrote:
Badger3k wrote:In other news, Steffy is begging for money, and Avicenna is saying something against Thunderf00t (not sure what, couldn't waste the minutes it would take to read his drivel). Ophie finds rape culture where most of us would find a kid connected to a politician gets out of trouble. Not sure about the rest of the article, but going to the "house they used to live in was burned down in mysterious circumstances) to suggest the townspeople burned it down in retaliation for reporting the rapes is a bit much (so far, it could change if I ever think it's worth looking into).


Peezus Christ on a crutch ... they're all medically "special," "unusual," and "rare." What are the chances that they all have (sometimes multiple) rare chronic conditions, unique drug reactions, unusual allergies and autoimmune disorders, etc. etc. And their special medical conditions require that they quit their jobs to get healthy again, and that means cyber-begging with their piteous stories. I've had a few co-workers who develop special chronic conditions and "disabilities" that require reduced working hours and duties for accommodation, yet somehow magically they're always healthy enough and have plenty of spoons to travel to Europe or Australia or ski resorts in the US and Canada to attend fun meetings and conferences.

Fuck that shit.

I noticed with the Chronic Fatigue Syndrome folks-- It was incredible how active they were able to be online, despite their 'inability' to work. Dozens of Tweets a day, active on Facebook and special-interest forums, and look at Svan, able to organize posts full of meticulously screen-capped, uploaded, and organized Tweets from others, with commentary.

But work, no, work is simply too much for her to handle.

Also, ask my partner about my migraines. Ask. Ask how theyve been the past couple of months. You know what I cut back on instead of work? Blogging.

What a fucking loser.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Guest » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:33 pm  •  [Post 16091]

Steersman wrote:
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Steersman wrote:As mentioned or suggested, I think you're missing her point. She didn't call anybody a cunt - at least that I can see. All she is doing is pointing out that someone else is doing so - and mentioning the word in the process. Very different kettles of fish - methinks. Doesn't help "our" credibility, I think, to ignore that distinction.


1. In the tweet she quoted, no one called anyone a cunt. They just use cunt liberally.

True. But it seems they're talking about using the word as an epithet. Not much point otherwise - unless they're all linguists - cunning or otherwise.

Guest wrote:2. Just how does anyone use cunt either liberally or in the "right context by the right people" without using it as an insult? "Oh Oolon, I love your cunty bot!" "O PZ you squirt blog posts lie a cunt in May" "O PhysioProffe ye queynte is sweete" Can you provide an example to help me understand?

Didn't you just use the word "cunt" - as in your "how does anyone use cunt either liberally ..."? Is that phrase to be construed as an insult? Doesn't look like your argument holds much water - isn't all that *logically* coherent.


Mentioning the word "cunt" to ask how one uses the word "cunt" (if I have Aneris correctly) is different from a liberal use of "cunt". As I asked, If liberal means frequently, how do you think Kate Smurthwaite in her performance in Dublin use "cunt" liberally if not as an insult or as the subject of some Steermanian argument? Do you really think not using "cunt" as an insult is what Ophelia is referring to?

Can you as an example use the word "cunt" (not mention it, but use it) in a way that satisfies you and me and the rest of us as a way that Ophelia thinks is some healthy reaction to people using it as an epithet to degrade ad belittle women?

Your cunty argument is most putrescent! I mean sweet to my nostriles! Your cunty taste in movies is tight and narrow and velvety and makes me swoon. You squeezed that lemon and cuntily caught me in the eye!

I think Steersman, that she is trying to "reclaim" the word cunt, much as feminists claim to have reclaimed the word "bitch" by witch they mean precisely, when they call each other bitches, it is ironic and a smashing of the Patriarchy. When you or I use the word bitch it is oppressive and demeaning to women.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Service Dog » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:35 pm  •  [Post 16092]

Guest wrote:
1. In the tweet she quoted, no one called anyone a cunt. They just use cunt liberally.

2. Just how does anyone use cunt either liberally or in the "right context by the right people" without using it as an insult?....Can you provide an example to help me understand?


In answer to #2: Kate Smurthwaite advocates using the word "cunt" as a non-derogatory term for female genitals.

So yes, you're right about #1: there's nothing about the tweet that's inherently different from Smurthwaite's 'liberal use' of the word.

