Periodic Table of Swearing

[Mykeru]

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Is it just me but all of these guys/girls look soft. Their faces aren't interesting.

They look as though the only real world issues they face is fighting with their Mother to take out the garbage.

I've notice the same trend from this douche through Submor's avatar which all leads to the inevitable P.Z. Myers frumpy-dumpy look. All this neck-bearding can be avoided with a few simple items:

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The brush is beaver but not the expensive beaver. It's more from the beaver's ass. That may sound sketchy but trust me, better the brush looking like a beaver's ass than your face. This brushy beaver's ass should not, of course, be mistaken for the Beaver's Ass who gives nonsensical speeches on how trolls were mean to her. Shaving soap lasts forever and the razor, well, that's the big investment, but you can get a decent stainless steel for under $100 USD. The other accouterments are also necessary because, judging from the SWJ's personal hygiene, anything but very closely cut nails will cause them to walk around with fingers totally smelling like ass.

Just saying.

Of course, it helps to do it every day, but you don't have to. The trick is, through shaving, personal grooming and adequate diet an exercise not to walk around with your neck looking like a fucking scrotum. Again, refer to P.Z. Meyers to see the logical conclusion of poor habits.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... nmyers.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/b0uPW.jpg

That is, without a doubt, the best and most concise flow diagram of how the A+/FTB/SCK triad works.

i agree prudence is key. but after detailing, i'd check the wives, daughters, and small animals first. sometimes us coloreds don't steal shit. sometimes we hide shit inside special places.

Exactly. That's why, when I fly, I insist when the captain walks the aircraft doing a visual check, so he makes sure there isn't some babbling little brown person hugging the landing gear. I can understand not being able to see enough hubcaps when the day labor work is slow outside Home Depot, but since they tend to asphyxiate and freeze up there, you can never be sure the landing slope is over the "right" kind of neighborhood for them to drop in.

[WoolyBumblebee]

Yeah my beef with some of the various MRA movements as well is that they are really born out of Gender Feminism concepts, and as such tend to be flawed as well. That said, I do think that as a whole MRA-ism (weird word but whatever) is getting better, while Feminism is getting worse, unfortunately. But this is my memory of things going a way back, and things have changed a lot over the last year or two.

Predictions for the next year: It's the same prediction I make everywhere. There's going to be a bit of a spotlight...not a hugely bright one but it'll get people's attention...on these issues, and it's not going to be pretty. I think people are going to get increasingly fed up with the antics of all the various Social Justice Warrior groups (A+ is one of them, even if many of them don't even realize it), and there's going to be a bit of a shock as they realize that it's not just a small bunch of miscontented trolls, but it's that people who think that their brand of "social justice" is fail.

I personally don't like feminism because it blames the entire other gender for all its ills and refuses to admit that the same ills of a patriarchal society also negatively affect that other gender, but I look at MRA sites and they do the very same thing, refusing to acknowledge women's struggles and putting all the blame on the other gender. It's like looking at a mirror.

Actually, that is not true. The MRM advocates for ALL people, not just women, and do not blame women for all men's ills. We acknowledge real struggles of ALL people, regardless of gender. It's not a movement only about men. True MRA's know and acknowledge this without any issues.

[SkepticalCat]

Wow, there is a thread at Atheism+ forums entitled "Are the moderators here censorious, capricious, and biased?" which has 1100 (one-thousand one hundred messages). :lol:

[Mykeru]

Actually, that is not true. The MRM advocates for ALL people, not just women, and do not blame women for all men's ills.

Cue XKCD on superficial agnosticism.

This is the same lazy false equivalency approach used by theists in their "atheism is just as much a region/requires faith" arguments.

The assumption is that all things in some sort of conflict, or on opposite poles of a continuum, must therefore be mirror images of each other.

Horseshit.

[decius]

Actually, that is not true. The MRM advocates for ALL people, not just women, and do not blame women for all men's ills. We acknowledge real struggles of ALL people, regardless of gender. It's not a movement only about men. True MRA's know and acknowledge this without any issues.

Well, then you guys suck big time at marketing and branding. Or, you're full of shit.

[Mykeru]

Actually, that is not true. The MRM advocates for ALL people, not just women, and do not blame women for all men's ills. We acknowledge real struggles of ALL people, regardless of gender. It's not a movement only about men. True MRA's know and acknowledge this without any issues.

Well, then you guys suck big time at marketing and branding. Or, you're full of shit.

Ah, "marketing and branding". I'll bring that up at the next board meeting. The MRM is so monolithic and centralized, I can't imagine why no one thought of it before.

[ikonografer]

"Ikonographer can enjoy this, can't he? I mean all those vowel-endy languages like Spanish, Portugeuse and Italian are the same, right?"

uh....i'm learning to understand the trogs here, no time for Portuguese. and uh....it's "Portuguese", not uh...whatever it was that u typed. just sayin', if ur gonna live in an English speaking country....you know....knowing the language, uh....yeah, that's a good thing. 8-) :snooty:

[Gumby]

Wow, there is a thread at Atheism+ forums entitled "Are the moderators here censorious, capricious, and biased?" which has 1100 (one-thousand one hundred messages). :lol:

I just read the tail end of that the other day. Llewlellyn was taking a lot of flak for not applying mod powers fairly (failing to moderate his friends as severely as everyone else), and he just gave the usual response "Your concern is noted". It's hilarious.

