Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Continuation of the post at Abbie Smith's ERV blog (http://scienceblogs.com/erv/)

Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby John Greg » Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:02 pm  •  [Post 6501]

HAHAHA. This is rich. Commenter Anti Kultist comments on Toiletbowl's blog, in response to his Atheism is Not Enough panel, by saying (http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... ent-115461):

I think the premise for this hangout is very misguided. Reality is full of highly successful special interest groups that don’t have any plans to broaden their agenda.


And Toiletbowl responds:

The “invalid premise” was actually well argued from a number of our panelists as perfectly parsimonious with reality, so I’m not sure how much of the panel you actually watched.


My emphasis.

I think Toiletbowl needs to hide behind a bush and pull out a dreaded, heretical dictionary.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby John Greg » Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:03 pm  •  [Post 6502]

another lurker said:

Or one could have compassion for members of their 'tribe' and have absolutely no problems torturing and dehumanizing outsiders!


Yes, you're right; I hadn't thought about that.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby katamari Damassi » Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:11 pm  •  [Post 6503]

Just looked in on a Shakesville open thread. One commentor says she's bothered by something her rabi said. He's doing a habitat for humanity like thing in India and said he thought the experience of going would be "fullfilling". Other shakers have jumped in to validate her feelings. They accuse the rabi of othering those people, and almost of getting off on other people's poverty and pain. They really do seem to hold disdain for people who actually do something to try and help. I know McEwen considers her blog and tweets to be great activism, and what luck! She doesn't even have to get off the sofa. It's like they've reversed the concept of deeds over words.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Steersman » Sat Jul 20, 2013 8:15 pm  •  [Post 6504]

Skep tickle wrote:


From that article:

One of the commenters to the other link you posted pointed out that men are more represented at both ends of the curve in a number of areas (e.g. remedial math classes as well as high/early math achievement), however addressing the preponderance of men with low academic achievement, like addressing the preponderance of men in prison, doesn't seem to be on the radar screen of those eager, in the name of "equality", to raise the achievement & recognition of girls & women.

Indeed – curious, that. Privilege maybe? I seem to recollect pointing out that disparity in prison populations – about 10:1 in “favour” of men – several times on several different blogs in the last while, largely in support of either Pinker’s The Blank Slate or Shermer’s “… it’s more of a guy thing”. And the responses have been, in turns, amusing or rather astounding, a case of the latter being this comment by Giliell:
Giliell wrote:
Steersman wrote:And, out of curiosity, how in the hell do you manage to infer that I hate men because I suggest that that disparity [in prison population] – “it’s more of a guy thing” – “is a result of biology”.

That’s called sarcasm. It was a stab at people who constantly claim that feminists “just hate men” when I’d think that somebody who goes around telling that “criminal behaviour is more of a guy thing is biological” has a far worse concept of men than any feminist ever came up with.

As if thinking that making an observation about the greater number of guys in prison is entirely equivalent to asserting that, both inside and outside of prison, all of the guys are more violent than all of the gals. Apropos of which, something from Pinker’s The Blank Slate:
Pinker wrote:There can be little doubt that some individuals are constitutionally more prone to violence than others. Take men, for starters: across cultures, men kill men twenty to fourty times more often than women kill women. And the lion’s share of the killers are young men, between the ages of fifteen and thirty. Some young men, moreover, are more violent than others. According to one estimate, 7 percent of young men commit 79 percent of repeated violent offenses. [pg 315]

Haven’t checked to see whether the stats are exclusive of wars – I assume so – but I think it a bit of a stretch to argue that all of that is due entirely to culture and the environment.

However, I think that perspective of Giliell’s – not at all unique to her, I think – is a general consequence of a poor understanding of general statistics, of inferring that an attribute of one segment of the population must necessarily apply to all segments. However, one might suggest that that is a somewhat common failing rather akin to stereotyping – common manifestations being sexism and racism. Although one would think that anyone with a claim to “skeptic” should have a better handle on the concept than that.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Steersman » Sat Jul 20, 2013 8:28 pm  •  [Post 6505]

katamari Damassi wrote:Just looked in on a Shakesville open thread. One commentor says she's bothered by something her rabi said. He's doing a habitat for humanity like thing in India and said he thought the experience of going would be "fullfilling". Other shakers have jumped in to validate her feelings. They accuse the rabi of othering those people, and almost of getting off on other people's poverty and pain. They really do seem to hold disdain for people who actually do something to try and help. I know McEwen considers her blog and tweets to be great activism, and what luck! She doesn't even have to get off the sofa. It's like they've reversed the concept of deeds over words.

