Bleeding from the Bunghole

Continuation of the post at Abbie Smith's ERV blog (http://scienceblogs.com/erv/)

Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Tony Parsehole » Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:53 am  •  [Post 4486]

James Caruthers wrote:Okay, I'm relatively new to these FTB posters or whatever, but it seems like every time Oolon posts anything, it's a deliberately dishonest attempt to wind up the FTB audience. More of this "identify the enemy" bullshit that you see in ideological movements/cults.

I've been checking Sanderson's twitter and haven't found anything that would indicate an "original post" from him accusing anyone of rape, just the link posted here that shows Oolon saying that.

So did Oolon fabricate the entire story, and then Sanderson was dumb enough to repeat it on Twitter, making him fair game?

I generally try to ignore commenting on anything Oolon says or does because it seems like he gets off on attention and has no problem lying when the results put more people on his side.

Massive threatto the Slymepit as an A+ person who is a wonderful activist with a lot of good results

I did laugh at this though. Oh no, a person who believes something I disagree with is out there doing good things! Somebody stop him!


All you need to know about Oolon is:
1) He would lie about the time of day.
2) He's as thick as pigshit.
3) Sometime during his life he was cursed by a gypsy and is now compelled to mention "The Slymepit" at least once, every time he writes something online. She also made him allergic to soap.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Ericb » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:00 am  •  [Post 4487]

Tony Parsehole wrote:
James Caruthers wrote:Okay, I'm relatively new to these FTB posters or whatever, but it seems like every time Oolon posts anything, it's a deliberately dishonest attempt to wind up the FTB audience. More of this "identify the enemy" bullshit that you see in ideological movements/cults.

I've been checking Sanderson's twitter and haven't found anything that would indicate an "original post" from him accusing anyone of rape, just the link posted here that shows Oolon saying that.

So did Oolon fabricate the entire story, and then Sanderson was dumb enough to repeat it on Twitter, making him fair game?

I generally try to ignore commenting on anything Oolon says or does because it seems like he gets off on attention and has no problem lying when the results put more people on his side.

Massive threatto the Slymepit as an A+ person who is a wonderful activist with a lot of good results

I did laugh at this though. Oh no, a person who believes something I disagree with is out there doing good things! Somebody stop him!


All you need to know about Oolon is:
1) He would lie about the time of day.
2) He's as thick as pigshit.
3) Sometime during his life he was cursed by a gypsy and is now compelled to mention "The Slymepit" at least once, every time he writes something online. She also made him allergic to soap.


He also looks a little bit like Bizzaro Hannibal Lector

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby ERV » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:02 am  •  [Post 4488]

Tony Parsehole wrote:So it's went from Shermer practically pouring wine down a woman's throat to him putting £500 behind the bar and saying "drinks are on me".

*facepalm*

It is customary for the Aboves to buy drinks for the Belows. Even at professional science meetings, Big Names will buy dinner/drinks for Assistant/Associate profs, who will do the same for post-docs/grad students.

I have said this before, when I speak at conferences, my expenses are covered + get paid. So I buy a round for whoever Im talking with now and then. When I have gone as 'just' an attendee, other speakers have done the same.

Its a standard occurrence.

But thats the way these idiots roll, isnt it? Take a normal, standard, human interaction, and turn it into 'HE TOTALLY WAS GONNA RAEP MEH!!!'

"Would you like some coffee?"--> RAEP!
"You dropped the food tongs. Naughty girl."--> RAEP!!
"This rounds on me!"--> RAEP!!!
"Hello! How are you enjoying the conference?"-->RAEP!!!!

NO ONE WANTS TO FUCK YOU. NO ONE. NO ONE.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Tony Parsehole » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:05 am  •  [Post 4489]

Ape+lust wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:So now Oolon is saying that false rape allegations *do* exist but it's only the Slymepit who make them and he doesn't need evidence to back up that claim because the Pit has a supposedly bad reputation?

Oh, Oolon. You'd find a way to embarrass yourself at your own funeral.


Where does he work? I don't want to dox him, I want to fuck off on the internet for a paycheck.

I know, right? I think I'm bad for mucking about on the net all day but Ooly is everywhere!
I'd ask his wife how she feels about it all but Oolon hasn't told her what her opinion is yet.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Tony Parsehole » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:07 am  •  [Post 4490]

Ericb wrote:
He also looks a little bit like Bizzaro Hannibal Lector



He looks like something Jim Henson forgot to create.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Gefan » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:08 am  •  [Post 4491]

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Y'all know that Blind Lemon Jefferson actually wrote Sk8er Boi?


With a screwdriver, as a matter of fact.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby another lurker » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:09 am  •  [Post 4492]

Tony Parsehole wrote:
Ericb wrote:
He also looks a little bit like Bizzaro Hannibal Lector



He looks like something Jim Henson forgot to create.


Gumby can never be forgiven for that monstrosity of an avatar :P
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Gumby » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:11 am  •  [Post 4493]

another lurker wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:
Ericb wrote:
He also looks a little bit like Bizzaro Hannibal Lector



He looks like something Jim Henson forgot to create.


Gumby can never be forgiven for that monstrosity of an avatar :P


Keep it up and I'll turn it into an animated gif where the drool slides endlessly from his lip!!! :evil:
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby deLurch » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:13 am  •  [Post 4494]

ERV wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:So it's went from Shermer practically pouring wine down a woman's throat to him putting £500 behind the bar and saying "drinks are on me".

