If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

Pro-tip for cat in heat:

Grab neck skin, hold firmly, massage area between tail and anus, wait for meowgasm.

Should buy you 30 minutes/1 hour rest.

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:Pro-tip for cat in heat:

Grab neck skin, hold firmly, massage area between tail and anus, wait for meowgasm.

Should buy you 30 minutes/1 hour rest.

Be safe:

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d4m10n wrote:Seems to me that PZ has done and said enough worth criticizing that there is no need to also make things up that he might well do in some possible world and criticize those as well. Why not take him to task for things that he has really done?

PZ has labeled everyone here in the pit as MRAs or misogynists. He claims this forum is a "rebecca watson hate site" If that doesn't indicate a pattern of claiming even the slightest statement as misogyny then what would? He really has done that. Anyone who thinks it is unrealistic to assume PZ would not tear into another person who had behaved the way he did on stage is not paying attention. I don't think it's unreasonable to make this assumption based on PZ's actions/behavior. You may disagree but humor me and tell me what you think he would say if it was someone else in his place say franc, justin vacula, or mykeru.

Reap wrote:

d4m10n wrote:Seems to me that PZ has done and said enough worth criticizing that there is no need to also make things up that he might well do in some possible world and criticize those as well. Why not take him to task for things that he has really done?

PZ has labeled everyone here in the pit as MRAs or misogynists. He claims this forum is a "rebecca watson hate site" If that doesn't indicate a pattern of claiming even the slightest statement as misogyny then what would? He really has done that. Anyone who thinks it is unrealistic to assume PZ would not tear into another person who had behaved the way he did on stage is not paying attention. I don't think it's unreasonable to make this assumption based on PZ's actions/behavior. You may disagree but humor me and tell me what you think he would say if it was someone else in his place say franc, justin vacula, or mykeru.

Let me also remind you of what PZ stated just over a year before accusing us all of being like Marc Lepine -

The problem, as we’ve seen in online behavior by the self-centered pigs, is that there’s no shortage of men (and women!) willing to form a support group for misogyny and rape culture.

He called that post "Predators among us". Myers is as predictable as a tickle me Elmo doll.

You really still this naive d4m10n?

I, as others here do, feel inclined not to be inclined to give Myers any slack when it comes to "sexism".

"Trophy Wife" should be enough. "Science, it works, bitches" seals the deal. This latest video sinks the Titanic.

Could some of you guys please go debunk Adam Lee's "response" to Shermer on the Big Think blog? The man is insane, and he's getting a criticism-free pulpit at a well-reputed site

KiwiInOz wrote:

Brain Box wrote:JackRaynor said that trolling/internet harassment "wasn't of concern" and that while he didn't find it "morally positive" he didn't find it "morally negative" either. Since the purpose of trolling/harassment is to upset someone I would argue, logically, that such behavior is generally harmful and anti-social. As such, it cannot be considered morally neutral. Can this be agreed upon?

Ridiculing someones argument, tearing apart their irrational logic, etc. without resorting to demeaning personal attacks is not trolling and is completely legitimate.

I think that Jack is stating the Gen Y philosophical position known as Meh. That is, he is personally disinterested in the morals or otherwise of trolling. Having read a lot of Jack's writing here (and I am not speaking for him), I suspect that he would be quite happy with Your Mileage May Vary, rather than having a strong position on whether he was wrong or right.

That being said, I have no time for those who want to piss people off for the sake of pissing them off. So I agree with you on that.

Eh. I guess I can agree with your assessment on my attitude about trolling without needing to do much kicking and screaming. :whistle:

Another couple of thoughts on PZ's video at the conference...

1. The one adjective that would best describe him in this performance is "creepy". Didn't that become reason for banning from conferences back when they were dissing monopod guy?

2. Fantasy time... I'm having an inordinately fun time imagining how this whole scene would have played out if he'd unknowingly called sacha up to the stage and she went.

