Then there are the Chronicles of Narnia, where the volumes were at first (1950's) not numbered, then were numbered by order of publication, then in the 1990's were renumbered by the chronology in the story. The one that's now first (The Magician's Nephew) is (IMO) less interesting than some of the others, but YMMV.
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:56 pm
by AbsurdWalls
Skep tickle wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:Yeah, I admit it, I have some love for Justicar - he responds to Dillahunty's vid on TFoot (putting it in "spoiler" if you have no love for Justicar):
[spoiler][youtube]vEerPl5GWfs[/youtube][/spoiler]
Yeah, I like Justicar's videos. I wasn't here for whatever blowup happened but he's been a reliable source of pointing out the hypocrisy.
(Anyone else think he added a little something to Matt's name at the very end?)
I watched Justicar's before watching Matt's. "Utterly dishonest" - seriously? Onus is on you to actually support that pretty serious accusation, Matt - your recent video doesn't come close.
I quite like Justicar too, without always agreeing with him of course. It is weird how what would be minor differences elsewhere in life become major barriers in internet atheism (may also apply to other internet phenomena).
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:56 pm
by another lurker
So, Reap Paden = The Angry Atheist?
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:01 pm
by Rystefn
Eucliwood wrote:So tired of some jumping on me for every little thing.
Rystefn wrote:
Ok, maybe i should have been more specific - if it's ever been done with good books, I've never heard of it.
Are you implying that Harry Potter is NOT a good book?
No. I am outright stating it. I also hate Star Trek, World of Warcraft, anime in general, and both 3e and 4e, so the nerd rage crowd has plenty of ammo.
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:02 pm
by Rystefn
welch wrote:
Rystefn wrote:
welch wrote:
Rystefn wrote:
If that's ever been done, I've never heard of it.
I'd reference R.A. Salvatore, but that fucker just writes the same three books over and over, so it really doesn't matter.
Ok, maybe i should have been more specific - if it's ever been done with good books, I've never heard of it.
Shrug. Good's up to the reader. I like Cussler and The Destroyer, because it's mindless fun. Formulaic, but fun. Nice quick reads, and entertaining. Diane's a good writer who as much as possible in a series about wizards, respects her science. She's written some of the best Star Trek stuff out there, and if you watched a cartoon in the 90s, she probably wrote one of the scripts.
Some people love Dune. I can't see how. But they like so good for them.
True enough. Tastes vary dramatically. Far be it from me to judge people for liking what they like. It's the assholes that spend money on things, spend years bitching about it, then spend more money on it again that piss me off (Star Wars fans who watched the Ep 1 3D rerelease, I'm looking at you).
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:05 pm
by codelette
welch wrote:
That works until you have to pay what shit actually costs because everyone else says "Fuck you and YOUR roads." Then you discover just how expensive shit really is when you have to foot the full bill for your share, and realize "huh. Maybe that taxes shit ain't so bad after all."
That, and a full "pure" libertarian state means you don't have fuck all for infrastructure. Why should I give a fuck about your needs when you aren't me? Oh, public health is expensive and you're sick? Sucks to be you.
I'll take my community where we all give what isn't really that fucking much, and be happy. I got decent roads, clean water, occasionally decent healthcare, my auto insurance don't cost a fucking tenth of what it would if I had to pay for all of it myself, and if you stop listening to the screaming ninnies on the news, you realize we don't fuck shit up nearly as often as it seems. No one shook me down for private tolls, and if my house is on fire, my taxes ensure the fucking fire department will show up. Someone breaks into my house, I can call the cops. Yeah, some cops are dicks so what? Some atheists are dicks, but I like y'all well enough to know not to let an edge case jackoff represent the entire population.
I would just like people to stop being so fucking stupid and think you can have a decent infrastructure for cheap or that being stupid is a viable way of life.
I know, i know, I should wish for a unicorn, that's more probable.
Good for you.
I don't give a shit about you and your bleeding heart.
And yes, I've been sick with no insurance and paid for services rendered without crying a fucking river. Didn't ask for the community or family to chip in. Someone breaks into my house, I'm armed. If my house burn down, I have insurance to pay for it. I've been homeless before. Nobody, but my family gave a fuck. And no, I don't think giving 28-33% of my hard earned money to the feds so they can use it to buy war toys is my money well spent.
:)
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:05 pm
by Lsuoma
Lsuoma wrote:So, if Eucliwood gets any more annoying to me, I'm going to set the post flood limit to 1800 seconds (30 minutes).
Then exempt EVERYONE else from the flood limit.
Oh, and I'd fully expect s/h/it to start whining elsewhere about banning. Won't stop me.
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:08 pm
by Rystefn
In fairness, that's a bitch move, Lsuoma, and you fucking well know it.
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:11 pm
by franc
Skep tickle wrote:2) another schism! "feminism" is so 2012. Here comes "womanism", get ready to climb onboard or be left behind.... :roll: :lol:
Uh, before you spin off on too much of a tangent on "womanism", perhaps you should acquaint yourself -
Good for you.
I don't give a shit about you and your bleeding heart.
