Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Karmakin wrote:Yeah I don't read Western comics because of the turn the medium took on the 90's.


Read a lot of manga however and not the kind that PZ likes. For example I'd highly recommend Full Metal Alchemist. Great story and pacing and done by a woman as well.

There are Western comics popular with women...for example The Walking Dead...the 90's art style is repulsive however the solution is not censorship or even change it is highlighting positive alternatives.
Manga's not significantly better, but there could be a lot of cultural stuff at work. I do however enjoy the hell out of early Ranma 1/2. That was slapstick gold.

And yeah, Star Blazers. Because fuck yeah, waking up at 6:30 am to hear that song before YEAH! FUCK THEM UP WITH THE WAVE MOTION GUN! was the tits.

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Brive1987 wrote:
Scented Nectar wrote:Truth. Well, it's true that I enjoy making fun of her. I rest my case. :D
Too late, I had already conceded. Now to continue this over a coffee, sugar or straight black? ;)
Freshly ground, strong, black, extra sweet, and served intravenously please. :)


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welch wrote:
Git wrote:
goddamn 'nym wrote: Git : "As someone who has a degree in, and spent 15 years as a commercial software programmer"

I don't even disagree with welch on that one but I can't help but highlight your argument from authority. Now lets get to comparing who has the biggest one.
Argument from experience more than argument from authority. I feel there's a difference.
(christ, someone get us pissed at each other this is getting weird.)

I didn't see Git as saying "I AM BLAH BLAH SO YOU MUST SAY I'M RIGHT!". I saw it as someone saying "I have a lot of experience here, and my experience agrees with what he is saying." Given how rarely Git and I agree on anything, I can see why he stated it that way.
Ah, not to belabour a point, but that was sort of the point I was trying to make - and that you were apparently getting rather apoplectic trying to deny, i.e., that experience does tend to count for something. Not that such experience is a guarantee, of course, particularly when you have several such in a pissing contest. Somewhat apropos, a passage from Leon Lederman's The God Particle in the context of Feynman's "Learn from science that you must doubt the experts":
But what is rarely understood by the lay public is how ready, how eager, how desperately the collective science community in a given discipline welcomes the intellectual iconoclast - if he or she has the goods.

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Sheesh - my kingdom for an edit button.

"... when you have several such experts in a pissing contest. ...."

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welch wrote:
Linus wrote:
welch wrote:
Yeah, you're one of them. Doesn't count unless it was perfectly quoted, and if a comma's out of place, doesn't count. Aka the Dave Chappelle R. Kelly standard of proof. Funny, given how you take other people to task about being hyperskeptical, you sure as hell do it when it suits you.

I'm willing to bet you don't actually see where Marc Antony is reaming Brutus in his famous speech, since he never actually says anything specifically bad about Brutus.
What the fuck. Are you sniffing glue right now? That is not a rhetorical question. I seriously want to know.

You're insisting I said something that I didn't say, even after I've repeatedly clarified that it's something I didn't say. What possible rebuttal (since you won't accept "no that is not what I was saying" for an answer) can I give other than challenging you to quote me? Who said anything about "perfectly quoted" or "if a comma's out of place it doesn't count". I just challenged you to quote me AT ALL.
What I'm asking is actually quite simple: is there a place for implication in your world, or are the literal meaning of the words sans context or anything else the only valid interpretation. because it seems pretty clear that the latter is all that matters to you. If there aren't specific words that say specific things, then it doesn't count.

That's why I bring up Antony's speech about Brutus. Really, at no time does he call Brutus a low-down murdering slimeball. Not directly. In fact, you really cannot quote any part of that speech where he says anything "bad" about brutus at all. But the implications are clear.

If you only count things in the most literal way possible, then just say so, and i'll stop even trying to communicate with you, because if that's the case, we're effectively speaking two different languages, and I have better things to do than try to talk to someone who wants everything to function like a programming language.
The answer to your question is yes and I have no idea why you would think otherwise.

I said quote where I made a legal argument. I didn't say "quote where I made a legal argument, and by the way implications don't count and I will take everything in the most literal way possible".

