Periodic Table of Swearing

[Lapsang Souchong]

Is their final remark just more "shit that white feminists say"?

[youtube]hkbiB9kmF6I[/youtube]

[Lapsang Souchong]

Speaking of writers, I love listening to these old interviews of various authors by Don Swaim.

http://www.wiredforbooks.org/swaim/

[UnbelieveSteve]

So, if Eucliwood gets any more annoying to me, I'm going to set the post flood limit to 1800 seconds (30 minutes).

Then exempt EVERYONE else from the flood limit.

Oh, and I'd fully expect s/h/it to start whining elsewhere about banning. Won't stop me.

How many times has the ban hammer been used here?

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

So, if Eucliwood gets any more annoying to me, I'm going to set the post flood limit to 1800 seconds (30 minutes).

Then exempt EVERYONE else from the flood limit.

Oh, and I'd fully expect s/h/it to start whining elsewhere about banning. Won't stop me.

How many times has the ban hammer been used here?

Once, to some dude/dudette posting paedophilia. Seems fair enough as a reason for banning.

[Skep tickle]

That Nuggent blog was terrible! But here's an excellent video to wash that bad taste out of your mouths...
youtube: sQ33Zo0zZEI

Enjoyed that - thanks for posting it. Sounds level-headed but he does have a "side" in this. Particularly the section 13:00-13:38 where he talks about atheism, feminism, logic, and emotion (without defining feminism) might lead Dillahunty/FtB/Skepchick/A+ and their ilk to howl with rage and demand his gonads. In part, in that section he says:

" ...I believe that atheism and feminism shouldn't be mixed, and the cause of feminism, if you support it, I personally don't, don't believe it's necessary, should be championed on its own, without being mixed up with atheism, because you've got an emotional and occasionally logical position, and I don't mean to paint feminism as a purely emotional camp, it's not, there are logical reasons why people define themselves s feminists, I'm sure, I just don't happen to agree with those, having moved on with the logic, as it were, um but you're equating 2 things that are fundamentally incompatible. Atheism is arrived at through the application of logic, feminism isn't. I believe feminism is logically flawed..."

[HoneyWagon]

[spoiler]

A case can be made that a country that HAS to have separate trains, etc for women so that they are safer, does indeed have a rape or sexual harassment culture, one that the government is trying to combat. Obviously, a country where all people felt safe would not need separate trains.

you mean one separate section (or bogeys, as they are called in India) within the train. Typically single women take that. Women travelling with families dont. All that is for protection.. not just from sexual harassment.. but from other crime such as robbery of stuff on person.. such as jewelry.
You can start with the assumption that there's rape culture.. and look for anything that confirms your bias, and brush aside anything that contradicts it (the role men offer as protectors often at great cost to themselves, the laws enshrined in the state, etc). OR you can collect all data and go with Occam's razor.

Also, you gave many reasons why India is not all it could be yet. That doesn't counter if India has a rape culture or not, just gives a partial explanation as to why it might have one.

I listed those issues to demonstrate how shallow the average western commenter's knowledge is, in being able to understand the whole picture. single-factor explanations occur only in junior school physics textbooks. Also, I dont go around diagnosing problems or offering solutions to issues in Mongolia or Canada for a reason. People are prisoners of their experiences (and knowledge). When something is out of your league, better to keep your trap shut.[/spoiler]
Let me ask you something basic. Is there a rape-culture in the West (US say)? coz.. if you see it here, then you will most certainly see it everywhere in the world.
As Hoff-Sommers says, feminists are looking for ammunition and are not finding much in the West and so now must go and teach those poor sobs in the third world that they have rape culture? Have solutions.. need to find problems to apply them to. Do you realize that this only makes the intellectuals in those places hate the West more? After centuries of imperialism that pretty much fucked their resources.. do you hear those third world countries moan and groan anywhere near what feminists do?

I can't honestly say anything about rape culture, as it seems to be defined differently by different people.
I have never met anyone who is pro-rape or anything near it, but them you have idiots like thesehttp://www.tnr.com/blog/the-plank/10631 ... about-rape# who makes me question how they could say that outloud and not wonder why folks are pissed.

I am a female in a major city in the U.S. I do not worry about being raped as part of my day. But 2 things affect that:
1. I have never been raped or beaten, and I think if that were the case, I WOULD worry about it more.
2. I avoid being alone in places without a lot of people, especially at night. I am not thinking of rape per se, but crime in general.

I also had a great dad, so I have first hand experience that there are good men. This might be harder for someone with abusive men as they were growing up.

So much of what is going on now with all this talk is how people view the world based on their personal experiences...and not understanding when people with different experiences ALSO have something to say. I try to realize when I do that myself.

And then there are leaders in this that seem to have everything going for them like good jobs or expensive private education from their folks, and they are still acting like giant babies. They want to be protected from the internet and other opinions like children. I prefer not to be infantilized, myself.