And yes, I've been sick with no insurance and paid for services rendered without crying a fucking river. Didn't ask for the community or family to chip in. Someone breaks into my house, I'm armed. If my house burn down, I have insurance to pay for it. I've been homeless before. Nobody, but my family gave a fuck. And no, I don't think giving 28-33% of my hard earned money to the feds so they can use it to buy war toys is my money well spent.
codelette, you are being disingenuous. I think what welch is describing is a functional society, not a place where only the rich can afford school, and where we let children die if they cannot afford cancer treatment, or food. It's not 'bleeding heart', its common fucking human decency.
And I am guessing your 'services rendered' weren't in the hundreds of thousands, or even millions of dollars. I guess if you get sick, and you cannot afford the 50k or more that it costs to get better, that we should just tell you to fuck off and die, as your health is not our problem. Sheesh.
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:14 pm
by Zenspace
xinit wrote:
Altair wrote:Adam Lee backpedals frantically after Ghost of BoxTurtle gives him a very specific answer he clearly wasn't expecting:
Methinks he got a bit more than he bargained for there. Nicely done Ghost of Boxturtle. :clap:
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:15 pm
by Tristan
Rystefn wrote:In fairness, that's a bitchbaboon move, Lsuoma, and you fucking well know it.
FTFY. Careful, Lsuoma, that you don't become that which you despise.
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:15 pm
by Lsuoma
Rystefn wrote:In fairness, that's a bitch move, Lsuoma, and you fucking well know it.
Yeah, probably.
An alternative I'm also considering is to remove s/h/it's ability to use BBCode.
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:15 pm
by Eucliwood
codelette wrote:
Good for you.
I don't give a shit about you and your bleeding heart.
And yes, I've been sick with no insurance and paid for services rendered without crying a fucking river. Didn't ask for the community or family to chip in. Someone breaks into my house, I'm armed. If my house burn down, I have insurance to pay for it. I've been homeless before. Nobody, but my family gave a fuck. And no, I don't think giving 28-33% of my hard earned money to the feds so they can use it to buy war toys is my money well spent.
:)
Oh yay, everyone just shoot someone if they break in! If anything happens to your home, - EASY!! insurance! duh!! (Did you know that insurance is not the same as fully covering your own shit and that you are using someone else's money when you talk about being 'insured'?) and being homeless is no reason to ask for help or cry! Cos you were homeless! Hell, if someone has children that cant do anything about their situation? fuck thaaat... parents problem. No need for taxes! Sick?? Dont have insurance? ITS SO EASY TO JUST PAY FOR HOSPITAL BILLS YOURSELF OMG. As for "hard earned," I never actually trust that someone's job is so hard, or that they "work their ass off" because I've seen people refer to "jobs" that are easier than going to fucking school (which you do for free) as 'hard earned.'
People who're agains ta system of taxes and dont get that the world just doesnt work without them - everyone putting in so that everyone can live a life, would get on the internet and whine soon after taxes are abolished (hypothetical). Sure, "private services" could replace the government, but they'd charge, and people would whine about the things that taxes pay for costing too much and demanding that the government make taxes again.
Did you know that you don't have to worry about paying taxes, codelette? You can just opt out of it - of course, you don't get any of the services our taxes pay for though. But that's fine, you don't need anyone else's help but your own.
Lsuoma wrote:So, if Eucliwood gets any more annoying to me, I'm going to set the post flood limit to 1800 seconds (30 minutes).
Then exempt EVERYONE else from the flood limit.
Um, wow, tyrant much? I am not "flooding" anything, Lsuoma. Doing that just because you don't like what I say to you in some of my posts just goes to show you can't handle power either. Before you do so, at least tell me some other places that are critical of FtB, etc, like slymepit.
Rystefn wrote:
No. I am outright stating it. I also hate Star Trek, World of Warcraft, anime in general, and both 3e and 4e, so the nerd rage crowd has plenty of ammo.
What the hell does Star Trek, World or Warcraft, anime in general (although that's like saying you dislike cartoons in general... dumb cos its too broad a hate), and whatever the hell 3e is, have to do with Harry Potter?
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:16 pm
by Lsuoma
We'll see. S/h/it's still the most annoying cunt this side of colon.
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:17 pm
by Zenspace
another lurker wrote:Renee, they cannot watch Tf00ts video, because if they do, then they would be forced to answer direct questions regarding the content of said video...
Better to just sit on the soapbox all safe and secure, free from criticism!
Oh, you just know they've watched it over and over and over...
They will never admit such a thing, of course. The resulting silence is still rather deafening. :popcorn:
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:18 pm
by Skep tickle
franc wrote:
Skep tickle wrote:2) another schism! "feminism" is so 2012. Here comes "womanism", get ready to climb onboard or be left behind.... :roll: :lol:
Uh, before you spin off on too much of a tangent on "womanism", perhaps you should acquaint yourself -
Didn't know the term had been around that long. (Surely someone must have done some kind of a branch chart by now on all the divisions in "feminism"?)
At any rate, it looks perfect for A+, at least for some of them (as evidenced by some of them identifying as "womanists" and others sympathizing, at least until some unforgiveable word, term, attitude, or assumption is displayed by one side of the other at some point, which seems inevitable).