There is, maybe, some justification for at least thinking that that is a possibility. I remember someone - in a book review, I think - throwing some stones at some of the religious for "thinking that God put them on Earth to help the poor" but being at a loss to understand why "God" put them here in the first place. Apart from the questionable "logic" intrinsic to a religious outlook, I think it highlights the fact that there can be at least a self-serving element in the most altruistic actions we all engage in. The problems start to manifest themselves when the former vitiates the latter, when the tail starts wagging the dog.

Maybe McEwen and company are more cynical than they need to be.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby sacha » Sat Jul 20, 2013 9:01 pm  •  [Post 6506]

If I was living in a dirt hut without enough food, or clean water, I would not give a toss as to why someone was helping to build me a house.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby welch » Sat Jul 20, 2013 9:12 pm  •  [Post 6507]

sacha wrote:If I was living in a dirt hut without enough food, or clean water, I would not give a toss as to why someone was helping to build me a house.


Pretty much. "Hey, thank you for this. God told you to do it? Sounds awesome to me, let's get building."

But it's the same shit PZ talks about, wrt to christians, and christians talk about wrt non-christians. "Oh, those people aren't doing stuff for the same reasons we are, so you shouldn't take their help seriously or accept their help"

Fuck that. someone doing something to help someone out? That's awesome.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Hunt » Sat Jul 20, 2013 9:45 pm  •  [Post 6508]

For any fellow Merkins who think they live in a country of dawning enlightenment, I've got a bucket of ice water to throw in your face (the comments):

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/jesse-tyler-f ... eekly.html
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby welch » Sat Jul 20, 2013 9:54 pm  •  [Post 6509]

Hunt wrote:For any fellow Merkins who think they live in a country of dawning enlightenment, I've got a bucket of ice water to throw in your face (the comments):

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/jesse-tyler-f ... eekly.html


Wait, comments on news sites are stupid? WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN?
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby katamari Damassi » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:12 pm  •  [Post 6510]

katamari Damassi wrote:Just looked in on a Shakesville open thread. One commentor says she's bothered by something her rabi said. He's doing a habitat for humanity like thing in India and said he thought the experience of going would be "fullfilling". Other shakers have jumped in to validate her feelings. They accuse the rabi of othering those people, and almost of getting off on other people's poverty and pain. They really do seem to hold disdain for people who actually do something to try and help. I know McEwen considers her blog and tweets to be great activism, and what luck! She doesn't even have to get off the sofa. It's like they've reversed the concept of deeds over words.

Hmm.. Just realized I misspelled rabbi twice. Odd that spell check didn't catch that.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Badger3k » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:43 pm  •  [Post 6511]

ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:1) Why brain cells "especially"? "Regular damage" to any organ will kill.

2) You don't understand the word "poison". Table salt is essential for life. Its lack can kill in hours. It is also a poison; its usual timescale of effect just happen to be different from arsenic, cyanide, or whichever other Sherlockian compound you have in your little noggin. I think most of us can deal with the reality that acetaminophen (paracetamol) can turn from being a bringer of relief (a few hundred miligrams mitigating pain) to becoming a poison (several grams knocked back in an hour or two during a dark night of the soul).


Interesting. I would assume that he was familiar with the adage of the "does makes the poison" - just about anything can be toxic at high levels. It did make me look up what the effects are, and found a few interesting things I wasn't aware of.

general info on alcohols effect on the brain
and this one on alcohols effect on the brain, including this:
For decades scientists believed that the number of nerve cells in the adult brain was fixed early in life. If brain damage occurred, then, the best way to treat it was by strengthening the existing neurons, as new ones could not be added. In the 1960s, however, researchers found that new neurons are indeed generated in adulthood—a process called neurogenesis (29). These new cells originate from stem cells, which are cells that can divide indefinitely, renew themselves, and give rise to a variety of cell types. The discovery of brain stem cells and adult neurogenesis provides a new way of approaching the problem of alcohol–related changes in the brain and may lead to a clearer understanding of how best to treat and cure alcoholism (30).
For example, studies with animals show that high doses of alcohol lead to a disruption in the growth of new brain cells; scientists believe it may be this lack of new growth that results in the long–term deficits found in key areas of the brain (such as hippocampal structure and function) (31,32). Understanding how alcohol interacts with brain stem cells and what happens to these cells in alcoholics is the first step in establishing whether the use of stem cell therapies is an option for treatment (33).