That being said, they are crazy nutters on the Atheism+ board, and I cannot and will not see things their way. They are professional victims who see some bogeyman for the cause of all their problems. They may have greater hardships than I, but one has to take responsibility for how one reacts to hardship at some point. We all need help at some point in our lives, but locking one's self into the world view of Atheism+ is counterproductive.

[Skep tickle]

New thread at atheism+ forum asking what the banning of fake jewelry at events is about.

Couple of clues suggesting this particular newbie is not going to last long at that forum, including that he/she links to Justin Vacula's blog post about Surly Amy (the one that led to the DMCA, etc):


http://i.imgur.com/JtVRo.png

[Lurkion]

Has anyone made a hostility llama twitter yet? If not, why not?

Also, don't forget to check your privilege. I left mine on while I was asleep; embarrassing almost filled the house with androcentricity.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

New thread at atheism+ forum asking what the banning of fake jewelry at events is about.

Couple of clues suggesting this particular newbie is not going to last long at that forum, including that he/she links to Justin Vacula's blog post about Surly Amy (the one that led to the DMCA, etc):


http://i.imgur.com/JtVRo.png

To be fair to A+, horrible grammar/orthograph would be reason enough to ban this user.

[Skep tickle]

.... http://i.imgur.com/JtVRo.png

To be fair to A+, horrible grammar/orthograph would be reason enough to ban this user.

Hey, the guy undoubtedly has a learning disability! Check your grammatical privilege, Phil! :D

[franc]

Has anyone made a hostility llama twitter yet? If not, why not?

Just for the fuck of it, I google image searched -

[spoiler]http://images.veer.com/PIMG/MWP0017981_P_Baby-Llama.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e380/ ... llama2.jpg[/spoiler]

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

.... http://i.imgur.com/JtVRo.png

To be fair to A+, horrible grammar/orthograph would be reason enough to ban this user.

Hey, the guy undoubtedly has a learning disability! Check your grammatical privilege, Phil! :D

Smileys, smileys everywhere!

The poster might be foreigner too.

[Tony Parsehole]

For me it was dune. I read all the books (at the time, 5. Chapterhouse Dune was the last one), then burned all five, and threw the ashes in a lake so they couldn't be reconstituted. Fuck me, herbert needed an editor and bad. probably a blowjob too.

I liked the first book, it was a good story and an interesting and complex universe. I think Herbert should have left it at that. "Messiah" and "Children Of" were so-so, and then I had to force myself to finish God Emperor.

By that book, he had already abandoned any idea of writing a novel or having a plot, instead relying on the idea that "If no one can understand it, it must be really deep".

God Emperor was where I gave up. I loved the ideas behind the Mentats, Sardaukar and Bene Gesseritt and the universe itself was very atmospheric but the writing was shite throughout the series. Really long winded and badly structured. They needed to develop the Harkonnens more too.

[Tony Parsehole]

I see on the Dillahunty thread on Pharyngula they were suggesting that the expression "drama whore" should be replaced by "drama llama", and then someone else piped up with:

I think we should encourage dropping the “drama” part too. As a dismissive insult, it carries with it a sexist connotation (cf. “drama queen”>. Also, it’s usually used to belittle the real concerns of (mostly, though I acknowledge, not in this particular case) girls and women.

...

I say, use “conflict” or “hostility”, or, as I suggested to lilandra “malice”.

So, the term "drama whore" has now morphed into Hostility Llama.

Makes perfect sense.


If you're a fucking baboon.

This is why I secretly love FTB. Hostility llama? It's a keeper.

[sacha]

As an example, I love the show 'Citizen Radio'. But even they, imo, go a bit too far with the whole 'rape culture' thing.

Citizen Radio is hosted by Jamie Kilstein who is a good friend and outspoken supporter of Rebecca Watson and her brand of feminism.
http://elevatorgate.wordpress.com/2012/ ... en-to-him/

He's FfTBs little darling.

He and his wife are good friends with Jessica Valenti and Amanda Marcotte

He drank the Kool Aid quite a while ago.
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=73&p=11697#p11697

[Tony Parsehole]

Most of Terry Pratchett's Discworld novels can be read independently, and order is (relatively) unimportant. There are some diagrams for suggested reading order for say, the Death novels or the Witches novels, but I generally ignore them. China Miéville's Bas Lag novels can also be read in any order.

Allow me to commit geek suicide and say that although the Discworld novels are enjoyable they aren't funny and are majorly over-rated.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Most of Terry Pratchett's Discworld novels can be read independently, and order is (relatively) unimportant. There are some diagrams for suggested reading order for say, the Death novels or the Witches novels, but I generally ignore them. China Miéville's Bas Lag novels can also be read in any order.

Allow me to commit geek suicide and say that although the Discworld novels are enjoyable they aren't funny and are majorly over-rated.

Go die in a fire. Please.

What?!? I said please!

[Darren]

http://imgur.com/fqjIa.jpg

[Darren]

Go die in a fire. Please.

