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BarnOwl wrote:@ Dilurk -

Never been to a SF&F conference, but I've been to a few Renaissance Festivals/SCA events, lots of craft shows and folklife festivals, and scientific conferences, large and small, in my field(s). No problems with harassment myself at any of those, ever, so you're probably right - it's just not necessary to have an anti-harassment policy. All of the events I've attended have a male:female ratio that is better balanced than that of the atheists/skeptics etc. conferences, and all are more diverse in just about any category you care to choose. One of the things that strikes me about the photos and accounts of atheists/freethinkers meetings are how homogenous they appear to be. Apart from the fact that the attendees are predominantly female, the International Quilt Festival has more diversity, FFS.
I've made it to one or two Renaissance type events as well, craft fairs, and technical conferences. It is just not necessary to have an anti-harassment policy.
Hands down (hands off??) the most persistent and pervasive sexual harassment I've experienced has been in the workplace, particularly in hospitals (beginning at age 16) and medical schools (still happening, middle age). And these are places that have strongly-worded, supposedly progressive policies in place. Do they work? Not in my opinion or experience. An MD friend who now works in primary care was the only woman in her medical school (and probably the state, at the time) to be accepted into a general surgery residency. The Chief of Surgery called her "Dr. C***" every single day, several times a day, in front of other residents, medical students, OR staff, other surgeons, everybody. She persisted, and was a successful surgeon for many years, until all that time standing in the OR took a toll on her body. Makes Ophelia's paranoia and pearl-clutching seem utterly bathetic (and yes I mean the B not the p :mrgreen: ).
That has been my experience as well in my own field. It's the unspoken assumption that the poor woman is not going to be competent and the condescension begins. I hate that. It goes beyond the pale to see middle aged white men trying to tell me that they know better about what sexism is and being condescending towards women. FFS PZ, Laden listen to the womenz. If you want to help feminism, stop trying to help it.

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Saint N. wrote:Someone should mirror this before it disappears: (it's been flagged, so you need a youtube or gmail account to view).

Watson is the one filming, at about 0:50 we see how much of a problem she really has with sexual objectification at her own skeptic's convention.
I grabbed it, and in case it vanishes I will mirror it to my Youtube account. The baboons will no doubt go to great lengths to femsplain to everyone why this reeeaaaaalllly isn't sexual objectification, or degradation, because the guy was a willing participant or sumpin'. Then porcupines will be tossed, along with the usual hate language. However, even though the guy is obviously a willing participant, no doubt the baboons would go into hysterical convulsions if this scenario was changed to a video from TAM, with male attendees drinking shots from the cleavage of a bikini clad buxom model who was willingly participating. These people are hypocrites of the highest order. They don't give a shit about sexism, or equality.

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DownThunder wrote:
Dilurk wrote:Well, this is very interesting. It seems to me that Rachel's (formerly Zinnia), gf is an equity feminist. That's very different than the brand of feminism I am seeing from PZ/RW et. al.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/zinniajones ... ut-choice/

Interesting.
If its the same individual, you may wish to consider further evidence:



This heather character did not seem particularly reasonable to me then.
I don't see how you get that from that video off hand. Heather was challenged to do a video in Zinnia Jones style. Ok, so she is talking about a school of feminist thought, she never said she supported this school, she just talked about it and tried to define it. I found it just confirms what I have been saying about feminist schools of thought fighting tooth and nail with each other, Heather said that herself in the video-- some feminists despise the sex positive feminist school, why should we introduce their arguments into our community?

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Gumby wrote:These people are hypocrites of the highest order. They don't give a shit about sexism, or equality.
Tada of course they don't actually give a shit about sexism, it's just a drum for them to bang on for the chicks because it's the oly drum they have, and for asshats like pz cause it sells to his crazy mob..... And the bullshit that they will spout about the sexy wexy skepty chicitas, is it's adults having fun, and since it's females doing the naughty it's girl power, females pushing back against the patriachy, and other such absolute crap.

Whereas if it was me licking vodka of a stripper laying on a table, there would of course be screams of horror.

