Bleeding from the Bunghole

[another lurker]

*scribble*

I just made a note of that. Boy is he in for a surprise.

My mom was the victim of a drive-by tit-honking once. She is a petite, but rather well endowed woman. She has had the unfortunate habit of wearing tight shirts (I honestly don't think it ever dawned on her that tight shirt with big tits is like an advertisement) - and, one day, a friend's 8 year old son ran up to her, honked her tits, and ran off. Hilarious, I wish I had been there to see it!

[bovarchist]

Did you rub your boobs on them, apparently that's the Rubicon.

Imagine if Julius Caesar had crossed the Skepticon instead!

What do you get if you cross the Skepticon with an elephant? Stephanie Svan.

[Dick Strawkins]

There's another 'best-of-the-slymepit' on youtube - this time by skepsheik.

[youtube]UcPKmEpqfhc[/youtube]

omg omg omg omg!
That was SO FUCKING AWESOME!
-love- the song for it!
Holy hell.
*cheers* Skepsheik, wherever you are :D

That was awesome. :clap:

While we are it, I have a general question, to Gumby, Ape+Lust, Dick Strawkins, Parody Accountant, Jan Steen and all the others. I just assume you want your work to be spread out, but are you actually okay when your work is featured on a blog (mine for example), of course always with proper credits? Or do you have some reservations (do you want a specific link to one of your pages for example?)

You can use anything of mine, attributed or not, I don't mind. Thunderf00t's used a few in the past and of course Ophelia and Svan (perhaps my biggest fan!) love to feature my stuff from time to time.

[AndrewV69]

Hmmm. After the last post by Scented Nectar I remembered these two. Which is more acceptable? Item one or two? Vote now.

Item one: Dood? What? Advertise much? Taking lessons from Miley Cyrus?
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18wa017 ... bigpic.jpg

Item two: More tasteful and subtle?
http://judgybitch.files.wordpress.com/2 ... ammer.jpeg

[AndrewV69]

Any techies out there know how to share Mov files of about 400Megs with friends? I took some vacation video that a friend wants and it;s too big for email and I can't seem to get Dropbox to work with my older Mac. When i use the Dropbox ap for my iphone it wants to upload every pic-not letting me select-and I'm not letting THAT happen. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

mm.. Well, there is always ZModem and FTP for sharing things across the internets.

Google Drive?
https://support.google.com/drive/answer ... orted&rd=1

Store the first 15 GB of your stuff for free across Google Drive, Gmail, and Google+ Photos.

When your Google Drive grows, get another 100 GB of space (or more!) starting at $4.99 per month.

[JackRayner]

Hmmm. After the last post by Scented Nectar I remembered these two. Which is more acceptable? Item one or two? Vote now.

Item one: Dood? What? Advertise much? Taking lessons from Miley Cyrus?
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18wa017 ... bigpic.jpg

Item two: More tasteful and subtle?
http://judgybitch.files.wordpress.com/2 ... ammer.jpeg

I'm okay with both.

[Aside: I wish un-padded bras were in vogue. I don't get the appeal of bras that make tits look like smooth balloons. But then, I'm a misogynist, so I'm probably just wishing that women would make it easier for me to magickally siphon their dignity away by objectify them with my male gaze....]

[KiwiInOz]

Hmmm. After the last post by Scented Nectar I remembered these two. Which is more acceptable? Item one or two? Vote now.

Item one: Dood? What? Advertise much? Taking lessons from Miley Cyrus?
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18wa017 ... bigpic.jpg

Item two: More tasteful and subtle?
http://judgybitch.files.wordpress.com/2 ... ammer.jpeg

I'm picking there will soon be a Pit survey on whether to dress to the right or the left!

[ianfc]

I don't think much of carry bags so I go for the nice blue one in 1

[Scented Nectar]

You know, I'm always talking about penises these days. I must not be getting enough. I'll try and remedy that so that I don't become a one-track-minded poster. :shock:

I for one am all in favour about you talking about penises. You make more sense than some of the people all up in arms about me honking tits.

Did I mention I frequently wear a kilt?

Just saying.

Ok, now I've got a picture in my head of you in a kilt standing over a windy grate in the street, Marilyn Monroe style! :D

[another lurker]

Hmmm. After the last post by Scented Nectar I remembered these two. Which is more acceptable? Item one or two? Vote now.