*facepalm*

It is customary for the Aboves to buy drinks for the Belows. Even at professional science meetings, Big Names will buy dinner/drinks for Assistant/Associate profs, who will do the same for post-docs/grad students.

I have said this before, when I speak at conferences, my expenses are covered + get paid. So I buy a round for whoever Im talking with now and then. When I have gone as 'just' an attendee, other speakers have done the same.

Its a standard occurrence.

But thats the way these idiots roll, isnt it? Take a normal, standard, human interaction, and turn it into 'HE TOTALLY WAS GONNA RAEP MEH!!!'

It's normal for me to buy my friends a round of drinks every now and then. Or even drinks for the night if I know my friend is in a poor financial situation.

As word of this gets around, I suspect the normal bunch of alcoholics at these conferences may start to notice that there are fewer and fewer people willing to risk buying them drinks anymore. And for those who thrive on their small pond celebrity status, it might be a difficult adjustment to how they are used to being treated.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby another lurker » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:16 am  •  [Post 4495]

All this talk of kilts, I'll just leave this here:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062782/?ref_=fn_al_tt_6

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby James Caruthers » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:16 am  •  [Post 4496]

http://freethoughtblogs.com/amilliongod ... /#comments

I was going to give some sort of response either here or on FTB, but just... Just read the latest post. :popcorn:
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Tony Parsehole » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:16 am  •  [Post 4497]

ERV wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:So it's went from Shermer practically pouring wine down a woman's throat to him putting £500 behind the bar and saying "drinks are on me".

*facepalm*

It is customary for the Aboves to buy drinks for the Belows. Even at professional science meetings, Big Names will buy dinner/drinks for Assistant/Associate profs, who will do the same for post-docs/grad students.

I have said this before, when I speak at conferences, my expenses are covered + get paid. So I buy a round for whoever Im talking with now and then. When I have gone as 'just' an attendee, other speakers have done the same.

Its a standard occurrence.

But thats the way these idiots roll, isnt it? Take a normal, standard, human interaction, and turn it into 'HE TOTALLY WAS GONNA RAEP MEH!!!'

"Would you like some coffee?"--> RAEP!
"You dropped the food tongs. Naughty girl."--> RAEP!!
"This rounds on me!"--> RAEP!!!
"Hello! How are you enjoying the conference?"-->RAEP!!!!

NO ONE WANTS TO FUCK YOU. NO ONE. NO ONE.


They're only moaning about rape all the time so they can delude themselves that somebody wants to fuck them.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Dick Strawkins » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:17 am  •  [Post 4498]

oolon splutters away, finally providing a solid claim about the dastardly deeds of the slymepit.

When you meet someone saying PZ endorsed tentacle rape porn on his blog, it comes from the pit.


Well, you know what, he's right.

I'll quote the entire post from June 20th, where this shocking claim originated.

Dick Strawkins wrote:This is all too much.
Lets bring the FTB patriarch back to set things straight.

PZ, is there anything you'd like to say to set our mind at ease.
We're beginning to see misogynists everywhere!

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mmmmm...OKaaay...

So the kind of people who promote tentacle rape porn are criminally sexist.

Got it.

Finally we have a standard upon which we can base our determinations of who is sexist and who is not.

Thanks PZ, you've been a great help!


....wait a second.....

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Let's see if we can get that link working......

There, that should do it.

It does appear to be somewhat NSFW, doesn't it.

http://web.archive.org/web/20070716070824/http://sexe-aka.blogspot.com/2006_10_01_archive.html


And if we scroll to the story you recommend we get...

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:shock:

Peezus Christ!

Hentai Tentacle Rape porn!

Promoted by PZ Myers!

I think I need a lie down.

Where's my couch, I feel faint! :sad-pacing:

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby ERV » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:18 am  •  [Post 4499]

Wait-- Wait--

Lets play Sherlock with some publicly available information. I was reading this article on a Cory Fieldman orgy, and I got an idea.

I look over at Corey fucking the hotter blonde and try to cut in. I want him. He’s like a trophy, or a souvenir. I start kissing him, but he sort of ignores me and goes back to the hotter girl. A minute later he stops having sex—not to hook up with me, but to take a hit of nitrous. I feel seriously unattractive. I want him to want me. But he just doesn’t. The coke is wearing off and I don’t have any more. All they have is ecstasy and that’s not my thing. All of these insecure girl thoughts go through my head: I shouldn’t have eaten at all this week. Why didn’t I flat iron my hair better? Why doesn’t he want me? I am so fucked up.



1-- "The anonymous woman who wrote to you is known to me, and in fact I was in her presence immediately after said incident (she was extremely distraught)..."

2-- Shermer is fighting these claims, and if what Loftus says is accurate, confidently.


Why would someone who was just with Shermer, 'privately' be upset?

It could be that she was raepd.

Or it could be that she just tried to seduce a known man-slut... and he turned her down.

Two of the most vindictive, 'I WILL DESTROY YOU' people I have encountered were women I turned down. Guys are used to getting turned down. Self professed hot girls are not. They get PISSED.

Maybe Shermer is confidently fighting these claims because not only did raep not happen-- Sex didnt happen.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby ThePrussian » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:19 am  •  [Post 4500]

Dick Strawkins wrote:oolon splutters away, finally providing a solid claim about the dastardly deeds of the slymepit.

