Periodic Table of Swearing

[real horrorshow]

So for my New Years resolution I promised myself I need to read books more often. I have a small problem though. After a few pages I tend to read myself into a trace and start skimming. Does anyone else have this problem and how did you overcome it?

More interesting books.

[Steersman]

I reject that "cis" bullshit anyways. It's just some nonsense made up term the SJW's invented, appropriated from chemistry, apparently.

As a history reader, I always think of it in terms of Roman provinces. Cisalpine Gaul was south of the Alps and nearer to Rome. Transalpine Gaul was beyond the Alps to the north. You see. Makes perfect sense!

Just wanted to add, after 3.5 credits (7 1 semester courses) in Latin I have never seen cis outside of Cisalpine.

The terms have had some currency in the context of the history of Palestine:

"West Bank" or "Cisjordan" became the name for the area west of the Jordan River, as "East Bank" or "Transjordan" designated the area east of the river.

[Eucliwood]

Another fellow spoke of renouncing his US citizenship around last year or so. No, he wasn't moving to another country or anything, but still. Besides, moving to another country simply has you pay tax- unless its a country that doesn't ave taxes. Then it'll be just like renouncing citizenship while living in America.

Doesn't work. The U.S. Govt doesn't recognize attempts to renounce citizenship. You can't opt-out of taxes, either. Not without getting fucked by the IRS when they find out about it.

Oh, so it's like that, huh? Sort of like how some of them don''t recognize your first attempt to pay taxes and try to bill you again, and ignore your letters saying you did, hoping you dont have proof. Then why the hell don't they just be honest and quit acting like there's any way to pull out of the country as a citizen.

[welch]

Another fellow spoke of renouncing his US citizenship around last year or so. No, he wasn't moving to another country or anything, but still. Besides, moving to another country simply has you pay tax- unless its a country that doesn't ave taxes. Then it'll be just like renouncing citizenship while living in America.

Doesn't work. The U.S. Govt doesn't recognize attempts to renounce citizenship. You can't opt-out of taxes, either. Not without getting fucked by the IRS when they find out about it.

Partially incorrect. If you're naturalized, it's rather easy. You pay exit taxes, but it ain't hard. If you want to become a citizen of another country, I believe it's required.

[Steersman]

...

welch, i still like you. I don't like Eucliwood, cause she's a bitch that begs for "edit" buttons.

You know she's like Beetlejuice, except you only have to say it once, right?

In this case, some of you say it 10 times, twisting, distorting, exaggerating, and dramatizing like little A+ shits the whole way.

You might also want to get your irony/sarcasm meters recalibrated - unless you actually enjoy flying off the handle over inconsequential details. The comments by more than a few here look more like needles - some more friendly than others ...

[Eucliwood]

...

welch, i still like you. I don't like Eucliwood, cause she's a bitch that begs for "edit" buttons.

You know she's like Beetlejuice, except you only have to say it once, right?

In this case, some of you say it 10 times, twisting, distorting, exaggerating, and dramatizing like little A+ shits the whole way.

You might also want to get your irony/sarcasm meters recalibrated - unless you actually enjoy flying off the handle over inconsequential details. The comments by more than a few here look more like needles - some more friendly than others ...

Well, to be honest, I don't know what Absurd meant. If he was not supporting codelette's post, then never mind... as for the rest of your post, say what?

[another lurker]

I like Eucliwood.

She scared me a bit at first, but I think that's because she's just really really *passionate* about what she believes.

I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, unless of course they are malicious controlling assholes (yeah A+, talkin about you).

[Reap]

Adam Lee backpedals frantically after Ghost of BoxTurtle gives him a very specific answer he clearly wasn't expecting:

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1328/backpedal.png

Source: https://twitter.com/DayLightAtheism/sta ... 3760147456 (I put the capital L there to make sure it's not the parody account)

Adam Lee is a moronic twit I'd like to watch him backpedal off a cliff.

[Eucliwood]

I like Eucliwood.

She scared me a bit at first, but I think that's because she's just really really *passionate* about what she believes.

I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, unless of course they are malicious controlling assholes (yeah A+, talkin about you).

MMMMmmm, really, another lurker? Maybe you, steersman, and I can have a steamy threesome. I like the way I can't understand what steersman is saying sometimes, and his worduse is sexy.

[cunt]

I think "cis-continental railroad" and remind myself that no normal person has ever heard the prefix spoken aloud irl.

[justinvacula]

http://i.imgur.com/QBA9E.jpg

I'm skeptical for several reasons.

First -- outside of very extreme circumstances (like someone pointing a loaded gun at a person, making a very obvious threat, etc) -- it doesn't appear to be the case that people make 'make' others feel unsafe. An event happens -- a stimulus -- and a person then reacts to it. Some people indeed react in different ways to different stimuli, so it appears to be the case that people don't 'make' others feel particular ways outside of extreme circumstances. For instance, two people can be riding alongside a driver of a vehicle who is texting. One person, reacting to seeing this, might feel unsafe while another person is unfazed. I don't know the content of what this theist did leading to Jen's feeling unsafe, but that's besides the point here (unless it was a very extreme circumstance).