Sounds reasonable, but Kate Smurthwaite has shitty ideas about who "the right people" are-- when it comes to deserving free speech:
http://youtu.be/YaJQN66L4Tw?t=45s


My view:
I rarely use it myself but I see a liberal use of the word cunt as an insult to be a healthy reaction to those who seek to ban the word as an insult.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Suet Cardigan » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:37 pm  •  [Post 16093]

Mr Logic is a true skeptic, by the way. When a gypsy asked if he wanted to go into her booth and have his fortune told, he replied:
"The very fact that you find it necessary to ask is surely in itself proof of your inability to forsee, several seconds ago, that, at this point, I would not enter your booth."
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Guest » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:41 pm  •  [Post 16094]

Service Dog wrote:
Guest wrote:
1. In the tweet she quoted, no one called anyone a cunt. They just use cunt liberally.

2. Just how does anyone use cunt either liberally or in the "right context by the right people" without using it as an insult?....Can you provide an example to help me understand?


In answer to #2: Kate Smurthwaite advocates using the word "cunt" as a non-derogatory term for female genitals.

So yes, you're right about #1: there's nothing about the tweet that's inherently different from Smurthwaite's 'liberal use' of the word.

Sounds reasonable, but Kate Smurthwaite has shitty ideas about who "the right people" are-- when it comes to deserving free speech:
http://youtu.be/YaJQN66L4Tw?t=45s

I see, thank you. My misunderstanding comes from not hearing the words vagina, vulva, or cunt ever used frequently enough to be described as a liberal use.
My view:
I rarely use it myself but I see a liberal use of the word cunt as an insult to be a healthy reaction to those who seek to ban the word as an insult.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Bourne Skeptic » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:43 pm  •  [Post 16095]

ERV wrote:
BarnOwl wrote:
Badger3k wrote:In other news, Steffy is begging for money, and Avicenna is saying something against Thunderf00t (not sure what, couldn't waste the minutes it would take to read his drivel). Ophie finds rape culture where most of us would find a kid connected to a politician gets out of trouble. Not sure about the rest of the article, but going to the "house they used to live in was burned down in mysterious circumstances) to suggest the townspeople burned it down in retaliation for reporting the rapes is a bit much (so far, it could change if I ever think it's worth looking into).


Peezus Christ on a crutch ... they're all medically "special," "unusual," and "rare." What are the chances that they all have (sometimes multiple) rare chronic conditions, unique drug reactions, unusual allergies and autoimmune disorders, etc. etc. And their special medical conditions require that they quit their jobs to get healthy again, and that means cyber-begging with their piteous stories. I've had a few co-workers who develop special chronic conditions and "disabilities" that require reduced working hours and duties for accommodation, yet somehow magically they're always healthy enough and have plenty of spoons to travel to Europe or Australia or ski resorts in the US and Canada to attend fun meetings and conferences.

Fuck that shit.

I noticed with the Chronic Fatigue Syndrome folks-- It was incredible how active they were able to be online, despite their 'inability' to work. Dozens of Tweets a day, active on Facebook and special-interest forums, and look at Svan, able to organize posts full of meticulously screen-capped, uploaded, and organized Tweets from others, with commentary.

But work, no, work is simply too much for her to handle.

Also, ask my partner about my migraines. Ask. Ask how theyve been the past couple of months. You know what I cut back on instead of work? Blogging.

What a fucking loser.


What the fuck is wrong with you? Blogging's more important than putting food on the table. FFS a "real" blogger would know that!!
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby bhoytony » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:43 pm  •  [Post 16096]

Guest wrote:2. Just how does anyone use cunt either liberally or in the "right context by the right people" without using it as an insult? "Oh Oolon, I love your cunty bot!" "O PZ you squirt blog posts lie a cunt in May" "O PhysioProffe ye queynte is sweete" Can you provide an example to help me understand?


I'm guessing you're an American or a different social class to me. Where I live cunt is used every day without it being an insult.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Guest » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:47 pm  •  [Post 16097]

Intriguingly, I know many women that dislike the use of the word cunt in day to day use, but like to hear it during sex. That's their preference.