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Service Dog wrote:
bhoytony wrote:I can't say I'm convinced with this argument that women are not depicted realistically in comic books. As far as I can see the characters Sandra and Tracey (also known as San and Tray) look exactly like a lot of women who I had interesting conversations with at 2:00 AM when I was in my twenties.
Passes the The Bechdel Test, too!

http://davedevine.files.wordpress.com/2 ... -slags.jpg
A lot of comics do. Even the ones feminists think are sexist. But, you know, you have to actually read them to notice this.

Same goes for TV shows. I think the Bechdel Test must have been carefully tailored so that it would be useful only for movies, and then people would make the false conclusion that the test has value for other mediums. It doesn't. It's moderately useful for movies, but comics, video games (yeah, that's right) and TV shows really demonstrate that it's not hard to pass the test at all. Outside of movies. Not sure why movies have such a tough time of it.

I mean, going by the Bechdel Test, it's movies rather than games and comics that are so super sexist! Ban movies!

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bhoytony wrote:I can't say I'm convinced with this argument that women are not depicted realistically in comic books. As far as I can see the characters Sandra and Tracey (also known as San and Tray) look exactly like a lot of women who I had interesting conversations with at 2:00 AM when I was in my twenties.
I've been shamefully aroused by the Fat Slags comic strip many a time. I'm so sad.

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For decoding the message I was rewarded with "fuckoff".

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Scented Nectar wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
Scented Nectar wrote:Truth. Well, it's true that I enjoy making fun of her. I rest my case. :D
Too late, I had already conceded. Now to continue this over a coffee, sugar or straight black? ;)
Freshly ground, strong, black, extra sweet, and served intravenously please. :)
Ah, quality and quantity. You would have been low hanging fruit in Dublin. :dance:

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Tony Parsehole wrote:
bhoytony wrote:I can't say I'm convinced with this argument that women are not depicted realistically in comic books. As far as I can see the characters Sandra and Tracey (also known as San and Tray) look exactly like a lot of women who I had interesting conversations with at 2:00 AM when I was in my twenties.
I've been shamefully aroused by the Fat Slags comic strip many a time. I'm so sad.
Yes I picture you as Baz.

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Passes the The Bechdel Test, too!
A lot of comics do. Even the ones feminists think are sexist. But, you know, you have to actually read them to notice this.

Same goes for TV shows. I think the Bechdel Test must have been carefully tailored so that it would be useful only for movies, and then people would make the false conclusion that the test has value for other mediums. It doesn't. It's moderately useful for movies, but comics, video games (yeah, that's right) and TV shows really demonstrate that it's not hard to pass the test at all. Outside of movies. Not sure why movies have such a tough time of it.

I mean, going by the Bechdel Test, it's movies rather than games and comics that are so super sexist! Ban movies!

Alison Bechdel knows comics, that's not in doubt.
Feminists do tend to forget the "then just don't watch 'em" part, from her 1985 original:
http://www.amptoons.com/blog/wp-content ... l-test.png

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bhoytony wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:
bhoytony wrote:I can't say I'm convinced with this argument that women are not depicted realistically in comic books. As far as I can see the characters Sandra and Tracey (also known as San and Tray) look exactly like a lot of women who I had interesting conversations with at 2:00 AM when I was in my twenties.
I've been shamefully aroused by the Fat Slags comic strip many a time. I'm so sad.
Yes I picture you as Baz.
Baz? Get in! I'm quite chuffed you said that actually. I'd consider myself more of a Real Ale Twat than owt else.
I picture you as The Brown Bottle.

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Steersman wrote:Sheesh - my kingdom for an edit button.

"... when you have several such experts in a pissing contest. ...."
My kingdom for a separate thread for comic book discussions.

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welch wrote:
Walter Ego wrote:
Fucking tech geeks. STFU You're boring everyone.
Or what? You'll sue us with your new-found riches?
He's still tied up in pretend-time litigation with me... and the case is not over 'by a long shot'.
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yomomma wrote:
Tribble wrote:
It's not a 'pyramid scheme.' Keynesian economics (primarily) rely on TWO factors to regulate the economy:

1. Manipulation of Interest rates.
2. When interest rate manipulation can no longer function, (zero lower-boundary effect) debt-financed public works to be repaid during times of surplus through taxation. Nothing pyramid about that.

