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ReneeHendricks wrote:Just saying....

My level of dislike of Ophelia Benson has gone from dislike to loathe. She's a fucking stupid asshole who clearly cannot read or realize what integrity or honesty actually is.
That Ophelia Benson doesn't seem to know the difference* between people making "rape jokes" and using words she doesn't like and her claiming on social media that I'm going to shoot a well known pseudo-skeptic, while she is a participant in an orchestrated doxing/employer harassment plan, really just means she's a problem that takes care of itself.

As you know, mere claims of stalking and violent intent can have real-world consequences. That she and Melody Hensley throw that around in a "see what sticks" fashion is ominous. I won't stand for it.

And as Benson started this "I know who he is" (and he's going to shoot Rebecca Watson, by the way) may mean it was her that did the initial doxxing.

It may take a deposition to find out.

She has no integrity, all she has is self-interest and expediency and she's a self-absorbed, self-righteous cunt.

* [spoiler]To be fair, Steersman can't grasp this either[/spoiler]

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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Steersman wrote:
Eucliwood wrote:Steersman, doxxing can only be done to people whose information is not already publicly known.
So what do you think the following does to Mykeru’s apparent umbrage over, if not his "thinly veiled" charge of doxxing in response to, Melody using his name?

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I thought Mykeru was only objecting to Hensley's threat of contacting his employer?I don't remember him complaining about his name being doxxed. With regards to Laden, he was only pissed that Laden doxxed his ex wife's former address. I never heard Mykeru complain about his name being released. Am I mistaken?

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Steersman wrote:
Eucliwood wrote:Steersman, doxxing can only be done to people whose information is not already publicly known.
So what do you think the following does to Mykeru’s apparent umbrage over, if not his "thinly veiled" charge of doxxing in response to, Melody using his name?

http://i48.tinypic.com/raouu0.jpg
It wasn't in response to Melody using my name. Try again.

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franc wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:
Steersman wrote:And if you hadn’t put your head in the sand – or some other place where the sun don’t shine – by putting me on ignore – you might have noticed that I’m a long way from wanting to be spoon fed. Conventional wisdom and group think – how do they work? Dickhead.
Roger that, Steerzo. Cunt.
Steersman attempts to look up a reference, without demanding someone else do it for him, no training wheels, safety harness or net, for the first time -

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You’re one to throw stones, grains of sand actually, as I notice that you still haven’t got around to correcting that claim in your “Things Baboons Say” that insisted that Myers had deleted all of Skep tickle’s post on a thread of his.



And that’s even after someone else provided the links to the posts in that thread, even though I had pointed to one of them earlier – which you probably didn’t notice as your head was probably in the sand or up your ass.

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lurktard wrote:The driver is responsible for his car and his driving behaviour and the consequences. Why is it not the driver's fault for driving without looking appropiatly far enough given his speed? In your example the driver was too fast for the situation. He drove irresponsibly and caused a lot of damage.
If you jump in front of a moving train, and suffer a lot of damage, is it the train operator's fault for driving irresponsibly?

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fascination wrote:[spoiler]
Steersman wrote:
Eucliwood wrote:Steersman, doxxing can only be done to people whose information is not already publicly known.
So what do you think the following does to Mykeru’s apparent umbrage over, if not his "thinly veiled" charge of doxxing in response to, Melody using his name?

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I thought Mykeru was only objecting to Hensley's threat of contacting his employer?I don't remember him complaining about his name being doxxed. With regards to Laden, he was only pissed that Laden doxxed his ex wife's former address. I never heard Mykeru complain about his name being released. Am I mistaken?
That's very concise. I wonder why Steersman is entirely unable to grasp that.

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ReneeHendricks wrote:Before it's deleted, what I said on Ophelia Bensons' shit blog:
If Greta had even given an inkling what the *months* worth of money was going to, I’d be much more accommodating. But she hasn’t. Not one single tweet or post about it. The next thing people hear is how she bought shoes that many of us middle income people wouldn’t even think about, much less if we had to worry about cancer.

My guy is being checked for lymphoma. Yeah, curable. But not as easily as Greta. First off, it would never occur to us to go online and e-beg. However, if we had to for some reason, you had better believe every single cent sent to us would be publicly accounted for. That’s my problem.

If you have an issue with this then I can only make one conclusion: you are unethical and not someone I want representing me to the public in as far as being an atheist or a skeptic. You’re on the same level as theist televangelists.


The televangelist perspective is very appropriate. Oafie and her pals are used to sitting on a raised platform, preaching from the podium, and receiving accolades from their faithful. Now they’ve started shearing their flock. I wouldn’t expect anything less from narcissistic snake-oil peddlers.
At http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... ent-405232

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franc wrote:Which is why the complete Oxford English Dictionary is 20 volumes and 22,000+ pages I guess. They did their best to keep it "compact" just to fuck with SJW no doubt. Morons.
Every time I've seen them discover their ideology is at cross-purposes with meatspace reality, it's meatspace that's wrong. Mao depended on pissants like these to be enforcers for his Cultural Revolution. I'm glad they're fringe and not the front edge of a genuine popular movement.

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Gahh, don't know how I jacked that response up.

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fascination wrote:
Steersman wrote:
Eucliwood wrote:Steersman, doxxing can only be done to people whose information is not already publicly known.
So what do you think the following does to Mykeru’s apparent umbrage over, if not his "thinly veiled" charge of doxxing in response to, Melody using his name?

http://i48.tinypic.com/raouu0.jpg
I thought Mykeru was only objecting to Hensley's threat of contacting his employer?I don't remember him complaining about his name being doxxed. With regards to Laden, he was only pissed that Laden doxxed his ex wife's former address. I never heard Mykeru complain about his name being released. Am I mistaken?
His first tweet, apart from looking somewhat like a non sequitur:
Yes @Melody Hensley you know nothing about doxxing, but you keep using the name supplied to Laden.
In the context of the first part of the sentence, it seems quite probable that the name she “keeps using” has to be the one he released himself. Why would she be using any other one and why would Mykeru apparently be bent out of shape if that was the case?

