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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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BarnOwl wrote:Well, I'm going to get four different toxicologists to write blog posts about how nail salons are full of hazardous cosmetics and chemicals that damage the environment and cause health problems.

Because I'm a cuticle traitor like that. I feel safe and non-toxic without a manicure.

Flounce, or no flounce? http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-414920
Major flounce! With bells!

I just received an email from Smeg Raiden - saying that unless I apologize, he and all his mangrrls from the trailer ranch were going to come around and make me apologize face down in the kitty litter. I'm terrified of getting online and won't leave my mothers basement without a police escort. People have been calling the unemployment office talking about me. This isn't war, it's a crusade. Why, I even saw the shape of a squid in my macaroni - I'm thinking of joining a convent, as soon as the mangina surgery is done.

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John Greg wrote:Abbie and Badger, you buggers have me weeping, literaly weeping tears of hilarity. Thank you so much.

Quadruple thumbs up.
Abbie started it. She deserves major credit.

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Re: blondie here

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sacha wrote:I'm not following. Who is Ixchel? Who is SG? What is TZTs? Who is TM? What is TET*?
TM is probably "truth machine", who was a regular at least in the 2005-2009 years. I think around 2009 he got sick of Pharyngula and stopped posting. TM was known for having a very aggressive and contemptuous style of posting back when the other commenters weren't all that aggressive yet. He also has a distinctive style of posting many comments in a row. That's probably the reason why windy and Sven Dimilo/ChasCPeterson both thought "Forced to be Anonymous", who posted in early incarnations of the ERV anti-Watson threads, was probably truth machine.

This is just my speculation, take with salt grains as needed.

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BarnOwl

That is so friggin' funny. PeeZee has banned everyone, now they're eating each other. Too bad most atheists don't read the comments over there anymore. It's a real eye-opener. :lol:

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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The Golden Flounce Award! AHAHAHHA! Who will be the winner this month? Will it be...

PZ Myers, for requesting his membership to Rationalia be deleted because just flouncing wasn't good enough...
Aquaria, for getting called on using the word "tard" and running off to hug her guns...
Spokesgay, for flouncing from every attempt at twitter discussion with a variant of FUCK OFF...

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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ERV wrote:Noh mah gawd you guais.

I think I can finally say this out loud.

*deepbreath*

I have a hang nail.

My life has been a wreck for days. The experience has been so painful, physically and emotionally, I can barely function. I couldnt even go to the bank today.

You all will be shocked to hear-- Along with not providing personal security guards and strictly enforced harassment guidelines, neither OKC Atheists nor FreeOK nor SkepticsofOz have provided the women involved in these communities with manicurists. I cant imagine going to a conference like TAM without this critical issue being addressed. Who am I supposed to notify if I have a hang nail? Is the conference going to provide me with nail scissors? Nail Files? I mean is DJ Grothe going to get me Schedule I opiates for the pain, or does he literally want me to die slowly and painfully, just because I am a woman?

Before any of the misogynists here start blaming the victim and saying that this isnt Atheisms Problem, there are non-atheist ways of dealing with a relatively minor issue that has nothing to do with atheism that all of us deal with on a relatively frequent basis, and if my hang nail is infected or really is That Bad I should be going to the hospital, not volunteers at conferences, and maybe I should be taking some personal responsibility for my hang nails... I am shaking, with tears of rage in the corner of my eyes, thinking about how much the men in skepticism literally want me to be tortured and killed.

Im going to contact every leader of every domestic and international skeptic/atheist group and demand they issue an official statement and set up official procedures for how hang nails will be addressed in their respective circles. And if they dont, Im sure USA Today will be interested in hearing just how much male atheists literally enjoy watching women suffer.

Tears of rage, you guys. Tears of rage.

[/totally not a liiiiiittle buzzed right now. but really, this hang nail fucking hurts.]
I think you're supposed to soak a hangnail. Want me to brew some coffee for you to soak it in? ;)

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Job Dung

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It is as I assumed it would be.
Akin to a critical mass in a nuclear reactor.
An unstoppable chain reaction.
One that generates copious amounts of heat and toxic by-products.
Pharyngula is in the initial stages of melt-down.
The chief engineer, architect, and initiator of the meltdown has fled the Chernobyl complex for the Kremlin, and left it to his doomed fire-fighters to cope with capping the sarcophagus[1], only to die of hypocrisy poisoning as a result.
They are turning on each other, much as I seem to remember Franc predicted.
Revolutions eat their own offspring.

(Yeah, Flounce-hypocrite and all that.)

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[1] sarcophagus: From the Greek, meaning "flesh eating", which is in what the Pharyngudrones are indulging to a Schadenfreudical orgasmic degree. And releasing some considerable pent-up venom against uneasy 'political' allies, it seems.
As I said: Job Done.

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mordacious1 wrote:
PeeZee has banned everyone, now they're eating each other. Too bad most atheists don't read the comments over there anymore.
Well I go there and read them as I do also the ones at Skepchick too. It can be hard trying to get through some of it given the rift between there and my own sites, but it has to be done. You cannot dismiss others just because they upset you. That is no way to proceed. All opinion must be referenced, where it is relevant. No one is my enemy. I engage with everyone. It matters not one jot to me who you are. What I am far more interested in, is what you have to say and why. Subjective emotional interpretation has no place in that. Atheists and skeptics should be perfectly capable of putting all that behind them. Logic and reason are our tools of investigation, not fear and hate.