What?!? I said please!

What's diskworld?

[Oneiros666]

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... 904286.jpg

Hey, are you that guy from Troll Hunter? Nice to get another addition to the Nordic contingent.

[spoiler]I get your argument about flat tax, if it meant increasing the rate for the poorer and reducing it for the wealthy. But here in Norway it would mean keeping at the same level as today for poor (already quite low thanks to the 15k cut-off), reducing it for the middle class (the vast majority of the populace in Norway and actually increasing it for the über-rich (that today only pay 28 % on capital gains after deductions for interest- costs).[/[/spoiler]quote]

If there's a cut-off point for taxation and a flat rate above that, that would still be a progressive tax system. It could be better than a steeper progressive tax but that's "haggling over the price", so to speak.

1. Haha, no, I am not the Troll Hunter guy (his name is Otto Jespersen); but thanks for the compliment :)

2. Yes, I know it could be called that and that I am in fact arguing for a "more flat" tax rate since I want to have a 15-20k deduction/cut-off point (in Norwegian "bunnfradrag"). But should we spend lots of time arguing over what a word means or the content of one's argument? I think the latter. And I believe I have been very clear about my view of how I would like to the Norwegian tax system reformed.

[franc]

Go die in a fire. Please.

What?!? I said please!

What's diskworld?

Who's Terry Pratchett?

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Part of my library hates you all!

http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo35 ... 08b254.jpg

[Mykeru]

[spoiler]

New Video on the origins of A+/FTB/SCK:

[youtube]AVmq9dq6Nsg[/youtube]

It's not just the glasses. That is all.

[/spoiler]


Stop showing your "uploader allows this to be watched in your country privilege"

I apologize to the Third World.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Ok, beat me over the head for not using "spoiler".

[Lapsang Souchong]

Citizen Radio is hosted by Jamie Kilstein who is a good friend and outspoken supporter of Rebecca Watson and her brand of feminism.
http://elevatorgate.wordpress.com/2012/ ... en-to-him/

He's FfTBs little darling.

He and his wife are good friends with Jessica Valenti and Amanda Marcotte

He drank the Kool Aid quite a while ago.
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=73&p=11697#p11697

I used to sub to that sometime back. I listened to a few of their podcasts and found them, especially him, unlistenable for their obnoxious teenage rambling and intonation. I completely soured on them after hearing him interviewed by Joe Rogan about the rape joke.

[Tony Parsehole]

Go die in a fire. Please.

What?!? I said please!

What's diskworld?

Terry Pratchett's decent, but by no means genius, parody fantasy universe.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Go die in a fire. Please.

What?!? I said please!

What's diskworld?

Terry Pratchett's decent, but by no means genius, parody fantasy universe.

Any other hints?

[JackRayner]

Citizen Radio is hosted by Jamie Kilstein who is a good friend and outspoken supporter of Rebecca Watson and her brand of feminism.
http://elevatorgate.wordpress.com/2012/ ... en-to-him/

He's FfTBs little darling.

He and his wife are good friends with Jessica Valenti and Amanda Marcotte

He drank the Kool Aid quite a while ago.
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=73&p=11697#p11697

I used to sub to that sometime back. I listened to a few of their podcasts and found them, especially him, unlistenable for their obnoxious teenage rambling and intonation. I completely soured on them after hearing him interviewed by Joe Rogan about the rape joke.

The way he ran back to his wife, and made up all sorts of shit about what was actually said, has Kilstein ranking in somewhere bellow the old, chewed up bubble gum stuck to the bottom of my sneakers on my list of worthless, irritating shit. I don't have a grain of respect left for that douche.

Fuck it. I'll embed it here, too;

[spoiler][youtube]CYhxFvLTFbs[/youtube][/spoiler]

[Darren]

Who's Terry Pratchett?

I think she played Jadzia Dax in Star Trek DS9.

[Tony Parsehole]

Watching Matt's video again and at 5:55 he mentions Skepticon's harassment policy in which "vendors shouldn't be wearing sexualised outfits because the kind of convention they want focuses on ideas and they don't want booth babes."
That really grates on me and smacks of pure jealousy. Who gets to decide what is and isn't sexualised clothing? Is the omission of a Surly-Ramic and a pair of pretend-glasses sexualised clothing? (and if it isn't I bet it soon will be). Why the fuck are "booth babes" a bad thing? How is a person looking attractive going to affect the conference being about "ideas"? Since when did the fucking SCEPTIC community give a fuck about what other people wear?
So many questions. All rhetorical.

[franc]

Who's Terry Pratchett?

I think she played Jadzia Dax in Star Trek DS9.

You mean Superman's girlfriend?

[Michael J]

Go die in a fire. Please.

What?!? I said please!

What's diskworld?

Who's Terry Pratchett?

sacrilege.

[Mykeru]

Good find, franc! Sexual noises? Basketball hoops?