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:19 pm
by Eucliwood
another lurker wrote:
codelette, you are being disingenuous. I think what welch is describing is a functional society, not a place where only the rich can afford school, and where we let children die if they cannot afford cancer treatment, or food. It's not 'bleeding heart', its common fucking human decency.
And I am guessing your 'services rendered' weren't in the hundreds of thousands, or even millions of dollars. I guess if you get sick, and you cannot afford the 50k or more that it costs to get better, that we should just tell you to fuck off and die, as your health is not our problem. Sheesh.
Yea, codelette is pretty lacking in empathy. But again, he can always opt out of taxes- I would be HAPPY to not pay for some slick like that that's against the idea anyway. Hell, anyone that doesn;t like the idea can opt out and stop "mooching" right now, so that taxes only help everyone else.
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:21 pm
by analyzedatheist
another lurker wrote:So, Reap Paden = The Angry Atheist?
Ooh, did I out him... :?
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:22 pm
by Maximus
Altair wrote:
welch wrote:
For me it was dune. I read all the books (at the time, 5. Chapterhouse Dune was the last one), then burned all five, and threw the ashes in a lake so they couldn't be reconstituted. Fuck me, herbert needed an editor and bad. probably a blowjob too.
I liked the first book, it was a good story and an interesting and complex universe. I think Herbert should have left it at that. "Messiah" and "Children Of" were so-so, and then I had to force myself to finish God Emperor.
By that book, he had already abandoned any idea of writing a novel or having a plot, instead relying on the idea that "If no one can understand it, it must be really deep".
OMFG, exactly my reaction too. I started the fifth, but just couldn't keep punishing myself. I've got like 15 of the dune series on audiobook, that I'll take another stab at eventually.
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:22 pm
by Plonk
A bit of trivia: Adam Lee's twitter avatar is of Tom Sloane, boyfriend of Daria. And Daria might be the missing link between Velma and the Skepchicks:
Eucliwood wrote:
Oh yay, everyone just shoot someone if they break in! If anything happens to your home, - EASY!! insurance! duh!! (Did you know that insurance is not the same as fully covering your own shit and that you are using someone else's money when you talk about being 'insured'?) and being homeless is no reason to ask for help or cry! Cos you were homeless! Hell, if someone has children that cant do anything about their situation? fuck thaaat... parents problem. No need for taxes! Sick?? Dont have insurance? ITS SO EASY TO JUST PAY FOR HOSPITAL BILLS YOURSELF OMG. As for "hard earned," I never actually trust that someone's job is so hard, or that they "work their ass off" because I've seen people refer to "jobs" that are easier than going to fucking school (which you do for free) as 'hard earned.'
People who're agains ta system of taxes and dont get that the world just doesnt work without them - everyone putting in so that everyone can live a life, would get on the internet and whine soon after taxes are abolished (hypothetical). Sure, "private services" could replace the government, but they'd charge, and people would whine about the things that taxes pay for costing too much and demanding that the government make taxes again.
Did you know that you don't have to worry about paying taxes, codelette? You can just opt out of it - of course, you don't get any of the services our taxes pay for though. But that's fine, you don't need anyone else's help but your own.
Here comes another sanctimonious bitch...
You know what really really gets me about the "taxes are so awesome" crowd, is that in the end most of you are really a bunch of self-righteous bitches. "Oh my gawd, you are so selfish...and so completely stupid...and whaaaa"
And yeah "opting out" really translate to "you are going to jail" for refusing to pay taxes. Great deal right there.
Really. Spare me the preacher's diatribe. It's falling on deaf ears.
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:26 pm
by dewi666
I always wondered about the daria Watson connection too. Problem is Daria and Jane would eat Watson for lunch.
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:26 pm
by another lurker
analyzedatheist wrote:
another lurker wrote:So, Reap Paden = The Angry Atheist?
Ooh, did I out him... :?
AA, I read your introduction. I agree 100%. The more that I learn about Elevator Gate, the less reasonable it seems. I mean, it sounded reasonable on the surface, but if you dig deeper, its nothing more than an attention grab.
Great intro though, and glad to have you aboard!
As for Reap, I listened to the Angry Atheist podcasts before I ever visited FTBlogs. He comes across like the nicest, most laid back guy. And here they talk about him on FTB as if he is a rapist. One of the regulars even pointed out, with a 'nudge nudge wink wink' tone, that "reap" was an anagram for 'rape.' Just goes to show how out of touch they are, and how ready they are to smear and lie about people.
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:27 pm
by Eucliwood
codelette wrote:
Here comes another sanctimonious bitch...
You know what really really gets me about the "taxes are so awesome" crowd, is that in the end most of you are really a bunch of self-righteous bitches. "Oh my gawd, you are so selfish...and so completely stupid...and whaaaa"
And yeah "opting out" really translate to "you are going to jail" for refusing to pay taxes. Great deal right there.
Really. Spare me the preacher's diatribe. It's falling on deaf ears.
Yes, self-righteous bitches for having basic empathy? Using the term "self-righteous" for anything other than times when people are *demonizing* something unfairly is dumb. Some psychopaths also say that those against murder are "self righteous"... but no, it's called ethics, dear.
