Periodic Table of Swearing

[Parge]

So, you figure Cristina Rad has thrown in the FfTB farty towel? She has neither posted a blog entry, nor answered any questions on her blog since September 7. That's more than two months.

She seems to still be active on Twitter. Apparently, on September 8, she participated in an MSF fundraiser with Thunderf00t. Probably just a coincidence. Anything beyond that would be pure speculation.

[Scented Nectar]

[Trigger Warning: This post both quotes and replies to oolon]

I said I did screencap it... Anyway... Definitely off now.. Never to return etc...

*slam!* Oops, sorry about your ass. Buh-bye.

If we were the nasty types, like the tattletale gang, you would probably be reported to the authorities for being in possession of child porn. We do NOT want that here at the pit, none of us. But you, slimy one actually saved a copy. Why? It can't be because you need to show the nasty post was made, since we don't deny that, or that the Pit had to remove it and ban its poster. So, why else would you save a copy? You wanking to it? I mean, you were certainly excited that it happened.

All the above are hypothetical questions. Don't answer them, foolon, since I want you to stick to your flounce.

Well, wait actually, just answer this: Is your period key stuck or something? You display the ellipsis abuse stupidity trait. Up until now, I've only seen it in (likely homeschooled) xtian fundies. Why do you do it? Are you just typing out thought fragments rather than actual sentences?

[Dick Strawkins]

Horrifying instances of gendered slurs being used to disparage prominent atheist!
http://storify.com/john_s_wilkins/rape-and-religion

I've no doubt that Harris can stick up for himself but the instance does highlight that accomodationists (like Wilkins and Yong) claim of being above the use of insults is simply a sham.

[Keating]

One of the underlying axioms of the atheist community (indeed, a point of pride) is that it's a loose collective that evolves naturally, with no need for strict controls or organizational hierarchies.

See, I'm not sure that is an axiom. Otherwise, there would have been no need for 'atheist leaders' or conferences in the first place. That many people look up to Dawkins, or even Myers shows that many atheists were happy to have a hierarchy of some kind.

I was thinking something more along the lines of an uncomfortable truth is more valuable than a comfortable fallacy. That inevitably leads into what is actually true, and when we're talking about social sciences, that's incredibly hard to decide as a layman. The pay gap, is an example. It is commonly reported to still be fairly large, but it often isn't clear what is actually being compared. There are then other reports that say that there is no pay gap, if all factors are taken into account and you look strictly at pay rate for equal work. Who to believe? What best matches my own biases? How much of this kind of effect is in play? When it comes to social sciences, the amount of work you have to do to be sure of the 'facts' you're relying on to make an argument is very large. It really isn't easy to work out how much biases and ruling ideologies are in play, and who is actually trustworthy. The point: My response is (and society's response should be) quite different if it is really true that an equally qualified woman putting exactly the same effort into a job as a man only earns 3/4 of the man's wage, then if it is simply the case that the median income for women is 3/4 that of the median income of men.

Social sciences and science reporting are full of these kinds of problems. To build a little more on what I was trying to get at before, how much of the atheism plus movement is based on people who simply lost the hand life dealt them. Life is full of risks, which means that some people are going to have awful lives full of suffering through no fault of their own. Given the number of people involved, are we dealing with an actual problem, or simply the 'acceptable losses' of a system that is never going to be perfect. I don't mean any cruelty by saying that. It is simply an extension of the road fatality example I gave before. Allowing people to drive fast guarantees that some people will die on the roads. Allowing people the freedom to interact freely guarantees that some people will be emotionally hurt.

Basically, to grossly oversimplify, I think this whole schism is based on a battle over free will in the community.

I think this might be closer to it. How many people suffering should a society be prepared to accept as 'acceptable losses' to allow the vast majority to live enjoyable, full lives?

[Pitchguest]

To the slimy turd: Why the fuck would you screencap child porn, even on the Slyme? The fuck is wrong with you? It was removed and its user even BANNED (the first time ever a user been BANNED on the Slyme) and you're seeing it and going, "Oh, well, here's a treat, child porn, can use that," Well, no, you can't, because it wasn't being condoned and it wasn't being swept under the rug, so really, you screencapped child porn and now what? Think! I would have thought with all your bravado and all your grandstanding, it would have occured to you that this was a Bad Idea.

I can't figure it out. Were you thinking of using it as a bargaining chip to Benson, Zvan or even Myers, in showing that you've been a 'good boy' like a student giving an apple to their teacher? What were you thinking?

:|

[Parge]

Horrifying instances of gendered slurs being used to disparage prominent atheist!
http://storify.com/john_s_wilkins/rape-and-religion

I've no doubt that Harris can stick up for himself but the instance does highlight that accomodationists (like Wilkins and Yong) claim of being above the use of insults is simply a sham.

What is it with this notion that rape is the be-all and end-all of horrible things on this planet. If you look at the context of what Harris is saying, it's that religion is an outgrowth of human nature, just like genocide, and rape, and every goddamned other thing we do are outgrowths of our human nature. So when presented the idiotic magic wand scenario, and the inflammatory dichotomy between rape and religion and which one should be dissappeared (poof!), he chooses religion. Big fucking whoop.

