Periodic Table of Swearing

[Dick Strawkins]

I'm out of here, A+ forum is way more entertaining than you lot.

Here are a couple of random pearls. There's a poster called Equality+.

That is quite possibly the funniest thing I have seen sine Elevatorgate first happened. A more perfect one-word summary of Animal Farm probably doesn't exist.

Animal Forum?

[Spence]

Nice try at quotemining. :lol:

She poses the question you've quoted and then answers it in complete contradiction to your views.

It's unbelievable. In that article she goes through the exact same thought processes that we do at the slymepit and comes (unsurprisingly) to the same conclusion that we do. Yet oolon tries to spin it the other way.

A lot of people think oolon is trolling, but from what I've seen, this is genuinely the limit of his thinking ability. When I see this I kind of pity him more than anything else.

[Lsuoma]

That cunt Penna hasn't uploaded S04E05 to thebox.bz yet. If someone knows where the fucker lives, can they pop round and lamp the bastard, please?

[bhoytony]

I didn't say cockney was the "true" rhyming slang. I said that in "true" rhyming slang, you don't say the second (rhyming) word. The point is that you are supposed to make the connection without it.

There is no true rhyming slang. Like I said there are different conventions depending where you are. It is after all slang not RP English. Some slang uses the complete phrase, some doesn't. Just because they don't where you come from doesn't mean it is universal. I've never heard anybody refer to their hands as totties, only as tottie scones. Sometimes we'll use only the first word, sometimes the whole phrase. You haven't got a scooby about our slang.

[Lsuoma]

I didn't say cockney was the "true" rhyming slang. I said that in "true" rhyming slang, you don't say the second (rhyming) word. The point is that you are supposed to make the connection without it.

There is no true rhyming slang. Like I said there are different conventions depending where you are. It is after all slang not RP English. Some slang uses the complete phrase, some doesn't. Just because they don't where you come from doesn't mean it is universal. I've never heard anybody refer to their hands as totties, only as tottie scones. Sometimes we'll use only the first word, sometimes the whole phrase. You haven't got a scooby about our slang.

The Profanisaurus is a pretty good way to learn about some of the neologistic rhyming slang. It used to be online, but now looks to be only available as an iPhone pony...

[Dick Strawkins]

Nice try at quotemining. :lol:

She poses the question you've quoted and then answers it in complete contradiction to your views.

It's unbelievable. In that article she goes through the exact same thought processes that we do at the slymepit and comes (unsurprisingly) to the same conclusion that we do. Yet oolon tries to spin it the other way.

A lot of people think oolon is trolling, but from what I've seen, this is genuinely the limit of his thinking ability. When I see this I kind of pity him more than anything else.

I tend to agree.

He actually presents a falsifiable hypothesis but ignores the multiple occasions when it is disproven.

Hey oolon, why don't FTB and the Skepchicks call Tim Minchin a misogynistic MRA?
Because he's a friend of Rebecca, and the SGU, perhaps?
Couldn't be that, theough, could it?

You only need to pray in a particular spot
to a particular version of a particular god,
and if you pull that off without a hitch,
he will fix one eye of one middle-class white bitch.

So for a bit of a change from his usual stunt
of being a sexist, racist, murderous cunt,
he popped down to Dandenong and just like that,
used his powers to heal the cataracts of Sam's mum - of Sam's mum!

[bhoytony]

The Profanisaurus is a pretty good way to learn about some of the neologistic rhyming slang. It used to be online, but now looks to be only available as an iPhone pony...

it's funny, but a hell of a lot of the entries in it are not real world phrases that are actually in use. They are made up just to go in there.

[Lsuoma]

it's funny, but a hell of a lot of the entries in it are not real world phrases that are actually in use. They are made up just to go in there.

Yeah, I know - but a man can dream, can't he?

[Tony Parsehole]

I didn't say cockney was the "true" rhyming slang. I said that in "true" rhyming slang, you don't say the second (rhyming) word. The point is that you are supposed to make the connection without it.

There is no true rhyming slang. Like I said there are different conventions depending where you are. It is after all slang not RP English. Some slang uses the complete phrase, some doesn't. Just because they don't where you come from doesn't mean it is universal. I've never heard anybody refer to their hands as totties, only as tottie scones. Sometimes we'll use only the first word, sometimes the whole phrase. You haven't got a scooby about our slang.

The Profanisaurus is a pretty good way to learn about some of the neologistic rhyming slang. It used to be online, but now looks to be only available as an iPhone pony...

How up to date are you on the Profanisaurus entries? I remember reading some pretty sick shit in there but have no idea what the names for certain scenarios are. What's it called when you rub your sweaty, hairy arse with flour in order to create a net of bum hair and clag and then try to force a shit through it?

[oolon, slimy turd]

Which "UK'ers" (plural, mind) said NO-ONE in the UK sees the word this way, on this thread? Many (including me) said most don't see it that way, but I didn't see anyone saying NO-ONE sees it this way. You also put no-one in quotes, as if you were quoting someone.

