Periodic Table of Swearing

[justinvacula]

Greta's just written a post on her blog about the "Shoe Controversy"

I don’t actually think that this controversy has any merit, and I don’t think I have any moral obligation whatsoever to do this. But I also don’t want anyone who donated money during my fundraiser to be unhappy about that donation. So if you made a donation and you now want it refunded, let me know, and I will refund it.

Yes, but...

:0

In any case, when you donate money to someone, you don’t get to dictate how they spend it.

I don't think this is the concern. Greta appears to strawman. No one is arguing that they should dictate, but rather have expectations for how she spends money (and are further arguing, perhaps more fundamentally, that the post is in bad taste).

When men spend money on clothing, it’s seen as a legitimate expense; when women spend money on clothing, it’s seen as frivolous fashion.

Oh, of course, add gender to the issue when it really has no significance here. The same complaints, I would wager, would be raised if Greta were a man and bought shoes.

[papillon]

I don't really care what zvan thinks other than blogging material. I have a policy: "Don't take the opinions of idiots seriously, nor allow edge cases to determine how things work". You'd be amazed how easy life gets when you do that.

Right. Like taking an average of say, weight in a population. The anorexics and clinically obese are lopped off as extreme outliers.
Problem with the FTB outliers is that they seem to have an influence disproportionate to their size, making them difficult to ignore.

[Mykeru]

But he might well have been pissed about that threat, although I’m finding that a little improbable.

For declaring, by fiat, that it's improbable that I'm pissed about being threatened and therefore I am "shedding crocodile tears", you just won the coveted second spot on my ignore list.

You're an inexcusable piece of shit.

[WoolyBumblebee]

http://i.imgur.com/oNxwa.jpg

Interesting, interesting. The internet was the judge and jury for my 'doxxing' of Surly Amy (which wasn't).

Also, can we please have the police or courts to fill in on these claims of 'rape threats' and 'harassment' Melody and company raise?

She's the only one I've seen threatening. Though I don't think anyone should be concerned because (as far I've seen) there's been no harassment that's been going on.

I'll explain to you exactly how this will go down. Remember, I've experienced this before and much of what Greg Laden did consisted almost entirely of reading the online remnants of the last doxxing.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Melody Hensley or Ophelia Benson decide to initiate. Their goal will be to protect their cushy little scam. So, from their point of view they are fighting for their lives. Not because they think I'm a credible physical threat, but because they already feel their position slipping. The whole "replace the old white guys" move, whether the white guy in question is Dawkins or Kurtz, isn't going exactly to plan.

Thing is, Melody Hensley is vulnerable. Despite her protestations to the contrary, she has traded off her position at CFI into cred points in the greater skeptical community. Something which she is squandering with every ill-thought move. Even if the CFI leadership is not taking note, and they seem to be circle the wagon types, she knows she can't put her name on this.

Of course, they don't have to. This will be done by proxy, and anonymously, and framed as threats of personal harm against women. Whatever claims they make don't have to be true, or credible or even make much sense. They are intended to be harassing and inconvenient. And even if they go no where, they can always claim, after the fact, any accusation as if it has substance.

Even if their doxxing and accusations come back to bite them, and they will, and open up them up to scrutiny, they can't not do it. Their egos are entirely depended on it. They will do it to spite their face. They will do it even if it destroys them because, if you look at their past behavior, it has a sort of grim momentum, as if once they get started they just can't help themselves.

And in the short term, they hope, it will have a chilling effect. It might not do much to me, but it might serve as a warning to the more timid. This, like their fears, is mostly theater.

Look at Melody Hensley: Contactly me directly with the creepy name dropping, "we know who you are" and not very plausibly deniable threat was just about the stupidest thing she could have done. But so was they false flagging and account suspensions she is involved in. She has the impulse control of a six year old. How many people go out of their way to contact and provoke their supposed stalker?

Also, if you know anything about this, a stalker contacting the police accusing their target of stalking just to muddy the water is very common. Hensley seems to be following this tactic.

So, it's not if, it's when. Look at Laden a week ago when he claimed he was backing off when it was obviously he was just passing the onus on to someone else. To them, this seems clever rather than obvious.

Most important, they exist in an echo chamber that will always enable and amplify their worst tendencies.

We aren't dealing with people who are particularly smart, cunning or rational actors.

They just can't help themselves.

I mean, seriously, they just can't.

And she was trying to Doxx me too BTW.

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa3 ... e71107.png

Her little minions are trying to find info on me, and all they can find is an old entry on Ophie's blog that was bullshit and outed as such, and a website from 2009-2010 when I was breeding rabbits. And the funniest part is they are saying that I plagiarized the House Rabbit Society. ROFL! I was a HRS member and if they knew anything about the HRS, they'd know that they encourage people to post their info on their breeding sites because their whole point is to spread awareness and good care practices about owning and caring for rabbits. GAH! These people are fucking ridiculous! And of course Melody is acting like she knows nothing. She'd better watch it because one day she's going to try and doxx the wrong person, and it will bite her in the ass.

[Rystefn]

Unlikely. Can you point to anything you've done to demonstrate that the human race wouldn't be better off without you?

Wow, with that logic, everyone should be killed off before they go off to college. Anything I've done? lol. What much can I do besides the small things? Canned food drives, the usual.

I'm more than open to allowing for a reasonable time frame. By the same token, I don't think the human species would be better off without each specific neutral-impact person, merely without so fucking many of them. I hope your close call has inspired to teach you offspring to pay attention to the world around them, because while some people may look out for them and try to protect, the world at large will not, and in fact, most of it could not give a shit less if they live or die.

Honestly, as someone who has survived 5 collisions with cars as a pedestrian / bicyclist, they're not that bad. Well, until they are. They tend to be binary. You either get away with some scrapes and bruises, or you're really fucked up/dead. Hell, I had one dude deliberately hit me, because he didn't like bicyclists. He should have done a better job. Adrenalin is awesome, like when you pick up your bike and drive it through a rear window. Makes finding the guy a lot easier. Something about a big fucking car with a ten-speed embedded in the rear window and a freaked out driver being really obvious.