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Gumby wrote:The baboons will no doubt go to great lengths to femsplain to everyone why this reeeaaaaalllly isn't sexual objectification, or degradation, because the guy was a willing participant or sumpin'.
If I saw this happening in an afterparty or something like that I probably wouldn't personally give it a second thought (unless there was coercion going on with unwilling participants), but if I go by the standards they have set for sexual objectification (where simply observing something that seems like it could possibly be harassment warrants an intervention) I'm pretty sure they'd be in violation of the very policies they are trying to implement today. Therefore, if I take Watson's claim seriously that the skeptic/atheist community has a history of promoting an environment where the sexual objectification of attendees/participants is the norm, based on this video a case can be made that Watson (and skepchick) have in the past been willing participants in nourishing this sort of sexist environment, and are thereby a key source of the very problem they are rallying against today. But will she/they then take responsibility for the "unsafe" environment she/they have helped create at their own conferences? In the last 12 months, I have yet to see this happen, and if they do it as a response to the backlash now, I'm not impressed. Although all of this is dependent on whether or not I took their claims on the subject seriously. Either way, Watson is a hypocrite whose spearheading of any anti-objectification message is a joke.

(For the sake of preemptively clearing up any confusion about the dating of the event in the link, I should mention that the video is from 2009 (the first SkepchickCon), before elevatorgate; or 2 years B.E.G, if you will :D )

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Another example of mob bullying - http://www.smh.com.au/technology/techno ... 21sax.html

Yes she was an ignorant twit, and representative of a broad swathe of Gen Whateva, but ignorance is curable by asking stupid questions or doing research (just not on twitter).

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Saint N. wrote:Someone should mirror this before it disappears: (it's been flagged, so you need a youtube or gmail account to view).

Watson is the one filming, at about 0:50 we see how much of a problem she really has with sexual objectification at her own skeptic's convention.
No sign of a fainting couch in that room! Everybody's lovin' it!!! The more you hear about Queen Bee, the more validation there is that she is a hypocrite with a HUGE ego.

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More PZ bashing:
http://secularhumanist.blogspot.com/201 ... ar-on.html

Pz Quote from above article:
I have a different metaphor for us, my brothers and sisters in atheism. We are not sheep; there are no shepherds here. I look out from this stage and I see 4000 pairs of hunter’s eyes, 4000 hunter’s minds, 4000 pairs of hunter’s hands. I see the primeval primate hunting band grown large and strong. I see us so confident in our strength that we laugh at our enemies. I see a people thinking and planning, fierce and focused, learning and building new tools to conquer new worlds.

You are not sheep. You, my brothers and sisters in atheism, are a fierce, coordinated hunting pack — men and women working together, and those other bastards have cause to fear us. So let’s do it: make them tremble as we demolish the city of god.
So you don't see us as a herd of cats then Peezy? Lets rather go with the pack mentality because that always ends well. Absolutely no danger of mob hysteria then? Does anyone else suspect a vengeful nerd here?

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KiwiInOz wrote:Another example of mob bullying - http://www.smh.com.au/technology/techno ... 21sax.html

Yes she was an ignorant twit, and representative of a broad swathe of Gen Whateva, but ignorance is curable by asking stupid questions or doing research (just not on twitter).
Demonstrate how clever you are by mindlessly repeating the same thing like the sheep you are..

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ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
Pz Quote from above article:
I have a different metaphor for us, my brothers and sisters in atheism. We are not sheep; there are no shepherds here. I look out from this stage and I see 4000 pairs of hunter’s eyes, 4000 hunter’s minds, 4000 pairs of hunter’s hands. I see the primeval primate hunting band grown large and strong. I see us so confident in our strength that we laugh at our enemies. I see a people thinking and planning, fierce and focused, learning and building new tools to conquer new worlds.

