I prefer the more expanded version:Saint N. wrote: and lest we forget,
http://i48.tinypic.com/4qpmjb.jpg
http://www.michaelgray.com.au/Resources ... ropped.png
As it lists their priorities in order.
I'll drop this in the images thread, I think.
I prefer the more expanded version:Saint N. wrote: and lest we forget,
http://i48.tinypic.com/4qpmjb.jpg
There's nothing new under the recreational drug-sun that the Butthole Surfers haven't tried.franc wrote:You need a high end stereo, pitch darkness and LSD to really appreciate.
I can imagine Jen dressed in a My Little Pony costume (carrying a weapon, of course - http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... pocalypse/),Za-zen wrote:A+theism.... It is had said many times before, you just can't parody these fuckwits, the reality is always more absurd.
Lets expand on Myers analogy, this party is the atheist party, and fine myers and his morons go off to the library for their circle jerk because they don't appreciate socialising with the unclean, but can they stay in the fucking library? No. The bastards start whining to the host about all the horrible people who are at the party wanting them kicked out, in order to make it a nicer party, start threatening the host that they'll ruin the party if their demands for a nicer party aren't met, they start demanding the other attendees keep the noise down, they are all in fancy dress, and think everyone else should be in fancy dress. They are told the fancy dress party is in the house down the road, and really if they don't like the party they should fuck off to it, but they insist all partys should be fancy dress.
http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2011/07 ... comic-con/â€... it’s troubling that with boundless opportunities for playful dress, most women at conventions end up as “variations of pin-up girl.†...
One reason the sexualized objectification of women in cosplay cannot be easily written off with be-whoever-you-want-to-be or dress-however-you-want-to-dress mantras is that sexual harassment of women cosplayers at cons is rampant. While all people should be able to dress as they wish without fear of sexual harassment or violence, the longstanding tactic of using the women’s bodies as commodified objects at cons creates an atmosphere in which real-life women are treated as if they are comic book characters ripe for the handling. Disturbingly misogynistic blogs featuring galleries of women cosplayers further illustrate this way of thinking.
This attitude is no doubt amplified by the omnipresence of paid cosplayers. Scantily clad, often very young women (and even girls) acting as “bodies for hire†were everywhere amongst the throngs of people, passing out ads or serving as human advertisements for upcoming films. What almost naked women with fake torpedo breasts have to do with films such as the forthcoming Total Recall is unclear. Here and elsewhere, the marketing tactic seemed to be “use hot women to lure people in, regardless of what we are trying to sell.â€
One thing that struck me over the course of the weekend is how quickly it starts to feel “normal†to see women’s bodies on fetishized display. If I, a card-carrying feminist, become somewhat immune over the course of four days, what does the constant onslaught of female sexual objectification in the wider culture do to people over years?"
"Hooligans" with Tourette's Syndrome who also have a neurological disorder that renders them unable to control their own limbs are being oppressed, shunned, and discriminated against by members of Atheism Plus....hooligans who wander about calling everyone “cunts†and slapping derrieres and telling women to stop being so sensitive, it was only a quick fondle...
I am a firm believer in dismissing relatively minor (especially WAH SOMEONE CALLED ME A CUNT) problems on account of worse problems existing.Ms. Ogynist wrote:LOL, an anti-Dawkins rule!Don't dismiss people's problems by appealing to greater problems: For almost every problem, it is possible to find a substantially worse problem. This should not be used, however, to dismiss the original problem. For example, the plight of women under the Taliban is absolutely dreadful, but this doesn't mean that any problem faced by a western woman is trivial.
Let's call it Rebecca's Law.
Ha! Talk about framing.ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote: And talk about a loaded fucking statement:
(My bolds).Don't change the topic to less severe problems: If a particular problem is being discussed, it is dismissive to generalise this into a conversation about less severe problems. Such problems may also be very important, but they should be discussed elsewhere. For example, a discussion about female genital mutilation should not degenerate into a debate about the morality of male circumcision.
wutdustbubble wrote:Being old white and garbage, I've discovered that most of my peers are profoundly leery about all forms of miso
even more so than they are of the vile nam pla
Don't ever feel the need to explain your 'what am I doingness'. Whenever that question has been thrown my way there has always been a hook in the bait.gooby wrote:
And, in case anyone is wondering what I'M doing to tackle the world's great problems, well, let's say I have a plan to reduce carbon emissions in my country that involves chemistry. Beyond that I can't say too much. Trade secrets.