Concerned wrote:Could some of you guys please go debunk Adam Lee's "response" to Shermer on the Big Think blog? The man is insane, and he's getting a criticism-free pulpit at a well-reputed site

Where is the "Think Big" blog? Linky?

Reap wrote:

d4m10n wrote:Seems to me that PZ has done and said enough worth criticizing that there is no need to also make things up that he might well do in some possible world and criticize those as well. Why not take him to task for things that he has really done?

PZ has labeled everyone here in the pit as MRAs or misogynists. He claims this forum is a "rebecca watson hate site" If that doesn't indicate a pattern of claiming even the slightest statement as misogyny then what would? He really has done that. Anyone who thinks it is unrealistic to assume PZ would not tear into another person who had behaved the way he did on stage is not paying attention. I don't think it's unreasonable to make this assumption based on PZ's actions/behavior. You may disagree but humor me and tell me what you think he would say if it was someone else in his place say franc, justin vacula, or mykeru.

Well, there's a simple explanation for P.Z. Meyer's modus operanti with is encapsulated by the term-of-art "making shit up". Part of this is that all information he gets nowadays is through the communual reinforced echo chamber he exists in and maintains by blocking, banning and otherwise sticking his fingers in his ears when he hears anything he doesn't like. The whole Atheism Plus working model is built around massive multiplayer confirmation bias.

But mostly, he needs enemies, even if he has to invent them, put words in existing people's mouths or allude to various outrages without ever actually linking to them. Anyone who P.Z. Meyers thinks might disagree with him (which isn't the same as actual concrete points of disagreement) is the other.

Thing is, there's something seriously wrong with Meyers. Even someone who believed twice the erroneous crap he does would realize that running a little internet fiefdom filled with 20-something twits and ruling it like the Squire of Gothos on a sugar high isn't going to do much for his social standing with professional adults in academia. One can just imagine what his colleagues are saying when he isn't in the lunchroom.

I mean, P.Z. And Opie Benson and the like love to go on and on about how hateful and rage-filled their critics are, but we really aren't. Maybe a year ago when there might have been hope of getting through to these people there might have been some "frustrated with the willfully dense" conversations, sort of like we would have with Damien if we still took him seriously. At this point though, it's all mockery. The only way anyone would actually hate or be rage-filled with Meyers and the bunch would be by taking them seriously, which no one does. THe only anger that creeps in is when those who know the least about everything that has transpired don't know enough to know no one takes them seriously, such as the editors of Slate. Although, they are probably just cynical rather than clueless.

Point is, all the "porcupine up your ass" rage has come from that camp. Especially from P.Z. Meyers. I can't say I have a clue about P.Z. Meyer's motives and whether his plumbing isn't working and he has to make his wife stand on her head and drop it in, whether some sort of sense of personal or professional failure drives him, or whether he needs more Loc-Tite on his mental screws, but doing what P.Z. does apparently fills a deep need to lash out, slap down, bludgeon people and just throw his anger and contempt around. A normal human being, and apparently one with as little time on his hands as P.Z. claims, wouldn't lovingly maintain his dungeon and lie so gleefully about people who don't live on his shrinking ground and especially about MRA. In fact, as has been pointed out, his painting MRAs as every stereotype of the reactionary woman-hating Morlock male, and almost entirely without reason, is protesting way too much. He absolutely never links to the vile sort of misogyny he claims is coming from the MRA camp and, when he does, he points to some bottom-feeding comment that, for all we know, he wrote himself...hmmn.

That P.Z. Meyer's thinking has become so insular, endlessly sniping at enemies with no real external referent demonstrates not only someone just going bat-shit nuts, but doing it while arguing with his own personal demons.

In short, Meyers is a sick fuck. No one takes him seriously, and now that he has thrown it all away to vent, he's not going to get much better because the more his standing falls, they more he will be waging a no-prisoners war of attrition with the imaginary monsters in the closet between his own ears.

