Periodic Table of Swearing

[comslave]

Seeing as we're going through a wave of gaining new members, maybe someone should stick an olive branch into the non-safespace A+ forum?

That depends, is there anyone here that hasn't already been banned from the A+ forums?

[Metalogic42]

[spoiler]

Haha, Will just said this about me on Skepchick:
"That person was harassing people in another thread. Telling them to stay the fuck out of my thread and then banning them if they don’t is not bullying."

I was cursed at, shouted at, and accused of being a rapist, and I was the one harassing people? *facepalm*

Sounds par for the course unfortunately. If you're lucky someone will edit your comments to be things like "Bitches ain't shit!"

[/spoiler]
Ha, that happened to me somewhere else once (fuck if I can find the link now). I was the "most disappointed dudebro!!!", cause I dared to suggest that the phrase "wife aggro" wasn't a big deal.

To be fair "wife aggro" is kind of a big deal, you can lose raiders that way. We found you could reduce the impact if you had the partner raid too, or if all the critical roles were played by people who's partner was present.

I never lost raiders over it, even when people said it whose wives didn't raid. Hell, I've never even heard anyone I raid with complain about it - male or female. I have, however, lost raiders over loot disputes.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

I just tried that google hangout to see what it's like, and for a noob like me it's a fuckfest. No lickey!

[LMU]

[spoiler]

I quite liked the Napier approach, seemed practical to me on the point of sati:

'You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours.

I'm not terrifically diplomatic.

Yes, nasty, arrogant British Empire. No good came of it you know!

On the matter of the whole quibble about FGM/male circumcision. The problem with the FTB/SJWs is that they don't seem to understand what an ethical principle is. If you throw someone, who has committed no crime, into jail for a day, that's wrong. If you throw them in jail for life, it's wrong. No-one with any sense would claim they're equally severe, but they are equally wrong, because they are both violations of the same ethical principle.

Similarly, no-one with any sense is claiming that a (non-medical) male circumcision, carried out in a Western hospital is as physically or emotionally traumatising as a full infibulation, carried out with an old razor blade, in some African village. However, they are equally wrong, because they are both violations of the recipients bodily autonomy. The additional pain and suffering of Third World FGM victims is a further wrong, to be considered in addition to the first, not instead of it.

As a last thing, this sort of leads to Dawkins' 'Dear Muslima' response to Elevatorgate. It's important to remember that Dawkins was not trying to say: "EGate was bad, but hey other people have it worse." Such appeal to more severe problems is a wonky argument at best. Someone always has it worse. Should we therefore do nothing about any problem until we're sure it's the absolute worst?

Dawkins' 'Dear Muslima' seemed to be an example of this. So, at the time, he made a second post on Pharyngula to clarify that he wasn't making that argument. What he was saying was that EGate was "zero bad", not a lesser problem, but not a problem at all.[/spoiler]

Much later PeeZus posted some cartoon of an ideal feminist world where a man approaches a woman, is turned down, and simply goes on his way without fuss. As someone here pointed out, that is exactly what Elevator Guy did! More to the point, his approach - as recounted by Becky in her original video - was prefixed by a reassurance, complimentary and polite. This was not the terrifying act of a predatory beast. That wilful mis-interpretation came later.

The comic mentioned:[spoiler]http://sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2012-06-21.gif[/spoiler]

From: http://sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2012-06-21.gif

[Eucliwood]

Much later PeeZus posted some cartoon of an ideal feminist world where a man approaches a woman, is turned down, and simply goes on his way without fuss. As someone here pointed out, that is exactly what Elevator Guy did! More to the point, his approach - as recounted by Becky in her original video - was prefixed by a reassurance, complimentary and polite. This was not the terrifying act of a predatory beast. That wilful mis-interpretation came later.

Ugh, implying that women don't whine or fuss at men that don't want to date them or go out to coffee with them. Implying that THEIR girlfriends never say things like "Oh, it's okay, he's not good enough for you anyway," even when they aren't rude about turning them down.

Seeing as we're going through a wave of gaining new members, maybe someone should stick an olive branch into the non-safespace A+ forum?

That depends, is there anyone here that hasn't already been banned from the A+ forums?

Hahahaha, AbsurdWalls, they'd probably be banned right away, even if all they said was "hey guys, Im from slymepit, lets get along." What would the point of that be, anyway? It sucks there.

If anyone hasn't already been banned from A+ forums, tell me how long you've been there, and I might give you an award for somehow being on "good behavior" to their standards. Or maybe an Ass-Kissing award.

I just tried that google hangout to see what it's like, and for a noob like me it's a fuckfest. No lickey!

What's the link? I never found it. Gimme.

[Guest]

I have only been reading progressive blogs for a year.

I think this may be a major part of what's wrong among internet atheists these days, this 'progressive' thing.

'Progressive'. What's that? To me, it's what socialists call themselves in polite society: it means all the same things, but has lighter and fluffier connotations, you know, without all the mass murder. When you don't want to identify as Left-Wing, perhaps because you're claiming to be moderates in opposition to Those Awful People Over There, then you call yourselves Progressives and label Those Awful People as Reactionaries.

The point being, since when was the atheist movement a _progressive_ movement at all? We're out for social change, I suppose, but consider why. Our opposition to religion is not so much because it's factually wrong, but because it tries to impose its rules on outsiders; people believing wacky things and keeping it to themselves aren't a problem. That's a libertarian cause.

Now, who follows this cause? Who are the movement atheists? Well, for the most part, they're the educated elite of society, and they're people with the intelligence and the leisure time to spend thinking about such matters - as opposed to the masses who unthinkingly tick 'C of E' despite not actually believing a word of it. Are we progressives? Well, not necessarily. If we've selected atheism as our cause for campaigning, then presumably we do not have any bigger fish to fry! Were we poor, we'd become Socialists and demand handouts. Were we troubled by racial issues, we'd become active in some local community group pushing for our people's interests. Were we particularly angry about sexism, we'd join a feminist group. But we chose atheism.

So campaigning atheists tend to be people who are not at all oppressed by any power structure, save this one only! To put it in social justice terms: we're not a movement of the underprivileged seeking social justice. We're a movement of the highly privileged, seeking yet more privilege! Religion is our one and only hobgoblin, which we want rid of, to achieve for ourselves a more complete liberty.

Perhaps we confused people when we openly supported gay rights, or opposed genital mutilation. These are fine causes, yes, but why did we as a movement get behind those campaigns? Not because we're Progressive Allies, but because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. The oppressor in these cases was Religion, and Gay Rights and Feminism were convenient sticks with which to beat Religion. So we were mistaken for Progressives, and that attracted the social justice crowd, who never understood the truth until now. Natalie Reed understood this, in the end; so I think did McCreight; both have openly disavowed atheism as a movement and have gone away to pursue their own interests, and fair play to them in that.

Me, I quit reading Pharyngula when the whole Dictionary Atheists thing happened. Myers thought atheism ought to be a progressive movement of the political left; fine, fuck him then. Alas, ignoring the problem only allowed it to fester and grow, until it exploded into the mess we have today. So to avoid any future confusion, we ought to be clear on this: we are _not_ a progressive movement. We're a movement that includes some progressives - after all, the Communists were atheists to begin with! - but also many liberals and libertarians, and a good many conservatives to boot. And if you have some cause that is more important to you than the abolition of God, then please keep it under your hat while you're playing with us, because we don't need the drama.

My own great hope for the atheist movement in America is that it may some day liberate the Republican party and the Conservative movement as a whole from the crippling grip of Christianity, and restore some sanity and electability to the American Right. Some progressive movement!

[JackRayner]

Hensley on twitter has blamed "mra infiltration" of the atheist movement for the push back she and the other ideologues have recieved. Seriously Hensley, MRA infiltration?! Are you a total whackjob? How many times do you have to be fucking told, the atheist movement is not the feminist movement.

Must be hard for people who arrived at "atheism" because their gender studies professors told them that "god" was a big meanie to see the difference. I bet the majority of these women would credit feminism for their disbelief in "god". Besides, who needs "god" when you've got Patriarchy? :D

Matt Dillahunty's video response to Thunderf00t:

This should be spectacularly pathetic.

:popcorn:

[Altair]

What sort of social anxiety does he have, anyway? Is it generalized? Specific to a few situations? Presentation (speaking in front of)-specific? I know that social situational and generalized anxiety can be helped, step by step, even if you don't think it can be. presentational is a total life killer so far though. I won't go into detail.

I would like to help Setar out, so he can stop using & abusing his anxiety for some A+ heirarchy status. Disgusting. So, Setar, come on down... I have some experience in helping with that issue you love having. I'll cure it. Muwhahahaha.

I don't think he's ever specified what kind of anxiety he has. Based on his others comments about therapists, I'd be inclined to think it might be self-diagnosed.

I have to wonder if he'd accept a direct offer from help like yours, or if he would just call it some form of abuse from a privileged person, or something.

[another lurker]

A happy new year to all at the pit.

The hostility from these fools seems, to me, to come from a pathological cognitive dissonance (at least, there are several other signifiers of mental instability over and above the self confessed whining of their "poor me" competitions) in which they are perfectly aware of their hostile, obnoxious anti-social behaviours, but at the same time are convinced their ideology that such behaviour is not a symptom of their own unstable personalities, in fact they are victims of The Rapeocracy. As such they absolve themselves of such behaviour instead projecting it outwards towards those who have not been "saved" by belief in their personal faith must be motivated by the hostile obnoxious and anti-social as they know themselves to be.

Quoted For Truth.

[Eucliwood]

What sort of social anxiety does he have, anyway? Is it generalized? Specific to a few situations? Presentation (speaking in front of)-specific? I know that social situational and generalized anxiety can be helped, step by step, even if you don't think it can be. presentational is a total life killer so far though. I won't go into detail.

I would like to help Setar out, so he can stop using & abusing his anxiety for some A+ heirarchy status. Disgusting. So, Setar, come on down... I have some experience in helping with that issue you love having. I'll cure it. Muwhahahaha.

I don't think he's ever specified what kind of anxiety he has. Based on his others comments about therapists, I'd be inclined to think it might be self-diagnosed.

I have to wonder if he'd accept a direct offer from help like yours, or if he would just call it some form of abuse from a privileged person, or something.

No, he literally cannot do that. I have it too. We have the same "un"privilege. I probably had to conquer MORE mental issues than him, actually. I wish he would. I'd not reveal I have the same, let him accuse me of privilegedperson abuse, and then whip the facts out on him. That'll teach him to abuse abuselabels with his privilegedpersonsassumption shit.

[Eucliwood]

IN FACT, I HAVE MOAR MARGINALIZATION STATUS THAN HIM. I WILL ACCUSE HIM OF ABUSING A MARGINALIZED PERSON.

Somehow...
I'll say something like, "Setar is abusing his privilege by asserting his scary white manliness on me to tell me, unprivileged ethnic female (oh, sorry, I forgot, that word is sexist) woman, that he doesn't want help with an issue we both have!"

[codelette]

Regarding Kabuki Face: I'm gonna thru my Twitter feed to locate a twit from this dude who was reminding her that she was a rich girl. That she was trying to say that she was lacking because her mom was cuckoo.

[Metalogic42]

What sort of social anxiety does he have, anyway? Is it generalized? Specific to a few situations? Presentation (speaking in front of)-specific? I know that social situational and generalized anxiety can be helped, step by step, even if you don't think it can be. presentational is a total life killer so far though. I won't go into detail.

I would like to help Setar out, so he can stop using & abusing his anxiety for some A+ heirarchy status. Disgusting. So, Setar, come on down... I have some experience in helping with that issue you love having. I'll cure it. Muwhahahaha.

I don't think he's ever specified what kind of anxiety he has. Based on his others comments about therapists, I'd be inclined to think it might be self-diagnosed.

I have to wonder if he'd accept a direct offer from help like yours, or if he would just call it some form of abuse from a privileged person, or something.

He would almost certainly call it abuse. I've seen it before. Step 1: self-diagnose something after reading an article about it on Psychology Today. Step 2: Eschew help in favor of "diversity". Step 3: Turn into a SJW douchebag.

[LMU]

Haha, Will just said this about me on Skepchick:
"That person was harassing people in another thread. Telling them to stay the fuck out of my thread and then banning them if they don’t is not bullying."

I was cursed at, shouted at, and accused of being a rapist, and I was the one harassing people? *facepalm*

Sounds par for the course unfortunately. If you're lucky someone will edit your comments to be things like "Bitches ain't shit!"

Ha, that happened to me somewhere else once (fuck if I can find the link now). I was the "most disappointed dudebro!!!", cause I dared to suggest that the phrase "wife aggro" wasn't a big deal.

To be fair "wife aggro" is kind of a big deal, you can lose raiders that way. We found you could reduce the impact if you had the partner raid too, or if all the critical roles were played by people who's partner was present.

I never lost raiders over it, even when people said it whose wives didn't raid. Hell, I've never even heard anyone I raid with complain about it - male or female. I have, however, lost raiders over loot disputes.

We usually only ever lost them temporarily or for a session. Though that could be inconvenient if it was mid run and we had to find a replacement. We were actually very lucky to have raiders who were very laid back about loot distribution.

LSUOMA: EDITED TO REMOVE SPOILER SPOILAGE

[another lurker]

Guest wrote:

we are _not_ a progressive movement. We're a movement that includes some progressives - after all, the Communists were atheists to begin with! - but also many liberals and libertarians, and a good many conservatives to boot. And if you have some cause that is more important to you than the abolition of God, then please keep it under your hat while you're playing with us, because we don't need the drama.

I hope you were not referring specifically to -me- in your last sentence. As I stated earlier, I am new to everything. And what is most confusing to a noobie is the fact that progressive and atheism -appear- to be so entwined right now, thanks to FTB and the A+ movement. Unfortunately, so far, I have come across very few blogs that are atheist only. Most of the blogs that I have read are some mish mash of progressive and atheist. I am simply ignorant, that's all. And that's why I am here, with an open mind, to learn about all aspects of the atheist movement :P

On FTB, ignorance is a crime. On FTB, naivete makes you no better than a rapist. Assholes.

[Guest]

That's one badly broken spoiler tag.

[Eucliwood]

Regarding Kabuki Face: I'm gonna thru my Twitter feed to locate a twit from this dude who was reminding her that she was a rich girl. That she was trying to say that she was lacking because her mom was cuckoo.

Oh god, please call it what it is- a TWEET... I sat through an entire episode of casting characters saying they had "twits" and wanted to "twit" back a "twit" to the "twit" they just got. Made me cringe every time.

He would almost certainly call it abuse. I've seen it before. Step 1: self-diagnose something after reading an article about it on Psychology Today. Step 2: Eschew help in favor of "diversity". Step 3: Turn into a SJW douchebag.

Diversity of what? Not having anxiety when you're trying to socialize or present something? xD I didn't know they did that. I had the impression that since they have acronyms like "people with disabilities" (PwD) and those who demonize help efforts usually rage, bitch, and lunge at people saying they have a disability or even a disorder (some autistic community goers).

[another lurker]

Did I break the board with my last post? All I did was use the quote function, as usual. Sorry if I did, no idea what went wrong!

[codelette]

Looking for the tweet where this guy was telling Kabuki Face to stop complaining about bs

[LMU]

Did I break the board with my last post? All I did was use the quote function, as usual. Sorry if I did, no idea what went wrong!

No, I think it was me abusing the spoiler tags. Sorry everyone! :oops:

[JackRayner]

Cis-sexual is opposed to trans-sexual (who you feel yourself to be) while straight is opposed to gay (who you are attracted to). Though I'm sure there's some subtlety that I'm leaving out that a SJW would like to eviscerate me over.

Thank you, using the opposite words was a very good way to explain the concepts.

I reject that "cis" bullshit anyways. It's just some nonsense made up term the SJW's invented, appropriated from chemistry, apparently.

[codelette]

Regarding Kabuki Face: I'm gonna thru my Twitter feed to locate a twit from this dude who was reminding her that she was a rich girl. That she was trying to say that she was lacking because her mom was cuckoo.

Oh god, please call it what it is- a TWEET... I sat through an entire episode of casting characters saying they had "twits" and wanted to "twit" back a "twit" to the "twit" they just got. Made me cringe every time.

Twit.
Cringe now.

:)

[Mykeru]

Mykeru, is that the pictorial memory of your vehicular encounter, or some other poor bastard's? The paint lines on the ground suggest a shitty ending...

Nope. Failed to take photos for some reason.

Here, however is a photo of the helmet and jersey I was wearing:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8211/8338 ... 84bf_z.jpg

Note the blood spray and diagonal paint transfer from the frame of the car.

[Metalogic42]

Diversity of what? Not having anxiety when you're trying to socialize or present something? xD I didn't know they did that. I had the impression that since they have acronyms like "people with disabilities" (PwD) and those who demonize help efforts usually rage, bitch, and lunge at people saying they have a disability or even a disorder (some autistic community goers).

Their idea of diversity is meaningless. It's like they want to simultaneously say "woe is me, I have all these problems!" and also "I don't need any help, there's nothing wrong with me!" In general, it's never been too big of a movement, but it's rampant on A+. They just want attention.

[sacha]

What I said, but with more detail than you'll ever need -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hit ... etarianism

from your link:

In addition to being a teetotaler and a non-smoker, Adolf Hitler has been regarded by some historians as a vegetarian. On the other hand, biographer Robert Payne contends that Hitler's alleged asceticism and vegetarianism were fictional propaganda spread by Joseph Goebbels to emphasize Hitler's self-control and total dedication to Germany.

many historians mistakenly use the term "vegetarian" to describe a "flexitarian" i.e. someone who simply reduces their meat consumption.

Although the reports of just how much meat he ate are conflicting, they all agree that he did eat meat. The term "vegetarian" means one who does not consume meat of any kind, and that was well known 100 years prior to the Nazis.

Often one will hear Merkins say they are vegetarian, but they eat poultry, and/or seafood. They call themselves vegetarian because it sounds admirable, but they are not vegetarians. It is the same thought process as the propaganda of Hitler being vegetarian. It made him sound more admirable. He may have even referred to himself as a vegetarian. I'm sure he had difficulty reconciling his abhorrence of animal cruelty and eating meat.

The point is, you seem to think I am bothered by the thought of him being a vegetarian, which I would not be in the slightest. He certainly was an animal lover, He was instrumental in enacting animal welfare laws that were unheard of at the time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_wel ... zi_Germany

He treated Blondi his dog extremely well, apparently he could not bear to watch animal cruelty, even on film, shared his food with mice.
He even had a special interest in wolves, dogs, and ravens (exactly like I do).

The point is that the definition of "vegetarian" was not any different than it is now.

Vegetarianism is the practice of abstaining from consumption of meat – red meat, poultry and seafood. It may also include abstention from by-products of animal slaughter, such as animal-derived rennet and gelatin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism

[Metalogic42]

Cis-sexual is opposed to trans-sexual (who you feel yourself to be) while straight is opposed to gay (who you are attracted to). Though I'm sure there's some subtlety that I'm leaving out that a SJW would like to eviscerate me over.

Thank you, using the opposite words was a very good way to explain the concepts.

I reject that "cis" bullshit anyways. It's just some nonsense made up term the SJW's invented, appropriated from chemistry, apparently.

They needed a term to group MtF and FtM transgenders that would also set both apart from dudes and chicks. More Us vs. Them mentality.

[Badger3k]

Regarding Kabuki Face: I'm gonna thru my Twitter feed to locate a twit from this dude who was reminding her that she was a rich girl. That she was trying to say that she was lacking because her mom was cuckoo.

Oh god, please call it what it is- a TWEET... I sat through an entire episode of casting characters saying they had "twits" and wanted to "twit" back a "twit" to the "twit" they just got. Made me cringe every time.

Twit.
Cringe now.

:)

I thought that the messages were 'tweets' and the users were the twits. Was this wrong?

[Altair]

And now Ophelia has a post titled "Bullied or Cajoled" about Thunderf00t's video that's nothing more than snippets from similar posts at Pharyngula, Skepchick and some guy named Michael Nugent's blog.

She's not even trying anymore, is she?

http://bit.ly/VBlxdI

[Mykeru]

Ugh. Dillahunty talking about sex parties and their rules. As someone who has been part of the "lifestyle", I really don't want to think of that man galumphing around a sex party.

Speaking from the same perspective, I think everyone at a party would experience attraction to Matt.

I am speaking of gravitational pull, of course.

I'm going to be very fair here and say my original comment really wasn't meant to be about his size (I should have rethought "galumphing"). Rather I had this vision in my head of him trying to "get busy" all the while walking around talking to the vid cam in his cell phone, blithely stepping on people along the way.

Yes, but to be fair some more, he really is a fat fuck who probably has to wipe his ass with a rag on a stick.

[papillon]

Now in the very video where Matt is saying how he had a bad day, so he banned a load of people then secretly regretted it later, and Im dishonest for not knowing that.... he is now going on a ban frenzy. LMAO... you cant write stuff this stupid.

I liked that bit too..

http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu11 ... ea819e.jpg

http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu11 ... f336ab.jpg

Don't know if they've been memory holed already.

[Guest]

Guest wrote:

And if you have some cause that is more important to you than the abolition of God, then please keep it under your hat while you're playing with us, because we don't need the drama.

I hope you were not referring specifically to -me- in your last sentence. As I stated earlier, I am new to everything. And what is most confusing to a noobie is the fact that progressive and atheism -appear- to be so entwined right now, thanks to FTB and the A+ movement. Unfortunately, so far, I have come across very few blogs that are atheist only. Most of the blogs that I have read are some mish mash of progressive and atheist.

No, not you in particular, more of the abstract 'you' we have to go with because nobody uses 'one' any more. For me, that's the chief problem: people who think we should do X, or Y, or Z, because that would advance some pet cause of theirs. Diversity, perhaps, or equality, or feminism, or socialism, or Occupy Wall Street. When we ask how that will help advance secularism... tumbleweed.

There was a post on /r/atheism I remember; back when all of Reddit had a big hard on for Occupy, back when it was going to change the world. Someone at one of those vagrant camps of theirs had a sign saying GET RELIGION OUT OF POLITICS. "At last," I thought, "one of these people has come up with a slogan I can really get behind! Three cheers!" But no; consensus on /r/atheism was that this sort of thing would split the movement and would be bad for the cause. Not /r/occupywallstreet: /r/atheism said this. Doing away with the political influence of money had become more important to an atheist group than doing away with the political influence of religion. The rot had spread a very long way.

The atheist movement to me is fundamentally libertarian in nature, and this idea that it is or ought to be a progressive movement for social justice is alien, an aberration. Perhaps it's a product of the sick state of American politics, where religion is very strongly identified with the political Right. As I said, my own great hope is that we might liberate the Right from this strange possession, and allow there to be a proper Conservative movement again!

[katamari Damassi]

In addition to being a teetotaler and a non-smoker, Adolf Hitler has been regarded by some historians as a vegetarian. On the other hand, biographer Robert Payne contends that Hitler's alleged asceticism and vegetarianism were fictional propaganda spread by Joseph Goebbels to emphasize Hitler's self-control and total dedication to Germany.

In the documentary film Hitler's Secretary, she talks about having lunch with him and he only ever at vegetable dishes. He explained that it was a diet his physician had put him on.

[Metalogic42]

More A+ ridiculousness:
[spoiler]http://i.imgur.com/T9mR8.jpg[/spoiler]

This is really stretching it, even for them.

[ReneeHendricks]

Ugh. Dillahunty talking about sex parties and their rules. As someone who has been part of the "lifestyle", I really don't want to think of that man galumphing around a sex party.

Speaking from the same perspective, I think everyone at a party would experience attraction to Matt.

I am speaking of gravitational pull, of course.

I'm going to be very fair here and say my original comment really wasn't meant to be about his size (I should have rethought "galumphing"). Rather I had this vision in my head of him trying to "get busy" all the while walking around talking to the vid cam in his cell phone, blithely stepping on people along the way.

Yes, but to be fair some more, he really is a fat fuck who probably has to wipe his ass with a rag on a stick.

Fuck. Now I have that pretty little vision in my head. Thanks, Mykeru!

[welch]

Latest is up: http://dissentionisnothate.wordpress.co ... ly-adults/

[Mykeru]

Did I break the board with my last post? All I did was use the quote function, as usual. Sorry if I did, no idea what went wrong!

No, I think it was me abusing the spoiler tags. Sorry everyone! :oops:

You are why we can't have nice things.

[another lurker]

Guest wrote:

As I said, my own great hope is that we might liberate the Right from this strange possession, and allow there to be a proper Conservative movement again!

I agree with you. I am left of center on some issues, a bit more right on others. I too would like to see religion out of politics. It was sad to see the Democratic party succumb to pressure and put "God" back in their platform. /vomit.

[welch]

Seeing as we're going through a wave of gaining new members, maybe someone should stick an olive branch into the non-safespace A+ forum?

That depends, is there anyone here that hasn't already been banned from the A+ forums?

I haven't, but I don't care about the plonkers. If they want to come here, they know how to find us.

[Angry_Drunk]

The atheist movement to me is fundamentally libertarian in nature...

"Atheism" is the lack of belief in deities.

Full.
Mother.
Fucking.
Stop.

Calling atheism "libertarian" is doing precisely what you've just accused "Progressives" of doing.

[Maximus]

Now in the very video where Matt is saying how he had a bad day, so he banned a load of people then secretly regretted it later, and Im dishonest for not knowing that.... he is now going on a ban frenzy. LMAO... you cant write stuff this stupid.

I liked that bit too..

http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu11 ... ea819e.jpg

http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu11 ... f336ab.jpg

Don't know if they've been memory holed already.

:clap:

[codelette]

I thought that the messages were 'tweets' and the users were the twits. Was this wrong?

I mingle with a lot of Puertoricans in Twitter, so I use a lot of Spanglish slang. For me:
Tuitero - the person
Tuit - the message
Tuitear - the action

[another lurker]

Wow, Kassiane is a fucking fucktard. Setar and Kassiane are made for each other.

[codelette]

I meant "on Twitter".

[Metalogic42]

Latest is up: http://dissentionisnothate.wordpress.co ... ly-adults/

Excellent article!

[Ape+lust]

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[Mykeru]

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Ugh. Dillahunty talking about sex parties and their rules. As someone who has been part of the "lifestyle", I really don't want to think of that man galumphing around a sex party.

Speaking from the same perspective, I think everyone at a party would experience attraction to Matt.

I am speaking of gravitational pull, of course.

I'm going to be very fair here and say my original comment really wasn't meant to be about his size (I should have rethought "galumphing"). Rather I had this vision in my head of him trying to "get busy" all the while walking around talking to the vid cam in his cell phone, blithely stepping on people along the way.

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Yes, but to be fair some more, he really is a fat fuck who probably has to wipe his ass with a rag on a stick.

Fuck. Now I have that pretty little vision in my head. Thanks, Mykeru!

Hey, stop whining. I didn't mention his tiny little balls chafed red, caused by his thighs smashing together like two pig carcasses on a collision course with every step he takes.

[JTC]

So for my New Years resolution I promised myself I need to read books more often. I have a small problem though. After a few pages I tend to read myself into a trace and start skimming. Does anyone else have this problem and how did you overcome it?

[Guest]

The atheist movement to me is fundamentally libertarian in nature...

"Atheism" is the lack of belief in deities.

Full.
Mother.
Fucking.
Stop.

Calling atheism "libertarian" is doing precisely what you've just accused "Progressives" of doing.

Atheism is that, I fully agree, and a person's atheism conveys no information about their politics. But if we're talking about an atheist movement? If we mean a movement to make more people atheists, a proselytising campaign, then yes, that would also be politically neutral. But if we mean a secular movement, looking to do away with religious constraints on freedom, then it seems to me that's a libertarian cause.

Hypothetically it might be that the religious constraint on my freedom is a tithe, which the Church will spend on battered women's shelters; that's a good cause, but I'd want that tithe gone all the same, and any atheist movement worthy of the name would campaign against it. We're out to be free of religious interference, just as the libertarians are out to be free of state interference, and that's why I characterise the atheist movement as a basically libertarian concept.

[welch]

The atheist movement to me is fundamentally libertarian in nature...

"Atheism" is the lack of belief in deities.

Full.
Mother.
Fucking.
Stop.

Calling atheism "libertarian" is doing precisely what you've just accused "Progressives" of doing.

Pretty much. Atheism as a thing is the set of people who don't believe in gods. (you can't even say "supernatural" in this case, although I'd argue it fits.) Past that, it's, sadly, Atheism *plus* <thing>. The assigning of other things to Atheism is not only incorrect, but it's also the kind of crap PeeZus does. "Don't be a 'dictionary' atheist" ring a bell? Right.

It's why the skeptic movement is and should be separate. Even theists can still be skeptics.

[Metalogic42]

Hey, stop whining. I didn't mention his tiny little balls chafed red, caused by his thighs smashing together like two pig carcasses on a collision course with every step he takes.

[another lurker]

A while back on Ophelia's blog, I made the mistake of pointing out that the person who accused Kevin Clash (elmo) of sexual abuse was in fact a criminal. The guy had robbed someone, amongst other things. And that maybe we should not take criminals at their word, because they are, after all, criminals.

I was immediately and angrily accused of 'victim blaming', and reminded that victims of sexual abuse often engage in criminal behaviour, and that I should give the accuser a break. "Well yeah, he's trying to extort money from Elmo, but hey, he was abused, so it's ok, he's huting after all."

Ok so by that logic, if a rapist rapes, and that rapist was abused, we can't be mad at the rapist, because he too is a victim? Right? Right????

[Za-zen]

Hensley on twitter has blamed "mra infiltration" of the atheist movement for the push back she and the other ideologues have recieved. Seriously Hensley, MRA infiltration?! Are you a total whackjob?

This is what an MRA looks like:
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I like the Blackhawk-style load-bearing harness with drop-leg tactical holster, but the hard case pouches seem impractical.

I bear the weight on my instructor's gun belt, which is slightly more flexible than a duty belt, with a velcro inner belt on my Tru-Spec 24/7 pants. Mine has on a tanto-bladed tactical knife with a Kydex sheath, a rail accessory holder with a .45 magazine and tactical light, a Molle compatible canteen cover with a canteen, cup and canteen stove with assorted Esbit tablets (traditional Trioxene tablets are poisonous and hard to handle) a American Tomahawk LaGana Tactical Tomahawk and a .45 Mil-Spec 1911A in a Serpa CQC holster.

Rather than spend New Years Day trying to figure out when it's okay to dox and tell someone to get off the rag, I finally finished the jigsaw puzzle-like task of fitting all my shit into my BFM bug-out bag. I should lay it all out and take a picture.

And I relate all that just to irritate the Velmas and Shaggys who think living strenuously means going on a quest with Sir Howard of Wolowitz.

Never understood the logic behind having your mags to the front of your webbing. When prone you have to tilt your body in order to reload. When crouched they are just damn awkward. Our standard layout was on our hips, makes for a fast tac reload too.

[JackRayner]

I can't guarantee that no one will try to dogpile you or call you names (please remember that "fuck you" is a term of endearment to some), but if we haven't banned oolon then we won't ban you, so you can always just call them names back (:

For the record, I have really only heard the FTB et al. opinions on rape culture. Well, that and a bit of what MRA's have to, but many of them are batshit crazy as well.

What's so crazy about stating that "rape culture" does not exist where we live? :think:

[Altair]

Never understood the logic behind having your mags to the front of your webbing. When prone you have to tilt your body in order to reload. When crouched they are just damn awkward. Our standard layout was on our hips, makes for a fast tac reload too.

Or you could just hit the 'R' key and Reload.
Noob.

[another lurker]

I can't guarantee that no one will try to dogpile you or call you names (please remember that "fuck you" is a term of endearment to some), but if we haven't banned oolon then we won't ban you, so you can always just call them names back (:

For the record, I have really only heard the FTB et al. opinions on rape culture. Well, that and a bit of what MRA's have to, but many of them are batshit crazy as well.

What's so crazy about stating that "rape culture" does not exist where we live? :think:

Jack, MRA's say a lot of things. And some of those things are reasonable, and some are not. I was talking about the crazy shit. I am still learning about rape culture. The extreme MRA's are no better than the extreme SJW's, imo. Utterly.Fucking.Delusional.Dreams.of.Imagined.Persecution.

[Mr Danksworth]

So for my New Years resolution I promised myself I need to read books more often. I have a small problem though. After a few pages I tend to read myself into a trace and start skimming. Does anyone else have this problem and how did you overcome it?

I use a ruler or a finger to follow the lines. It keeps my brain from skipping too far ahead.

[JTC]

Never understood the logic behind having your mags to the front of your webbing. When prone you have to tilt your body in order to reload. When crouched they are just damn awkward. Our standard layout was on our hips, makes for a fast tac reload too.

Or you could just hit the 'R' key and Reload.
Noob.

That's the way our tactical vests were also. During training we went prone but more of our engagements in Afghanistan we were either standing or kneeling.

[ButterCup]

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Way way back when I was a feminist, whenever there was a march to attend (women's day, take back the night, etc), various communist parties would show up, march with us, and try to hand us their pamphlets. I was like get that shit away from me, but others fell for it.

Then, there was the invasion of the Numb Yoyos, a culty branch of buddhism that recruited from among us. I lost a couple of friends to that one. They believed that success, love, and riches would be theirs if only they chanted for enough hours every day in a language they didn't even understand (Japanese). I call them the Numb Yoyos because their one-sentence-over-and-over chant sounded kind of like that phrase. I think their type of buddhism was called Nicherin Shoshu or something like that. I could google or wiki it, but I'm feeling lazy. ReGretavirus acting up. :)

I really despise mission creep. They take footholds every time someone is scared of not being PC enough and lets them in the door. I no longer think of FTB as an atheist blogging spot. It's almost all pure radfeminism. Any atheism is accidental these days.

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Back in the Bush years, every time I participated in a protest I somehow always ended up next to the Free Mumia assholes.

Same thing with me, but it was the A.N.S.W.E.R. assholes. Any protest they started OR basically took over were a bait and switch from the main issue (like not invading Iraq), to everything from Palestine, to Mumia, to communism, to just about anything else.
And then, when people were leaving because we saw only the first few big name speakers were discussing Iraq, they would try and bribe the crowd promising something special if they stayed.

Something special always equaled shitty poetry or shitty bongo music.

[astrokid.nj]

The way women are treated in India = rape culture. Being harassed for personal info, being groped, having upskirt pics taken = example of rape culture. A guy cat-calling or saying 'you're hot' is not rape culture, imo.

Before anyone jumps on me for my thoughts about what and what doesn't constitute rape culture, please bear in mind that I try really hard to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I would like to learn from people, and to consider everyone's viewpoint, before making blanket statements. My views are -never- set in stone. I honestly just want to understand the world better!

Since you asked, I have to dismiss your The way women are treated in India = rape culture as bollocks.
I am an Indian living in the US now, and normally I dont engage when people make comments about how women are treated in Muslim countries, or in India. The only question I say aloud in my head is "How do you know? Do you have any expertise in those countries? Have you lived there for years? Have you studied books by experts, esp contrasting views? Or do you go by your media.. the media that has a 'Sophisticated Propaganda Model to Manufacture Consent', as Noam Chomsky made a compelling case for?". India is very complicated by its numerous problems.. last 500 (Muslim)+200(Brit) years of foreign rule, vast poverty, non-egalitarianism due to numerous classes/castes, massive population density, internalized corruption due to transactional nature of man-God relation in Hinduism, etc. Its pretty much pointless to analyze particular incidents without knowing lots of things.

Here's a devastating attack on a woman. Its utter disregard for human life.. happens all the time in India.. the value of life is very low. Reducing it to 'rape culture' is bollocks.
" Shame Shame " Indian Hindu man beating up woman on Busy Street

Go read this blog by a woman in India.. Fight for gender equality. And guess what.. she's bitterly anti-feminist. she fights for mens rights. She hates the US for sending the US laws Eastwards. Of course, you will also find feminist blogs that argue the other way.. using the FTB-model of card-stacking.

“Whoever, intending to insult the modesty of any woman, utters any word, makes any sound or gesture, or exhibits any object, intending that such word or sound shall be heard, or that such gesture or object shall be seen by such woman, or intrudes upon the privacy of such woman, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to one year, or with fine, or with both”, reads Section 509 of the Indian Penal Code.
Section 354 of the Indian Penal Code prescribes a maximum sentence of two years in prison to a person convicted for outraging the modesty of a woman.

rape-culture?

White Knights to the Rescue
rape culture?

Do you know that in India, trains, restaurants, etc have a women-only section? Society bends over backwards to see to it that women have it better. "Women and Children first" arises from human psychology.. across cultures. If there were a rape culture in India, you wont see women like the one in this vid (albeit transported to a new culture). Note that you will rarely find men behaving this way.. whether its India or the West.. they know they will get their ass kicked.
"Well Educated" Crazy Woman On Metro North Train With Subtitles

[Mykeru]

Looking at the bar-lowering of victimhood.

I know this is entirely anecdotal, and yes, there are bigoted assholes out there, but I think this is more indicative of how the real world works.

Awesome Story About People Standing Up To A Homophobe

Reminds me of this dated little experiment done a while ago:

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The one overt asshole in that clip is also, not surprisingly a cowardly little weasel.

So when people go on about blah-blah rape culture blah blah homophobe blah blah misogyny blah blah everyone is against me, that seems to be more indicative of either some paranoia or a specific bad situation.

My totally anecdotal experience is that people, once they can break out of the "don't get involved" apathy, aren't women hating transphobic misogynistic racist scumbags. Most people think rape is a terrible, inexcusable thing. That gay bashing is a criminal act. That if there is a widespread practice of paying women less, all things being equal, the hammer would come down.

Am I wrong? Does that prove I don't get it? Should I seek enlightenment by assuming most people are shits?