Just this one question oolon, and answer with evidence please, of which people you are talking about on this thread making the claim that you think you are countering.

Ok...

If that's the case, or if he's lived there in the recent past, then all his complaints over the meanings of "cunt" and "twat" are a sham. He already knows what they mean to non USA people.

Not what they mean to *some* people in the UK or the rest of the world even! This is specifically what I replied to. But I put 'no one' in quotes as they obviously don't believe that if they spent 1 second thinking about the language they used.

So what you think you are 'winning' over is not even my point since I put 'no one' in quotes and was obviously talking about these sort of daft statements.

My point was this is a ridiculous way to decide if something is misogynistic - I thought as the great sceptics you are you would acknowledge this and come back with a better way of determining the nature of a slur than public opinion. Apparently not. Maybe you believe that where creationists hold the majority it is fine to think the world is 6000 years old (Clue, the majority can be wrong about things you know)

[bhoytony]

I didn't say cockney was the "true" rhyming slang. I said that in "true" rhyming slang, you don't say the second (rhyming) word. The point is that you are supposed to make the connection without it.

There is no true rhyming slang. Like I said there are different conventions depending where you are. It is after all slang not RP English. Some slang uses the complete phrase, some doesn't. Just because they don't where you come from doesn't mean it is universal. I've never heard anybody refer to their hands as totties, only as tottie scones. Sometimes we'll use only the first word, sometimes the whole phrase. You haven't got a scooby about our slang.

The Profanisaurus is a pretty good way to learn about some of the neologistic rhyming slang. It used to be online, but now looks to be only available as an iPhone pony...

How up to date are you on the Profanisaurus entries? I remember reading some pretty sick shit in there but have no idea what the names for certain scenarios are. What's it called when you rub your sweaty, hairy arse with flour in order to create a net of bum hair and clag and then try to force a shit through it?

An oolon?

[BarnOwl]

I was just reading that recent Salon article/A+ propaganda (http://www.salon.com/2012/10/06/atheisms_growing_pains/) where the author claims that A+ is a grassroots movement. I wish I had a piece of evidence to counter this silly claim.

Myers has repeatedly referred to Atheism+ as a grassroots social justice movement. Here's a recent example:

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p60 ... 98cb08.png

Typical FTB spin.

I had to look at a photo of the PJ movie Théoden again, before I could be sure that the one posted here had been altered. I was thinking "I don't remember the actor resembling Myers that much." :mrgreen:

[Spence]

There is no true rhyming slang. Like I said there are different conventions depending where you are. It is after all slang not RP English. Some slang uses the complete phrase, some doesn't. Just because they don't where you come from doesn't mean it is universal. I've never heard anybody refer to their hands as totties, only as tottie scones. Sometimes we'll use only the first word, sometimes the whole phrase. You haven't got a scooby about our slang.

From wiki (my emphasis):

The construction involves replacing a common word with a rhyming phrase of two or three words and then, in almost all cases, omitting the secondary rhyming word, in a process called hemiteleia,[1][2] making the origin and meaning of the phrase elusive to listeners not in the know.

I use the term "true" to mean "true to the original intent of rhyming slang", not true as in "no true scotsman" (with apologies for the example ;) ). I recognise that it does happen that the second word is sometimes spoken in cases, but this is unusual in rhyming slang and not true to the original intent of it. I suspect we are talking at cross purposes.

[Dick Strawkins]

My point was this is a ridiculous way to decide if something is misogynistic - I thought as the great sceptics you are you would acknowledge this and come back with a better way of determining the nature of a slur than public opinion. Apparently not. Maybe you believe that where creationists hold the majority it is fine to think the world is 6000 years old (Clue, the majority can be wrong about things you know)

The majority can be wrong, can they?

Well if that's the case then why the fuck did you use the argumentum ad populum previously?

1. Say a black person is a n*gger in a context where that person is being disparaged then racism is a reasonable assumption
2. Say a gay person is a f*ggot in a context where that person is being disparaged then homophobia is a reasonable assumption
3. Say a female person is a c*nt in a context where that person is being disparaged then misogyny is a reasonable assumption

Strangely the majority of rational-sceptic-atheists will agree with all of the above. They will also agree on Humanist principles that there is scope for change. Regardless of how often you have infringed any of the above 'rules'... To imply otherwise is wrongheaded at best, and disingenuous at worst.

[Tony Parsehole]

Myers has repeatedly referred to Atheism+ as a grassroots social justice movement. Here's a recent example:

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p60 ... 98cb08.png

Reads: When A+ goes down the pan (as it is already) I can wash my hands of it without any comeback.

I had to look at a photo of the PJ movie Théoden again, before I could be sure that the one posted here had been altered. I was thinking "I don't remember the actor resembling Myers that much." :mrgreen:

It's so apt it needs a new word.

[Dick Strawkins]

I had to look at a photo of the PJ movie Théoden again, before I could be sure that the one posted here had been altered. I was thinking "I don't remember the actor resembling Myers that much." :mrgreen:

It's a sad situation, a formerly decent leader of his community who's bewitched into behaving like an evil tyrant.