When you meet someone saying PZ endorsed tentacle rape porn on his blog, it comes from the pit.


Well, you know what, he's right.

I'll quote the entire post from June 20th, where this shocking claim originated.

Dick Strawkins wrote:This is all too much.
Lets bring the FTB patriarch back to set things straight.

PZ, is there anything you'd like to say to set our mind at ease.
We're beginning to see misogynists everywhere!

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mmmmm...OKaaay...

So the kind of people who promote tentacle rape porn are criminally sexist.

Got it.

Finally we have a standard upon which we can base our determinations of who is sexist and who is not.

Thanks PZ, you've been a great help!


....wait a second.....

Image


Let's see if we can get that link working......

There, that should do it.

It does appear to be somewhat NSFW, doesn't it.

http://web.archive.org/web/20070716070824/http://sexe-aka.blogspot.com/2006_10_01_archive.html


And if we scroll to the story you recommend we get...

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:shock:

Peezus Christ!

Hentai Tentacle Rape porn!

Promoted by PZ Myers!

I think I need a lie down.

Where's my couch, I feel faint! :sad-pacing:



Good God, is that real? I knew Myers was twisted, but is that real?
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Darren » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:20 am  •  [Post 4501]

Tony Parsehole wrote:So it's went from Shermer practically pouring wine down a woman's throat to him putting £500 behind the bar and saying "drinks are on me".

*facepalm*


So... Woman gets wasted, acts like a tit, is embarrassed about it later so fuck it, it must be all someone else's fault.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Tony Parsehole » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:20 am  •  [Post 4502]

Has Oolon been caught bullshitting again? I can't wait for the SJW's to call him out on it! Any minute now.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby ccdimage » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:26 am  •  [Post 4503]

deLurch wrote:As word of this gets around, I suspect the normal bunch of alcoholics at these conferences may start to notice that there are fewer and fewer people willing to risk buying them drinks anymore. And for those who thrive on their small pond celebrity status, it might be a difficult adjustment to how they are used to being treated.

I have a solution.
The free drinks at conferences should be for men only.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby jjbinx007 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:27 am  •  [Post 4504]

As we know, Elevatorgate is using Storify "To collate public tweets. Particularly to collate evidence of wrong doings, for example, violent rhetoric."

EG goes on to say: "I collect tweets from a wide variety of people, including people who I follow, and follow me back on twitter. Funny conversations. Interesting conversations etc. There is no focused effort to “taunt” specific women. Some may appear in more stories than others, but that’s because they tweet a lot and are central figures in the communities they represent. They are publishing their views publicly. Just like any other medium, they can’t expect not to be commented on in a public space."


Obviously this has upset the SJWs very much, because collating (often without comment) public tweets from people is pretty much patriarchal misogynistic mind rape, or something. Aratina Cage has been having a chat with AmbrosiaX on Twitter today and Aratina accused EG of being a liar and a stalker. Ambrosia asked him to back up those claims with evidence. He could not. He then said this:



Isn't that just beautiful?

Here it is in context if you want to see the thread: https://twitter.com/aratina/status/372587324183285760
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Dick Strawkins » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:32 am  •  [Post 4505]

ThePrussian wrote:
Good God, is that real? I knew Myers was twisted, but is that real?


It is entirely real.
I was a fan of Pharyngula since even before it moved to scienceblogs and I remember being shocked by that post at the time.

Obviously PZ keeps quiet about it now - but at the time he was clearly promoting this type of fetish pornographic material as a positive thing.

And yes, the actual title, on the picture is "hentai tentacle rape"

I guess you could say each to his own, but it does seem wildly at variance with his current radfem leanings to be endorsing what is clearly rape porn - and many of the pictures are not simply drawings, but are women photographed in extremely degrading (to a feminist eye) positions.

And that's not even to mention the fact that the blog where he found this material hosts some of the dodgiest porn you'll find this side of oolons hard drive - probably the reason why it was closed down (you can still find some pages cached on the wayback machine, which is how I was able to retrieve that post.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby another lurker » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:38 am  •  [Post 4506]

Dick Strawkins wrote:oolon splutters away, finally providing a solid claim about the dastardly deeds of the slymepit.

When you meet someone saying PZ endorsed tentacle rape porn on his blog, it comes from the pit.


Well, you know what, he's right.

I'll quote the entire post from June 20th, where this shocking claim originated.

Dick Strawkins wrote:This is all too much.
Lets bring the FTB patriarch back to set things straight.

PZ, is there anything you'd like to say to set our mind at ease.
We're beginning to see misogynists everywhere!

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p60 ... 0ba3b1.png


mmmmm...OKaaay...

So the kind of people who promote tentacle rape porn are criminally sexist.

Got it.

Finally we have a standard upon which we can base our determinations of who is sexist and who is not.

Thanks PZ, you've been a great help!


....wait a second.....

http://i.imgur.com/dSyehmK.jpg


Let's see if we can get that link working......

There, that should do it.

It does appear to be somewhat NSFW, doesn't it.

http://web.archive.org/web/20070716070824/http://sexe-aka.blogspot.com/2006_10_01_archive.html


And if we scroll to the story you recommend we get...

http://i.imgur.com/gx5VeQQ.jpg

:shock:

Peezus Christ!