Also, Keynesian economic models work just as well in tiny Iceland as they do in the huge US.
It's a pyramid scheme in the way that it transfers wealth from some individuals to others in a much drastic way than we do currently. I believe it also influences inflation by determining how much money people are allowed to keep.

And in tiny Iceland, austerity measures have also been put in place.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/ ... 2O20120612

Tribble wrote:It was South America. Not South Africa. And the point is true. Friedman (and the Gang of Eight) got free reign to impliment their economic ideologies and destroyed Chile's economy. Their complete failure is one of the reasons I got away from the economic fairy-tales of my youth.
Oops, my bad. Yes, South America. Maybe that's why I had a hard time finding the articles I was looking for. Honestly, I don't know a lot about this and can't really speak intelligently on it. I don't know how similar it is to the Libertarian theories I admire today. I'd want to read an unbiased critique before I make a comment.
That's not a pyramid scheme. This is a pyramid scheme: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme Repeating the ignorant talking points of ignoramuses, no matter how it soothes the confirmation bias, isn't going to win you points.

So, just for the record, under Clinton and his Neo-Keynesian-influenced economic policies we were paying off our national debt.

I will also point out that Truman/Eisenhower/Kennedy/Johnson/Nixon/Ford/Carter all ran Neo-Keynesian polices. The national debt (as a percentage of GDP) also fell (or barely rose despite some nasty economic situations) under them as-well. So, since Keynes influenced our debt and economic policies, not only did we enjoy the greatest stability and wealth in our country, but every President in America (except for a brief bump-up during the very short Ford administration) until Ronald Reagan, made progress on that debt. And every one of them, until Reagan, was a Keynesian or Neo-Keynesian.

http://pollycle.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/debt2.gif

Further, had we continued his (Clinton's) tax and economic polices and paid-as-we-went on our wars, we'd be close to debt-free today. Under Clinton's last four years, we were running surpluses of up to $230+ billion and they were projected to get larger.

But Gore lost and we went back to people who prefer the failure economics/polices (Bush/Obama) that Reaganites, Libertarians and Conservatives tend to favor and we're pretty fucked on the debt issue. (Yes, Obama is quite the austerian/monetist at heart and he's definitely not any kind of Keynesian or Neo-Keynesian despite the Conservative/Libertarian hand-wringing.)

What I find strange is how people can consider themselves 'skeptical' and look at the data and polices and still endorse Libertarist/Conservative economic polices. I grew up in believing in them, as well as Jesus. I got over both because, clearly, both were wrong. And being a data/fact driven kind of guy, I've got to with the facts and data.

I'll be the first to admit Keynesian and Neo-Keynesian economics are not perfect. But at least they're mostly right and they do self-correct when the models break down. While the economics you seem to favor has a long and broad history of failure, in the west, in the second world, in the third world, for well over a hundred years. It's destroyed the economies of the US (the Great Depression which also effected Europe), Chile, Greece, Brazil, Spain, Ireland, and a host of other countries.

And despite this record of abject failure in the real-world, it's the same song-and dance for every situation -- tax cuts for the rich/austerity for the proles. Isn't 100+ years of failure of 'classic/Austrian/austerian' economics enough? If not, how many more decades of 'failure' can you accept until you can't put it (the failures) on ignore? Will it have to be personal and you have to watch your grandchildren live three-families to a house and aspire to be peons/pool boys, like what happened in Chile, before you can accept it? Because that's where your policies lead for significant swaths of a population, while only truly benefiting the top 1% of the same.

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welch wrote:
Linus wrote:
welch wrote: Oh bless your heart honey.
Would it kill you to concede a point?
WOuld it kill you to make one?
Okay, I'm going to spell it out really slowly. Petty as this may be, I am determined to get you to concede a point. Just because I would feel somewhat reassured to know that it is actually possible.


I said:
Linus wrote: He was in a position of authority over her. Have you ever had a boss who wanted you to do things that you didn't want to do that had nothing to do with your job? I have. It's a different dynamic.
Guest responded:
Guest wrote: <snip>

As I've said the stock feminist line, which this is, supports the notion that women are so fragile and need so much protection it is best they remain in the kitchen doing something safe like making sandwiches.
Note the "this" in "which this is" was a reference to my post specifically. As Guest confirmed here:
Guest wrote:I was the guest that directed that at you and I was saying the shit you are spouting is the stock feminist line regardless of what you think you are saying.
In other words Guest was saying that my post was the stock feminist line and that my post was supporting the notion that women are fragile and need protection.