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Steersman wrote:
Eucliwood wrote:Steersman, doxxing can only be done to people whose information is not already publicly known.
So what do you think the following does to Mykeru’s apparent umbrage over, if not his "thinly veiled" charge of doxxing in response to, Melody using his name?
All this talk of what qualifies as doxxing is missing the point. It's all about intent. Laden and Hensley were clearly using Mykeru's real name in an attempt to intimidate him into silence. They thought he didn't want that information out there, and that they could manipulate him by threatening to reveal it.

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ReneeHendricks wrote:Before it's deleted, what I said on Ophelia Bensons' shit blog:
...The next thing people hear is how she bought shoes that many of us middle income people wouldn’t even think about, much less if we had to worry about cancer.
Hey now... I have a couple pairs of Fluevogs that are awesome.

The thing is that my middle income is paying for it - not funds earned from begging for money from people based on complaints that you won't be able to pay your mortgage due to your illness.

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somedumbguy wrote:After Flewellyn claimed the SPLC had declared AVFM and Mens Rights hate groups, SkepticalJay pointed out to them http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3501 that the SPLC had denied that quite literally and said they did not consider AVFM or mens rights to be hate groups. Atheism+ spent many posts explaining that was the wrong of their words and the SPLC really was calling them a hate group after all.
I recently learned there's a name for what they're trying to engineer here - the Woozle Effect - where a report or study is incorrectly cited as supporting a claim, which spawns other papers citing the cite until the claim is commonly regarded as fact, with a hefty chain of linked citations buttressing it.

You might be particularly interested Wikipedia's example of a Woozle, regarding domestic violence. It's a factoid we've all heard.

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Steersman, you are saying that Mykeru is "bent out of shape" about Hensley using his name. I'm just not seeing it. I think he only got pissed about the implied threat to go to his employer. Mykeru confirmed that. I don't know hon, I just don't understand what your arguing here I guess. Unless you know Mykeru was upset about something that he claims he wasn't?

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xinit wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:Before it's deleted, what I said on Ophelia Bensons' shit blog:
...The next thing people hear is how she bought shoes that many of us middle income people wouldn’t even think about, much less if we had to worry about cancer.
Hey now... I have a couple pairs of Fluevogs that are awesome.

The thing is that my middle income is paying for it - not funds earned from begging for money from people based on complaints that you won't be able to pay your mortgage due to your illness.
Greta pretty much asked for this. It would have been very simple to say " I got around n dollars, of which m is more than I needed. So I'm going to set that in a separate account for <timeframe> in case the cancer returns. If it doesn't, then I'll donate it"

Simple, and solves the problem for reasonable people. By not doing that, she ensured it would look shady. It's is why the rules on 503c corps are so strict, because it is really easy to do, or give the appearance of doing, shady stuff with the money. If you're going to ask for charity, then the people donating do have some right to know you aren't misusing their donations. I can't believe someone as involved with charity groups as she is can be completely ignorant of this. Also explains why skepchicks never became a 503 group.

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xinit wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:Before it's deleted, what I said on Ophelia Bensons' shit blog:
...The next thing people hear is how she bought shoes that many of us middle income people wouldn’t even think about, much less if we had to worry about cancer.
Hey now... I have a couple pairs of Fluevogs that are awesome.

The thing is that my middle income is paying for it - not funds earned from begging for money from people based on complaints that you won't be able to pay your mortgage due to your illness.
Will she declare it on her taxes? As far as I know, and maybe others here that take PayPal donations for their sites can clear it up, I don't think she's a charitable organization. I would think that PayPal would not only send her a statement, but also the IRS.

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fascination wrote:Steersman, you are saying that Mykeru is "bent out of shape" about Hensley using his name. I'm just not seeing it. I think he only got pissed about the implied threat to go to his employer. Mykeru confirmed that. I don't know hon, I just don't understand what your arguing here I guess. Unless you know Mykeru was upset about something that he claims he wasn't?
As details such as the amount of time and effort it would take to dig through seven year old archives has been explained to Steersman before, his memory failures when engaged in narrative construction is all part of his charm. As is his citing a Twitter exchange where I was denying someone the pleasure of getting under my skin as an example of mendacity on my part.

All Steersman does it run interference and engage in test cases for Baboons.

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Ape+lust wrote:
somedumbguy wrote:After Flewellyn claimed the SPLC had declared AVFM and Mens Rights hate groups, SkepticalJay pointed out to them http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3501 that the SPLC had denied that quite literally and said they did not consider AVFM or mens rights to be hate groups. Atheism+ spent many posts explaining that was the wrong of their words and the SPLC really was calling them a hate group after all.
I recently learned there's a name for what they're trying to engineer here - the Woozle Effect - where a report or study is incorrectly cited as supporting a claim, which spawns other papers citing the cite until the claim is commonly regarded as fact, with a hefty chain of linked citations buttressing it.

You might be particularly interested Wikipedia's example of a Woozle, regarding domestic violence. It's a factoid we've all heard.
Interesting, thanks. And let's not let Wiki off the hook, they've been cited several times for promulgating hoaxes.

