Periodic Table of Swearing

[Michael K Gray]

Hope that all makes sense.

I'm all in favour of Fe supplements for the baboollies in the form of administration of an iron railing to the fecking teeth from time-to-time.

(note: violent imagery used for humorous purposes only...)

I don't think that can swallow any more Irony.

[MrYellovich]

maiforpeace a Global Moderator at A+ forum posts (private?) communications between Matt & the mods at Jason Thibeault's.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... ment-83519

“Admittedly, I do wish you hadn’t changed your mind about not posting until you spoke to Greta”.

I didn’t. I had talked to Greta, several times…and Jen.
I’m going to be posting a video later. Some sort of joint statement might be possible, but I’m not sure it’s necessary.

But maiforpeace doesn't believe Matt spoke to Greta or Jen. Or at least didn't listen to what they said.
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... 728#p25876

“From beginning to end despite what he claims, I feel certain that Matt's actions were predominantly unilateral. There's no way I can believe that he talked to either Greta or Jen as he claimed, and, if he did he didn't hear a thing they said anyway.”.

And the rest of this post doesn't go well for Matt.

“But I will state, clearly and unequivocally, for him to call himself an ally of Atheism+ after this, is disingenious, AND dishonest.

I also wish that he no longer acted or spoke in any way as a spokesperson for our cause. Because he's high profile people could easily assume he is a spokesperson, and I don't want him representing me. Continuing to abuse that card for his own self aggrandisment is disrespectful and exploitive of the movement.

He's better as a solo act, preaching at people. What I learned from this debaucle is that he's not a good fit for this movement because it requires teamwork, two way communication, cooperation, respect for the feelings and concerns of others, a willingness to learn, humility and a willingness to make amends when hurt or mistakes are made.

Thanks Matt, but no thanks.

Next please!.”.

Emphasis mine.

So Matt is now disingenuous & dishonest. WOW!
So if you believe Matt why hasn't Greta communicated with the A+ mods?

[BarnOwl]

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p60 ... f36d98.png

Soundtrack:

[youtube]WqdMGRFKnow[/youtube]

[Gumby]

What I learned from this debaucle is that he's not a good fit for this movement because it requires teamwork, two way communication, cooperation, respect for the feelings and concerns of others, a willingness to learn, humility and a willingness to make amends when hurt or mistakes are made.

It's a good thing my current irony meter is one of those old Soviet-era cast iron models, because my old Tandy would have been vaporized.

[Gumby]

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p60 ... f36d98.png

I've known several people just as proud of their falling-down, barfing-all-over-the-bed-before-passing-out-in-it alcoholism as Rebecca. Been to a few of their funerals, in fact.

[ERV]

The last time I got so drunk I wasnt just hung over, but genuinely sick the next day was literally like ten years ago. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with Watson? What is wrong with her? Children on spring break get that drunk. Not grown ass adults presenting at a conference as a supposed professional. Jesus. Maybe we do need 'behavioral guidelines' for speakers at skeptic conferences...

[BarnOwl]

I've known several people just as proud of their falling-down, barfing-all-over-the-bed-before-passing-out-in-it alcoholism as Rebecca. Been to a few of their funerals, in fact.

The soundtrack song is ridiculously upbeat about drinking yourself silly - I thought it was fitting. Predates the Los Lobos version by about 3 decades.

Friends of alcoholics are damned if they do intervene, damned if they don't. Been there, done that.

[Gumby]

The last time I got so drunk I wasnt just hung over, but genuinely sick the next day was literally like ten years ago. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with Watson? What is wrong with her? Children on spring break get that drunk. Not grown ass adults presenting at a conference as a supposed professional. Jesus. Maybe we do need 'behavioral guidelines' for speakers at skeptic conferences...

"What is wrong with her?" She's a damn near gutter-level alcoholic who thinks getting falling-down shitfaced on a daily basis is "cute" and "fun". And all the douchebags she chooses to hang with enable the fuck out of her behavior. I I'm not even saying that to be mean, I say that because I was in that same predicament myself at one time in my life. She's in a mess o' trouble and she thinks it's all a game. Hope she has good medical insurance when her liver blows up.

[Badger3k]

The last time I got so drunk I wasnt just hung over, but genuinely sick the next day was literally like ten years ago. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with Watson? What is wrong with her? Children on spring break get that drunk. Not grown ass adults presenting at a conference as a supposed professional. Jesus. Maybe we do need 'behavioral guidelines' for speakers at skeptic conferences...

The last time I got really drunk was when I lost 10 hrs and gave up serious drinking. It was a few years before I even touched alcohol. Now, except for one concert at the hotel I was at, I've been really moderate. At my age, I can't afford it in any sense of the word.

However, I do think that, just like the "harassment policies", anything associated with Watson does need "drinker's policies". I couldn't imagine paying to see some hung-over speaker, especially not one as bad as Watson. Hard enough listening to her when she is sober, but to try to put up with a hung over drunk....yech.

Maybe we need a petition..... (lol)

[Gumby]

Friends of alcoholics are damned if they do intervene, damned if they don't. Been there, done that.

I've been both the alcoholic and the friend of the alcoholic, and can confidently say I know exactly what you mean.

[AndrewV69]

The "you don't call people nigger, so you're hypocritical about cunt" is mind-bogglingly stupid. I don't call people "cars" either, and I pretty much never call them "peanut butter". People make choices about words all the time, for a wide range of reasons. That doesn't make them hypocritical or cowardly

So far I have not seen any evidence that he is "stupid" actually. Some think he is trolling, and while I may be coming round to that view myself, I currently strongly believe that he is offering insights as to how his mind works.