I knew that brain cells regrew (or new ones were grown, to be specific), but not that alcohol inhibits this. If I remember correctly, it is partly a lack of oxygen due to the alcohol that can damage cells (that seems to be the case according to this.

The brain is the organ that is most affected by alcohol, and proves that it is being damaged through the drinker's behavior changes and emotional distress. Three noticeable effects of alcohol injury to the brain: memory loss, confusion, and augmentation. (Augmentation is a physiological response to alcohol which results in hyper-alertness to normal situations, perceiving light as brighter or sounds as louder than usual, or the drinker’s becoming extremely sad or angry for no apparent reason.) The drinker's rapid mood swings and emotional and behavioral instability can be brought under control by stopping drinking.

Blackouts, or loss of memory for a period during drinking, are a physical effect of alcohol on the brain. They occur as alcohol cuts off the supply of oxygen to the brain. Lack of oxygen supply to the brain can kill tens of thousands of brain cells every time a person becomes intoxicated.


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One effect of drinking alcohol is "blood-sludging" where the red blood cells clump together causing the small blood vessels to plug up, starve the tissues of oxygen, and cause cell death. This cell death is most serious, and often unrecognized, in the brain. With this increased pressure, capillaries break, create red eyes in the morning, or the red, blotchy skin seen on the heavy drinker's face. Blood vessels can also break in the stomach and esophagus leading to hemorrhage, even death.

Other effects of alcohol on the blood include: anemia; sedation of the bone marrow (which reduces the red and white blood count, and weakens the bone structure); lowered resistance to infection; and a decrease in the ability to fight off infections.


Maybe I don't have a doctorate in history, and I'm not an intellectual tour-de-force, but that seems to me to say that alcohol does lead to cell death. Am I missing something?
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Lsuoma » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:53 pm  •  [Post 6512]

katamari Damassi wrote:I know McEwen considers her blog and tweets to be great activism, and what luck! She doesn't even have to get off the sofa. It's like they've reversed the concept of deeds over words.

I'm sure the sofa doesn't feel like it's good luck...
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby AndrewV69 » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:59 pm  •  [Post 6513]

Just checking in. I managed to score Season One of Breaking Bad.

The opening scene for the start of the series had me going WTF is going on? Anyway, so far so good.

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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Badger3k » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:12 pm  •  [Post 6514]

A few good posts on people related to FfTB and SJWs by Emil Karlsson (Debunking Denialism):

The Anechoic Chamber of Greta Christina, looking at her post dealing with the Zimmerman case. He makes the same points others have made between moral and legal issues.

the other one is on Heather McNamara, partner to Zinnia Jones (I just realized I haven't seen her name anywhere associated with the Bradley Manning trial, so maybe the defense wised up and decided to keep her out of the courtroom). It is one the usual tactics of quote mining, strawmanning, etc that these people regularly do.

He also has a series of posts up about the scientific ignorance of Stasia Bliss, who is the senior editor of Health and Science at the Guardian Express, an online magazine. There are a bunch of posts, but the other links will get to his site and you can go from there. So far, I enjoy reading his posts and listening to what he says. A breath of fresh air after going trawling for lulz at FfTB.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:15 pm  •  [Post 6515]

bhoytony wrote:
bovarchist wrote:
ps Yeah, that's pretty much the way I've heard it pronounced too. Why, is it rhymes-with-otto?


It is where I come from, but that doesn't make it definitive, maybe we should ask an Italian. Who knows?


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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Badger3k » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:15 pm  •  [Post 6516]

Only guests right now? Crap, well, here's two posts in a row, I guess. Chris Clarke, despite the cloning of his posting and writing style, is not really a clone of PZ (unless we put on tinfoil hats and say PZ hired somebody to play him for the video...lol). His post is here.

Is it ok to do a PZ and say at first glance my first thought was "old hippie", my second was "unabomber"?
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:23 pm  •  [Post 6517]

Damn! Ninja'd by Decius!
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:40 pm  •  [Post 6518]

AndrewV69 wrote:Just checking in. I managed to score Season One of Breaking Bad.

The opening scene for the start of the series had me going WTF is going on? Anyway, so far so good.

Laters.


You're in for a great ride. Enjoy!
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby bovarchist » Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:01 am  •  [Post 6519]

AndrewV69 wrote:Just checking in. I managed to score Season One of Breaking Bad.

The opening scene for the start of the series had me going WTF is going on? Anyway, so far so good.

