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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Slymepitters do NOT side with a spree killer and his gun nut mom. Slymepitters are not exclusively American. Slymepitters are not all pro-gun.

But it could be argued that Slymepitters will say, somewhat like hundreds of voices in the wilderness: "fuck you Laden, you pathetic piece of shit".
I haven't finished yet reading all posts, and I don't really have an opinion on gun ownership one way or the other, but I WILL SAY

"fuck you Laden, you pathetic piece of shit"

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Mykeru wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
Waterkant wrote:Laden claims to drop dox on people in the Slymepit on his gnarly blog, including phone numbers and stuff.
Nope. He's linking to an FB thing someone has done with details about the Westboro Phelps people.
Another desperate Laden attempt to get people to pay attention to him.
Let me get this straight. Greg Laden doc-dropping Westboro Baptist Church members, good; AVfM name-dropping radical feminists at a university protest, safety concern for the affected. Have I missed something?

:confusion-shrug:

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Pitchguest wrote:Let me get this straight. Greg Laden doc-dropping Westboro Baptist Church members, good; AVfM name-dropping radical feminists at a university protest, safety concern for the affected. Have I missed something?

:confusion-shrug:
A little dash of parallel illogic can solve all your cognitive dissonances.

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Mykeru wrote:
Gefan wrote:Arrived a while back on The Pit (having followed a trail of Baboon droppings) and have been lurking and chuckling for weeks.
Was delighted to find the good reverend Mykeru holding court. Hi, rev. - we've exchanged comments on youtube.
I have thus far ignored being called a potential rapist, a would-be mass murderer, a rape-apologist (and so on and on and on). However, upon being told that I sympathize with some loon who shoots up a grade school I realized there comes a time when one is required to join the party.
Much respect to all.

Gefan
Welcome, you fucker.

There's Oreos and bad coffee in the back and feel free to rape and kill as the spirit moves you.
*SIGH*

You have TWO options. Crab Juice or Mountain Dew.

I suppose there are some irregular Oreos left.

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ERV wrote: *SIGH*

You have TWO options. Crab Juice or Mountain Dew.

I suppose there are some irregular Oreos left.
Any Khlau Kalash?

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ERV wrote:
I suppose there are some irregular Oreos left.
Oreos are quite over rated, in the humble opinion of this antipodean.

Tim tams aren't bad.

But you can't beat the humble Krispie.

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Scented Nectar wrote:
Wild Zontargs wrote:
Scented Nectar wrote:I revamped my free needlework pattern site. All 1,744 patterns are now in pdf format.
http://scentednectar.blogspot.ca/2012/1 ... s-for.html

And yeah, I know needlepoint and cross-stitch are more of a gal thing, but EVERYONE'S welcome to stitch these. :P
Hell, I'm tempted to learn just to do some of those. (I already knit. My family hates it. I have no shame.)
Thanks! There's probably lots of sites that will teach you the basics, plus if you need supplies, there is a place I'm going to try getting supplies from next time I do one, and that's
http://www.herrschners.com/default.aspx (US site)
http://www.herrschners.ca/dept/crosssti ... ework.aspx (Canadian site)

Here's a guide to what size canvases (eg; 18 means there are 18 stitches to the inch), go with what size flosses/yarn (how many strands thick they are), and what size needles they go with:

Canvas Size___Strands in Yarn or Floss________Needle Size
12____________8 to 10 floss or perle size 3____18
14____________6 to 9 floss or perle size 3_____20 or 22
16____________4 to 7 floss or perle size 5_____22
18____________3 to 5 floss or perle size 5_____22 or 24
22____________3 or 4 floss or perle size 8_____24 or 26
24____________2 or 3 floss or perle size 8_____26

I break the rules a bit and prefer an 18 canvas with 6 strand embroidery thread for needlepoint (petitpoint since it's smaller than ordinary needlepoint). It ends up a tightish fit, but never leaves any spots where the canvas can be seen through. I'm supposed to be using 16 size canvas, but oh well.

As for the basics on how to needlepoint, I'm sure there are sites online that teach it, but I've not gone looking. Both needlepoint and cross-stitch are easy to learn. I prefer needlepoint as it needs only half the work compared to cross-stitch (where each stitch is a double one).
Those patterns are teh awesome! I might try one in cross-stitch first, since I have the cloth and embroidery floss already. Thanks so much for sharing them!

I knit, crochet, embroider, and needlepoint, which I'm sure says something very, very bad about me. I'm already a gender traitor and sister punisher, so all the needlework must mean that I'm somehow misogynist and repressive. Or something.

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As you guys, know I am a "really for reals" MRA not a make believe one that the baboons like to characterize the whole lot of you as.

I do not normally mention my activism much here, but because I strongly suspect the baboons monitor this place, I thought I would give them something to get all pissy about.

MRA Community Outreach Progress Report:

I just scored a big one with my Jehovah Witness couple. They are interested in "game" from a christian perspective and want to know more. This is on top of their increasing acceptance of Men's Rights vs Radfems from a societal point of view. Incidentally, they are fairly high up in their community and now drop by for social reasons. If you know anything about the JW they will not "witness" twice in a row with the same person. So the fact that they feel free to drop in on me is significant (it also helps I suppose in that I like them as people and they are always welcome).