A fair point. Humans are occasionally tough as nails and there's a million fiddly variables in a vehicle impact that can add up to lucky breaks when they start going your way. Also, just to be clear, I am fully aware that collisions are often the fault of some shithead in the car, and it makes me sad that they usually walk away uninjured from hitting pedestrians in those cases. Oh, and for the purposes of this discussion, cyclists are kind of in the in-between land of pedestrian and vehicle, but noticeably closer to pedestrian, I'd say.

[AbsurdWalls]

Oh, of course, add gender to the issue when it really has no significance here. The same complaints, I would wager, would be raised if Greta were a man and bought shoes.

I think that "nobody complains when men do it" thing is weird. I've rarely seen anyone care about how much men's clothes cost at all, possibly because cheap men's clothing looks a lot like expensive clothing unless you have an eye for it (which most people of both genders do not).

Personally I do think this shoe thing is making a fuss out of nothing and Greta's response to it is otherwise appropriate. Though, in my personal experience, expensive pairs of shoes seem to last no longer than cheap ones. I had a pair of £40 boots (made by Fender, when they did that) last 4 years. Since then I have bought a pair every winter costing £80-130 a time and none of them have lasted more than a few months.

[AbsurdWalls]

http://i.imgur.com/oNxwa.jpg

Interesting, interesting. The internet was the judge and jury for my 'doxxing' of Surly Amy (which wasn't).

Also, can we please have the police or courts to fill in on these claims of 'rape threats' and 'harassment' Melody and company raise?

She's the only one I've seen threatening. Though I don't think anyone should be concerned because (as far I've seen) there's been no harassment that's been going on.

I'll explain to you exactly how this will go down. Remember, I've experienced this before and much of what Greg Laden did consisted almost entirely of reading the online remnants of the last doxxing.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Melody Hensley or Ophelia Benson decide to initiate. Their goal will be to protect their cushy little scam. So, from their point of view they are fighting for their lives. Not because they think I'm a credible physical threat, but because they already feel their position slipping. The whole "replace the old white guys" move, whether the white guy in question is Dawkins or Kurtz, isn't going exactly to plan.

Thing is, Melody Hensley is vulnerable. Despite her protestations to the contrary, she has traded off her position at CFI into cred points in the greater skeptical community. Something which she is squandering with every ill-thought move. Even if the CFI leadership is not taking note, and they seem to be circle the wagon types, she knows she can't put her name on this.

Of course, they don't have to. This will be done by proxy, and anonymously, and framed as threats of personal harm against women. Whatever claims they make don't have to be true, or credible or even make much sense. They are intended to be harassing and inconvenient. And even if they go no where, they can always claim, after the fact, any accusation as if it has substance.

Even if their doxxing and accusations come back to bite them, and they will, and open up them up to scrutiny, they can't not do it. Their egos are entirely depended on it. They will do it to spite their face. They will do it even if it destroys them because, if you look at their past behavior, it has a sort of grim momentum, as if once they get started they just can't help themselves.

And in the short term, they hope, it will have a chilling effect. It might not do much to me, but it might serve as a warning to the more timid. This, like their fears, is mostly theater.

Look at Melody Hensley: Contactly me directly with the creepy name dropping, "we know who you are" and not very plausibly deniable threat was just about the stupidest thing she could have done. But so was they false flagging and account suspensions she is involved in. She has the impulse control of a six year old. How many people go out of their way to contact and provoke their supposed stalker?

Also, if you know anything about this, a stalker contacting the police accusing their target of stalking just to muddy the water is very common. Hensley seems to be following this tactic.

So, it's not if, it's when. Look at Laden a week ago when he claimed he was backing off when it was obviously he was just passing the onus on to someone else. To them, this seems clever rather than obvious.

Most important, they exist in an echo chamber that will always enable and amplify their worst tendencies.

We aren't dealing with people who are particularly smart, cunning or rational actors.

They just can't help themselves.

I mean, seriously, they just can't.

And she was trying to Doxx me too BTW.

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa3 ... e71107.png

Her little minions are trying to find info on me, and all they can find is an old entry on Ophie's blog that was bullshit and outed as such, and a website from 2009-2010 when I was breeding rabbits. And the funniest part is they are saying that I plagiarized the House Rabbit Society. ROFL! I was a HRS member and if they knew anything about the HRS, they'd know that they encourage people to post their info on their breeding sites because their whole point is to spread awareness and good care practices about owning and caring for rabbits. GAH! These people are fucking ridiculous! And of course Melody is acting like she knows nothing. She'd better watch it because one day she's going to try and doxx the wrong person, and it will bite her in the ass.

Can you comment on that post? It would be hilarious to see you spook them.

[BarnOwl]

4: When men spend money on clothing, it’s seen as a legitimate expense; when women spend money on clothing, it’s seen as frivolous fashion.

Abbie had the best response to that shit several pages back: buy your shoes at Payless, or at some other discount retailer. If the budget is tight because of healthcare expenses, car or home repairs, travel expenses, whatever, then you cut back expenses in other areas. You don't go out and buy designer shoes - even Honey Boo Boo's mama has more sense than that.

It's not just "spending money on clothing," as if Greta, PeeZus forbid, went to Penneys or Target or some such.

[Mykeru]

[spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/oNxwa.jpg

Interesting, interesting. The internet was the judge and jury for my 'doxxing' of Surly Amy (which wasn't).

Also, can we please have the police or courts to fill in on these claims of 'rape threats' and 'harassment' Melody and company raise?

She's the only one I've seen threatening. Though I don't think anyone should be concerned because (as far I've seen) there's been no harassment that's been going on.