Second, there's a 'proven track record' of persons like Jen who identify as feminists who complain about receiving threats and being harassed online [for identifying as a feminist or being a woman - as they claim] not actually producing the content of these alleged threats and alleged instances of harassment...and when they do, as far as I have seen, they aren't legally actionable in almost every circumstance.

Months ago, when I was witch of the weeked by Opheiai on one occasion during the Surly Amy 'male leaders ought to speak up about the harassment women face online' campaign, I asked for evidence of these threats and nothing was produced outside of commenters saying I just don't listen to the women and 'google it.'

Third, it seems difficult to demonstrate a link between harassment and harassment because of Jen's "feminist writing" [on a daily basis]. This seems quite unfalsifiable - how can one show they are not harassing (as Jen claims) because of this feminist writing...at any time, Jen can say "Oh, look, this person is saying this because of my writing about x!"

Besides, many competing better hypotheses exist:
People don't like Jen because...
they disagree with her writing no matter what the topic is
they believe she's a hypocrite
they believe she unfairly attacked humanists
she started (or fueled) a false and dangerous meme that the atheist/skeptic community is hostile to women
she has started (and/or fueled) character attacks against particular people
they thought Boobquake was a horrible idea
etc, etc

Maybe people just don't like Jen. No matter what one can do or how one presents him/herself, not everyone will be liked [and often for silly reasons]. This is a 'life skills 101' concept, I would think. You can't please everyone...and shouldn't catastrophize when people don't like you or say nasty things. It's going to happen...and that doesn't mean nastiness or disliking people is OK just because of this, but it just happens (it's a descriptive fact).

Most prominently, I believe, I am known as an atheist. Many people -- I am sure -- don't like me whether they be classmates, people who work at businesses I frequent, etc. and these people might dislike me for several reasons...and it might not be because I am an atheist. People might know I am an atheist and dislike me for a different reason. People might dislike me because I am an activist. People might dislike me because of my appearance. People might dislike me because I can be quite intense. I don't know. I can't get inside their heads. I could guess on some occasions, but to go around saying, for instance, that people who dislike me (or even happen to harass me online...although I can't honestly claim too many cases of this) dislike me because of my 'atheist writings' seems most absurd.

Skepticism.

[Anon]

I reject that "cis" bullshit anyways. It's just some nonsense made up term the SJW's invented, appropriated from chemistry, apparently.

As a history reader, I always think of it in terms of Roman provinces. Cisalpine Gaul was south of the Alps and nearer to Rome. Transalpine Gaul was beyond the Alps to the north. You see. Makes perfect sense!

Just wanted to add, after 3.5 credits (7 1 semester courses) in Latin I have never seen cis outside of Cisalpine.

The terms have had some currency in the context of the history of Palestine:

"West Bank" or "Cisjordan" became the name for the area west of the Jordan River, as "East Bank" or "Transjordan" designated the area east of the river.

Cool, but I dare you to find me a non-geographical use. Actually... I just checked http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/sea ... documents=
I only checked the first page and I came to the conclusion that cis is a preposition and only seems to be used in geographical terms. For example "cis flumen" would mean "this side of the river" (from the speakers perspective). Cisgender, would first be two words (as far as I know neither English or Latin allow for compunds with prepositions). Also, what the hell would it mean to be cis gendered, it would be relative. Say "cis gendered person" would have a different meaning depending on the speaker.

Unless...

You're a sexist homophone who thinks that "straight" is the right "team".

Also, would people please stop making up greek and latin words to sound smart. You don't. You don't know these languages and your butchered attempts are laughable. just stop it. No one who actually studies this shit comes up with jargon for the sake of jargon.

[Reap]

Libertarianism is more like Satanism.

Can't tell if sarcastic, but you have no idea how spot on you are. At least in terms of pre-Reagan libertarianism and LaVey style Satanism.

No sarcasm on my part. And yes, was actually thinking about LaVey's Satanism "You are your own god" and "don't fuck with other people unless they fuck with you" philosophy.

I interviewed Peter Gilmore once for a podcast , he was a really cool guy. He applied the logic of Satanism very politely, but what would you expect .....

[Maximus]

I like Eucliwood.

She scared me a bit at first, but I think that's because she's just really really *passionate* about what she believes.

I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, unless of course they are malicious controlling assholes (yeah A+, talkin about you).

Eucliwoods fine, she was just a didn't handle being new quite as gracefully as you. She was unaware of the reason for and history of the slymepit. She stepped on a couple toes, but got informed, and changed the way she posted. Because the thread moves so fast people kept commenting on the issue long after it was adressed, so she kept posting responses to those responses etc some people got anoyed. I think she adds color and occasionally a good laugh!

[Maximus]

...and occasionally she's creepy :lol:

[Steersman]

I like Eucliwood.