I have also exchanged information with a member of the UK Islamic community concerning the same subjects. I will not say more because they are very reticent about discussing internal issues in public, and as this involves real identifiable people with real consequences, my lips are sealed.

Last visit from my Anglican priest was three weeks ago. Not as much progress there. I keep trying to meet his partner but so far no luck due to scheduling conflicts. I want to meet his partner because among other things, he is also involved in community affairs. Perhaps in the new year.

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Spence wrote:BTW, if some deranged psycho steals Laden's car and drives it into a crowd of people at high speed, would that make Laden a murderer, by his own logic? (Assuming Laden has a car of course. If not, replace "car" with "trailer". We knows he has one of those)
Yes, he does have a car. In fact, here it is, pictured with a couple of his trailer mates...

http://www.automopedia.org/wp-content/u ... ck-car.jpg

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Lsuoma wrote:
ERV wrote: *SIGH*

You have TWO options. Crab Juice or Mountain Dew.

I suppose there are some irregular Oreos left.
Any Khlau Kalash?
As many sticks as you can choke down.

There's also cloves and Tom Colin's mix. You've got to bring your frozen own pie crust though.

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Spence wrote:BTW, if some deranged psycho steals Laden's car and drives it into a crowd of people at high speed, would that make Laden a murderer, by his own logic? (Assuming Laden has a car of course. If not, replace "car" with "trailer". We knows he has one of those)
Yep, and by the same warped logic, the school shooter's mother committed suicide by proxy.

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Post by CommanderTuvok »

Remember Osama Greg Laden getting into trouble with his remarks about letting the Greeks starve?

He is a really nasty piece of shit. Of course, it should be pointed out that he is the BFF of STEPHANIE ZVAN. Remember to always make that connection, as it will smear InSvanity and Osama.

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Need trinkets? Support Adrienne Myers (no relation). One of the first to speak up and get bullied by the Myers/Watson dogpile. Nicer handiwork than the SulkyAmy sheltered workshop too. Starving student, nice chick.

http://www.etsy.com/shop/NerdLearner

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sacha wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Pro-tip for cat in heat:

Grab neck skin, hold firmly, massage area between tail and anus, wait for meowgasm.

Should buy you 30 minutes/1 hour rest.
better pro-tip: spay
Quite so. If anything, human, beast or machine offers me a choice between wanking it every 30 minutes or suffering aggravation, it's going in the wheelie bin with it's head on backwards and be fucked to it.

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CommanderTuvok wrote:Remember Osama Greg Laden getting into trouble with his remarks about letting the Greeks starve?

He is a really nasty piece of shit. Of course, it should be pointed out that he is the BFF of STEPHANIE ZVAN. Remember to always make that connection, as it will smear InSvanity and Osama.
You mean like this?
Mykeru wrote:
Meanwhile: the newly leaked Laden-Svan sex tape:

http://goo.gl/nx9JF
Mission accomplished!

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KiwiInOz wrote:
Mykeru wrote:
KiwiInOz wrote:
I'm from the land of Jake the Muss, and it freaked the hell out of me the first time I came to Oz and saw cops with guns.

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/4882 ... allery.jpg
Wow, your drag queens are ugly as fuck.
But they sure can bitch slap.

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All very well for Jango Fett, but in my experience - life not being a film - it's never that easy.

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Scented Nectar wrote:
Thanks! There's probably lots of sites that will teach you the basics, plus if you need supplies, there is a place I'm going to try getting supplies from next time I do one, and that's
http://www.herrschners.com/default.aspx (US site)
http://www.herrschners.ca/dept/crosssti ... ework.aspx (Canadian site)

Here's a guide to what size canvases (eg; 18 means there are 18 stitches to the inch), go with what size flosses/yarn (how many strands thick they are), and what size needles they go with:

Canvas Size___Strands in Yarn or Floss________Needle Size
12____________8 to 10 floss or perle size 3____18
14____________6 to 9 floss or perle size 3_____20 or 22
16____________4 to 7 floss or perle size 5_____22
18____________3 to 5 floss or perle size 5_____22 or 24
22____________3 or 4 floss or perle size 8_____24 or 26
24____________2 or 3 floss or perle size 8_____26

I break the rules a bit and prefer an 18 canvas with 6 strand embroidery thread for needlepoint (petitpoint since it's smaller than ordinary needlepoint). It ends up a tightish fit, but never leaves any spots where the canvas can be seen through. I'm supposed to be using 16 size canvas, but oh well.

As for the basics on how to needlepoint, I'm sure there are sites online that teach it, but I've not gone looking. Both needlepoint and cross-stitch are easy to learn. I prefer needlepoint as it needs only half the work compared to cross-stitch (where each stitch is a double one).
I think it's time for you to do your part to combat sexism! You must open a school to teach needlepoint and only allow men to enroll. We have a lawyer here somewhere who will assist you should any women feel hard done by and sue you.