Item one: Dood? What? Advertise much? Taking lessons from Miley Cyrus?
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18wa017 ... bigpic.jpg

Item two: More tasteful and subtle?
http://judgybitch.files.wordpress.com/2 ... ammer.jpeg

I'm picking there will soon be a Pit survey on whether to dress to the right or the left!

Perhaps it will devolve into a heated argument! And I prefer #2 - actor Jon Hamm. Used to know a guy who walked around dressed like guy #1. His last name was 'Stocks' - suffice to say, everyone went around behind his back calling him "Mr. Cocks"

[ianfc]

I love cock rings, they make one feel rather large and turgid.

[Tapir]

I understand today is the 1 year anniversary of the A+ forums.

[tumbleweed]

[JackRayner]

I'm picking there will soon be a Pit survey on whether to dress to the right or the left!

Why not just let it go to which ever side it naturally hangs? http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x17/ ... ferent.gif

[Søren Lilholt]

I agree that morality's purpose is to minimize suffering, however, again, you seem to be missing a significant chunk of the picture: minimize suffering for whom?....and from what?

Well, if taken to the logical conclusion, everyone and everything with the capacity to suffer.

The so-called "universals" of human morality that some tout aren't objective. Killing is bad...but for whom, and in what context? Stealing is bad...but from who? Lying is bad....but to whom? Forced sex is bad...but against whom? (And if you look at our own culture, this point becomes plainly obvious. For example, there are forms of forced sex committed by women, on men or on other women, that the law nor the public seems to give two shits about.) All of these are contextual. Black and white thinking doesn't work here whatsoever.

I thought my analogy with healthy lifestyle was pretty clear - that you can't prescribe an EXACT way to live a fully healthy life, but there are objective facts that lead us to GENERAL principles for healthy living which TEND TO lead to better health IN GENERAL. And so it is with morality.

How on earth this sort of approach can qualify as "black and white thinking" is just beyond me.

Now, for you to assert that culture A is "more moral" than culture K, you'd need a nearsightedness of such a depth and resilience that I'm doubtful I'm prepared to dive into it.

What total, utter rubbish.

There are indicators of wellbeing that you can draw on to make general conclusions about the relative wellbeing of societies. Life expectancy, for one.

The life expectancy in Afghanistan is diabolical. This is an objective fact. It just is. Sorry. Not my fault. You go off on one about the "unique mix of issues" in Afghanistan, as if the historical reasons for Afghanistan's present-day failures have any bearing whatsoever on my argument, which is simply that there are facts that can be known about competing moral systems. Even if every single failure of that society can be excused, accounted for, etc, it is still objectively failing when compared to many other societies' indices of wellbeing. (And, in fairness, there may be indicators in which it scores well. I don't know of any, but I'm not ruling out the possibility.)

And OF COURSE Sweden has its own issues. Everywhere does. Of course they do, for fuck's sake! I'm not claiming otherwise! That doesn't mean that objective data isn't available. And it is just an insult for you to try and make out this is just down to some sort of western imperialist BS on my part.

There was a study done a couple of years back which tried to rank countries by their citizen's wellbeing (I can't remember the measures they used), and Bhutan came 7th - far higher than the UK or the US despite its relative poverty. Most societies probably score well on some indicators, and not so well on others. That is PRECISELY why gathering objective data on these things, with a view to improving the morality of our species, is both possible and worthwhile.

Just know that you come across as not only a dummy that can't tell the difference between objective and subjective, but also a hopeless cultural fascist.

Jesus Christ...for someone that takes such delight in criticising the emotional hysterics of the baboon board you really are sounding like one of them.

Look. Do you HONESTLY think data on, say, life expectancy is subjective? And it is nothing other than "cultural facism" to use that as one of many indicators of wellbeing of a society?

:angry-banghead:

[bhoytony]

I love cock rings, they make one feel rather large and turgid.

Can we talk about water again please?

[Scented Nectar]

Hmmm. After the last post by Scented Nectar I remembered these two. Which is more acceptable? Item one or two? Vote now.

Item one: Dood? What? Advertise much? Taking lessons from Miley Cyrus?
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18wa017 ... bigpic.jpg

Item two: More tasteful and subtle?
http://judgybitch.files.wordpress.com/2 ... ammer.jpeg

I vote for the subtle one, but that might partly be because the first guy looks like his parts must be uncomfortable in those tights. If this poll had a write in category, I'd have voted for loose jogging pants with no underwear.