What I would like is for all relevant parties in current dramas, such as freethoughtblogs, Skepchick, rationalia, rationalskepticism et al is to all get together round a table and trash it out. That is the right and proper way to proceed. Going to your respective corner of the net and dissing whoever has dissed you is just counter productive and unnecessary. I would like everyone to be one one site and one site only and for any mods to be the absolute epitome of neutrality. It might take a while but if we cannot behave, then we can hardly expect others to either now, can we? Remember, you can attack ideology, that is absolutely fine. No problem with that at all. But the second you start doing that to your opponent, you have lost it. Individuals are never attacked. they are respected. Only ideas get taken apart. Only ideas. Nothing else. One really cannot put it any simpler than that. No sir.

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surreptitious57 wrote:What I would like is for all relevant parties in current dramas, such as freethoughtblogs, Skepchick, rationalia, rationalskepticism et al is to all get together round a table and trash it out.
Yeah. Negotiating with terrorists. That has a great track record.

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astrokid.nj wrote:ERV.. puh-lease send that where it belongs.. freethoughtblahgs/skeptichunt
Like Franc said long ago.. only gendertraitors can take this thing down
{Youtube "I am no man!" clip of the king of the Nazgul getting taken down by someone with tits}
Tolkien, like Heinlein, had chicks that could kick ass before modern identity politics were born. Both have been accused as misogynist Nazis.

Huh?

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Remember that infamous SkeptickCon panel where Laden said that testosterone damages the brain (you know you do, so don't ask me to link it). The other controversial remark came from one Heina Dadabhoy, who even before Laden made his testosterone remark, said the following:
Heina Dadabhoy: That is an underdiagnosis issue, actually. They have been doing more and more research on women and autism. A lot of us women who fall on the spectrum only find out when we are adults, because a lot of the behaviors that manifest…the ways that girl tend to manifest it is slightly different and you know a girl who gets obsessed with something they are like “oh, well she is a girl and she has her little obsessions, how cute and when it is a boy it is like “oh, why isn’t he out beating up his peers?” so that is a big issue with autism.

Member in the audience: …inaudible… [probably something to do with differential disease susceptibility between genders e. g. red-green color blindness or hemophilia - E. K.]

Heina Dadabhoy: That is the Y chromosome. It’s broken [Dadabhoy smiles and laughs - E. K.]
What went unnoticed is that she responded to the controversy over a week ago on twitter:
Heina D. ‏@futilityfiles

@szvan I meant that stupid comment as a silly joke for laughs. Blargh.


4:21 PM - 21 Jul 12 via web
link,

See, the issue is this. I can be willing to accept that it was meant as a joke, and to be honest I'm not in the least bit offended by it (I can even see the humor in it, if I want to be generous). What I don't like is the fact that I know that if anyone on the anti-FTB and anti-Skepchick side would have made an equivalent joke against them, their entire side would still be flinging shit our way, crying misogyny, and using the incident as an example of how awful we all are to make such a hateful joke (hell, they lost their shit over a fucking T-shirt and one comment on a forum at the corner of the internet). So which is it FTB? Are these sort of lighthearted gender-based jokes acceptable or not? Because consistency seems to be a foreign language to you guys.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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surreptitious57 wrote:
As one who believes in absolute free speech, I cannot condone the banning of any word or term. I can understand the motivation of such intention, but it is ultimately wrong. It is ultimately wrong for a number of reasons, not least being that it is open to subjective interpretation. It is also wrong because those who seek to prohibit it may be doing so for ulterior purposes, but even if they are genuinely altruistic, it is still wrong. It is actually in principle, a greater injustice to ban, than not to ban.

Free speech is one of the most fundamental rights we possess as humans. We relinquish it at our peril. No one has a right not be offended. However just because one has the right to exercise absolute free speech, does not automatically mean that it should be so. For with rights come responsibilities. So while I defend to the death the right of anyone to say anything, no matter what, it is wise to self censor and exercise caution also.
One of the reasons why absolute free speech is not concerned with subjective emotional interpretation vis a vis the moral validity of a particular view, is because she, [yes, I describe her as so] has zero concept of this. It is not arrogance or indifference therefore, but ignorance. But a necessary one in this case. For it not to be would severly compromise the principle. So all she is concerned with is equality of representation. She makes no distinction beyond that. In that respect, she functions the same as justice does. Only humans apply subjective interpretation. But absolute free speech has no such reference point. All opinions are equally valid, far as she is concerned. Besides, leaving it to humans is not very responsible, given their capacity for ulterior motive.

The Americans have this wonderful thing called The First Amendment.You might have heard of it. Now it is not perfect, but nevertheless, it protects and incubates the spoken and written word from those who may wish to deny it, merely because they happen to disagree with it on particular occasion. Of course, there are exceptions. As I said, it is not perfect. Nevertheless. The idea that words should be protected, that what one says or writes, should be an inalienable right, and that those with ulterior motive, should not seek to take that away. Those with power and wealth should not deny the right of self expression to those without, irrespective of the moral validity or otherwise of what they are saying. What a beautiful thing that is. Indeed so beautiful is it, that it is something worth dying for.