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KiwiInOz wrote:
ERV wrote:
I suppose there are some irregular Oreos left.
Oreos are quite over rated, in the humble opinion of this antipodean.

Tim tams aren't bad.

But you can't beat the humble Krispie.

uh oh biscuit pissing contest ahead


these are my everyday biscuits
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these are awfully sweet, but quite good once in a while:
http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/ ... =267478555

oreos are dreadful, just like bad coffee

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Reap, I'm waiting for your call, bitch! I'm not staying up past 11PM EST (okay midnight).

Anyone else who wants to call (Skype ID: buddhaglass) while I'm waiting, feel free.


DAMN THAT DANCING TURD!

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JAB wrote:
Scented Nectar wrote:
Thanks! There's probably lots of sites that will teach you the basics, plus if you need supplies, there is a place I'm going to try getting supplies from next time I do one, and that's
http://www.herrschners.com/default.aspx (US site)
http://www.herrschners.ca/dept/crosssti ... ework.aspx (Canadian site)

Here's a guide to what size canvases (eg; 18 means there are 18 stitches to the inch), go with what size flosses/yarn (how many strands thick they are), and what size needles they go with:

Canvas Size___Strands in Yarn or Floss________Needle Size
12____________8 to 10 floss or perle size 3____18
14____________6 to 9 floss or perle size 3_____20 or 22
16____________4 to 7 floss or perle size 5_____22
18____________3 to 5 floss or perle size 5_____22 or 24
22____________3 or 4 floss or perle size 8_____24 or 26
24____________2 or 3 floss or perle size 8_____26

I break the rules a bit and prefer an 18 canvas with 6 strand embroidery thread for needlepoint (petitpoint since it's smaller than ordinary needlepoint). It ends up a tightish fit, but never leaves any spots where the canvas can be seen through. I'm supposed to be using 16 size canvas, but oh well.

As for the basics on how to needlepoint, I'm sure there are sites online that teach it, but I've not gone looking. Both needlepoint and cross-stitch are easy to learn. I prefer needlepoint as it needs only half the work compared to cross-stitch (where each stitch is a double one).
I think it's time for you to do your part to combat sexism! You must open a school to teach needlepoint and only allow men to enroll. We have a lawyer here somewhere who will assist you should any women feel hard done by and sue you.
Finally an opportunity for a worthwhile contribution. I look forward to my new client: The Scenty Needlepoint School for Men

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ERV wrote: *SIGH*

You have TWO options. Crab Juice or Mountain Dew.

pssssst- I have PG Tips hidden away

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sacha wrote:
ERV wrote: *SIGH*

You have TWO options. Crab Juice or Mountain Dew.

pssssst- I have PG Tips hidden away
Oh, you see how she is totally ignoring me?

Show's off folks.

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Mykeru wrote:
sacha wrote:
ERV wrote: *SIGH*

You have TWO options. Crab Juice or Mountain Dew.

pssssst- I have PG Tips hidden away
Oh, you see how she is totally ignoring me?

Show's off folks.
needy and sensitive today, are we? let me know when you are off the rag.

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Gumby wrote:
JackRayner wrote: Did the mom tell him to go shoot all of those people? I honestly haven't kept up with the story....
Laden's "argument" is that the murdered mother is just as much a murderer of those children as her her son because he used guns she owned.
Accessory after the fact, maybe, but not a murderer, although that is apparently rather academic now. But dogmatists tend not to worry about those minor distinctions and details ….

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sacha wrote:
Mykeru wrote:
sacha wrote:
pssssst- I have PG Tips hidden away
Oh, you see how she is totally ignoring me?

Show's off folks.
needy and sensitive today, are we? let me know when you are off the rag.
Pwned.

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sacha wrote:
needy and sensitive today, are we? let me know when you are off the rag.
You seem to have confused me with a fanboy. I have a better idea.

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AndrewV69 wrote:As you guys know, I am a "really for reals" MRA not a make believe one that the baboons like to characterize the whole lot of you as.
Shocking! Only in Canada, you say?! Next you’ll be telling us that you eat babies – for breakfast. :-)
I do not normally mention my activism much here …. I just scored a big one with my Jehovah Witness couple. …. I have also exchanged information with a member of the UK Islamic community concerning the same subjects. ….
Politics and strange bedfellows …. You are, of course, entitled to do whatever you want in that regard and I tend to be somewhat sympathetic to accommodationist stances. But also I tend to draw the line with dogmatists in general, religious-literalist ones in particular. Somewhat apropos, I happened to run across a relevant factoid in that Pew Forum report I just quoted from:
Jehovah's Witnesses have the lowest retention rate of any religious tradition. Only 37% of all those who say they were raised as Jehovah's Witnesses still identify themselves as Jehovah's Witnesses.

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Meanwhile, back to shit that matters even less than my hypothetical tampon use:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8342/8280 ... 71cfc7.jpg

Translation:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyagc ... o1_500.gif

Greggy's riding the crazy train again.