And no, bitch, opting out does not translate to "you are going to jail." Nice straw man there. It translates to YOU DONT GET TO MOOCH OFF OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PAY TAXES WHILE BITCHING ABOUT THEM. Now go on and fill out the papers.
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:30 pm
by Maximus
fascination wrote:Good find, franc! Sexual noises? Basketball hoops?
That and isn't she one of Watson's biggest fans.... looks like she's after some major victim credentials so she can be a true skepchick.
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:31 pm
by Rystefn
Eucliwood wrote:
Rystefn wrote:
No. I am outright stating it. I also hate Star Trek, World of Warcraft, anime in general, and both 3e and 4e, so the nerd rage crowd has plenty of ammo.
What the hell does Star Trek, World or Warcraft, anime in general (although that's like saying you dislike cartoons in general... dumb cos its too broad a hate), and whatever the hell 3e is, have to do with Harry Potter?
Guess what? I dislike cartoons in general. Comic books, too. What it has in common is that it inspires a great deal of nerd rage to be projected in my direction. So, you know, if it makes you feel better to flame at me over it, I'm more than used to it. Oh, and like all true Star Wars fans, I hate Star Wars, too. Just so you know.
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:32 pm
by redress
I think "CULT OF PERSONALITY" represents PZ Myers pretty accurately,
From wikipedia
"A cult of personality arises when an individual uses mass media, propaganda, or other methods, to create an idealized, heroic, and, at times god-like public image, often through unquestioning flattery and praise. Sociologist Max Weber developed a tripartite classification of authority; the cult of personality holds parallels with what Weber defined as "charismatic authority". A cult of personality is similar to hero worship, except that it is established by mass media and propaganda."
If PZ Had a theme song, I think it would be this
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:32 pm
by Eucliwood
Rystefn wrote:
Guess what? I dislike cartoons in general. Comic books, too. What it has in common is that it inspires a great deal of nerd rage to be projected in my direction. So, you know, if it makes you feel better to flame at me over it, I'm more than used to it. Oh, and like all true Star Wars fans, I hate Star Wars, too. Just so you know.
Wow, flame at you? Someone's defensive this evening. You're the only one providing flames - against harry potter. Don't see what there is to hate about it though.
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:36 pm
by welch
codelette wrote:
welch wrote:
That works until you have to pay what shit actually costs because everyone else says "Fuck you and YOUR roads." Then you discover just how expensive shit really is when you have to foot the full bill for your share, and realize "huh. Maybe that taxes shit ain't so bad after all."
That, and a full "pure" libertarian state means you don't have fuck all for infrastructure. Why should I give a fuck about your needs when you aren't me? Oh, public health is expensive and you're sick? Sucks to be you.
I'll take my community where we all give what isn't really that fucking much, and be happy. I got decent roads, clean water, occasionally decent healthcare, my auto insurance don't cost a fucking tenth of what it would if I had to pay for all of it myself, and if you stop listening to the screaming ninnies on the news, you realize we don't fuck shit up nearly as often as it seems. No one shook me down for private tolls, and if my house is on fire, my taxes ensure the fucking fire department will show up. Someone breaks into my house, I can call the cops. Yeah, some cops are dicks so what? Some atheists are dicks, but I like y'all well enough to know not to let an edge case jackoff represent the entire population.
I would just like people to stop being so fucking stupid and think you can have a decent infrastructure for cheap or that being stupid is a viable way of life.
I know, i know, I should wish for a unicorn, that's more probable.
Good for you.
I don't give a shit about you and your bleeding heart.
And yes, I've been sick with no insurance and paid for services rendered without crying a fucking river. Didn't ask for the community or family to chip in. Someone breaks into my house, I'm armed. If my house burn down, I have insurance to pay for it. I've been homeless before. Nobody, but my family gave a fuck. And no, I don't think giving 28-33% of my hard earned money to the feds so they can use it to buy war toys is my money well spent.
:)
You're confusing "caring" with "maintaining the shit you need". That's a common mistake, so I'm unsurprised that you made it. But no one helped you? Get bent.
Did you have a road on which to travel to the doctor's? Did you physically build, help build or even fully pay for it? No, you did not. You paid taxes like everyone else.
Were there cops maintaining some semblance of order whilst you journeyed about, so that armed gangs ala that bastion of libertarian heaven, Somalia wasn't your daily experience? Did you fully pay the salary of every copy in your town? No, you did not, you paid taxes like everyone else.
You're right in that nobody cared about your deal, nor, mind you, does anyone outside of your family and friends STILL care. But that is not the same as the bullshit you imply of "doing it on your own." You most certainly did not do any of that "on your own" nor are you currently doing it all "on your own" nor shall you EVER do it all "on your own".
It is that central self-delusion, that requirement for complete disconnection from the reality of how shit really works in an even SLIGHTLY functional society that makes me just sadly shake my head at libertarians. They all sound like that great idiot Craig T. Nelson who, in one of the best moments of a complete inability to understand how things work said:
"I've been on food stamps and welfare, did anybody help me out? No."