[AndrewV69]

Ok, now I've got a picture in my head of you in a kilt standing over a windy grate in the street, Marilyn Monroe style! :D

Hahaha!

If you knew me when I was younger, it was exactly the sort of thing I was capable of doing.

[Guest]

our long national nightmare has ended mother Jones has an article about the elevator gate and of course the baboons have jumped in

[Guest]

That's elevatorGATE and Storify

[Matt Cavanaugh]

Hugs are now considered foreplay? Did I just wake up in Victorian times?
MRAs are a bunch of prudes. LOL

Now just a sec ... that was not what was going down. That is a complete misrepresentation of the situation. For your information MRAs are all rapey and shit. Do not hug them. Because like sexual assault and stuff.

You can catch MRA. Not just from a hug -- it can be passed through a fist bump, or absorbed through the air if exposed to Dudebros for extended periods. Like, say you hang out every Saturday in a dudebro's garage, drinking beer, talking football and cars while listening to Led Zeppelin.

At first you wouldn't notice anything. But one day, your wife's buxom BFF gives you a hug, and you get a stiffy. And you're like, 'why am I so rapey all of a sudden?'
It's cuz you contracted MRA.

[Zenspace]

Finally located some Downfall footage featuring Goering.

Hi, Stefalump! How're you doing?

[youtube]2J2jK3QdVzQ[/youtube]

Apologies, for a couple of dodgy cuts. On the up-side, there should be more time to read the subtitles on this one.

:clap:

Brilliant as usual!

Indeed! Fake Rolex? Brilliant inclusion of Popehat, too! :lol:

[Pitchguest]

I guess it's true. When we're not eating FtB, we're eating eachother.

The over-population thread is elsewhere Pitchguest.

Good idea!

[Zenspace]

Finally located some Downfall footage featuring Goering.

Hi, Stefalump! How're you doing?

[youtube]2J2jK3QdVzQ
Apologies, for a couple of dodgy cuts. On the up-side, there should be more time to read the subtitles on this one.

Fantastic stuff!

There's another 'best-of-the-slymepit' on youtube - this time by skepsheik.

[youtube]UcPKmEpqfhc[/youtube]

That was awesome! Top quality lulz from the Pyt! :clap:

[Apples]

Links are nice - it being the Internet and all:

http://www.motherjones.com/media/2013/0 ... ree-speech

[Guest]

mother Jones cannot figure out what was wrong with elevator Gate's use of Storify, so they didn't bother explaining what the abuse was, instead they just pointed to Twitter & YouTube and mumbled email notifications.

mother Jones did not explain what Storify is, give examples of what Storify looks like, or give any examples of what elevatorgate did on Storify.

mother Jones spent no time taking elevator gates argument or position and examining it, even to deconstruct it, or demolish it, comparing it to journalists standards.

[Zenspace]

I guess it's true. When we're not eating FtB, we're eating eachother.

The over-population thread is elsewhere Pitchguest.

Soylent Green is people!!! :o

[Guest]

Links are nice - it being the Internet and all:

http://www.motherjones.com/media/2013/0 ... ree-speech

yeah sorry about that I don't have a keyboard near me and my texting skills are terrible. thanks for posting the links, but please check your privilege.

[Apples]

Links are nice - it being the Internet and all:

http://www.motherjones.com/media/2013/0 ... ree-speech

yeah sorry about that I don't have a keyboard near me and my texting skills are terrible. thanks for posting the links, but please check your privilege.

roger that

[Zenspace]

You know, I'm always talking about penises these days. I must not be getting enough. I'll try and remedy that so that I don't become a one-track-minded poster. :shock:

I for one am all in favour about you talking about penises. You make more sense than some of the people all up in arms about me honking tits.

Did I mention I frequently wear a kilt?

Just saying.

Ok, now I've got a picture in my head of you in a kilt standing over a windy grate in the street, Marilyn Monroe style! :D

:lol:

I actually had one of those moments this past Saturday at the local Highland Games. A bit of a windy day caught me kilt in a gust! :lol:

[Pitchguest]

My attempt at inserting some common sense at Avicenna's. All for naught: it's to the turd.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/amilliongod ... ent-132015

Here's where I address Avicenna's frankly idiotic post about applying blame to the Slymepit (collectively)* for something someone else did (and not guaranteed it's Rich Sanderson - he's just assuming Rich is behind it). Scepticism in action!