Hentai Tentacle Rape porn!

Promoted by PZ Myers!

I think I need a lie down.

Where's my couch, I feel faint! :sad-pacing:



Technically, oolon can still argue that everything he has said is 'true'. After all, it's the 'pits *interpretation* that's wrong, not PZ ! We are just misinterpreting 'biodiversity' to read as an 'endorsement of tentacle rape'. These fuckers are so disingenuous that it just leaves one going 'wuhh?'
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Aneris » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:44 am  •  [Post 4507]

Dick Strawkins wrote:
ThePrussian wrote:
Good God, is that real? I knew Myers was twisted, but is that real?


It is entirely real.
I was a fan of Pharyngula since even before it moved to scienceblogs and I remember being shocked by that post at the time.

Obviously PZ keeps quiet about it now - but at the time he was clearly promoting this type of fetish pornographic material as a positive thing.

And yes, the actual title, on the picture is "hentai tentacle rape"

I guess you could say each to his own, but it does seem wildly at variance with his current radfem leanings to be endorsing what is clearly rape porn - and many of the pictures are not simply drawings, but are women photographed in extremely degrading (to a feminist eye) positions.

And that's not even to mention the fact that the blog where he found this material hosts some of the dodgiest porn you'll find this side of oolons hard drive - probably the reason why it was closed down (you can still find some pages cached on the wayback machine, which is how I was able to retrieve that post.


Welcome to our side of things ThePrussian. You see, as it turns out that some FTB opinion leaders once were accused of rape (Jason Thibeault and PZ Myers have confessed it themselves), seem to like rapey stuff as seen here, and in fact have now found an excuse to immerse themselves completely in “Rape Culture”. But you know, the official version is of course completely inverted. Everything they are, and it's extreme in my book, gets turned around 180° and for a complete weird reason actually believed by quite a lot of people outside. I still don't know what to make of it and wonder if this is some sort of elaborated joke.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Mykeru » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:49 am  •  [Post 4508]

Gefan wrote:It's almost as if certain people who are used to plotting through back channels, have not yet figured out that, in a lawsuit records can be subpoenaed and people can be deposed under oath.
Way back in the upper Cretaceous period of all this nonsense a certain someone observed that sooner or later the baboons would overreach, a civil suit would be filed over something and then all sorts of amazing stuff would come to light.
When the light is finally shone into the darker corners of baboondom all sorts of scurrying will ensue.


I'm going to re-rant a favorite theme of mine regarding These Fucking Losers™.

The reason they haven't figured that out is because it hasn't occurred to them. They are completely divested from reality in a fundamental way: They've forgotten that they are dealing with actual real, live human beings that exist as meat in three-dimensional space. Seriously, I don't mean that as a metaphor. They are in the business of typing at things as if they are playing an old text-based MMORPG. They get to go on quests for social justice, kill trolls and cast their magic spells. You can even guess the characters they imagine themselves to be: P.Z. Myers, although some sort of half-dwarf fancies himself to be Peezus, wielder of the mighty ban hammer. Rebecca Watson, the blue-haired Elven Princess whose avatar is girlish, 15 years younger and 40 lbs lighter and Ophelia Benson, the wizened Magic user who rushes into rooms like Leroy Jenkins, casting spells wildly until cornered and forced to commit suicide so she can repeat the same dumb strategy after the re-spawn. And Jen McCreight, who left the game to play Hello Kitty Island Adventure.

Oolon is slightly more advanced as he's a script kiddy doing the unfunny version of Ventrilo Harassment. And he knows exactly what he's doing, indicating he's not divested from real life, he has none to speak of.

They are suffering from the delusion that it's all just words, a game played on the internet with no real stakes.

Myers was able to pass along an anonymous, unsourced accusation against Michael Shermer, even though he's met the man, because once he sits down in front of his computer, it's all just a game. Words, battle tactics the reality of what he is doing has roughly the immediacy of smack-talk on Team-Speak.

Every one of those fuckers, from the leadership down to the most petty little minion is suffering from the same delusion. You think they rush through life with the same revolutionary fervor and reckless disregard for nicety? Fuck no. In real life which you can extrapolate from their Google Hangout discussions, they are all fat, confused, riding somewhere on the depression spectrum and generally meek and mild, well-behaved and terrified of confrontation. That's why they are doing it on the internet and can't see outside of maniacally typing at phantoms. It's how ol' Anthony K. convinced himself he was Brownian, epic rouge smart-ass.

A bunch of sad cases.

But now out comes the flood of accusation that are real, against real people, even if they deluded fucks making them and repeating them don't quite see it that way. Which means they are going to have to face consequences in the real world where they simply cannot operate.

That's where the end of all this bullshit comes. Not from talking sense to these irrational types. Not when the hypocrisy and contradictions becomes to great for even their level of crazy to manage, because that'll never happen.

No, it's the real world with real lawyers and real courts and oh-so real consequences, reality itself that drove them into the Atheism Plus virtual Jungles of Guyana that will do them on. And to grasp where they are headed you need a real-world example of how this operates.

They may destroy some people like Michael Shermer, but I very much doubt it. Then again, Jim Jones managed to kill Congressman Leo Ryan, and all that accomplished was hastening Jone's own self-inflicted bullet to the head.