They're eating themselves alive over there. I'm surprised McBoobquake hasn't just erased the whole embarrassing mess.

That reminds me - is it possible to archive a whole site easily? If Jen tries to memory-hole the A+ forum and pretend it never existed, it would be nice to have a whole copy to prove otherwise. I know about the Wayback Machine but it's usually never complete.

[WoolyBumblebee]

Actually, that is not true. The MRM advocates for ALL people, not just women, and do not blame women for all men's ills. We acknowledge real struggles of ALL people, regardless of gender. It's not a movement only about men. True MRA's know and acknowledge this without any issues.

Well, then you guys suck big time at marketing and branding. Or, you're full of shit.

Or you just don't know enough about the MRM. I know that what I do as an MRA does more good than any of those vapid FTB, A+ feminist assholes any day. And I am not ashamed or afraid to say I am an MRA just because people don't fully understand the MRM.

[ReneeHendricks]

This is *priceless*:

http://beliefblower.com/pix/nolight.JPG

1st, I'm Noel's "tag- team buddy" - brilliant! 2nd, yet another FfTBer that clearly did not understand a statement I made about *some jobs* in the military not being suited for *some* women. But obviously that really means that I think all the womenz should be "at home playing house". I'm convinced many of these loons have tiny little atrophied brains screaming out for sustenance.

[decius]

Ah, "marketing and branding". I'll bring that up at the next board meeting. The MRM is so monolithic and centralized, I can't imagine why no one thought of it before.

I have no idea how that organisation works. But you really have an image problem, if egalitarianism truly is its goal. It's never too late to fix it, mind you. Then again, I'm an equal opportunity special-interest-groups basher - all so predictable, narcissistic and parochial. So, here's my bias. Make of it what you want.

[welch]

Look out Al. Someone is going to have a talk with you. Zir will be cheekily wearing an A+ scurvyramic.

OK, that's Laura Ross. She's a local graphic designer and a member of the Atlanta Freethought Society. Yes, I know who she is. She runs the Flyswatter podcast and writes some for the Atlanta Freethought Society's newsletter. I've given a few lectures in their Freethought Hall and from what I remember, she's a decent gal. I've not seen her in about a year, though.

When I was the Georgia State Director of American Atheists, I joined about a dozen local Freethought groups and visited them in my travels. The President of the AFS is a friend of mine, and I just saw him at a Winter Solstice Party. He doesn't seem to give a fuck about the goings on withing social networking.

Whatever, if I see her in town, I'll be glad to chat with her and explain the truth about things...

She may even listen.

[welch]

Soon breakfast cereal will be misogyny.

I'll go back to eating cereal when that happens. :D

Well now we bring it up... how come Cap'n Crunch is a man? Is it because women can't be Captains? IS THAT IT, PATRIARCHY!?!?!?!??!

Capn Crunch. Tony the Tiger. Toucan Sam. Trix Rabbit. Lucky the Leprechaun. Sonny the Cocoa Puffs bird. Count Chocula. Frankenberry. Snap, Crackle, and Pop. Dig’Em the Frog. Buzz...

Breakfast cereal is a guy thing!!!

after what he did to crunchberries, Cap'n Crunch is dead to me.

[welch]

wait, where did this happen?

https://thunderf00tdotorg.wordpress.com ... less-crap/

Apparently, on their secret backchannel one month after TF being kicked out (which TF had snuck back into at the time), someone said:

Plus, TF had more hits than ten of our bloggers today. Please tell me he is not getting paid for them. And that we are divvying up his spoils.

To this Ed responded:

I haven’t even given any thought to the point at which I would stop paying him. The blog was killed on July 1. I could call that the end or pay him for hits in July, which were not unsubstantial. Or at this point I could just tell him to go fuck himself

oh THAT I knew about. I thought he'd published the emails.

[decius]

Or you just don't know enough about the MRM. I know that what I do as an MRA does more good than any of those vapid FTB, A+ feminist assholes any day. And I am not ashamed or afraid to say I am an MRA just because people don't fully understand the MRM.

You're right, I don't know much and don't particularly care. But even if you are being truthful, your branding problem still persists.

[welch]

"Ikonographer can enjoy this, can't he? I mean all those vowel-endy languages like Spanish, Portugeuse and Italian are the same, right?"

uh....i'm learning to understand the trogs here, no time for Portuguese. and uh....it's "Portuguese", not uh...whatever it was that u typed. just sayin', if ur gonna live in an English speaking country....you know....knowing the language, uh....yeah, that's a good thing. 8-) :snooty:

If you assume sarcasm, you tend to do better :-P

[Gumby]

This is *priceless*:

http://beliefblower.com/pix/nolight.JPG

1st, I'm Noel's "tag- team buddy" - brilliant! 2nd, yet another FfTBer that clearly did not understand a statement I made about *some jobs* in the military not being suited for *some* women. But obviously that really means that I think all the womenz should be "at home playing house". I'm convinced many of these loons have tiny little atrophied brains screaming out for sustenance.

Yup, the standard tactic. They know none of their own arguments have any merit, so they must twist what their critics say in order to devalue their opinions and demonize them. Their portrayal of their critics as ogres is the only available means they have to cast themselves in any possible good light.