Some people wage that internal war under the cover of various forms of externalized hate. P.Z. has managed to do it through the conceit of being a Social Justice Warrior.

Then we wonder in vain what P.Z. Meyers is getting out of all this. The problem is, whatever he is getting out of it is entirely emotive and makes no rational sense.

JAB wrote:Another couple of thoughts on PZ's video at the conference...

1. The one adjective that would best describe him in this performance is "creepy".

Indeed. But also, don't for get PZ is a "potential rapist" and, according to his logic and his insane asshat Baboon network, is racist. Yes, I agree PZ is a fucking creep, but most of all he's a pus-filled wankstain.

JAB wrote:2. Fantasy time... I'm having an inordinately fun time imagining how this whole scene would have played out if he'd unknowingly called sacha up to the stage and she went.

Oh, I would have PAID to have seen that. Of course, I'm not sure whether Sacha would want to share a stage with such a complete dickhead as PZ.

Here you go Tuvok, linky:

http://bigthink.com/daylight-atheism/di ... el-shermer

Mykeru wrote:Point is, all the "porcupine up your ass" rage has come from that camp. Especially from P.Z. Meyers.

Apropos of porcupines, it is probably even nastier than you thought to get one up your ass:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notro ... difficulty

Jan Steen wrote:

Mykeru wrote:Point is, all the "porcupine up your ass" rage has come from that camp. Especially from P.Z. Meyers.

Apropos of porcupines, it is probably even nastier than you thought to get one up your ass:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notro ... difficulty

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notro ... quills.jpg

Well, no shit.

Jan Steen wrote:

Mykeru wrote:Point is, all the "porcupine up your ass" rage has come from that camp. Especially from P.Z. Meyers.

Apropos of porcupines, it is probably even nastier than you thought to get one up your ass:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notro ... difficulty

Sweet Jesus!....what a waste of perfectly good chicken. :cry:

I revamped my free needlework pattern site. All 1,744 patterns are now in pdf format.
http://scentednectar.blogspot.ca/2012/1 ... s-for.html

And yeah, I know needlepoint and cross-stitch are more of a gal thing, but EVERYONE'S welcome to stitch these. :P

sacha wrote:Lsuoma,
The PayPal donation button in US currency does nothing, it does not even try to leave this page. British pounds works fine, but I have US dollars in my account and I'd rather not be charged for conversion.

Thanks for pointing this out, sacha. Should be fixed now...

Mykeru wrote: Then we wonder in vain what P.Z. Meyers is getting out of all this. The problem is, whatever he is getting out of it is entirely emotive and makes no rational sense.

Clix 'n' bux, dude. Clix 'n' bux...

Concerned wrote:Could some of you guys please go debunk Adam Lee's "response" to Shermer on the Big Think blog? The man is insane, and he's getting a criticism-free pulpit at a well-reputed site

Nope. Despite my reputation as a rage-vibrating loose cannon that farts in elevators and knocks the softie cone out of the hands of toddlers and is far too licentious to really check hard for typos, I can be selective.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8068/8278 ... 01a6_z.jpg

See, this is what red-flags me that a venue isn't a level playing field. If a writer gets pissed at Shermer and rather than linking to Shermer's actual post they link to known delusional bullshit artist P.Z. Meyers, I give not so much as a tiny dry gerbil turd in support of that echo-chamber writer in the form of a comment.

That's also why I don't read FTB and certainly don't ever post a comment there.

Lsuoma wrote:

Mykeru wrote: Then we wonder in vain what P.Z. Meyers is getting out of all this. The problem is, whatever he is getting out of it is entirely emotive and makes no rational sense.

Clix 'n' bux, dude. Clix 'n' bux...