She scared me a bit at first, but I think that's because she's just really really *passionate* about what she believes.

I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, unless of course they are malicious controlling assholes (yeah A+, talkin about you).

MMMMmmm, really, another lurker? Maybe you, steersman, and I can have a steamy threesome. I like the way I can't understand what steersman is saying sometimes, and his worduse is sexy.

Why thank you, ma’am - balances out MKG's (another poster's) less flattering description. Someone famous – but not that famous, I guess – said that they could dine for a week on a good compliment.

The Beetlejuice comment was a reference to a famous Tim Burton movie – someone posted an image of the main character not too long ago – Beetlejuice – who, for a price, would, sort of, grant your wish – you just had to say his name three times to start the magic.

My previous comment – about the sarcasm/irony meters – was trying to suggest that it seems that you tend to misinterpret and overreact to the comments of many here – something I’ve been somewhat guilty of here myself so I can sympathize – as have a few others here, even those who claim to be omniscient with respect to the associated figures of speech …..

[another lurker]

I like Eucliwood.

She scared me a bit at first, but I think that's because she's just really really *passionate* about what she believes.

I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, unless of course they are malicious controlling assholes (yeah A+, talkin about you).

Eucliwoods fine, she was just a didn't handle being new quite as gracefully as you. She was unaware of the reason for and history of the slymepit. She stepped on a couple toes, but got informed, and changed the way she posted. Because the thread moves so fast people kept commenting on the issue long after it was adressed, so she kept posting responses to those responses etc some people got anoyed. I think she adds color and occasionally a good laugh!

Why, thank you! I had a couple of missteps - but I learned about spoiler tags and I sorted out things with Jack. I have a problem with clarity sometimes, and often find myself smack dab in the middle of a misunderstanding. /sigh.

[Darren]

I reject that "cis" bullshit anyways. It's just some nonsense made up term the SJW's invented, appropriated from chemistry, apparently.

As a history reader, I always think of it in terms of Roman provinces. Cisalpine Gaul was south of the Alps and nearer to Rome. Transalpine Gaul was beyond the Alps to the north. You see. Makes perfect sense!

Since we're playing this game, the first (and only) time I had heard the "cis" prefix prior to the SJW usage was "cislunar", the region of space around the Earth bounded by the Moon's orbit (more-or-less). SJW have destroyed that word for me.

[justinvacula]

Here's a new piece from Michael Nugent who posted in Surly Amy's 'male leaders should speak out against the harassment women face online' campaign:

http://www.michaelnugent.com/2013/01/03 ... t-helpful/

Thunderf00t’s new video of personal attacks on named atheist feminists is inflammatory, misleading and unhelpful to the international atheist and secular communities. As he is now making this a formal campaign, aimed at conference organizers and leaders in secular groups, I have decided to respond to it.

TF is asking us as conference organizers to ostracize named atheist feminists who he describes as toxic parasites who are dripping poison, as well as spanners and muppets, and he is asking his viewers to forward the video to leaders of secular groups to help to make this happen.

I know that TF is criticizing behavior that he sincerely believes is harming the atheist and secular communities, but his personal attacks are disproportionate to his concerns, they are unfair to those who he is attacking, and they are not helping to resolve the issues that they address.

[Steersman]

[spoiler]

I reject that "cis" bullshit anyways. It's just some nonsense made up term the SJW's invented, appropriated from chemistry, apparently.

As a history reader, I always think of it in terms of Roman provinces. Cisalpine Gaul was south of the Alps and nearer to Rome. Transalpine Gaul was beyond the Alps to the north. You see. Makes perfect sense!

Just wanted to add, after 3.5 credits (7 1 semester courses) in Latin I have never seen cis outside of Cisalpine.

[/spoiler]
The terms have had some currency in the context of the history of Palestine:

"West Bank" or "Cisjordan" became the name for the area west of the Jordan River, as "East Bank" or "Transjordan" designated the area east of the river.

Cool, but I dare you to find me a non-geographical use. Actually... I just checked http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/sea ... documents=
I only checked the first page and I came to the conclusion that cis is a preposition and only seems to be used in geographical terms. ....

Also, what the hell would it mean to be cis gendered, it would be relative. Say "cis gendered person" would have a different meaning depending on the speaker.

Unless... You're a sexist homophone who thinks that "straight" is the right "team".

That seems the most reasonable explanation – a perspective from the “normal” or largest segment of a population distribution.

Although:

Cis-isomers
Cis-Lunar
Cis-Lunar Transportation System
cis-platinum
Cis-regulatory element

Not all of which are geographical.

[JackRayner]

Here's a new piece from Michael Nugent who posted in Surly Amy's 'male leaders should speak out against the harassment women face online' campaign:

http://www.michaelnugent.com/2013/01/03 ... t-helpful/

Thunderf00t’s new video of personal attacks on named atheist feminists is inflammatory, misleading and unhelpful to the international atheist and secular communities. As he is now making this a formal campaign, aimed at conference organizers and leaders in secular groups, I have decided to respond to it.