That and isn't she one of Watson's biggest fans.... looks like she's after some major victim credentials so she can be a true skepchick.

FWIW, her arrests were in the first half of 2011: http://www.theledger.com/article/201105 ... /110509806

Well, I have no idea what the credibility of The Ledger is, what their slant is, whether they are stenographers for the local government and if they do lazy journalism.

Now, EllenBeth Wachs is one of my least favorite people, but when you read the account it runs like this: Wachs claims she was trying to sleep at 8:30 in the morning after undergoing chemotherapy which, I assume, is unrelated to the previous claim that she has Multiple Sclerosis. When the kid wouldn't stop after she yelled out her window because, hell, why should he, his father claimed she made "simulated sex noises". When I first read that I took it at face value, but I would like to know the distinction between histrionic moaning of the "I'm so sick poor me" variety and "simulated sex noises". Unless there's something further like, I dunno, a recording, the sexual slant on the moaning could just be another example of the uncharitable reading of something that we have grown to love.

In any case, that's my most charitable reading of the "moaning"

March 13, 2011 was a Sunday. Where Wachs is wrong was in thinking some kid doing a little hoops on a weekend morning had to follow her schedule. If only she could ban and delete him, right? I think it's also reasonable to assume she is not the most affable neighbor and this incident was the culmination of many.

[Tony Parsehole]

Go die in a fire. Please.

What?!? I said please!

What's diskworld?

Terry Pratchett's decent, but by no means genius, parody fantasy universe.

Any other hints?

IMO The Witches books are consistently good, the Rincewind books are generally crap apart from "Interesting times" and the Guards books are usually weak with the exception of Night Watch.
Monstrous Regiment, Soul Music, Jingo, Moving Pictures, Unseen Academicals and Pyramids all made me want to stop reading.

[Mykeru]

carpet bombing our way back to sanity.

Lsouma, there's your next forum header subtitle.

[Reap]

Fuck me, but it has become impossible to respond to anything here within a relevant time frame. I mean, yes, it's nice that so many folks are joining us, sharing their experiences, and chit-chatting, as it were, but shit, man, it makes it hard to be current and relevant.

Anyway, as for the literate and illiterate illuminati, such as Welch, Rystefn, et al, perhaps you literary wits and narrative pundits could grow up a wee bit, assume just a titch of humility, and actually get your supposed intellectual shit together and learn, at your late age (shame, shame), to distinguish between "s/h/i/ts a lousy writer" and "I do not like s/h/i/ts work".

It becomes really tiresome to read some pompous horseshit from such otherwise intelligent, wise, and erudite folks completely missing the distinction between what they like, and what is, or is not, good writing, or well written narrative.

A personal example I like to use is Margaret Atwood. She is an exceptionally good writer; there are very, very few writers alive today who can equal her skill as a writer in all the various ways that define good writing versus bad writing, but I dislike most of her books, because they are so dry, and so deeply overloaded with allusions that one almost needs to have a thesauras, a dictionary, a dictionary of poetry, and a Bartlebys (and if you do not, without googling it, know what a Bartlebys is, you have no position of authority to make claims as to who is or is not a "good" writer) to actually understand what is going on in her stories.

So, does that make her a bad writer? No, absolutely not. It just makes her an often difficult, and sometimes, in some people's opinion, boring writer. But if you, or anyone, think she is a "bad" writer, then you, and anyone else, is an illiterate fool.

Is Clive Cussler a good writer? No, absolutely not, but enjoy him to the hilt. Same as Stephanie Myers, or Danielle Steele, a pair of truly egregious, and totally shitty, dreadful linguistically and dictionally incompetent writers, but loved by many housewives, shut-in lonely hearts, and teenage vundergrrls.

Anyway, rant almost over, but c'mon folks, get your critical thinking caps on, and stop trying to Pharyngulate literature.

Is Frank Herbert a good writer? Without exception, yes. Do many people find him boring, redundant, and uninteresting? Absolutely. Nonetheless, by all the variegated things that define good writing versus bad writing, he is an exceptionally good writer, who bores many people and thrills many others.

Is Stephen King a good writer? If I had the time and space to compose an essay arguing the point, I would say yes. But I do not, and so I will simply state that, in my opinion, as a professional and published writer of some decades standing, I think Stephen King is a brilliant writer, who often abuses his readers with needless "Kingesque" colloquial writing, goofy personal literary cliches, and other tools of the trade owned by only the most successful writers.

Was John Steinbeck a good writer? Only a fool would say no. Nonetheess, millions of Americans stated that he was a terrrible writer because they did not like what he wrote.

Are Stephanie Myers, Danielle Steele, Dan Brown, Clive Cussler, Preston and Child, etc., good writers? Absolutely not. Without exception, absolutely not. But they tell fun and entertaining stories. And many folk love their work.

Many folk are stupid, but that's beside the point.

Could you define the word "good" as used in your post?