Laters.


Really? My first thought was "I thought that only happened to me."
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby AndrewV69 » Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:39 am  •  [Post 6520]

In other news, something in the water in Western Canada. More poster business:

Why are anti-feminist posters going up in Saskatoon and Edmonton?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the ... e13319742/
According to unnerving new reports, posters advocating for the rights of men have been turning up on streets in Saskatoon only one week after similar posters stirred up a controversy in Edmonton.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:45 am  •  [Post 6521]

Wait: the rights of men = anti-feminist? I've completely lost the plot.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby DownThunder » Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:37 am  •  [Post 6522]

Ive been curious about the phrase "anti-feminist" and its first appearances. Perhaps Andrew, who is most likely old, can help out.

Its a very all-or-nothing, us-vs-them idea. At most the posters put up by MRAs are targeting a specific claim that is made by feminists.

At least terms like "anti-vaxxer" makes sense in that vaccinations are a single topic and set of claims, but "anti-feminist" is starting to sound a lot like encouraging yoga classes is "anti-christian"....in short I get the impression that anti-feminists are a concept more likely to be an invention of feminists themselves.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:01 am  •  [Post 6523]

Victim creds, methink. Getting more and more popular.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Ape+lust » Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:18 am  •  [Post 6524]

DownThunder wrote:Ive been curious about the phrase "anti-feminist" and its first appearances. Perhaps Andrew, who is most likely old, can help out.

Its a very all-or-nothing, us-vs-them idea. At most the posters put up by MRAs are targeting a specific claim that is made by feminists.

At least terms like "anti-vaxxer" makes sense in that vaccinations are a single topic and set of claims, but "anti-feminist" is starting to sound a lot like encouraging yoga classes is "anti-christian"....in short I get the impression that anti-feminists are a concept more likely to be an invention of feminists themselves.


There have always been anti-feminists. Phyllis Schlafly for one. She's been at it for over 40 years.

But when you hear "anti-feminist" from the narcissistic SJW types, then yeah, they're not talking about her, they're talking about anyone who won't shut up and roll to their whims. The same way they spray "misogynist" in all directions when they're annoyed. If you mean those feminists, they certainly use it indiscriminately to get the upper hand.

Greta Christina wrote:"Have you considered the possibility that you’re treated the way you are because not being a feminist is reprehensible?"

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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby DownThunder » Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:47 am  •  [Post 6525]

Im aware of people like Schalfly, even others that define themselves as "anti-feminist", I guess what I am wondering is if that is a term that has been given to them and they've stuck with it. Its odd to define yourself in such a way (ie anti-anything) because you are willingly slaving your identity to another group. There was a time when there was no word such as slymepitter, nor was it a word invented by the people here, but now it seems to have stuck.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:31 am  •  [Post 6526]

I like Slymepitter. In contrast to FTB "thinking", it describes us pretty well, IMO...
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:32 am  •  [Post 6527]

Of note: I've always played Chaotic Evil.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Metalogic42 » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:06 am  •  [Post 6528]

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Of note: I've always played Chaotic Evil.


You look Chaotic Sexy in that coat.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Eskarina » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:07 am  •  [Post 6529]

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Other good show (although it takes the pilot + few episodes to get hooked) is the defunct Space: Above And Beyond. I can't recommend it enough to sci-fy fans.


That was an excellent show, only partly because I was lusting after McQueen. :D

Around the time it was aired over here, I got my first internet connection and made my first acquaintance with fanfic because of the show.


And since we were watching Six Feet Under tonight, with the swinger party episode in season two: Yeah, have to agree. Fucking tanks, they rock!


Not having seen that series (yet), I'm at a bit of a loss here. :think:
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:14 am  •  [Post 6530]

Eskarina wrote:

Not having seen that series (yet), I'm at a bit of a loss here. :think:


James Morrison (McQueen) Plays a swinger in that episode: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0702026/

Metalogic: considering your avatar, I feel Chaotic Shit-scared right now. Might be just me, though...
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Metalogic42 » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:29 am  •  [Post 6531]

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Eskarina wrote:

Not having seen that series (yet), I'm at a bit of a loss here. :think:


James Morrison (McQueen) Plays a swinger in that episode: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0702026/

Metalogic: considering your avatar, I feel Chaotic Shit-scared right now. Might be just me, though...