To use cunt in the liberal frequent feminized world, to reclaim it, would rob these other women of the taboo dirty nasty use of the word they enjoy.

If this loss is great it would be an example of not thinking their cunting plan all the way through.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Guest » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:48 pm  •  [Post 16098]

bhoytony wrote:
Guest wrote:2. Just how does anyone use cunt either liberally or in the "right context by the right people" without using it as an insult? "Oh Oolon, I love your cunty bot!" "O PZ you squirt blog posts lie a cunt in May" "O PhysioProffe ye queynte is sweete" Can you provide an example to help me understand?


I'm guessing you're an American or a different social class to me. Where I live cunt is used every day without it being an insult.


American, I plead guilty.

My understanding of the British use was that it was still an insult, just not the horrible c word that it is in the US.

How is it used where you are? (Diagrams might be appreciated).
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Bourne Skeptic » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:55 pm  •  [Post 16099]

Guest wrote:
bhoytony wrote:
Guest wrote:2. Just how does anyone use cunt either liberally or in the "right context by the right people" without using it as an insult? "Oh Oolon, I love your cunty bot!" "O PZ you squirt blog posts lie a cunt in May" "O PhysioProffe ye queynte is sweete" Can you provide an example to help me understand?


I'm guessing you're an American or a different social class to me. Where I live cunt is used every day without it being an insult.


American, I plead guilty.

My understanding of the British use was that it was still an insult, just not the horrible c word that it is in the US.

How is it used where you are? (Diagrams might be appreciated).


Diagrams, pfft, I want hi res video's.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Tigzy » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:57 pm  •  [Post 16100]

Steersman.

I have nothing against the way you say things. I admit, your verbiage can be excessive, but I continue to remain amused both by your archaic turn of phrase (and yes, you are quite correct, I am a fan of such - ever since I read that Pepys entry of some Royal guests who, as he put it, 'shat in the fireplace, twice in one night!', I have been an admirer), but fuck me sideways old chum - you are quite the most astonishingly literal-minded person I have ever met. Well, okay, 'seen on the internet', but you know what I mean. Hence my likening of you to Mr Logic.

And I have no beef with that Steers, I really don't, but - god, you are fascinating. Your mind is a strange, pristine, crystalline thing, but oddly antiseptic. I do not believe you are incapable of empathy, but I'm pretty sure you'd fail one of those Voight-Kampf tests out of Blade Runner, and have your head shot off in the mistaken belief that you were a replicant. And it can be little unsettling at times, especially when you fail to grasp the most rudimentary humour. I mean, when you write, it's the verbal equivalent of the Uncanny Valley effect. I guess you know what that is, but for the benefit of those who don't, it's that creepy aura you get with figurative images of people which are almost human-like, but not quite. It's a problem which afflicts CGI images (see 'The Polar Express'. Or a rather don't, unless you want a dark, phantasmal horror to hang over your childhood memories of happy Christmases) and animatronics. Your writing is kind of like that.

A bit...unreal. Human...but not quite. But endlessly fascinating, as i've said before.

I have to ask - is poetic or metaphorical language completely alien to you? I mean this seriously. Somehow, you just never seem to quite grasp something which is even vaguely beyond the literal. What were English literature classes like for you when you were a kid? Did you find them hard going?

I mean, take this, from Shakespeares sonnets: 'Shall I compare thee to a summer's day? '

I just can't help but imagine that your response would be a bit like this:

'I really rather think that such a comparison is invalid, as it stretches credibility somewhat to liken an organic physical being to not just a seasonal unit, but a weekly one.'

Blake: 'To see a world in a grain of sand,
And a heaven in a wild flower,'

'One cannot conceivably see the world in a grain of sand, as the world is considerably larger that the average piece shoreline silica. As for the latter line, well, I really think the existence of Heaven needs to be established before such a comparison can be presented, unless Mr Blake is blowing smoke out of his ass, of course...'

Really Steers...you do make me wonder, you really do. I honestly hope you leave your body to science, because I think rich and bizarre discoveries could be made from an examination of your neurology. That said, whatever humour I've gleaned at your expense has always been good natured and I do think you're a good guy.

But in a purely clinical sense, you leave me bewildered yet fascinated.