[Tony Parsehole]

My point was this is a ridiculous way to decide if something is misogynistic - I thought as the great sceptics you are you would acknowledge this and come back with a better way of determining the nature of a slur than public opinion. Apparently not. Maybe you believe that where creationists hold the majority it is fine to think the world is 6000 years old (Clue, the majority can be wrong about things you know)

The majority can be wrong, can they?

Well if that's the case then why the fuck did you use the argumentum ad populum previously?

1. Say a black person is a n*gger in a context where that person is being disparaged then racism is a reasonable assumption
2. Say a gay person is a f*ggot in a context where that person is being disparaged then homophobia is a reasonable assumption
3. Say a female person is a c*nt in a context where that person is being disparaged then misogyny is a reasonable assumption

Strangely the majority of rational-sceptic-atheists will agree with all of the above. They will also agree on Humanist principles that there is scope for change. Regardless of how often you have infringed any of the above 'rules'... To imply otherwise is wrongheaded at best, and disingenuous at worst.

HAHA! Tortured!!!

I'm glad you can be arsed conversing with Oolon because this is gold. I love it when an obvious troll becomes too involved with a thread and slips up so incredibly.
Next comment will be Oolon going back into ultra troll mode and moaning about some other random, insignificant shit whilst conveniently ignoring his fuck-up.

[AndrewV69]

I know slimepitter=nutty MRA in FtBs-land but you may agree that women are still oppressed and this has an effect on the significance we give to insults directed at women by men, as we do to those applied to other oppressed groups by the oppressing group (I can't say the n-word or gay slur as Andrew will get his knickers in a twist about me being a racist homophobe)

No no no no oolon, you can say whatever words you like. I will not get my panties in a bunch. That is a misconception on your part. I suspect you may be projecting once more.

Unlike some people I really do not care what terms you use.

For some reason I remember listening to a conversation when I was in Calgary around 30 years ago among a group of people. Well, the man who had been saying "nigger" every ten words walked off, and the black guy in the group said something complimentary about him, and one girl took him to task because as far as she was concerned he was a racist. So the black guy tells her he was not offended seeing as he was saying honkey himself so ... at which point they walked off still arguing.

... the point is oolon, the words had no impact on him, and my only thought at the time was hmmmmm... there are other people like myself.... you can call me a member of a slave owning family, a neo-colonialistic elitist, an imperialistic oppressor of the poor and down trodden to my face, and it will have the same impact on me as that guy who was called a nigger to his face.

[BarnOwl]

Surely we can have our own rhyming slang.

Scabs and pus = Atheism+

Feral hogs = Freethought Blogs

Possum pouch = fainting couch

"Pull out the possum ... someone's used the word cunt in a comment on B&W."

[Guest]

Welcome Renee.

You do realise that you are posting on a site that apparently "hates women"â„¢.

:lol:

http://i.imgur.com/4xCyS.jpg

[Spence]

If that's the case, or if he's lived there in the recent past, then all his complaints over the meanings of "cunt" and "twat" are a sham. He already knows what they mean to non USA people.

Not what they mean to *some* people in the UK or the rest of the world even! This is specifically what I replied to. But I put 'no one' in quotes as they obviously don't believe that if they spent 1 second thinking about the language they used.

Oolon, you are seriously hard-of-thinking. Do you seriously think your rephrasing of their claim bears any logical resemblance of the original statement? You've completely changed the point being made, and answered a ludicrous straw man of your own design.

If you're going to engage in honest discussion, the first thing you do is to not completely change the point being made by someone else. Try answering what they actually said, and ask for clarification before heaping your own retarded interpretations on what other people say.

So what you think you are 'winning' over is not even my point since I put 'no one' in quotes and was obviously talking about these sort of daft statements.

I never claimed to be "winning" on this topic. I just wanted you to explain where it came from. I asked for evidence. So far, you have shown evidence of a different point being made, so my best guess at the moment is that it came from your overactive imagination. I am happy to correct this if you can provide evidence to the contrary.

My point was this is a ridiculous way to decide if something is misogynistic - I thought as the great sceptics you are you would acknowledge this and come back with a better way of determining the nature of a slur than public opinion. Apparently not. Maybe you believe that where creationists hold the majority it is fine to think the world is 6000 years old (Clue, the majority can be wrong about things you know)

What the fuck is this drivel about? Clue, you can't read peoples minds like you seem to think you can, and you don't know what the majority are thinking, unless you've polled them and included controls to ensure the poll is honest. That's the bigger problem with your comment, and you can't even see it.

[bhoytony]

I use the term "true" to mean "true to the original intent of rhyming slang", not true as in "no true scotsman" (with apologies for the example ;) ). I recognise that it does happen that the second word is sometimes spoken in cases, but this is unusual in rhyming slang and not true to the original intent of it. I suspect we are talking at cross purposes.