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Mykeru wrote:Meanwhile, back to shit that matters even less than my hypothetical tampon use:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8342/8280 ... 71cfc7.jpg
He is a loser. What, exactly, do you think he would be doing with his waking hours if it wasnt for his internet drama?

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Sleeper wrote:I don't give a damn who 'greg laden' is or what he says. He is entitled to his opinion.

I thought the fact that this woman had a glock with an extended mag that holds 33 bullets and had a semi automatic assault rifle was fucked up. But I am Canadian and that kind of shit just isn't reality here. I also immediately thought that she may well be culpable for her sons horrific acts.

I am sure after all the mental issues and personality disorders she new he struggled with, she regretted her attitude towards guns during the last few seconds of her life, when he pointed one of her/his guns at her face and pulled the trigger. And for those who want to say 'guns don't kill people'!? Fact: the gun murder rate in the US is 10 times higher than Canada per capita. THAT is an indicator of a system gone wrong...
In my household, we have about 15 different weapons. Why? A small portion to protect our house and home. A larger portion because both my guy and I are former military, police, and prison guards. My children have been exposed to weapons since the tender age of 8. They have been taught the horrible damage guns can cause and they've been taught how to properly handle a weapon. Not one single one of them has had the urge to pull out any weapon in our house and start a rampage.

If *any* one of my children begins to show any signs of a person who may need *any* sort of mental assistance, we will go above and beyond to ensure weapons are not available to them from this household.

I still stand by my stance that NO ONE knows exactly what went on in that household (Sandy Hook elementary massacre area) other than what has been hand fed by the media. Do not make presumptions based on shit all for knowledge.

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Steersman wrote:Politics and strange bedfellows …. You are, of course, entitled to do whatever you want in that regard and I tend to be somewhat sympathetic to accommodationist stances. But also I tend to draw the line with dogmatists in general, religious-literalist ones in particular. Somewhat apropos, I happened to run across a relevant factoid in that Pew Forum report I just quoted from:
Jehovah's Witnesses have the lowest retention rate of any religious tradition. Only 37% of all those who say they were raised as Jehovah's Witnesses still identify themselves as Jehovah's Witnesses.
As a MRA, I am gathering support for the MRM wherever I can find it.

In case you have missed it, a certain meme is busily engaged in attempting a takeover over of the Secular/Aethism movement. From what I see very few in the community are actually engaged in resisting despite the out there for all to see bat shit lunacy of some of the proponents.

BTW ... ask the Occupy Vancouver people how they feel about being taken over.

In any event, I will gather allies wherever I may find them. Sometimes you never know where you will find fertile ground unless you scatter your seeds upon it, and in my case since I am already involved in community activitys at the "grass roots" level, these are the fields I have chosen to sow.

As for your other observation, I would hazard a guess that it is a tough row to hoe if you are a JW:

http://christianity.about.com/od/jehova ... gelism.htm
Door to Door Evangelism Strategy Based on Repetition

Each Kingdom Hall, or Witness church, is assigned a territory. The strategy is to visit each house in a neighborhood several times a year. Meticulous records are kept on the number of conversations held, questions answered, and tracts distributed. By one estimate, Witnesses have to visit 740 households to make one convert.

In addition, Jehovah's Witnesses also print and distribute hundreds of millions of pieces of literature a year from their own printing plants around the world. According to the Watchtower Society, Witnesses spend over one billion hours each year proclaiming their message worldwide, baptizing more than 300,000 new members.
GTG ... oven beeping at me .. supper is salmon filets on a bed of rice and mixed veggies.

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ERV wrote:
Mykeru wrote:Meanwhile, back to shit that matters even less than my hypothetical tampon use:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8342/8280 ... 71cfc7.jpg
He is a loser. What, exactly, do you think he would be doing with his waking hours if it wasnt for his internet drama?
Entirely hypothetical because his sort of single-minded dedication to futile crazy must be extremely time-consuming.

His mental decline (assuming Laden wasn't always a mean little sociopathic bag of squirrel bait) must have been even faster than P.Z., but probably softened by the fact that he's apparently some sort of cultural anthropologist, so he didn't have that far to fall, having spent his mental energy learning the quasi-spiritual meaning in how newly studied Amazon tribes consisting of two dozen people are just all deep and shit because they roll and smoke their dead relatives.

He's like P.Z. in that he's another person who is such a miserable sack of shit that he has basically devoted his life to lying, trolling, slandering, harassing and generally making the world a little worse place. I say little not from lack of trying but, like everything else he does, he's pretty shit useless at that.

Personally, I would like to see Laden use his time in a way that might actually benefit humanity. Like base jumping, free cave diving or swimming with sharks after having a handful of Slim Jims shoved up his ass.

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Ophelia is again writing about the Michael Shermer debacle
I re-read some of Michael Shermer’s Why People Believe Weird Things this morning, to refresh my memory. I’ve read that and Why We Believe and the odd article here and there. I’ve never liked his writing much. It’s not bad, but it’s a little loose and lazy. Characterless. Journalistic.
I have never read any book by Shermer, but that comment about his writing sounded like a cheap shot not really related to the rest of the post.