TF is asking us as conference organizers to ostracize named atheist feminists who he describes as toxic parasites who are dripping poison, as well as spanners and muppets, and he is asking his viewers to forward the video to leaders of secular groups to help to make this happen.

I know that TF is criticizing behavior that he sincerely believes is harming the atheist and secular communities, but his personal attacks are disproportionate to his concerns, they are unfair to those who he is attacking, and they are not helping to resolve the issues that they address.

Am I the only one that feels like these folk use "attack" too loosely? :think: I got as far as the part where he's talking about Thunderf00t's "attack" on Sulky Amy and I just gave up... Might return to it later. Maybe.

[Gefan]

We'll see. S/h/it's still the most annoying cunt this side of colon.

Awww, c'mon! Don't you know how fun it is to scroll all through all these posts and hear them in your head in the same monotone and then all of a sudden the voice of Vicky Pollard takes over for a few paragraphs?

[JackRayner]

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/sea ... documents=
I only checked the first page and I came to the conclusion that cis is a preposition and only seems to be used in geographical terms. For example "cis flumen" would mean "this side of the river" (from the speakers perspective). Cisgender, would first be two words (as far as I know neither English or Latin allow for compunds with prepositions). Also, what the hell would it mean to be cis gendered, it would be relative. Say "cis gendered person" would have a different meaning depending on the speaker.

Unless...

You're a sexist homophone who thinks that "straight" is the right "team".

Also, would people please stop making up greek and latin words to sound smart. You don't. You don't know these languages and your butchered attempts are laughable. just stop it. No one who actually studies this shit comes up with jargon for the sake of jargon.

The "cis"/trans thing isn't about sexual orientation [straight/bi/gay], it's about "gender" [male/female].

Just sayin'. :whistle:

[rayshul]

Good for you.
I don't give a shit about you and your bleeding heart.

I believe in taxation because I am possibly the opposite of a bleeding heart.

Taxes ensure that:

I have safe roads to walk on
If shit happens to me there is a system that fixes it whether it's medical or criminal
That the streets are filled with people begging for shit
I don't run the risk of catching some fucked up disease because some fucks can't afford to get vaccinated
I get libraries and shit when I don't want to buy books
My kid gets health care and education and protection even if I fuck off or die
There's regulations and customs shit in place so people don't bring in stuff that'll kill the whole fucking country's fauna or flora
We got food safety shit in place
People who got guns got licenses for them and training and shit
Businesses operate to legal standards and won't fuck me over without threat of legal action
WE GOTS AN ARMY IF SHIT GETS REAL
Every time there's a fucking massive disaster there are processes and shit in place to fix it
The police and firemen and whatnot are always available to help
FREE WATER YEAAAAAHHHHHH
My currency means something when I go somewhere else

Among other things.

I don't want to live in a place where I even have to think about that shit at all, otherwise I'd be one paranoid motherfucker. Taxes are because I enjoy living a comfortable life in a comfortable city in a comfortable country. I pay the highest tax rate here (33%) and I think that's fair enough. Because fuck, no taxes would mean I might have to think about where the shit I get is coming from. I'm a goddam princess, I don't want that shit.

[Anon]

Although:

Cis-isomers
Cis-Lunar
Cis-Lunar Transportation System
cis-platinum
Cis-regulatory element

Not all of which are geographical.[/quote]
Well cis lunar is kind of georaphical. I guess the proper term I sould have used is spatial but that doesnt matter. Also, I'm talking about the word's actual meaning. Those words are poorly made up jargon and knowing what the word "cis" gives me no ideas as to what some of those words mean. What I'm getting at is that the use of the word cis by these people is nothing but a failed attempt to boost their own pathetic egos and pretend they have super smart sciency sounding ideas.

[justinvacula]

From Nugent:

So let’s examine TF’s personal attack on Amy.

Amy is a decent, kind person who devotes much of her time and creativity to doing good things. She runs fundraisers and contributes money from her ceramics to provide grants for women going to secular conferences who otherwise could not afford to go. At the conference in question, some people tried to make Amy personally feel unwelcome in various ways, including but not limited to designing imitations of her ceramics mocking her. Also, somebody wore a t-shirt mocking Skepchick generally but not specifically Amy. The combination of all of this caused Amy to feel upset, because she is a person with the same emotional vulnerabilities as most people, and she and her mother left the conference early.

It's the Lousy Canuck gambit all over again/appeal to pity! Look at Amy, she does nice things! How could anyone possibly be so mean to her? It's interesting Nugent leaves out why, as it seems, people were upset with the Skepchick network and Amy in particular. Prior to TAM, of course, there was a great misinformation campaign brewing concerning TAM and the atheist community being a hostile place toward women. Rebecca Watson, arguably one of the most popular Skepchicks with a large audience, spoke about how she feels unsafe going to TAM (and dropped out). Aside from that, this was also when the attack campaign against Grothe was going on. There was also the "you should feel embarassed" comment Surly Amy made at Sharon Hill because of 'followcrime' on Twitter (which ended up on the so-called fake jewelry).