[Lurkion]

Watching Matt's video again and at 5:55 he mentions Skepticon's harassment policy in which "vendors shouldn't be wearing sexualised outfits because the kind of convention they want focuses on ideas and they don't want booth babes."
That really grates on me and smacks of pure jealousy. Who gets to decide what is and isn't sexualised clothing? Is the omission of a Surly-Ramic and a pair of pretend-glasses sexualised clothing? (and if it isn't I bet it soon will be). Why the fuck are "booth babes" a bad thing? How is a person looking attractive going to affect the conference being about "ideas"? Since when did the fucking SCEPTIC community give a fuck about what other people wear?
So many questions. All rhetorical.

I know that last time I spent $400 on a conference to see prominent speakers I spent the whole fucking time staring at booth babes... Being a skeptic, I'm really easily distracted...

[Michael J]

Watching Matt's video again and at 5:55 he mentions Skepticon's harassment policy in which "vendors shouldn't be wearing sexualised outfits because the kind of convention they want focuses on ideas and they don't want booth babes."
That really grates on me and smacks of pure jealousy. Who gets to decide what is and isn't sexualised clothing? Is the omission of a Surly-Ramic and a pair of pretend-glasses sexualised clothing? (and if it isn't I bet it soon will be). Why the fuck are "booth babes" a bad thing? How is a person looking attractive going to affect the conference being about "ideas"? Since when did the fucking SCEPTIC community give a fuck about what other people wear?
So many questions. All rhetorical.

I know that last time I spent $400 on a conference to see prominent speakers I spent the whole fucking time staring at booth babes... Being a skeptic, I'm really easily distracted...

In the 2011 Australian GAC the Australian Sex Party had a booth. I wonder what they would make of that.

[mutleyeng]

Justicar has a good "live" response to Matt's video on YouTube.

If you don't have time to sit through the whole 30 minutes, make sure you at least watch the 30 seconds from this point for the money shot.

That was brilliant.
Thunderf00t should just mirror that on his own channel
He just destroys Dillahunty

[Git]

Well, there is that tiny data point that every fucking time socialism has been tried it has resulted in mass murder and tyranny.

Oh at least this fucking idiot isn't a septic. Why not tell Phil how he lives under a tyranny which is committing mass murder. I'm sure there are many other posters here from countries all over Europe who would be surprised to find that at some point they have voted for mass murder.

Git, what's the REAL reason you don't like socialism, focusing on the ideas themselves? Let's start with this question - Republican?

Fuck no, I am not a Republican, nor a Merkin. I happen to think, and human history bears this out, that "to each according to their need" is one of the most objectively evil statements in history.

Its also worth pointing out that apart from Belarus, there are no socialist states in Europe. Scandinavia is actually more capitalist than the UK - in Sweden a lot of the fecking ambulance services are privatised (for example), and corporate tax rates are lower than in the US and UK, and their tax systems are more regressive than in the US and the UK.

[Git]

Shit since we're all coming out of the political closet. I'm a leftist. Not the hipster, share my starbucks with you type of leftist. But i accept that as a society, in order to function, we must have a degree of wealth distribution.

I wouldn't even call that "leftism". Most modern capitalist democracies require a welfare safety net to work.

[Plonk]

http://i.imgur.com/r9S74.jpg

oh god how did this get in here I am not good with computer

[Michael J]

http://home.compete.com.edgesuite.net/f ... +++_uv.png

Hey FTBers, maybe you should just go back to doing that skepticism stuff as alienating the community is certainly not working for you.

(From http://www.attentionmeter.com HT to ATBC)

[franc]

Nugent is a well trained toilet slave. He likes Melody Hensley to use him and make him feel like a dirty boy -

[spoiler]http://i.imgur.com/C5WJZ.jpg[/spoiler]

[Git]

Libertarianism is more like Satanism.

Can't tell if sarcastic, but you have no idea how spot on you are. At least in terms of pre-Reagan libertarianism and LaVey style Satanism.

Yea Satanism is all about greed plain and simple, greed on all levels.

Err, no.

[Git]

A cutie indeed!

The kitty in my avatar was That One Special Pet. Named Gumby, of course. Unfortunately I had to put her to sleep last year (lymphoma).

Here's my new-ish cat Stimpy, and she is truly a super spastic retard.]

Top kitteh, Gumby.

[mutleyeng]

Yuk, Henesley is stalking WB.

I hate twitter, I can never work out full context of a conversation. I take it she is just saying she flagged WBs video, not that she flagged Thunderf00ts?

[Git]

I like Eucliwood.

She scared me a bit at first, but I think that's because she's just really really *passionate* about what she believes.

I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, unless of course they are malicious controlling assholes (yeah A+, talkin about you).

<old fart mode>
I like her too. She's enthusiastic, but she's probably young, and will settle down in time.
</old fart mode>

Eucliwood, people are winding you up. Go with the flow, give as good as you get, and you'll fit right in.