*which is hilarious, due to this exchange



Decry blanket statements; make blanket statements of your own. Yay!

[Pitchguest]

Forgot to link to the other post where I address Avicenna directly. Here it is:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/amilliongod ... ent-131925

[Parody Accountant]

aneris you can use mine also with or without attribution and at whatever frequency you wish. if you happen to start making shitloads of money (perhaps quadrillions) on merch (perhaps fake jewelry)... we can work out something where a tiny portion is donated to a charity. I'm against profits along these lines... but not intensely. in no way am I worried about blog ad revenue ... if you have that.

sorry if wall of text. on mobile.

[FrankGrimes]

Is the solve world poverty with bottled water thing over?

[Darren]

You got to love the egos - over at FfTB, I mean. Avicenna has a post on about something "big" - all the while tarring everyone here:

If you are unaware of this, I was accused of raping someone at TAM 2013 during a period of time that I was intensely busy with “work”. I didn’t know about the Michael Shermer incident. I just thought it was hate mail. Mabus was doing the rounds after all…
So I disposed it. Tam 2013? How weird!
Then other allegations started popping up. PZ Myers, Lousy Canuck (AKA Jason Thibeault) and I realised what it was. It was laying the ground work for something big.
Turns out Mr. Sanderson is a possible suspect in the fake accusation that I raped/molested someone at TAM 2013. Why? Because when I admitted publically about the accusation, I also pointed out that I had an alibi.

An alibi? So effing what? Farah Jama had an alibi, and was still wrongly convicted of rape (based on contaminated DNA evidence) despite no evidence a crime even took place.

From that 2009 article:

The Court of Appeal was told it was possible the woman had not been raped at all.

She had never complained of sexual assault and could not recall the evening.

The court was told it was "improbable" that Mr Jama had even been at the nightclub.

Justices Marilyn Warren, Robert Redlich and Bernard Bongiorno overturned his conviction after the prosecution conceded contamination of the only evidence against him was likely.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

IT'S NOT BAD WHEN THEY DO IT!!!

So Shermer is a racist because a woman said so, and she could not have lied. The kind of sentence which Louis uses here, where one casts doubt by declaring there is no doubt, saw quite a number of people kicked off Meyers's grenade thread. Not only is Louis left unmolested when he does it, but Anthony Brownian specifically declares his support for the comment a few comments later:

http://i.imgur.com/sqFH0Jl.png

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-678771

[justinvacula]

Links are nice - it being the Internet and all:

http://www.motherjones.com/media/2013/0 ... ree-speech

yeah sorry about that I don't have a keyboard near me and my texting skills are terrible. thanks for posting the links, but please check your privilege.

roger that

From the article:

"The idea that a social-media network should be entirely neutral is a myth," says Jaclyn Friedman, the executive director for Women, Action and the Media, a nonprofit that advocates for gender equality in the media. "Neutral platforms are only neutral for straight white dudes. These companies need to make a decision: Do I want to be making a money off of a platform where abusers and harassers feel more comfortable than the abused and harassed?"

Online harassment can have serious consequences. The International Journal of Cyber Criminology says aggressive online conduct can trigger PTSD and, in worst case scenarios, lead to violence and suicide—although not all harassment rises to that level. The federal Violence Against Women Act outlaws cyberbullying but leaves a lot of room for uncertainty; when harassment occurs, it can be difficult to get sites to remove the offending content in a timely manner, if at all. Unsurprisingly, it's women, minorities, transgender people, and other marginalized groups who bear the brunt of the abuse.

Peezus Christ.

[Matt Cavanaugh]

I'd have strong doubts if an FtB commenter claimed they didn't have clinical depression.

[SoylentAtheist]

You got to love the egos - over at FfTB, I mean. Avicenna has a post on about something "big" - all the while tarring everyone here:

I have no clue what Avicenna is talking about. Links from his blog would be nice.

And on a related note, I would like Avicenna to stop accusing the slymepit of running a circus with Wooly Mammoths.

[AndrewV69]

Toy Soldiers weighs in about rape, mentions Jason Thibeault and Michael Shermer.

On people questioning the extraordinary claims about rape
http://toysoldier.wordpress.com/2013/08 ... bout-rape/

Jason Thibeault appears to disagree with that position. He wrote about his experience being falsely accused several years ago. That topic came up again when he wrote about a rape accusation against Michael Shermer, founder of he Skeptics Society. Rohn, a commenter, posted a response, which Thibeault wrote about. Thibeault’s comments reveal the inherent problem many feminists have in dealing with false accusations.