He was on food stamps and welfare, yet NO ONE helped him out.
except for a hundred-plus million taxpayers he never met.
So go on thinking you did all that shit ON YOUR OWN. Still won't be true.
Lsuoma wrote:We'll see. S/h/it's still the most annoying cunt this side of colon.
oh just leave the poor dear alone. Most people are handling the twonk in their own way. Just go back to being a tit about quote levels :-P
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:38 pm
by another lurker
"I've been on food stamps and welfare, did anybody help me out? No."
Craig T. Nelson said the same thing.
Cognitive dissonance at it's finest!
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:38 pm
by Reap
jjbinx007 wrote:I see on the Dillahunty thread on Pharyngula they were suggesting that the expression "drama whore" should be replaced by "drama llama", and then someone else piped up with:
I think we should encourage dropping the “drama†part too. As a dismissive insult, it carries with it a sexist connotation (cf. “drama queenâ€>. Also, it’s usually used to belittle the real concerns of (mostly, though I acknowledge, not in this particular case) girls and women.
...
I say, use “conflict†or “hostilityâ€, or, as I suggested to lilandra “maliceâ€.
So, the term "drama whore" has now morphed into Hostility Llama.
Makes perfect sense.
I can't wait til they finally come to the conclusion every word is sexist or encourages bigotry and the only sound they can make to communicate is a high pitched shriek.... I imagine Stephanie Zvan gives a good example everytime her mouth opens
Stephanie you're a BITCH DICK .
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:38 pm
by welch
codelette wrote:
Eucliwood wrote:
Oh yay, everyone just shoot someone if they break in! If anything happens to your home, - EASY!! insurance! duh!! (Did you know that insurance is not the same as fully covering your own shit and that you are using someone else's money when you talk about being 'insured'?) and being homeless is no reason to ask for help or cry! Cos you were homeless! Hell, if someone has children that cant do anything about their situation? fuck thaaat... parents problem. No need for taxes! Sick?? Dont have insurance? ITS SO EASY TO JUST PAY FOR HOSPITAL BILLS YOURSELF OMG. As for "hard earned," I never actually trust that someone's job is so hard, or that they "work their ass off" because I've seen people refer to "jobs" that are easier than going to fucking school (which you do for free) as 'hard earned.'
People who're agains ta system of taxes and dont get that the world just doesnt work without them - everyone putting in so that everyone can live a life, would get on the internet and whine soon after taxes are abolished (hypothetical). Sure, "private services" could replace the government, but they'd charge, and people would whine about the things that taxes pay for costing too much and demanding that the government make taxes again.
Did you know that you don't have to worry about paying taxes, codelette? You can just opt out of it - of course, you don't get any of the services our taxes pay for though. But that's fine, you don't need anyone else's help but your own.
Here comes another sanctimonious bitch...
You know what really really gets me about the "taxes are so awesome" crowd, is that in the end most of you are really a bunch of self-righteous bitches. "Oh my gawd, you are so selfish...and so completely stupid...and whaaaa"
And yeah "opting out" really translate to "you are going to jail" for refusing to pay taxes. Great deal right there.
Really. Spare me the preacher's diatribe. It's falling on deaf ears.
I no more expect lolbertarians to listen to anyone not sucking Ayn Rand's cock than I do Rebecca Watson to get a decent dye job.
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:39 pm
by ConcentratedH2O, OM
another lurker wrote:Noelplum just referred to Nerd of Redhead as a 'fucking idiot'. #112
Love it...
I did stir some shit wrt Nerd, but Nerd is a fucking idiot. Nerd actually holds the record for the most insane response i have ever received on the internet after rejecting, as evidence that i have vocally denounced online threats (to people like RW), a video of me vocally denouncing online threats, and further informing me that only peer reviewed journals count as evidence (that i had vocally denounced online threats)!!
I reallly dislike Nerd. He is such a complete and total ass. I notice you guys even have a thread dedicated to him. He is such a hateful, bitter, hostile fuckwit. Go noel!!!!
Does anyone know what the "om trolls" part of Nerd's name is in reference to?
If you PROVIDE A FUCKING LINK TO THE RELEVANT FUCKING COMMENT/AT LEAST POST then I will answer your OM question.
As an OM myself, I am perfect and above being questioned, so some additional ego-stroking may be beneficial to you.
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:41 pm
by another lurker
ConcentratedH20, OM, I apologize for leaving out the quote.
codelette wrote:
Here comes another sanctimonious bitch...
You know what really really gets me about the "taxes are so awesome" crowd, is that in the end most of you are really a bunch of self-righteous bitches. "Oh my gawd, you are so selfish...and so completely stupid...and whaaaa"
And yeah "opting out" really translate to "you are going to jail" for refusing to pay taxes. Great deal right there.
Really. Spare me the preacher's diatribe. It's falling on deaf ears.
Yes, self-righteous bitches for having basic empathy? Using the term "self-righteous" for anything other than times when people are *demonizing* something unfairly is dumb. Some psychopaths also say that those against murder are "self righteous"... but no, it's called ethics, dear.
And no, bitch, opting out does not translate to "you are going to jail." Nice straw man there. It translates to YOU DONT GET TO MOOCH OFF OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PAY TAXES WHILE BITCHING ABOUT THEM. Now go on and fill out the papers.
So, paying taxes means you have empathy? That's a loose definition of the word empathy if I ever heard one.
And, contrary to whatever the fuck you imagine on your world of rainbows and lollipops: Taxes in the United States are not optional. You don't pay? 1) They seize your property 2) You go to jail
BTW, look up the definition of 'straw man'. That term does not mean what you think it means. I would have to have misrepresented your argument for this to be a straw man situation. I haven't, so there. Bitch.
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:44 pm
by Maximus
welch wrote:
Five kind of sucked balls. The first half was naught but a recap, and the rest was "Harry is a great whining tit, and anyway, Hermione carries his ass on her back for the entire series."
Absofuckinglutly! Hermione and Ginnie were the best characters in the whole series!
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:46 pm
by franc
codelette wrote:
franc wrote:
codelette wrote:Libertarianism is more like Satanism.
Can't tell if sarcastic, but you have no idea how spot on you are. At least in terms of pre-Reagan libertarianism and LaVey style Satanism.
No sarcasm on my part. And yes, was actually thinking about LaVey's Satanism "You are your own god" and "don't fuck with other people unless they fuck with you" philosophy.
Forgive me for underestimating the succinctness of your comment then. Too many people dismiss LaVey as a crank. He was a prankster, a la Robert Anton Wilson, in that he never clarified what was serious in his writings and what was not. It was the responsibility of the reader to work that out. As a result, simply mentioning his name autogenerates stupid responses - and in his world, stupidity and evil are interchangeable so I suspect the confusion is deliberate.
I always like this piece -
[spoiler]
Pentagonal Revisionism
By Anton S. LaVey-
In recent years, we've wasted far too much time explaining that Satanism has nothing to do with kidnapping, drug abuse, child molestation, animal or child sacrifice, or any number of other acts that idiots, hysterics or opportunists would like to credit us with. Satanism is a life-loving, rational philosophy that millions of people adhere to. Now we're ready for something that goes quite a few steps beyond just explaining our principles. Every revisionist movement needs a set of goals/guidelines that are clear, concrete, and that will effect significant changes. The following Five-Point Program reflects attitudes which allow others to decide whether they wish to align themselves with Satanism or not. Each is necessary for Satanic change to take place. When asked what we're "doing," here's the answer:
1. Stratification - The point on which all the others ultimately rest. There can be no more myth of "equality" for all - it only translates to "mediocrity" and supports the weak at the expense of the strong. Water must be allowed to seek its own level without interference from apologists for incompetence. No one should be protected from the effects of his own stupidity.
2. Strict taxation of all churches - If churches were taxed for all their income and property, they'd crumble overnight of their own obsolescence, and the National Debt would be wiped out as quickly. The productive, the creative, the resourceful should be subsidized. So long as the useless and incompetent are getting paid, they should be heavily taxed.
3. No tolerance for religious beliefs secularized and incorporated into law and order issues - to re-establish "Lex Talionis" would require a complete overturning of the present in-justice system based on Judeo-Christian ideals, where the victim/defender has been made the criminal. Amnesty should be considered for anyone in prison because of his alleged "influence" upon the actual perpetrator of the crime. Everyone is influenced in what he or she does. Scapegoating has become a way of life, a means of survival for the unfit. As an extension of the Judeo-Christian cop-out of blaming the Devil for everything, criminals can gain leniency, even praise, by placing the blame on a convenient villain. Following the Satanic creed of "Responsibility to the responsible," in a Satanic society, everyone must experience the consequences of his own actions - for good or ill.
4. Development and production of artificial human companions - The forbidden industry. An economic "godsend" which will allow everyone "power" over someone else. Polite, sophisticated, technologically feasible slavery. And the most profitable industry since T.V. and the computer.
5. The opportunity for anyone to live within a total environment of his or her choice, with mandatory adherence to the aesthetic and behavioral standards of same - Privately owned, operated and controlled environments as an alternative to homogenized and polyglot ones. The freedom to insularize oneself within a social milieu of personal well-being. An opportunity to feel, see, and hear that which is most aesthetically pleasing, without interference from those who would pollute or detract from that option. This is the encapsulated version of the current thrust of Satanic advocacy. So when someone asks you, "Well, what do Satanists do?", you will be qualified to tell him.
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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:48 pm
by Skep tickle
another lurker wrote:Noelplum just referred to Nerd of Redhead as a 'fucking idiot'. #112 ....
Does anyone know what the "om trolls" part of Nerd's name is in reference to?
OM = Order of the Molly (named for Molly Ivins)
I'm not sure why "OM troll"
P.S: I was inspired by your avatar, its super cute! And my kitty is an Abyssinain, she is super spastic retard:P
Can't stand cats but that is cool coloring she looks gold.
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:50 pm
by Rystefn
Eucliwood wrote:
Rystefn wrote:
Guess what? I dislike cartoons in general. Comic books, too. What it has in common is that it inspires a great deal of nerd rage to be projected in my direction. So, you know, if it makes you feel better to flame at me over it, I'm more than used to it. Oh, and like all true Star Wars fans, I hate Star Wars, too. Just so you know.
Wow, flame at you? Someone's defensive this evening. You're the only one providing flames - against harry potter. Don't see what there is to hate about it though.
That wasn't an accusation. Just saying that I get a lot of shit over it, so if you felt like joining in, I really wouldn't mind. I've got pretty thick skin. Hard to offend or piss me off. Although, if you consider what I said about HP flaming, you might to get your meter recalibrated, that shit be faulty, yo.
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:51 pm
by welch
Oh, I almost forgot. Tonight, Melissa comes to me and starts talking about a list of things you must do to not be transphobic she read somewhere. I'll try to get the link from her. It was all kinds of stupid crap, and my first response: "Was this written by natalie reed?" followed by "Were you on the Atheism + forums?" (no to both), because it sounded like the kind of stupid shit they'd write.
Her opinion was just how the fuck do these people do anything when they're so busy bursting into helpless tears every three seconds.
"Welp, now you know what a social justice warrior looks like. I'm sorry you had to see such stupidity."
See? Empathy is important. Bitches like empathy.
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:52 pm
by Eucliwood
welch wrote:
So go on thinking you did all that shit ON YOUR OWN. Still won't be true.
Wow, did he seriously say that he was on foodstamps, etc, and that no one helped him out in the same sentence? This is the most retarded thing a tax bitcher could say...
As for acting like its bitchy or self righteous to say that they are lacking in empathy.. yes, how dare I rebut someone who has basically no empathy for me or anyone else. They'd hang over my hospital bed & wheel me out for not having enough to pay for treatment under their system, & basically give me a big "fuck you, too bad." I'm just glad I don't live in a country THEY run... shit's just cold.
And yeah, It really enrages me that anyone is helping out someone who thinks they "did shit on their own" despite the collective mass people paid to help them. But, oh well. Who knows. They could get into some srs accident when they opt out of taxes before learning their lesson and opting back in, and they'd be dead. hat's too extreme a lesson to learn.
codelette wrote:
So, paying taxes means you have empathy? That's a loose definition of the word empathy if I ever heard one.
And, contrary to whatever the fuck you imagine on your world of rainbows and lollipops: Taxes in the United States are not optional. You don't pay? 1) They seize your property 2) You go to jail
BTW, look up the definition of 'straw man'. That term does not mean what you think it means. I would have to have misrepresented your argument for this to be a straw man situation. I haven't, so there. Bitch.
No, WANTING to pay taxes means you have empathy. You pay taxes, but you do not WANT to... am I talking about you when I say having basic empathy? No.
Nice way to twist what I said there. If you don't pay, and you haven't OPTED OUT, those are things that happen. It's not a world of rainbows and lollipops I described - of course you think not having access to any of the services taxes provide is a "world of rainbows and lollipops."
Again, I'd tell you to hurry up and renounce your citizenship before we pay another cent for your sorry ass - just make sure not to die after you do so.
You know, that thing you can do to opt out of taxes? The site even comes with this: Explanation of your rights: what rights you lose upon renunciation, and what rights you still have.
I refuse to scrounge the site for specific methods in doing so.
Another fellow spoke of renouncing his US citizenship around last year or so. No, he wasn't moving to another country or anything, but still. Besides, moving to another country simply has you pay tax- unless its a country that doesn't ave taxes. Then it'll be just like renouncing citizenship while living in America.
How do these people manage to be so dishonest and stupid?
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:53 pm
by real horrorshow
JackRayner wrote:I reject that "cis" bullshit anyways. It's just some nonsense made up term the SJW's invented, appropriated from chemistry, apparently.
As a history reader, I always think of it in terms of Roman provinces. Cisalpine Gaul was south of the Alps and nearer to Rome. Transalpine Gaul was beyond the Alps to the north. You see. Makes perfect sense!
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:54 pm
by codelette
welch, i still like you. I don't like Eucliwood, cause she's a bitch that begs for "edit" buttons.
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:55 pm
by AbsurdWalls
codelette wrote:welch, i still like you. I don't like Eucliwood, cause she's a bitch that begs for "edit" buttons.
You know she's like Beetlejuice, except you only have to say it once, right?
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:57 pm
by Eucliwood
codelette wrote:welch, i still like you. I don't like Eucliwood, cause she's a bitch that begs for "edit" buttons.
When the hell did I beg for edit buttons? Let it go, you dumb shit. I said something about suggesting them once, I read the reasons why there's no edit buttons here, nodded and noted them, and it's begging?When others did it, no one complained.
And really, welch shouldn't care whether you "like" him or not. That like doesn't go a long way when he's lying on a hospital bed, homeless, or driving on non-roads.
AbsurdWalls wrote:
codelette wrote:welch, i still like you. I don't like Eucliwood, cause she's a bitch that begs for "edit" buttons.
You know she's like Beetlejuice, except you only have to say it once, right?
In this case, some of you say it 10 times, twisting, distorting, exaggerating, and dramatizing like little A+ shits the whole way.
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:58 pm
by ButterCup
astrokid.nj wrote:[spoiler]
another lurker wrote:
The way women are treated in India = rape culture. Being harassed for personal info, being groped, having upskirt pics taken = example of rape culture. A guy cat-calling or saying 'you're hot' is not rape culture, imo.