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Darren wrote:
Steersman wrote:
Eucliwood wrote:Steersman, doxxing can only be done to people whose information is not already publicly known.
So what do you think the following does to Mykeru’s apparent umbrage over, if not his "thinly veiled" charge of doxxing in response to, Melody using his name?
All this talk of what qualifies as doxxing is missing the point. It's all about intent. Laden and Hensley were clearly using Mykeru's real name in an attempt to intimidate him into silence. They thought he didn't want that information out there, and that they could manipulate him by threatening to reveal it.
I think that's what I find most insulting: Their assumption that those sort of threats would work with me.

Keep in mind though, this has nothing to do with feminism, misogyny, social justice and everything to do maintaining their position at the feeding trough of their scam version of the skeptical community.

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welch wrote:Greta pretty much asked for this. It would have been very simple to say " I got around n dollars, of which m is more than I needed. So I'm going to set that in a separate account for <timeframe> in case the cancer returns. If it doesn't, then I'll donate it"
Even simpler - buy the shoes, keep your mouth shut. She's either spectacularly stupid or spectacularly arrogant to think that yammering about $2-300 shoes wouldn't lift a lot of eyebrows, and not just in the pit.

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drolrev0 wrote:
papillon wrote:Any Anal Cunt fans here?........*crickets*..........oh, right.
I spent all my money on drugs, and couldn't afford to fly. I took a greyhound bus and your brat sat next to me. It wouldn't shut up... so I lit it on fire. For 30 seconds it was louder, and then it shut up. :goatse:
haha you've got cancer
I sold your dog to a chinese restaurant
She told me she was pregnant so I punched her in the stomach


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FUCKING PATRIARCHY ALWAYS TRYING TO KEEP WYMWN FROM HAVING NICE SHOES!!!!

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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Steersman wrote:His first tweet, apart from looking somewhat like a non sequitur:
Yes @Melody Hensley you know nothing about doxxing, but you keep using the name supplied to Laden.
In the context of the first part of the sentence, it seems quite probable that the name she “keeps using” has to be the one he released himself. Why would she be using any other one and why would Mykeru apparently be bent out of shape if that was the case?
I don't think Mykeru was upset about Melody using the name. It reads more to me like he was pointing out a (possible) lie on her part; that is, how could Melody be using the name supplied from Laden unless she knew at least something about the doxxing (even if only being told about it)? Whether she learned the name from his own tweet or from Laden is unknown, and she can claim that it was from Mykeru's tweet whether it's the truth or just a play at innocence.

The intent of his tweet seems pretty clear, but that's just my read.

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ShadowOfTheWickerman wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:
The reason they don't fill out the claims is, of course that the events depicted never happened. Witness Rebecca Wattson being too drunk to recognize a guys face or any other identifying features about him, but still sober enough to realize that she was being sexually harassed, as well as recall what he said to her.
Waitaminute, that means it coulda been PZ, right?

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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Rystefn wrote:
Let me guess: you or some dumbass you know stepped into a road without looking and got hit, and now you're desperate to put the blame on the driver for not protecting useless shitheads from their own stupidity? Fuck that. If you're stupid enough to step into the fucking road without looking, then the human race would be better if you didn't survive the impact and risk passing your idiot genes on to the next generation. Next you'll be claiming it's the crocodile's fault for snatching morons at the water's edge, not the morons for ignoring the crocodile, right?
Wow, Rystefn, I don't really believe in the "selective ...whatever its called" argument. This doesn't apply to someone who, one day, did not look properly on roads - anything, really. You wouldn't want someone in your face saying that at your family member or friend's funeral. Sometimes shit happens, and no one needs to have idiot genes to pass down to the next generation for that to happen. If they do, it's not their fault. I just said, when I started this whole thing by quoting the tards over at A+, that I once forgot to look left right left again after doing that once and finding it was not safe to cross - like I said, I turned around and the van was all up in my grill. Or, more accurately, I was all up in the van's grill. I'm pretty sure my death there wouldn't have benefited the human race much. And I AM having children. Does that irk you?

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Eucliwood wrote:
Rystefn wrote:
Let me guess: you or some dumbass you know stepped into a road without looking and got hit, and now you're desperate to put the blame on the driver for not protecting useless shitheads from their own stupidity? Fuck that. If you're stupid enough to step into the fucking road without looking, then the human race would be better if you didn't survive the impact and risk passing your idiot genes on to the next generation. Next you'll be claiming it's the crocodile's fault for snatching morons at the water's edge, not the morons for ignoring the crocodile, right?
Wow, Rystefn, I don't really believe in the "selective ...whatever its called" argument. This doesn't apply to someone who, one day, did not look properly on roads - anything, really. You wouldn't want someone in your face saying that at your family member or friend's funeral. Sometimes shit happens, and no one needs to have idiot genes to pass down to the next generation for that to happen. If they do, it's not their fault. I just said, when I started this whole thing by quoting the tards over at A+, that I once forgot to look left right left again after doing that once and finding it was not safe to cross - like I said, I turned around and the van was all up in my grill. Or, more accurately, I was all up in the van's grill. I'm pretty sure my death there wouldn't have benefited the human race much. And I AM having children. Does that irk you?
I'm a heartless bastard. Watch where you're fucking going.

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Ape+lust wrote:
welch wrote:Greta pretty much asked for this. It would have been very simple to say " I got around n dollars, of which m is more than I needed. So I'm going to set that in a separate account for <timeframe> in case the cancer returns. If it doesn't, then I'll donate it"
Even simpler - buy the shoes, keep your mouth shut. She's either spectacularly stupid or spectacularly arrogant to think that yammering about $2-300 shoes wouldn't lift a lot of eyebrows, and not just in the pit.
I vote for the latter. She's never come across as particularly bright to me.