I'll explain to you exactly how this will go down. Remember, I've experienced this before and much of what Greg Laden did consisted almost entirely of reading the online remnants of the last doxxing.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Melody Hensley or Ophelia Benson decide to initiate. Their goal will be to protect their cushy little scam. So, from their point of view they are fighting for their lives. Not because they think I'm a credible physical threat, but because they already feel their position slipping. The whole "replace the old white guys" move, whether the white guy in question is Dawkins or Kurtz, isn't going exactly to plan.

Thing is, Melody Hensley is vulnerable. Despite her protestations to the contrary, she has traded off her position at CFI into cred points in the greater skeptical community. Something which she is squandering with every ill-thought move. Even if the CFI leadership is not taking note, and they seem to be circle the wagon types, she knows she can't put her name on this.

Of course, they don't have to. This will be done by proxy, and anonymously, and framed as threats of personal harm against women. Whatever claims they make don't have to be true, or credible or even make much sense. They are intended to be harassing and inconvenient. And even if they go no where, they can always claim, after the fact, any accusation as if it has substance.

Even if their doxxing and accusations come back to bite them, and they will, and open up them up to scrutiny, they can't not do it. Their egos are entirely depended on it. They will do it to spite their face. They will do it even if it destroys them because, if you look at their past behavior, it has a sort of grim momentum, as if once they get started they just can't help themselves.

And in the short term, they hope, it will have a chilling effect. It might not do much to me, but it might serve as a warning to the more timid. This, like their fears, is mostly theater.

Look at Melody Hensley: Contactly me directly with the creepy name dropping, "we know who you are" and not very plausibly deniable threat was just about the stupidest thing she could have done. But so was they false flagging and account suspensions she is involved in. She has the impulse control of a six year old. How many people go out of their way to contact and provoke their supposed stalker?

Also, if you know anything about this, a stalker contacting the police accusing their target of stalking just to muddy the water is very common. Hensley seems to be following this tactic.

So, it's not if, it's when. Look at Laden a week ago when he claimed he was backing off when it was obviously he was just passing the onus on to someone else. To them, this seems clever rather than obvious.

Most important, they exist in an echo chamber that will always enable and amplify their worst tendencies.

We aren't dealing with people who are particularly smart, cunning or rational actors.

They just can't help themselves.

I mean, seriously, they just can't.

[/spoiler]
And she was trying to Doxx me too BTW.

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa3 ... e71107.png

Her little minions are trying to find info on me, and all they can find is an old entry on Ophie's blog that was bullshit and outed as such, and a website from 2009-2010 when I was breeding rabbits. And the funniest part is they are saying that I plagiarized the House Rabbit Society. ROFL! I was a HRS member and if they knew anything about the HRS, they'd know that they encourage people to post their info on their breeding sites because their whole point is to spread awareness and good care practices about owning and caring for rabbits. GAH! These people are fucking ridiculous! And of course Melody is acting like she knows nothing. She'd better watch it because one day she's going to try and doxx the wrong person, and it will bite her in the ass.

Accusing you of plagiarism is a serious thing, and it just goes to show the lengths that Melody Hensley and/or the proxy minions will go to.

Look, not to put too fine a point on it, she's simply not right in the head and increasingly creepy. I took a day off from the video because things are breaking and really, I lost the funny with these sick fuckers.

I suggest we spend 2013 having a laff-fest with these assholes.

[KiwiInOz]

Her little minions are trying to find info on me, and all they can find is an old entry on Ophie's blog that was bullshit and outed as such, and a website from 2009-2010 when I was breeding rabbits. And the funniest part is they are saying that I plagiarized the House Rabbit Society. ROFL! I was a HRS member and if they knew anything about the HRS, they'd know that they encourage people to post their info on their breeding sites because their whole point is to spread awareness and good care practices about owning and caring for rabbits. GAH! These people are fucking ridiculous! And of course Melody is acting like she knows nothing. She'd better watch it because one day she's going to try and doxx the wrong person, and it will bite her in the ass.

I can just imagine the outcome.

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[AndrewV69]

Andrew, what does in.mala...blabla mean, that PZ moaned about?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/mala+fide

With or in bad faith.

It is incorporated within the email adresss I use for participation of certain kinds of discussions. The number is incremental. As you may surmise, it besides being one of several, helps me keep organized. I also tend, as you may notice towards the ironical. It has been my observation that many people never argue in good faith.

No doubt this enraged PeeZuss Christ.

Because taken at face value, I am not arguing in good faith, and if not, even worse I am mocking him and his. If you choose the latter, you will be closer to the truth than not.

[franc]

All Steersman does it run interference and engage in test cases for Baboons.

I told you all months ago he was a sophist time waster without any reason or actual relevant points that does little other than JAQ off in a closed circle getting some kind of personal actualisation out of getting people to bite.

I don't blame Steersman, I blame the folks here that enable him. Without them, he is nothing. And loneliness. Would suck to be him.

[JAB]

Unlikely. Can you point to anything you've done to demonstrate that the human race wouldn't be better off without you?

Wow, with that logic, everyone should be killed off before they go off to college. Anything I've done? lol. What much can I do besides the small things? Canned food drives, the usual.

You probably shouldn't play with the Rystefn... he thinks the world's only here for his amusement.

[franc]

Greta pretty much asked for this. It would have been very simple to say " I got around n dollars, of which m is more than I needed. So I'm going to set that in a separate account for <timeframe> in case the cancer returns. If it doesn't, then I'll donate it"

Even simpler - buy the shoes, keep your mouth shut. She's either spectacularly stupid or spectacularly arrogant to think that yammering about $2-300 shoes wouldn't lift a lot of eyebrows, and not just in the pit.

I vote for the latter. She's never come across as particularly bright to me.

Same as with Watson. People keep confusing "intelligence" and "cunning".

[Outwest]

In any case, when you donate money to someone, you don’t get to dictate how they spend it.

That's not the point! She asked for donations to assist with expenses because should would not be able to write or make speeches for a while. People that donated did so with that in mind. Now she has the arrogance to come out and tell people they don't have the right to dictate? No one is dictating, just showing the sheer disregard of those that were generous to donate to her in her time of "need". It looks to me that she needed shoes, not a roof, food, or utilities.