Oh, and this is what excessive verbiage looks like, by the way.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby bhoytony » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:58 pm  •  [Post 16101]

Guest wrote:
bhoytony wrote:
Guest wrote:2. Just how does anyone use cunt either liberally or in the "right context by the right people" without using it as an insult? "Oh Oolon, I love your cunty bot!" "O PZ you squirt blog posts lie a cunt in May" "O PhysioProffe ye queynte is sweete" Can you provide an example to help me understand?


I'm guessing you're an American or a different social class to me. Where I live cunt is used every day without it being an insult.


American, I plead guilty.

My understanding of the British use was that it was still an insult, just not the horrible c word that it is in the US.

How is it used where you are? (Diagrams might be appreciated).


It can be used as an insult, but you often hear it used as a term of affection ("How are you, you wee cunt?") or sometimes just meaning a person ("look at that cunt over there").
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby another lurker » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:59 pm  •  [Post 16102]

Guest wrote:Intriguingly, I know many women that dislike the use of the word cunt in day to day use, but like to hear it during sex. That's their preference.

To use cunt in the liberal frequent feminized world, to reclaim it, would rob these other women of the taboo dirty nasty use of the word they enjoy.

If this loss is great it would be an example of not thinking their cunting plan all the way through.



Back in my IRC days, we had some very specific rules for our #philosophicus channel. First of all, 'can't and 'count' had to be spelled as 'cunt' at all times. And 'come', predictably, had to be spelled as 'cum' :P
I am glad to have been exposed to this point of view, and appreciate the time you took to express it.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Service Dog » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:00 pm  •  [Post 16103]

Kate Smurthwaite has blogged that her surname translates as "Rainy Twat". I guess it runs in the family.

Smurthwaite is one of those ban-the-lad-magazines censorship people:
http://cruellablog.blogspot.com/2005/10 ... -mags.html

Reasons she gives:

pictures of topless women are bad.

use of terms like "air bags" for breasts is bad.

allusions to sodomy are bad.

celebrities are interviewed about their sex lives, not other achievements.

"Every woman who leaves her home to work or socialise runs the risk of seeing these magazines every day."

"there is little or no mention of (1) contraception (2) STDs, (3) unwanted pregnancy or, heaven forbid, (4) responsibility for other's feelings int he context of relationships. So yes, on balance I would say that, as a feminist, I am VERY bothered by the latest generation of so-called "Lad Mags" "
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Guest » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:04 pm  •  [Post 16104]

bhoytony wrote:
It can be used as an insult, but you often hear it used as a term of affection ("How are you, you wee cunt?") or sometimes just meaning a person ("look at that cunt over there").


Interesting. With American eyes, I would have thought that was still an insult.

I will try to incorporate it as a non insulting generic in the comments in my code in place of "J. Random Loser". I'll try to start writing "J. Random Cunt" in an effort to detabooize it and help Ophelia reclaim it and take it back.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby ianfc » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:05 pm  •  [Post 16105]

I'm not too sure about this cunt stuff, is it ok to call a vagina a cunt; ie if there's no slur.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby yomomma » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:10 pm  •  [Post 16106]

Karmakin wrote:
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Tribble wrote:What keeps poor people in the poor people cycle is our social structure. We have, in America, the least mobile society in the West. And it's because of our Libertarian/Morality Police policies that are made as minimal as possible by Conservatives and their Libertarian cousins.


That's an absurd claim. How successful have fiscal Democrats/Liberals been in breaking the cycle of poverty?


Not very successful. But it actually has nothing to do with the business cycle (which is what we're talking about when we're talking about these issues).

It has nothing to do with welfare, or other social services.

What it has to do with is inflation.

To put it simply, in most Western countries the decision was made to stop economies using fiscal tools before they could reach full employment in order to hold wage inflation down. IMO Greenspan's decision to do that at the end of the Clinton presidency was the trigger for the economy up to today.

The best way to fight poverty without social welfare programs is to increase wages. But we've made the decision to hold wages down in order to fight inflation. As such, those social services are the PRICE of low inflation. Poverty is working as intended. People being unable to find decent paying full-time jobs is working as intended.