So, I objected Guest's characterization of my post:
Linus wrote:Gender has nothing to do with it. And the remain in the kitchen making sandwiches thing is something you obviously pulled out of your ass.
After that is where you interjected with:
welch wrote:Oh for fuck's sake, are you another one of the "everything has to be a direct quote" tits too? There is a huge amount of feminists and feminist allies saying over and over that women are helpless against men. Greg Laden "YOU MUST CROSS THE STREET" shit? Yeah. That's just the low-hanging fruit.

Stop denying something just because you don't like it. I hate that shit, I think it hurts women more than anything else. Who the fuck benefits from being taught to be helpless. But if I deny it's there, what chance do I have of fixing it on any level?
Here you obviously interpreted my post as if I was denying that "feminists and feminist allies" do X, Y and Z. But in reality I was merely defending and clarifying my own post, not saying anything about what feminists do or don't do.

A simple misinterpretation. Understandable even. So now that it's laid out clearly, would you please acknowledge your misunderstanding?

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See the chart, the graph, the numbers!!! It's science!

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I picture you as The Brown Bottle.
I picture Bhoytony as the "What's yer name - MacFuck?" bloke in Withnail and I.
http://queen-of-outer-space.com/wdo1.jpg

OK, he's Irish, but there's something about his belligerence that reminds me of Tony.

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just fucking ignore the baboon already

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welch wrote: When you have people like Diane Duane, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Duane complaining, you begin to see how ludicrous the "it's just fake nerd girls" concept can be. People have actually called her a fake. Her husband, Peter Morwood is not thrilled with how women are even casually drawn in comics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Morwood I suppose he's a fake nerd girl too.

You don't have to look far to see how ridiculous it can get. What DC did to Starfire was honestly appalling, and I speak as someone who'd liked that character since she first appeared.
Just for you, welch. ;)

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Since the topic of crappy comic artists has come up, may I introduce you to Greg Land:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rzdB5a4kLAo/S ... nd_425.jpg
Rob Liefeld may have no grasp of human anatomy, but at least he draws his crappy art whereas Greg traces. He traces movie stills, porn, even other comic artists.

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Linus wrote:I have had a major malfunction


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Suet Cardigan wrote:
I picture you as The Brown Bottle.
I picture Bhoytony as the "What's yer name - MacFuck?" bloke in Withnail and I.
http://queen-of-outer-space.com/wdo1.jpg

OK, he's Irish, but there's something about his belligerence that reminds me of Tony.
Hehe, pretty good.

Is suet cardigan a Day Today name? It's a fucking disgusting image!

Parsehole I see as...well, Parsehole from Viz. Second to that, maybe Buster Gonad. Walter Ego is Suicidal Syd.

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Badger3k wrote: In other news, Steffy is begging for money, and Avicenna is saying something against Thunderf00t (not sure what, couldn't waste the minutes it would take to read his drivel). Ophie finds rape culture where most of us would find a kid connected to a politician gets out of trouble. Not sure about the rest of the article, but going to the "house they used to live in was burned down in mysterious circumstances) to suggest the townspeople burned it down in retaliation for reporting the rapes is a bit much (so far, it could change if I ever think it's worth looking into).
Peezus Christ on a crutch ... they're all medically "special," "unusual," and "rare." What are the chances that they all have (sometimes multiple) rare chronic conditions, unique drug reactions, unusual allergies and autoimmune disorders, etc. etc. And their special medical conditions require that they quit their jobs to get healthy again, and that means cyber-begging with their piteous stories. I've had a few co-workers who develop special chronic conditions and "disabilities" that require reduced working hours and duties for accommodation, yet somehow magically they're always healthy enough and have plenty of spoons to travel to Europe or Australia or ski resorts in the US and Canada to attend fun meetings and conferences.

Fuck that shit.

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Is suet cardigan a Day Today name? It's a fucking disgusting image!
Suet cardigan is an anagram of "Grade is a cunt", a subliminal message that appeared on an episode of Brass Eye. The cunt in question is Michael Grade.