[John Greg]

Reap says (http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 600#p43759):

Could you define the word "good" as used in your post?

Good question Reap. It demands that I do some thinking. But, for the nonse, sure, let me try a weak and drunken response.

In the sense I intend, good means skillful and well structured diction, narrative flow, and semblance of logic, backed by a well crafted, articulate, and artistically/creatively fluent and well crafted prose that is accessible to the majority of potential readers without being simplistic, nor overly "highbrow", and, of course, a degree of believability that allows/enables the reader to become one with the story -- yee old, verisimilitude stuff, as it were.

Mind you, that is only a very small set of what I would consider the requirements of "good" writing. But, I do not think you want me to get overly in-depth on that at this point in time.

If you really want me to expand on what I mean by "good" writing, I would be glad to, but it would probably be best to do it via a PM, or email, or some-such.

Some examples: anything written by Danielle Steele, Stephanie Myers, Dan Brown, or Preston & Childs (however fun and entertaining, and enjoyable it may be), is "bad" writing because it is overflowing with trite and cliched plot, formulaic narrative, ridiculously simplistically one-level characters, very poor and juvenile diction, and so on.

Whereas, "good" writers, such as Steinbeck, le Carre, Stephen King, Dickens, Robertson Davies, Issac Asimov, Irvine Welsh, Rowling, et al., even when they fall into ludicrous plot lines and goofy unbeleivability still maintain well structured, well crafted, creative, eloquent language, plot structure, narrative flow, and so forth and so on, that holds together and maintains the narrative.

OK, OK, that is putting it all quite simplistically, but time, and space, do constrain us all.

[Git]

You know, at this point the FTB/Skephick crowd might as well just start saying "respect my beliefs" -- like theists often do from my experience in response to critical engagement -- and be done with it.

Privilege is just another original sin anyway.

[John Greg]

Plonk at http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 772#p43765

Jeebles flaming Krist, that is fucking brilliant.

mutleyeng said:

Yuk, Henesley is stalking WB [sic].

OK.

That's nice.

So, who or what the fuck is "WB"?

And how is WB being stalked?

How about providing a fucking link.

:roll:

Jesus Krist. How many time does it need to be repeated, over and over and over and over again:

Provide. a. Fucking. Link.

Fuck me backwards. I mean, really, how difficult is it?

[Mykeru]

Yuk, Henesley is stalking WB.

I hate twitter, I can never work out full context of a conversation. I take it she is just saying she flagged WBs video, not that she flagged Thunderf00ts?

If you use a program like Tweetdeck, it will link the conversation under the specific tweet.

[franc]

Yuk, Henesley is stalking WB.

I hate twitter, I can never work out full context of a conversation. I take it she is just saying she flagged WBs video, not that she flagged Thunderf00ts?

She flagged TF too the cunt. I notice her Twitter profile has been amended -

Melody Hensley
@MelodyHensley

CFI–DC ED, Women in Secularism Organizer, atheist, secular humanist, skeptic. Tweets not endorsed by CFI. Follow online misogynists and harassers get blocked.

Washington, DC, USA · https://www.facebook.com/melody.hensley

No "Executive Director at CFI" in big letters any more + a disclaimer. Nor on 'tardbook. Curious.

[franc]

Nugent is a well trained toilet slave. He likes Melody Hensley to use him and make him feel like a dirty boy -

[spoiler]http://i.imgur.com/C5WJZ.jpg[/spoiler]

[acathode]

As for Nugent's response to TF00t, it's quite full of holes and (knowing or unknowing) dishonesty. Though I also have to grudginly admit that he has a few points also.

First, the Amy-part:
He claims that TF00t made personal attacks against Amy? All I saw was him criticizing her ridiculous ideas that fake jewelry should be banned and that she somehow have the right to not be offended (even after being part of a group of people who did their best to smear TAM and demanded DJ's head on a platter).
Nuget tries his best to make Amy look like a victim, first by explaining what a nice person she is and how much good work she does for the community, and then explaining how horribly she was treated at TAM - some people wore false jewelry mocking her, and someone wore a T-shirt mocking skepchik.
Of course, Nuget completely forget to add the context, ie. that Amy was and still is part of a group of people who launched into a smear-campaign against TAM and DJ Groethe, demanding his head on a platter. Gee, how fucking strange that some people didn't welcome her with open arms! I wonder if he would welcome Eric Hoovind with open arms to his con, and expect him to not be "harrassed" and felt unwelcome? Nuget also "forgets" to link to the t-shirt in question, I guess it just wouldn't do if someone thought to click it and see themselves just how absolutely HORRIBLE that t-shirt was.

Then he starts playing dumb by explaining that Amy never said that fake jewelry was as bad as real groping. This thing called "language" is so fucking hard sometimes, isn't it? Sure, she never outright, literally, says that, but she sure as hell implies it to the next best thing to literally stating it. When she rattles off three rules, all labeled as "non crazy", it's pretty strongly implied that they are all in the same ballpark of things being quite wrong.
Hell, it's just a red herring anyway, even if she didn't claim that fake jewelry was as bad as groping, just the freaking idea that cons should ban "fake jewelry" should make her the laughing stock of the atheist community for a good deal of time.