You are not sheep. You, my brothers and sisters in atheism, are a fierce, coordinated hunting pack — men and women working together, and those other bastards have cause to fear us. So let’s do it: make them tremble as we demolish the city of god.
Why do I hear "You are all individuals".. . "We are all individuals!" :lol:

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I might be a bit late to the game here. I just returned from the Secular Student Alliance's 2012 annual convention. I was on the 'religious campuses' panel talking about my experience as an atheist at Catholic colleges and the denial of two Secular Student Alliance groups I tried to form. I also talked about very real threats I have received and have shared with the public (as opposed to Stephanie Zvan's imaginary 'cyberstalking' and the harassment Watson, as she says, regularly gets). I also met Mallorie Nasrallah at a meadery outside the conference. We had quite the airing of grievances :)

http://i.imgur.com/8VaU6.jpg

Anyway, on this "Don't feed the trolls" panel...

Rebecca Watson -- around 20:40 -- says, "Saying don't feed the trolls is something akin to saying to a woman don't wear a miniskirt if you don't want to get raped."

Huh?

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Justin - I hope you asked for consent before you touched her. In triplicate. Witnessed and everything.

re: Watson and her miniskirt metaphor - I think she's trying to say that by saying "don't feed the trolls", you're blaming the victim. It does show how she can't see anything in terms other than the current ideology she has (like many of her ilk). I think a more apt metaphor might be "saying don't feed the trolls is like telling someone not to give money to the drooling homeless guy with foil on his head and pants around his ankles, and then keep talking to him while he mutters and drools."

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justinvacula wrote: I just returned from the Secular Student Alliance's 2012 annual convention. I was on the 'religious campuses' panel talking about my experience as an atheist at Catholic colleges and the denial of two Secular Student Alliance groups I tried to form. I also talked about very real threats I have received and have shared with the public (as opposed to Stephanie Zvan's imaginary 'cyberstalking' and the harassment Watson, as she says, regularly gets).
Welcome back to the Slyme Pit, is a recording of your talk going to be posted on your site soon or was it an "off-the-record" format?
justinvacula wrote:I also met Mallorie Nasrallah at a meadery outside the conference. We had quite the airing of grievances
Is it fair to suppose that these grievances surrounded Mallorie's attempts to talk sense to the FC5 on several occasions over the last few months? (I think she did manage to show what a nasty piece of work that Lousy Canuk is, FWIW.)
justinvacula wrote:Anyway, on this "Don't feed the trolls" panel...

Rebecca Watson -- around 20:40 -- says, "Saying don't feed the trolls is something akin to saying to a woman don't wear a miniskirt if you don't want to get raped."

Huh?


Now I don't even believe she knows what exactly an internet troll is (even with a very vicious one sitting to her far right).

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Saint N. wrote:
justinvacula wrote: I just returned from the Secular Student Alliance's 2012 annual convention. I was on the 'religious campuses' panel talking about my experience as an atheist at Catholic colleges and the denial of two Secular Student Alliance groups I tried to form. I also talked about very real threats I have received and have shared with the public (as opposed to Stephanie Zvan's imaginary 'cyberstalking' and the harassment Watson, as she says, regularly gets).
Welcome back to the Slyme Pit, is a recording of your talk going to be posted on your site soon or was it an "off-the-record" format?
justinvacula wrote:I also met Mallorie Nasrallah at a meadery outside the conference. We had quite the airing of grievances
Is it fair to suppose that these grievances surrounded Mallorie's attempts to talk sense to the FC5 on several occasions over the last few months? (I think she did manage to show what a nasty piece of work that Lousy Canuk is, FWIW.)
justinvacula wrote:Anyway, on this "Don't feed the trolls" panel...

Rebecca Watson -- around 20:40 -- says, "Saying don't feed the trolls is something akin to saying to a woman don't wear a miniskirt if you don't want to get raped."

Huh?


Now I don't even believe she knows what exactly an internet troll is (even with a very vicious one sitting to her far right).
Now, now, you know that both Abbie and Justin weren't trolled - clearly, they were asking for it. It's there fault that poor ol' Laden couldn't control himself - they made him do it. He had no choice. It was his upbringing. But, clearly, he won't do it again until they unleash him on the next person who deserves it (assuming they consider the "other" as a person).

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JAB wrote: Why do I hear "You are all individuals".. . "We are all individuals!" :lol:
Im not!