...and here's this idea of making people feel things and causing certain reactions. Did Nugent get a line from Jen (as linked above)? And oh no! Don't forget Harriet Hall's t-shirt! ...and, no, Surly Amy isn't a person with the same emotional vulnerabilities as most people -- at least in this case -- because most people, I would think, wouldn't talk about a 'climate of othering,' 'angry troll-like' behavior, and about how 'angry men have created war' against 'us.'

---

It is nice that Surly Amy does nice things for the community and appears to be quite generous in cases, but this shouldn't be a reason to exempt her from criticism nor should it give her the moral authority to argue conferences restrict speech (or fake jewelry). After all, various people who 'witched' me, including, and perhaps most prominently JT, said that they respect my activism but disagree with me in other areas. Why, then, should the standard be different for Amy or anyone else?

[Tristan]

"Cis" and "trans" are very common terms in chemistry. They refer to the same and opposite side of a double bond, respectively. They're useful terms because double bonds are not (very) free to rotate, and the two possibilities can lead to very different properties. For example, you hear all the time about how trans unsaturated fatty acids are bad for you; the natural, "good" ones are cis fatty acids.

[DownThunder]

Am I the only one that feels like these folk use "attack" too loosely? :think: I got as far as the part where he's talking about Thunderf00t's "attack" on Sulky Amy and I just gave up... Might return to it later. Maybe.

Pathetic isnt it? Thunderfoot makes a claim, shows supporting evidence. That constitutes an attack to Mr. Nugget.

I also like the choice in photos for each person. Notice any difference?

[another lurker]

You know what pisses me off?

Before all this shit went down, I recommended FTB to an acqaintance of mine. A guy who is interested in social justice and politics.

Now I am all embarassed b/c FTB = fucking high school.

I naively thought he might learn some things, follow some good links, but now all he's gonna see is one huge drama whore fest day after day.

[JackRayner]

By the way, don't transgender people reinforce and promote the so-called "gender binary" that SJW's get so pissed off about? Especially the trans folk that get sex reassignment surgery done? Or do they get an automatic pass because of all of the extra privilege their minority status earns them? :think:

[Steersman]

[spoiler]

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/sea ... documents=
I only checked the first page and I came to the conclusion that cis is a preposition and only seems to be used in geographical terms. For example "cis flumen" would mean "this side of the river" (from the speakers perspective). Cisgender, would first be two words (as far as I know neither English or Latin allow for compunds with prepositions). Also, what the hell would it mean to be cis gendered, it would be relative. Say "cis gendered person" would have a different meaning depending on the speaker.

Unless...

You're a sexist homophone who thinks that "straight" is the right "team".

Also, would people please stop making up greek and latin words to sound smart. You don't. You don't know these languages and your butchered attempts are laughable. just stop it. No one who actually studies this shit comes up with jargon for the sake of jargon.

[/spoiler]
The "cis"/trans thing isn't about sexual orientation [straight/bi/gay], it's about "gender" [male/female].

Just sayin'. :whistle:

Ahhack! The Pod People have gotten Jack! Head for the hills! Where is Mykeru when we really need him! …. ;-)

[acathode]

I know I heard the word "cis", "cis-moll" and "cis-dur" quite often when I was learning to play the violin, ages ago. Might be a Swedish thing though, in English you seem to use the word C-sharp instead?

[Gefan]

Here's a new piece from Michael Nugent who posted in Surly Amy's 'male leaders should speak out against the harassment women face online' campaign:

http://www.michaelnugent.com/2013/01/03 ... t-helpful/

Thunderf00t’s new video of personal attacks on named atheist feminists is inflammatory, misleading and unhelpful to the international atheist and secular communities. As he is now making this a formal campaign, aimed at conference organizers and leaders in secular groups, I have decided to respond to it.

TF is asking us as conference organizers to ostracize named atheist feminists who he describes as toxic parasites who are dripping poison, as well as spanners and muppets, and he is asking his viewers to forward the video to leaders of secular groups to help to make this happen.

I know that TF is criticizing behavior that he sincerely believes is harming the atheist and secular communities, but his personal attacks are disproportionate to his concerns, they are unfair to those who he is attacking, and they are not helping to resolve the issues that they address.

Mr Nugent seems to be confused as to what TFoot is apparently attempting here. Nugent's whole "this isn't helping" argument misses the point.
This isn't about "helping" in the sense of being concilliatory. It's about helping in the sense of carpet bombing our way back to sanity.
TFoot has been forced to face the reality of the problem and is responding appropriately.

[rayshul]

I would say that Jen can claim to be legitimately harrassed at this point. I don't see she's being harrassed more than any other ideologue with an unpleasant opinion - see people like Victoria Jackson, etc.