[Badger3k]

Forgot to link to the other post where I address Avicenna directly. Here it is:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/amilliongod ... ent-131925

So, the original allegation (or report) of false rape was done by Avicenna himself?

I saw someone point out that 4 people related to FtB have been accused of rape (falsely). If we went with that insane 4% figure dropped by one commenter, doesn't that make the probability of all four being falsely accused as .04^4? I'm not good at statistics, but that seems to be the way that I've seen it done. One person .04, two people is .016, etc. Awfully small numbers for 4 bloggers related to one network. Who's lying?

(I did like the dig at Oolon's liking for kiddy porn)

[rpguest]

I've hugged a lot of guys in my lifetime, are the "huggers=comeon" crowd suggesting that unbeknown to me, i was actually flirting with them?

Did you rub your boobs on them, apparently that's the Rubicon.

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[Skep tickle]

FWIW, there's now a connection between Mother Jones & atheist-SJW that there didn't used to be - the trio who defected from CFI's radio program.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

Forgot to link to the other post where I address Avicenna directly. Here it is:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/amilliongod ... ent-131925

So, the original allegation (or report) of false rape was done by Avicenna himself?

I saw someone point out that 4 people related to FtB have been accused of rape (falsely). If we went with that insane 4% figure dropped by one commenter, doesn't that make the probability of all four being falsely accused as .04^4? I'm not good at statistics, but that seems to be the way that I've seen it done. One person .04, two people is .016, etc. Awfully small numbers for 4 bloggers related to one network. Who's lying?

(I did like the dig at Oolon's liking for kiddy porn)

Is Richard Sanderson the cunt who asked people to walk out of some Con, and declared it was equivalent to the protests in Egypt?

Cunt.

[Badger3k]

You got to love the egos - over at FfTB, I mean. Avicenna has a post on about something "big" - all the while tarring everyone here:

I have no clue what Avicenna is talking about. Links from his blog would be nice.

And on a related note, I would like Avicenna to stop accusing the slymepit of running a circus with Wooly Mammoths.

Normally, I think FtB policy is to only link when it can help you. If there is any doubt, leave it out.

Of course, there is the serious answer - I have no idea why he didn't link to it. It means we only get one side of the story, and have to try to make a judgement (if one is possible) based on that. Not a good thing, and not part of the skeptic's toolset.

I did want to comment on Pitchguest too - the comment by Colon saying that since this Sanderson reads the pit, that makes him a pitter. What does that make Svan and Ophie? Can we grant them honorary Pitter status?

[SoylentAtheist]

I guess it's true. When we're not eating FtB, we're eating eachother.

The over-population thread is elsewhere Pitchguest.

Soylent Green is people!!! :o

This doesn't look good for me.

[Garlic]

If we went with that insane 4% figure dropped by one commenter, doesn't that make the probability of all four being falsely accused as .04^4?

No. IIRC the 4% (really 2 to 10%) only applies to rape accusations that are reported to the police. I don't think any of the FTB cases qualify.

Of course, neither does the Shermer thing.

[rpguest]

Pit has sure been boring lately: Hugs and whether Trophy has a dick. Sure hope something interesting happens soon...

what are you some kind of hug apologist?

[Pitchguest]

Forgot to link to the other post where I address Avicenna directly. Here it is:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/amilliongod ... ent-131925

So, the original allegation (or report) of false rape was done by Avicenna himself?

I saw someone point out that 4 people related to FtB have been accused of rape (falsely). If we went with that insane 4% figure dropped by one commenter, doesn't that make the probability of all four being falsely accused as .04^4? I'm not good at statistics, but that seems to be the way that I've seen it done. One person .04, two people is .016, etc. Awfully small numbers for 4 bloggers related to one network. Who's lying?

(I did like the dig at Oolon's liking for kiddy porn)

Avicenna mentioned in a previous blog post that he had gotten an email which accused him of rape. However when Rich alluded to that:

Avicenna assumed Rich was the one who made the original claim, because he mentioned it.

[another lurker]

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/questions_large.png

[Pitchguest]

I'm sorry, did Stephanie Zvan just dox AmbrosiaX?

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... es-missed/

The fuck?