I don't think this is the concern. Greta appears to strawman. No one is arguing that they should dictate, but rather have expectations for how she spends money (and are further arguing, perhaps more fundamentally, that the post is in bad taste).

The post is in incredibly bad taste and is whining because she was stupid to post about buying a pair of $200+ footwear after e-begging for expenses 2 months ago.

When men spend money on clothing, it’s seen as a legitimate expense; when women spend money on clothing, it’s seen as frivolous fashion.

What total bullshit.

Oh, of course, add gender to the issue when it really has no significance here. The same complaints, I would wager, would be raised if Greta were a man and bought shoes.

The same would be said about anyone that e-begged and then spent the money on other than the stated need. I said when this started: it's a scam.

[ShadowOfTheWickerman]

Mykeru, why don't you just accept atheism+ into your heart, and you will be freed from your sins thetans privilege?

And she was trying to Doxx me too BTW.

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Her little minions are trying to find info on me, and all they can find is an old entry on Ophie's blog that was bullshit and outed as such, and a website from 2009-2010 when I was breeding rabbits. And the funniest part is they are saying that I plagiarized the House Rabbit Society. ROFL! I was a HRS member and if they knew anything about the HRS, they'd know that they encourage people to post their info on their breeding sites because their whole point is to spread awareness and good care practices about owning and caring for rabbits. GAH! These people are fucking ridiculous! And of course Melody is acting like she knows nothing. She'd better watch it because one day she's going to try and doxx the wrong person, and it will bite her in the ass.

Do they actually believe that
A)You, of all people, would be intimidated by having your personal information revealed publicly?
B)That scaring someone into silence isn't bullying?

I think that "nobody complains when men do it" thing is weird. I've rarely seen anyone care about how much men's clothes cost at all, possibly because cheap men's clothing looks a lot like expensive clothing unless you have an eye for it (which most people of both genders do not).

Personally I do think this shoe thing is making a fuss out of nothing and Greta's response to it is otherwise appropriate. Though, in my personal experience, expensive pairs of shoes seem to last no longer than cheap ones. I had a pair of £40 boots (made by Fender, when they did that) last 4 years. Since then I have bought a pair every winter costing £80-130 a time and none of them have lasted more than a few months.

The fact that she has the money to go out and buy a new pair of shoes whenever she wants speaks volumes about her privilege.

That sounds like not a bad idea. She has clearly gone off the deep end there – and I’ll concede that her references to the government were most probably related to Mykeru’s place of employment. And that that probably qualifies as some serious harassment.

However, I have to wonder, and to sort of address your last question about me being, supposedly, a dickhead, how much of that response is due to what she at least perceives as harassment directed her way for which Mykeru might reasonably bear some responsibility. If one keeps poking a dog to the point it tears one’s arm off, I expect the court might take that into account in any case that comes before it on the question.

I did say "I expect" and "sane employers". But it is certainly nice to know that you are, apparently, a lawyer, although it tends to suggest to me that either Mykeru would have a serious claim to a wrongful dismissal suit or that it is further evidence of the saying that the law is an ass.

Congrats steersman. You've just wasted several pages on a completely fucking meaningless point.

[Guessed]

I'm happy that Greta is well-off enough to be able to make such a purchase but it seems a little excessive given the recency of the fundraiser. Then again, as she says, she is working again and thus the money could be considered to be coming from her own earnings. It just looks bad and seems rather unnecessary to me. Cool, you got new, totally fashionable shoes? Here is the ego-stroking you evidently desire.

I'm more turned off by the flaunting than the supposed misuse of funds.

Also dropped by the A+ board again, read through that thread where Kassiane complains about the congressional hearing on autism or something like that. So much stupid/funny in one thread. Also recommended for lols is the thread by Setar on the police.

[KiwiInOz]

Congrats steersman. You've just wasted several pages on a completely fucking meaningless point.

That is high praise indeed. He's our resident Talmudic Scholar.

[Skep tickle]

Greta's just written a post on her blog about the "Shoe Controversy"

1) She says "I do in fact have to pay taxes on donations"

2) She offers refund to anyone who asks & can provide receipt:

If you donated money to me during my recent fundraiser, and you’re not happy with the fact that I recently spent some money on shoes, I will refund your donation. Email me at greta (at) gretachristina (dot) com, with the email address you used for PayPal and the amount you donated, or with the check number and the amount you donated. (If you’re someone who I requested to never contact me again because your private correspondence to me was borderline threatening, I will rescind that request for this purpose only.) When I confirm that you did in fact make a donation, I will refund your money. Thank you.

[WoolyBumblebee]

And she was trying to Doxx me too BTW.

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa3 ... e71107.png

Her little minions are trying to find info on me, and all they can find is an old entry on Ophie's blog that was bullshit and outed as such, and a website from 2009-2010 when I was breeding rabbits. And the funniest part is they are saying that I plagiarized the House Rabbit Society. ROFL! I was a HRS member and if they knew anything about the HRS, they'd know that they encourage people to post their info on their breeding sites because their whole point is to spread awareness and good care practices about owning and caring for rabbits. GAH! These people are fucking ridiculous! And of course Melody is acting like she knows nothing. She'd better watch it because one day she's going to try and doxx the wrong person, and it will bite her in the ass.

Can you comment on that post? It would be hilarious to see you spook them.

The post is mysteriously gone now. Why am I not suprised :think:

[Lurkion]

I am a lawyer in Australia.
We have inflated prices when compared to America.
I spent $130 on shoes a while back. Got two pairs.
$200 for one pair of women's shoes - particularly at American prices - is crazy.

My problem though is that she did the article. Maybe shoes are her secret splurge (i.e. maybe she doesn't go to the pub on the weekend, or doesn't buy DVDs or something). We wouldn't be criticising her if she spent $30 at the pub once or twice a week, but that quickly adds up.