Well, he thinks so maybe, but even that isn't rational. As Justicar has pointed out more than once, his readership and overall status has declined precipitously. He would have made more money if he had maintained the reputation of his site and finished his fucking book rather than minister to kiddies and sell shitty Peez-n-Ollie t-shirts

I really doubt there is a enough less-than-lotto money to make an egomaniac like Meyers to make a fool out of himself. Obviously, he hasn't figured out he's a laughingstock yet.

Jan Steen wrote:http://i.imgur.com/InuEC.jpg

[saying the following while pretending that you or I really care]

I think that red "T" should be fading into the light blue wall, and not to white. You must work on your Photoshop-jutsu, Jan-san!

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Speaking of, when did FTB update their site? I think their new logo works well enough, though I wondered where the F was for about a second. Certainly seems like it was given a little more effort than the "A+" they straight up stole from Dawkins...

JackRayner wrote:

Jan Steen wrote:http://i.imgur.com/InuEC.jpg

[saying the following while pretending that you or I really care]

I think that red "T" should be fading into the light blue wall, and not to white. You must work on your Photoshop-jutsu, Jan-san!

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Speaking of, when did FTB update their site? I think their new logo works well enough, though I wondered where the F was for about a second. Certainly seems like it was given a little more effort than the "A+" they straight up stole from Dawkins...

I still think it looks like a defective tampon in the middle of the logo.

The 2011 WCOA "Assholes of the Year" award

[youtube]wtNmvuj4p70[/youtube]

ReneeHendricks wrote:

JackRayner wrote:I think their new logo works well enough, though I wondered where the F was for about a second. Certainly seems like it was given a little more effort than the "A+" they straight up stole from Dawkins...

I still think it looks like a defective tampon in the middle of the logo.

:lol:

I don't think it comes close to being as bad as some of these classics though;

http://www.thelogofactory.com/logo_blog ... -logos.jpg

justinvacula wrote:http://i.imgur.com/1SIYG.jpg

http://goo.gl/SCniN

JackRayner wrote: I think that red "T" should be fading into the light blue wall, and not to white. You must work on your Photoshop-jutsu, Jan-san!

Did you ever see a blue tampon?

Apropos of nothing, here's an episode of Spongebob run through an algorithm duplicating P.Z. Meyer's brain with a Brownian subroutine:

[youtube]c0-3acYotCc[/youtube]

Disregard that last post. I got the MOTHERFUCKING YEAR WRONG! Ha ha ha ha! Reposted, here's the link for the

WCOA 2012 Assholes of the Year

[youtube]56Wdgw2F64Q[/youtube]

justinvacula wrote:http://i.imgur.com/1SIYG.jpg

Well isn't Julian the delicate little flower.

d4m10n wrote:Seems to me that PZ has done and said enough worth criticizing that there is no need to also make things up that he might well do in some possible world and criticize those as well. Why not take him to task for things that he has really done?

OK, I'll bite, who has been making things up? People are talking about what happens on the video, they aren't claiming that PZ meant the proposition seriously (on the other hand, some would say that intent isn't magic :whistle: )

As for the ethical gulf between PZ's poker act and EG, I don't think either committed any real wrong (must be my hatred blinding me), BUT it's worth noting that under the proposed harassment policies that allow 'flirting' but prohibit 'uninvited sexual comments', one of them was arguably out of line (hint: not EG)

Al Stefanelli wrote:The 2011 WCOA "Assholes of the Year" award

[fooltube]wtNmvuj4p70[/fooltube]

That didn't last long, did it?

Lsuoma wrote:

Al Stefanelli wrote:The 2011 WCOA "Assholes of the Year" award

[fooltube]wtNmvuj4p70[/fooltube]

That didn't last long, did it?

Try this one:

[youtube]56Wdgw2F64Q[/youtube]

Jan Steen wrote:

JackRayner wrote: I think that red "T" should be fading into the light blue wall, and not to white. You must work on your Photoshop-jutsu, Jan-san!

Did you ever see a blue tampon?

Didn't Picasso have a blue period?