I was interested to see that chapter 7 is titled Epidemics of Accusations: Medieval and Modern Witch Crazes. The modern ones are the panics about “Satanic” abuse in the 1980s and about “recovered memory” in the 90s

(...)

While re-reading that chapter I became quite…annoyed that Shermer had accused me of witch hunting. He compared me to people who put innocent people in prison on the basis of absurd beliefs.

Think about it. I said he had perpetuated an insulting stereotype about women by saying that wanting to stand up and speak about atheism and be intellectually active about it was “more a guy thing.” He said I was a witch hunter.

Not quite proportionate.
If Ophelia were religious, she would probably be one of those who believe every word in the bible is literal (a literalist? I'm not sure if that's a real word).

Because Shermer was obviously accusing her of being a person who would burn people at the stake after torturing them to get a confession, right?

Let's see what the dick-tionary (thefreedictionary.com this time) says about witch hunt:
witch-hunt also witch hunt (wchhnt)
n.
An investigation carried out ostensibly to uncover subversive activities but actually used to harass and undermine those with differing views.
and Wikipedia tells us in the disambiguation page for "Witch Hunt" :
Moral panic, often metaphorically known as a witch hunt
Apparently she doesn't do metaphors.

She's now looking for any way she can be offended, and milking the situation for all she can. Shermer seems to have moved on and almost forgotten about the "sexist" thing, which probably offends her the most.

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Altair wrote:Ophelia is again writing about the Michael Shermer debacle
I re-read some of Michael Shermer’s Why People Believe Weird Things this morning, to refresh my memory. I’ve read that and Why We Believe and the odd article here and there. I’ve never liked his writing much. It’s not bad, but it’s a little loose and lazy. Characterless. Journalistic.
I have never read any book by Shermer, but that comment about his writing sounded like a cheap shot not really related to the rest of the post.
Yes, and now in keeping with the "what matters is who said it " rule, after Shermer got on Opie's bad side, she will now go back and read all the books he's written and decide, on second thought, he sucks.

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Rystefn wrote:
Skep tickle wrote:
Rystefn wrote: Since murder is a legal issue, not a moral or ethical one (at least, not beyond the morals/ethics of breaking the law), and I'm the first to say that when they law is wrong, you shouldn't follow it... Yeah, I guess that means that, in the right (wrong?) circumstances, I would be pro-murder. As a general rule, though, I'm against it.
"Murder" not a moral or ethical issue? Do say a bit more re this position.
As noted above, "murder" is a legal term. The short version is that murder means killing a person when it is not legal to do so. Nothing more, nothing less. Hypothetically, any situation could be imagined wherein killing a person would be either legal or illegal changing nothing about it except the local law. The only moral/ethical aspect that could possibly be influenced by that change are the morals/ethics intrinsic to following or breaking the law.
Hm. Yeah. That ain't so bad.

A law saying when killing is justified and when it isn't is relative, after all. I guess my distinction between murder and killing wasn't as clear-cut as I thought it would be... :think:

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For the record Reap Paden is not my bitch.

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Walter Ego wrote:For the record Reap Paden is not my bitch.
For the record, reports of my being anyone's bitch have been greatly exaggerated.

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Walter Ego wrote:For the record Reap Paden is not my bitch.
Then you're his, right?

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Mykeru wrote:
Walter Ego wrote:For the record Reap Paden is not my bitch.
For the record, reports of my being anyone's bitch have been greatly exaggerated.
From what I hear, sacha has you on a short leash.

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Steersman wrote:
JackRayner wrote:Thanks to d4m10n [the issue understanding hypocrisy] I don't feel like the only asshole carrying on a pointless exchange. [hankey]
As somewhat of an aside, why? Because you think he isn’t “seeing the light” on the question of hypocrisy? Or that you agree that Myers wasn’t hypocritical?
I am in disagreeance with d4m10n, but was poking fun at myself for dragging on an exchange that others had tired of long ago.
But, in any case, I don’t see that you were “carrying on a pointless exchange” with welch. While I think that it shows some evidence of a being a pissing contest in which you both seem to be evenly matched in terms of volume and force – even if it is decidedly moot if that is the case from the perspective of consistency, coherence and cogency – I think you both bring out some good points. But as I too have somewhat of a dog in this fight, I think it might be worthwhile to attempt to see some common ground, even if obliquely.

For instance, it seems to me that you’re correct to argue, apparently, that there are some basic limitations with what one can do with the rather blunt instrument of promulgating more laws. If the people aren’t behind the principle then the only consequence will be to create criminals and to provide a free-lunch for those who would cater to those desires. Prohibition being a case in point as is the current “war on drugs”. While one can make a case, although not a particularly water-tight one, that the social costs of those laws are less than the consequences of not having them, it doesn’t take much effort to see cases where, arguably, the cure is very much worse than the disease. Examples abound, but I think that the US prison population is particularly relevant – a population which has increased by over 400% since 1980 when that war on drugs first got traction. Somewhat interestingly I note that one site argues that while atheists comprise 8 to 16 percent of the general population, they comprise less than a quarter of one percent of that in prison.