But the article was in bad taste in the context. And the shoes were crazy expensive.

[Eucliwood]

point 1. Yes the driver is in control of the car, and if the car breaks the rules and causes a collision, they are at fault. The pedestrian is in control of their speed. If they jump in front of a moving car they are at fault if physics etc makes stopping impossible. To leave it otherwise is to make an infant out of the pedestrian, since they are responsible for jumping out.


I am hearing lame exuses after lame excuses, why my point of view, that a driver has higher responsibility because of much higher damage potential, is inferior to an argument which doesn't seem to go further than "rules are rules".

I am not talking about the rules. I am talking about the physical reality and the morality to base such rules on. And as I said I'm fine with the rules, they are largely beneficial. Only such rules may even allow you to drive faster in most situations because now you actually have a reason to expect certain behaviours from other people. You can include them into your risk calculation. They don't override the underlying principles of moral and physical nature.

Lurktard, who has the greater responsibility shouldn't be based on who is heavier. It should be based on multiple things - like who has easiest control... who should be where... etc... for example, one shouldn't be lolligagging around on a high way in this weather.... even having people curve to go around you can make something happen. And you finally recognize that there's a such thing as not having enough time to stop - that's what I mean by control. OR... they do have enough time to stop, but their swerving or abrupt stopping causes an accident, and the pedestrian is left to walk away without being stricken (or stay there. You get my point) Pedestrians have more control over the vehicle (their body) that they are using. You need to think about that. Instead, you just thought "well, the vehicle is omg the factor causing damage here, so I'm going to learn toward staring at the driver with a dirty look in a collision" which is a pretty unfair attitude. I would hate to have someone stare me down just because I was the one with the dangerous vehicle on the road it's meant for. Also think about blind spots in certain situations like turning and big cars and small cars and seeing around those big cars...

[CommanderTuvok]

Of course Melody doesn't "doxx". Just as Osama Greg Laden, Twatson, PZ Myers, and Surly Amy don't "doxx".

LOL.

[WoolyBumblebee]

[spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/oNxwa.jpg

Interesting, interesting. The internet was the judge and jury for my 'doxxing' of Surly Amy (which wasn't).

Also, can we please have the police or courts to fill in on these claims of 'rape threats' and 'harassment' Melody and company raise?

She's the only one I've seen threatening. Though I don't think anyone should be concerned because (as far I've seen) there's been no harassment that's been going on.

I'll explain to you exactly how this will go down. Remember, I've experienced this before and much of what Greg Laden did consisted almost entirely of reading the online remnants of the last doxxing.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Melody Hensley or Ophelia Benson decide to initiate. Their goal will be to protect their cushy little scam. So, from their point of view they are fighting for their lives. Not because they think I'm a credible physical threat, but because they already feel their position slipping. The whole "replace the old white guys" move, whether the white guy in question is Dawkins or Kurtz, isn't going exactly to plan.

Thing is, Melody Hensley is vulnerable. Despite her protestations to the contrary, she has traded off her position at CFI into cred points in the greater skeptical community. Something which she is squandering with every ill-thought move. Even if the CFI leadership is not taking note, and they seem to be circle the wagon types, she knows she can't put her name on this.

Of course, they don't have to. This will be done by proxy, and anonymously, and framed as threats of personal harm against women. Whatever claims they make don't have to be true, or credible or even make much sense. They are intended to be harassing and inconvenient. And even if they go no where, they can always claim, after the fact, any accusation as if it has substance.

Even if their doxxing and accusations come back to bite them, and they will, and open up them up to scrutiny, they can't not do it. Their egos are entirely depended on it. They will do it to spite their face. They will do it even if it destroys them because, if you look at their past behavior, it has a sort of grim momentum, as if once they get started they just can't help themselves.

And in the short term, they hope, it will have a chilling effect. It might not do much to me, but it might serve as a warning to the more timid. This, like their fears, is mostly theater.

Look at Melody Hensley: Contactly me directly with the creepy name dropping, "we know who you are" and not very plausibly deniable threat was just about the stupidest thing she could have done. But so was they false flagging and account suspensions she is involved in. She has the impulse control of a six year old. How many people go out of their way to contact and provoke their supposed stalker?

Also, if you know anything about this, a stalker contacting the police accusing their target of stalking just to muddy the water is very common. Hensley seems to be following this tactic.

So, it's not if, it's when. Look at Laden a week ago when he claimed he was backing off when it was obviously he was just passing the onus on to someone else. To them, this seems clever rather than obvious.

Most important, they exist in an echo chamber that will always enable and amplify their worst tendencies.

We aren't dealing with people who are particularly smart, cunning or rational actors.

They just can't help themselves.

I mean, seriously, they just can't.

[/spoiler]
And she was trying to Doxx me too BTW.

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Her little minions are trying to find info on me, and all they can find is an old entry on Ophie's blog that was bullshit and outed as such, and a website from 2009-2010 when I was breeding rabbits. And the funniest part is they are saying that I plagiarized the House Rabbit Society. ROFL! I was a HRS member and if they knew anything about the HRS, they'd know that they encourage people to post their info on their breeding sites because their whole point is to spread awareness and good care practices about owning and caring for rabbits. GAH! These people are fucking ridiculous! And of course Melody is acting like she knows nothing. She'd better watch it because one day she's going to try and doxx the wrong person, and it will bite her in the ass.

Accusing you of plagiarism is a serious thing, and it just goes to show the lengths that Melody Hensley and/or the proxy minions will go to.

Look, not to put too fine a point on it, she's simply not right in the head and increasingly creepy. I took a day off from the video because things are breaking and really, I lost the funny with these sick fuckers.

I suggest we spend 2013 having a laff-fest with these assholes.