*shrug*

You guys can continue trying to knock some sense into him, but as far as I can see he is not buying it, because he "knows" beyond a shadow of doubt what the people here are all about, thus it is just a matter of getting us to admit it.

In his world, we are the insane ones and he is not. His beliefs are as firm as any fundamentalist, impervious to facts, truth and logic.

[Mykeru]

I am no lawyer but my understanding was JV had or still has the right to counter sue. I suspect JV would not do this. Sooner or later Amy will DMCA someone who is willing to counter sue.

If a DMCA takedown notice is appealed, it's up to the DMCA'er, Amy, to serve real-life lawsuit papers on whoever appealed it (Justin, Tf00t, or ElevatorGate blog). If she doesn't do that within a certain amount of days, the taken down material goes back up. The lawyers she asked wanted $5000 so she didn't go that route. Just as well, since she had no grounds and no damage. If she never actually sues, no one needs to counter sue or defend themselves from her suit. That, plus her babbling about suing Tf00t for $100,000 all sounds like Lolsuits. :)

I was taken aback when reading 'Surly Amy's recent post detailing not only how she sought legal advice from -- as she says -- four law firms but also goes on to mention "defamation" and "complications." She also never ASKED me to take the photo down; the heavy-handed DMCA was all I received as far as I know (It would be quite odd for me to miss an email like that from Amy).

Amy writes,

I looked for a lawyer.

I contacted 4 law firms. No one would take the case for under a $5,000 retainer because of the defamation and complications of the case that were involved. You see, when Justin filed his counter claim saying he had rights to my image and then bragged about it all over the internet, another copycat troll did the same. Someone else posted a WHOLE BUNCH of my photos and lied about me. I had asked for those photos to be removed before I asked Justin to take the one photo down, But when troll saw Justin bragging about how you could file a counter DMCA claim to fight the evil feministâ„¢ who wants to censor all the poor mens, troll did the same. Troll filed THREE counter DMCA claims. So I had two men using a trick in the system to gain access to my artwork.

Then Amy says

No, I filed a perfectly valid copyright claim. My photos and my art were used without permission and potentially made money for at least one person who used them. The fact is, I simply could not afford a lawyer to fight the BS counter claims.

Does Amy really consider what is legal and what is illegal -- even if we are to grant her, for sake of argument, that what I did was illegal -- to be the final word on whether legal action should happen?

Here's the deal Amy...because I know you are reading this as are your friends:

I don't hate you. I don't hate anyone. I don't wish harm on you or your friends. I have a penchant for critiquing bad ideas whether they are from someone identifying as a male or a female. Prior to 2012, as you should know, I was actually sympathetic to the Skepchick network and, if I recall correctly, authored an application to apply for a position as a contributor to the Skepchick network!!! Following attacks on Staks Rosch and others, I started to ask questions and eventually saw many problems with the assertions and arguments made on your network which led me to not be a fan.

I've publicly disagreed with Jerry Coyne, Lawrence Krauss, Phil Zuckerman, Massimo Pigliucci (who is one of my favorite personalities in this community), PZ Myers, Lousy Canuck, The Thinking Atheist, and so so so many more people. This isn't an anti-woman issue as your friend Rebecca Watson and your friends made it out to be while you stand by on the sidelines saying -- to my knowledge -- nothing in response to debunk these claims that I am "anti-woman" or otherwise can't be trusted around women or with their personal details.

...and you want an apology?

I have indeed made my mistakes. We all have. ...and I would like you to admit the same thing if you want an apology. I don't see apologies as unilateral matters when it is the case that both parties made mistakes.

Poor Amy, that must really suck to have revenge denied for $5k. You'd think she could just sell more cat turds on a string or e-beg, but her keyboard revolutionary supporters may limit their support to typing.

I don't have to shop around.

When you are a commuter cyclist getting nailed at random is an unfortunate fact of life. After my last adventure in distracted motorist contact, I limped into work with a hematoma running the diagonal across my internal organs and a fractured heel that took two months for the radiologist, another radiologist and the nice lady running the MRI to figure out was fractured. Anyway, I happened to see a nice Iraqi-born lawyer I have worked with before who asked me what happened and then gave me a hug (sweet). I asked her if she knew anyone particularly blood-thirty in her legal contacts and she whipped out her Blackberry and mailed me a freaking list of names. She hat-tipped the most ruthless, whose a member of a law group that is my go-to in these matters. I've gotten creamed three times, twice within a two year period. And let me tell you, the pain and suffering and resulting broken bones and dental work needs to be paid for. I don't want undue gain, just what is fair. They do more than personal injury and cover up to and including constitutional cases.

Luckily, the damages to my bike the last time were only $500. It's a $3,500 bike. Now, you may be asking how I afforded a $3,500 bike. Simple: As the insurance company of the douche who totaled my $750 bike. And so it goes.

Of course, if someone does to me what they did to Justin, the definition of "fair" might become expansive.

Even if I had to fork out 5k straight, that's just a missed vacation or not buying ahead of the smartphone, laptop, netbook, digital camera, camping and survival, cycling curve for that year.

I don't care about counter suits or damages. What makes it all worthwhile is the depositions. I would love to have people give depositions under oath regarding the DMCA attacks on Girl Writes What and others, the campaigns of doxing and harassment and whether certain people's money-making operations in cat turds and transcriptions constitute RICO-level ongoing copyright violation mills.