It's intentional. And yes, both the Democrats and Republicans are to blame, as well as an economic establishment that wouldn't know the proper elasticity of all sorts of things if it snapped back into their face as they're so out of touch with the real world...one based heavily around a service economy...and not still in the pre-globalization industrial world.

And that's the big problem right there. Economics as a whole hasn't realized that economies in the technological age vastly different than economies in the industrial age.


Thanks for that. I'm gonna go stick my head in the toilet now. :( <-- sad reality face
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby AndrewV69 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:15 pm  •  [Post 16107]

Aneris wrote:I suspect, the Commentariat is bleeding too much on that front since many very outspoken feminists use the word themselves, which caused many to end up on the block bot. Ophelia Benson certainly knows about it which would explain this maneuvre. Note how she tries to salvage (and rationalize) the previous ideology. As said before, their views always appear as zealous as they are flexible. If not working anymore to aggressively further a personal agenda, it can change.


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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Pitchguest » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:19 pm  •  [Post 16108]

Steersman wrote:
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Guest wrote:http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2013/10/one-thought-too-many/

http://i.imgur.com/S2Jnb00.jpg


Wait, what? Liberal use of the word "cunt" in a derogatory fashion to "belittle women and insult men" is only a healthy reaction when it's used in the right context by the right people?

What the fuck is she talking about?

I don’t think she said “use of cunt in a derogatory fashion is … only a healthy reaction”. I expect she is utilizing her “use-mention” concept, that it is ok to describe people using the word by saying they are using the word, to mention the word itself in stating that.

Seems to me that you might be reading in something there she didn’t mean, although I’ll concede that that might be due to some nuances of the language.

But I’ll also suggest that she might have a point or two – calling one or two women cunts, or one of two men pricks, or one or two black people niggers, might be excused on the basis of simply insulting someone – for a good reason or not. More frequent use of the words is likely to suggest some sexism or racism. IMHO.


No, Steers, she says, quite verbatim, "in the right context, by the right people", it's acceptable to use the word "cunt" to denigrate people. However, what's more is that she's saying liberal use of "cunt" is a *healthy reaction* if it's used against other people who use the word exactly in the way she prescribes, i.e. to belittle women or to "to insult men by comparing them to women's genitals." (I suppose Ophie just hates everyone then, when she constantly insults people by comparing them to anal orifices. Geez. Way to be clinical.)

The thing is, though, who decides who are "the right people"? Benson? Who decides who are the "bullies"? Since neither one of us presumably use the word "cunt" in the precise manner Ophie describes it's acceptable to call other people cunts in retaliation (belittlement, discrimination) then one can only draw the conclusion that we are "the right people" and thus have the right to several liberal uses of the word "cunt" respectively, yes?

But then at the same time we're supposed to be the baddies with skulls as teacups so does that mean we are the "bullies" after all?

Or is it we are just dealing with a massive hypocrite and we don't actually have to listen or adhere to one single word she's saying?

Yeah. That sounds about right.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby bhoytony » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:20 pm  •  [Post 16109]

Isn't there something the Advertising Standards Authority can do about Kate Smurthwaite calling herself a comedian? Has anybody ever heard her attempts at humour? She's about as funny as cancer.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Service Dog » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:25 pm  •  [Post 16110]

Aneris wrote:Ophelia doesn't use the word herself, though she now concedes that some people may use(!) it. Interesting. What happened to splash damage and all that? It boils down to what was suspected anyway: it was a token item to draw battle lines between people who accepted prerogative of interpretation of the Commentariat/SJW and those who didn't. An inverse shibboleth, so to speak.


Ophelia does use 'cunt' now, and credits that to Smurthwaite.

See Ophie's use of "cunt" in her July 15 post and the 2nd comment: http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... om-insult/

So, like you said, what happened to 'splash damage' and all that?
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Pitchguest » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:26 pm  •  [Post 16111]

Steersman wrote:
Gumby wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:
Wait, what? Liberal use of the word "cunt" in a derogatory fashion to "belittle women and insult men" is only a healthy reaction when it's used in the right context by the right people?

What the fuck is she talking about?


It's the standard FtB code of ethics:

"It's OK when we do it".

As mentioned or suggested, I think you're missing her point. She didn't call anybody a cunt - at least that I can see. All she is doing is pointing out that someone else is doing so - and mentioning the word in the process. Very different kettles of fish - methinks. Doesn't help "our" credibility, I think, to ignore that distinction.