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Saint N. wrote:
Welcome back to the Slyme Pit, is a recording of your talk going to be posted on your site soon or was it an "off-the-record" format?
The panel discussion should soon be available via the SSA or somewhere else. Many videos were released from last year's convention.

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ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:Franc:
Science2.0 has another good chuckle at baboon central -

http://www.science20.com/alpha_meme/fre ... aden-91735
He's having a dig at everyone.
I like Science2.0 - it is a strange place where haste in judgement is usually a bad idea. "Dig" is simplistic and cheap - they are simply one of the few remaining bastions of actual parrhesia.

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Oh http://kazez.blogspot.ca/2012/07/bullying.html KABOOM! All shit has just broken out over there.

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Badger3k wrote:Now, now, you know that both Abbie and Justin weren't trolled - clearly, they were asking for it. It's there fault that poor ol' Laden couldn't control himself - they made him do it. He had no choice. It was his upbringing.
Oh, silly me. Must have been all my privilege keeping me from seeing that obvious social detriments faced by Laden. Living in that trailer park in middle-age, surrounded by all those people who are clearly beneath him (I mean, they didn't even graduate from Harvard, FFS), must have been a vicious experience for someone as underprivileged as Laden.
Badger3k wrote: But, clearly, he won't do it again until they unleash him on the next person who deserves it (assuming they consider the "other" as a person).
Be careful now, you don't want Laden angry, you won't like him when he's angry. He might just threaten to kick your ass and tell you how you shouldn't breath his precious oxygen (that stuff doesn't grow on trees, y'know), all to teach you that threatening people is bad...or something. Whenever I think of the guy I imagine the line from the old Dave the Barbarian cartoon theme song, "He's not the greatest hero, but he's the only one they've got."

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Jean Kazez has now closed the "Bullying" article to comments.

Why does she keep doing that?

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John Greg wrote:Jean Kazez has now closed the "Bullying" article to comments.

Why does she keep doing that?
I think she closes comments whenever she feels that the conversation is going in circles with no signs of progress. Bummer, because some really good points were raised there (especially Russell Blackford's comment).

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Gumby wrote:
Saint N. wrote:Someone should mirror this before it disappears: (it's been flagged, so you need a youtube or gmail account to view).
I grabbed it, and in case it vanishes I will mirror it to my Youtube account.
Should upload the file as an attachment for later use here -

http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=63

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Rant with a broad accent. Merkins may need a translation -

[youtube]W6iGBEFMOHU[/youtube]

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@ Justin

I picked up on the rape analogy too..... It was a moment of what the fuck?

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ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:My suspicion is that RW is manipulating this phenomenon to her own advantage. As for PZ, who the fuck knows. Is he deluded, is he that unaware or just plain immoral?
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You lot all saw this http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... -bullying/ this morning?

PZ says:

Trying to frighten people off the internet with physical threats is inexcusable, and I hope the police are on this case.
I hope he called the police on Laden.

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Saint N. wrote:
John Greg wrote:Jean Kazez has now closed the "Bullying" article to comments.

Why does she keep doing that?
I think she closes comments whenever she feels that the conversation is going in circles with no signs of progress. Bummer, because some really good points were raised there (especially Russell Blackford's comment).
Maybe Russell would be willing to fill in the comments a bit more here? I doubt it considering what he said about blogs with bad werdz.

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franc wrote:Rant with a broad accent. Merkins may need a translation -
heh You have obviously never heard a full up newfie accent. This accent is tame eh?

But the speaker here in the video is 100% on. Why are we even paying these folks this much attention?

Oh, sorry now I remember. Because they phone up and e-mail bosses of people who disagree with them trying to get them to shut up. Then post blog entries suggesting that these kind of people should be reported to the police.

Sorry. I had forgotten. Won't happen again sir.

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Dilurk wrote:
franc wrote:Rant with a broad accent. Merkins may need a translation -
heh You have obviously never heard a full up newfie accent. This accent is tame eh?
So canucks are officially the 51st state? I did specify Merkins.