By the way, don't transgender people reinforce and promote the so-called "gender binary" that SJW's get so pissed off about? Especially the trans folk that get sex reassignment surgery done? Or do they get an automatic pass because of all of the extra privilege their minority status earns them? :think:

Yes they do. And I've seen numerous social media shit on tumblr about how transpeople are fucked up because they support the gender binary and are therefore not allies.

Social justice warriors are FUCKING INSANE and their insane shits on everyone.

[another lurker]

Yes they do. And I've seen numerous social media shit on tumblr about how transpeople are fucked up because they support the gender binary and are therefore not allies.

Social justice warriors are FUCKING INSANE and their insane shits on everyone.

Rayshul, is that why radfems hate trans people?

[rayshul]

Yes they do. And I've seen numerous social media shit on tumblr about how transpeople are fucked up because they support the gender binary and are therefore not allies.

Social justice warriors are FUCKING INSANE and their insane shits on everyone.

Rayshul, is that why radfems hate trans people?

Yeah, radfems are also fucking insane and their insane shits on everyone. Hah.

AFAIK radfems just hate those chicks because they've got some psycho idea about what being a woman is. Am sure Scented Nectar could fill in those gaps though as the ex-lesbian separatist.

[astrokid.nj]

A case can be made that a country that HAS to have separate trains, etc for women so that they are safer, does indeed have a rape or sexual harassment culture, one that the government is trying to combat. Obviously, a country where all people felt safe would not need separate trains.

you mean one separate section (or bogeys, as they are called in India) within the train. Typically single women take that. Women travelling with families dont. All that is for protection.. not just from sexual harassment.. but from other crime such as robbery of stuff on person.. such as jewelry.
You can start with the assumption that there's rape culture.. and look for anything that confirms your bias, and brush aside anything that contradicts it (the role men offer as protectors often at great cost to themselves, the laws enshrined in the state, etc). OR you can collect all data and go with Occam's razor.

Also, you gave many reasons why India is not all it could be yet. That doesn't counter if India has a rape culture or not, just gives a partial explanation as to why it might have one.

I listed those issues to demonstrate how shallow the average western commenter's knowledge is, in being able to understand the whole picture. single-factor explanations occur only in junior school physics textbooks. Also, I dont go around diagnosing problems or offering solutions to issues in Mongolia or Canada for a reason. People are prisoners of their experiences (and knowledge). When something is out of your league, better to keep your trap shut.
Let me ask you something basic. Is there a rape-culture in the West (US say)? coz.. if you see it here, then you will most certainly see it everywhere in the world.
As Hoff-Sommers says, feminists are looking for ammunition and are not finding much in the West and so now must go and teach those poor sobs in the third world that they have rape culture? Have solutions.. need to find problems to apply them to. Do you realize that this only makes the intellectuals in those places hate the West more? After centuries of imperialism that pretty much fucked their resources.. do you hear those third world countries moan and groan anywhere near what feminists do?

[Darren]

Justicar has a good "live" response to Matt's video on YouTube.

If you don't have time to sit through the whole 30 minutes, make sure you at least watch the 30 seconds from this point for the money shot.

[rayshul]

I kinda think someone needs to kill the term "rape culture" with fire. It's the most fucking useless yet divisive term since some cunt made up privilege.

[another lurker]

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remythiq 1 hour ago

Any hope this integralmath dolt had of even being viewed as intelligent, was lost the moment he got involved in a squabble between these two halfwits.

integralmath 1 hour ago

Don't be coy; if you want to fuck, just whip it out.

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hahahaahah
integralmath is funny!

[Lapsang Souchong]

Yeah, radfems are also fucking insane and their insane shits on everyone. Hah.

AFAIK radfems just hate those chicks because they've got some psycho idea about what being a woman is. Am sure Scented Nectar could fill in those gaps though as the ex-lesbian separatist.

I was surprised to learn just how hostile various feminists are towards m to f transgenders. Some of them seem to think it's just some elaborate male ploy to get in their pants. See "the cotton ceiling".

[justinvacula]

You know, at this point the FTB/Skephick crowd might as well just start saying "respect my beliefs" -- like theists often do from my experience in response to critical engagement -- and be done with it.

[JackRayner]

[spoiler]

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/sea ... documents=
I only checked the first page and I came to the conclusion that cis is a preposition and only seems to be used in geographical terms. For example "cis flumen" would mean "this side of the river" (from the speakers perspective). Cisgender, would first be two words (as far as I know neither English or Latin allow for compunds with prepositions). Also, what the hell would it mean to be cis gendered, it would be relative. Say "cis gendered person" would have a different meaning depending on the speaker.

Unless...

You're a sexist homophone who thinks that "straight" is the right "team".

Also, would people please stop making up greek and latin words to sound smart. You don't. You don't know these languages and your butchered attempts are laughable. just stop it. No one who actually studies this shit comes up with jargon for the sake of jargon.