Before anyone jumps on me for my thoughts about what and what doesn't constitute rape culture, please bear in mind that I try really hard to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I would like to learn from people, and to consider everyone's viewpoint, before making blanket statements. My views are -never- set in stone. I honestly just want to understand the world better!
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Since you asked, I have to dismiss your The way women are treated in India = rape culture as bollocks.
I am an Indian living in the US now, and normally I dont engage when people make comments about how women are treated in Muslim countries, or in India. The only question I say aloud in my head is "How do you know? Do you have any expertise in those countries? Have you lived there for years? Have you studied books by experts, esp contrasting views? Or do you go by your media.. the media that has a 'Sophisticated Propaganda Model to Manufacture Consent', as Noam Chomsky made a compelling case for?". India is very complicated by its numerous problems.. last 500 (Muslim)+200(Brit) years of foreign rule, vast poverty, non-egalitarianism due to numerous classes/castes, massive population density, internalized corruption due to transactional nature of man-God relation in Hinduism, etc. Its pretty much pointless to analyze particular incidents without knowing lots of things.
[spoiler]Go read this blog by a woman in India.. Fight for gender equality. And guess what.. she's bitterly anti-feminist. she fights for mens rights. She hates the US for sending the US laws Eastwards. Of course, you will also find feminist blogs that argue the other way.. using the FTB-model of card-stacking.
“Whoever, intending to insult the modesty of any woman, utters any word, makes any sound or gesture, or exhibits any object, intending that such word or sound shall be heard, or that such gesture or object shall be seen by such woman, or intrudes upon the privacy of such woman, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to one year, or with fine, or with bothâ€, reads Section 509 of the Indian Penal Code.
Section 354 of the Indian Penal Code prescribes a maximum sentence of two years in prison to a person convicted for outraging the modesty of a woman.
Do you know that in India, trains, restaurants, etc have a women-only section? Society bends over backwards to see to it that women have it better. "Women and Children first" arises from human psychology.. across cultures. If there were a rape culture in India, you wont see women like the one in this vid (albeit transported to a new culture). Note that you will rarely find men behaving this way.. whether its India or the West.. they know they will get their ass kicked. "Well Educated" Crazy Woman On Metro North Train With Subtitles
NOTE, I have never been to India and my Indian friends were all born in the U.S., so I already know I know nothing about India in any real sense. Just pointing out parts of your statement. And as someone in the U.S., I know there is a crap ton of stuff we do that you can easily go after.
A case can be made that a country that HAS to have separate trains, etc for women so that they are safer, does indeed have a rape or sexual harassment culture, one that the government is trying to combat. Obviously, a country where all people felt safe would not need separate trains.
Also, you gave many reasons why India is not all it could be yet. That doesn't counter if India has a rape culture or not, just gives a partial explanation as to why it might have one.
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:58 pm
by franc
codelette wrote:welch, i still like you. I don't like Eucliwood, cause she's a bitch that begs for "edit" buttons.
My edit button works just fine.
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:59 pm
by Anon
real horrorshow wrote:
JackRayner wrote:I reject that "cis" bullshit anyways. It's just some nonsense made up term the SJW's invented, appropriated from chemistry, apparently.
As a history reader, I always think of it in terms of Roman provinces. Cisalpine Gaul was south of the Alps and nearer to Rome. Transalpine Gaul was beyond the Alps to the north. You see. Makes perfect sense!
Just wanted to add, after 3.5 credits (7 1 semester courses) in Latin I have never seen cis outside of Cisalpine.
Hey, are you that guy from Troll Hunter? Nice to get another addition to the Nordic contingent.
Oneiros666 wrote:I get your argument about flat tax, if it meant increasing the rate for the poorer and reducing it for the wealthy. But here in Norway it would mean keeping at the same level as today for poor (already quite low thanks to the 15k cut-off), reducing it for the middle class (the vast majority of the populace in Norway and actually increasing it for the über-rich (that today only pay 28 % on capital gains after deductions for interest- costs).
If there's a cut-off point for taxation and a flat rate above that, that would still be a progressive tax system. It could be better than a steeper progressive tax but that's "haggling over the price", so to speak.
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:03 pm
by Rystefn
Eucliwood wrote:Another fellow spoke of renouncing his US citizenship around last year or so. No, he wasn't moving to another country or anything, but still. Besides, moving to another country simply has you pay tax- unless its a country that doesn't ave taxes. Then it'll be just like renouncing citizenship while living in America.
Doesn't work. The U.S. Govt doesn't recognize attempts to renounce citizenship. You can't opt-out of taxes, either. Not without getting fucked by the IRS when they find out about it.
Re: Periodic Table of Swearing
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:03 pm
by AbsurdWalls
franc wrote:
codelette wrote:welch, i still like you. I don't like Eucliwood, cause she's a bitch that begs for "edit" buttons.
My edit button works just fine.
Oh yeah. Last edited by AbsurdWalls on Wed Jan 03, 2013 5:04 am, edited 1 time in total. Reason: Cool!