[SoylentAtheist]

Forgot to link to the other post where I address Avicenna directly. Here it is:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/amilliongod ... ent-131925

So, the original allegation (or report) of false rape was done by Avicenna himself?

I did a quick check on the cached copy of that More Will Be Named website. Avicenna isn't even on there unless some butthole made him a late addition.

So again, we have no clue WTF he is talking about. Is this some new form of claiming victim points? pz, canuck, avicenna. They all seem to want to add it to their resume.

[Badger3k]

If we went with that insane 4% figure dropped by one commenter, doesn't that make the probability of all four being falsely accused as .04^4?

No. IIRC the 4% (really 2 to 10%) only applies to rape accusations that are reported to the police. I don't think any of the FTB cases qualify.

Of course, neither does the Shermer thing.

I've seen a much wider variety posted here throughout the past few months (I guess, whenever this CF started), but you bring up an interesting point - were any of those accusations made to the police? Were they investigated, or were they just a case of "he's my friend, so he could never have done it" kinda thing (or subordinate, in PZs case)?

Be interesting (from a purely intellectual point) to find out.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

Pit has sure been boring lately: Hugs and whether Trophy has a dick. Sure hope something interesting happens soon...

what are you some kind of hug apologist?

I think we're all spending every free minute working out our wanking arm in preparation for Shermer's next move.

[Badger3k]

I'm sorry, did Stephanie Zvan just dox AmbrosiaX?

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... es-missed/

The fuck?

Expect to see that woman get harassed, a lot.

[Badger3k]

Forgot to link to the other post where I address Avicenna directly. Here it is:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/amilliongod ... ent-131925

So, the original allegation (or report) of false rape was done by Avicenna himself?

I saw someone point out that 4 people related to FtB have been accused of rape (falsely). If we went with that insane 4% figure dropped by one commenter, doesn't that make the probability of all four being falsely accused as .04^4? I'm not good at statistics, but that seems to be the way that I've seen it done. One person .04, two people is .016, etc. Awfully small numbers for 4 bloggers related to one network. Who's lying?

(I did like the dig at Oolon's liking for kiddy porn)

Avicenna mentioned in a previous blog post that he had gotten an email which accused him of rape. However when Rich alluded to that:

Avicenna assumed Rich was the one who made the original claim, because he mentioned it.

So, they decided to jump in feet first without looking for evidence or any corroborating information? Why am I not surprised. I did laugh at the egotism on display in the Nanny Ophie piece. People like Avicenna are minor dogs, bit players, the wannabe SJWs. Avicenna seems to actually do something real, though, so he at least gets props for walking the walk, something most of them don't do.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

I'm sorry, did Stephanie Zvan just dox AmbrosiaX?

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... es-missed/

The fuck?

I don't get your claim from that post. Seems like Ambrosia doxxed herself first, somewhat, much as Anthony Brownian did (leading to the famous photo of him taking a selfie in a bathroom, with a cat covering his cock).

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

Forgot to link to the other post where I address Avicenna directly. Here it is:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/amilliongod ... ent-131925

So, the original allegation (or report) of false rape was done by Avicenna himself?

I saw someone point out that 4 people related to FtB have been accused of rape (falsely). If we went with that insane 4% figure dropped by one commenter, doesn't that make the probability of all four being falsely accused as .04^4? I'm not good at statistics, but that seems to be the way that I've seen it done. One person .04, two people is .016, etc. Awfully small numbers for 4 bloggers related to one network. Who's lying?

(I did like the dig at Oolon's liking for kiddy porn)

For fuck's sake. Is that now THREE of the FfTB men who have had false rape claims made against them? How many more are going to slither out of the closet and admit they have, too. The place is a fucking den of falsely-accused non-rapists, plus a regular commenter who admitted downloading child porn, and yet they pull that Shermer shit publically, instead of through the legal system?

Cunts, cunts, cunts.

[Guest]

FWIW, there's now a connection between Mother Jones & atheist-SJW that there didn't used to be - the trio who defected from CFI's radio program.

can you name them for n00bs playing the home game and trying to keep up?

[Gumby]

I for one am all in favour about you talking about penises. You make more sense than some of the people all up in arms about me honking tits.

You're the idiot who thinks that a woman shouldn't hug someone if she doesn't expect to fuck the other person.

We simply pointed out your idiocy.