No one is saying she called anyone a cunt, Steers.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby AndrewV69 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:26 pm  •  [Post 16112]

ERV wrote:I noticed with the Chronic Fatigue Syndrome folks-- It was incredible how active they were able to be online, despite their 'inability' to work. Dozens of Tweets a day, active on Facebook and special-interest forums, and look at Svan, able to organize posts full of meticulously screen-capped, uploaded, and organized Tweets from others, with commentary.

But work, no, work is simply too much for her to handle.

Also, ask my partner about my migraines. Ask. Ask how theyve been the past couple of months. You know what I cut back on instead of work? Blogging.

What a fucking loser.


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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby ThreeFlangedJavis » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:27 pm  •  [Post 16113]

Pitchguest wrote:
Guest wrote:http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2013/10/one-thought-too-many/

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Wait, what? Liberal use of the word "cunt" in a derogatory fashion to "belittle women and insult men" is only a healthy reaction when it's used in the right context by the right people?

What the fuck is she talking about?


Standard Ophelian wall of wrong. Assumes cunt is used as a sexist epithet, assumes motivation, draws analogies with physically harmful acts. Intellectually dishonest, inability to see anything except confirmation of her prejudices.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Brive1987 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:33 pm  •  [Post 16114]

katamari Damassi wrote:I use to be a regular listener to The Skeptic's Guide to the Universe, but got bored with it some months ago and stopped. Well I've been doing a lot of long distance driving lately and I've found that listening to podcasts passes the time better than listening to music, so I've been stocking up on a bunch-including SGU. I've actually been enjoying it again. If all I knew of Twatson was from SGU I'd actually have a decent opinion of her. The Novella's must have her on a short leash. In the latest podcast they interview sex therapist Marty Klein(whose voice I find distractingly sexy)who says a lot of things that would have SJW's screaming "GENDER ESSENTIALISM!" and "RAPE APOLOGY!" yet Rebecca keeps her mouth shut through the whole thing.
In the previous podcast they discuss PopSci's decision to close comments on their site, and though Bec's participates in the discussion I don't think she mentions that she will be blogging for them and she doesn't go into her usual internet harassment victimization spiel though the situation presents a golden opportunity to do so.


I think RW is only present for part of the show. She rarely contributes to the seperately recorded interviews (ie she has no potential to impress and everything to lose by opening her mouth) and I dont hear much evidence that she is present at many of them. When she is, she keeps to the "comic relief, let me reinforce your point with a banal anecdote" patter she has down pat.

Her overall contribution can be summarised as: This Day in Skepticism bit, where Steve has admonished her for dredging up obscure female references, snark and canned skepticism in the news items, a popsci for her prepared piece and then she trails off with the "I know nothing about any of these" line for fact or fiction. interviews with real scientists? Not so much.

A number of triggering topics and comments have occurred recently and RW tiptoed thru them like broken glass. She knows the SGU is the last connection she has to any form of "big time" within the community.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Southern » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:37 pm  •  [Post 16115]

Someone, please, call Dr. Hoggle to get a prescription for a good old cunt kick to Ophelia.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby free thoughtpolice » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:38 pm  •  [Post 16116]

Pitchguest wrote:
As mentioned or suggested, I think you're missing her point. She didn't call anybody a cunt - at least that I can see. All she is doing is pointing out that someone else is doing so - and mentioning the word in the process. Very different kettles of fish - methinks. Doesn't help "our" credibility, I think, to ignore that distinction.

No one is saying she called anyone a cunt, Steers.[/quote]

I thought you were when you said:
No, Steers, she says, quite verbatim, "in the right context, by the right people", it's acceptable to use the word "cunt" to denigrate people. However, what's more is that she's saying liberal use of "cunt" is a *healthy reaction* if it's used against other people who use the word exactly in the way she prescribes, i.e. to belittle women or to "to insult men by comparing them to women's genitals." (I suppose Ophie just hates everyone then, when she constantly insults people by comparing them to anal orifices. Geez. Way to be clinical.)
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Karmakin » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:38 pm  •  [Post 16117]

yomomma wrote:
Karmakin wrote:Not very successful. But it actually has nothing to do with the business cycle (which is what we're talking about when we're talking about these issues).