It protects Larry Flynt. It protects Shirley Phelps. It protects Charles Barron. And so it should, so it should. It also protects Rebecca Watson and Ophelia Benson and Amy Roth and P Z, and so it should, too. But even more than The First Amendment, there is absolute free speech herself, and her protection is a bit more inclusive. She protects everyone and anyone. She protects racists and misogynists and homophobes. She protects paedophiles and terrorists. Indeed, there isn't anyone she doesn't protect. And before you say, that nowhere in the world is absolute free speech actually practised, I know, I know. But that is no reason however why it should not be. And I for one certainly do believe in it. It is indeed a beautiful and wonderful thing. We abuse it at our peril.

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Re: Pharwrongula

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franc wrote:
surreptitious57 wrote:
What I would like is for all relevant parties in current dramas, such as freethoughtblogs, Skepchick, rationalia, rationalskepticism et al is to all get together round a table and trash it out.
Yeah. Negotiating with terrorists. That has a great track record.
So you equate atheists and skeptics with those who wish to impose their will through the use of violence, in order to achieve a political aim? Well, no one has actually died in these site wars. But that is nothing unusual, given how the only weapons used are words, and not bullets, now.

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Saint N. wrote:
See, the issue is this. I can be willing to accept that it was meant as a joke, and to be honest I'm not in the least bit offended by it (I can even see the humor in it, if I want to be generous). What I don't like is the fact that I know that if anyone on the anti-FTB and anti-Skepchick side would have made an equivalent joke against them, their entire side would still be flinging shit our way, crying misogyny, and using the incident as an example of how awful we all are to make such a hateful joke (hell, they lost their shit over a fucking T-shirt and one comment on a forum at the corner of the internet). So which is it FTB? Are these sort of lighthearted gender-based jokes acceptable or not? Because consistency seems to be a foreign language to you guys.
Getting emotional over the rape joke, I can understand one hundred per cent. Not only are they feminists, but some of them have been victims of rape themselves. So I have zero problem with that. But to get just as angry over the T shirt is plain wrong. It was not even negative towards the Skepchicks. It was merely how one individual saw herself, namely as a skeptic, as opposed to a female skeptic. Could someone please explain how that is offensive? Does one not have the freedom to describe oneself how ever one wishes? Ophelia Benson apparently had Harriet Hall observed on three consecutive days wearing the offending item, and referenced this over at freethoughtblogs. To me that is a far more questionable action than mere self expression. Of course, there is a wider context to all this, as we know. But even so.

Some have suggested that there is an attempt at absolute control and such control can only take place from within feminism, not outside of it. So when one is apparently so disregarding of the movement, it sends shock waves through it. I have seen it stated that the Skepchicks are not concerned with gender equality. They want to go beyond that and redress the historical legacy of misogyny by advocating sexual inequality in favour of women. There is a certain logic to this, but in practice, this is not the way to proceed. It is counter productive and retrograde. I am all for sexual equality, but it cannot develop from an atmosphere of negativity. Co operation, rather than confrontation, is the key here.

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Surreptitious: You are basically saying what we have all been saying for over a year now.

So, yep!

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Re: Pharwrongula

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surreptitious57 wrote:
franc wrote:
surreptitious57 wrote:
What I would like is for all relevant parties in current dramas, such as freethoughtblogs, Skepchick, rationalia, rationalskepticism et al is to all get together round a table and trash it out.
Yeah. Negotiating with terrorists. That has a great track record.
So you equate atheists and skeptics with those who wish to impose their will through the use of violence, in order to achieve a political aim? Well, no one has actually died in these site wars. But that is nothing unusual, given how the only weapons used are words, and not bullets, now.
Define violence. Is Westboro Baptist violent? I see no difference between them and the baboons. WBC are largely dismissed because they target fags, a politically charged and keenly defended group. Baboons target white males and their female collaborators - not a popular group for civil rights defenders. Otherwise, there is no difference.

here's a clarification -

Yeah. Negotiating with fred Phelps. That has a great track record.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Such a shame MKG is leaving. Although, I can understand where he's coming from. Well, let's try to get the fun going until he comes back. From what has been reported upthread, this might be the most popcorny part of this whole shenanigan.

I had a long and trying day. Snake, missing cat, long story...

Aaaaand I'm off to bed!
I had awful visions of THIS!!!

http://www.bloggingwv.com/wp-content/up ... ts_cat.jpg

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Check out:
http://pezis.com/slimpitt.org

That sounds almost exactly like PZMyers.com/slymepit, with a heapin' helpin' of Abbie thrown in.
Oh, and lots of gratuitous photo-shopped images of ridiculously morphed hyper-feminine cheesecake.
(But not in calendar form, so it is fair game).
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franc wrote:
surreptitious57 wrote:
franc wrote:
surreptitious57 wrote:
What I would like is for all relevant parties in current dramas, such as freethoughtblogs, Skepchick, rationalia, rationalskepticism et al is to all get together round a table and trash it out.
Yeah. Negotiating with terrorists. That has a great track record.
So you equate atheists and skeptics with those who wish to impose their will through the use of violence, in order to achieve a political aim? Well, no one has actually died in these site wars. But that is nothing unusual, given how the only weapons used are words, and not bullets, now.
Define violence. Is Westboro Baptist violent? I see no difference between them and the baboons. WBC are largely dismissed because they target fags, a politically charged and keenly defended group. Baboons target white males and their female collaborators - not a popular group for civil rights defenders. Otherwise, there is no difference.