Oh, and of course, the fact that's she's now stopped using the creationist tactics of DMCA abuse of course makes it alright! She turned the hate into positive... no, just fucking stop.

For the Watson part, I'd grudgingly say that he has a point. I think I understand what tf00t wanted to show, and I sympathize, but I have to admit that, it certainly could be seen as if tf00t is trying to edit the video of Watson to say things she really didn't say. Bit unnecessary tbh, as there is so much to take from when it comes to Watson.

As for the PZ part, it's funny how he suddenly understand how "language" works, like how the talk about "fuck toys" is obviously hyperbole! Suddenly there's no need to take what people say literally word for word, instead he's reading the implications and underlying meanings!

Of course, if you read the underlying meaning to PZ's verbal diarrhea about people think women are fuck toys and whatnot, the point still remains: PZ is a lying dishonest scumbag, because the under the hyperbole, there's just the old stinking lie about people not agreeing with him being misogynistic, sexists, and in general horribly evil persons that do not want women in the "movement" or who does not respect women.
Something Nuget completely fails to even acknowledge, even though PZ sentiments are perfectly clear if you bother reading him for just a few days.

Then he comes to the harassment policy thing, and I yet again has to concede that it looks as if Nuget has a point, it's seems as if tf00t has misunderstood or misrepresent the policy in question. Though at the end again some dishonesty creeps in when Nuget misrepresents/strawmans tf00t being against policies completely, while it's seems quite clear that what tfoot only oppose is the completely over the top draconian policies that make normal human interaction impossible because they are to broad or to protective.

Then the "redefining atheism" defense, he completely fails to understand tf00t's main point - that the toxic feminism that PZ etc are advocating is poisoning the atheism movement/community. The whole point is that these muppets are trying to redefine the atheism movement into a feminist movement, where their ideology is built into the definition of atheism.
The fact that PZ stopped using the slide is hardly a defense either (do he even talk about A+ anymore?), PZ have a previous history of ranting about "dictionary atheists", and it's pretty darn clear that his goal is to create a "atheist movement" where only those with a ideology very similar to his own are welcome.

He then defends Melody Hensley's false flagging campaign by guilt by association, WB associate with MRAs, ergo she's evil and is a bully. The idea that seriously stupid shit will be harshly criticized, and that this isn't bullying, also completely passes him by.

Then there's all the points tf00t makes that he fails to address...

All in all, he's not completely clueless, but not to far from either. At least wasn't as bad as Dillahunty's, whose rebuttal was just cringeworthy. Justicar certainly rips that one to shreds.
I'm guessing that this is the best we will see, and that the baboons now all will make a few posts linking to Nugent, proudly proclaiming that the evil tf00t's video now has been rebuked, so that all the baboon apprentices can rest assured that all is right in the world again. The evil tf00t has yet again been defeated, they are again safe in their baboon cages.

[sacha]

I can't guarantee that no one will try to dogpile you or call you names (please remember that "fuck you" is a term of endearment to some), but if we haven't banned oolon then we won't ban you, so you can always just call them names back (:

For the record, I have really only heard the FTB et al. opinions on rape culture. Well, that and a bit of what MRA's have to, but many of them are batshit crazy as well.

I have only been reading progressive blogs for a year. *Every* idea, literally everything, is new to me. So view me as an outsider, your -average- person, who is just trying to understand all this shit, and make sense of it ;)

and from the previous quote:

...having upskirt pics taken = example of rape culture

For fuck's sake! Please can someone direct this person to resources, so that my head does not fucking explode again. I really can't take the same arguments, same questions, same benefit of the doubt, same assumptions, same evidence-free beliefs, same fucking thing for the millionth time.

One should have to pass a test on the history of the Baboons before they can post on the Undead Thread. There should be an Introduction to Baboons thread and a third thread for those who have more than basic knowledge. Those from the pit who have the patience to explain it all yet again to someone new, can go there and help them. This is the advanced thread. Some sort of prerequisite knowledge should be mandatory before commenting.

I'm sacha, a lifelong Gender Traitor and the Managing Director of Gender Traitors International. I have been following the Baboon saga since 2009. I am one of the three original Gender Traitors of the Slime Pit, and the other two are far nicer people.
I am a massive cunt with no patience at all for a play-by-play repeat of three years of idiocy for the millionth time. I'm not interested in being a teacher, a guidance councillor, a mother, or a role model, nor do I want to sit in a class for beginners a few times a month. I don't give a fuck that "*Every* idea, literally everything, is new" to you.

Just about everyone at the pit has more patience than I for this, so find a few who are willing to hold your hand, provide a positive learning experience, and help with your homework. Just fucking do it somewhere else on this website.