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Ape+lust wrote:
welch wrote:Greta pretty much asked for this...
...She's either spectacularly stupid or spectacularly arrogant...
Those two possibilities are far from mutually exclusive.
Just sayin'

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Rystefn wrote: I'm a heartless bastard. Watch where you're fucking going.
"Watch where you're fucking going"!=The human race would be better off if you died. I'm sure the driver told me that too, but that doesn't mean they're like you. Maybe you need to get a heart and change your mind?

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Whisper Walrus wrote:
Steersman wrote:His first tweet, apart from looking somewhat like a non sequitur:
Yes @Melody Hensley you know nothing about doxxing, but you keep using the name supplied to Laden.
In the context of the first part of the sentence, it seems quite probable that the name she “keeps using” has to be the one he released himself. Why would she be using any other one and why would Mykeru apparently be bent out of shape if that was the case?
I don't think Mykeru was upset about Melody using the name. It reads more to me like he was pointing out a (possible) lie on her part; that is, how could Melody be using the name supplied from Laden unless she knew at least something about the doxxing (even if only being told about it)? Whether she learned the name from his own tweet or from Laden is unknown, and she can claim that it was from Mykeru's tweet whether it's the truth or just a play at innocence.

The intent of his tweet seems pretty clear, but that's just my read.
Well, that's it.

The only conclusion that can be drawn: Steersman is a dick.

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justinvacula wrote:http://i.imgur.com/oNxwa.jpg

Interesting, interesting. The internet was the judge and jury for my 'doxxing' of Surly Amy (which wasn't).

Also, can we please have the police or courts to fill in on these claims of 'rape threats' and 'harassment' Melody and company raise?
She's the only one I've seen threatening. Though I don't think anyone should be concerned because (as far I've seen) there's been no harassment that's been going on.

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welch wrote:If you're going to ask for charity, then the people donating do have some right to know you aren't misusing their donations.
...Not according to Svan:
Svan wrote:No, You May Not Have Shoes
Posted by Stephanie Zvan

There’s a weird little tendency that many of us have, when we have given money (directly, through charity, or as a tax) to someone, to think we have some right to dictate how that money is spent.
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Eucliwood wrote:
Rystefn wrote: I'm a heartless bastard. Watch where you're fucking going.
"Watch where you're fucking going"!=The human race would be better off if you died. I'm sure the driver told me that too, but that doesn't mean they're like you. Maybe you need to get a heart and change your mind?
Unlikely. Can you point to anything you've done to demonstrate that the human race wouldn't be better off without you?

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Post by franc »

ShadowOfTheWickerman wrote:
Dimwit Rorschach wrote:People like TF and Stefanelli are ballast falling off the wagons, while the A+ movement leaps forward.
Atheism plus isn't sinking. It's soaring, just like the Hindenburg!
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Rystefn wrote:
Unlikely. Can you point to anything you've done to demonstrate that the human race wouldn't be better off without you?
Wow, with that logic, everyone should be killed off before they go off to college. Anything I've done? lol. What much can I do besides the small things? Canned food drives, the usual.

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Cunning Punt wrote:Not only from what you thought it was, but also from what most dictionaries give as their definition of "feminism". It's commonly given as:
1. Belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes.
2. The movement organized around this belief.

That's part of the minefield. PZ, for example, calls his detractors MRAs and "anti-feminists" (presumably with a straight face) when they disagree with how "feminism" is being used/understood/applied (differently than the dictionary definition), while claiming that his use of feminism is the same as the dictionary definition.
And then he'll say, "but feminism is just the radical idea that women are people too," as if to say, "don't you think women are people too?"[/quote]

*shrug*

The Mens Rights Movement is based on the radical idea that men are people too.

The above is disruptive to the narrative, and as you can see from the various responses by the likes of PeeZuss, refutes the dichotomy held by some that women = good and men = evil.

(Need I mention the zero-sum attitude that giving men their equal rights = less rights for women?)

Therefore, it follows that a man advocating for his rights hates all women, because as we all know rights are a limited resource and more rights for me means less for thee. Right?

*shrug*

Of course for the MRAs this just falls in with what they have been saying all along. That they are living under the jackboots of the misrandic Gynofacists wot control the vagina supply, and who furthermore have no intention of allowing anyone to hear their voices, yearning to be free, and demanding their rights to be treated like yuman beans.

So, let us contemplate Creepy Bitter Girl directing her merry band engaged in removing posters that were put up with permission, not to mention the casual waving of a boxcutter near the face of John the Other. Yet these brave SJW simply do a fade when the police arrive.

Now, contrast the above actions, with that well recieved speech by Creepy Bitter Girl where she talks about "rights" and the picture should be clear as to who she thinks should have rights and who clearly deserve none.

Reminds me of the very first slave uprising in Haiti many years ago. Turns out that the mestizos thought it would be a jolly good idea that now that the blancs were defeated, that the blacks should go back to being slaves. That did not go down well for some reason then. So we should not be surprised that it is not going down too well here and now either.

Feminism promised men freedom also when the women got theirs. Welp, to a whole bunch of men, it looks like women got their freedoms, and now those liberated women think that men should just continue on as before, but as their slaves as well.

Problem is, now those uppity niggers men now want their freedom too.