However, on the other hand, I think welch and others are correct to suggest that there’s a “systemic” problem, some very problematic toxicity in society itself, that can be addressed to some extent by laws, but which, I think, requires some serious soul searching on the part of society in general. You might want to review a recent post by Skep tickle, notably an included quote of another blogger:
It’s a special kind of crazy when a bunch of kids get shot
When it’s labeled mental illness… and it’s not.
It’s a part of human nature we find frightening, and thus
We will do our best to label it… “not us.”
There are parts of our society which all could shoulder blame
But we’d rather hold responsible… one name.
We could build a safer culture, but you see, the trouble is
We deny that it’s our problem… cos it’s his.
As for the roots of that problem, I expect there are more than a few but one of biggies is, I think, something that might be called the culture of the gun in which America seems to have somewhat of a unique history. Whether it’s the Gunfight at the OK Corral, or High Noon, or 3:10 to Yuma, one might reasonably argue that there is a corresponding and underlying mythos and ethos that informs if not constrains and directs some very problematic social behaviour patterns. For instance, I remember seeing recently some fMRI studies of young men engaged in first-person type shooter games, and the researchers argued in consequence, I think, that such games tended to be addictive and to promote aggressive forms of behaviour outside of the actual playing of those games. Probably not surprising in light of Justin Vacula’s recent post of some rabid if not totally demented game players, and in light of studies of rats who will, if given the opportunity, either die of starvation or overdose on feeding themselves shots of heroin or cocaine.

And as for other roots to the problem, one might also argue that that one is typical or paradigmatic, that it is suggestive of or leads to increasing ghettoization of one type or another with all of the problems that that brings – particularly in light of increasing disparities in income even in America itself.
So in less words, you think the issue is complex and multidimensional? If so, I'd agree.

[Though I must add that have a ton of skepticism of these 'studies' that link aggression to videogames/whatever other media. Videogames are becoming more and more popular everyday, and yet crime is on the decline? The question I would pose is, does the culture created the media, or does the media create the culture? My hunch is that it is the former, not the latter, though the media certainly add to it.]

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KiwiInOz wrote:
Mykeru wrote:
Walter Ego wrote:For the record Reap Paden is not my bitch.
For the record, reports of my being anyone's bitch have been greatly exaggerated.
From what I hear, sacha has you on a short leash.
And that's what you get for listening to Sacha.

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I see a lot of familiar names on this forum, and I understand it has something to do with kicking the shit out of the hideous tumor that is Peezus, Twatson, FtB, and A+.

If that's the case then count me in.

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Altair wrote:Ophelia is again writing about the Michael Shermer debacle
I re-read some of Michael Shermer’s Why People Believe Weird Things this morning, to refresh my memory. I’ve read that and Why We Believe and the odd article here and there. I’ve never liked his writing much. It’s not bad, but it’s a little loose and lazy. Characterless. Journalistic.
Yeah, crappy book. Only sold like hundreds of thousands of copies. Was so successful the first go-round the publisher invested in re-releasing it. But its total shit. It had ZERO chapters on dog nudity or dog penii. ZERO. Pffffff 'journalistic' at BEST*.

All those assholes do is rip down people who are more talented and more successful than themselves.

LOSERS.


* Journalistic is an insult? Wat?

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ReneeHendricks wrote:
Gumby wrote:No, Greg Laden's not trying to poison the well...

http://i.imgur.com/7SVt4.jpg

What a shitstain.
I hadn't even realized he responded, albeit in the shittiest way possible. So, I take it from his response, he stands by his assessment - an assessment, I might add, that is made without even knowing a damned thing about this woman other than what has been shoveled into our heads by the media? Yeah. He just screams scientist/skeptic to me, don't know 'bout you all.

Just invite greg to be on ur podcast, the minute he has to back up his words with real talk he turns into a snail in a salt pile...nothing he says is worth shit

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Thanks for the donation from NC.

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Walter Ego wrote:For the record Reap Paden is not my bitch.
Yea i'd like to second that. I dont make a good bitch. I tend to lash out. I'd be happy to demonstrate as/if needed

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ERV wrote: He is a loser. What, exactly, do you think he would be doing with his waking hours if it wasnt for his internet drama?
Found a photo of Laden working his social networking magic:

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Re: MRA community outreach in Religion

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AndrewV69 wrote: MRA Community Outreach Progress Report:

I just scored a big one with my Jehovah Witness couple...
*Sigh* I just came home from having dinner at my sister's place. She's a JW. The same with everyone else she invited. Seriously, I fucking hate when they start trying to "witness" to me. Here's my issue;

Don't know if y'all are aware, but JW's are kind of cultish, which means the congregation can order you to stop associating with certain individuals if they believe it might be detrimental to your faith. This sister has kids that I care about, [Cute. I know. I care about my nephews...] and she's not so horrible either, so I try to avoid the subject because I don't want to be barred from hanging out with them every once in a while. Because of this, I essentially avoid the subject, and brush it off when it comes up. Fucking tonight, one of my cousins [who lived a life of crime his whole youth and only recently "saw the light" and converted, so he is particularly pious and pushy] started trying to witness to me. It was the typical apologetics that I've learned to dismantle with ease the past few years, but not in fucking Spanish, so I stumbled a bit with my words, since [even though Spanish is my native language] English is the language I've been doing it all in.