So where was genocide in that scenario? Genocide or rape? Yeah, give me rape over having huge swathes of my cultural/genetic enclave buchered for no good reason. And just like religion is not the only thing out there that can be used to control societies and justify all of the horrible things we do to one another (See Stalinism... and no, that's not one of those tired, bullshit idictments of atheism either), rape isn't the only thing out there that can fuck up your dream life and turn you into a violated, paranoid hermit (yeah, genocide fits the bill too, doncha think?). Just look at the survival statistics (seriously, can someone look at those? I don't have the foggiest). What has the higher survival rate: a run-in with rape, or a run-in with religous fanatics? Sure, 911 skewed the stats a bit in the contemporary scale of things, but rape and religion have been around forever. Religious persecution can include rape, but even when you take that out of the picture, you still have all that flaying and burning at the stake and other unsavoury tortures. Let's not forget our missing trichotomy, though. What are the survival rates for genocide? Pretty fucking low, I imagine.

Yeah Sam Harris is a dick. I guess I'm a dick too. Feels pretty good.

[Parge]

My mistake. Harris wasn't presented with it. He introduced it. Does not change my opinion one whit.

[Al Stefanelli]

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[Al Stefanelli]

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[Parge]

...

And I am not even on Israel's side of late. I may have to change my opinion just to avoid being lumped in with this bunch of crackpots.

I sometimes think that's their goal: taint the civilized, progressive stance with enough batshit, and it becomes objectionable to civilized, progressive people.

Applesaucers*, you're doing a heckuva job.

*forgive me, I'm trying a new line of epithets on for size

[oolon, slimy turd]

To the slimy turd: Why the fuck would you screencap child porn, even on the Slyme? The fuck is wrong with you? It was removed and its user even BANNED (the first time ever a user been BANNED on the Slyme) and you're seeing it and going, "Oh, well, here's a treat, child porn, can use that," Well, no, you can't, because it wasn't being condoned and it wasn't being swept under the rug, so really, you screencapped child porn and now what? Think! I would have thought with all your bravado and all your grandstanding, it would have occured to you that this was a Bad Idea.

I can't figure it out. Were you thinking of using it as a bargaining chip to Benson, Zvan or even Myers, in showing that you've been a 'good boy' like a student giving an apple to their teacher? What were you thinking?

:|

:hankey: Hidely Ho Children!

Don't worry I've sent it off to Dreamhost as an example of why this site should be removed with documented evidence of the harassment perpetrated here in the name of "scepticism"...

[Ape+lust]

(Punch-a-cunt card)

Oh, swell. I can hear the klaxons going off in Ophelia's blogcave from here. I hope she can bang out one of her crabbed posts pretty quick, I don't feel like listening to them all day.

[Al Stefanelli]

Oolon has changed his profile picture...

http://www.alstefanelli.com/Oolon.jpg

OK, not really. But he should...

[welch]

I love the idea of the government of Belarus allowing the creation of a closed city in the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone whose existence, location, and function, is heavily classified, where, in order to get in, you must be Atheist and Red to some degree or another, and that any Atheist anywhere in the world could apply for citizenship as a refugee; similar to Jewish Zionism and the state of Israel. The Government of Belarus could publicly advertize free citizenship for any atheist anywhere in the world, provided they where Red enough to live in Belarus and that community. The government would subsidize travel expenses and create new identity documents on arrival to the closed city for refugees, with the option of even being given a whole new identity being there for anyone to take should they choose to do so, without red tape or having to prove 'persecuted' status. The government would keep the old identity with the state security department for reference purposes, and the new identitys' tie to the old would be very closely guarded, enabling atheists who are coming from places with theocracies in place to escape without fearing they will live the rest of their lives looking over their shoulder for their government in their birth place of origin coming after them.

Limited sovereignty could be given to such a closed city, and soviets (workers councils) would obviously be able to decide the tempo of day to day life (in general). The idea of this phenomena spreading to China, Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, North Korea, etc, is an intriguing one to me. Such communities could be safe havens for atheists and culture that develops free from any religious influences.

It may be a bugger to get there, but at least "the government" would "subsidize" you. Bully for "the government". I'll bet the Byelorussians will be surprised to get the subsidy requests, especially since the exclusion zone is in the Ukraine.

I'm sure that this scenario is a wistful fantasy of only one A+er, and the rest have much more realistic dreams.

Good one A+ .
You think you've seen it all and then you go the extra mile yet again. Radioactive Belorussian/Ukranian safe-space-cities for atheist refugees with subsidised travel, housing and brand new identities for all.
A million comedians in a million years could not produce one tenth of this pure, distilled hilarity.

This also highlights the closed thinking of the A+forum. Why settle for an imaginary, never-gonna-happen radiation-poisoned hellhole in Eastern Europe when you could have an imaginary, never-gonna-happen island in the Bahamas?

I vote for the forest in Japan where people go to hang themselves.

[Pitchguest]

...

And I am not even on Israel's side of late. I may have to change my opinion just to avoid being lumped in with this bunch of crackpots.