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fascination wrote:Steersman, you are saying that Mykeru is "bent out of shape" about Hensley using his name. I'm just not seeing it.
Darren (above) seems to have reached about the same conclusion that I did, that Mykeru was in fact, or manifesting crocodile tears to suggest that he was, “bent out of shape”:
All this talk of what qualifies as doxxing is missing the point. It's all about intent. Laden and Hensley were clearly using Mykeru's real name in an attempt to intimidate him into silence. They thought he didn't want that information out there, and that they could manipulate him by threatening to reveal it.
fascination wrote:I think he only got pissed about the implied threat to go to his employer. Mykeru confirmed that. I don't know hon, I just don't understand what you’re arguing here I guess. Unless you know Mykeru was upset about something that he claims he wasn't?
Mykeru’s first statement above about the name and the doxxing comes well before the discussion about his place of employment so that threat can’t have influenced that first statement. For him to have made that first statement, one would think the use of his name should have contributed to him making it. Why else make the statement except maybe for the purpose of harassment? Unless he’s in the habit of making statements without any rhyme or reason or is somehow prescient and knew that Melody was going to threaten going to his employer.

Although I see he is now claiming that he had another intent in mind when he made that statement – intent, ain’t it marvelous the magic it provides. Rhetorically speaking, I wonder whether we might have a discussion on the probabilities of various possibilities.

But he might well have been pissed about that threat, although I’m finding that a little improbable. Such threats, to be at all credible, have to carry the threat of some degree of harm and that seems to be predicated on, in many cases anyway, some degree of culpability in some crime. Can’t very well threaten much damage if all one could tell the victim’s employer is that the victim was seen washing his car – even on a Sunday. And threatening to tell Mykeru’s employer that he was an atheist or a harasser and a cyberbully? I expect that the former isn’t something that any government is technically allowed to use – discrimination and all that – and the latter is something that most sane employers are going to want to see a legal judgement before doing anything about.

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Post by Rystefn »

Eucliwood wrote:
Rystefn wrote:
Unlikely. Can you point to anything you've done to demonstrate that the human race wouldn't be better off without you?
Wow, with that logic, everyone should be killed off before they go off to college. Anything I've done? lol. What much can I do besides the small things? Canned food drives, the usual.
I'm more than open to allowing for a reasonable time frame. By the same token, I don't think the human species would be better off without each specific neutral-impact person, merely without so fucking many of them. I hope your close call has inspired to teach you offspring to pay attention to the world around them, because while some people may look out for them and try to protect, the world at large will not, and in fact, most of it could not give a shit less if they live or die.

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Thanks for the recent donation from Germany.

Gonna buy me some fuckin' shoooooooooeeeeeeeees!!!!!!!

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Post by welch »

papillon wrote:
welch wrote:If you're going to ask for charity, then the people donating do have some right to know you aren't misusing their donations.
...Not according to Svan:
Svan wrote:No, You May Not Have Shoes
Posted by Stephanie Zvan

There’s a weird little tendency that many of us have, when we have given money (directly, through charity, or as a tax) to someone, to think we have some right to dictate how that money is spent.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... ave-shoes/
I don't really care what zvan thinks other than blogging material. I have a policy: "Don't take the opinions of idiots seriously, nor allow edge cases to determine how things work". You'd be amazed how easy life gets when you do that.

For example, my boss and I have regular talks about non-work things. We were discussing abortion once and he had an idea that was amazingly smart:

"There are people who think that abortion should never be allowed, ever, regardless of reason. There are also people who think abortion should be allowed with the same amount of oversite used for buying Nyquil. Those people are stupid, and we should therefore ignore what they have to say about important issues."

That applies really well to about everything.

There are substantive issues regarding feminism, atheism, their respective intersections, and bad behavior at conferences, which does actually happen.

However, allowing idiots who insist on extremes being the norm and the rest of it to have input in the discussions of these issues is just stupid. You don't allow a flat-earther to plan space missions, you don't allow a pentacostal AG to teach biology, because when you do such things, it always ends up stupid. This may sound elitist. Good, because it is. If one wishes to be stupid, that is one's right, but in doing so, don't expect me to treat you as though you are not stupid.

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Post by welch »

Ape+lust wrote:
welch wrote:Greta pretty much asked for this. It would have been very simple to say " I got around n dollars, of which m is more than I needed. So I'm going to set that in a separate account for <timeframe> in case the cancer returns. If it doesn't, then I'll donate it"
Even simpler - buy the shoes, keep your mouth shut. She's either spectacularly stupid or spectacularly arrogant to think that yammering about $2-300 shoes wouldn't lift a lot of eyebrows, and not just in the pit.
Greta not brag?

I could expect my dog to speak perfect Korean with better expectation of success.

Is it just me, or is there no small irony in such an ardent defender of womyn's rights expecting people to give a fuck about her shoes.

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papillon wrote:
welch wrote:If you're going to ask for charity, then the people donating do have some right to know you aren't misusing their donations.
...Not according to Svan:
Svan wrote:No, You May Not Have Shoes
Posted by Stephanie Zvan

There’s a weird little tendency that many of us have, when we have given money (directly, through charity, or as a tax) to someone, to think we have some right to dictate how that money is spent.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... ave-shoes/
WTF? Could these assholes be bigger hypocrites?

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Post by welch »

Rystefn wrote:
Eucliwood wrote:
Rystefn wrote: I'm a heartless bastard. Watch where you're fucking going.
"Watch where you're fucking going"!=The human race would be better off if you died. I'm sure the driver told me that too, but that doesn't mean they're like you. Maybe you need to get a heart and change your mind?
Unlikely. Can you point to anything you've done to demonstrate that the human race wouldn't be better off without you?
There are 7 billion or so people on this planet. Most are redundant. Myself included.

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Ok, so on the Mykeru-Steersman exchange above:

Mykeru is clearly upset about the threat to go to his employer. Of course he should be. A lot of people use pseudonyms online because they wish to express themselves freely without it interfering with their unrelated professional life. He likely uses his pseudonym for, among other reasons, ensuring that his words are not associated with his employer.