What's more, I have a history of already being harassed, my employment threatened and up and including death threats that would be credible if the persons making the threats weren't internet dickless wonders.

However, when I lived in Arizona a disagreement with a Public Lands (read: Welfare for right-wingers) rancher lead to my dog being missing for three days and eventually found in a dry wash shot to death and picked clean by vultures save for the head and feet. Wow, that taught me a lesson, as did my then girfriend dropping to her knees and keening in a continuous high-pitched wail at the sight. I can still hear it, smell the decomposition and hear the sound of flies and the low hum of the high desert. It wasn't the lesson they intended to teach, however.

I don't recognize the concept of distributed blame. Whoever starts shit, it's all on them. Anyone who thinks they can play the "throw it out there and let some random nutcase do the rest" is going to be sadly mistaken.

So I feel your pain Justin. Been there. To be honest, I'm sympathetic to MRAs and an atheist and skeptic, but it's the bullying that really gets my full and undivided attention. Bullies want to hurt you, but they have no qualms about using the innocent to do it. Fuck them, even if they don't realize they are bullies. They never do.

Seriously, under normal circumstances I'm an amiable asshole, but this sort of shit cranks my contempt for bullies up to 11. Mostly I can content myself with just mocking them.

Mostly.

[AndrewV69]

It's just that the crazy feminists unfortunately are the ones that have the best access and closest ties to politicans, media and academia...

I will go with your analysis seeing as enough parts of it dovetail my own suppositions.

BTW, something that may interest you (although I would recommend reading the whole thing to get the context):

http://www.christianweek.org/stories.ph ... cat=canada

During the debate over family law reforms in the early 1980s, Quebec feminists supported the distinction between common-law relationships and traditional marriage. These feminists frowned on marriage and promoted common-law or "free unions" as a way to wean women off financial dependency on men.

Thus, Quebec's reforms did not require alimony in common-law cases. After all, if Quebecers were to ditch marriage for "free unions," it followed that everyone would be free to enter and exit relationships without thinking about anything or anyone but themselves.

To my lack of surprise, common-law unions became very popular very quickly.

[Skep tickle]

Response #185 at http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... n-apology/

I wonder whether Skeptixx could actually link to a place where she has discussed social justice rather than discussing the people who discuss social justice.

(Skeptixx = Skep tickle)

Well, blow me over. I don't "discuss" social justice, dear. :o

I DO STUFF that I think helps make the world a better place.

"Discuss social justice." Give me an effing break.

So, despite having said I wouldn't post any more in that thread, I plopped down #186. Please do let me know what you think about that, Ms. Zvan.

[Butters]

Sigh. Yes, let's ignore the actual post and discuss it, and instead concentrate how the title says "lady parts".

http://i.imgur.com/t73kO.jpg

[TheMan]

Somthing I can across that has some relevancy here...there...and everywhere

No, you're not entitled to your opinion:

http://theconversation.edu.au/no-youre- ... inion-9978

[CommanderTuvok]

So Surly Amy is a liar. Rebecca Watson is a drunk. Doormat Dillahunty is a dissonance-confused fucking moron.

I'm shocked, I tell yer!

[acathode]

So Matt is now disingenuous & dishonest. WOW!
So if you believe Matt why hasn't Greta communicated with the A+ mods?

You gotta hand it to these people, no one can accuse them of being sly politicians. In a situation where anyone with a clue about politics would be brown-nosing Dillahunty to a degree where they risked being classified as a new kind of leech spices, these people instead chose the tactic of dropping their pants and rubbing their bums in Matt's face, while screaming "START KISSING!", and when Matt refuses, they start shitting in their hands and flinging the result at Matt...

In one way, I guess Myers actually is right with the whole "grassroot" talk, or at least, no one from the FC is currently in charge. Anyone from the FC is a sly enough politicians to know that Matt's support is very valuable for reaching outside the established FTB bubble, and would have quickly reigned in the moron mods on the A+ forums, and then immediately started with the damage control. The situation was well within saving, and while there still would have been the lulz for those that's not to keen on A+, they would not have "lost" Matt and his fanboys.

Granted, Matt still haven't ditched A+, but he no longer seems very keen on the A+forums, which more or less is the whole A+ community...

AndrewV69: I don't really know what to think, it sounds like the feminists where on the right track? It's quite late here, so I could be a bit slow, but I think it's mainly due to the fact that we don't have alimony here (only child support), not even when you're properly married, so I'm not entirely sure on how it works, mainly heard those "rich guy have to pay ex-wife millions" stories.

[CommanderTuvok]

Shocking new admission from Scurvy Amy...

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/ ... 981939.jpg

...but not really!

[welch]

My guess has always been that he sunk his own money into starting FTB. And, rather than take PZ on as an equity partner, Ed cut him a preferential deal as the headline content provider. So, now he has to tacitly support the band of loudmouths on the network because it is his main source of income/recouping his investment. This is all speculation on my part, to be sure.

That was my opinion for a while. I felt a bit sorry for Ed that he had got saddled with this mess. Then I saw his comment writing off Coffee Loving Skeptic on Watson's blog while knowing nothing but Watson's version of the events. And then the lines Tfoot quoted from him from the backchannel re ad revenue. My new opinion of him is that the personna he cultivates on his blog is not the real him. He seems far more petty and mean spiritted.

He's discovering that he now has a vague semblance of power and influence and thinks it makes his dick bigger.