Maybe it's time for a change. :lol:
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Walter Ego » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:54 am  •  [Post 6532]

Guest wrote:yes but that's meaningless when compared to the first real visible male firebrand atheist activists like Madalyn Murray O'Hair


Madalyn Murray O'Hair was male? That's news to me!
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby GangstaDan » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:54 am  •  [Post 6533]

So, did anyone see the articles about FFRF protesting a holocaust memorial with a star of david on it? That's pretty fucking retarded, given that if anything the star of david is an ethnic symbol, and moreover, jews were forced to wear it during their extermination to distinguish them on ethnic grounds. The jewish star in the context of the holocaust has nothing to do with the jewish religion and everything to do with the jewish people who were murdered by the Nazis
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby BarnOwl » Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:24 am  •  [Post 6534]

Badger3k wrote:Only guests right now? Crap, well, here's two posts in a row, I guess. Chris Clarke, despite the cloning of his posting and writing style, is not really a clone of PZ (unless we put on tinfoil hats and say PZ hired somebody to play him for the video...lol). His post is here.

Is it ok to do a PZ and say at first glance my first thought was "old hippie", my second was "unabomber"?


I watched part of their "environmental activism" session, and it was much less annoying than the risowtow video. I get the impression that Chris Clarke fancies himself quite the independent field scientist though, without any need to use the methodology that other ecologists and field biologists consider SOP. He presents a lot of information and observations as facts, but it's difficult to know what is simply his observation, and what has been documented by actual field research.

Clarke is also very opposed to renewable energy installations in the desert Southwest, on the grounds that such facilities will interfere with (speculated) animal migrations in response to climate change. Clearly, Merkins are not going to reduce their energy use, and the (human) population in the southwestern US continues to increase, so I'd like to know WTF he proposes as an alternative to increasing solar and wind power installations. More coal-fired power plants? No thanks!

The session had very little, if anything, to do with environmental activism.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Apples » Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:35 am  •  [Post 6535]

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:[Scrubs], has anybody mentioned [Scrubs] yet? This show (until season 6 at least) helped me go through a period of great depression where I was considering ending my life. I still re-watch it all regularily. The Janitor is probably my favorite character, closely followed by Perry Cox.


I've been rewatching Scrubs on Netflix. It's impressive when people make a surrealist slapstick comedy that is also dramatic and emotionally engaging. Amusing when they acknowledge other medical shows - "Oh, I do love Grey's Anatomy. It's like they've been watching our lives and then just put it on TV," and "Oh Perry, you are so edgy and cantankerous; like House without the limp."

Sometimes when I read a welch rant I imagine it is Dr. Cox.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Gumby » Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:15 am  •  [Post 6536]

Apples wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:[Scrubs], has anybody mentioned [Scrubs] yet? This show (until season 6 at least) helped me go through a period of great depression where I was considering ending my life. I still re-watch it all regularily. The Janitor is probably my favorite character, closely followed by Perry Cox.


I've been rewatching Scrubs on Netflix. It's impressive when people make a surrealist slapstick comedy that is also dramatic and emotionally engaging. Amusing when they acknowledge other medical shows - "Oh, I do love Grey's Anatomy. It's like they've been watching our lives and then just put it on TV," and "Oh Perry, you are so edgy and cantankerous; like House without the limp."

Sometimes when I read a welch rant I imagine it is Dr. Cox.


Overall, Scrubs was excellent, and I've seen every episode courtesy Netflix. The final season, though, was an abomination and never should have happened.

Dr. Perry Cox is one of my all-time favorite TV characters.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Gumby » Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:21 am  •  [Post 6537]

Badger3k wrote:A few good posts on people related to FfTB and SJWs by Emil Karlsson (Debunking Denialism):

The Anechoic Chamber of Greta Christina, looking at her post dealing with the Zimmerman case. He makes the same points others have made between moral and legal issues.


My contribution to the comments there:

A good article, although I think you got a bit too speculative with regards to possible reasons for her selective application of reason, such as the death of her father.

I am a former fan who became very disappointed with the core group of FtB bloggers for many of the same reasons you are disappointed with Greta Christina. Between their willingness to brush aside skepticism whenever it is convenient for them to do so, their (including their almost cult-like following of rabid commenters) vicious treatment of anyone who – no matter how reasonably and calmly – disagrees with the proclaimed status quo, and their religiously fervent belief that they are 100% absolutely in the right when it comes to their ideas on social justice, the very name “FreethoughtBlogs” has become a stunning example of Orwellian doublespeak.