And for that reason, if he is pissed about the disclosure of his name, he should be. it was clearly not his intent to have it public and it wasn't anyone else's place to make it public. (If he were engaged in criminal behaviour, it could be disclosed to the police which is the appropriate way to deal with criminal behaviour)

I should point out at this stage that Melody Hensley works as a leader of a secularist organisation, doesn't use a pseudonym and is active (and has a relatively widely heard voice) on the internet in the atheist / secular community because of her role as a leader of that organisation. While she does say her tweets are not CFI-endorsed, it is inevitable that because of such a huge overlap between her professional and personal life online (including her express identification as being one-and-the-same Melody Hensley in her twitter profile), that her communications will be associated with her professional role.

For that reason, I think we should feel free to contact CFI to express our concern that such an irrational person is in a leadership position at a rationalist organisation.

AND what the hell is Steersman talking about when he says:
Steersman wrote:
fascination wrote: And threatening to tell Mykeru’s employer that he was an atheist or a harasser and a cyberbully? I expect that the former isn’t something that any government is technically allowed to use – discrimination and all that – and the latter is something that most sane employers are going to want to see a legal judgement before doing anything about.
Steersman, I practice in employment law (as well as other areas of law). You're wrong that an employer would require a "legal judgment" before firing someone because of alleged conduct. If they had sufficient concerns about the conduct alleged or if the complaints came thick and fast (like complaints about harassment, no matter how concocted, have been coming thick and fast in the online atheist community) they could easily dismiss him (they may even justify it in some vague way like 'productivity').

I would also point out that 'firing' is not the only negative impact of such complaints. He may lose the respect of an employer that he has worked very hard to get.

And that's the problem. We know Melody & co are prepared to mislead about 'harassment' and 'threats' that have never occurred. We don't know what they would be prepared to say to an employer. We don't know, and they intend for the threats to be vague enough so that we can't know until they do it.

Steersman, you're being a dickhead and I don't know why.

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Dammit. That last quote was all Steersman, not fascination. Sorry, fascination.

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Post by welch »

Rystefn wrote:
Eucliwood wrote:
Rystefn wrote:
Unlikely. Can you point to anything you've done to demonstrate that the human race wouldn't be better off without you?
Wow, with that logic, everyone should be killed off before they go off to college. Anything I've done? lol. What much can I do besides the small things? Canned food drives, the usual.
I'm more than open to allowing for a reasonable time frame. By the same token, I don't think the human species would be better off without each specific neutral-impact person, merely without so fucking many of them. I hope your close call has inspired to teach you offspring to pay attention to the world around them, because while some people may look out for them and try to protect, the world at large will not, and in fact, most of it could not give a shit less if they live or die.
Honestly, as someone who has survived 5 collisions with cars as a pedestrian / bicyclist, they're not that bad. Well, until they are. They tend to be binary. You either get away with some scrapes and bruises, or you're really fucked up/dead. Hell, I had one dude deliberately hit me, because he didn't like bicyclists. He should have done a better job. Adrenalin is awesome, like when you pick up your bike and drive it through a rear window. Makes finding the guy a lot easier. Something about a big fucking car with a ten-speed embedded in the rear window and a freaked out driver being really obvious.

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Bragging about shoes is sort of a girl thing.

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Mykeru wrote:
fascination wrote:Steersman, you are saying that Mykeru is "bent out of shape" about Hensley using his name. I'm just not seeing it. I think he only got pissed about the implied threat to go to his employer. Mykeru confirmed that. I don't know hon, I just don't understand what your arguing here I guess. Unless you know Mykeru was upset about something that he claims he wasn't?
As details such as the amount of time and effort it would take to dig through seven year old archives has been explained to Steersman before, his memory failures when engaged in narrative construction is all part of his charm. As is his citing a Twitter exchange where I was denying someone the pleasure of getting under my skin ….
Thousands might believe you, although I wonder whether a jury would.
… an example of mendacity on my part.

And who said anything about mendacity? Oh, yes, you did – guilty conscience?
All Steersman does is run interference and engage in test cases for Baboons.
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Oh, bravo!

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Greta's just written a post on her blog about the "Shoe Controversy"

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AndrewV69 wrote:
Cunning Punt wrote:Not only from what you thought it was, but also from what most dictionaries give as their definition of "feminism". It's commonly given as:
1. Belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes.
2. The movement organized around this belief.

That's part of the minefield. PZ, for example, calls his detractors MRAs and "anti-feminists" (presumably with a straight face) when they disagree with how "feminism" is being used/understood/applied (differently than the dictionary definition), while claiming that his use of feminism is the same as the dictionary definition.
And then he'll say, "but feminism is just the radical idea that women are people too," as if to say, "don't you think women are people too?"
*shrug*

The Mens Rights Movement is based on the radical idea that men are people too.

The above is disruptive to the narrative, and as you can see from the various responses by the likes of PeeZuss, refutes the dichotomy held by some that women = good and men = evil.

(Need I mention the zero-sum attitude that giving men their equal rights = less rights for women?)

Therefore, it follows that a man advocating for his rights hates all women, because as we all know rights are a limited resource and more rights for me means less for thee. Right?

*shrug*

Of course for the MRAs this just falls in with what they have been saying all along. That they are living under the jackboots of the misrandic Gynofacists wot control the vagina supply, and who furthermore have no intention of allowing anyone to hear their voices, yearning to be free, and demanding their rights to be treated like yuman beans.

So, let us contemplate Creepy Bitter Girl directing her merry band engaged in removing posters that were put up with permission, not to mention the casual waving of a boxcutter near the face of John the Other. Yet these brave SJW simply do a fade when the police arrive.

Now, contrast the above actions, with that well recieved speech by Creepy Bitter Girl where she talks about "rights" and the picture should be clear as to who she thinks should have rights and who clearly deserve none.