here's a clarification -

Yeah. Negotiating with fred Phelps. That has a great track record.
I don't know franc, just maybe some of them might come to their senses. Laden I see no hope for, he is a scumbag going after people's jobs as Abbie said "Taking the Internet into the meatspace" (paraphrasing her original "Do not bring MySpace drama into MeatSpace")

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Cristina Rad (Zomgitscriss) has a new video saying that she couldn't back up that old video she took down. Thing is, that old video said things that I KNOW there have been studies proving what she said. Maybe some any MRAs here can help me with links? I've read many articles that linked to, were based on, or at least named, the various studies that have shown this to be the case, but I've not bookmarked them. The research she is looking for, are the peer-reviewed studies that have shown that any remaining women's pay gap, is actually due to them not putting in the hours and/or choosing long-hour work, due to them wanting more at-home time (usually to raise kids while working), rather than any anti-female discrimination.

Here's her video:

[youtube]1iCSEokcS-4[/youtube]

Here's her article that goes with this video. A good place to leave links for her if not banned fftb-wide.

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Re: Periodic Table of Swearing

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This thing where PZ says he gives up and won't be moderating his comments at all anymore, I think it's just in hopes of actually making his threads active again due to the flouncings. I hope his threads just get ignored and more empty instead. Maybe he's also hoping that some of us will go over there and have fights with people. I think we should just sit back with our popcorn and quietly watch them all disintegrate into some sort of nothingness.

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Scented Nectar wrote:Cristina Rad (Zomgitscriss) has a new video saying that she couldn't back up that old video she took down. Thing is, that old video said things that I KNOW there have been studies proving what she said. Maybe some any MRAs here can help me with links? I've read many articles that linked to, were based on, or at least named, the various studies that have shown this to be the case, but I've not bookmarked them. The research she is looking for, are the peer-reviewed studies that have shown that any remaining women's pay gap, is actually due to them not putting in the hours and/or choosing long-hour work, due to them wanting more at-home time (usually to raise kids while working), rather than any anti-female discrimination.

Here's her video:

[youtube]1iCSEokcS-4[/youtube]

Here's her article that goes with this video. A good place to leave links for her if not banned fftb-wide.
This article is not itself peer-reviewed, but is a good overview of the issue, from 2011, that references a number of peer-reviewed studies, plus the CONSAD report:

Why the Gender Gap Won’t Go Away. Ever.

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I was wondering what was keeping the usually premature-ejaculatory PeeZus from doing the obvious with this ixchel guy. Then I saw this:
Spence wrote:
AndrewV69 wrote: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-414528
I don’t care about the details of what’s going on: I’m just doing the math

if you’re driving away more good people than you can possibly compensate for, I’ll make some harsh decisions based on cost/benefit ratios here.
(My bold). Doesn't it sound a lot like PZ is referring to his bank account here? "Compensate for" sounds a bit like he'd be okay with it if SGBM was generating enough hits to cover the cost of the flouncers...
And all was clear. I don't much bother with FTB directly, so it's good to have a summary. First madness, now cannibalism. I'll grab some popcorn.

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Scented Nectar wrote:This thing where PZ says he gives up and won't be moderating his comments at all anymore, I think it's just in hopes of actually making his threads active again due to the flouncings. I hope his threads just get ignored and more empty instead. Maybe he's also hoping that some of us will go over there and have fights with people. I think we should just sit back with our popcorn and quietly watch them all disintegrate into some sort of nothingness.
After watching the nonsense with the rabid crew of nutcases he has attracted I'd not want to see my docs dropped. So no, I stopped reading his blog and I will not be adding to his revenue flow.

I'm not completely below the radar here now, I noticed Geoff trashed me good. That's ok, at least so far no one is phoning me at home yet. My blog entry which drew the negative attention was about not becoming the baboons really. You have all proven the point, it's pathetic when the people taking the so-called high road are worse than the people they are trying to demonize.

P.S. What is this embroidery thing? Is it like a esoteric term for some chemistry perhaps? Never heard of it.

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Unwanted Guest wrote:
Scented Nectar wrote:Cristina Rad (Zomgitscriss) has a new video saying that she couldn't back up that old video she took down. Thing is, that old video said things that I KNOW there have been studies proving what she said. Maybe some any MRAs here can help me with links? I've read many articles that linked to, were based on, or at least named, the various studies that have shown this to be the case, but I've not bookmarked them. The research she is looking for, are the peer-reviewed studies that have shown that any remaining women's pay gap, is actually due to them not putting in the hours and/or choosing long-hour work, due to them wanting more at-home time (usually to raise kids while working), rather than any anti-female discrimination.

Here's her video:

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Here's her article that goes with this video. A good place to leave links for her if not banned fftb-wide.
This article is not itself peer-reviewed, but is a good overview of the issue, from 2011, that references a number of peer-reviewed studies, plus the CONSAD report:

Why the Gender Gap Won’t Go Away. Ever.
No her original video was right on. I have read similar articles but what I find more interesting is there are more men taking time off for children or even stay at home dads. Sexual stereotypes does not help humans, it hurts everyone.

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Lsuoma wrote:Anyone notice that our latest signup is blu?
It's about time. Hi blu! She was the very first person that I e-mailed after EG (Sun, 2 Oct 2011). I hate bullies and I wanted to at least show my support to her. She got bullied very badly.