I just don't think you can use the word true in that way when talking about slang. Whatever the words and conventions in use are, they are "true".

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[Dick Strawkins]

My point was this is a ridiculous way to decide if something is misogynistic - I thought as the great sceptics you are you would acknowledge this and come back with a better way of determining the nature of a slur than public opinion. Apparently not. Maybe you believe that where creationists hold the majority it is fine to think the world is 6000 years old (Clue, the majority can be wrong about things you know)

The majority can be wrong, can they?

Well if that's the case then why the fuck did you use the argumentum ad populum previously?

1. Say a black person is a n*gger in a context where that person is being disparaged then racism is a reasonable assumption
2. Say a gay person is a f*ggot in a context where that person is being disparaged then homophobia is a reasonable assumption
3. Say a female person is a c*nt in a context where that person is being disparaged then misogyny is a reasonable assumption

Strangely the majority of rational-sceptic-atheists will agree with all of the above. They will also agree on Humanist principles that there is scope for change. Regardless of how often you have infringed any of the above 'rules'... To imply otherwise is wrongheaded at best, and disingenuous at worst.

HAHA! Tortured!!!

I'm glad you can be arsed conversing with Oolon because this is gold. I love it when an obvious troll becomes too involved with a thread and slips up so incredibly.
Next comment will be Oolon going back into ultra troll mode and moaning about some other random, insignificant shit whilst conveniently ignoring his fuck-up.

I'm still not sure whether he's an elaborate Poe, pretending to be on their side.
He's arguing so badly that the various FTB crew who monitor this thread are in serious danger of giving themselves an aneurism with the amount of facepalming produced from reading his contributions.

[oolon, slimy turd]

What the fuck is this drivel about? Clue, you can't read peoples minds like you seem to think you can, and you don't know what the majority are thinking, unless you've polled them and included controls to ensure the poll is honest. That's the bigger problem with your comment, and you can't even see it.

I'm out of insults for your stupidity. I have been arguing on here and Dick et al have been saying "but..but... most people in the UK don't see cunt as misogynistic therefore it is not a misogynistic slur". Thanks for proving my point that this is a daft way of rationalising it as not a misogynistic slur.

I suppose I could forgive you for missing it as you joined recently - but Dick... Well I dunno what is up there. Straw makes a poor cognitive substrate, maybe the wizard can help him out.

[Tony Parsehole]

My point was this is a ridiculous way to decide if something is misogynistic - I thought as the great sceptics you are you would acknowledge this and come back with a better way of determining the nature of a slur than public opinion. Apparently not. Maybe you believe that where creationists hold the majority it is fine to think the world is 6000 years old (Clue, the majority can be wrong about things you know)

The majority can be wrong, can they?

Well if that's the case then why the fuck did you use the argumentum ad populum previously?

1. Say a black person is a n*gger in a context where that person is being disparaged then racism is a reasonable assumption
2. Say a gay person is a f*ggot in a context where that person is being disparaged then homophobia is a reasonable assumption
3. Say a female person is a c*nt in a context where that person is being disparaged then misogyny is a reasonable assumption

Strangely the majority of rational-sceptic-atheists will agree with all of the above. They will also agree on Humanist principles that there is scope for change. Regardless of how often you have infringed any of the above 'rules'... To imply otherwise is wrongheaded at best, and disingenuous at worst.

HAHA! Tortured!!!

I'm glad you can be arsed conversing with Oolon because this is gold. I love it when an obvious troll becomes too involved with a thread and slips up so incredibly.
Next comment will be Oolon going back into ultra troll mode and moaning about some other random, insignificant shit whilst conveniently ignoring his fuck-up.

I'm still not sure whether he's an elaborate Poe, pretending to be on their side.
He's arguing so badly that the various FTB crew who monitor this thread are in serious danger of giving themselves an aneurism with the amount of facepalming produced from reading his contributions.

Dick, Dick, Dick.....You assume that the FTB crowd can spot bad or disingenuous arguments or are bothered by them. Tut tut. All they see is someone arguing against "The Enemy" and that is fap material enough for them. Baboons will be fingering their own bumholes over Oolons contributions even if if he says the Earth is flat (and given Oolon's past history I don't put that past him). :D

[oolon, slimy turd]

Strangely the majority of rational-sceptic-atheists will agree with all of the above. They will also agree on Humanist principles that there is scope for change. Regardless of how often you have infringed any of the above 'rules'... To imply otherwise is wrongheaded at best, and disingenuous at worst.

Yup, you got me. Argumentum ad populam. Weird that although I was wrong to use it you are happy to ignore my point based on the same fallacy?

[Spence]

I just don't think you can use the word true in that way when talking about slang. Whatever the words and conventions in use are, they are "true".

Answers.com has the best part of twenty different definitions of the word true. I just think we're on different definitions here. *shrugs*.

[Tony Parsehole]

Strangely the majority of rational-sceptic-atheists will agree with all of the above. They will also agree on Humanist principles that there is scope for change. Regardless of how often you have infringed any of the above 'rules'... To imply otherwise is wrongheaded at best, and disingenuous at worst.