Generally speaking, I just don't bother dealing with FfTB smuggots and their ilk anymore.Mr Danksworth wrote:Don't ever feel the need to explain your 'what am I doingness'. Whenever that question has been thrown my way there has always been a hook in the bait.gooby wrote:
And, in case anyone is wondering what I'M doing to tackle the world's great problems, well, let's say I have a plan to reduce carbon emissions in my country that involves chemistry. Beyond that I can't say too much. Trade secrets.
brown sauce, yum. That and Branston Pickle are a bit easier to find here in full size, and the price is not insolent, as it is for Marmite.Tigzy wrote:Marmite's okay - sometimes I like it, sometimes I don't - but when it comes to pungent brown condiments, this tops the lot:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_25fOuKxZ2OY/S ... auce,0.jpg
I laugh at all those people overseas, who have never had a bacon and brown sauce sandwich.
NIce!gooby wrote: Bottom line is I'll be getting shit done (when I'm good and ready—a lot of preparation is involved in my case); they'll be jerking off until the coffin dips...
...and pink things, and tiaras, and Robert Pattinson, and diamonds, and rainbows and such.And there’s a General Chat section on the Forum, to talk about whatever you wan with others who share the values of Atheism Plus. Cats, skeet shooting, Project Runway… whatever.
I'd rather see a band that can't play but tries than virtuosos going through the motions.BarnOwl wrote:There's nothing new under the recreational drug-sun that the Butthole Surfers haven't tried.franc wrote:You need a high end stereo, pitch darkness and LSD to really appreciate.
And a lot of hardcore punk is fucking horrible ... some of the reasons for that are described in The Decline of Western Civilization.
"Didn't know how to play their instruments" applied to the Germs, for example. I think poor Darby Crash died without ever learning.
Which is why I love it.BarnOwl wrote:And a lot of hardcore punk is fucking horrible ...
Which is why I love it 2.BarnOwl wrote:And a lot of hardcore punk is fucking horrible ...
I'm going to pull a SulryAmy and cry that their attempt to create a A+theism forum is harassment against us, because we had the idea first. Theirs is a fake forum! A fake forum I say!!! We are the only ones who can have a legit forum in this discussion, because...reasons and shit...also my feeling. Why are they harassing us like this by making this obviously fakeGreta Christina wrote:And there’s a General Chat section on the Forum, to talk about whatever you wan with others who share the values of Atheism Plus. Cats, skeet shooting, Project Runway… whatever.
So A+ is open to conscientious Christians and Muslims?But in any case, the revised conclusion makes even more clear that I am talking about marginalizing a group of people within the atheist movement (I am thus not talking about chucking non-atheists into the sewers–plenty of non-atheists are fully on board with the actual values of Atheism+) and that I am not talking about defining whether you are “in†or “out†by adopting any label (what you call yourself doesn’t matter), but by whether you thumbs-up or thumbs-down the values of Atheism+ (which even a conscientious Christian or Muslim could do).
Perhaps the code monkey responsible was a hardcore Python fan (I say hardcore, because I wasn't aware of their S******i gag until just now, and I'm a fan.)Michael K Gray wrote: (This blog software actually auto-censors the word S E M P R I N I !!)
My comment from the previous thread is still in limbo.rayshul wrote:OMFG I love Richard Carrier he's fucking HILARIOUS. He's the gift that keeps shitting into its own mouth.
Perhaps the code is written in the pooter language Python?real horrorshow wrote:Perhaps the code monkey responsible was a hardcore Python fan (I say hardcore, because I wasn't aware of their S******i gag until just now, and I'm a fan.)Michael K Gray wrote: (This blog software actually auto-censors the word S E M P R I N I !!)
Alternatively, it may be because 'S******i' is an anagram of 'penis rim' and we all know that (functioning) penises, and those who possess them, are bad. Check your organs of privilege at the door.
Dick Strawkins wrote:From Carriers latest (there's so much there I have to triage this one first)
So A+ is open to conscientious Christians and Muslims?But in any case, the revised conclusion makes even more clear that I am talking about marginalizing a group of people within the atheist movement (I am thus not talking about chucking non-atheists into the sewers–plenty of non-atheists are fully on board with the actual values of Atheism+) and that I am not talking about defining whether you are “in†or “out†by adopting any label (what you call yourself doesn’t matter), but by whether you thumbs-up or thumbs-down the values of Atheism+ (which even a conscientious Christian or Muslim could do).