[KiwiInOz]

Somthing I can across that has some relevancy here...there...and everywhere

No, you're not entitled to your opinion:

http://theconversation.edu.au/no-youre- ... inion-9978

Shh. That piece highlights a role for applied Phil O'Soffy. You'll awaken M-Kraken-G.

[mordacious1]

I know this sounds mean, but I think if I was RW, I'd get drunk often too.

I think, if she has friends, they should be concerned. That's what real friends are for.

[Mykeru]

You gotta hand it to these people, no one can accuse them of being sly politicians. In a situation where anyone with a clue about politics would be brown-nosing Dillahunty to a degree where they risked being classified as a new kind of leech spices, these people instead chose the tactic of dropping their pants and rubbing their bums in Matt's face, while screaming "START KISSING!", and when Matt refuses, they start shitting in their hands and flinging the result at Matt...

Todays shocking, shocking I tell you, revelation: Sometimes people disguise their basest shit-flinging urges in a noble mantle. Unless they are really bad at it like these guys.

Every time I hear one of them going on about "social justice" my internal closed captioning system translates that as their saying "What's good for me, including fucking you up".

After wasting huge chunks of my life arguing with theist and Kennedy conspiracy nut-jobs, I have never seen a bunch of people who are so incompetent at covering their snarling visage in a cheap angel mask.

[youtube]RMR-yPA4lsY#t=278s[/youtube]
(someday I will get this to work)


And really, despite the supposed brilliance of Matt Dillahunty (overrated, he once spouted stock apologetics, now he spouts stock responses to stock apologetic) the fact that he went along with this as long as he did doesn't mean he's stupid, it was just his kind of loud-mouthing until he became a target of it himself.

The lot of them need to be given cement water-wings and dropped into the Marianas Trench, metaphorically speaking.

I think, if she has friends, they should be concerned. That's what real friends are for.

That's what detox is for.

[KiwiInOz]

Another piece of data for my colour me not surprised but wish I was file - http://www.smh.com.au/world/evolution-i ... 2788b.html

[Mykeru]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/ ... 981939.jpg

Bailey Jay really let herself go.

[BarnOwl]

I know this sounds mean, but I think if I was RW, I'd get drunk often too.

I think, if she has friends, they should be concerned. That's what real friends are for.

The enablers are the mean ones, IMHO. Some people are amused by the drunken antics of others ... kind of like having your own court jester, I suppose.

I should probably be grateful that alcohol makes me extremely sleepy, long before I have any chance of being entertaining to others. Zzzzzzzz. :mrgreen:

[Saint N.]

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p60 ... f36d98.png

I've known several people just as proud of their falling-down, barfing-all-over-the-bed-before-passing-out-in-it alcoholism as Rebecca. Been to a few of their funerals, in fact.

Just so we get things straight here, we're being lectured to about all of our undeserved privileges by someone whose 'job' allows for her to travel the country and get shit-faced drunk, and brag about it incessantly. Maybe the decent thing for elevatorguy to do was skip on the coffee invitation and just give her a packet of these. Might have gone over better.

[AndrewV69]

I know this sounds mean, but I think if I was RW, I'd get drunk often too.

I think, if she has friends, they should be concerned. That's what real friends are for.

The enablers are the mean ones, IMHO. Some people are amused by the drunken antics of others ... kind of like having your own court jester, I suppose.

I should probably be grateful that alcohol makes me extremely sleepy, long before I have any chance of being entertaining to others. Zzzzzzzz. :mrgreen:

A bit different if everyone around you is doing the saame though. Yes?

Welcome to binge Britain: Polish photographer documents four years of drunken revelry in Cardiff
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rdiff.html

[Mykeru]

Just so we get things straight here, we're being lectured to about all of our undeserved privileges by someone whose 'job' allows for her to travel the country and get shit-faced drunk, and brag about it incessantly.

Makes me wonder if Elevator Guy's flying rape attempt was more in the line of "It's 4 am, you're trashed, do you want to sober up a bit before you go Keith Moon on us?"

[Pitchguest]

The latest from Stefunny:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... -comments/

All those comments written that'd been put in moderation during the petition aired in a seperate blog post for everyone to see.

Seems my errs got the most of it. I've been a very naughty boy.

[Pitchguest]

*All should be some. Can't find the edit button.

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

Ah, Becky Whatnot: still living the student lifestyle. Good on yer, no harm will come from it.

[youtube]6rrXmE19hFk[/youtube]

[TheMan]

Response #185 at http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... n-apology/

I wonder whether Skeptixx could actually link to a place where she has discussed social justice rather than discussing the people who discuss social justice.

(Skeptixx = Skep tickle)

Well, blow me over. I don't "discuss" social justice, dear. :o

I DO STUFF that I think helps make the world a better place.

"Discuss social justice." Give me an effing break.

So, despite having said I wouldn't post any more in that thread, I plopped down #186. Please do let me know what you think about that, Ms. Zvan.

Good on ya Skep....

[Pitchguest]

Notice how Stefunny still slithers around the issue of defending Greg Laden when by all accounts she shouldn't be? He's done most things allegedly done by Justin Vacula and worse, yet he all gets from her is a big, wet kiss. He gets to doc-drop, stalk and threaten people and not so much as a peep, to get "I'm going to kick your ass" be dismissed as an "ambigious colloquialism" while "kick you in the cunt" is dubbed misogynist. A nice fucking setup they've got, innit? By the way, I've read conflicting accounts on the "kick you in the cunt" story -- how it sprang up in the first place -- and that franc hoggle actually never said "kick you in the cunt" until after Ophelia (or was it Greta?) had insinuated something about it (but never actually said, like "Rebitchka"). 'Course they've remained steadfast on their version. Which is it?