Oh believe me, I am planning on it ;) :popcorn:

[WoolyBumblebee]

Her little minions are trying to find info on me, and all they can find is an old entry on Ophie's blog that was bullshit and outed as such, and a website from 2009-2010 when I was breeding rabbits. And the funniest part is they are saying that I plagiarized the House Rabbit Society. ROFL! I was a HRS member and if they knew anything about the HRS, they'd know that they encourage people to post their info on their breeding sites because their whole point is to spread awareness and good care practices about owning and caring for rabbits. GAH! These people are fucking ridiculous! And of course Melody is acting like she knows nothing. She'd better watch it because one day she's going to try and doxx the wrong person, and it will bite her in the ass.

I can just imagine the outcome.

[youtube]pmu5sRIizdw[/youtube]

ROFL!! :lol:

[Skep tickle]

Comment #31 at Ophelia's post on shoegate starts off with this:

Renee, you need to learn the meaning of “gift”.

a) Poison? (its meaning as a German word)

b) Whatever Renee wants it to mean? (according to at least one mod at Atheism+)

[Lurkion]

Oh, while I 100% agree with Mykeru, I'd suggest that if Melody Hensley is being crazy, just do her as a hashtag.

[BoxNDox]

If I remember correctly, Dolly lives in Austin, in which case, what he is doing is illegal as fuck. I'm not going to lie, if I was less lazy, I'd have alerted the local pigs about it the first time a saw a vid of him doing it. Pretty sure the vids he put up count as evidence against him, so they'd have him for dozens of fucking counts.

I must say I'm glad other people watch his videos and report on them, partly because I don't need any added stupid in my life, but mainly because watching him do this while driving really makes me squirm. I know way too many people who have been injured, some of them very seriously, in accidents caused by drunk or distracted drivers.

Mind you, it's not as bad as the guy I saw the other day coming down the Fair Oaks onramp onto the 210 in Pasadena. 40-50 MPH traffic and he was leaning way back, steering with left foot while either texting or playing a video game with both hands. Even so, what Dolly does is still reckless and irresponsible.

(I really wish I was making up the last paragraph, but I'm not.)

[Rystefn]

Unlikely. Can you point to anything you've done to demonstrate that the human race wouldn't be better off without you?

Wow, with that logic, everyone should be killed off before they go off to college. Anything I've done? lol. What much can I do besides the small things? Canned food drives, the usual.

You probably shouldn't play with the Rystefn... he thinks the world's only here for his amusement.

You got it all turned around. The world is what it is regardless of what I do or don't do, and ultimately my words and actions, indeed my entire life and whether or not I even existed at all, have essentially zero impact on anything significant. Therefore, I should get what amusement out of it I can find, because what's the point in getting out of bed in the morning (or afternoon as the case may be) otherwise?

[franc]

Congratulations. You have set a new record. *5*, count 'em, *5* browser screens worth of previously quoted text and images from others only to add -

Can you comment on that post? It would be hilarious to see you spook them.

Bravo. Bet mom's proud. :suimouth:

[Mykeru]

All Steersman does it run interference and engage in test cases for Baboons.

I told you all months ago he was a sophist time waster without any reason or actual relevant points that does little other than JAQ off in a closed circle getting some kind of personal actualisation out of getting people to bite.

I don't blame Steersman, I blame the folks here that enable him. Without them, he is nothing. And loneliness. Would suck to be him.

And he's a dick.

[Outwest]

Comment #31 at Ophelia's post on shoegate starts off with this:

Renee, you need to learn the meaning of “gift”.

a) Poison? (its meaning as a German word)

b) Whatever Renee wants it to mean? (according to at least one mod at Atheism+)

What "gift"? She was asking for donations, not gifts. Wow, these people really need to get Websters out before they write.

[Eucliwood]

I must say I'm glad other people watch his videos and report on them, partly because I don't need any added stupid in my life, but mainly because watching him do this while driving really makes me squirm. I know way too many people who have been injured, some of them very seriously, in accidents caused by drunk or distracted drivers.

)

Aw shizzle I can't find the original conversation about this. Link me the videos?

[Ape+lust]

I suggest we spend 2013 having a laff-fest with these assholes.

I couldn't think of anything better. Anger is too much energy wasted and funny works. Laden was tear-assing around the net like a loon until he put out that call for support to his friends and got back: meh. That popped his bubble quick. If he was besieged with genuinely angry people, it'd be harder for his pals to not back him.

[Mykeru]

The post is mysteriously gone now. Why am I not suprised :think:

What a ridiculously inept twunt.

[another lurker]

The post is mysteriously gone now. Why am I not suprised :think:

What a ridiculously inept twunt.

"twunt"

I like it.

[BarnOwl]

Greta's just written a post on her blog about the "Shoe Controversy"

Why do Greta, Ophelia, Stephanie et al. even care what most 'Pytters think about their behavior? It's not as if most of us have any influence on their speaking and writing gigs. We may mock them here and point out their hypocrisy and arrogance, but when has that ever affected their ability to promote themselves or participate in A/S meetings?

I know that Ophelia reads here, and probably the others do as well: You're the ones who are traveling, giving talks, writing columns, attending meetings, constantly drawing attention to yourselves. I stay put and work a full-time+ job. No traveling, no A/S meetings, no paid opinion pieces, no Google+ hangouts, no tweety-twitter-tweets, no Facey-fucky-book, no whingeing blog posts about what a victim of the Patriarchy I am. Nor am I interfering with your seemingly unlimited ability to do exactly those things. So what the absolute fuck is your problem?

[Skep tickle]

Lurktard, who has the greater responsibility shouldn't be based on who is heavier. It should be based on multiple things - like who has easiest control... who should be where... etc... for example, one shouldn't be lolligagging around on a high way in this weather.... even having people curve to go around you can make something happen. And you finally recognize that there's a such thing as not having enough time to stop - that's what I mean by control. OR... they do have enough time to stop, but their swerving or abrupt stopping causes an accident, and the pedestrian is left to walk away without being stricken (or stay there. You get my point) Pedestrians have more control over the vehicle (their body) that they are using. You need to think about that. Instead, you just thought "well, the vehicle is omg the factor causing damage here, so I'm going to learn toward staring at the driver with a dirty look in a collision" which is a pretty unfair attitude. I would hate to have someone stare me down just because I was the one with the dangerous vehicle on the road it's meant for. Also think about blind spots in certain situations like turning and big cars and small cars and seeing around those big cars...