Yup, you got me. Argumentum ad populam. Weird that although I was wrong to use it you are happy to ignore my point based on the same fallacy?

Oolon there attributing his own quotes to me and claiming a win. A new low? Or is this another "quote mistake"? Who really gives a fuck. Obvious spastic is obvious.

[Tigzy]

The plot thickens as regards Dolly Dillahunty; as far as Flewellyn is concerned, his perfidy now knows no bounds: http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... ment-83364

Flewellyn says:
October 6, 2012 at 7:42 pm ADT

One thing I want on the record: the reason we mods did delay on enforcing the ban, was because Matt PMed one of our mods and told us that Greta had asked both sides to agree to wait until she had a chance to talk to the moderation team. We took him at his word on this and agreed to hold off. In return, he agreed in PM to not put up his youtube video, or post any more arguments on the forums, until after Greta had spoken with us. We weren’t happy with the idea of involving her, because of her own personal issues right now, but if she had volunteered herself to deal with it, we would wait. That was the agreement.

Well, he broke that agreement within less than an hour after we made it. He kept arguing on the forums, and proceeded with his video anyway. This put us in an untenable position, because we had agreed to hold off on action under terms that were now violated. When he put up his video on Thursday, we decided that the agreement was moot.

It was too late. Damage done. We had tried to keep our part of the bargain, and he had broken his. And by trying to keep to the bargain, we damaged our users’ faith in us.

P.S.: For the record: Greta has not contacted us. Nor do we expect her to do so. We don’t fault her at all if she decides she doesn’t want to deal with this shit. It’s not something a freshly grieving person needs to have on their plate. I know firsthand that losing a parent is devastating, and saps your brainspoons like nothing else. So make no mistake, we don’t fault Greta one iota for anything about this at all.

[Spence]

I'm out of insults for your stupidity.

Don't confuse your inability to follow a logical train of thought for other people's stupidity.

I have been arguing on here and Dick et al have been saying "but..but... most people in the UK don't see cunt as misogynistic therefore it is not a misogynistic slur".

I searched for the bit in quotes - where you seem to be quoting someone - but it found one comment only, yours. Sorry, where does Dick explicitly make that argument? Can you link to it? Or have you just invented another straw man (I suspect yes, but I'll give you the opportunity to show not). I want to see the actual argument Dick made, because you have shown yourself to be less than honest in representing other peoples views. FFS, do you never learn not to attribute arguments to people that they have not made.

I know many people (me included) have noted that it has been used in the UK and not been considered, in those cases, to be misogynistic. That's what we call evidence, even though it is anecdotal, it is better than your pile of stupidity that involves believing you can read people's minds and know their subjective views on the topic, and then wail that you can't use that to prove a negative. Well, duh.

I suppose I could forgive you for missing it as you joined recently - but Dick... Well I dunno what is up there. Straw makes a poor cognitive substrate, maybe the wizard can help him out.

I've been around on this forum for longer than you oolon, although real life sometimes gets in the way and I can't always keep 100% up to date. Your reasoning is (as it always has been) just a confused fucking mess. The points we make are simple to follow and understand, and are explained in detail in that link that you gave to the "F" word. It completely endorsed our position. Just try and read it, and understand it. At least then you'll be arguing against our actual position, and not the weird position that you've falsely attributed to us.

[Dick Strawkins]

Strangely the majority of rational-sceptic-atheists will agree with all of the above. They will also agree on Humanist principles that there is scope for change. Regardless of how often you have infringed any of the above 'rules'... To imply otherwise is wrongheaded at best, and disingenuous at worst.

Yup, you got me. Argumentum ad populam. Weird that although I was wrong to use it you are happy to ignore my point based on the same fallacy?

To suggest that words have different meanings, depending on the place or time, is not employing the 'Argumentum ad populum'-
Once we've established that there are regional variations in accepted meaning we are left with the conclusion that, being reasonable, we must allow for a variation of alternative meanings for the word in question.
Perhaps there is a place where "cunt" is always purely misogynistic, a phrase denoting a pejorative term for women in general.
And perhaps there is another place where "cunt" is simply a word for a female's genitals, a word which is sometimes used as a gender neutral insult.

If you seek to argue that the former meaning takes precedent over the latter then please provide some evidence to support your claim.

[Skep tickle]

I am never going to be able to look at Oolong tea now without the word "cunt" coming to mind.

[CommanderTuvok]

Some whacko even wanted to contact JV's family, from memory.

Are we thinking it was a Baboon or an Aplusser?

[The Pelagic Argosy]

While mowing my lawn, I remembered an old phrase I haven't heard in a while. Some people call the A+ crowd "delicate flowers", but I remember the old phrase (something like) "hothouse flowers" - plants that were too delicate to survive outside of a greenhouse, or ones that required a lot of care. Normally tropical plants if my memory is correct (could be wrong). However, I think calling the damaged people at that forum (seek professional help, seriously) flowers is misleading, unless they are that one flower that smells like rotting meat.