[CommanderTuvok]

Notice how Stefunny still slithers around the issue of defending Greg Laden when by all accounts she shouldn't be? He's done most things allegedly done by Justin Vacula and worse, yet he all gets from her is a big, wet kiss. He gets to doc-drop, stalk and threaten people and not so much as a peep, to get "I'm going to kick your ass" be dismissed as an "ambigious colloquialism" while "kick you in the cunt" is dubbed misogynist. A nice fucking setup they've got, innit? By the way, I've read conflicting accounts on the "kick you in the cunt" story -- how it sprang up in the first place -- and that franc hoggle actually never said "kick you in the cunt" until after Ophelia (or was it Greta?) had insinuated something about it (but never actually said, like "Rebitchka"). 'Course they've remained steadfast on their version. Which is it?

Yes. They are hypocritical wankstains.

The same goes for the DMCA issue. Queen Bee, Surly Amy and Greg Laden have all doc-dropped. Yet, they are perfectly at ease with these facts.

[Saint N.]

Just so we get things straight here, we're being lectured to about all of our undeserved privileges by someone whose 'job' allows for her to travel the country and get shit-faced drunk, and brag about it incessantly.

Makes me wonder if Elevator Guy's flying rape attempt was more in the line of "It's 4 am, you're trashed, do you want to sober up a bit before you go Keith Moon on us?"

The part about that whole incident that makes no sense is how the testimony of someone who was up all night drinking (let's be honest, if you're still drinking at 4 am, there's a good chance you didn't just start at 3 am), is to be taken as gospel. I've been around plenty of drunks in my day, and although they have all sorts of things to say while their drunk, very few have much in the power of recollection the next morning.

[Pitchguest]

I just posted this over at Stefunny's:

It’s old news, but I read Jason’s notpology and couldn’t help but notice this sentence:

Here’s the thing: that post COULD be read as homophobic. It may not have occurred to me at the time, but that doesn’t mean it’s not so. The absolute last thing I want to do is incur any splash damage to gays, especially not by suggesting that being gay automatically entails misogyny, regardless that other gay folk have speculated that it does in fact inform DJ’s present privilege-blind state given that DJ once used it as a pre-emptive shield against criticism for his actions in defending Ryan Grant Long.

So his other comment is not homophobic, but he would suggest that DJ Grothe abused his homosexuality (his sexual orientation) to defend someone?

Not better, is it?

And the inane scruple of “vagina owner” and “douchebag”. Yes, very subtle.

Oh, that’s right, you were there.

Let's see if it passes through moderation.

[Vigil]

Response #185 at http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... n-apology/

I wonder whether Skeptixx could actually link to a place where she has discussed social justice rather than discussing the people who discuss social justice.

(Skeptixx = Skep tickle)

Well, blow me over. I don't "discuss" social justice, dear. :o

I DO STUFF that I think helps make the world a better place.

"Discuss social justice." Give me an effing break.

So, despite having said I wouldn't post any more in that thread, I plopped down #186. Please do let me know what you think about that, Ms. Zvan.

lol Zvan seems so immersed and engaged in her armchair activism that she appears to have forgotten how the actual thing works. In her mind fighting for social justice has become the same as writing about it on the Internet.

[Badger3k]

Just so we get things straight here, we're being lectured to about all of our undeserved privileges by someone whose 'job' allows for her to travel the country and get shit-faced drunk, and brag about it incessantly.

Makes me wonder if Elevator Guy's flying rape attempt was more in the line of "It's 4 am, you're trashed, do you want to sober up a bit before you go Keith Moon on us?"

The part about that whole incident that makes no sense is how the testimony of someone who was up all night drinking (let's be honest, if you're still drinking at 4 am, there's a good chance you didn't just start at 3 am), is to be taken as gospel. I've been around plenty of drunks in my day, and although they have all sorts of things to say while their drunk, very few have much in the power of recollection the next morning.

It's her medical condition - she may have problems remembering people's faces (which comes and goes - I suspect alcohol might just be involved), yet is cursed to remember everything that happens when she gets shitfaced. In fact, her memory gets better as time goes on, since she kept remembering more as the weeks went by.

[Badger3k]

Response #185 at http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... n-apology/

I wonder whether Skeptixx could actually link to a place where she has discussed social justice rather than discussing the people who discuss social justice.

(Skeptixx = Skep tickle)

Well, blow me over. I don't "discuss" social justice, dear. :o

I DO STUFF that I think helps make the world a better place.

"Discuss social justice." Give me an effing break.

So, despite having said I wouldn't post any more in that thread, I plopped down #186. Please do let me know what you think about that, Ms. Zvan.

lol Zvan seems so immersed and engaged in her armchair activism that she appears to have forgotten how the actual thing works. In her mind fighting for social justice has become the same as writing about it on the Internet.

If any of these social justice warriors actually went out and did something, they might encounter real people, and there is no way they could sustain an attack of the vapors that strong. There aren't enough fainting couches for them to do that, so...blogging it is.

[Saint N.]

Notice how Stefunny still slithers around the issue of defending Greg Laden when by all accounts she shouldn't be? He's done most things allegedly done by Justin Vacula and worse, yet he all gets from her is a big, wet kiss. He gets to doc-drop, stalk and threaten people and not so much as a peep, to get "I'm going to kick your ass" be dismissed as an "ambigious colloquialism" while "kick you in the cunt" is dubbed misogynist. A nice fucking setup they've got, innit?

While I have little doubt that people like Matt are True Believers about the whole FTB/A+ purging of the atheist community for the 'greater good'. I don't for a second believe this of someone like Steffy, who is in it mainly for the internet celebrity. Prior to EG no one was reading Stefunny's boring ass blog. That's not just my opinion, it's her's from June 21, 2011, http://almostdiamonds.blogspot.com/2011 ... s-why.html

I'll let you in on a little secret: No one reads this blog.

Well, that's not quite true. The people who read this blog aren't anything like "no one." There just aren't very many of them.

She had virtually no audience before this whole thing got started (for good reason, I mean have you read her old blog posts?), now she's one of the more prominent bloggers on FtB (for all the wrong reason's, IMO). She'll never call out all the crap that Greg laden did or that other FtBers continue to do, b/c she doesn't give a shit about it. It's about upholding any principle for her (the defense of Laden serves as prove of that), she's here to boast her own name recognition, and keep the emotionally-stunted audience she's got happy with enough drama.

By the way, I've read conflicting accounts on the "kick you in the cunt" story -- how it sprang up in the first place -- and that franc hoggle actually never said "kick you in the cunt" until after Ophelia (or was it Greta?) had insinuated something about it (but never actually said, like "Rebitchka"). 'Course they've remained steadfast on their version. Which is it?

franc has a detailed post about it on his blog from last year, http://greylining.com/2011/11/10/morpho ... t-comment/

[Pitchguest]

Response #185 at http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... n-apology/

I wonder whether Skeptixx could actually link to a place where she has discussed social justice rather than discussing the people who discuss social justice.

(Skeptixx = Skep tickle)

Well, blow me over. I don't "discuss" social justice, dear. :o

I DO STUFF that I think helps make the world a better place.

"Discuss social justice." Give me an effing break.

So, despite having said I wouldn't post any more in that thread, I plopped down #186. Please do let me know what you think about that, Ms. Zvan.

Oh, if I could, Skep, I'd shake your hand. Or buy you a cup of coffee (but don't it the wrong way!) :P

[sacha]

I have been making the point that you don't care that groups of women will see it as misogynistic and justify that with anecdotal evidence as Spence admits to. Their offence at being demeaned (In their minds) is not of concern to you.

Firstly: YOU first made the claim that cunt was considered misogynistic in the UK. YOU provided exactly ZERO evidence to support this assertion. Scientific data is better than anecdotal evidence is better than zero evidence. So our anecdotal evidence still trumps your zero evidence. Get it? When you BRING SOME EVIDENCE TO THE TABLE we can continue this conversation in a meaningful way.

We're not looking for individuals in the UK who consider it misogynistic, either. We know Ophelia does. We don't care. You claimed you'd lose your job for using it. I argued the only places you'd get fired for "cunt" are the same situations where you'd get fired for "fucking wanker" (which is gender neutral). You provided ZERO evidence of any kind of widespread view that "cunt" was viewed misogynistic in the UK.

All you've done is distort people's arguments, build straw men and failed to provide any actual evidence to back up your uninformed opinion. Oh, yeah, and your retarded "you haven't used insult X, you're inconsistent!". Yes, I don't think anyone has used the insult "carbuncle" yet, therefore the slymepitters are inconsistent. Fucking hell you are a moron.

And if you complain about the use of "cunt", because it offends a few people, then we may as well complain about atheists who blaspheme (they are offending people!!!). So where is your campaign against blasphemy, oolon?

Spence, honey.

Why do you let him get to you? I can see your blood pressure rise with that comment.
Responses like yours are precisely why he baits. He isn't stupid, he gets off on the frustration of others. Let me repeat that, he is not stupid, nor is he incapable of comprehending what is being said. He clearly understands before he even asks the questions. I'm willing to bet he does not even give a toss if certain women take offense to the word cunt. It's not about his words, it is about his intent.

I'm beginning to have sympathy for you, Spence. Just because you would never instigate with a comment deliberately to provoke a reactionary response, simply for pleasure, does not mean you cannot conclude that some people do just that.

I don't understand how anyone can possibly enjoy things like bungee jumping. You could not pay me to bungee jump. Amusement parks with giant rollercoasters, and those things that take you up 30 stories while you sit with your legs dangling, and then drop you at full speed, all of those type of things, even if I know they are perfectly safe, are not at all "fun" for me. I simply cannot comprehend how anyone would find them to be enjoyable at all. The best I can do is think of something I enjoy, where I get a rush of adrenaline, and assume those who are willing to wait for an hour or two, in order to be dropped from skyscraper height are having a similar reaction.

I'm quite sure the majority of things that I give me a rush of adrenaline are not something many would be willing to queue up for.

As for the cunt argument, I will say once again, it is those that take offense and create drama over a word, that are in control of how it affects them. My speaking the word cunt has no power at all, unless someone gives it power. I am not victimising them by uttering the word. They are victimising themselves by allowing it to affect them.

I am not responsible for how others choose to feel. Dictating what is acceptable language, and demanding that everyone comply is an attempt to control others. It is a power trip. It will work with some people, they will allow you to control them. It will not work with everyone, in fact it will have the opposite effect on people like me.