Fuck Greg Laden. http://beliefblower.com/fuck-you-Greg-Laden

That is all.

windy wrote:
As for the ethical gulf between PZ's poker act and EG, I don't think either committed any real wrong (must be my hatred blinding me), BUT it's worth noting that under the proposed harassment policies that allow 'flirting' but prohibit 'uninvited sexual comments', one of them was arguably out of line (hint: not EG)

Did they publish a manual on how to tell the difference? Is there an app for this?

Jan Steen wrote:

JackRayner wrote: I think that red "T" should be fading into the light blue wall, and not to white. You must work on your Photoshop-jutsu, Jan-san!

Did you ever see a blue tampon?

You win the entire internet.

Thanks for the donation from TX.

No, Greg Laden's not trying to poison the well...

http://i.imgur.com/7SVt4.jpg

What a shitstain.

[quote="JackRayner"

You win the entire internet.[/quote]

Gumby wrote:No, Greg Laden's not trying to poison the well...

http://i.imgur.com/7SVt4.jpg

What a shitstain.

I hadn't even realized he responded, albeit in the shittiest way possible. So, I take it from his response, he stands by his assessment - an assessment, I might add, that is made without even knowing a damned thing about this woman other than what has been shoveled into our heads by the media? Yeah. He just screams scientist/skeptic to me, don't know 'bout you all.

Gumby wrote:No, Greg Laden's not trying to poison the well...

http://i.imgur.com/7SVt4.jpg

What a shitstain.

Did the mom tell him to go shoot all of those people? I honestly haven't kept up with the story....

Lsuoma wrote:

JackRayner wrote:
You win the entire internet.

wtbt.jpg

Does that...mean there are blue tampons?

I am SO confused right now... :|

ReneeHendricks wrote:

Gumby wrote:No, Greg Laden's not trying to poison the well...

http://i.imgur.com/7SVt4.jpg

What a shitstain.

I hadn't even realized he responded, albeit in the shittiest way possible. So, I take it from his response, he stands by his assessment - an assessment, I might add, that is made without even knowing a damned thing about this woman other than what has been shoveled into our heads by the media? Yeah. He just screams scientist/skeptic to me, don't know 'bout you all.

Not only that, which is horrible of course, but he intentionally took your disagreement with his calling the mother a murderer and twisted it into "Slymepit sides with spree shooter". Greg Laden is about the sickest fuck on the internet.

JackRayner wrote: Did the mom tell him to go shoot all of those people? I honestly haven't kept up with the story....

Laden's "argument" is that the murdered mother is just as much a murderer of those children as her her son because he used guns she owned.

Gumby wrote:No, Greg Laden's not trying to poison the well...

http://i.imgur.com/7SVt4.jpg

What a shitstain.

Utter scum.

Gumby wrote:

JackRayner wrote: Did the mom tell him to go shoot all of those people? I honestly haven't kept up with the story....

Laden's "argument" is that the murdered mother is just as much a murderer of those children as her her son because he used guns she owned.

Seriously? That doesn't even cross into murder by proxy territory. Weak!

justinvacula wrote:http://i.imgur.com/PwXZa.jpg

Joking about male genital mutilation is fine, but don't dare ever joke about rape!

HAHAHAHAHHAHA! Rebecca that is so funny!

Go stick a knife up your twat.*


*Now a Skepchick acceptable insult.

Gumby wrote:No, Greg Laden's not trying to poison the well...

http://i.imgur.com/7SVt4.jpg

What a shitstain.

I must have stepped in some Greg Laden, because the underside of my shoe is filthy.

On a completely different note, we've decided to create an actual website for Chill Girls in Pink Corvettes - http://chillgirlsinpinkcorvettes.com. I'm a developer and a site creator, not a designer so I'm waiting on input before it goes further. Just an FYI.

JackRayner wrote:

Gumby wrote:

JackRayner wrote: Did the mom tell him to go shoot all of those people? I honestly haven't kept up with the story....