You appear to be dead on there, Badger, sir. The excellent phrases.org.uk has a good discussion on it. It was used by Dickens:

Re: Hothouse Flower
Posted by Smokey Stover on April 01, 2004
In Reply to: Re: Hothouse Flower posted by ESC on March 31, 2004

: : What does the phrase "hothouse flower" mean. Thanks a lot.

: A flower that isn't hardy enough to grow under natural conditions. It has to be pampered and grown in a greenhouse or hothouse.

: On "Frazier," (a U.S. television show), the main character was complaining about various things that bothered him. His father said, "Aren't you the little hothouse orchid."

ESC is, as usual, exactly right. For the figurative use of the phrase in regard to people (besides Frazier) who need pampering or special conditions, the OED cites Dickens (in Nicholas Nickleby, 1838): "Mrs. Witterly is of a very excitable nature, very delicate, very fragile, a hothouse plant." SS

[Lsuoma]

Some whacko even wanted to contact JV's family, from memory.

Are we thinking it was a Baboon or an Aplusser?

Baboollie, IIRC.

The woman got REALLY deranged.

[Lsuoma]

Some whacko even wanted to contact JV's family, from memory.

Are we thinking it was a Baboon or an Aplusser?

Baboollie, IIRC.

The woman got REALLY deranged.

Maybe not, the images posted here come from Facebook: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=73&p=11552

[Lsuoma]

Er, here.

[CommanderTuvok]

http://cdn.head-fi.org/a/ae/aecf06b7_angry-mob.bmp
Doormat Dillahunty - THEY'RE COMING AFTER YOU!!!

[Saint N.]

the reason we mods did delay on enforcing the ban, was because Matt PMed one of our mods and told us that Greta had asked both sides to agree to wait until she had a chance to talk to the moderation team.

Why would they need to consult with Greta to referee this one? If they're saying that Matt broke their rule and therefore deserved to be banned, how would Greta (or anyone else) stepping in change this fact? People's privileges are showing left and right.

[Rystefn]

Rystefn said:

Wait a minute ... I thought you were the guy who rapes his girlfriends? I mean, you know, according to Saints Skepchick and the Holy Rolling FfTB.

Oh yeah, that, too. I'm also lying about serving in the military. I'm sure there's more I'm forgetting.

[Za-zen]

quickmeme.com/meme/3r8ewp/

[Butters]

[quote="Dick Strawkins"]Is it true they have cameras in the atheism plus moderators 'safe room'?





Sorry to intrude, but I wanted to update the date and year

[Butters]

Er, here.

Stephanie on there says Amy had to move (unless she was talking about someone else).
Has this been verified? That's seems to be a dubious claim to say the least.

Also, Stephanie is coo coo bananas. THAT is the sort of person ones needs to be afraid of for changing from online stalker to IRL stalker.

[Rystefn]

If Amy moved, it's not because she had to.

[TFJ]

Rayshul:

I do have sympathy for the crying people from A+, by the way. A+ has attracted some genuinely fragile people who are clearly quite damanged and unable to cope in normal circles. I think in that way it's probably been quite successful - so props to them for that - I'm just really uncomfortable about how it treats them after they get there.

I've been on mental health issues boards before (I'm an occasional hypochondriac in a OH FUCK I HAS THE CANCER way) and the way they run them is very different from this. I do understand that it's positive to blerrrgh all your feelings about something and keep a journal of your feelings so you can get a grasp on how your mental health is affecting your life. But A+ is not the place to do this. The sooner these people realise it and leave is probably for the best.

The thing that stands out about the most effective MH recovery boards is that the mods will allow a certain amount of blaming and self-pity, but there will come a point where they step in and say "own your own shit". A+ is like mental health anti recovery.

[Pitchguest]

Hello, new face here at "the Pit." I finally decided to sign up and see what was all the fuss about! However, most of you don't give off the vibe of being horrible rapists (as opposed to the really good rapists), nor belittle women to feed your growing misogyny so it seems I was misinformed. A shame, I figured I would find some kinship here being labelled this myself. Could argue that it was passed on to me unfairly, however I have it on good authority I was trolling and readily deserved it.

I've done the occasional truth-forging over at the echo chamber (FTB, haven't visited A+theism or Skepchick) where I go by the moniker PG (or PeeGee), however I managed to be put in moderation on most blogs there by the primary offenders even though I tried my best to be both accomodating and polite. This accomodation and polite nature of mine, though, was translated as "concern and/or tone trolling" and either subsequently banned or permanently put in moderation. Still astounding to get that line of defense. The most amusing part is how even after they ban you over there, they will continue asking you questions and then assume victory when no response is given. Because we can't, you daft morons.

I was told I was a "Slymepitter" (along with MRA, misogynist, women-hater) many times (even though I've never been here) so I needed to see it for myself and see what the hell they were so damned paranoid about.

Anyway, you guys seem like right cunts and I'm a right prick. I'll fit right in! (A nod is as good as a wink to a blind bat!)