Too bad for them more and more people are seeing through this bullshit tactic every day.

[welch]

This is *priceless*:

http://beliefblower.com/pix/nolight.JPG

1st, I'm Noel's "tag- team buddy" - brilliant! 2nd, yet another FfTBer that clearly did not understand a statement I made about *some jobs* in the military not being suited for *some* women. But obviously that really means that I think all the womenz should be "at home playing house". I'm convinced many of these loons have tiny little atrophied brains screaming out for sustenance.

The best answer for that kind of twat:

"Tell me about your experiences in the military, and how they disprove mine."

with that crowd, you've just forced them to tie the goalposts to a rocket, they have to move them so fast. It's pretty awesome to watch.

It's like when some NRA tit accuses me of being anti-gun, and I start talking about how I like to hunt, and butcher my kills. They leave a flame trail, they have to switch gears so fast.

[Gumby]

Also, I assume by "Jimmy Noplums" the poster was referring to Noelplum99? And if so, wouldn't "Noplums" be considered a sexist comment AND a dirty twisting of someone else's name... two things that are verboten in Peezus Land? :naughty:

[Mykeru]

You're right, I don't know much and don't particularly care.

I agree with the first two statements, but the third is kind of belied by your posting.

[ReneeHendricks]

This is *priceless*:

http://beliefblower.com/pix/nolight.JPG

1st, I'm Noel's "tag- team buddy" - brilliant! 2nd, yet another FfTBer that clearly did not understand a statement I made about *some jobs* in the military not being suited for *some* women. But obviously that really means that I think all the womenz should be "at home playing house". I'm convinced many of these loons have tiny little atrophied brains screaming out for sustenance.

Yup, the standard tactic. They know none of their own arguments have any merit, so they must twist what their critics say in order to devalue their opinions and demonize them. Their portrayal of their critics as ogres is the only available means they have to cast themselves in any possible good light.

Too bad for them more and more people are seeing through this bullshit tactic every day.

The truly stupid part of his/her comment is that he/she obviously wasn't reading/listening when I said the very job I had in the military was one that a lot of women were not able to get once training started. I even gave the exact reasons for it. I think what might have occurred is his/her atrophied brain went into data overload and shorted out his/her mad reasoning skillz

[ReneeHendricks]

Also, I assume by "Jimmy Noplums" the poster was referring to Noelplum99? And if so, wouldn't "Noplums" be considered a sexist comment AND a dirty twisting of someone else's name... two things that are verboten in Peezus Land? :naughty:

That's chatted about but it seems it's ok when they do it.

[Gumby]

The truly stupid part of his/her comment is that he/she obviously wasn't reading/listening when I said the very job I had in the military was one that a lot of women were not able to get once training started. I even gave the exact reasons for it. I think what might have occurred is his/her atrophied brain went into data overload and shorted out his/her mad reasoning skillz

S/h/it probably never even read your original words on the subject; they probably on read what other FtBers lied about what you said. No need for fact-checking or critical thought, because "my Pharyngula buds told me what Renee said and meant!"

[decius]

You're right, I don't know much and don't particularly care.

I agree with the first two statements, but the third is kind of belied by your posting.

Since we have been treated to a large deal of MRA propaganda, lately, forgive me for being mildly critical in return. Should I read from the "movement's" breviary, instead?

[CommanderTuvok]

I was talking about the Baboons, what they are and who they are, to someone not particulary involved. It was hard work!

Anyway, when I mentioned Stephanie Zvan, he confused her with that Los Angeles cop, Stephanie Lazarus, who was busted for murder earlier this year. I had to correct him, and inform him that he was tarring the name of Lazarus with such a comparison.

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/502830/thumbs ... rge570.jpg
Stephanie Lazarus

http://events.skepchick.org/files/2011/ ... e-zvan.jpg
Stephanie Zvan

One of the above is a nasty, vindictive, untrustworthy liar. The other is Stephanie Lazarus!

[Gumby]

Also, I assume by "Jimmy Noplums" the poster was referring to Noelplum99? And if so, wouldn't "Noplums" be considered a sexist comment AND a dirty twisting of someone else's name... two things that are verboten in Peezus Land? :naughty:

That's chatted about but it seems it's ok when they do it.

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[Tkmlac]

Oh what a difference a few years makes:

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006 ... -comments/

"I’m not at all keen on this. It makes the comments a very hostile place to new people (I like seeing new people here, don’t you?) and if it keeps up all we’re going to have left are the twitchiest, most psychopathic contributors. To encourage a little more restraint, I’m going to ask everyone to voluntarily impose a 3 comment rule on themselves. What that means is that if someone comes along and says something, no matter how outrageous, engage them in polite conversation first, give them a chance to clarify and expand on the idea, and then if it’s still utterly insane, you can cut loose."

Mind=blown. I used to really like PZ. I was a full supporter of him when he moved from SB because he was worried NatGeo would restrict content due to advertisers. How much has changed in a year, now that the network is beholden to Surlyramics. This, though...wow. He's like the good doctor turned mad scientist in comic books.

[EdgePenguin]

I personally don't like feminism because it blames the entire other gender for all its ills and refuses to admit that the same ills of a patriarchal society also negatively affect that other gender, but I look at MRA sites and they do the very same thing, refusing to acknowledge women's struggles and putting all the blame on the other gender. It's like looking at a mirror.