Instead of changing their behaviour, they expect everyone else to cater to their demands. They cannot control everyone, and they know it, and therefore they will always be victims, which is exactly what they want. If they did not want to be victims, they would take control of themselves, and be an "agent" instead of an "object" no matter what words are spoken (or written on threads that they "would never read")

So let's just say I am giving them the ability to get others to sympathise with their victimhood, and they love sympathy more than anything else, so by continuing to use the word cunt, I am in effect giving them exactly what they want. They really should thank me. Perhaps next time PZ and Becci try (but fail) to get be banned from a sceptic event, I'll allow all of those shrieking women with their fainting couches, to queue up in order to kneel before me and kiss my shoe.

[welch]

Notice how Stefunny still slithers around the issue of defending Greg Laden when by all accounts she shouldn't be? He's done most things allegedly done by Justin Vacula and worse, yet he all gets from her is a big, wet kiss. He gets to doc-drop, stalk and threaten people and not so much as a peep, to get "I'm going to kick your ass" be dismissed as an "ambigious colloquialism" while "kick you in the cunt" is dubbed misogynist. A nice fucking setup they've got, innit?

While I have little doubt that people like Matt are True Believers about the whole FTB/A+ purging of the atheist community for the 'greater good'. I don't for a second believe this of someone like Steffy, who is in it mainly for the internet celebrity. Prior to EG no one was reading Stefunny's boring ass blog. That's not just my opinion, it's her's from June 21, 2011, http://almostdiamonds.blogspot.com/2011 ... s-why.html

I'll let you in on a little secret: No one reads this blog.

Well, that's not quite true. The people who read this blog aren't anything like "no one." There just aren't very many of them.

She had virtually no audience before this whole thing got started (for good reason, I mean have you read her old blog posts?), now she's one of the more prominent bloggers on FtB (for all the wrong reason's, IMO). She'll never call out all the crap that Greg laden did or that other FtBers continue to do, b/c she doesn't give a shit about it. It's about upholding any principle for her (the defense of Laden serves as prove of that), she's here to boast her own name recognition, and keep the emotionally-stunted audience she's got happy with enough drama.

By the way, I've read conflicting accounts on the "kick you in the cunt" story -- how it sprang up in the first place -- and that franc hoggle actually never said "kick you in the cunt" until after Ophelia (or was it Greta?) had insinuated something about it (but never actually said, like "Rebitchka"). 'Course they've remained steadfast on their version. Which is it?

franc has a detailed post about it on his blog from last year, http://greylining.com/2011/11/10/morpho ... t-comment/

Actually, steffy point-blank DEFENDED Laden's actions, because you know, he'd been "pushed too far, he just had to lash out."

Really.

It's like when you're at a party and the one ho be all flashing you booty and rubbin' her tits on you. At some point, it's just too much and you gots to show that girl what happens when you a cocktease.

Oh wait, that's still rape.

Even for the stupid tits at FTB, she's an ESPECIALLY stupid tit.

[Saint N.]

Actually, steffy point-blank DEFENDED Laden's actions, because you know, he'd been "pushed too far, he just had to lash out."

Really.

It's like when you're at a party and the one ho be all flashing you booty and rubbin' her tits on you. At some point, it's just too much and you gots to show that girl what happens when you a cocktease.

Oh wait, that's still rape.

Even for the stupid tits at FTB, she's an ESPECIALLY stupid tit.

Perhaps that's where Ophelia's Parallel Logic shtick comes into play. It's as good as any other time, as far as I can see.

[CommanderTuvok]

Re: Stefunny's defence of Laden - remember that "Jeff" analogy. Hilarious!

***TRIGGER WARNING***
Some people have put forward the theory that Black Svan and Osama Greg Laden are fuck buddies.

:o

[KiwiInOz]

Re: Stefunny's defence of Laden - remember that "Jeff" analogy. Hilarious!

***TRIGGER WARNING***
Some people have put forward the theory that Black Svan and Osama Greg Laden are fuck buddies.

:o

They are certainly mind fucking a lot of people.

[aweraw]

***TRIGGER WARNING***
Some people have put forward the theory that Black Svan and Osama Grag Laden are fuck buddies.

Want to see this catch on... Sir "Get off the rag, and kiss my ass" Laden

[AndrewV69]

AndrewV69: I don't really know what to think, it sounds like the feminists where on the right track? It's quite late here, so I could be a bit slow, but I think it's mainly due to the fact that we don't have alimony here (only child support), not even when you're properly married, so I'm not entirely sure on how it works, mainly heard those "rich guy have to pay ex-wife millions" stories.

I would say they were on the right track myself as far as child support is concerned. Apparently in other places without those laws divorce is pretty much cash and prizes for at least one spouse and it is the the wife who has the incentive (where you see that the women initiates 70%+ of the divorces).

Some guys hit the jackpot also under this scheme, but there are a lot of very unhappy guys (who if you the believe the evil MRAs) are suddenly reduced to poverty because of divorce, especially if having not learned their lesson the first time, go on to remarry a 2nd or even a 3rd time.

The fellow who foolishly married a female relative of mine found out the hard way, that he had to shoulder a disproportionate amount of the child support despite the fact that she made more then he did simply because he is a man.

So to my mind the Quebec model is more fair.

[TheMan]

Re: Stefunny's defence of Laden - remember that "Jeff" analogy. Hilarious!

***TRIGGER WARNING***
Some people have put forward the theory that Black Svan and Osama Greg Laden are fuck buddies.

:o

Freinds with benefits?

[rayshul]

I'm going to say this now...

Seriously, no one ever, EVER make a photoshop of Zvan and Laden.

I mean I'm really serious about this.

Don't do it. Don't even think about doing it. The world doesn't deserve that image.

[aweraw]

Seriously, no one ever, EVER make a photoshop of Zvan and Laden.

I mean I'm really serious about this.

Don't do it. Don't even think about doing it. The world doesn't deserve that image.

... and the slymepit word of the day is: pegging

[DownThunder]

Also the word phrenophilia.

All svan needs is laden and a tub of carnauba wax, and she'll be a pig in mud.

[Saint N.]

Ed Clint from Skeptic Inc Network had an interview with Oklahoma Atheists Godcast. The topic is mainly about SIN and atheist blogging, but references to the behavior of FtB and A+ are made throughout as Ed doesn't appear to be a fan of either.

[youtube]g0gVIxNOoSI[/youtube]

[sacha]

Women need to eat red meat, not men.

My understanding is that a lot of people, men and women, need red meat in their diets to prevent certain types of health issues. Perhaps I'm misinformed, or misremembering (it's been a while), but I'm pretty sure I recall reading about that somewhere or other.

Propaganda.

No one "needs" red meat. No one.

I simply want to correct a fallacy. I will not discuss this further.

There are unhealthy vegetarians and vegans that do not know how to ensure they are getting enough nutrients and protein.

Centuries of vegetarian cultures have perfected the balance needed for good health. Eat traditional vegetarian Indian cuisine and there is absolutely no need to ever eat anything that is fish, poultry, or meat (or insect).

Those who are new to a veg diet, that come from Western countries and have no experience with "ethnic" vegetarian cuisine are most often the ones, who decide to give up meat without knowing what to replace it with. Many Western doctors will simply tell their patients that they need meat, because they also are not familiar with the ingredients and ways of cooking that have been perfected to ensure what humans need. There is absolutely nothing the body needs, that one can get from meat, that cannot be found from a non-meat source.

This conversation will begin to get ugly, it always does, and the aggressive aggression comes from both sides. Nothing positive will result from this discussion/debate/argument. I've seen it far too many times in my life.

I highly advise we change the subject.

No one needs to argue this here. If it is important to any of you, go to one of the millions of places online where this is discussed every single day.

[sacha]

...Fun fact: if you crush up some "fortified" breakfast cereals and run a strong magnet through the debris, it'll pull out the (very, very fine) iron filings they add as the iron supplement.

Very interesting. I'll try that sometime.

The slymepit is now, officially, a science blog.
:)

Sorry :oops:

never apologise for science talk. The Slime Pit has quite a passion for science.

I think I can safely say that sharing scientific knowledge it is more than welcome here.

[sacha]

The "you don't call people nigger, so you're hypocritical about cunt" is mind-bogglingly stupid. I don't call people "cars" either, and I pretty much never call them "peanut butter"...

hahaha! I've missed you.

[Skep tickle]

...Fun fact: if you crush up some "fortified" breakfast cereals and run a strong magnet through the debris, it'll pull out the (very, very fine) iron filings they add as the iron supplement.

Very interesting. I'll try that sometime.

The slymepit is now, officially, a science blog.
:)

Sorry :oops:

never apologise for science talk. The Slime Pit has quite a passion for science.

I think I can safely say that sharing scientific knowledge it is more than welcome here.

Ha - thanks for that, but I should have included a winky or smiley. I may need a kick in the butt once in a while, though, if I do start nerding out and it would be better done elsewhere.

And, completely agreed, meat is not necessary at all in the human diet. [/end of red meat discussion]

[Skep tickle]

Got a grin from a couple of comments about free speech at atheism+ forum, from this page in the "You screwed Matt Dillahunty" thread: http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... 100#p26529

...excerpted below based on my own caprice, and including whimsically the bait dangled at A+ that "Atheism+ is literally Hitler because both hate free speech" (see last quote). Actually, the headline should be this:
Today's 101 lesson from Atheism+: Free speech Is Crap and Is Not Compatible With Rational Discussion

Intro to new members: Sleeper has 7 posts and is getting glares from the mods (oh, and Cipher and Grimalkin, what a shocker). Mr.Samsa has 25 points and is sucking up nicely.

Mods on any good blog are rarely seen doing their job. They are only there to protect the freedom of speech and expression from obvious abuse from spammers and trolls(in the strictest sense of the word). It is not to redefine free speech to fit a particular agenda.

The operative term here is "good". You're insiniating [sic] that your standards for what constitute "good" are universal, or at least that anyone who does not share them is some sort of lesser person to be disregarded.

And, at any rate, I don't see what this free-speech crap has to do with Matt coming on here, acting like a goddamn troll sockpuppet, and then complaining and hiding behind his big name when he got treated in kind.

"Free speech" is not something that's really compatible with rational discussion.

Pteryx praised Mr.Samsa for this line; Mr.Samsa blushed virtually and replied with

Although I fear the anti-atheism+ group will purposely misrepresent it to achieve their own ends: "Atheism+ member explicitly states that he hates free speech! Look how wrong they are! lol", or: "Atheism+ is literally Hitler because both hate free speech".

_____
Heh. I'd like to see Mr.Samsa try shopping in the marketplace of ideas, or at least try to stay afloat in a forum where he/she actually has to defend his/her claims.

[sacha]

Ha - thanks for that, but I should have included a winky or smiley.

science - YES! but no emoticons, please.

there are three of us who despise them.