[JackRayner]

I agree that morality's purpose is to minimize suffering, however, again, you seem to be missing a significant chunk of the picture: minimize suffering for whom?....and from what?

Well, if taken to the logical conclusion, everyone and everything with the capacity to suffer.

The so-called "universals" of human morality that some tout aren't objective. Killing is bad...but for whom, and in what context? Stealing is bad...but from who? Lying is bad....but to whom? Forced sex is bad...but against whom? (And if you look at our own culture, this point becomes plainly obvious. For example, there are forms of forced sex committed by women, on men or on other women, that the law nor the public seems to give two shits about.) All of these are contextual. Black and white thinking doesn't work here whatsoever.

I thought my analogy with healthy lifestyle was pretty clear - that you can't prescribe an EXACT way to live a fully healthy life, but there are objective facts that lead us to GENERAL principles for healthy living which TEND TO lead to better health IN GENERAL. And so it is with morality.

How on earth this sort of approach can qualify as "black and white thinking" is just beyond me.

Dafuq? LOL! No. I'm not following you on this jump you're attempting to make from talking about morality to talking about health. If it wasn't apparent [from my previous, 600+ word spiel] that my definition of morality is concerned with the reduction of harm, and that "harm" is something each culture defines differently [whether based on quantifiable variables or not], then I don't know what to tell you. [*Sniff* Is that goal shifting that I'm smelling? Nah...couldn't be!]

If the issue is that you disagree with that definition, then that's fine. The discussion's pretty much over if that's the case, though.

Now, for you to assert that culture A is "more moral" than culture K, you'd need a nearsightedness of such a depth and resilience that I'm doubtful I'm prepared to dive into it.

What total, utter rubbish.

There are indicators of wellbeing that you can draw on to make general conclusions about the relative wellbeing of societies. Life expectancy, for one.

The life expectancy in Afghanistan is diabolical. This is an objective fact. It just is. Sorry. Not my fault. You go off on one about the "unique mix of issues" in Afghanistan, as if the historical reasons for Afghanistan's present-day failures have any bearing whatsoever on my argument, which is simply that there are facts that can be known about competing moral systems. Even if every single failure of that society can be excused, accounted for, etc, it is still objectively failing when compared to many other societies' indices of wellbeing. (And, in fairness, there may be indicators in which it scores well. I don't know of any, but I'm not ruling out the possibility.)

And OF COURSE Sweden has its own issues. Everywhere does. Of course they do, for fuck's sake! I'm not claiming otherwise! That doesn't mean that objective data isn't available. And it is just an insult for you to try and make out this is just down to some sort of western imperialist BS on my part.

There was a study done a couple of years back which tried to rank countries by their citizen's wellbeing (I can't remember the measures they used), and Bhutan came 7th - far higher than the UK or the US despite its relative poverty. Most societies probably score well on some indicators, and not so well on others. That is PRECISELY why gathering objective data on these things, with a view to improving the morality of our species, is both possible and worthwhile.

*Sigh* More of the same. [Why am I wasting my time?]http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x17/ ... epalm2.gif

This is all a complete change of topic. The discussion was about morality, systems concerned with "right" and "wrong" in place to reduce harm [this harm being real or imagined, Sweden's fear of male sexuality falling under the latter], and whether it is subjective or objective. How health & life expectancy comes into this, I have no idea. What next? Will you tell me American blacks are objectively less moral than American whites because they don't live as long? :think:

Just know that you come across as not only a dummy that can't tell the difference between objective and subjective, but also a hopeless cultural fascist.

Jesus Christ...for someone that takes such delight in criticising the emotional hysterics of the baboon board you really are sounding like one of them.

Look. Do you HONESTLY think data on, say, life expectancy is subjective? And it is nothing other than "cultural facism" to use that as one of many indicators of wellbeing of a society?

:angry-banghead:

Concerning baboons, their hysterics, threat narratives, and other phenomena: My use of cultural fascism here has little to do with emotion, much to do with your myopia.

I never claimed things like numbers and life expectancies were subjective, you're the one that sprung this shit up at the last minute! :lol: So, yeah, let's not pretend it was ever part of the discussion, or ever in my mind when I went on my [obviously wasted on you] spiel.

Anyways, I think it's clear we're done here. Your apparent attempt to goal shift to *health*, while you should've been trying to show that morality is [or can be] objective, is pretty much a fail.

Good day to you again, xir! :hand: