If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

Altair wrote: That's because you are a normal person who has a normal worldview. Setar and the rest of the A+ live in a made-up world where a Negative-Privilege Coefficient puts them higher in the pecking order. So they cling to anything that lowers their privilege, even if that means being strangely happy about having Social Anxiety.
And he has to milk his anxiety for everything it's worth, since he's not black, female or trans, which would put him way up there at the top of the A+ shit-riarcky with almost no effort.

comslave wrote:

rocko2466 wrote:Is anyone else worried that Watson is damaging her hair by colouring it all the time? As a kid, I got told you do it too much it starts falling out.

She's just trying to hide the fact that her hair is transitioning to snakes.

Hair is always dead. It's just dead carotene. There's nothing you can do to it that can affect the hair follicle unless you burn it off with a laser or acid.

katamari Damassi wrote:

Scented Nectar wrote: Way way back when I was a feminist, whenever there was a march to attend (women's day, take back the night, etc), various communist parties would show up, march with us, and try to hand us their pamphlets. I was like get that shit away from me, but others fell for it.

Then, there was the invasion of the Numb Yoyos, a culty branch of buddhism that recruited from among us. I lost a couple of friends to that one. They believed that success, love, and riches would be theirs if only they chanted for enough hours every day in a language they didn't even understand (Japanese). I call them the Numb Yoyos because their one-sentence-over-and-over chant sounded kind of like that phrase. I think their type of buddhism was called Nicherin Shoshu or something like that. I could google or wiki it, but I'm feeling lazy. ReGretavirus acting up. :)

I really despise mission creep. They take footholds every time someone is scared of not being PC enough and lets them in the door. I no longer think of FTB as an atheist blogging spot. It's almost all pure radfeminism. Any atheism is accidental these days.

Back in the Bush years, every time I participated in a protest I somehow always ended up next to the Free Mumia assholes.

cunt wrote:
Your wife is in the passenger seat you obese retard. Why not have her drive and concentrate on the road while you concentrate on the internet drama.

Metalogic42 wrote:[spoiler]

codelette wrote:

Altair wrote:

bhoytony wrote:

codelette wrote:BTW, what the fuck is a Setar? Sounds angry

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I had always wondered what Setar's claim to under-privilege was, seeing as he is white and male. Not sure if he's straight and/or cis-sexual, though (are those the same thing?).
Social anxiety does sound like a nasty thing to have, but the part about the long hair and the toxic masculinity are just stupid.

Gosh, those fuckers really enjoy their pity parties. Guess what, I was diagnosed about ten years ago with Panic Attack Disorder w/ Mild Agoraphobia and Social Anxiety. Didn't get a diagnose until after a decade of visits to the public hospital ER. I believed something was wrong with my heart. Everything started after we lost our house due to hurricane damage. Even if they diagnosed me with the anxiety thing back then, my family didn't have the resources to pay for a shrink. I just fucking kept going. I've never used my mental health shit to paint me as a victim of society. I feel no empathy nor pity for that motherfucker.

Cry me a river, bitch.

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He (zxie, or some dumb shit?) just doesn't want to admit that he's not a special and unique snowflake, or that almost everyone has problems that they have to deal with too.

These dumb pronouns remind me of this:

comslave wrote:

Natalie Reed wrote:And really, that's what KILLS me: I NEVER WANTED TO BE A PART OF THE ATHEIST MOVEMENT.

It's not like you were drafted, honey. 'cause, you know, only men can be drafted.

So don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

another lurker wrote:[spoiler]

sacha wrote:

another lurker wrote:The FTB commenters are so divorced from reailty.

I remember a post on OB's blog from back in August - a commenter was shitting all over us westerners for having the gall to refer to FGM as 'female genital mutilation.

See, we should have known, even though such information was not available to us, that use of the word 'mutilation' upsets indigenous African people, and that we should use the term 'cutting' instead.

Yeah, cuz you know, all those African villagers who read FTB and the Slymepit et al. will be so fucking offended at our choice of terminology!!

Srsly, wtf is wrong with these people???? And she was really really really angry and hostile about this!

Boggles the mind it does.

psychological distance from the horrific reality of a practice, is how otherwise rational people can commit atrocities, with FGM, add another layer to that, they have been convinced they are doing the right thing out of love for their daughters.

"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" -Voltaire

One cannot march into a village and shout accusations of mutilation and abuse if they would like to see an end to FGM.

PC police and SJW do not understand the nuance of this. The reason not to offend them about FGM is so they don't see you as attacking their culture and their love towards their family, and that is the only way to have a chance at having a calm, rational discussion that may lead to a few women seeing FGM very differently, and they will discuss that with others, and hopefully the people of that culture will decide for themselves to stop.
Empowerment is the only solution.