Reminds me of the very first slave uprising in Haiti many years ago. Turns out that the mestizos thought it would be a jolly good idea that now that the blancs were defeated, that the blacks should go back to being slaves. That did not go down well for some reason then. So we should not be surprised that it is not going down too well here and now either.

Feminism promised men freedom also when the women got theirs. Welp, to a whole bunch of men, it looks like women got their freedoms, and now those liberated women think that men should just continue on as before, but as their slaves as well.

Problem is, now those uppity niggers men now want their freedom too.[/quote]

I'm reading "The Myth of Male Power" at the moment. That horrible woman in Toronto got me looking up Warren Farrell. I figure the only way to learn is go to the source rather than other people's interpretation of what he says.

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AndrewV69 wrote:
Andrew, what does in.mala...blabla mean, that PZ moaned about?

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JAB wrote: point 1. Yes the driver is in control of the car, and if the car breaks the rules and causes a collision, they are at fault. The pedestrian is in control of their speed. If they jump in front of a moving car they are at fault if physics etc makes stopping impossible. To leave it otherwise is to make an infant out of the pedestrian, since they are responsible for jumping out.

Point 3. Damage isn't caused by energy, but by force. A lot of energy was applied to Chris Hadfield's body last month, but he's doing fine right now in orbit. And both sides in a collision exert the same force. You're just mad because you keep leaving your air bag at home.

The rules aren't arbitrary, they're sensible and arrived at and improved over a long time. Certain bits may be arbitrary, like deciding which side to drive on, but it's crucial that everyone agree. Like I said before... if you want a rule changed... lobby for it. If you still don't like it... move out into the woods somewhere.
Children are pedestrians. A driver cannot see from far away the mental capacities of adults. I don't make children out of pedestrians, some pedestrians are children or think like children and they aren't always recognizable. Driver's license owners have demonstrated appropiate capacities to drive a car (or should have). A responsible driver has to calculate for mistakes of other people in traffic, because mistakes happen all the time. If a driver sees someone who he suspects hasn't seen him in return, the driver has to adapt (mainly by reducing his speed) to stay responsible. I say it again I am talking about fundamental principles which apply before any rules come into play. Principles the man made rules are based on by taking them into account.

Yes, force is important, but also energy is needed to cause damage. If you want to create a force, that actually destroys something, you better be able to back it with energy. A force that doesn't cause some kind of energy conversion does jack shit, it certainly does no physical damage. Modern cars often deliberately deform on crahses more than old cars to reduce the acceleration and therefor the force on the driver. It works, because energy is needed to deform the cars.
Also said force doesn't come out of nowhere. It's F=ma=m*s/t²=m*v/t
Once again the higher the mass and the velocity of the participants the higher the force potentionally becomes. It is ridiculous to say a driver of a car doesn't have a greater responsibilty. Simply based on the amount of damage he causes when he does fuck up. You know, that shit is actually measurable. Why do I need to explain to "skeptics"(?) that a car which drives into a wall does more damage than a pedestrian who walks into a wall? Or alternatively: Why the fuck do you think that vastly different amount of caused damage, somehow, becomes equal when car and pedestrain run into each other than into a wall?

I am hearing lame exuses after lame excuses, why my point of view, that a driver has higher responsibility because of much higher damage potential, is inferior to an argument which doesn't seem to go further than "rules are rules".

I am not talking about the rules. I am talking about the physical reality and the morality to base such rules on. And as I said I'm fine with the rules, they are largely beneficial. Only such rules may even allow you to drive faster in most situations because now you actually have a reason to expect certain behaviours from other people. You can include them into your risk calculation. They don't override the underlying principles of moral and physical nature.

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Outwest wrote:Greta's just written a post on her blog about the "Shoe Controversy"
Greta wrote:So here’s the first thing I’ll say about this absurd manufactured mini-controversy...

...4: When men spend money on clothing, it’s seen as a legitimate expense; when women spend money on clothing, it’s seen as frivolous fashion.
Manufactured non-troversies, eh? Good thing she's against them.

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Post by franc »

justinvacula wrote:http://i.imgur.com/oNxwa.jpg

Interesting, interesting. The internet was the judge and jury for my 'doxxing' of Surly Amy (which wasn't).

Also, can we please have the police or courts to fill in on these claims of 'rape threats' and 'harassment' Melody and company raise?
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rocko2466 wrote:
justinvacula wrote:http://i.imgur.com/oNxwa.jpg

Interesting, interesting. The internet was the judge and jury for my 'doxxing' of Surly Amy (which wasn't).

Also, can we please have the police or courts to fill in on these claims of 'rape threats' and 'harassment' Melody and company raise?
She's the only one I've seen threatening. Though I don't think anyone should be concerned because (as far I've seen) there's been no harassment that's been going on.
I'll explain to you exactly how this will go down. Remember, I've experienced this before and much of what Greg Laden did consisted almost entirely of reading the online remnants of the last doxxing.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Melody Hensley or Ophelia Benson decide to initiate. Their goal will be to protect their cushy little scam. So, from their point of view they are fighting for their lives. Not because they think I'm a credible physical threat, but because they already feel their position slipping. The whole "replace the old white guys" move, whether the white guy in question is Dawkins or Kurtz, isn't going exactly to plan.

Thing is, Melody Hensley is vulnerable. Despite her protestations to the contrary, she has traded off her position at CFI into cred points in the greater skeptical community. Something which she is squandering with every ill-thought move. Even if the CFI leadership is not taking note, and they seem to be circle the wagon types, she knows she can't put her name on this.