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franc wrote:
Dilurk wrote:
franc wrote:Rant with a broad accent. Merkins may need a translation -
heh You have obviously never heard a full up newfie accent. This accent is tame eh?
So canucks are officially the 51st state? I did specify Merkins.
Yes in the same loving way Brits and the french are the same and, Australians and New Zealanders are the same.

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Dilurk wrote:Yes in the same loving way Brits and the french are the same and, Australians and New Zealanders are the same.
Actually, there's a certain "c" word that proves we're not.

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franc wrote:
Dilurk wrote:Yes in the same loving way Brits and the french are the same and, Australians and New Zealanders are the same.
Actually, there's a certain "c" word that proves we're not.
True that. Though I do believe we share gidday gidday!

The bleed through from the USAians here means we do get subtitles on the simplest things, always amuses me to see subtitled brit from an USAian tv channel.

Of course USAians have the arrogance to assume America only refers to their part.
I mean being Europeans means you are Polish right?

Anyway this guy is right on, time to Ignore PZ for anything but his rare science posts.

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It's strange how a simple statement of fact, entirely free of context, with the wording rejigged slightly to add humour but subtract nothing from truth or meaning, can be loaded with whatever subtext the reader decides to give it. It's even stranger that some will allow their biases to completely change the meaning of the statement and argue against one that was never made. This is a brilliant experiment on human behaviour. I wonder what we can glean from these findings to get more insight into baboonishness?

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Dilurk wrote:Maybe Russell would be willing to fill in the comments a bit more here? I doubt it considering what he said about blogs with bad werdz.
Yeah, he's been pretty consistent about not wanting to affiliate with things like that, so to each his own, I guess. He isn't backing down/giving in to the FTBullies, and in the long run I think that's more important than what he thinks of the Slyme Pit. (But if he ever changes his mind about this place, we'll be here.)

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I don't know how credible this person is, but xe might be worth following.

https://twitter.com/Skepchick_Anon
#cvg2012‬ My sources at Skepchickcon told me PZ Myers and Stephanie Svan have prevailed with Brayton. Greg will rejoin FTB after the Summer.
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Did RW grow up in Canuckland?

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forget about 1 in 4 wimmin getting raped.. "1 in 2 girls is physically or sexually abused" in canuck-land. I wonder when they still start selling rape-safety merchandise in skepticland.
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Evan wrote:I don't know how credible this person is, but xe might be worth following.

https://twitter.com/Skepchick_Anon
#cvg2012‬ My sources at Skepchickcon told me PZ Myers and Stephanie Svan have prevailed with Brayton. Greg will rejoin FTB after the Summer.
The only reason they "fired" Laden at all is because they were reluctantly forced to by Justin Griffith's publication of that vile email Laden sent him. If Justin hadn't published that email it would have remained in the backchannel and Laden never would have been canned (or suspended, if this Skepchick_Anon is legit and has correct info). Justin be damned, FtB's stated anti-harassment/equality ideologies be damned.

PZ just posted a droning video where he babbles out a bullshit rationalization for why Thunderf00t was booted. If Laden is indeed coming back I'd love to see PZ's video where he rationalizes bringing back a blogger who harasses people online, tries to get people fired from their jobs, sends them violent and threatening emails, and edits/deletes people's comments.

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John Greg wrote:Jean Kazez has now closed the "Bullying" article to comments.

Why does she keep doing that?
I think she closes comments whenever she feels that the conversation is going in circles with no signs of progress. Bummer, because some really good points were raised there (especially Russell Blackford's comment).
Maria (Bluharmony) also raised some very good points. She has been badly victimized by the horde.

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Australians, New Zealanders. Haha. I did think for a while there that a lot of the differences in opinion around FtB and the Muslima letter were related to cultural differences, which I might not necessarily understand, until I read about a NZ woman proudly burning a copy of Dawkins' book. Wish I was joking, but that's some fucking bonkers bullshit.

And yeah, I liked blu's comments too.

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Dilurk wrote:Maria (Bluharmony) also raised some very good points. She has been badly victimized by the horde.
Agreed. I was somewhat annoyed when Jean Kazez told her to refrain from airing out her grievances, because I don't think anyone at FtB (that includes their defenders) has ever given a decent justification for the way Laden and PZ treated her.