[Gumby]

Hello, new face here at "the Pit." I finally decided to sign up and see what was all the fuss about! However, most of you don't give off the vibe of being horrible rapists (as opposed to the really good rapists), nor belittle women to feed your growing misogyny so it seems I was misinformed. A shame, I figured I would find some kinship here being labelled this myself. Could argue that it was passed on to me unfairly, however I have it on good authority I was trolling and readily deserved it.

I've done the occasional truth-forging over at the echo chamber (FTB, haven't visited A+theism or Skepchick) where I go by the moniker PG (or PeeGee), however I managed to be put in moderation on most blogs there by the primary offenders even though I tried my best to be both accomodating and polite. This accomodation and polite nature of mine, though, was translated as "concern and/or tone trolling" and either subsequently banned or permanently put in moderation. Still astounding to get that line of defense. The most amusing part is how even after they ban you over there, they will continue asking you questions and then assume victory when no response is given. Because we can't, you daft morons.

I was told I was a "Slymepitter" (along with MRA, misogynist, women-hater) many times (even though I've never been here) so I needed to see it for myself and see what the hell they were so damned paranoid about.

Anyway, you guys seem like right cunts and I'm a right prick. I'll fit right in! (A nod is as good as a wink to a blind bat!)

Welcome! Funny how so many new people say "Gee, this place and you guys are nothing like the way FTB describes you."

They've been desperately trying to poison the Slimepit well for a long time. The reason is simple: they simply cannot stand the fact that there is a place where people don't kowtow to them, and aren't afraid of them. And they cannot handle the fact that this place debunks their atrocious nonsense on a daily basis. So they hold their noses, libel us, call us rape apologists, MRAs, scumbags etc., try to dox us, et. al.in an attempt to keep their own away from here and others from being tempted to check this place out.

Meanwhile, we just have fun pointing out their lies and having belly larfs at their angry, pretentious expense. So have fun!

[windy]

I feel like the chill girl thing - that girls act in a certain way so boys like them - is kind of the wrong way round. Or the accusations are leveled at the wrong parties. The gender feminists are obsessed with boys, how boys interact with them, what rules boys should have for approaching them, and a fuck load of other hilarious headgames which are all like, YOU SHOULD KNOW HOW TO BEHAVE. WHAT I DID NOT TELL YOU, YOU SHOULD KNOW. OH YOU DONT GET IT. And then the whole running away to talk about what the boy did wrong and how the perfect boy does things THIS way not THAT way and gosh boys are always so into them...

Quintessential chill girl behavior, or sexxxy skeptic pool party*?
[youtube]eiuHdUkuRi0[/youtube]
*before the movement's Elevator-to-Damascus moment

[Vigil]

http://cdn.head-fi.org/a/ae/aecf06b7_angry-mob.bmp
Doormat Dillahunty - THEY'RE COMING AFTER YOU!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Best laugh I've had in days.

[Gumby]

http://cdn.head-fi.org/a/ae/aecf06b7_angry-mob.bmp
Doormat Dillahunty - THEY'RE COMING AFTER YOU!!!

Too many privileged old white men in that pic.

[barkbarkwoof]

The attitude difference between mental health forums and A+ is that people who post on MH forums are mostly people who can't cope with the world and would like to change themselves to cope with it while the A+ crowd are the kind of people who can't cope with the world and expect it to change to cope with them.

A+ is little more than another icon for narcissism.

[Mykeru]

Really Amy? Gonna sue someone for $100,000 for using a picture of one of your derivative summer-camp-for-special-kids art projects?

Jesus, you fuckers are a bunch of thin skinned bullies. And I hate bullies.

You know what this means, don't you? It means I am pausing in my editing my latest video just to figure out a way to work in you, your crap, and your laughable threats.

As a satirist, the law pretty much gives me the right to give you the finger in thirty-wonderful flavors. See "Falwell v. Flynt" and the Copyright Act of 1976 on the extra special place for parody. None of that is superseded by the Digital Millenial Copyright Act. . And since you are commercially promoting yourself and your flea market reject crap, you are a public figure as much as the guy trying to sell Slap-Chop at 3 am, which would give you even less of a leg to stand on.

Fuck you.

I'm a divorced professional guy with no kids and so I am my only dependent. I've been harassed by serious right-wing assholes in the past and even they had nothing that I actually feared. My attorney is a ruthless and accomplished woman and she'd eat you for breakfast and shit out Surly-ramics by lunch. I'm willing to pay money for no other reason to get one of you fucks to sit down for a nice 4-hour videotaped deposition under oath about your extracurricular activities, previous history of threats and who knew what when.

If you want to see what that looks like, check out the deposition of Terry Hobbes of The Robinhood Hills Murders fame:

[youtube][/youtube]

Hobbs was dumb enough to sue Natalie Maines of The Dixie Chicks for defamation, which got him nothing but a nice long deposition where he repeatedly contradicted and implicated himself. That deposition was crucial in the eventual release of the West Memphis three on an Alford Plea.