[/spoiler]
The "cis"/trans thing isn't about sexual orientation [straight/bi/gay], it's about "gender" [male/female].

Just sayin'. :whistle:

Ahhack! The Pod People have gotten Jack! Head for the hills! Where is Mykeru when we really need him! …. ;-)

:lol:

I will assert that my rejection of "cis" as a descriptor for my typical maleness and my acceptance of the existence of transg folk are not in conflict. :p

By the way, don't transgender people reinforce and promote the so-called "gender binary" that SJW's get so pissed off about? Especially the trans folk that get sex reassignment surgery done? Or do they get an automatic pass because of all of the extra privilege their minority status earns them? :think:

Yes they do. And I've seen numerous social media shit on tumblr about how transpeople are fucked up because they support the gender binary and are therefore not allies.

Social justice warriors are FUCKING INSANE and their insane shits on everyone.

Sheesh! I've known that RadFems in particular could be pretty hostile towards trans women [The penis is a tool for rape and the Y-chromosome is a creation of The Devil, so if you have either you are a threat to all womyn-kind], but I didn't know the SJWs were just as bad about it.

I'm not the most PC person around, but if someone presented themselves as male/female, and stated that's how they wish to be addressed, I'd be fine with that. I'll probably never see them as fully male/female, but why should that ruin anyone's day? http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x17/ ... /shrug.gif I happen to think I'm a bit of a stud, and having an individual here and there disagree hasn't kept me down. :dance:

[DownThunder]

Feminists seem to make a big deal out of who goes in which toilet for some reason, particularly with mtf transgender individuals. Probably jealous about not being able to pee standing up.

[Richard Dworkins]

Rape culture does exist. It is created and sustained by people who obsess about rape and rapists and being raped and rape apologism, rape enablism and symbolic rape, cultural rape etc etc, that inflate rape to being worse than murder. I think it may well be a symptom of androphobia (as opposed to misandry which is a manifestation of such), but outside of those fevered lusty imaginings of those Androphobes, Rape is pretty much considered contemptable. I'd hazard a guess that it is why it is against the law.

We should get rid of the word rape. It is archaic with little use other than as a scary word. I cannot see how it necessary to differentiate it from other forms of sexual assault, unless you are using it for political advantage.

[justinvacula]

This is hilarious!

http://skepchick.org/2013/01/thats-not-bullying/

Can I just 'pull a Greta Christina' and say that there's so much wrong with this I don't have the time to comment?

[justinvacula]

http://i.imgur.com/S9dyq.jpg

[Darren]

This is hilarious!

http://skepchick.org/2013/01/thats-not-bullying/

Can I just 'pull a Greta Christina' and say that there's so much wrong with this I don't have the time to comment?

No, but you may 'pull a Matt Dillahunty' and say that there's so much wrong with this and then dither on for the next 10 minutes without pointing out anything that was actually wrong.

[Metalogic42]

http://i.imgur.com/S9dyq.jpg

Yeah, apparently I was "harassing" people.

[Darren]

[spoiler]

http://i.imgur.com/S9dyq.jpg

[/spoiler]

Yeah, apparently I was "harassing" people.

Serves you right for going in there, swinging:

http://i.imgur.com/Oaj8C.png

[bhoytony]

Are you implying that Harry Potter is NOT a good book?

[youtube]ARa2eQ4Rqk0[/youtube]

[Jan Steen]

http://i.imgur.com/F6xlu.jpg

[JackRayner]

Am I the only one that feels like these folk use "attack" too loosely? :think: I got as far as the part where he's talking about Thunderf00t's "attack" on Sulky Amy and I just gave up... Might return to it later. Maybe.

Pathetic isnt it? Thunderfoot makes a claim, shows supporting evidence. That constitutes an attack to Mr. Nugget.

I also like the choice in photos for each person. Notice any difference?

Hahahaha! Well, to be fair, a lot of the headshots that came up when I googled "Thunderf00t" aren't all that friendly looking.

Feminists seem to make a big deal out of who goes in which toilet for some reason, particularly with mtf transgender individuals. Probably jealous about not being able to pee standing up.

Fun story: A female Lieutenant that was my martial arts instructor while in Iraq was rumored to pee while standing when out on the road on convoys. Probably not a winning strategy if getting piss to splash all over your boots isn't your goal, but who knows? Maybe she had one of these?

I remember that one of my Sergeants mistook her for a guy once. Her back was turned to him and he only realized it was a female when she turned around midway through him yelling that she needed a haircut. :lol: I blame it on our camouflage uniforms though. They can be pretty unflattering to the female form, to the point that our eyes would sometimes pop out when we saw females from our units wearing civilian attire. I rolled around in the sand with the Lieutenant during ground fighting training and I think she was feminine enough. :?

[Metalogic42]

Serves you right for going in there, swinging

Translation: "how dare you use your evil male brain to disagree with us!!!"