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Gumby wrote:
Evan wrote:I don't know how credible this person is, but xe might be worth following.

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The only reason they "fired" Laden at all is because they were reluctantly forced to by Justin Griffith's publication of that vile email Laden sent him. If Justin hadn't published that email it would have remained in the backchannel and Laden never would have been canned (or suspended, if this Skepchick_Anon is legit and has correct info). Justin be damned, FtB's stated anti-harassment/equality ideologies be damned.
So they will clean him up and bring him back into cabinet after a token time away. Just the thing they do with MPs who embarrass their government here in Canuckland. Though he did claim he needed time off anyway.
PZ just posted a droning video where he babbles out a bullshit rationalization for why Thunderf00t was booted. If Laden is indeed coming back I'd love to see PZ's video where he rationalizes bringing back a blogger who harasses people online, tries to get people fired from their jobs, sends them violent and threatening emails, and edits/deletes people's comments.
It's a pity he does not write good science articles much anymore. I enjoyed those

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I don't much about PZ's science articles (I see so few nowadays), but he did weight in briefly on Paula Kirby, declared that her detailed essay calling out FtB makes no sense, and linked to other bloggers to explain why.

link: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ula-kirby/

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*Edit: that should read, "I don't know much about about PZ's science articles..."

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Dilurk wrote:
So they will clean him up and bring him back into cabinet after a token time away. Just the thing they do with MPs who embarrass their government here in Canuckland. Though he did claim he needed time off anyway.

That was my thought exactly.

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Lsuoma wrote:
Dilurk wrote:
So they will clean him up and bring him back into cabinet after a token time away. Just the thing they do with MPs who embarrass their government here in Canuckland. Though he did claim he needed time off anyway.

That was my thought exactly.
Ho ho I should go read that thread and catch up!

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Rashul roar - we Kiwis are generally pretty laid back, and the majority of our right wingers would be considered communist in the good ole US of A. That being said; we do have our loopys, too.

A page or two back someone asked about your nym and put up some thoughts. Can't recall whether you answered. My reading is phonetic, i.e. rayshul = racial.

Cold, warm, or hot?

And Blu definitely has a valid grievance against the bullies.

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A few posters in that Baboon circle jerk suggest Gnumann, quisling of the MRA nation "jackrawlinson" is was the elevatorguy.

Someone then suggests the idea stems from jackrawlinson's behaviour! Which is what, exactly? Asking women for coffee? :lol:

BTW, anyone know who jackrawlinson, is?

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sorry, that should be:
A few posters in that Baboon circle jerk suggest "jackrawlinson" is, or was the elevatorguy.

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So...PZ doesn't address anything Paula Kirby says. Instead, he talks about the language she uses. Does that make him a tone troll or a vacuous shitbag troll by Lousy Canuck standards?

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CommanderTuvok wrote:sorry, that should be:
A few posters in that Baboon circle jerk suggest "jackrawlinson" is, or was the elevatorguy.
Was he carrying a camera on a stick?

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Dilurk wrote:
Gumby wrote:
Evan wrote:I don't know how credible this person is, but xe might be worth following.

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The only reason they "fired" Laden at all is because they were reluctantly forced to by Justin Griffith's publication of that vile email Laden sent him. If Justin hadn't published that email it would have remained in the backchannel and Laden never would have been canned (or suspended, if this Skepchick_Anon is legit and has correct info). Justin be damned, FtB's stated anti-harassment/equality ideologies be damned.
So they will clean him up and bring him back into cabinet after a token time away. Just the thing they do with MPs who embarrass their government here in Canuckland. Though he did claim he needed time off anyway.
PZ just posted a droning video where he babbles out a bullshit rationalization for why Thunderf00t was booted. If Laden is indeed coming back I'd love to see PZ's video where he rationalizes bringing back a blogger who harasses people online, tries to get people fired from their jobs, sends them violent and threatening emails, and edits/deletes people's comments.
It's a pity he does not write good science articles much anymore. I enjoyed those
If it is true, and I think that needs to be spread around to see what reaction happens as a test, all they gave him was a time out. He'll have had his token ostracism for the peons in the public, given his tearful confession to Peezus (well, he didn't do that at all, just kept spinning like a politician with his hand in someone's till), and I'm sure he'll be forgiven. After all, he didn't really do anything to anyone that mattered, and he's a friend - you can forgive any kind of activity in a friend, even if it's criminal. Its not like he said the c-word, or oppressed any women.