I e-mailed her a link to my open letter to PZ, so I guess she has stayed.

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Scented Nectar wrote:Cristina Rad (Zomgitscriss) has a new video saying that she couldn't back up that old video she took down. Thing is, that old video said things that I KNOW there have been studies proving what she said. Maybe some any MRAs here can help me with links? I've read many articles that linked to, were based on, or at least named, the various studies that have shown this to be the case, but I've not bookmarked them. The research she is looking for, are the peer-reviewed studies that have shown that any remaining women's pay gap, is actually due to them not putting in the hours and/or choosing long-hour work, due to them wanting more at-home time (usually to raise kids while working), rather than any anti-female discrimination.
I'm not an MRA (although I think it's wierd that the term "MRA" should be considered an automatic insult. Wouldn't someone who believes in advocating for humanistic values for all be both an MRA and a feminist at the same time?) but I think I might add something here.
First, I have watched a few of Zomgitscriss' videos and have come to the conclusion that some are better argued than others. For example the "agnostic" video about Neil Degrasse Tyson was great. It was very clear and made a very simple and convincing point. The feminism one that she removed was about a much more complicated topic. In that video she came across as an enthusiastic amateur. There is nothing wring with that but it is such a broad issue that it is going to be next to impossible to make convincing points that are applicable to all circumstances and as such it is vunerable to criticism from those who say that X research doesn't apply in situation Y. In other words that video had a mixture of some good points and some questionable points, or at least some points that were vunerable to strong counter arguments.

As for the real reason she took it down, I tend to view it as the same underlying reason why this whole mess started in the first place.
That reason is the issue of celebrity atheists.
Celebrity comes at some cost but also brings a reward. In the atheist/skeptical community there are clear celebrities and their reward is to be made part of the 'circuit'. Just look at all the meetings that PZ and RW are invited to attend. Being a speaker at such events usually means that your airfare, hotel and meals are paid for and there are often speakers fees. For some of the big names the actual money involved over the course of a year is going to be equivalent or greater than the average salary.
And then there is the question of money coming from blogging. For most bloggers, even most on FTB this is going to be relatively minor but for some big names the money they make from their blogs will surpass their real world salaries, particularly if they work in academia. If they were producing decent original work I wouldn't have a problem with that. Who would complain that the writer of Jesus and Mo shouldn't be compensated for his/her brilliant writing (and terrible drawing!)
The FTB FC5(6) however seem to have perfected a kind of outrage perpetual motion machine. Any tiny slight on their views becomes amplified in a chain reaction of inter linked whining such that it ends up in ridiculous situations like DJ Grothe being labeled a misogynist or Harriet Halls T shirt being worth tears of rage. Or how about Ophelia and her threats, the only known case of a skeptic managing to 'Sokal' themself.
Well Rad has joined the club. I still think she has more integrity than the rest but she clearly realizes that she needs to hold her tongue if she wants to enjoy the benefits (and in her situation the main benfits are going to be paid invites to foreign conventions and probably a limited income from FTB) Others on the circuit, such as Matt ("facts don't matter") Dillahunty are clearly in it for the same reason, although more for convention invites rather than blog money.
I think I should stop before I turn this into a novel.

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surreptitious57 wrote:
mordacious1 wrote:
PeeZee has banned everyone, now they're eating each other. Too bad most atheists don't read the comments over there anymore.
Well I go there and read them as I do also the ones at Skepchick too. It can be hard trying to get through some of it given the rift between there and my own sites, but it has to be done. You cannot dismiss others just because they upset you. That is no way to proceed. All opinion must be referenced, where it is relevant. No one is my enemy. I engage with everyone. It matters not one jot to me who you are. What I am far more interested in, is what you have to say and why. Subjective emotional interpretation has no place in that. Atheists and skeptics should be perfectly capable of putting all that behind them. Logic and reason are our tools of investigation, not fear and hate.

What I would like is for all relevant parties in current dramas, such as freethoughtblogs, Skepchick, rationalia, rationalskepticism et al is to all get together round a table and trash it out. That is the right and proper way to proceed. Going to your respective corner of the net and dissing whoever has dissed you is just counter productive and unnecessary. I would like everyone to be one one site and one site only and for any mods to be the absolute epitome of neutrality. It might take a while but if we cannot behave, then we can hardly expect others to either now, can we? Remember, you can attack ideology, that is absolutely fine. No problem with that at all. But the second you start doing that to your opponent, you have lost it. Individuals are never attacked. they are respected. Only ideas get taken apart. Only ideas. Nothing else. One really cannot put it any simpler than that. No sir.
We tried that on the Rationalia thread where PZ commented. He made a few snarky comments than buggered off. He really made no effort to try a discussion, but he did want to preach his superiority. Maybe he'd be willing to talk now, but even with flouncing from his own blog, he'd have to at least admit that he could be wrong, and I don't see that happening. He has too much invested in his internet drama to do that. It would be nice to be wrong, but I just don't see it.

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Saint N. wrote:Remember that infamous SkeptickCon panel where Laden said that testosterone damages the brain (you know you do, so don't ask me to link it). The other controversial remark came from one Heina Dadabhoy, who even before Laden made his testosterone remark, said the following:
Heina Dadabhoy: That is an underdiagnosis issue, actually. They have been doing more and more research on women and autism. A lot of us women who fall on the spectrum only find out when we are adults, because a lot of the behaviors that manifest…the ways that girl tend to manifest it is slightly different and you know a girl who gets obsessed with something they are like “oh, well she is a girl and she has her little obsessions, how cute and when it is a boy it is like “oh, why isn’t he out beating up his peers?” so that is a big issue with autism.