Take note, P.Z. Myers.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Ape+lust » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:50 am  •  [Post 4509]

another lurker wrote:Technically, oolon can still argue that everything he has said is 'true'. After all, it's the 'pits *interpretation* that's wrong, not PZ ! We are just misinterpreting 'biodiversity' to read as an 'endorsement of tentacle rape'. These fuckers are so disingenuous that it just leaves one going 'wuhh?'


The "biodiversity" angle never occurred to the thickwitted goob. Instead, he insisted PZ was a broadminded celebrant of sexual diversity, not one to shame people for their kinks. The page text was even of academic interest, detailing the history of tentacle porn. The shame was on us for being Victorian bluenoses.

Sex negative rape apologists, that's us.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby another lurker » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:52 am  •  [Post 4510]

Ape+lust wrote:
another lurker wrote:Technically, oolon can still argue that everything he has said is 'true'. After all, it's the 'pits *interpretation* that's wrong, not PZ ! We are just misinterpreting 'biodiversity' to read as an 'endorsement of tentacle rape'. These fuckers are so disingenuous that it just leaves one going 'wuhh?'


The "biodiversity" angle never occurred to the thickwitted goob. Instead, he insisted PZ was a broadminded celebrant of sexual diversity, not one to shame people for their kinks. The page text was even of academic interest, detailing the history of tentacle porn. The shame was on us for being Victorian bluenoses.

Sex negative rape apologists, that's us.


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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Git » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:56 am  •  [Post 4511]

Mykeru wrote:But now out comes the flood of accusation that are real, against real people, even if they deluded fucks making them and repeating them don't quite see it that way. Which means they are going to have to face consequences in the real world where they simply cannot operate.

That's where the end of all this bullshit comes. Not from talking sense to these irrational types. Not when the hypocrisy and contradictions becomes to great for even their level of crazy to manage, because that'll never happen.

No, it's the real world with real lawyers and real courts and oh-so real consequences, reality itself that drove them into the Atheism Plus virtual Jungles of Guyana that will do them on. And to grasp where they are headed you need a real-world example of how this operates.

They may destroy some people like Michael Shermer, but I very much doubt it. Then again, Jim Jones managed to kill Congressman Leo Ryan, and all that accomplished was hastening Jone's own self-inflicted bullet to the head.

Take note, P.Z. Myers.

/rant off.


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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby jjbinx007 » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:03 am  •  [Post 4512]

So I bugger off for a while and when I come back I read that Michael Shermer is accused of asking the waiters at a posh function to make sure everyone's wine glasses were topped up, and Dillahunty is Witch of the Week. I wonder what tomorrow will bring?
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Mykeru » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:04 am  •  [Post 4513]



Hey, this making shit up is fun!
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby MadGav » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:09 am  •  [Post 4514]

Aneris wrote:Welcome to our side of things ThePrussian. You see, as it turns out that some FTB opinion leaders once were accused of rape (Jason Thibeault and PZ Myers have confessed it themselves), seem to like rapey stuff as seen here, and in fact have now found an excuse to immerse themselves completely in “Rape Culture”. But you know, the official version is of course completely inverted. Everything they are, and it's extreme in my book, gets turned around 180° and for a complete weird reason actually believed by quite a lot of people outside. I still don't know what to make of it and wonder if this is some sort of elaborated joke.


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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby H. Korban » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:10 am  •  [Post 4515]

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Dick Strawkins wrote:Taslima is having one of her turns... :shock:

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But don't worry, we all know people have heated moments online and don't mean what they say. It's just part and parcel of being on the web and I'm sure nobody would.. what's that? Death threats are illegal? People go to jail for bullshitting on twitter? We should take all accusations seriously and act upon them immediately?

Good thing she has female privilege.


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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Git » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:11 am  •  [Post 4516]

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Matt Cavanaugh » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:31 am  •  [Post 4517]

FlyingV wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:
So it's went from Shermer practically pouring wine down a woman's throat to him putting £500 behind the bar and saying "drinks are on me".

*facepalm*


I can't wait until they turn this into "Shermer was trying to rape the entire bar."


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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Gefan » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:32 am  •  [Post 4518]



Interesting.

I'd take issue with the bit where it's claimed that Grover Norquist and Richard Dawkins are natural antagonists.
If Dawkin's were to find a way to carpet bomb the next Southern Baptist Covention, Norquist would, at minimum, try and get him a tax deduction on the bombs (whilst trying hard not to look too pleased).
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Guest » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:37 am  •  [Post 4519]

JackRayner wrote:My unit's AO was Al Anbar Province, a section of land about the size of Texas


I thought "there's no way that can be the case". I checked and Texas is something like five times the size of Al Anbar.
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Postby Matt Cavanaugh » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:39 am  •  [Post 4520]

Gefan wrote:


Interesting.

I'd take issue with the bit where it's claimed that Grover Norquist and Richard Dawkins are natural antagonists.
If Dawkin's were to find a way to carpet bomb the next Southern Baptist Covention, Norquist would, at minimum, try and get him a tax deduction on the bombs (whilst trying hard not to look too pleased).


Dawkins has long been a vocal advocate of large, government-run social programs. Norquist's famous line was he wanted to shrink government until it was small enough to drown in the bathtub.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby another lurker » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:42 am  •  [Post 4521]

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JackRayner wrote:My unit's AO was Al Anbar Province, a section of land about the size of Texas


I thought "there's no way that can be the case". I checked and Texas is something like five times the size of Al Anbar.


I think that the 'pit should now have a long heated argument over the size of Al Anbar vs. Texas. I am sure Gumby will love it!! And I couldn't imagine anything *more* pointless. muhahahahahaa
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Gefan » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:46 am  •  [Post 4522]

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Gefan wrote:


Interesting.

I'd take issue with the bit where it's claimed that Grover Norquist and Richard Dawkins are natural antagonists.
If Dawkin's were to find a way to carpet bomb the next Southern Baptist Covention, Norquist would, at minimum, try and get him a tax deduction on the bombs (whilst trying hard not to look too pleased).


Dawkins has long been a vocal advocate of large, government-run social programs. Norquist's famous line was he wanted to shrink government until it was small enough to drown in the bathtub.


You're absolutely right. I'm merely pointing out that Norquist seems to tolerate the religious right in much the same way The Sisterhood of the Oppressed seems to tolerate Peezus. It's sort of a "useful idiot" kind of arrangement where the hand is on the trap-door lever, and periodically twitching.
In no way would I deny Norquist has been one big catastrophe for American society.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Guest » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:47 am  •  [Post 4523]

Søren Lilholt wrote:On balance, Sweden is a more moral society than Afghanistan. Sorry, but it just is. Not just from 'my' standpoint, but from pretty much any metric which could be applied as an indicator of the relative suffering/wellbeing of the two societies. And fuck it - yes. It's objective.


There are probably a lot of people in Afghanistan who don't desire to trade their current lives for one in Sweden instead.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby ThePrussian » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:52 am  •  [Post 4524]

Aneris wrote:
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Good God, is that real? I knew Myers was twisted, but is that real?


It is entirely real.
I was a fan of Pharyngula since even before it moved to scienceblogs and I remember being shocked by that post at the time.

Obviously PZ keeps quiet about it now - but at the time he was clearly promoting this type of fetish pornographic material as a positive thing.

And yes, the actual title, on the picture is "hentai tentacle rape"

I guess you could say each to his own, but it does seem wildly at variance with his current radfem leanings to be endorsing what is clearly rape porn - and many of the pictures are not simply drawings, but are women photographed in extremely degrading (to a feminist eye) positions.

And that's not even to mention the fact that the blog where he found this material hosts some of the dodgiest porn you'll find this side of oolons hard drive - probably the reason why it was closed down (you can still find some pages cached on the wayback machine, which is how I was able to retrieve that post.


Welcome to our side of things ThePrussian. You see, as it turns out that some FTB opinion leaders once were accused of rape (Jason Thibeault and PZ Myers have confessed it themselves), seem to like rapey stuff as seen here, and in fact have now found an excuse to immerse themselves completely in “Rape Culture”. But you know, the official version is of course completely inverted. Everything they are, and it's extreme in my book, gets turned around 180° and for a complete weird reason actually believed by quite a lot of people outside. I still don't know what to make of it and wonder if this is some sort of elaborated joke.


You get the feeling that Myers is a little like those TV Evangelists who thunders against homosexuality and is shortly found sprawled out on the floor of some Men's room somewhere?

Incidentally, I've been "on your side" for a while, just not found the time to really drop by. :ugeek:
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Tribble » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:57 am  •  [Post 4525]

ThePrussian wrote:
Good God, is that real? I knew Myers was twisted, but is that real?


Yes. I was still reading there when it happened. It wasn't the first. It wasn't the only. But it's one of the easier ones to track down.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby DrMantisTobbogan » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:59 am  •  [Post 4526]

Mykeru wrote:They are completely divested from reality in a fundamental way: They've forgotten that they are dealing with actual real, live human beings that exist as meat in three-dimensional space.


Great point Mykeru. I think that this dynamic helps to explain what happened with JT Eberhard; he saw one his SJW buddies acting the same way in real life as they do on the internet and was disgusted. As soon as he had seen the ugliness of the behavior he tried to provide a calm, rational response and then HE was treated the way that the A+ers treat others for the first time. It was ugly, ironic, and popcorn-worthy.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Ape+lust » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:00 am  •  [Post 4527]

ThePrussian wrote:You get the feeling that Myers is a little like those TV Evangelists who thunders against homosexuality and is shortly found sprawled out on the floor of some Men's room somewhere?

Incidentally, I've been "on your side" for a while, just not found the time to really drop by. :ugeek:


I don't know if he means it or he's just winding PZ up, but Reap Paden often says PZ is a not-at-all-discreet ogler at conferences.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Mykeru » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:03 am  •  [Post 4528]

ccdimage wrote:
deLurch wrote:As word of this gets around, I suspect the normal bunch of alcoholics at these conferences may start to notice that there are fewer and fewer people willing to risk buying them drinks anymore. And for those who thrive on their small pond celebrity status, it might be a difficult adjustment to how they are used to being treated.

I have a solution.
The free drinks at conferences should be for men only.


Isn't it interesting that a community that so obsesses about "triggering" this and that abstract thing that might make someone feel bad, seem to have absolutely no interest in how they can and will --because this is a statistical certainty -- trigger the alcoholics and soon-to-be-alcoholics in their midst?

Here we are talking about the potential actual harm done to people, in the liver, in peace of mind, in bodacious better-have-morning-drink-to-forestall-withdrawal behavior that is the golden ticket to a detox ward if one is lucky.

For me, like a lot of other alkies, the end of drinking came when I no longer had the illusion of control. Sure, when I was a really good boy I could have a couple beers like a normal person in the same way you can play Russian Roulette and 5 out of six times you can expect not to blow your brains out. It's that also statistically inevitable "what the fuck was that" morning after that convinced me this wasn't for me. That and the fact I'm a complete fucking pansy when it comes to hangovers.

This is the most sick toxic culture for people in it who are alcoholics. It's not the access to alcohol. Anyone can handle that. I walk out the door and in five minutes I can have a drink in my hand. When I go to survival and primitive skills meets there's always someone who brings beer to share, or harder stuff. Some even brew and distill their own. The attitude is different. They offer, I say no thanks and life rolls right along.

The conference culture is different: They act like they are having Groundhog Day at those things where all the cool kids are doing it, and the lie is there is no consequences and no hangover because they treat these things like they exist outside of time. Until the next morning where people's heads hurt and they have vague memories of someone touching someone else, if only if it was someone holding back their hair to puke.

I know what you are saying: It's the responsibility of the alcoholic and proto-alcoholics to abstain, and you are exactly right. Problem is, it's often very difficult to get one to take responsibility for their own drinking. That's why there's cult bullshit like Alcoholic's Anonymous, Cognitive and Behavioral Therapy, even drugs like Antabuse and the Buster Keaton method of tying yourself to a chair until the DTS pass. Even so you are walking the tightrope of keeping yourself clean without harshing anyone else's buzz.

But part and parcel with their boozing culture is a culture of taking no fucking responsibility whatsoever.

Of course it's a disaster when you "perfect storm" socially inept and borderline stupid problem drinkers with a group that fundamentally believes everything is someone else's fault.

What a fucking nightmare. Personally, it's my vision of hell.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Tribble » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:03 am  •  [Post 4529]

another lurker wrote:
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JackRayner wrote:My unit's AO was Al Anbar Province, a section of land about the size of Texas


I thought "there's no way that can be the case". I checked and Texas is something like five times the size of Al Anbar.


I think that the 'pit should now have a long heated argument over the size of Al Anbar vs. Texas. I am sure Gumby will love it!! And I couldn't imagine anything *more* pointless. muhahahahahaa


Anbar water vs Texas water?
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Ericb » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:08 am  •  [Post 4530]

Bread mad with Anbar water vs bread made with Texas water?
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby guest » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:09 am  •  [Post 4531]

Tribble wrote:
ThePrussian wrote:
Good God, is that real? I knew Myers was twisted, but is that real?


Yes. I was still reading there when it happened. It wasn't the first. It wasn't the only. But it's one of the easier ones to track down.



Yes, I remember he also linked fondly a picture of some "Muramasa" concept art where the main female protagonist, practically nude, was being grappled in the groin by an octopus.
I have no problems with this stuff at all. But then again, I'm not a rad-fem hypocrite.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Edina Monsoon » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:11 am  •  [Post 4532]

The Bar Rape OMG... (sorry if this has been posted before)

From Brian Fields' FB thread https://www.facebook.com/fieldsb/posts/10201789083034817

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Scented Nectar » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:16 am  •  [Post 4533]

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For Ms. Nectar:

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Cute round butt, whoever he is. Thank you. :)
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Gumby » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:18 am  •  [Post 4534]

Edina Monsoon wrote:The Bar Rape OMG... (sorry if this has been posted before)

From Brian Fields' FB thread https://www.facebook.com/fieldsb/posts/10201789083034817

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With these morons, It's always "somebody got me drunk". Fuck that shit. YOU got you drunk.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Tony Parsehole » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:19 am  •  [Post 4535]

Edina Monsoon wrote:The Bar Rape OMG... (sorry if this has been posted before)

From Brian Fields' FB thread https://www.facebook.com/fieldsb/posts/10201789083034817

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The "Shermer got me drunk" meme is back and surprise, surprise, it's mentioned alongside a completely unrelated rape story.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Mykeru » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:21 am  •  [Post 4536]

Edina Monsoon wrote:The Bar Rape OMG... (sorry if this has been posted before)

From Brian Fields' FB thread https://www.facebook.com/fieldsb/posts/10201789083034817

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I think I detect a fabulous yearning

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygvfLupG8Wo[/youtube]
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Mykeru » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:22 am  •  [Post 4537]

Mykeru wrote:
Edina Monsoon wrote:The Bar Rape OMG... (sorry if this has been posted before)

From Brian Fields' FB thread https://www.facebook.com/fieldsb/posts/10201789083034817

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I think I detect a fabulous yearning

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygvfLupG8Wo[/youtube]


Oh son of a bitch. Fail

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Tony Parsehole » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:22 am  •  [Post 4538]

Gumby wrote:
Edina Monsoon wrote:The Bar Rape OMG... (sorry if this has been posted before)

From Brian Fields' FB thread https://www.facebook.com/fieldsb/posts/10201789083034817

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With these morons, It's always "somebody got me drunk". Fuck that shit. YOU got you drunk.


I wonder if they'd blame the barman for getting them drunk if Shermer wasn't around?

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Mykeru » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:23 am  •  [Post 4539]

About 4 minutes in she proudly tells the story of throwing condoms at a Catholic Bishop and describes it as "aggressive activism".

Take that, cracker nailing!
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Edina Monsoon » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:26 am  •  [Post 4540]

Also for being "too drunk to remember" (which I believe she left out of her account to Myers) Rael seems to remember it quite well.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Ericb » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:26 am  •  [Post 4541]

The new woman-as-victim stereotype is not only directly traceable to nineteenth century Victorian patriarchal attitudes reducing (bourgeois) women to inert ornaments, but by denying to women the creative power inherent in everyone, it places women’s demands on a par with those advanced for, say, baby seals.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Git » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:27 am  •  [Post 4542]

Gefan wrote:


Interesting.

I'd take issue with the bit where it's claimed that Grover Norquist and Richard Dawkins are natural antagonists.
If Dawkin's were to find a way to carpet bomb the next Southern Baptist Covention, Norquist would, at minimum, try and get him a tax deduction on the bombs (whilst trying hard not to look too pleased).


Peezus has made it clear in the past that one has to agree 100% with his Proglodyte-ism to even be considered part of the "movement". And one must agree with him for the *same* reasons too, it seems. Its classic ideological purity, and its rampant on the US left, and is starting to make inroads here too in the UK (the AV Referendum is a prime example)
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Ericb » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:27 am  •  [Post 4543]

The new woman-as-victim stereotype is not only directly traceable to nineteenth century Victorian patriarchal attitudes reducing (bourgeois) women to inert ornaments, but by denying to women the creative power inherent in everyone, it places women’s demands on a par with those advanced for, say, baby seals.

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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby ERV » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:28 am  •  [Post 4544]

Janice Rael is an old timer. IIDB-- Everlasting God Stopper aka ELGS. Glad to see shes still a weirdo.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby acathode » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:31 am  •  [Post 4545]

Dick Strawkins wrote:I guess you could say each to his own, but it does seem wildly at variance with his current radfem leanings to be endorsing what is clearly rape porn - and many of the pictures are not simply drawings, but are women photographed in extremely degrading (to a feminist eye) positions.
Let's also remember that Greta Christina actually wrote and published her own rape porn fiction book this very year, and AFAIK have not received the single "OMG RAPE CULTURE!!!" comment from the FTB SJWs, and not a single negative peep from Myers or any of her other co-bloggers either (Actually, Myers give it a 5 star review on Amazon, his only complaint is the lack of tentacles...).

Personally, I couldn't care less about what kind of fetish porn get someone off*, but fuck if it'd be nice to see even a scrap of moral consistency from the FTB folks when it came to anything relating to sex... or anything else for that matter. Or well, I guess "It's ok when WE do it!" and "It [rape porn] is ok for women but not for men!" is technically consistent, but I hesitate to call that hypocritical and sexist drivel "morals".

*As long as all participants are consenting adults, or imaginary.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby ThePrussian » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:40 am  •  [Post 4546]

Ape+lust wrote:
ThePrussian wrote:You get the feeling that Myers is a little like those TV Evangelists who thunders against homosexuality and is shortly found sprawled out on the floor of some Men's room somewhere?

Incidentally, I've been "on your side" for a while, just not found the time to really drop by. :ugeek:


I don't know if he means it or he's just winding PZ up, but Reap Paden often says PZ is a not-at-all-discreet ogler at conferences.


Nah, I mean it. Not accusing him of rape mind, or even harassment, just that PZ is shouting loudly to avoid what he hears in his own mind.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Edina Monsoon » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:40 am  •  [Post 4547]

ERV wrote:Janice Rael is an old timer. IIDB-- Everlasting God Stopper aka ELGS. Glad to see shes still a weirdo.

IIDB?
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Mykeru » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:41 am  •  [Post 4548]

acathode wrote:
Personally, I couldn't care less about what kind of fetish porn get someone off*, but fuck if it'd be nice to see even a scrap of moral consistency from the FTB folks when it came to anything relating to sex... or anything else for that matter. Or well, I guess "It's ok when WE do it!" and "It [rape porn] is ok for women but not for men!" is technically consistent, but I hesitate to call that hypocritical and sexist drivel "morals".


Rape is only acceptable when it's in their incompetent, impotent hands.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Kareem » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:51 am  •  [Post 4549]

Edina Monsoon wrote:The Bar Rape OMG... (sorry if this has been posted before)

From Brian Fields' FB thread https://www.facebook.com/fieldsb/posts/10201789083034817

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For the A+ers reading this, making blanket statements about the police not caring about rape accusation just makes you look dishonest. Dozens of men have been convicted of rape only to be cleared later, others are STILL behind bars after it was clear they weren't guilty. That can't happen in a world where all the police just laugh off rape victims like you continually suggest.
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Re: Bleeding from the Bunghole

Postby Matt Cavanaugh » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:53 am  •  [Post 4550]

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JackRayner wrote:My unit's AO was Al Anbar Province, a section of land about the size of Texas


I thought "there's no way that can be the case". I checked and Texas is something like five times the size of Al Anbar.


I think that the 'pit should now have a long heated argument over the size of Al Anbar vs. Texas. I am sure Gumby will love it!! And I couldn't imagine anything *more* pointless. muhahahahahaa


Has anyone compared the size of Anbar province to Taslima's elephant yoni?
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