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welch wrote:
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WTF -

He really did that! He really picked his foot at a conference and ate something off it. WTF?

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AndrewV69 wrote:
Tribble wrote: One daughter finds yaoi offensive and is prudish about it. The other has a small collection of yaoi (only because she's young and jobless) and quite enjoys it.
I had to look up Yaoi. *shrug* Just one more thing I do not "get". It does sound pretty harmless to me though.
It is. And nobody that doesn't like it gives a rat's ass about it, except when an obnoxious fangirl gets crazy. But, is there something that isn't ruined by obnoxious fans? Even bacon became an annoying meme.

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Tribble wrote:What keeps poor people in the poor people cycle is our social structure. We have, in America, the least mobile society in the West. And it's because of our Libertarian/Morality Police policies that are made as minimal as possible by Conservatives and their Libertarian cousins.
That's an absurd claim. How successful have fiscal Democrats/Liberals been in breaking the cycle of poverty?
Tribble wrote:And, as I said in post much later than the one you quoted, and possibly in the one you quoted, at one time I held your beliefs. I just got educated out of them because, while in college (and dual majoring in Economics and Accounting), I saw my monetist/Austrian beliefs were nothing more than fail-sauce and an excuse to be smug.

But thanks for playing.
I'm sorry that your Austrian beliefs gave you an excuse to be smug.

Yours is still just an opinion. Many Economists and Accountants have different opinions than you do. I'm sure there are plenty of people with dual Econ/Acct majors who also hold different opinions as well. It's still subjective as much of economic theory is an inexact science.

But thanks for playing.


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Southern wrote:
katamari Damassi wrote: No that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that if these creators would listen to a portion of their client base they could really expand it. Their current demographic of 15 year-old boys and 40 year-old men who stopped developing emotionally at 15 is not going to stop buying comics because Power Girl has big tits instead of ginormous tits, but with minor changes they could bring in legions of new fans. Instead they've created this "fake geek girl" boogeyman and circled the wagons against them. Besides making them look kind of dumb, it also makes them look like huge pussies.
So, if that's true, that there's an untapped market composed of not-15-year-old boys and not-40-year-old-man (neckbearded virgins that live in their basements, am I rite? eh? eh?), then I'm sure there are artists and studios exploring it. If there's money to be made on it, someone will make it.
You're right, that bit of snark on my part was uncalled for, so I take that back. I have friends who collect and read superhero comics, which is how I stay abreast of what's happening there.
I own a few of graphic novels including Persepolis parts 1&2, and most recently, Alan Moore's Neonomicon. Back in the 80's I had an original Watchmen, which I stupidly gave away.

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FrankGrimes wrote:Just dropping this off for anyone that might be interested. I hadn't seen it but it's very interesting, to me at least:

[youtube]FL1TZQIJgf4[/youtube]
Sorry to ask any of you to do something for me but I usually get my slyme on my kindle fire and I can't view whatever format this video is in. Would you all be so kind as to include a link to originals? I can view normal youtubes.
In anticipation of all the fuck offs I'll get, go fuck yourselves. Cheers.

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Wait, what? Liberal use of the word "cunt" in a derogatory fashion to "belittle women and insult men" is only a healthy reaction when it's used in the right context by the right people?

What the fuck is she talking about?

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Tony Parsehole wrote:
welch wrote:
Walter Ego wrote:
Fucking tech geeks. STFU You're boring everyone.
Or what? You'll sue us with your new-found riches?
I can't believe I've just read Walter Ego telling people to shut up because they're boring.
:lol:

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Pitchguest wrote: Wait, what? Liberal use of the word "cunt" in a derogatory fashion to "belittle women and insult men" is only a healthy reaction when it's used in the right context by the right people?