This does not mean FGM should be treated with respect when speaking about it to those that agree it is barbaric, and certainly not to those who have no idea what it entails.
That only perpetuates the view that the rumours are exaggerated, and it isn't that bad, which makes less people interested in stopping it.

Is there anything the PC police and SJWs do that actually helps instead of hinders?

I wanted to discuss this here with Skep Tickle quite a while ago when she mentioned foot binding and why it is no longer practiced. The psychology of why things like this are accepted to begin with, and the psychology of how to end the practice it is quite interesting.

You are correct and I agree with your viewpoint. I was only complaining about the fact that the person on OB's blog (she worked for the WHO) was seriously -hostile- about the fact that we used the term 'mutilation' when talking amongst ourselves on various blogs. Seeing as how we are not directly interacting with the people who practise FGM, I would suspect that it is acceptable to use the term 'FGM' amongst ourselves. If I was over in Africa trying to change things, well duh, I would work my damndest to use the right words and not offend people.

Regarding Matt Dillahunty, a couple points:

1) he seems to be quite the prima donna. I caught the start of a TAE show once, where he was yelling and screaming at the production crew, and bragging about how "I am a famous atheist, any show would love to have me, so don't be so incompetent."

and

2) either it was TAE or the non-prophets, I cannot remember, but I think it might have been Russell Glasser who said that it was entirely -acceptable- to mutilate baby boys. He sincerely felt that as long as you're a baby, your parents have the right to mutilate you. My jaw dropped. What utter bullshit. In case you haven't guessed, yeah, I am against male circumcision too.

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And lastly, sorry for making heads explode with my elevatorgate question. I got it all sorted a few pages back with Eucliwood. In case anyone missed, I explained that I was essentially trying to give RWatson the benefit of the doubt. To be charitable. And the subtext, from what I had read, is that the the Elevator-Guy was in fact some sort of creep. I imagined him standing over her, breathing heavily on her hair, and asking for coffee, in the sleaziest way possible. Now, under -those- circumstances, her reaction would seem perfectly reasonable.

Someone made the point that where RWatson went wrong was that in assuming every woman would react the same way. In assuming that all men are all creeps all the time, and that all women are all scared and cowering, all the time. As an example, I love the show 'Citizen Radio'. But even they, imo, go a bit too far with the whole 'rape culture' thing. The woman on the show was horribly offended when a New York cabdriver (or something) made a comment that he 'loved her'. And that this was just another example of rape culture rearing its ugly head.

The way women are treated in India = rape culture. Being harassed for personal info, being groped, having upskirt pics taken = example of rape culture. A guy cat-calling or saying 'you're hot' is not rape culture, imo.[/spoiler]
Before anyone jumps on me for my thoughts about what and what doesn't constitute rape culture, please bear in mind that I try really hard to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I would like to learn from people, and to consider everyone's viewpoint, before making blanket statements. My views are -never- set in stone. I honestly just want to understand the world better!

tfoot wrote:[spoiler]RE "I bet Thunderf00t is laughing his fucking arse off at Dillahunty's attempt at a rebuttal."

actually, my jaw has just been on the floor in stunned silence! The amount of projection is amazing.
Matt also looks around a lot in the video, its kinda like he knows this is just BS spin.

Sure he banned me on twitter and YT months ago, after I made a comment about him being banned on the A+theism forums made for great drama to go with popcorn.

Now in the very video where Matt is saying how he had a bad day, so he banned a load of people then secretly regretted it later, and Im dishonest for not knowing that.... he is now going on a ban frenzy. LMAO... you cant write stuff this stupid.[/spoiler]

Pitchguest wrote:

Rystefn wrote:

rocko2466 wrote:Says the guy with red hair and glasses...

They all want to be like me when they grow up.

Speaking of which, think red would look good on my pubes?

Altair wrote:Setar and the rest of the A+ live in a made-up world where a Negative-Privilege Coefficient puts them higher in the pecking order. So they cling to anything that lowers their privilege, even if that means being strangely happy about having Social Anxiety.
And he has to milk his anxiety for everything it's worth, since he's not black, female or trans, which would put him way up there at the top of the A+ shit-riarcky with almost no effort.

ReneeHendricks wrote:Ugh. Dillahunty talking about sex parties and their rules. As someone who has been part of the "lifestyle", I really don't want to think of that man galumphing around a sex party.

justinvacula wrote:I finally got 9/9 gold challenge modes on my shaman in World of Warcraft. The armor set, as you can see, is patriarchy personified :p

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/s ... yvv/simple

http://i.imgur.com/BuTLX.jpg

tfoot wrote:RE "I bet Thunderf00t is laughing his fucking arse off at Dillahunty's attempt at a rebuttal."

actually, my jaw has just been on the floor in stunned silence! The amount of projection is amazing.
Matt also looks around a lot in the video, its kinda like he knows this is just BS spin.

Sure he banned me on twitter and YT months ago, after I made a comment about him being banned on the A+theism forums made for great drama to go with popcorn.

Now in the very video where Matt is saying how he had a bad day, so he banned a load of people then secretly regretted it later, and Im dishonest for not knowing that.... he is now going on a ban frenzy. LMAO... you cant write stuff this stupid.

I can't guarantee that no one will try to dogpile you or call you names (please remember that "fuck you" is a term of endearment to some), but if we haven't banned oolon then we won't ban you, so you can always just call them names back (:

Tony Parsehole wrote:Typical A+ comment on the Dillacunty video:

V0r4xiz 21 seconds ago

I don't get why Thunderchrist bothers in the first place. It's not like he'll ever score a girl. not even on a convention where he's actually something of a deal, haha. Joking aside. I don't agree with banning "looking hot" at a convention but if they wanna do so, fine. I'll ridicule it but it's their right to be that way. Secondly, Tfails tactics have never changed in ages. Still nit-picking and misrepresenting.

TF00t isn't hot enough to get a lady and women who look hot should be ridiculed........
Another epic win for feminism.

codelette wrote:BTW, on Thunderfoot's video (this is something my husband noticed), on the fFTB Google Hangout notice how many times Peezus kept hitting on Becka's screen...she wasn't even talking.

AbsurdWalls wrote:

Altair wrote:Setar and the rest of the A+ live in a made-up world where a Negative-Privilege Coefficient puts them higher in the pecking order. So they cling to anything that lowers their privilege, even if that means being strangely happy about having Social Anxiety.
And he has to milk his anxiety for everything it's worth, since he's not black, female or trans, which would put him way up there at the top of the A+ shit-riarcky with almost no effort.

I think Setar is genderqueer as well, no?

I wouldn't dismiss the possibility that Setar really does suffer terribly from Social Anxiety. Psychological conditions affect different people in different ways. Of course, Setar does not extend that same courtesy to other people (http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2440).

you talked a lot about fighting a battle for *others* which seems noble on its face but I have personal experience with people using that tactic as a way to bolster their personal image as an altruist while trying to verbally abuse -me.- it's a favored gaslighting technique.

Dick Strawkins wrote:http://i.imgur.com/bSJ4a.jpg

Ive figured out the problem why PZ's book has been delayed so long he's going to change the title to 'Godot'

I think deleting words ought to count for just as much as adding words

Do you think he's managed to get it down to a word count of zero?

AbsurdWalls wrote:Seeing as we're going through a wave of gaining new members, maybe someone should stick an olive branch into the non-safespace A+ forum?

sacha wrote:

franc wrote:

sacha wrote:hate to be a pedant, but Hitler was nota vegetarian

Fucking never ending fucking bullshit cunt fucking argument...

By the standards of the time, which predated today's macrobiotic, hairy legged, earth hugging, chakra balancing fucknuttery by some 80+ years, Hitler was vegetarian - vegetarianism amounted to meat avoidance, and not a mortal sin that would see you burn in hell for eternity if you so much as ate a jelly bean. There were no organic farmer's markets and cafes run year round. Food was seasonal. Bitter European winters usually necessitated some kind of cured animal or fish product as a protein staple. There was not a lot of choice in the matter.

He ate all sorts of meat, loved sausage, rarely declined meat. Yeah, that was a vegetarian by the standards of the time. Piss poor argument. Don't be daft.

and the next time you take out your frustration of the circus and direct it towards me, I will pummel you.

love you, honey

AbsurdWalls wrote:

codelette wrote:BTW, on Thunderfoot's video (this is something my husband noticed), on the fFTB Google Hangout notice how many times Peezus kept hitting on Becka's screen...she wasn't even talking.

I've never used Google Hangout, what does that mean?

sacha wrote:

Steersman wrote:

another lurker wrote: ...
BTW, could someone explain to me the other side of the story in regards to Rebecca Watson and Elevator Gate? Over the past few months I have been an infrequent reader of FTB - and I just tuned out the drama because it was stupid and did not interest me. But I would like to know. The FTBers keep saying that a guy was really creepy in the elevator, and that Rebecca Watson was like 'hey dudes, don't be creepy in elevators' and then apparently the entire blogosphere erupted with people making misogynistic death threats against Rebecca Watson because she said something so reasonable.

The thing is, what she said -is- reasonable. And the reaction to that seems way over the top. So my question is, what details, if any, are the A+ people glossing over in this episode? I cannot see the rest of the atheist community being THIS hateful and THIS misogynistic over something as non-controversial as 'hey, don't hit on chicks in confined spaces it's scary'.

Can anyone enlighten me?

Seems the counter-argument is that Watson was certainly entitled to feel uncomfortable about the experience and even entitled to say “guys, don’t do that”, but that she was essentially being egregiously autocratic for insisting, in effect, that her standards should apply to everyone else. Particularly since any number of women have indicated that they are not uncomfortable in those situations and are perfectly capable of dealing with them without turning into quivering blobs of jelly ….

YMMV ….

thank you, Steersman

Oneiros666 wrote:

AbsurdWalls wrote:Seeing as we're going through a wave of gaining new members, maybe someone should stick an olive branch into the non-safespace A+ forum?

Many people have tried. Result?

http://i.imgur.com/gOlgx.png

codelette wrote:

AbsurdWalls wrote:

codelette wrote:BTW, on Thunderfoot's video (this is something my husband noticed), on the fFTB Google Hangout notice how many times Peezus kept hitting on Becka's screen...she wasn't even talking.

I've never used Google Hangout, what does that mean?

A Google Hangout is a video chat with multiple parties at the same time. There's a main screen to focus on the current speaker and multiple smaller windows with the rest of the people.

Oneiros666 wrote:

AbsurdWalls wrote:Seeing as we're going through a wave of gaining new members, maybe someone should stick an olive branch into the non-safespace A+ forum?

Many people have tried. Result?

[spoiler]http://i.imgur.com/gOlgx.png[/spoiler]

LMU wrote: I think he was referring to the *non* safespace A+ forum, which is here: http://atheismplus.4rumer.com/

I've checked in there occasionally, but there is very little activity. I think it is dead.

AbsurdWalls wrote:Oh, I see, sorry. Myers was putting Watson on the main screen even when other people were talking. I assumed Google calculated the audio energy from each participant and then intelligently switched to whoever was most likely to be talking.

AbsurdWalls wrote:
That looks like it is from the safespace forum?

codelette wrote:

AbsurdWalls wrote:Oh, I see, sorry. Myers was putting Watson on the main screen even when other people were talking. I assumed Google calculated the audio energy from each participant and then intelligently switched to whoever was most likely to be talking.

Yep, it was kinda...how do you say?...o' yeah

Creepy.

LMU wrote:

Oneiros666 wrote:

AbsurdWalls wrote:Seeing as we're going through a wave of gaining new members, maybe someone should stick an olive branch into the non-safespace A+ forum?

Many people have tried. Result?

[spoiler]http://i.imgur.com/gOlgx.png[/spoiler]

I think he was referring to the *non* safespace A+ forum, which is here: http://atheismplus.4rumer.com/

I've checked in there occasionally, but there is very little activity. I think it is dead.

Oneiros666 wrote:

AbsurdWalls wrote:
That looks like it is from the safespace forum?

Hi :)

So sorry, didn't know there were a 'free' A+ forum; I thought you were making fun of the Aplussers beloved "safe space" (such a misleading term, it's the least safe place to post on the internet. Not only will you get banned for absolutely anything, you can get into trouble in RL since these people will go to great lengths in trying to get your docs and fuck with you if you disagree with them.

The "free" forum of A+ is pretty much dead (notice the last update date):

http://i.imgur.com/K74vM.png

Metalogic42 wrote:Haha, Will just said this about me on Skepchick:
"That person was harassing people in another thread. Telling them to stay the fuck out of my thread and then banning them if they don’t is not bullying."

I was cursed at, shouted at, and accused of being a rapist, and I was the one harassing people? *facepalm*

comslave wrote:

ReneeHendricks wrote:Ugh. Dillahunty talking about sex parties and their rules. As someone who has been part of the "lifestyle", I really don't want to think of that man galumphing around a sex party.

Must...poke...out... mind's...eye...

LMU wrote:

Metalogic42 wrote:Haha, Will just said this about me on Skepchick:
"That person was harassing people in another thread. Telling them to stay the fuck out of my thread and then banning them if they don’t is not bullying."

I was cursed at, shouted at, and accused of being a rapist, and I was the one harassing people? *facepalm*

Sounds par for the course unfortunately. If you're lucky someone will edit your comments to be things like "Bitches ain't shit!"

Guest wrote:

Tony Parsehole wrote:Typical A+ comment on the Dillacunty video:

V0r4xiz 21 seconds ago

I don't get why Thunderchrist bothers in the first place. It's not like he'll ever score a girl. not even on a convention where he's actually something of a deal, haha. Joking aside. I don't agree with banning "looking hot" at a convention but if they wanna do so, fine. I'll ridicule it but it's their right to be that way. Secondly, Tfails tactics have never changed in ages. Still nit-picking and misrepresenting.

TF00t isn't hot enough to get a lady and women who look hot should be ridiculed........
Another epic win for feminism.

I'm guessing this person didn't know about the woman who was originally featured in his "MISOGYNIST!!!" blog post at FtB. Another thing is, IIRC he had a fling with FactVsReligion several years ago.

Metalogic42 wrote:

Za-zen wrote:Hensley on twitter has blamed "mra infiltration" of the atheist movement for the push back she and the other ideologues have recieved. Seriously Hensley, MRA infiltration?! Are you a total whackjob?

ReneeHendricks wrote:Ugh. Dillahunty talking about sex parties and their rules. As someone who has been part of the "lifestyle", I really don't want to think of that man galumphing around a sex party.

welch wrote:Why is it that "sex positive" people are the most likely to shame someone for their (lack of) sex lives?

Gefan wrote:

ReneeHendricks wrote:Ugh. Dillahunty talking about sex parties and their rules. As someone who has been part of the "lifestyle", I really don't want to think of that man galumphing around a sex party.

Speaking from the same perspective, I think everyone at a party would experience attraction to Matt.

I am speaking of gravitational pull, of course.

If you continue on like this without regarding the substance of the arguments put down here, I will be able to draw no conclusion other than that you are here simply to uncritically repeat your talking points. If you are unwilling to engage in honest, good-faith conversation, you will be given a vacation from the forums.

Struth wrote:I think the Google Hangout video is determined by google, not Pee Zed. In other words, it's automatic.

LMU wrote: Thanks to Lsuoma we have very helpful spoiler tags! That way people can leave the quotes for those who are curious, and everyone else doesn't have to scroll so far. I haven't checked but do we still have the three nested quotes limit?

Metalogic42 wrote:[spoiler]

LMU wrote:

Metalogic42 wrote:Haha, Will just said this about me on Skepchick:
"That person was harassing people in another thread. Telling them to stay the fuck out of my thread and then banning them if they don’t is not bullying."

I was cursed at, shouted at, and accused of being a rapist, and I was the one harassing people? *facepalm*

Sounds par for the course unfortunately. If you're lucky someone will edit your comments to be things like "Bitches ain't shit!"

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Ha, that happened to me somewhere else once (fuck if I can find the link now). I was the "most disappointed dudebro!!!", cause I dared to suggest that the phrase "wife aggro" wasn't a big deal.

Al Stefanelli wrote:http://wcoa.info/iaosp.jpg

Video interface and quality: While you’re in a hangout, whoever has the dominant voice will enter the large main video window, and all the other video broadcasts will appear in smaller video stream windows at the bottom. This arrangement, of course, assumes that every hangout will remain civil. If two people speak at the same time, with nearly equal tone and volume, Google Hangouts still chooses one to be front and center in the chat. Regardless, members of the hangout can manually adjust the layout by clicking on any of the smaller video broadcasts to see that stream in the largest window instead.

Lsuoma wrote:

LMU wrote: Thanks to Lsuoma we have very helpful spoiler tags! That way people can leave the quotes for those who are curious, and everyone else doesn't have to scroll so far. I haven't checked but do we still have the three nested quotes limit?

That limit has gone.

another lurker wrote:

you talked a lot about fighting a battle for *others* which seems noble on its face but I have personal experience with people using that tactic as a way to bolster their personal image as an altruist while trying to verbally abuse -me.- it's a favored gaslighting technique.

rayshul wrote:I quite liked the Napier approach, seemed practical to me on the point of sati:

'You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours.

I'm not terrifically diplomatic.

codelette wrote:

Altair wrote: That's because you are a normal person who has a normal worldview. Setar and the rest of the A+ live in a made-up world where a Negative-Privilege Coefficient puts them higher in the pecking order. So they cling to anything that lowers their privilege, even if that means being strangely happy about having Social Anxiety.
And he has to milk his anxiety for everything it's worth, since he's not black, female or trans, which would put him way up there at the top of the A+ shit-riarcky with almost no effort.

I have to thank my parents for my upbringing. They went to tuff shit growing up and taught us to be self-reliant and responsible people.