Mmmm hmmmm. That so? *tries to keep buttons from getting pushed*

[Lsuoma]

You're the ones who are traveling, giving talks, writing columns, attending meetings, constantly drawing attention to yourselves. I stay put and work a full-time+ job. No traveling, no A/S meetings, no paid opinion pieces, no Google+ hangouts, no tweety-twitter-tweets, no Facey-fucky-book, no whingeing blog posts about what a victim of the Patriarchy I am. Nor am I interfering with your seemingly unlimited ability to do exactly those things. So what the absolute fuck is your problem?

Yes. Yes, you are: by pointing out that they are all worthless freeloaders you increase the risk of derailing their gravy train.

Keep up the good work.

[Reap]

My new shirt for the next conference I attend
http://reapsowradio.com/graphics/pzshutup.png

[Darren]

Given that I am now working again, and am earning my own income again… at what point is it okay for me to start spending my money the way I want to?

You see, guise! I wasn't spending your money. It just turns out that after spending your money on the essentials, I had lots of my money left over to blow on useless shit and then brag about it.

Have some fuking shame, Greta.

[justinvacula]

Greta Christina, 'shoegate,' and gender:

[youtube]UcvxSBWd-60[/youtube]

[another lurker]

Greta's just written a post on her blog about the "Shoe Controversy"

Why do Greta, Ophelia, Stephanie et al. even care what most 'Pytters think about their behavior? It's not as if most of us have any influence on their speaking and writing gigs. We may mock them here and point out their hypocrisy and arrogance, but when has that ever affected their ability to promote themselves or participate in A/S meetings?

I was thinking about this today. I think it's very simple. Pitters are the new 'elevator guy'. The A+ers and FtB'ers don't need to invent boogiemen, they've got the pit. Anything remotely negative or critical coming from the pit gives them ammunition to use in their ongoing tale of 'victimisation by teh patriarchy'

In a sick way, the pit is helping them, not hindering. Well, helping them to toot their own horn as it were (only to the brainwashed). But certainly not helping to increase traffic to FTB or A+ forums.

[xinit]

Will she declare it on her taxes? As far as I know, and maybe others here that take PayPal donations for their sites can clear it up, I don't think she's a charitable organization. I would think that PayPal would not only send her a statement, but also the IRS.

Doesn't the IRS encourage people to turn in potential tax cheats? They'd like to know about any unclaimed money, I'm sure.

[Rystefn]

I must say I'm glad other people watch his videos and report on them, partly because I don't need any added stupid in my life, but mainly because watching him do this while driving really makes me squirm. I know way too many people who have been injured, some of them very seriously, in accidents caused by drunk or distracted drivers.

)

Aw shizzle I can't find the original conversation about this. Link me the videos?

Of him making vids and looking down at the camera instead of the road while driving? Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/user/SansDeity/v ... rid&view=0 There's a solid dozen of them, at least.

[Ape+lust]

You're the ones who are traveling, giving talks, writing columns, attending meetings, constantly drawing attention to yourselves. I stay put and work a full-time+ job. No traveling, no A/S meetings, no paid opinion pieces, no Google+ hangouts, no tweety-twitter-tweets, no Facey-fucky-book, no whingeing blog posts about what a victim of the Patriarchy I am. Nor am I interfering with your seemingly unlimited ability to do exactly those things. So what the absolute fuck is your problem?

They're bringing amazing, wonderful changes to society. Except, society isn't changing. At least, not in ways they approve and not on their I-want-it-now schedule.

You must be the reason.

[Gefan]

Given that I am now working again, and am earning my own income again… at what point is it okay for me to start spending my money the way I want to?

You see, guise! I wasn't spending your money. It just turns out that after spending your money on the essentials, I had lots of my money left over to blow on useless shit and then brag about it.

Have some fuking shame, Greta.

This applies to the rest of the usual suspects but Greta is the one who finally makes me ask, from where comes this incalculable sense of entitlement?
It's a serious question. I don't know anyone who behaves like this. Is it bad parenting?
Help me out here.

[JAB]

Shoes, eh? Anybody ever see Greta and Isis at the same time? Anybody even know what Isis looks like?

[ReneeHendricks]

Greta's just written a post on her blog about the "Shoe Controversy"

1) She says "I do in fact have to pay taxes on donations"

2) She offers refund to anyone who asks & can provide receipt:

If you donated money to me during my recent fundraiser, and you’re not happy with the fact that I recently spent some money on shoes, I will refund your donation. Email me at greta (at) gretachristina (dot) com, with the email address you used for PayPal and the amount you donated, or with the check number and the amount you donated. (If you’re someone who I requested to never contact me again because your private correspondence to me was borderline threatening, I will rescind that request for this purpose only.) When I confirm that you did in fact make a donation, I will refund your money. Thank you.

Which would both be awesome if she had put something out *prior* to my saying something about the expensive shoes. It was only then that she decided to put out some of this. She stated in prior posts that she had enough to cover her for a few months. In my low-ball world, that's about $8K. She was out of work for about 6 weeks. Not months. And not a fucking peep about how that money would be handle. Not until she put out about her cute new, expensive shoes. *Now* she's putting up a "refund" policy and how she pays taxes? Big whoop-ti-fucking-do. She's no better than those TV evangelists.

[BannedAid]

Dear Greta -

Unless you play basketball professionally, $200 shoes are an extravagant expense. Even if you hadn't just recently plead poverty to get other people to pay your health expenses, I would raise an eyebrow at that. Btw, I'm a man. I have an exotic shoe-size and a shoestring (ha!) budget, and I can still manage to get a pair for $50. You're not catching flack over this because you're a woman -- of course that's you're first line of defense -- but because you're a materialistic fraud.