Of course, they don't have to. This will be done by proxy, and anonymously, and framed as threats of personal harm against women. Whatever claims they make don't have to be true, or credible or even make much sense. They are intended to be harassing and inconvenient. And even if they go no where, they can always claim, after the fact, any accusation as if it has substance.

Even if their doxxing and accusations come back to bite them, and they will, and open up them up to scrutiny, they can't not do it. Their egos are entirely depended on it. They will do it to spite their face. They will do it even if it destroys them because, if you look at their past behavior, it has a sort of grim momentum, as if once they get started they just can't help themselves.

And in the short term, they hope, it will have a chilling effect. It might not do much to me, but it might serve as a warning to the more timid. This, like their fears, is mostly theater.

Look at Melody Hensley: Contactly me directly with the creepy name dropping, "we know who you are" and not very plausibly deniable threat was just about the stupidest thing she could have done. But so was they false flagging and account suspensions she is involved in. She has the impulse control of a six year old. How many people go out of their way to contact and provoke their supposed stalker?

Also, if you know anything about this, a stalker contacting the police accusing their target of stalking just to muddy the water is very common. Hensley seems to be following this tactic.

So, it's not if, it's when. Look at Laden a week ago when he claimed he was backing off when it was obviously he was just passing the onus on to someone else. To them, this seems clever rather than obvious.

Most important, they exist in an echo chamber that will always enable and amplify their worst tendencies.

We aren't dealing with people who are particularly smart, cunning or rational actors.

They just can't help themselves.

I mean, seriously, they just can't.

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papillon wrote:
welch wrote:If you're going to ask for charity, then the people donating do have some right to know you aren't misusing their donations.
...Not according to Svan:
Svan wrote:No, You May Not Have Shoes
Posted by Stephanie Zvan

There’s a weird little tendency that many of us have, when we have given money (directly, through charity, or as a tax) to someone, to think we have some right to dictate how that money is spent.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... ave-shoes/
That "tendency" seems neither weird nor unreasonable to me. Every charity to which I donate money sends out financial statements detailing how the money is spent. Don't approve of how the money is spent? Then don't donate to that charity. On the rare occasions I've donated to funds for internet friends who've fallen on hard times, it was made clear, in one way or another, what the money was spent on. And I choose to donate money to med student-run free clinics for the homeless and indigent, rather than give money to panhandlers.

I don't approve of the relative distribution of tax dollars at the federal or state level, but I'm not complaining about paying taxes, and I have a pretty good idea of how the tax pie is divided up. I actually do think I have a right to dictate how tax money is spent, and I can attempt to have some influence (indirectly) through voting, letter-writing, and grassroots political involvement.

I suppose if you continue to donate money and honestly believe that you have no say in how it should be spent, it will only add to your bizarre self-perception of victimhood.

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Ape+lust wrote:
Outwest wrote:Greta's just written a post on her blog about the "Shoe Controversy"
Greta wrote:So here’s the first thing I’ll say about this absurd manufactured mini-controversy...

...4: When men spend money on clothing, it’s seen as a legitimate expense; when women spend money on clothing, it’s seen as frivolous fashion.
Manufactured non-troversies, eh? Good thing she's against them.

Yeah, I couldn't get through it all. It would've caused me to have brushes on my forehead from all the slamming against the desk.

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Okay, "bruises" not brushes. Need to start using preview before I post.

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Ape+lust wrote:
Outwest wrote:Greta's just written a post on her blog about the "Shoe Controversy"
Greta wrote:So here’s the first thing I’ll say about this absurd manufactured mini-controversy...

...4: When men spend money on clothing, it’s seen as a legitimate expense; when women spend money on clothing, it’s seen as frivolous fashion.
Manufactured non-troversies, eh? Good thing she's against them.
Wow, she really had to turn Shoegate into a fucking 'it's the patriarchy'

What a cunt.

And for the record, Stephen 'darksyde' Andrew is also a fucking cunt for spending the donation money he got this xmas on fancy electronics! (Ipad I think).

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rocko2466 wrote: ...
I should point out at this stage that Melody Hensley works as a leader of a secularist organisation, doesn't use a pseudonym and is active (and has a relatively widely heard voice) on the internet in the atheist / secular community because of her role as a leader of that organisation. While she does say her tweets are not CFI-endorsed, it is inevitable that because of such a huge overlap between her professional and personal life online (including her express identification as being one-and-the-same Melody Hensley in her twitter profile), that her communications will be associated with her professional role.

For that reason, I think we should feel free to contact CFI to express our concern that such an irrational person is in a leadership position at a rationalist organisation.
That sounds like not a bad idea. She has clearly gone off the deep end there – and I’ll concede that her references to the government were most probably related to Mykeru’s place of employment. And that that probably qualifies as some serious harassment.

However, I have to wonder, and to sort of address your last question about me being, supposedly, a dickhead, how much of that response is due to what she at least perceives as harassment directed her way for which Mykeru might reasonably bear some responsibility. If one keeps poking a dog to the point it tears one’s arm off, I expect the court might take that into account in any case that comes before it on the question.
AND what the hell is Steersman talking about when he says:
fascination wrote:
Steersman wrote: And threatening to tell Mykeru’s employer that he was an atheist or a harasser and a cyberbully? I expect that the former isn’t something that any government is technically allowed to use – discrimination and all that – and the latter is something that most sane employers are going to want to see a legal judgement before doing anything about.
Steersman, I practice in employment law (as well as other areas of law). You're wrong that an employer would require a "legal judgment" before firing someone because of alleged conduct.
I did say "I expect" and "sane employers". But it is certainly nice to know that you are, apparently, a lawyer, although it tends to suggest to me that either Mykeru would have a serious claim to a wrongful dismissal suit or that it is further evidence of the saying that the law is an ass.

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