It has nothing to do with welfare, or other social services.

What it has to do with is inflation.

To put it simply, in most Western countries the decision was made to stop economies using fiscal tools before they could reach full employment in order to hold wage inflation down. IMO Greenspan's decision to do that at the end of the Clinton presidency was the trigger for the economy up to today.

The best way to fight poverty without social welfare programs is to increase wages. But we've made the decision to hold wages down in order to fight inflation. As such, those social services are the PRICE of low inflation. Poverty is working as intended. People being unable to find decent paying full-time jobs is working as intended.

It's intentional. And yes, both the Democrats and Republicans are to blame, as well as an economic establishment that wouldn't know the proper elasticity of all sorts of things if it snapped back into their face as they're so out of touch with the real world...one based heavily around a service economy...and not still in the pre-globalization industrial world.

And that's the big problem right there. Economics as a whole hasn't realized that economies in the technological age vastly different than economies in the industrial age.


Thanks for that. I'm gonna go stick my head in the toilet now. :( <-- sad reality face


Didn't mean to depress you too much :(

But unfortunately that is reality. I understand what you're saying. You work hard, and it's not fair that people get by without doing the same when you don't have that option. I understand it, and I feel it myself from time to time. The thing is, if you're coming at it from an ethical point of view, which obviously you are, that requires wanting everybody to succeed to some degree. However if we're actively working to prevent that, then the Libertarian boot-strap concept loses a lot of its ethical charm.

Like I said. I think the welfare state is a shitty option. But it might be the best option we have out of a whole hose of really shitty options. I happen to think that it's POSSIBLE to make a full-employment economy work. But it involves cultural change (delinking price and worth) and managerial change (the realization that at a certain point throwing more money at works is less effective than not being a dick)
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby ThreeFlangedJavis » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:38 pm  •  [Post 16118]

Steersman wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:
Guest wrote:http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2013/10/one-thought-too-many/

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Wait, what? Liberal use of the word "cunt" in a derogatory fashion to "belittle women and insult men" is only a healthy reaction when it's used in the right context by the right people?

What the fuck is she talking about?

I don’t think she said “use of cunt in a derogatory fashion is … only a healthy reaction”. I expect she is utilizing her “use-mention” concept, that it is ok to describe people using the word by saying they are using the word, to mention the word itself in stating that.

Seems to me that you might be reading in something there she didn’t mean, although I’ll concede that that might be due to some nuances of the language.

But I’ll also suggest that she might have a point or two – calling one or two women cunts, or one of two men pricks, or one or two black people niggers, might be excused on the basis of simply insulting someone – for a good reason or not. More frequent use of the words is likely to suggest some sexism or racism. IMHO.


If Benson is talking about "use-mention", then she picked a bad example. Perhaps you are also putting words in her mouth. I would suggest that when it comes to Benson she herself probably doesn't have a clear idea of what her muddled mewlings actually mean.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Brive1987 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:43 pm  •  [Post 16119]

Guest wrote:
Steersman wrote:As mentioned or suggested, I think you're missing her point. She didn't call anybody a cunt - at least that I can see. All she is doing is pointing out that someone else is doing so - and mentioning the word in the process. Very different kettles of fish - methinks. Doesn't help "our" credibility, I think, to ignore that distinction.


1. In the tweet she quoted, no one called anyone a cunt. They just use cunt liberally.

2. Just how does anyone use cunt either liberally or in the "right context by the right people" without using it as an insult? "Oh Oolon, I love your cunty bot!" "O PZ you squirt blog posts lie a cunt in May" "O PhysioProffe ye queynte is sweete" Can you provide an example to help me understand?


In Australia Cunt is used by many males as a term of endearment. "G'day, mate, yer old cunt, how'es it hanging?" And then a kangaroo jumps across the street to the laughing of a kookaburra.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Lsuoma » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:05 pm  •  [Post 16120]

Southern wrote:Someone, please, call Dr. Hoggle to get a prescription for a good old cunt kick to Ophelia.

Meh, he'd have to undergo sex change first - he only said he'd do it if he was a woman.
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