Member in the audience: …inaudible… [probably something to do with differential disease susceptibility between genders e. g. red-green color blindness or hemophilia - E. K.]

Heina Dadabhoy: That is the Y chromosome. It’s broken [Dadabhoy smiles and laughs - E. K.]
What went unnoticed is that she responded to the controversy over a week ago on twitter:
Heina D. ‏@futilityfiles

@szvan I meant that stupid comment as a silly joke for laughs. Blargh.


4:21 PM - 21 Jul 12 via web
link,

See, the issue is this. I can be willing to accept that it was meant as a joke, and to be honest I'm not in the least bit offended by it (I can even see the humor in it, if I want to be generous). What I don't like is the fact that I know that if anyone on the anti-FTB and anti-Skepchick side would have made an equivalent joke against them, their entire side would still be flinging shit our way, crying misogyny, and using the incident as an example of how awful we all are to make such a hateful joke (hell, they lost their shit over a fucking T-shirt and one comment on a forum at the corner of the internet). So which is it FTB? Are these sort of lighthearted gender-based jokes acceptable or not? Because consistency seems to be a foreign language to you guys.
Well, at least one of them has a sense of humor and admits it. Too bad that Svan and Laden went on and dug themselves in holes trying to justify a joke as a serious matter. Especially with the incredibly dodgy science stefunny used.

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Scented Nectar wrote:This thing where PZ says he gives up and won't be moderating his comments at all anymore, I think it's just in hopes of actually making his threads active again due to the flouncings. I hope his threads just get ignored and more empty instead. Maybe he's also hoping that some of us will go over there and have fights with people. I think we should just sit back with our popcorn and quietly watch them all disintegrate into some sort of nothingness.
Quite a few people from here are banned over there, and hopefully those who aren't will stay away. I have no idea if I am banned or not, since I stopped commenting a while ago due to the wonky registration he used, and I have no plans to go there. If anyone wants dialogue they are welcome to come here (or other places like Rationalia) and discuss. This site was in some respects set up for that. Even if PZ says he won't be moderating, I have my doubts. His past behavior does not engender trust.

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I posted this on ERV, but wanted to copy it here:

Hey Abbie – you are awarded the title of “UD author and commentor”, implying to my reading a pro-ID stance (along with Nick Matzke, Larry Moran, and others)
http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2012/07/wh ... -list.html

Slimy Sal, at it again.

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Slimy Sal offering yet more evidence of what utter retards IDiots are.

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Don't you just love when the Baboons fight amongst themselves and smear their own excrement everywhere.

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Scented Nectar wrote:Cristina Rad (Zomgitscriss) has a new video saying that she couldn't back up that old video she took down. Thing is, that old video said things that I KNOW there have been studies proving what she said. Maybe some any MRAs here can help me with links? I've read many articles that linked to, were based on, or at least named, the various studies that have shown this to be the case, but I've not bookmarked them. The research she is looking for, are the peer-reviewed studies that have shown that any remaining women's pay gap, is actually due to them not putting in the hours and/or choosing long-hour work, due to them wanting more at-home time (usually to raise kids while working), rather than any anti-female discrimination.
I've posted this before:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wo ... nt_records

Seems pretty unambiguous that human males are, at the very least, about 50% stronger than females. If anything, the pay gap should be larger than it currently is.

This disparity opens up an entire class of 'heavy lifting' type gigs that women simply can't compete in. Construction, fishing, rig work, etc. The caveat being, of course, that men also suffer more work related stress, injury and death. Hence women ultimately end up living longer and acquiring more wealth over their lifetime.

Everything works out in the long run and as always, there is no "free lunch" in nature. Of course, this doesn't keep the Girlyban from demanding one.

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Badger3k wrote:I posted this on ERV, but wanted to copy it here:

Hey Abbie – you are awarded the title of “UD author and commentor”, implying to my reading a pro-ID stance (along with Nick Matzke, Larry Moran, and others)
http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2012/07/wh ... -list.html

Slimy Sal, at it again.
LUUUUUUUUUUULZ!!!

Oh dear, I miss that shit so much. Sal, Casey, Bill, where are you fuc...guys?

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Who is a rapist?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ons-reddit
Megan Carpentier - The Guardian

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rayshul wrote: PZ Myers, for requesting his membership to Rationalia be deleted because just flouncing wasn't good enough...
I was wondering when PZ was eventually going to ban himself.

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*Laughs at 'Antiochus Epiphanes' on the baboon board*:
...However, FtB is intended to be revolutionary in the culture of skepticism, atheism, humanism, and feeethought. Revolutions are rarely bloodless.
Yeah, kinda like North Korea was intended to be revolutionary in the culture of plurality, democracy and republicanism, eh old boy?

Wonder if the other FtB bloggers are aware of this intent...

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Oh. Myers has just served up more rape on his 'safe place for rape victims' in his latest post. To be fair, he at least attempts a trigger warning, albeit a half-hearted one:
Also, it’s about a dreadful rape case, and it does discuss some of the horrific consequences, so some of you may want to avoid it. Let me reassure you, though…it has a happy ending!
So the dreadful rape case has a happy ending. Makes posting it okay then, eh PZ?