It's just atheists they plan to hate?
In fact I think he is making a good point. If I were a Christian or Muslim I would be over the moon at this whole Social Justice Warrior assault on New Atheism.
Greta Christinher, or Pope PZed?Mr Danksworth wrote:That's a bit of a 180 from his diatribe earlier this week. From the outside it looks like his handler has him by the balls.
Maybe you were commenting from an ethnic neighbourhoodMichael K Gray wrote:My comment from the previous thread is still in limbo.rayshul wrote:OMFG I love Richard Carrier he's fucking HILARIOUS. He's the gift that keeps shitting into its own mouth.
The lying cunt says it is because he is busy.
4 days+ now, and others have passed muster.
I have no idea. Both mental images give me nightmares. I still have a glimmer of hope that he turns out to be a deep cover operative...the whole situation is too Poe.Michael K Gray wrote:Greta Christinher, or Pope PZed?Mr Danksworth wrote:That's a bit of a 180 from his diatribe earlier this week. From the outside it looks like his handler has him by the balls.
Now I know I'm just an old Dictionary Atheist, but what we have here - gospel according to Carrier - is a form of atheism which excludes huge numbers of atheists, but includes a large number of theists. Is that right?rayshul wrote:OMFG I love Richard Carrier he's fucking HILARIOUS. He's the gift that keeps shitting into its own mouth.
So, we have a development in Baboon Newspeak. PeeZus has told us that simply not believing in gods doesn't make you an atheist. Now, we go further. Now, believing in gods is no obstacle to being an Atheist+. I am tempted to quote Inigo Montoya at this point. Instead, I will point to one of the 'values of Atheism+' which Carrier lays down:But in any case, the revised conclusion makes even more clear that I am talking about marginalizing a group of people within the atheist movement (I am thus not talking about chucking non-atheists into the sewers–plenty of non-atheists are fully on board with the actual values of Atheism+) and that I am not talking about defining whether you are “in†or “out†by adopting any label (what you call yourself doesn’t matter), but by whether you thumbs-up or thumbs-down the values of Atheism+ (which even a conscientious Christian or Muslim could do).
Isn't this going to create a bit of a problem for Carrier's - yet to be recruited - Christian and Muslim Atheist+ers? If other Atheist+ers get all 'skeptical' about their gods, it might cause a bit of a rift, might it not?We care about applying skeptical, evidence-based reasoning to everything, not just god stuff, or UFOs, or [insert special interest here]: I will assume I don’t need to explain why a commitment to reasonableness and integrity (as well as compassion) entails we should all be on board with “critical thinking and skepticism,†so I won’t insult your intelligence by making any further defense of that.
So, okay, you can be an Atheist+ if you believe in gods or ufos, provided you are 'on board with “critical thinking and skepticismâ€', though you needn't apply “critical thinking and skepticism†to your own pet irrationalities, if you don't want to.This does not mean, however, that you personally should give up focusing most of your attention on the god stuff or UFO stuff or homeopathy or whatever drives your interest and your passion and lines up best with your skillset and resources.
You can be an Atheist+ even if you're a ufo-worshipper or god-watcher, providing you agree with their values, including “critical thinking and skepticismâ€, but you don't have to apply those values to your own beliefs, though, if you don't they'll do it for you. (And you might be an "asshole")Do you agree it is a good idea for the atheist community in general to focus skeptical, evidence-based reasoning on everything we can, and not just on narrow domains of inquiry and assertion to the total exclusion of all else–or do you think we should not ever, in any venue, apply skeptical, evidence-based reasoning to other matters? If you are in the latter camp, you might not be an asshole, but you are certainly committed to being irrational. And we’ll tell you so.
Yeah, I'll stick with that one I think.a·the·ist
   [ey-thee-ist]
noun
a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.
Does he not realize that we can see through all this bullshit.If not, then you are an asshole. And you are definitely thumbing-down Atheism+. We are done with you. You are not one of us. You can go start your own clubs and have your own conferences.
I think there is a skepchick conference or it's part of some other larger comic conference or something, but apart from that is there a major conference organized by the FTBers?We are done with you. You are not one of us. You can go start your own clubs and have your own conferences.
So you have both a teacup and a lightsaber? Approved!Philip of Tealand wrote:I really should go away more and then come back - cos each time I do the proportion of Crazy just gets better and better!