Laden's "argument" is that the murdered mother is just as much a murderer of those children as her her son because he used guns she owned.

Seriously? That doesn't even cross into murder by proxy territory. Weak!

It makes about as much sense as blaming auto assembly line workers for deaths caused by car accidents.

Jan Steen wrote:

Gumby wrote:No, Greg Laden's not trying to poison the well...

http://i.imgur.com/7SVt4.jpg

What a shitstain.

I must have stepped in some Greg Laden, because the underside of my shoe is filthy.

Well, at least he's consistent. Consistently hypocritical, and consistent at devolving quickly to insults (and sometimes threats) when that's pointed out.

http://i.imgur.com/K1Oag.png

ReneeHendricks wrote:

Gumby wrote:No, Greg Laden's not trying to poison the well...

http://i.imgur.com/7SVt4.jpg

What a shitstain.

I hadn't even realized he responded, albeit in the shittiest way possible. So, I take it from his response, he stands by his assessment - an assessment, I might add, that is made without even knowing a damned thing about this woman other than what has been shoveled into our heads by the media? Yeah. He just screams scientist/skeptic to me, don't know 'bout you all.

What Laden does is victim blaming par excellence, especially on such a lack of information. What a frothed up batch of shit he is. I bet this horrible little man is now busy jumping up and down on his slightly-too-tiny-for-his-ass office chair, giggling "she had it coming, she had it coming" until the thermos jug he keeps by his desk is so full of piss that it needs its emptying for the day.

Skep tickle wrote:

Jan Steen wrote:

Gumby wrote:No, Greg Laden's not trying to poison the well...

http://i.imgur.com/7SVt4.jpg

What a shitstain.

I must have stepped in some Greg Laden, because the underside of my shoe is filthy.

Well, at least he's consistent. Consistently hypocritical, and consistent at devolving quickly to insults (and sometimes threats) when that's pointed out.

http://i.imgur.com/K1Oag.png

Hopefully someone will ask if Greg has threatened to beat up any soldiers lately. The tool becomes even more completely unhinged when anything with guns is involved.

And here's a display of his incisive analytic skills:

http://i.imgur.com/r18eq.png

I don't ever want to be seen as agreeing with someone like Laden, but I do have an issue with a woman who gives access to her son, with mental health issues, to four firearms/ammunition after she taught him how to shoot. That is a recipe for disaster. I have a son with similar issues and I would never have a gun in my house and if I did, it would be locked up like Fort Knox. I like guns, I'd like to be able to own and fire guns. I gave that up when my son was born. If I hadn't, me or someone I loved would be dead by now. There are places where you can store your guns safely away from a disturbed family member. If you can afford a $1000 rifle, you can afford to lock your guns up at a range. If she needs one gun for protection, get a trigger lock and keep the key/combo secure.

There is a reason why this Laden character was too poisonous even for FTB. He is a creature from the sewers of the internet.

mordacious1 wrote:I don't ever want to be seen as agreeing with someone like Laden, but I do have an issue with a woman who gives access to her son, with mental health issues, to four firearms/ammunition after she taught him how to shoot. That is a recipe for disaster. I have a son with similar issues and I would never have a gun in my house and if I did, it would be locked up like Fort Knox. I like guns, I'd like to be able to own and fire guns. I gave that up when my son was born. If I hadn't, me or someone I loved would be dead by now. There are places where you can store your guns safely away from a disturbed family member. If you can afford a $1000 rifle, you can afford to lock your guns up at a range. If she needs one gun for protection, get a trigger lock and keep the key/combo secure.

*Despite* this (and I'm not saying I entirely disagree), Greg Laden calling this woman a murderer is just plain asinine. Period.

JackRayner wrote:

Lsuoma wrote:

JackRayner wrote:
You win the entire internet.

wtbt.jpg

Does that...mean there are blue tampons?

I am SO confused right now... :|

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