[BannedAid]

Someday I'll stop mixing up you're and your on the internet.

[Eucliwood]

Dear Greta -

Unless you play basketball professionally, $200 shoes are an extravagant expense. Even if you hadn't just recently plead poverty to get other people to pay your health expenses, I would raise an eyebrow at that. Btw, I'm a man. I have an exotic shoe-size and a shoestring (ha!) budget, and I can still manage to get a pair for $50. You're not catching flack over this because you're a woman -- of course that's you're first line of defense -- but because you're a materialistic fraud.

I wouldn't say that $200 shoes are an EXTRAVAGANT expense... probably something you'd get for christmas if you didnt want anything else big... the adults jst bought someone in the family 150 dollar stupid boots... But then again the adult who did it makes a nice amount of money? Nowhere near wealthy, but hm, 70-80k/year?

[ReneeHendricks]

Comment #31 at Ophelia's post on shoegate starts off with this:

Renee, you need to learn the meaning of “gift”.

a) Poison? (its meaning as a German word)

b) Whatever Renee wants it to mean? (according to at least one mod at Atheism+)

Yeah, you get online and beg for money. You can call it a "gift" and others can call that as well. We call it a "gift" when we stupidly give to televangelists. We'd still like to know where our money is going. And much like giving money to televangelists, giving it to people like Greta Christina only means you find out way after the fact that it's going to really 'bitching", expensive shoes (bitching is in quotes because personally I think they're ugly as fuck).

[Skep tickle]

Greta's just written a post on her blog about the "Shoe Controversy"

1) She says "I do in fact have to pay taxes on donations"

2) She offers refund to anyone who asks & can provide receipt:

If you donated money to me during my recent fundraiser, and you’re not happy with the fact that I recently spent some money on shoes, I will refund your donation. Email me at greta (at) gretachristina (dot) com, with the email address you used for PayPal and the amount you donated, or with the check number and the amount you donated. (If you’re someone who I requested to never contact me again because your private correspondence to me was borderline threatening, I will rescind that request for this purpose only.) When I confirm that you did in fact make a donation, I will refund your money. Thank you.

Which would both be awesome if she had put something out *prior* to my saying something about the expensive shoes. It was only then that she decided to put out some of this. She stated in prior posts that she had enough to cover her for a few months. In my low-ball world, that's about $8K. She was out of work for about 6 weeks. Not months. And not a fucking peep about how that money would be handle. Not until she put out about her cute new, expensive shoes. *Now* she's putting up a "refund" policy and how she pays taxes? Big whoop-ti-fucking-do. She's no better than those TV evangelists.

Oh, ja. I wasn't excusing her, just reporting what she said in her post (esp for those who don't want to go to FtB)

[aweraw]

Guys, given that this thread moves so fast, it's almost impossible to keep up anymore. I propose, once again, that people start using the subreddit I've devoted to the slymepit to track the highlights, so that those of us who can't spend all day reading the undead thread might not become completely disconnected form what's gone on in the past day or so. I mentioned this the other day, but it didn't get any response, probably because it was bereft of any content... so to rectify that, I've gone through and collected a handful of items you creative type produces that I think are appropriate to post there. If people would like to post their (or others) creative works there, I'd be very appreciative.

Can I get some feed back on wether I'm wasting my time in trying to get this to be a thing?

Here's the link: http://www.reddit.com/r/slymepit/

[Eucliwood]

Comment #31 at Ophelia's post on shoegate starts off with this:

Renee, you need to learn the meaning of “gift”.

a) Poison? (its meaning as a German word)

b) Whatever Renee wants it to mean? (according to at least one mod at Atheism+)

Yeah, you get online and beg for money. You can call it a "gift" and others can call that as well. We call it a "gift" when we stupidly give to televangelists. We'd still like to know where our money is going. And much like giving money to televangelists, giving it to people like Greta Christina only means you find out way after the fact that it's going to really 'bitching", expensive shoes (bitching is in quotes because personally I think they're ugly as fuck).

so what did she say the gifts were for? For her to buy herself things? If so, fine.. it's like christmas then. If someone gives me money for christmas and I want to buy stupid fugly shoes that I happen to like (I'm cheap, so I wouldn't buy them, not even if they were half that, not that I'm really into shoes anyway)

[Karmakin]

This is why I say that when they talk about "privilege", it's nothing but projection.

[Eucliwood]

Can I get some feed back on wether I'm wasting my time in trying to get this to be a thing?

Here's the link: http://www.reddit.com/r/slymepit/

I'll do it if you can make it possible to submit to reddit throgh here... or maybe I just feel really lazy because I'm tired right now?

[Lsuoma]

Which would both be awesome if she had put something out *prior* to my saying something about the expensive shoes. It was only then that she decided to put out some of this. She stated in prior posts that she had enough to cover her for a few months. In my low-ball world, that's about $8K. She was out of work for about 6 weeks. Not months. And not a fucking peep about how that money would be handle. Not until she put out about her cute new, expensive shoes. *Now* she's putting up a "refund" policy and how she pays taxes? Big whoop-ti-fucking-do. She's no better than those TV evangelists.

This was my first thought too, scum Renee.

Re. your claim that she's no better that TV evangelists, it has to be said that they take in significantly more money than she does, and hence they embezzle and splurge on a larger scale than she would be able to.

However, if she were to have similar opportunity does anyone here think she wouldn't be Learjetting it around. As I've heard a lot from people over at FfTB, "Citation needed,", but the bloggers themselves are probably referring to this sort of citation.

[Eucliwood]

However, if she were to have similar opportunity does anyone here think she wouldn't be Learjetting it around. As I've heard a lot from people over at FfTB, "Citation needed,", but the bloggers themselves are probably referring to this sort of citation.

Lsuoma, is your head fat like in the avatar? I am just wondering.