Fantastic podcast Justin, really nice to hear something so down to Earth and reasonable
Cheers all, hopefully the avatar is approved of, I did my best to capture a good likeness!
Teasaber, I can't be the kind of misogynist I am without it.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Philip of Tealand wrote:So you have both a teacup and a lightsaber? Approved!
Thank fuck it is not a CoffeeSabre!Philip of Tealand wrote:Teasaber
Well, Myers has nothing to do all day, every day.KarlVonMox wrote: Its funny isnt it. Many of them claim they would never, ever read this forum - yet someone almost certainly is.
Apart from finishing his book that he fraudulently took a paid sabbatical to supposedly complete, of course.dustbubble wrote:Well, Myers has nothing to do all day, every day.
I still can't believe that was "harrassment". Lots of people talk to me in the street. Like, every day.Philip of Tealand wrote:Teasaber, I can't be the kind of misogynist I am without it.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Philip of Tealand wrote:So you have both a teacup and a lightsaber? Approved!
I usually bring it out when women are around and I need to ask their names on buses.
Nah, that's Old Greg Laden you're thinking of.rayshul wrote:Then again, what do I know, maybe her next door neighbour yells "SHOW US EM TITTIES" at her every time she passes his house.
If that is the case then lock me up - I joke and talk with complete strangers all the time - they don't seem to run screaming, some of the crazier even laugh and smile - I must be doing harassment badly or somethingrayshul wrote:I still can't believe that was "harrassment". Lots of people talk to me in the street. Like, every day.Philip of Tealand wrote:Teasaber, I can't be the kind of misogynist I am without it.Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Philip of Tealand wrote:So you have both a teacup and a lightsaber? Approved!
I usually bring it out when women are around and I need to ask their names on buses.
I recently read a bit of twittershit with someone taking notes on how often people were harrassed because of their gender. One woman said she was harrassed every time she went outside, even if she had her kids around. I can't quite get my head around that because she lived in the same area I used to live.
I'm wondering if this is just a complete misunderstanding of how human interaction works. Like maybe my friendly "hello, nice day," is someone else's harrassment.
Board admin defines word censorship.real horrorshow wrote:Perhaps the code monkey responsible was a hardcore Python fan (I say hardcore, because I wasn't aware of their S******i gag until just now, and I'm a fan.)Michael K Gray wrote: (This blog software actually auto-censors the word S E M P R I N I !!)
Alternatively, it may be because 'S******i' is an anagram of 'penis rim' and we all know that (functioning) penises, and those who possess them, are bad. Check your organs of privilege at the door.
Derren Brown: I'm getting an A, or an A+...rayshul wrote:I still can't believe that was "harrassment". Lots of people talk to me in the street. Like, every day.
A good piece Franc.franc wrote:For Andrew the MRA/islam baiter -
http://greylining.com/2011/09/22/the-co ... -islamism/
I put mine in Paint, re-sized it, saved it as a Jpeg and it seemed to work - give that a whirl and then poke fun at me for getting it all horribly wrong! :DZa-zen wrote:bah having trouble uploading this image for my avatar
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/442/zazen.jpg/
My god! It's full of ads!Za-zen wrote:bah having trouble uploading this image for my avatar
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/442/zazen.jpg/
Oh fuck you. Writing for the masses. Sunni => wahhabi => salafi => infinite fragmentsAndrewV69 wrote:A good piece Franc.franc wrote:For Andrew the MRA/islam baiter -
http://greylining.com/2011/09/22/the-co ... -islamism/
You might have got a bit more specific about divisions in Islam for example between Sunni and Shia.
I'm glad I spotted this because I was about to complain thatLsuoma wrote:For that you get a special rank!!!Michael K Gray wrote: (This blog software actually auto-censors the word S E M P R I N I !!)
It is open to anyone and a few from this side have joined up. I posted that they need to be more open and no idea gets a free ride, and the two sister sites are echo chambers, and that there is already a division in atheism because of all the flame wars, and guess what? Nothing, absolutely nothing. So a thumbs up so far, though of course it is early days yet and things may change once it has settled down but even so. We need as many from this side as we can get to balance it out so anyone wants to dip their toes in the deep end, away you go. It will be better you actually debating them, rather than debating about them methinks. So form an orderly queue now and away you go. See you in there if you do make it over.Dick Strawkins wrote:
So A+ is open to conscientious Christians and Muslims?