Don't take this personally, you are just one of many who assume it is our life's pleasure to either explain everything, or to wait until someone else has, so we can continue with the conversations, debates, arguments, sarcasm, satire, and piss takes that only the well established and experienced pitters understand.

Those who are more than happy to help the inexperienced can go to the beginners thread and be a volunteer mentor, and come here when you want to interact with the veteran establishment.

I have been dealing with the FfTBs/Skepchick/A+ psychopathy for three years without a break, and SJWs, PC Police, Fembots, and all the rest of the misandrists, and other loons for decades. I've paid my fucking dues. This is where I come to socialise with others that have also paid their dues.

One does not have to be a veteran Slime Pitter, the other day Edge Penguin joined us. He has been on the front lines for quite a while, he has the entire back story, and intricate knowledge of the cast, plus he has been directly involved.
He may not know our individual personalities, or catch all of the sarcasm, and pit references, but he has an honors degree in Baboon, and I have patience while he settles in. Quite a few of the core pit members joined us long after the original thread began, and if they were not familiar with a person or topic, they went and did the research on their own, they did not expect anyone to do it for them.

The more benevolent Pitters can give you links to places like Pharwrongula, and grey lining which have documented the insanity in detail, which you should read, and I'm sure they can give you a few short videos to watch that will give explanations and answers to the questions you have as a person who is unfamiliar with the history.
Plus, as a bonus, that material will show where you have made incorrect assumptions, like your interpretation of "ElevatorGate" based upon what you heard from Baboons, and your evidence-free belief about "Monopod Man".
(Steersman's explanation of "Guys, don't do that" and how it was not reasonable, was spot on and concise (for a change), but after reading what you posted about understanding, you still have not quite understood.)

There are plenty of resources full of evidence, which lead to clarity for beginners to authority. If you begin on the 41,000th reply here (which is the continuation of the original Slime Pit), with almost no background knowledge, you should expect to be confused.
if you start with one of welch's recent blog posts, or one of Mykeru's videos, you may wonder how they reached the conclusions that they did, but instead of immediately asking, do some bloody research.

You (and that is a collective "you", not a specific one.) can take some responsibility for your lack of knowledge, and prove that you are capable and willing to do some research on your own, or you can expect everyone to wait until someone answers your questions, because you can't be bothered to exert the effort of looking something up yourself.

You can also do a search with keywords here. (hint, look and see how many times a new person has made a comment about how MRAs are just as "batshit crazy" as the radfems, and read what was written, you will get both sides of the debate, and you may even realise how it is nearly always the commenters on places like AVfM that have the lunatic fringe view, but it is the speakers and organisers, in the Feminist camp. YMMV)

oh, and don't let sacha wind you up, she's an insufferable cunt.

[mutleyeng]

Yuk, Henesley is stalking WB.

I hate twitter, I can never work out full context of a conversation. I take it she is just saying she flagged WBs video, not that she flagged Thunderf00ts?

She flagged TF too the cunt. I notice her Twitter profile has been amended -

thanks
wow, thats pretty terrible - what a confession to make, as if its perfectly ok.

I guess its too much to hope that Thunderf00t is still blocked from dillahunty's youtube - that would be the icing on cake if he was

[Mykeru]

Plonk at http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 772#p43765

Jeebles flaming Krist, that is fucking brilliant.

mutleyeng said:

Yuk, Henesley is stalking WB [sic].

OK.

That's nice.

So, who or what the fuck is "WB"?

And how is WB being stalked?

How about providing a fucking link.

:roll:

Jesus Krist. How many time does it need to be repeated, over and over and over and over again:

Provide. a. Fucking. Link.

Fuck me backwards. I mean, really, how difficult is it?

There was a a link under "spoilers" in a previous post to a screen-cap of the relevant conversation, from which you could figure out "WB" refers to Woolly Bumblebee. Even with that, people who have been paying attention know who WB refers to.

Recently, we have been concentrating on not needlessly repeating graphics and quotes from previous posts. The poster was following good form.

Keeping up with a conversation, commonly accepted usage including abbreviations and initials and forum features is YOUR responsibility

Now, gimme a kiss, asshole.

[Mykeru]

Melody Hensley
@MelodyHensley

CFI–DC ED, Women in Secularism Organizer, atheist, secular humanist, skeptic. Tweets not endorsed by CFI. Follow online misogynists and harassers get blocked.

Washington, DC, USA · https://www.facebook.com/melody.hensley

No "Executive Director at CFI" in big letters any more + a disclaimer. Nor on 'tardbook. Curious.

I think that "ED" is inaccurate. I seriously doubt Melody Hensley has ED herself, no matter how much ED she is responsible for.

[Git]

oh, and don't let sacha wind you up, she's an insufferable cunt.

[spoiler]A rare picture of Sacha in the wild:

http://i.imgur.com/Cxagv.jpg[/spoiler]