[masakari2012]

That Nuggent blog was terrible! But here's an excellent video to wash that bad taste out of your mouths...
[youtube]sQ33Zo0zZEI[/youtube]

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

If that's ever been done, I've never heard of it.

There's a few actually.

Harry Potter is a decent example.

others I have on my shelves:

Clive Cussler's "Dirk Pitt" books
"The Destroyer"
Diane Duane's "Young Wizards" series.

I'd reference R.A. Salvatore, but that fucker just writes the same three books over and over, so it really doesn't matter.

Ok, maybe i should have been more specific - if it's ever been done with good books, I've never heard of it.

Terry Pratchett's Discworld series. 40 books, all good as standalone, IMO.

[John Greg]

Fuck me, but it has become impossible to respond to anything here within a relevant time frame. I mean, yes, it's nice that so many folks are joining us, sharing their experiences, and chit-chatting, as it were, but shit, man, it makes it hard to be current and relevant.

Anyway, as for the literate and illiterate illuminati, such as Welch, Rystefn, et al, perhaps you literary wits and narrative pundits could grow up a wee bit, assume just a titch of humility, and actually get your supposed intellectual shit together and learn, at your late age (shame, shame), to distinguish between "s/h/i/ts a lousy writer" and "I do not like s/h/i/ts work".

It becomes really tiresome to read some pompous horseshit from such otherwise intelligent, wise, and erudite folks completely missing the distinction between what they like, and what is, or is not, good writing, or well written narrative.

A personal example I like to use is Margaret Atwood. She is an exceptionally good writer; there are very, very few writers alive today who can equal her skill as a writer in all the various ways that define good writing versus bad writing, but I dislike most of her books, because they are so dry, and so deeply overloaded with allusions that one almost needs to have a thesauras, a dictionary, a dictionary of poetry, and a Bartlebys (and if you do not, without googling it, know what a Bartlebys is, you have no position of authority to make claims as to who is or is not a "good" writer) to actually understand what is going on in her stories.

So, does that make her a bad writer? No, absolutely not. It just makes her an often difficult, and sometimes, in some people's opinion, boring writer. But if you, or anyone, think she is a "bad" writer, then you, and anyone else, is an illiterate fool.

Is Clive Cussler a good writer? No, absolutely not, but enjoy him to the hilt. Same as Stephanie Myers, or Danielle Steele, a pair of truly egregious, and totally shitty, dreadful linguistically and dictionally incompetent writers, but loved by many housewives, shut-in lonely hearts, and teenage vundergrrls.

Anyway, rant almost over, but c'mon folks, get your critical thinking caps on, and stop trying to Pharyngulate literature.

Is Frank Herbert a good writer? Without exception, yes. Do many people find him boring, redundant, and uninteresting? Absolutely. Nonetheless, by all the variegated things that define good writing versus bad writing, he is an exceptionally good writer, who bores many people and thrills many others.

Is Stephen King a good writer? If I had the time and space to compose an essay arguing the point, I would say yes. But I do not, and so I will simply state that, in my opinion, as a professional and published writer of some decades standing, I think Stephen King is a brilliant writer, who often abuses his readers with needless "Kingesque" colloquial writing, goofy personal literary cliches, and other tools of the trade owned by only the most successful writers.

Was John Steinbeck a good writer? Only a fool would say no. Nonetheess, millions of Americans stated that he was a terrrible writer because they did not like what he wrote.

Are Stephanie Myers, Danielle Steele, Dan Brown, Clive Cussler, Preston and Child, etc., good writers? Absolutely not. Without exception, absolutely not. But they tell fun and entertaining stories. And many folk love their work.

Many folk are stupid, but that's beside the point.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Fuck. That. And unregistered to boot, to get around the "ignore" filter. Fucking spastic attention-seeking cunt.

Gumby, are you talking about my cat?

If so, I would prefer if you used the term spastic retard

[spoiler]http://www.abyssinianscanada.com/wp-con ... 8/nina.jpg[/spoiler]



P.S: I was inspired by your avatar, its super cute! And my kitty is an Abyssinain, she is super spastic retard:P

A cutie indeed!

The kitty in my avatar was That One Special Pet. Named Gumby, of course. Unfortunately I had to put her to sleep last year (lymphoma).

Here's my new-ish cat Stimpy, and she is truly a super spastic retard.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... b9db9e.jpg
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd24 ... f28d3e.jpg

Probably because she has a dick painted on her face. She's a beauty, though, looks a lot like mine (cat, not dick).

ps: I won't edit out cat pics, whatever anyone thinks. I love cat pics.

[John Greg]

And, totally off the point and topic, man, oh man, I love me those Abysinian kettehs!

[HoneyWagon]

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3444

Well, A+ kind of addressed Tfoot, haha.

The OP asked for thoughts about the video. So far, none of the responses are about the content of the video.
They are about how the OP should have added a trigger warning and just disparagement of TF in general.

At some point, someone ever there should actually watch the video and state what parts they disagree with and why. Should I hold my breath?