Myers, Benson, Thibeault, Zvan and Christina have completely dumped skepticism and reason in favor of emotionally charged social justice dogma, yet continue to associate their irrational tactics and behavior with the concepts of skepticism and reason because of the atheo-skeptic community they’re trying to influence. I don’t know what’s worse – the fact that these people do what they do, or the fact so many people in the community eagerly dump their own skepticism and reason in order to follow these ideologues.

Looking at what is going on at FreethoughtBlogs, some lessons can be learned. First, it can be seen that it doesn’t take religion for people to act in dogmatic and cultish ways. Second, it’s clear that being an atheist does not make you any smarter or less susceptible to B.S. than theists. And third, the FtB debacle has shown that many self-described “skeptics” have very little idea what skepticism actually is – which you so effectively demonstrated with your above post. Skepticism is hard, because you can’t just be skeptical about easy targets like Bigfoot and homeopathy – you have to weigh the evidence and come to logical conclusions about everything, including things that are near and dear to your heart. The core group of FtB bloggers has completely lost that ability, and it’s distressing to me that they have as much influence as they do. The final lesson learned? The atheist and skeptic communities have a long way to go. We’re not as mature as we thought we were.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Karmakin » Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:42 am  •  [Post 6538]

Skep tickle wrote:


From that article:
The unbiased look at the data shows that females do as well as males in math for the first time in history, a terrific achievement. Women get more Ph.D.'s than men and not only are women hired for faculty positions as often as male counterparts, they are hired more.

Yet because the gross numbers are still less, it must still be a problem and the BBC once again spares no effort in being cultural busybodies and try to make the case with no real data at all. Hannah Richardson, BBC News education reporter, even invokes a James Bond movie with a female scientist in it from 1979 so you get the message properly framed for you...

One of the commenters to the other link you posted pointed out that men are more represented at both ends of the curve in a number of areas (e.g. remedial math classes as well as high/early math achievement), however addressing the preponderance of men with low academic achievement, like addressing the preponderance of men in prison, doesn't seem to be on the radar screen of those eager, in the name of "equality", to raise the achievement & recognition of girls & women.


Well, my previous post yesterday was taking the assumption that there was a gender gap in terms of new hiring. Which there obviously isn't according to that article. So I guess I should have mentioned that :p That said, I do think that threat narratives hurt more than they help.

And just to make it clear, my stance in terms of biological based intellectual differences between the genders is basically what's quoted there. Men tend to be more "extreme" at the poles, women tend to be more moderate. But I don't think it makes that much of a difference in most cases. At the very least it tells us basically nothing about any individual outcome.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby katamari Damassi » Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:21 am  •  [Post 6539]

Metalogic42 wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Of note: I've always played Chaotic Evil.


You look Chaotic Sexy in that coat.

Also like the new avatar pic. You look like you just left a series of clues in that museum to whatever nefarious scheme you're hatching.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby katamari Damassi » Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:31 am  •  [Post 6540]

GangstaDan wrote:So, did anyone see the articles about FFRF protesting a holocaust memorial with a star of david on it? That's pretty fucking retarded, given that if anything the star of david is an ethnic symbol, and moreover, jews were forced to wear it during their extermination to distinguish them on ethnic grounds. The jewish star in the context of the holocaust has nothing to do with the jewish religion and everything to do with the jewish people who were murdered by the Nazis

Interesting point. That aside though, I have a dislike of these monuments any way. Excuse me while I go all SJW for a minute, but it seems like so many large American cities have one of these(Boston's is terrific BTW). It's a monument about a European event that effected not that many Americans. Baltimore even has a Katyn Forrest massacre memorial, probably because the polish-americans said "You've got a holocaust memorial why can't we have one of our own?" Yet how many American cities have American Indian genocide memorials, or slavery memorials?
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Kareem » Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:39 am  •  [Post 6541]

sacha wrote:Dawkins, Gervais, and Pat Condell all tweet a link to Dillhunty's blog post on how to be an atheist without being a dick...

... I've been gone too long.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby debaser71 » Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:55 am  •  [Post 6542]

Someone should write an article about how to be an SJW without being a cunt.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Walter Ego » Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:19 am  •  [Post 6543]

katamari Damassi wrote:[H]ow many American cities have American Indian genocide memorials, or slavery memorials?


There's a memorial to the brave confederate soldiers who fought for the South in the Civil War right on the main drag downtown in beautiful Augusta, Ga. where I live (at the EconoLodge on 15th Street if anyone wants to stop by).

Every southern town has a Confederate memorial and slavery memorials are not uncommon in the larger southern towns since the Civil Rights Era. Augusta has one, not to mention a memorial to Augusta native James Brown, the Godfather of Soul.