What the fuck is she talking about?
Once again, with Pruney, the snooty, imperious, hypocritical, snobbish Victorian grand dame comes to the fore.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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guestinavest wrote:
FrankGrimes wrote:Just dropping this off for anyone that might be interested. I hadn't seen it but it's very interesting, to me at least:

[youtube]FL1TZQIJgf4[/youtube]
Sorry to ask any of you to do something for me but I usually get my slyme on my kindle fire and I can't view whatever format this video is in. Would you all be so kind as to include a link to originals? I can view normal youtubes.
In anticipation of all the fuck offs I'll get, go fuck yourselves. Cheers.
Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... L1TZQIJgf4

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guestinavest wrote:
FrankGrimes wrote:Just dropping this off for anyone that might be interested. I hadn't seen it but it's very interesting, to me at least:

[youbtube]FL1TZQIJgf4[/youbtube]
Sorry to ask any of you to do something for me but I usually get my slyme on my kindle fire and I can't view whatever format this video is in. Would you all be so kind as to include a link to originals? I can view normal youtubes.
In anticipation of all the fuck offs I'll get, go fuck yourselves. Cheers.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Tribble wrote: I'll be the first to admit Keynesian and Neo-Keynesian economics are not perfect. But at least they're mostly right and they do self-correct when the models break down. While the economics you seem to favor has a long and broad history of failure, in the west, in the second world, in the third world, for well over a hundred years. It's destroyed the economies of the US (the Great Depression which also effected Europe), Chile, Greece, Brazil, Spain, Ireland, and a host of other countries.
What are you talking about? Current day Greece wasn't destroyed by a free market/fiscally conservative system.

Further, some would argue that our recent financial bubbles were products of Keynesian type policies.
Tribble wrote:And despite this record of abject failure in the real-world, it's the same song-and dance for every situation -- tax cuts for the rich/austerity for the proles. Isn't 100+ years of failure of 'classic/Austrian/austerian' economics enough? If not, how many more decades of 'failure' can you accept until you can't put it (the failures) on ignore? Will it have to be personal and you have to watch your grandchildren live three-families to a house and aspire to be peons/pool boys, like what happened in Chile, before you can accept it? Because that's where your policies lead for significant swaths of a population, while only truly benefiting the top 1% of the same.
"Your policies".

Hahahaha.

That's funny.

Like I've ever said that I believe in a 100% free market. I've already said that I'm not a purist Libertarian. I do believe however, that the middle class is taxed way too much and that the super wealthy (the 1%) are not taxed enough. Obviously allowing them to hold onto their money does nothing unless they're forced to invest it, which they should be IMO or given a reoccurring penalty on excess cash over a certain amount. Right now, none of that money is going into the economy. It's going into the stock market where the 1% keeps making more money that they continue to keep.

But I also think that printing money, along with taxation over 50% is not something I believe in on principal or logic. I realize that economics is complex and I admit I don't know everything, far from it, but I also believe that government often times gets in the way of prosperity, innovation and production as well.

Also, I think it's really hard to do an apples to apples comparison between a Clinton economy and the current economy. We were living in a different time then, plus, Clinton was a small d Democrat IMO.

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Service Dog wrote:
Passes the The Bechdel Test, too!
A lot of comics do. Even the ones feminists think are sexist. But, you know, you have to actually read them to notice this.

Same goes for TV shows. I think the Bechdel Test must have been carefully tailored so that it would be useful only for movies, and then people would make the false conclusion that the test has value for other mediums. It doesn't. It's moderately useful for movies, but comics, video games (yeah, that's right) and TV shows really demonstrate that it's not hard to pass the test at all. Outside of movies. Not sure why movies have such a tough time of it.

I mean, going by the Bechdel Test, it's movies rather than games and comics that are so super sexist! Ban movies!

Alison Bechdel knows comics, that's not in doubt.
Feminists do tend to forget the "then just don't watch 'em" part, from her 1985 original:
http://www.amptoons.com/blog/wp-content ... l-test.png
Years ago when I lived in DC, I used to read Bechdel's, Dykes to Watch Out For, in the Washington Blade. It was really good. Of course it was focused on the female leads, but the male characters-though peripheral to the major plotlines-were fully realized with their own personalities and not merely symbolic foils for the women characters to conflict with or for the author to demonstrate feminist propaganda through.

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Bourne Skeptic wrote:
guestinavest wrote:
FrankGrimes wrote:Just dropping this off for anyone that might be interested. I hadn't seen it but it's very interesting, to me at least:

[youtube]FL1TZQIJgf4[/youtube]
Sorry to ask any of you to do something for me but I usually get my slyme on my kindle fire and I can't view whatever format this video is in. Would you all be so kind as to include a link to originals? I can view normal youtubes.
In anticipation of all the fuck offs I'll get, go fuck yourselves. Cheers.
Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... L1TZQIJgf4
Also: rape yourself anally with a rusty Spokesgay.

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bhoytony wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:
bhoytony wrote:I can't say I'm convinced with this argument that women are not depicted realistically in comic books. As far as I can see the characters Sandra and Tracey (also known as San and Tray) look exactly like a lot of women who I had interesting conversations with at 2:00 AM when I was in my twenties.
I've been shamefully aroused by the Fat Slags comic strip many a time. I'm so sad.
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Pitchguest wrote:
Wait, what? Liberal use of the word "cunt" in a derogatory fashion to "belittle women and insult men" is only a healthy reaction when it's used in the right context by the right people?

What the fuck is she talking about?
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Once again, with Pruney, the snooty, imperious, hypocritical, snobbish Victorian grand dame comes to the fore.
That sums her up perfectly.
On the original ERB slimepit, Ophie made this comment:
"Yes, but it wasn't a matter of saying something; it was scolding me as if I were the scullery maid"
Someone talked to her as though she was a working class person! The horror!

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Pitchguest wrote:
Wait, what? Liberal use of the word "cunt" in a derogatory fashion to "belittle women and insult men" is only a healthy reaction when it's used in the right context by the right people?

What the fuck is she talking about?
I don’t think she said “use of cunt in a derogatory fashion is … only a healthy reaction”. I expect she is utilizing her “use-mention” concept, that it is ok to describe people using the word by saying they are using the word, to mention the word itself in stating that.

Seems to me that you might be reading in something there she didn’t mean, although I’ll concede that that might be due to some nuances of the language.

But I’ll also suggest that she might have a point or two – calling one or two women cunts, or one of two men pricks, or one or two black people niggers, might be excused on the basis of simply insulting someone – for a good reason or not. More frequent use of the words is likely to suggest some sexism or racism. IMHO.

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Pitchguest wrote:
Wait, what? Liberal use of the word "cunt" in a derogatory fashion to "belittle women and insult men" is only a healthy reaction when it's used in the right context by the right people?

What the fuck is she talking about?
It's the standard FtB code of ethics:

"It's OK when we do it".

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:)
But, uhm, is that a "blast from the past" or is that supposed to be relevant or related to some recent comments of mine?


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Suet Cardigan wrote:
Once again, with Pruney, the snooty, imperious, hypocritical, snobbish Victorian grand dame comes to the fore.
That sums her up perfectly.
On the original ERB slimepit, Ophie made this comment:
"Yes, but it wasn't a matter of saying something; it was scolding me as if I were the scullery maid"
Someone talked to her as though she was a working class person! The horror!
Sounds about right. This is the same person who moaned that she once had to sit in the same bus as smelly people, and the same person who was furious that someone on the plane she was flying to a conference in Dublin was coughing due to a cold. How dare you assault me with your odor and/or germs, you miserable little common people?!? Don't you people know who I am? I'm Ophelia Benson, dammit!

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Gumby wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:
Wait, what? Liberal use of the word "cunt" in a derogatory fashion to "belittle women and insult men" is only a healthy reaction when it's used in the right context by the right people?

What the fuck is she talking about?
It's the standard FtB code of ethics:

"It's OK when we do it".
As mentioned or suggested, I think you're missing her point. She didn't call anybody a cunt - at least that I can see. All she is doing is pointing out that someone else is doing so - and mentioning the word in the process. Very different kettles of fish - methinks. Doesn't help "our" credibility, I think, to ignore that distinction.

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I use to be a regular listener to The Skeptic's Guide to the Universe, but got bored with it some months ago and stopped. Well I've been doing a lot of long distance driving lately and I've found that listening to podcasts passes the time better than listening to music, so I've been stocking up on a bunch-including SGU. I've actually been enjoying it again. If all I knew of Twatson was from SGU I'd actually have a decent opinion of her. The Novella's must have her on a short leash. In the latest podcast they interview sex therapist Marty Klein(whose voice I find distractingly sexy)who says a lot of things that would have SJW's screaming "GENDER ESSENTIALISM!" and "RAPE APOLOGY!" yet Rebecca keeps her mouth shut through the whole thing.
In the previous podcast they discuss PopSci's decision to close comments on their site, and though Bec's participates in the discussion I don't think she mentions that she will be blogging for them and she doesn't go into her usual internet harassment victimization spiel though the situation presents a golden opportunity to do so.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Steersman wrote:
:)
But, uhm, is that a "blast from the past" or is that supposed to be relevant or related to some recent comments of mine?
Such is the nature of the present Pit converstaion - to wit: Pitters who resemble, in their online actions and interactions, characters oft featured in the well known British humour periodical, 'Viz' - that one can safely deduct that I am presenting a statement that you resemble, in the context of present discourse, the aforementioned 'Mr Logic'.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

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Tigzy wrote:
Steersman wrote:
:)
But, uhm, is that a "blast from the past" or is that supposed to be relevant or related to some recent comments of mine?
Such is the nature of the present Pit converstaion - to wit: Pitters who resemble, in their online actions and interactions, characters oft featured in the well known British humour periodical, 'Viz' - that one can safely deduct that I am presenting a statement that you resemble, in the context of present discourse, the aforementioned 'Mr Logic'.
Yes, I kind of gathered you were suggesting a resemblance. I was merely wondering whether you were referring to anything in particular.

But, out of curiosity and in passing, how did you happen to acquire your interest and facility with the ancient accent? I think you mentioned an interest in Samuel Pepys, but it seems it would have to have been more than that.

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Tigzy wrote:
Steersman wrote:
:)
But, uhm, is that a "blast from the past" or is that supposed to be relevant or related to some recent comments of mine?
Such is the nature of the present Pit converstaion - to wit: Pitters who resemble, in their online actions and interactions, characters oft featured in the well known British humour periodical, 'Viz' - that one can safely deduct that I am presenting a statement that you resemble, in the context of present discourse, the aforementioned 'Mr Logic'.
FTW!

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Steersman wrote: As mentioned or suggested, I think you're missing her point. She didn't call anybody a cunt - at least that I can see. All she is doing is pointing out that someone else is doing so - and mentioning the word in the process. Very different kettles of fish - methinks. Doesn't help "our" credibility, I think, to ignore that distinction.
"Actually I too think liberal use of the word cunt, in the right context by the right people, is a healthy reaction to people who use it as an epithet to degrade and belittle women or to insult men by comparing them to women’s genitalia. Kate Smurthwaite convinced me of that when I saw her perform in Dublin. But “liberal use” as an epithet by bullies is another matter."

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Steersman wrote: As mentioned or suggested, I think you're missing her point. She didn't call anybody a cunt - at least that I can see. All she is doing is pointing out that someone else is doing so - and mentioning the word in the process. Very different kettles of fish - methinks. Doesn't help "our" credibility, I think, to ignore that distinction.
1. In the tweet she quoted, no one called anyone a cunt. They just use cunt liberally.

2. Just how does anyone use cunt either liberally or in the "right context by the right people" without using it as an insult? "Oh Oolon, I love your cunty bot!" "O PZ you squirt blog posts lie a cunt in May" "O PhysioProffe ye queynte is sweete" Can you provide an example to help me understand?

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Steersman wrote:
Tigzy wrote:
Steersman wrote: :)
But, uhm, is that a "blast from the past" or is that supposed to be relevant or related to some recent comments of mine?
Such is the nature of the present Pit converstaion - to wit: Pitters who resemble, in their online actions and interactions, characters oft featured in the well known British humour periodical, 'Viz' - that one can safely deduct that I am presenting a statement that you resemble, in the context of present discourse, the aforementioned 'Mr Logic'.
Yes, I kind of gathered you were suggesting a resemblance. I was merely wondering whether you were referring to anything in particular.

But, out of curiosity and in passing, how did you happen to acquire your interest and facility with the ancient accent? I think you mentioned an interest in Samuel Pepys, but it seems it would have to have been more than that.
Steers, what the fuck are you talking about?

That's a parody of how YOU speak!

Just like Mr Logic does.

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I'm nearly pissing myself laughing at the fact that Steersman doesn't get it, and is responding in exactly the way Mr Logic would. :lol:

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