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EveryMan wrote:
rayshul wrote: PZ Myers, for requesting his membership to Rationalia be deleted because just flouncing wasn't good enough...
I was wondering when PZ was eventually going to ban himself.
Does anyone still read PZ's blog ?

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EveryMan wrote: I've posted this before:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wo ... nt_records

Seems pretty unambiguous that human males are, at the very least, about 50% stronger than females. If anything, the pay gap should be larger than it currently is.

This disparity opens up an entire class of 'heavy lifting' type gigs that women simply can't compete in.
This strikes me as a weak argument. There was this recent event you might have heard of. It is called the Industrial Revolution and it introduced all forms of automation that removed a lot of the need for raw physical strength in the workplace. To be sure, there are still plenty of jobs where strength is required, but most of them are on the lower end of the pay scale. Higher paying jobs are generally knowledge jobs where physical strength doesn't matter. But, I would be interested in any supporting data you have.

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CommanderTuvok wrote:Who is a rapist?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ons-reddit
Megan Carpentier - The Guardian
Self reporting on reddit, jesus fucking christ, that's what I call rock-solid evidence.

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Guest wrote: This strikes me as a weak argument. There was this recent event you might have heard of. It is called the Industrial Revolution and it introduced all forms of automation that removed a lot of the need for raw physical strength in the workplace. To be sure, there are still plenty of jobs where strength is required, but most of them are on the lower end of the pay scale. Higher paying jobs are generally knowledge jobs where physical strength doesn't matter. But, I would be interested in any supporting data you have.
Doesn't matter. My point there is that there are entire industries (fishing and logging, for example) that are male dominated precisely because they can only be automated to a certain extend and there is still lots of heavy lifting. Watch the Discovery Channel sometime if you don't believe me. Those chainsaws aren't gonna lift themselves.

And I can't stress this enough, keep in mind that men account for 95% of workplace fatalities. Funny I don't hear the femmies complaining about that "gender gap". Wonder why that is?

But you are correct in that the gender wage gap is shrinking over time as society becomes more automated (which is great, btw). But for at least the foreseeable future there will continue to be a wage gap.

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:idea:
bhoytony wrote:
CommanderTuvok wrote:Who is a rapist?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ons-reddit
Megan Carpentier - The Guardian
Self reporting on reddit, jesus fucking christ, that's what I call rock-solid evidence.
Check the comments, its encouraging to see so many people calling her out on that.

"Rapflation" trivializes the experiences of actual victims of sexual assault.

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PZ, Keep Them In Line!

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In the cult of PZ, you do not stray. You must keep fully within the party line. Until now! Don't give up on your tyranny, PZ. If you don't lead them and control them, they'll stray into traffic or something. Get back in there and fight for your damaged little sycophants, damn it! http://is.gd/mhkTYt

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Tigzy wrote:*Laughs at 'Antiochus Epiphanes' on the baboon board*:
...However, FtB is intended to be revolutionary in the culture of skepticism, atheism, humanism, and feeethought. Revolutions are rarely bloodless.
Yeah, kinda like North Korea was intended to be revolutionary in the culture of plurality, democracy and republicanism, eh old boy?

Wonder if the other FtB bloggers are aware of this intent...
Ha ha, yes that does sound a bit like a mission statement doesn't it, I guess not everyone got Ed's memo...

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Dilurk wrote:Does anyone still read PZ's blog ?
For comedy material only.

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A femtheist femsplains how men shouldn't be offended by the term "mansplaining"

Comes with a handy-dandy flowchart! If it were posted by an anti-feminist I would have thought it was a parody. Basically if a woman claims that she has experienced sexism, if you say anything other than unconditional support for the woman it is "mansplaining."

Also check out the debate in the comments.
It is gendered because women don’t talk down to men by falsely assuming what it’s like for men to live in a society run by men. They know already exactly what it’s like, and are equals in the conversation. But men cannot know what it is like to be women living in a society run by men AT ALL, and are not experts in conversations about sexism, and yet they still have the arrogance to believe that they can offer insight or advice to the experts.
Underlining mine.

Women know everything about life as a man but men *cannot* know what life is for a woman. Yeahhh...I don't think so. When Norah Vincent disguised herself as a man she was surprised by several things about life as a male, including how much more difficult it is to approach women looking like a heterosexual man than as a lesbian woman.

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Hmm...rape jokes are never funny :?: two dudes
Actually, not sure if that is funny, or not (I'm too lazy now to insert the Fry meme, just use your imagination)

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tachikoma wrote:A femtheist femsplains how men shouldn't be offended by the term "mansplaining"

Comes with a handy-dandy flowchart! If it were posted by an anti-feminist I would have thought it was a parody. Basically if a woman claims that she has experienced sexism, if you say anything other than unconditional support for the woman it is "mansplaining."

Also check out the debate in the comments.
It is gendered because women don’t talk down to men by falsely assuming what it’s like for men to live in a society run by men. They know already exactly what it’s like, and are equals in the conversation. But men cannot know what it is like to be women living in a society run by men AT ALL, and are not experts in conversations about sexism, and yet they still have the arrogance to believe that they can offer insight or advice to the experts.
Underlining mine.

Women know everything about life as a man but men *cannot* know what life is for a woman. Yeahhh...I don't think so. When Norah Vincent disguised herself as a man she was surprised by several things about life as a male, including how much more difficult it is to approach women looking like a heterosexual man than as a lesbian woman.
You know that men are just women who have been damaged by testosterone, so of course they can know exactly what it is like to be a man. :roll:

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I've always wondered why a capitalist somewhere (they're so evil and selfish, I hear) doesn't just hire all these women who are allegedly willing to do the same work as men but for less money, and save a lot of money in the process. This capitalist would surely out-compete all his rivals, who would have to spend more money to get the equivalent amount labour and productivity from men. We are repeatedly told that all capitalists care about is money, so the fact that you don't tend to see this tells me things aren't as straight-forward as we're being told, by feminists, who seem to suggest that discrimination is the sole cause of the disparity in wages.

Where I work - its a combination of ratings, output, individual merit, how you negotiate your remuneration, and how long you've worked there, that determines what you get paid. Most of the women who have shows on the radio station I work at out earn all the men, besides me of course 8-). It would be funny for my other male colleagues, who all get paid less than the female presenters, to demand to be paid the same money as them just because they all also work equivalent daily 4-hour shifts, and point to gender discrimination should their demands not be met. That would simply be ridiculous. There are several other factors, besides the fact that we all essentially are doing that same thing, that impacts our individual market value, and consequently, salary. The wage-gap grievance mill seems not to take such things into consideration, however. I now kind of get why liberals in the US often get called communists :D.

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Scented Nectar wrote:This thing where PZ says he gives up and won't be moderating his comments at all anymore, I think it's just in hopes of actually making his threads active again due to the flouncings. I hope his threads just get ignored and more empty instead. Maybe he's also hoping that some of us will go over there and have fights with people. I think we should just sit back with our popcorn and quietly watch them all disintegrate into some sort of nothingness.
I agree with Nectar, his comment has a desperate undertone to it...
surreptitious57: "So you equate atheists and skeptics with those who wish to impose their will through the use of violence, in order to achieve a political aim? Well, no one has actually died in these site wars. But that is nothing unusual, given how the only weapons used are words, and not bullets, now."
I don't know where you have been the last year. It's far from just words. They have attempted to ruin careers, reputations, and lives. The ones who did not do the dirty work, cheered them on. It's worse than WBC in some ways, and I'd say that even without Laden...
Dilurk: "I don't know franc, just maybe some of them might come to their senses. Laden I see no hope for, he is a scumbag going after people's jobs as Abbie said "Taking the Internet into the meatspace" (paraphrasing her original "Do not bring MySpace drama into MeatSpace")"
Again, Dilurk? How many times are you going to post things like this. You don't need us to agree, go engage! Be polite and kind and calm. We will still be here. No one is going to attack, or stop speaking to you, for doing what you think is best for you.

I wonder if you remember what they did to Franc. He isn't going to agree with you, but he won't turn his back when you return, either.

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Equality of opportunity is not the same as equality of outcome. I support the former, and not the latter.

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EveryMan wrote:
"Rapflation" trivializes the experiences of actual victims of sexual assault.
I could not agree more. I read some of those posts and comments on Reddit the other day. not rape.

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Scented Nectar wrote:Cristina Rad (Zomgitscriss) has a new video saying that she couldn't back up that old video she took down. Thing is, that old video said things that I KNOW there have been studies proving what she said. Maybe some any MRAs here can help me with links?
Scented, you know by now that MRAs have long given up any discussion with feminists. Heck.. even conservative scholars like Hoff Sommers havent had any success with them. for e.g look at the women on this panel talking about the same issue.. CSPAN Equal Pay Day 2000. I have immense respect for them..they have the fundamental requirement of any intellectually honest person.. the willingness to admit that they could be wrong.
The writings of old-timer MRAs from the 70s/80s/90s who attempted all this reaching-out show the same exasperation. You could show evidence for one of the most-damaging-to-men issue, such as this open confession of false allegation to send a man to prison, and they will just say you are whining. As one MRA put it eloquently,
women's whining = pursuit of justice
men's pursuit of justice = whining
PUA's dissemination of evolutionary psychology-based understanding of male/female behaviours have taught the MRAs why this is so difficult. We are wired to be immensely more sensitive to womens' needs than mens'. for e.g as shown in the mainstream video. All this talk of rationality in the skeptic movement.. is largely bullshit if it fails to understand the bias that has allowed bunnygate, tshirtgate, what not.
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allow me to clarify before I get SWATted (see video) - Many of the quotes and comments I read were not rape. Others were.

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"Rapflation" trivializes the experiences of actual victims of sexual assault.
I could not agree more. I read some of those posts and comments on Reddit the other day. not rape.

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Sacha, I wasn't able to sit quietly though as planned. Ended up making a video and a blogpost teasing PZ about his commentors. Oh well, what can I say? I couldn't resist.

Justin V, your post came up blank. I'm letting you know because I'm pretty sure you meant for something to be there. :)

Astrokid, I haven't yet slotted her as being a radfem yet, and I'm wondering if she maybe IS open to evidence. She actually is saying she'd like to see some that is peer reviewed. So, her mind may be open to wherever the evidence leads. I'm hoping so anyways.

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Post by sacha »

Astro,
I just watched the video and when that woman in the pink top walked by, smiled and made that "way to go" motion with her arms, I got the chills. Not easy for me to be affected that way.

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