(yeah, sarcasm for the baboolies or the impaired)

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Dilurk wrote:
CommanderTuvok wrote:sorry, that should be:
A few posters in that Baboon circle jerk suggest "jackrawlinson" is, or was the elevatorguy.
Was he carrying a camera on a stick?

I hear he had a Jalepeno on a stick :

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sacha wrote:scroll down for entire image

Ewwww... Sacha... please don't do that to me again. I just ate, and that made me throw up, lol!

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Nice ! [youtube]uWYOgGdcNVo[/youtube]

How true.

"I wish people would concentrate on the fucking cause we have to fight rather than all that bollocks but my modest video isn't going to change anything"

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If Laden is indeed coming back I'd love to see PZ's video where he rationalizes bringing back a blogger who harasses people online, tries to get people fired from their jobs, sends them violent and threatening emails, and edits/deletes people's comments.
He'll just deal with it the way that they deal with Watson's behavior towards Stef McGraw and Rose St. Clair. The same way they deal with the fact that, despite the fact that they are demonizing him, DJ instituted an anti-harassment policy at TAM and did an anonymous survey afterwards a full year before SkepChickCon.

They'll lie.

Every single time ElevatorGate is brought up, they cry "All she did was say `Guys, don't do that'!" and never, ever mention the existence of either Stef or Rose. And Lousy Canuck's supposedly comprehensive timeline of the TAM harassment policy fuss not only conveniently omits mention of the fact that DJ instituted such a policy, but repeatedly insinuates the opposite. And, whenever any innocent person on their blogs says something like "Gee, I was surprised to learn that TAM didn't have a harassment policy" none of them or their regulars ever corrects the person. Ever. Their rule is to never, ever mention any facts that go against their desired narrative.

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I'm going to say this again... Laden's biggest sin in that original email was him trying to trigger a PTSD event in a soldier... saying that he bet Justin hadn't caused any death in war etc because he's likely a good soldier... PTSD can kill and it isn 't always the person having that episode that ends up dead either. If no one dies, they can still end up with a life not worth living..

But the story doesn't end there... nonono. This bit from Justin's blog:
Then Justin sends him an email saying how ashamed he is about the bad shit and death he has caused. Laden responds.. with a blog post, where he delivers a not pology, "sometimes the bad guys win" and says that justin has sent him an email with "incoherent drunken babbling"...this is about that email where he bares his soul and this is Laden's public response. So laden is doubling down on someone he is trying to trigger, figures he has him close to the edge so he keeps pushing. He is one sick fuck.

So FfTB needs their Sgt-at-arms back do they? I hope he goes out control on them again at one of their own and he leaves an even bigger google embarassment for laden's kids to discover when they grow up.(which he stated as his reason for the original vile email... that's right...he tried to destroy someone for his future reputation, like his reputation is recoverable anyway)

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A bit related to that - for all that (I think) I read that Laden was going to stop blogging for a bit, my Scienceblogs feed is loaded with a majority of posts from, guess who, Laden! Most of them seem to be his usual "here's a link to someone else or a video" that a trained monkey can do, at least from the little I actually pay attention to them (normally I just look to see where it's from then ignore, so I may be wrong).

Re: Laden back at FTB, did anybody who still wants to communicate with Justin post that rumor to him? Maybe he can get an internet restraining order? :lol:

I think that keeping him on the panel on trolls, oh delicious irony, was an attempt at rehabilitation - I wouldn't be surprised if they use that as a reason, and end up pushing Justin and his blog into second class citizenship (as if that hasn't already happened).

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