Even on topics that I know like the back of my hand, like art or firearm functionality, I'll get going and then go "Um....[FUCK! How do you say that word in Spanish?!]......" It works out when it's my mother I'm speaking to, but it doesn't quite work out when an asshole just asked me to name a single contradiction in the bible. He's not going to be as eager to give me a hand when I can't remember what the fuck they call "Luke" in Spanish, for example.

He left me alone after a while, probably after he noticed that he wasn't getting through and that I was just becoming annoyed at both my difficulty translating things I've only learned in English, and the silly examples for evidence of god that he kept bringing up [Seriously, he asked "Where does our Sun get its energy from?" FUSION, asshole!], but goddammit! :evil:

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dmwalker24 wrote:I see a lot of familiar names on this forum, and I understand it has something to do with kicking the shit out of the hideous tumor that is Peezus, Twatson, FtB, and A+.

If that's the case then count me in.
Welcome! Put on your work shoes and kick away.

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@franc Ms. Myers' (what an unfortunate name for her) art looks really nice. I don't think a 3rd grader could produce that like other people's "artwork". Too bad she got bullied by the nasties, happens more often than we know probably. I particularly like the owl necklace, some others here may too.

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ERV wrote:
Altair wrote:Ophelia is again writing about the Michael Shermer debacle
I re-read some of Michael Shermer’s Why People Believe Weird Things this morning, to refresh my memory. I’ve read that and Why We Believe and the odd article here and there. I’ve never liked his writing much. It’s not bad, but it’s a little loose and lazy. Characterless. Journalistic.
Yeah, crappy book. Only sold like hundreds of thousands of copies. Was so successful the first go-round the publisher invested in re-releasing it. But its total shit. It had ZERO chapters on dog nudity or dog penii. ZERO. Pffffff 'journalistic' at BEST*.

All those assholes do is rip down people who are more talented and more successful than themselves.

LOSERS.


* Journalistic is an insult? Wat?


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Mykeru wrote:
dmwalker24 wrote:I see a lot of familiar names on this forum, and I understand it has something to do with kicking the shit out of the hideous tumor that is Peezus, Twatson, FtB, and A+.

If that's the case then count me in.
Welcome! Put on your work shoes and kick away.
I was just reviewing your video catalog. Your analysis of Watson as a sociopath made my evening. They are the worst kind of disingenuous scum, these A+'ers. Well, I hope I can provide something of value in putting an end to this bullshit.

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JackRayner wrote:
AndrewV69 wrote: MRA Community Outreach Progress Report:

I just scored a big one with my Jehovah Witness couple...
*Sigh* I just came home from having dinner at my sister's place. She's a JW. The same with everyone else she invited. Seriously, I fucking hate when they start trying to "witness" to me...
By the way, my rant is essentially unrelated to your association with these folk. It was just that the mention of Jehovah's Witnesses set me off since my most recent encounter was still fresh as fuck.

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Altair wrote:Ophelia is again writing about the Michael Shermer debacle

(Edited out)

Apparently she doesn't do metaphors.

She's now looking for any way she can be offended, and milking the situation for all she can. Shermer seems to have moved on and almost forgotten about the "sexist" thing, which probably offends her the most.
Ophelia saying that anyone else is a bad writer is the extreme case of pot calling the the kettle black. Considering a lot of her posts are links to someone else with a note like "read this", she has no reason to comment on anyone else's writing.

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Reap wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:
Gumby wrote:No, Greg Laden's not trying to poison the well...

http://i.imgur.com/7SVt4.jpg

What a shitstain.
I hadn't even realized he responded, albeit in the shittiest way possible. So, I take it from his response, he stands by his assessment - an assessment, I might add, that is made without even knowing a damned thing about this woman other than what has been shoveled into our heads by the media? Yeah. He just screams scientist/skeptic to me, don't know 'bout you all.

Just invite greg to be on ur podcast, the minute he has to back up his words with real talk he turns into a snail in a salt pile...nothing he says is worth shit
So, I take it he's not going to be on your podcast? I (honestly) would have loved to hear him try to explain himself somewhere where he can't control the editing or banning. Would he have tried to ban you from your own podcast?

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Altair wrote:Because Shermer was obviously accusing her of being a person who would burn people at the stake after torturing them to get a confession, right?
That's not the case she's trying to make, or at least it's not how I read her post. Instead, it seems that her reasoning is going in these kind of lines:
1. Look, here's Shermer writing about a modern witch hunt in his book, where people got sent to jail based on fairy tales.
2. Shermer accused me of conducting a with hunt!
3. (1)+(2) means he's implying that I'm doing something as shitty as sending people to jail with fabricated evidence! That's completely rubbish, I'm not doing anything nearly as bad.
4. Actually, I'm trying to help and fix the problem.
5. Since Shermer is rejecting this help, it means he want to keep skepticism as a white boys club.

(6. From (3) and (5), we can draw the conclusion that Shermer is a bad person.)

Of course, her post is still stupid as hell. She's actually gone and dug up a completely unrelated book, written by Shermer 10 years ago, where he talks about a modern witch hunt, and then tries to twist the tale into Shermer using that same implications when he accuses her of conducting a witch hunt.
Because when he's using the phrase "witch hunt", he obviously didn't mean to simply use the known English phrase "witch hunt", with a meaning everyone know and recognize. Nope, instead he actually meant to imply that her behavior was just as bad as those that sent innocent men to prison based on fantasy evidence. Because he 10 years ago wrote about a modern witch hunt where that happened...

Though, personally, even if Ophelia's incompetent reasoning was actually correct, I still think Shermer use of witch hunt would be justified. The way I see it, what's limiting the effects and damages on those the FTBers brand the "witch of the week" is their authority and power, not their desires. If PZ and the rest had actual power, I don't doubt for a second that they would throw people in prison. Maybe not at the start, but damn quick.

Btw, it's quite funny that Ophelia brings up the SRA madness from the 80s/90s, considering that much of it, at least here in Sweden, were a result of radical feminists going bat shit insane. Even quite recently, there were Swedish "elite feminists", high up with powerful political connections, that believe that the satanic cults, with rich and powerful men, were or had conducted ritualistic child sacrifices and pedophilia...
The documentary "Könskriget" (the Gender war) was made 2005, and highlighted among other things, this issue. Here's a short clip from the first part, where the main topic was the case of a women being "rescued" from these Satanist cults by the women network "Bellas Vänner" (Bella's Freinds), which turned really ugly and the women was more or less abused by her feminist rescuers.

The one at first 40 sec, who acts like a true conspiracy theory nutjob, is Ireen von Wachenfeldt, which at the time was the chairman for the Swedish National Women Shelter Organization (ROKS):
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Later on in the documentary she went on to quote Valeri Solanas' Scum with "men are animals", something she had to apologize for in national media... only to a while later take it back, explaining that "I should've said that men are worse than animals".

Last 1½-2 mins is Gunilla Ekberg, at the time working at Sweden’s Ministry of Industry as an expert on prostitution, which in the end explains that the woman making the documentary should not expect to receive any help at a women shelters, since she's a (gender) traitor.

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Not two days after a re-posting of "da roolz", intended to make Jerry Coyne's website a place to civilized exchange of ideas, one of PZ's regulars displays the usual unreflective, reflexive disregard. And after registering disbelief, flounces, hopefully for good. I'm just posting this here as another example of a particularly vitriolic minion's overinflated self-worth, entitlement, and childishness. I immediately followed his flounce with an "Ahhh." which links to an appropriate video. Enjoy http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/images/sm ... opcorn.gif

The portion of the thread that resulted in the flounce: http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com ... ent-341466

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JackRayner wrote:Just out of curiosity, by a show of hands, is anyone here pro-murder*? Had the thought run across my mind that I maybe shouldn't assume everyone is against it.
That would be Sacha. She likes crows.

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dmwalker24 wrote:I see a lot of familiar names on this forum, and I understand it has something to do with kicking the shit out of the hideous tumor that is Peezus, Twatson, FtB, and A+.

If that's the case then count me in.
Welcome! Just don't try the coffee - it's awful.

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Mykeru wrote:Regarding Noel Plum's vid:

Obviously a lot of the obsession with invented "threats" and cleansing has to do will culling undesirables from conferences, which is all about protecting the standing of the status quo of the same goddamned incestuous clique of speakers that make every major skeptical conference an exercise in deja vu.
Michael J wrote:Australia banned automatic weapons about 15 years ago after a massacre in Tasmania. We haven't had a major massacre since. Yes you can get a weapon if you know where to look but the only bad guys that seem to have guns are Bikies and Mobsters who tend to shoot each other. The guy breaking into your house or robbing the local 7-11 tends to be unarmed.
Australia also has a population of only 22 million people most of which are Australians, who tend to be big pussies.

:whistle:
Both statements are as dumb as each other. For all the talk of skepticism being applied to feminism, I wonder how much the gun freaks would like genuine skepticism applied to their tried and tested "haha! gotcha!" proclamations. That goes double for the numbskulls in the prohibitionist camp. I mean really, some of the nonsense posted here... This was a cracker, using Puerto Rico as some kind of example justifying gun ownership. Yeah right. Puerto Rico and downtown Manhattan are identical in every aspect...

There is ZERO chance of a rational discussion EVER happening on this topic, let alone even handed skepticism. The salt in the wound is the passion that assumes people like me even remotely give a fuck. Make your own thread and fuck off. All of you, pro- and anti-.

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