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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Karmakin » Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:23 am  •  [Post 6544]

debaser71 wrote:Someone should write an article about how to be an SJW without being a cunt.


Well by definition if you're an SJW you're an asshole, but there are ways to actually do social justice without that.

#1. Focus on problems and potential solutions, not identity.

#2. Don't demand that other people live up to standards that you're unwilling to do so yourself or you're unwilling to enforce on your tribe.

#3. Recognize that complete elimination of any given problem is basically impossible...progress is the goal here.

#4. Recognize that for any given problem, you yourself might be part of said problem.

#5. Recognize that power dynamics go in multiple directions, even simultaneously.

#6. Stop the privilege seeking and the focus on the apex.

And yeah. That's what I can think of for now.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby debaser71 » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:01 am  •  [Post 6545]

hmmm supposedly the 9/11 Memorial and Museum in NYC has whole sections dedicated to various genocides. But the only information I can find on this comes from right wing ranters about how anti-white and anti-christian it is.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422800/posts
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Lsuoma » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:08 am  •  [Post 6546]

debaser71 wrote:hmmm supposedly the 9/11 Memorial and Museum in NYC has whole sections dedicated to various genocides. But the only information I can find on this comes from right wing ranters about how anti-white and anti-christian it is.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422800/posts

Here in WA State we have Gospodor's Monument Park.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby mikelf » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:16 am  •  [Post 6547]

katamari Damassi wrote:Yet how many American cities have American Indian genocide memorials, or slavery memorials?


There are all sorts of Native American heritage memorials, exhibits and museums in Oklahoma

Heck, this is the first thing you see when you enter the National Cowboy and Western Heritage Museum:

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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Lsuoma » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:20 am  •  [Post 6548]

Potential incoming Eucliwoo warning. Just getting a feeling in my water...
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:21 am  •  [Post 6549]

mikelf wrote:
katamari Damassi wrote:Yet how many American cities have American Indian genocide memorials, or slavery memorials?


There are all sorts of Native American heritage memorials, exhibits and museums in Oklahoma

Heck, this is the first thing you see when you enter the National Cowboy and Western Heritage Museum:

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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Walter Ego » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:26 am  •  [Post 6550]

debaser71 wrote:hmmm supposedly the 9/11 Memorial and Museum in NYC has whole sections dedicated to various genocides.


Hmmm... I used to deal face to face with 9/11 truthers. I wonder how many of these SJWs are truthers or conspiratards? Isn't saying 19 Arab hijackers did 9/11 racist?
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby GangstaDan » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:35 am  •  [Post 6551]

katamari Damassi wrote:
GangstaDan wrote:So, did anyone see the articles about FFRF protesting a holocaust memorial with a star of david on it? That's pretty fucking retarded, given that if anything the star of david is an ethnic symbol, and moreover, jews were forced to wear it during their extermination to distinguish them on ethnic grounds. The jewish star in the context of the holocaust has nothing to do with the jewish religion and everything to do with the jewish people who were murdered by the Nazis

Interesting point. That aside though, I have a dislike of these monuments any way. Excuse me while I go all SJW for a minute, but it seems like so many large American cities have one of these(Boston's is terrific BTW). It's a monument about a European event that effected not that many Americans. Baltimore even has a Katyn Forrest massacre memorial, probably because the polish-americans said "You've got a holocaust memorial why can't we have one of our own?" Yet how many American cities have American Indian genocide memorials, or slavery memorials?


What happened to the American Indians was a tragedy, but you will not find many people beyond the now-discredited Ward Churchill (the idiot who called the victims on september 11th little eichmanns) who would classify the indian depopulation to be genocidal. Huge percentages (90% or more) of the indian population were dead before they ever made direct contact with europeans.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby free thoughtpolice » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:47 am  •  [Post 6552]

sacha wrote:If I was living in a dirt hut without enough food, or clean water, I would not give a toss as to why someone was helping to build me a house.


That is until you discover their aid manual, "To Serve Sacha" is in fact... A COOKBOOK!!! :o
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Walter Ego » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:58 am  •  [Post 6553]

GangstaDan wrote:What happened to the American Indians was a tragedy, but you will not find many people beyond the now-discredited Ward Churchill (the idiot who called the victims on september 11th little eichmanns) who would classify the indian depopulation to be genocidal. Huge percentages (90% or more) of the indian population were dead before they ever made direct contact with europeans.