So, if you would like to sit down and talk about, say, your own doxing of people, false DMCA claims and anything else you might have hidden in your sock drawer that you'd like to become a matter of public record, you've picked a perfect way to do it.

Some people don't have the time and resources to call your bluffs.

I do.

Happy hunting, honey.

[CommanderTuvok]

There was a post earlier this evening referring to Ophelia Benson getting a bit upset (oh fuck off and do something useful for once, Ophelia) about Dawkins using the word "bitchy". However, Opheilia does not seem to have the same qualms about he Novellas using the term "science works, bitches!" and other swear words that in normal circumstances they would rant and rave about. Queen Bee herself has a rather dirty gob (that does not include sucking PZ's dick). Futher, I don't think Ophelia has ever told off her bestest friend and little runt Rhys Morgan about his use of the term "cunt" on his Twitter feed.

Different rulez for differen folkz.

[CommanderTuvok]

I have a funny feeling the reception Surly Amy will get at the next TAM (if she goes) will be even more frosty and hostile than the last time.

As Black Svan says, it's "pushback". Get used to it Amy.

[HoneyWagon]

Really Amy? Gonna sue someone for $100,000 for using a picture of one of your derivative summer-camp-for-special-kids art projects?

Jesus, you fuckers are a bunch of thin skinned bullies. And I hate bullies.

You know what this means, don't you? It means I am pausing in my editing my latest video just to figure out a way to work in you, your crap, and your laughable threats.

As a satirist, the law pretty much gives me the right to give you the finger in thirty-wonderful flavors. See "Falwell v. Flynt" and the Copyright Act of 1976 on the extra special place for parody. None of that is superseded by the Digital Millenial Copyright Act. . And since you are commercially promoting yourself and your flea market reject crap, you are a public figure as much as the guy trying to sell Slap-Chop at 3 am, which would give you even less of a leg to stand on.

Fuck you.

I'm a divorced professional guy with no kids and so I am my only dependent. I've been harassed by serious right-wing assholes in the past and even they had nothing that I actually feared. My attorney is a ruthless and accomplished woman and she'd eat you for breakfast and shit out Surly-ramics by lunch. I'm willing to pay money for no other reason to get one of you fucks to sit down for a nice 4-hour videotaped deposition under oath about your extracurricular activities, previous history of threats and who knew what when.

If you want to see what that looks like, check out the deposition of Terry Hobbes of The Robinhood Hills Murders fame:

[youtube][/youtube]

Hobbs was dumb enough to sue Natalie Maines of The Dixie Chicks for defamation, which got him nothing but a nice long deposition where he repeatedly contradicted and implicated himself. That deposition was crucial in the eventual release of the West Memphis three on an Alford Plea.

So, if you would like to sit down and talk about, say, your own doxing of people, false DMCA claims and anything else you might have hidden in your sock drawer that you'd like to become a matter of public record, you've picked a perfect way to do it.

Some people don't have the time and resources to call your bluffs.

I do.

Happy hunting, honey.

Just to be clear, wasn't her threatening to sue for $100.000 for Thundferf00t posting an image or partial image of Amy holding a sign drawn in markers that said "Talking about sexism is not the problem. Sexism is the problem." (found here) , and the threat of legal action was for Justin using an image of one her necklaces in a story about her and her necklaces?

[Butters]

I have a funny feeling the reception Surly Amy will get at the next TAM (if she goes) will be even more frosty and hostile than the last time.

As Black Svan says, it's "pushback". Get used to it Amy.

I know more than a few people who are counting on TAM not being inundated with skepchicks and FTBers in 2013.

I think that lot will avoid TAM until they are successful in getting D.J. removed. Nothing else will do.

[Michael K Gray]

*Thrust, not trust.

RAPE!!!

[Michael K Gray]

I was kind of convinced that the apology video would not see the light of day, but clearly tf00t made sure it happened, but the fact that venomfangx went through with it shows some integrity on his part as well.

I don't think he had any choice. Making false claims is a criminal offense as far as I can recall.

If I recall correctly, his mother made him do it.
Seriously.

[Mykeru]

Just to be clear, wasn't her threatening to sue for $100.000 for Thundferf00t posting an image or partial image of Amy holding a sign drawn in markers that said "Talking about sexism is not the problem. Sexism is the problem." (found here) , and the threat of legal action was for Justin using an image of one her necklaces in a story about her and her necklaces?

Well, it's old news then. Bummer. However, should she decide to renew the threat, and you know she will, I am fully prepared to give her my full and undivided litigious attention.

[Michael K Gray]

I just realized - didn't Matt say at one time that the ACA was with the A+ "movement", or that they agreed with them - something to that effect? That's one reason I have had nothing to do with the ACA - even not bothering to listen to the podcast. Assuming I'm correct, and maybe someone remembers better than I, how the hell can he say he's not wearing his "president of the ACA" hat to TF00t?

He only wears his ACA hat on one of his faces.