Actually, that is not true. The MRM advocates for ALL people, not just women, and do not blame women for all men's ills. We acknowledge real struggles of ALL people, regardless of gender. It's not a movement only about men. True MRA's know and acknowledge this without any issues.

The bolded part is precisely what feminists say (genders reversed obviously)

I've nothing against MRAs (nor feminists per se, so long as they aren't the radfem lunatics you find at FtB etc.) but the idea of approaching social activism from either genders point of view is not very appealing to me peronsally. I suppose I'm a humanist.

[welch]

The truly stupid part of his/her comment is that he/she obviously wasn't reading/listening when I said the very job I had in the military was one that a lot of women were not able to get once training started. I even gave the exact reasons for it. I think what might have occurred is his/her atrophied brain went into data overload and shorted out his/her mad reasoning skillz

S/h/it probably never even read your original words on the subject; they probably on read what other FtBers lied about what you said. No need for fact-checking or critical thought, because "my Pharyngula buds told me what Renee said and meant!"

Pretty much. Once you say anything other than WIMMEN ARE BETTERERERERER", that type stops listening. It's funny, given you were DOING that job, but just saying, it's not one you saw a lot of women doing, and gave actual reasons.

[BarnOwl]

Of course, it helps to do it every day, but you don't have to. The trick is, through shaving, personal grooming and adequate diet an exercise not to walk around with your neck looking like a fucking scrotum. Again, refer to P.Z. Meyers to see the logical conclusion of poor habits.

Attention to personal grooming and clothing is frowned upon in many academic circles, and this attitude often extends to diet and exercise. "You're not serious about science." "You should focus all of your attention on intellectual pursuits." Etc. I don't think it's peculiar to US academia, though it was (and still is) particularly deeply entrenched at the university, and in the department, where Myers got his Ph.D. (as did I). I remember getting blasted on several occasions for getting regular, decent haircuts in grad school - my hair is quite curly and there's a lot of it, so I thought it was reasonable to spend some time and money getting it cut. Apparently not. I also got roundly criticized for "wasting time" swimming laps and playing city league soccer. Vain, not serious, shallow, vain.

The environment is better at a medical school, but now I feel like a complete slob, in comparison to my MD colleagues. I'm also a middle-aged woman who still isn't clear on the concept of proper use and application of makeup.

Apologies for the academsplainin'.

[Scented Nectar]

From my seat witch of the year was thunderfoot. They gave him a tent in their backyard, he shit on the lawn, told them they were talking bollocks, when most bloggers were trying to placate them. Then roundly buttfucked the silverback when he ventured out of his compound, so much so that he's locked himself in and refuses to acknowledge that anyone outside of his compound are the "atheist movement".

Thunderfoor publishing the going-ons of the mailing list was a pretty shitty thing to do, though. I'm not saying it's Gren bin Laden-level shit but it's not far, and seeing all that crap unfold made me wince a number of times. Definitely no high road taken, there.

He did that to expose two things. One was that a friend of his was being plotted against, and two, they admitted there that they weren't going to pay TF any remaining $ from his posts, blatantly stealing from him just because they didn't like him anymore. Those two things totally justified revealing the proof of it, in my view.

wait, where did this happen?

On the back channel (which is an email list, I think), while they thought TF had no access. They forgot to actually restrict him properly, so when he clicked the original back channel welcome email, the system let him in to lurk. He didn't reveal anything though, until they both threatened to do something bad to a friend of his, and also Ed was saying there, that instead of giving TF any money that his articles there brought in, that they might keep the 'not insubstantial amount' instead. The story and some excerpts from the back channel backstabbing are in these:

http://thunderf00tdotorg.wordpress.com/ ... -a-pariah/

http://thunderf00tdotorg.wordpress.com/ ... less-crap/

[Gumby]

Oh what a difference a few years makes:

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006 ... -comments/

"I’m not at all keen on this. It makes the comments a very hostile place to new people (I like seeing new people here, don’t you?) and if it keeps up all we’re going to have left are the twitchiest, most psychopathic contributors. To encourage a little more restraint, I’m going to ask everyone to voluntarily impose a 3 comment rule on themselves. What that means is that if someone comes along and says something, no matter how outrageous, engage them in polite conversation first, give them a chance to clarify and expand on the idea, and then if it’s still utterly insane, you can cut loose."

Mind=blown. I used to really like PZ. I was a full supporter of him when he moved from SB because he was worried NatGeo would restrict content due to advertisers. How much has changed in a year, now that the network is beholden to Surlyramics. This, though...wow. He's like the good doctor turned mad scientist in comic books.

Churches always say "All are welcome", but in reality that is rarely the case.

[Tony Parsehole]

Oh what a difference a few years makes:

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006 ... -comments/

"I’m not at all keen on this. It makes the comments a very hostile place to new people (I like seeing new people here, don’t you?) and if it keeps up all we’re going to have left are the twitchiest, most psychopathic contributors. To encourage a little more restraint, I’m going to ask everyone to voluntarily impose a 3 comment rule on themselves. What that means is that if someone comes along and says something, no matter how outrageous, engage them in polite conversation first, give them a chance to clarify and expand on the idea, and then if it’s still utterly insane, you can cut loose."

Good catch.

[decius]

I've nothing against MRAs (nor feminists per se, so long as they aren't the radfem lunatics you find at FtB etc.) but the idea of approaching social activism from either genders point of view is not very appealing to me peronsally.

Ditto.

[BarnOwl]

Speaking of judgmental Academistan, Comradde PhysioDouche is still trying to blow an aneurysm over his iPad:

This fucken piece of shitte doesn’t have any general method for dealing with documents other than photos and videos, such as attaching them to e-mails or uploading them via Web forms. These fucken iPad designers obviously are targeting this fucken thinge to goddamn motherfucken teenagers for sexting each other their pimply asses and to goddamn motherfucken parents for harrassing the Internet with pictures and movies of their hideous children, and not to real adults to use for doing any real work.

Why the fucke did you buy itte then, Real Scientiste with Real Worke to Do??

:lol:

[JackRayner]

I guess you can say patriarchy...

*puts on sunglasses*

is a real cereal killer.

YEEEAHHH!

:lol:

[WoolyBumblebee]

Also, I assume by "Jimmy Noplums" the poster was referring to Noelplum99? And if so, wouldn't "Noplums" be considered a sexist comment AND a dirty twisting of someone else's name... two things that are verboten in Peezus Land? :naughty:

That's chatted about but it seems it's ok when they do it.

Everything is ok when they do it. The rules of the universe do not apply to FfTB ;)

[WoolyBumblebee]

You're right, I don't know much and don't particularly care.

I agree with the first two statements, but the third is kind of belied by your posting.

Since we have been treated to a large deal of MRA propaganda, lately, forgive me for being mildly critical in return. Should I read from the "movement's" breviary, instead?

Propaganda? Where was the propaganda?

Ugh, I am done with this discussion. Moving on...

[somedumbguy]

anyone anti-FtB = slymepitter is the delusion they need to perpetuate. They need to believe the only people against them are slymepitters because of the delusion that the pit is comprised of less than a handful of people (the rest are sockpuppets). Such a small number of people cannot possibly be a threat to their "empire". Delusions of grandeur are what fuels them.

Thanks to 2cow, all of those people who are anti-Baboon, but were not willing to be associated with, or connected to the pit, suddenly have no reason to distance themselves. As soon as I read that statement from Brayton, I knew that we would see a significant increase in the amount of first time commenters, and a significant increase in the amount of registered members.

Brayton shattered the narrow lens they were using, and what appeared to be no more than five people is proven to be distorted perspective now that the the panorama is visible.

yes, welcome to the pit.

It seems like getting his sternum cracked gave Ed a case of the YOLOs. Trouble is, most places have a designated adult in the home office; sites like fark and somethingawful, where the proprietors are as derpy as their communities, are unusual. If Ed gets name recognition as a player in nickel and dime dramas, he might find his One Life includes ramen dinners and arrears on the mortgage. It'd be a shame (*snerk*) if ads for Zicam and Miracle Spring Water became too good for FTB to pass up.

I have to take exception. FARK is one of the least derpiest places around, the proprieter is as derpy as the community, because taken as a whole, the community is not derpy at all, and consists of a lot of people, that put together, are frankly, a shit load smarter, more astute, far more skeptical, far more rational, far more insightful, far more supportive, far funnier, and a shitload nicer than any of the people I have "met" online that associate with organized atheism.

Sure there are trolls, there are bigots, and there are SJW, but day after day for more than ten years, these assholes are able to communicate with each other, debate, and often strip bare the bullshit presented by media, by current events, and by web drama. They argue. They leave some threads totally pissed off. And other threads having come to agreement. And they do it again, repeatedly. For the most part, apart from snark on their threads, they leave the rest of the world alone. They don't run raids. They don''t claim to be superior. And they have often raised money for those that need it.

FARK has had its ups and down, but by and large, it is a very non derpy community.

Sigh. I can't quit that place.

[mikelf]

... also Ed was saying there, that instead of giving TF any money that his articles there brought in, that they might keep the 'not insubstantial amount' instead.

This has mildly annoyed me for a while, so let's be clear here. Ed said "I could call that the end or pay him for hits in July, which were not unsubstantial." It was the hits that were not unsubstantial, not (necessarily) the money.

[Tony Parsehole]

Speaking of judgmental Academistan, Comradde PhysioDouche is still trying to blow an aneurysm over his iPad:

This fucken piece of shitte doesn’t have any general method for dealing with documents other than photos and videos, such as attaching them to e-mails or uploading them via Web forms. These fucken iPad designers obviously are targeting this fucken thinge to goddamn motherfucken teenagers for sexting each other their pimply asses and to goddamn motherfucken parents for harrassing the Internet with pictures and movies of their hideous children, and not to real adults to use for doing any real work.

Why the fucke did you buy itte then, Real Scientiste with Real Worke to Do??

:lol:

You beat me to it. Looks like Phsyiowank didn't apply scepticism before he bought his iPad and just went along with the cool kidz.

I love the realistation that ipad designers are "targeting this fucken thinge to goddamn motherfucken teenagers...". You just worked that out did you Physiowank? News just in! Apple markets products to teenagers!

[decius]

You're right, I don't know much and don't particularly care.

I agree with the first two statements, but the third is kind of belied by your posting.

Since we have been treated to a large deal of MRA propaganda, lately, forgive me for being mildly critical in return. Should I read from the "movement's" breviary, instead?

Propaganda? Where was the propaganda?

Ugh, I am done with this discussion. Moving on...

I wasn't referring specifically to you. I guess you haven't been around much, if you haven't seen the propaganda and the apologetics. If you can't recognise it as such, that's another matter.

[welch]

Speaking of judgmental Academistan, Comradde PhysioDouche is still trying to blow an aneurysm over his iPad:

This fucken piece of shitte doesn’t have any general method for dealing with documents other than photos and videos, such as attaching them to e-mails or uploading them via Web forms. These fucken iPad designers obviously are targeting this fucken thinge to goddamn motherfucken teenagers for sexting each other their pimply asses and to goddamn motherfucken parents for harrassing the Internet with pictures and movies of their hideous children, and not to real adults to use for doing any real work.

Why the fucke did you buy itte then, Real Scientiste with Real Worke to Do??

:lol:

he's an idiot. I'd attach a lovely pages document to an email proving him to be an idiot, but it would be redundant.

[somedumbguy]

A few points...

1) I thought Fat Eddie was recovering from heart surgery or something?

They keep using that word, 'heart'.

They only cathetized his heart to make sure there were no blockages. There were none. His heart was fine, a little thickening of the walls was all.

However, he did have open CHEST surgery. That's bad, but not nearly as bad as open HEART surgery.

They drained some liquid that had built up in his chest area (the cause of his chest pain) and they looked at some of his lymph nodes.

So, to sum up, everyone is calling it open heart surgery, and Ed is not correcting them, since open heart surgery gets a LOT more 'poor me' cred than 'your heart's fine but you need open chest surgery just to drain liquid buildup' does.

That is interesting, because I have had both heart catheterization and open heart surgery, and I've been caught wondering how Ed, just a day or two after open heart surgery is able to spend this much time at a keyboard, or willing to spend any time in the drama at FtB. But I've also had heart catheterization and depending on a variety of factors, that's a couple of hours to recover in a hospital bed, then discharge and go home. (Though to be honest, I did spend one night one time after a heart cath in a hospital bed in a relatively empty hospital in the middle of the nastiest thunderstorm in the city in years, and that was actually quite fun and somewhat Halloween-like.)

[welch]

Speaking of judgmental Academistan, Comradde PhysioDouche is still trying to blow an aneurysm over his iPad:

This fucken piece of shitte doesn’t have any general method for dealing with documents other than photos and videos, such as attaching them to e-mails or uploading them via Web forms. These fucken iPad designers obviously are targeting this fucken thinge to goddamn motherfucken teenagers for sexting each other their pimply asses and to goddamn motherfucken parents for harrassing the Internet with pictures and movies of their hideous children, and not to real adults to use for doing any real work.

Why the fucke did you buy itte then, Real Scientiste with Real Worke to Do??

:lol:

You beat me to it. Looks like Phsyiowank didn't apply scepticism before he bought his iPad and just went along with the cool kidz.

I love the realistation that ipad designers are "targeting this fucken thinge to goddamn motherfucken teenagers...". You just worked that out did you Physiowank? News just in! Apple markets products to teenagers!

or sysadmins. It's a rather handy tool for running a network, especially now that HP and Cisco have gotten off that Java kick. But, just like driving a truck requires different skills than riding a skateboard, you have to learn how the iPad actually works to use it well. Just like you have to learn at least a minimum of how OS X/Windows/Linux work to use THOSE platforms well. You don't have to be a sysadmin by any means, but you have to learn *something*.

Douchioproffe is like a lot of people with PhDs, and not good with learning new tricks.

[Eucliwood]

Or you just don't know enough about the MRM. I know that what I do as an MRA does more good than any of those vapid FTB, A+ feminist assholes any day. And I am not ashamed or afraid to say I am an MRA just because people don't fully understand the MRM.

You're right, I don't know much and don't particularly care. But even if you are being truthful, your branding problem still persists.

If by branding problem you mean calling oneself an MRA yeah I'd rather go with a different label.. to my knowledge, there is a specific movement called men's rights movement because these issues usually aren't thought of when someone thinks "civil issues." I had to do some sort of project where we chose a civil issue and acted like we were writing about it in the year 2026 or something like that. The suggestions were LGBT, racial minorities, and women, but not men for example. I wrote mine about men's social issues and got an A and a nice compliment from the teacher.

I'd suggest going more general or going more specific, actually. (For example - titling something "equal parental rights" "abuse recognition" "false allegations abuse", "divorce issues", etc, rather than going under the umbrella of men's rights).

But one could be an egalitarian that dips ones hand in the MRM a variety of movements all at once.

[Eucliwood]

And yeah, from what I have seen, the MRM itself is not a monolith, but the more extreme side of it is very very tight. No room for variance.

[Tigzy]

Mind=blown. I used to really like PZ. I was a full supporter of him when he moved from SB because he was worried NatGeo would restrict content due to advertisers. How much has changed in a year, now that the network is beholden to Surlyramics. This, though...wow. He's like the good doctor turned mad scientist in comic books.

Going back to what Ed said about $urly being an advertiser at FTB - I've never actually seen an ad on FTB for Amy's particular brand of novelty cowchips. I could have missed it, though - so I'm wondering: has anyone here seen a Surlyramics(tm) ad on FTB?

[Tkmlac]

Speaking of judgmental Academistan, Comradde PhysioDouche is still trying to blow an aneurysm over his iPad:

This fucken piece of shitte doesn’t have any general method for dealing with documents other than photos and videos, such as attaching them to e-mails or uploading them via Web forms. These fucken iPad designers obviously are targeting this fucken thinge to goddamn motherfucken teenagers for sexting each other their pimply asses and to goddamn motherfucken parents for harrassing the Internet with pictures and movies of their hideous children, and not to real adults to use for doing any real work.

Why the fucke did you buy itte then, Real Scientiste with Real Worke to Do??

:lol:

You beat me to it. Looks like Phsyiowank didn't apply scepticism before he bought his iPad and just went along with the cool kidz.

I love the realistation that ipad designers are "targeting this fucken thinge to goddamn motherfucken teenagers...". You just worked that out did you Physiowank? News just in! Apple markets products to teenagers!

http://i.imgur.com/1LGAY.jpg

[Scented Nectar]

... also Ed was saying there, that instead of giving TF any money that his articles there brought in, that they might keep the 'not insubstantial amount' instead.

This has mildly annoyed me for a while, so let's be clear here. Ed said "I could call that the end or pay him for hits in July, which were not unsubstantial." It was the hits that were not unsubstantial, not (necessarily) the money.

The topic was the money, not hits. Ed's comment was preceded by “Plus, TF had more hits than ten of our bloggers today. Please tell me he is not getting paid for them. And that we are divvying up his spoils.”

To which Ed said: “I haven’t even given any thought to the point at which I would stop paying him. The blog was killed on July 1. I could call that the end or pay him for hits in July, which were not unsubstantial. Or at this point I could just tell him to go fuck himself.”

[decius]

If by branding problem you mean calling oneself an MRA yeah I'd rather go with a different label..
I'd suggest going more general or going more specific, actually. (For example - titling something "equal parental rights" "abuse recognition" "false allegations abuse", "divorce issues", etc, rather than going under the umbrella of men's rights).

Indeed.

Also, I deeply resent when a group purports to represent, or speak for, an entire demographics in the absence of a mandate. Which is precisely what feminists do.

[Tkmlac]

Mind=blown. I used to really like PZ. I was a full supporter of him when he moved from SB because he was worried NatGeo would restrict content due to advertisers. How much has changed in a year, now that the network is beholden to Surlyramics. This, though...wow. He's like the good doctor turned mad scientist in comic books.

Going back to what Ed said about $urly being an advertiser at FTB - I've never actually seen an ad on FTB for Amy's particular brand of novelty cowchips. I could have missed it, though - so I'm wondering: has anyone here seen a Surlyramics(tm) ad on FTB?

I visit FtB maybe once or twice a month, mostly when directed by something on here or on twitter when they start stirring up shit. I have adblocker on. If it turned out Ed said to Tfoot that he was pissing off an advertiser that's not even really an advertiser, I wouldn't be surprised.

[somedumbguy]

I think the word itself is funny, no more, no less. The concept behind it, though, as described by Wooly's quotes, is to me very similar to what the PitGirls are accused of.

defined as a man with an "extreme need to seek approval from females to the point of eradicating his own self and becoming a servant eunuch."

Sorry, but that sounds way too familiar to me now.

I'd agree with Phil - it seems to be the same idea. I'd be interested if that truly was what was behind these guys and their adoption of feminism. I'm not sure it's what is behind PZ's feminist mania, and I don't honestly feel that many of the FtB men are doing it to seek approval from women. It seems more that they've bought into an ideology and the women themselves don't actually matter at all.

That said... part of the reason (perhaps the main reason, apart from the whole infantilisation of women schtick) is that I'm for the freedom of language. There's words and phrases I fucking hate (people of colour and mansplaining, for example) but I respect people's right to say 'em. I'm fine with chill girls and gender traitors - they're fucking stupid words said by fucking stupid people, but hey, free speech!, and I've got the right to call them cunts back. :) I don't think banning words is a great idea - people always find new words to describe things. If you kill mangina you'll just get something else that's less offensive but carries the same thought behind it... People are going to find bad words to describe their enemies and obstacles.

It's not a question of banning words, it is a question of stupid words said by stupid people.

So if you use mangina, or group x uses mangina, I will suspect they are stupid ignorant hyper partisan haters just as I think feminists that throw around mansplaining, patriarchy, rape apologist, etc. etc.

I think there are plenty of other ways to describe those behaviors that are less offputting to people I think can be persuaded to support me, that mark us an intelligent and not dimwits.

So, you don't want to ban a word, but everyone who uses that certain word is a dimwit? :doh:

Pretty much, yes.

I don't use words like n* either, and I think that arguably most non black people who do are dimwits or worse. I am not saying they should be banned, but the arguments that it's somehow a funny word, or they use it I should be able to use it, are pretty nonsensical.

As I've said repeatedly, talking about fathers rights and mens rights is difficult enough with my friends who love me and support me and know what shit I've had to go through to see my kids, and associating myself with people that use words like mangina will just make it a shit load more difficult for me -- it's counterproductive and I think counterproductive for anyone in the MRM to do so.

There are far better words to use that encourage support and describe what PZ et al., do and that don't immediately turn people away.

It's similar to how I feel about hate speech laws - I dislike them and would never ban speech but I think many of the people (not most, not all) that run afoul of them are often pretty despicable themselves. I support their speech because one day it may be my speech that is threatened.

Over at FARK which I just defended, people are given the option to ignore others, hide their comments, but by and large when people brag they have ignored someone they are laughed at and mocked for using such a lame, weak, cowardly move. And the ugly speech is useful to get out some ideas, but mainly to identify the true assholes, and to help people realize that troglodytes do exist. That's the opposite of speech banning policies. (And it never ends up like the PZ, SJW threads.)

[Al Stefanelli]

I just don't get how someone can read and listen to something and still manage to totally fuck it up:

http://www.alstefanelli.com/McKen5.jpg

[Tkmlac]

I just don't get how someone can read and listen to something and still manage to totally fuck it up:

http://www.alstefanelli.com/McKen5.jpg

The problem with arguing with crazy is that you have to argue with crazy. She's nucking futs, I tell you.

[BarnOwl]

It's a rather handy tool for running a network, especially now that HP and Cisco have gotten off that Java kick. But, just like driving a truck requires different skills than riding a skateboard, you have to learn how the iPad actually works to use it well. Just like you have to learn at least a minimum of how OS X/Windows/Linux work to use THOSE platforms well. You don't have to be a sysadmin by any means, but you have to learn *something*.

Will you please talk to the administrative higher-ups at my uni about this? I keep telling them that if they expect us to develop e-learning modules and self-tests that work well on an iPad or smartphone, they need to buy us iPads so that we can learn how they work and use them appropriately in the context of curriculum development.

Still waiting for that iPad, of course. They could buy a metric fucketonne of them, for the amount applied instead to annual salary for yet another useless deanlet. /rant

[Jan Steen]

Wow, there is a thread at Atheism+ forums entitled "Are the moderators here censorious, capricious, and biased?" which has 1100 (one-thousand one hundred messages). :lol:

I guess "no" is not the right answer, then.

[somedumbguy]

Yeah my beef with some of the various MRA movements as well is that they are really born out of Gender Feminism concepts, and as such tend to be flawed as well. That said, I do think that as a whole MRA-ism (weird word but whatever) is getting better, while Feminism is getting worse, unfortunately. But this is my memory of things going a way back, and things have changed a lot over the last year or two.

Predictions for the next year: It's the same prediction I make everywhere. There's going to be a bit of a spotlight...not a hugely bright one but it'll get people's attention...on these issues, and it's not going to be pretty. I think people are going to get increasingly fed up with the antics of all the various Social Justice Warrior groups (A+ is one of them, even if many of them don't even realize it), and there's going to be a bit of a shock as they realize that it's not just a small bunch of miscontented trolls, but it's that people who think that their brand of "social justice" is fail.

I personally don't like feminism because it blames the entire other gender for all its ills and refuses to admit that the same ills of a patriarchal society also negatively affect that other gender, but I look at MRA sites and they do the very same thing, refusing to acknowledge women's struggles and putting all the blame on the other gender. It's like looking at a mirror.

Well, you should look again, because the sites I visit, from Glennsacks.com, to Fathers & Families, to AVFM do not do this, at all.

Most acknowledge and respect many of the feminist movements for much progress in needed areas, explicitly acknowledging women's struggles. And I've never seen any of them put all the blame on the other gender. Put much of the blame on feminists? Yes. Put much of the blame on the opposite sex? No.

[JackRayner]

I didn't follow that "mangina" discussion, but what you quoted sounds as stupid as "gender traitor", "chill girl" or "sister punisher".
No offense intended.
Much...

The sentiment also appears as white supremacists calling their white opponents 'race traitors,' blacks calling other blacks 'uncle Toms' or 'oreos,' Jews calling other Jews 'Self-Hating Jews' for opposing Israeli policies, Gays calling Gays 'Uncle Marys,' Communists calling other Communists 'counter-revolutionaries'...
The (odd) implication is that, by virtue of your identity, you are pre-enrolled in some sort of army, against which you could then be committing 'treason.' One common denominator is that the speakers are vanguardists; they believe that their movement represents the true voice or soul of a large group of people. Because of this, any member of the group that doesn't agree can be accused of treason or inauthenticity, not simple disagreement.
In no case should these terms be taken seriously by anyone as long as they are given out in lieu of a rational response.

Oh my fucking non-existent god! Yes. It is totally the same thing. So, some feminist supporting chump who yells "why do you hate women?!" at the folk working to bring attention to real, existing issues that affect men, and that have either long gone ignored or have been aggravated by feminist policies [to include the feminists swooping in to get anyone even talking about it to shut the fuck up]. Some of us call this chump a mangina, and it's the same as all of the above, right? No. You are fucking stupid.

But here. Here's your chance. Spell the following out for me: Tell me how a white supremacists calling a white opponent a "race traitor" is the same as an MRA [who wants, for example, equality in treatment from the law] calling a feminism supporting man a "mangina". Fucking tell me that.

[BarnOwl]

I just don't get how someone can read and listen to something and still manage to totally fuck it up:

Oh I think she comprehends it just fine, but then makes a deliberate choice to lie about it.