Churchill is not a complete idiot and he got a raw deal from the regents in Colorado (assuming you believe in academic freedom). He has some cogent things to say from a far left perspective. He's made me rethink some of my political views which is more than I can say about some of the more notable reich-wing bloviators.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Matt Cavanaugh » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:18 am  •  [Post 6554]

Only a complete idiot would not recognize Ward Churchill as a charlatan, a pretendian, and an academic fraud.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Walter Ego » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:22 am  •  [Post 6555]

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:Only a complete idiot would not recognize Ward Churchill as a charlatan, a pretendian, and an academic fraud.


Generic ad hom. Just what I expected from "the Pit." Go fuck yourself while I fuck your mother.
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Matt Cavanaugh » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:22 am  •  [Post 6556]

So, did anyone see the articles about FFRF protesting a holocaust memorial with a star of david on it? That's pretty fucking retarded, given that if anything the star of david is an ethnic symbol, and moreover, jews were forced to wear it during their extermination to distinguish them on ethnic grounds. The jewish star in the context of the holocaust has nothing to do with the jewish religion and everything to do with the jewish people who were murdered by the Nazis



http://ffrf.org/news/news-releases/item ... io-capitol

Is it the First Amendment you find "pretty fucking retarded", the concern over setting a legal precedent allowing the display of religious symbols on state property, or that this annoys those who seek to undermine Separation of Church & State?

Or are you saying it's "pretty fucking retarded" to not believe that the Star of David magically loses all religious connotation when used on a holocaust memorial? Is it retarded to even mention that 5 million non-jews also died?
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:23 am  •  [Post 6557]

Didn't Churchill help the UK win WWII or something?

/defusing

(ps: never heard of that guy you're talking about)
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Skep tickle » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:24 am  •  [Post 6558]

Lsuoma wrote:Potential incoming Eucliwoo warning. Just getting a feeling in my water...


A good antibiotic should be able to clear that up for you.
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Postby Aneris » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:38 am  •  [Post 6559]

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:I like Slymepitter. In contrast to FTB "thinking", it describes us pretty well, IMO...


The FTBCon's critical thinking panel was very good. Of course, I didn't have any FTBullies in there. If Brayton just applied it to his own site, he would be horrified. At one point, around minute 29, he talks about labelling an opposition in order to dismiss their arguments outright. And tribalism also comes up, too. I don't know if it is some sort of doublethink, or if he's aware of the implications regards the current state of the affairs.

Contexts aside, it provides a very good overview of the topic.

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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Matt Cavanaugh » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:41 am  •  [Post 6560]

Karmakin wrote:... there are ways to actually do social justice without that.

#1. Focus on problems and potential solutions, not identity.


But, but ... solving the problem would leave them with nothing to crusade against!
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby rpguest » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:49 am  •  [Post 6561]

Walter Ego wrote:
Guest wrote:yes but that's meaningless when compared to the first real visible male firebrand atheist activists like Madalyn Murray O'Hair

Madalyn Murray O'Hair was male? That's news to me!

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Postby Matt Cavanaugh » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:50 am  •  [Post 6562]

Walter Ego wrote:Generic ad hom. Just what I expected from "the Pit." Go fuck yourself while I fuck your mother.


Wouldn't this be an ad mom-inem attack?

What say we agree to ignore each other from now on, m'kay?
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby another lurker » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:52 am  •  [Post 6563]

Speaking of tv, apparently this is a good show:

Orphan Black

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2234222/
A streetwise hustler witnesses the suicide of a girl who looks just like her and falls headlong into a deadly mystery.

Haven't seen it yet, but I'll put it on my list. Looks interesting
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Walter Ego » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:55 am  •  [Post 6564]

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Didn't Churchill help the UK win WWII or something?

/defusing

(ps: never heard of that guy you're talking about)


wiki


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_Churchill
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Re: Shall Mr Vacula Make a Misstep in the Capital of Eire?

Postby Aneris » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:58 am  •  [Post 6565]

sacha wrote:
Tony Parsehole wrote:
sacha wrote:
I watched about 3 episodes of Breaking Bad and binned it.



Burn the heretic!!!!!


bloody hell, I said I'd try it again, and Dexter as well, cheers Aneris.


Burn me too. My SO still likes to watch it, but I stopped after season one or so. I can see that it's obviously very good, but just not my taste. It was a bit too gut wrenching for me. There were also one or two episodes that were just too slow. Plus I found it a tad too bleak, even if it is often used for black humour.
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