I sometimes think that's their goal: taint the civilized, progressive stance with enough batshit, and it becomes objectionable to civilized, progressive people.

Applesaucers*, you're doing a heckuva job.

*forgive me, I'm trying a new line of epithets on for size

Hehe, applesaucers.

Seriously, though, even though I can't stand A+ and its denizens, if I were to choose between them and Israel, I'd choose them. Israel, or rather the Israeli government, Netanyahu and his whole bloody administration (emphasis on bloody), have caused a lot of pain and hardships for the sake of religious reasons (wouldn't you know it) and just out of pure spite. The recent attack from Israel to Gaza was 100% provocation and now they're saying they're not ruling out a ground war. And all in time for the re-election in January. Fuuuuck them. Fuck 'em.

[Tony Parsehole]

To the slimy turd: Why the fuck would you screencap child porn, even on the Slyme? The fuck is wrong with you? It was removed and its user even BANNED (the first time ever a user been BANNED on the Slyme) and you're seeing it and going, "Oh, well, here's a treat, child porn, can use that," Well, no, you can't, because it wasn't being condoned and it wasn't being swept under the rug, so really, you screencapped child porn and now what? Think! I would have thought with all your bravado and all your grandstanding, it would have occured to you that this was a Bad Idea.

I can't figure it out. Were you thinking of using it as a bargaining chip to Benson, Zvan or even Myers, in showing that you've been a 'good boy' like a student giving an apple to their teacher? What were you thinking?

:|

:hankey: Hidely Ho Children!

Don't worry I've sent it off to Dreamhost as an example of why this site should be removed with documented evidence of the harassment perpetrated here in the name of "scepticism"...

Bless your kiddy-fiddling heart. You were the only person on this site who, upon seeing child porn, downloaded it , admitted it and then alluded to distributing said child porn to your followers via a possible future blogpost.
I wonder if in retrospect you think that was a bad idea?

Personally I'm all for an investigation into the matter. Your admission to being part of the illegal activity is there for all to see and no amount or faux cheerful smilies can change the fact that you are shitting yourself.

[Al Stefanelli]

(Punch-a-cunt card)

Oh, swell. I can hear the klaxons going off in Ophelia's blogcave from here. I hope she can bang out one of her crabbed posts pretty quick, I don't feel like listening to them all day.

It should be noted that particular e-card was posted to Facebook by one of me FEMALE friends, who found it incredibly hilarious.

[welch]

I love the idea of the government of Belarus allowing the creation of a closed city in the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone whose existence, location, and function, is heavily classified, where, in order to get in, you must be Atheist and Red to some degree or another, and that any Atheist anywhere in the world could apply for citizenship as a refugee; similar to Jewish Zionism and the state of Israel. The Government of Belarus could publicly advertize free citizenship for any atheist anywhere in the world, provided they where Red enough to live in Belarus and that community. The government would subsidize travel expenses and create new identity documents on arrival to the closed city for refugees, with the option of even being given a whole new identity being there for anyone to take should they choose to do so, without red tape or having to prove 'persecuted' status. The government would keep the old identity with the state security department for reference purposes, and the new identitys' tie to the old would be very closely guarded, enabling atheists who are coming from places with theocracies in place to escape without fearing they will live the rest of their lives looking over their shoulder for their government in their birth place of origin coming after them.

Limited sovereignty could be given to such a closed city, and soviets (workers councils) would obviously be able to decide the tempo of day to day life (in general). The idea of this phenomena spreading to China, Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, North Korea, etc, is an intriguing one to me. Such communities could be safe havens for atheists and culture that develops free from any religious influences.

And why precisely would the government do all this?!

Morbid curiousity?

"Hey vlad, remember how we argued about how real Lord of the Flies was? Wanna test it? Read this!"

" DUUUUUUUUDE"

[welch]

Simpleflower has to be a Poe... the stuff that she pushes is just so hilariously fucked up and extreme, it looks very much like someone trying to see how far s/h/it can push the boundaries before the A+mod squad finally get a clue.

Sure, there is a chance that it's someone who is suffering from some serious mental problems, who should have been institutionalized years ago and kept away from enabling "safe spaces" like the A+ forums, but... FFS, cannibalism, concentration camps and kicking the skulls in on people for saying mean things, North Korea and a Chernobyl atheist state? Doesn't it just reek of someone who's laughing their ass off at how far s/h/it has managed to push the A+ mods?

The most outrageous comments do sound like a Poe, but this comment sounds like it's coming from a very disturbed individual who's not laughing or pushing their buttons.

Of course, a good Poe would know how to create a comment that sounds exactly like a typical A+ "I'm a victim, woe is me" screed.
My Poe-meter doesn't work with simpleflower, I can't really say if s/h/it is a Poe or not.

Oh and guess who shows up to pour Coleman fuel on it all? The head "let's you and him fight!" Douche himself, oolon.

What. A. Shock.

And really simple flower, lots of people have bad things happen to them. They just don't fucking wallow in it for decades. Stop blaming decades-old trauma as you excuse for being such a shitcock. You're a fucking adult, your life is your fault now. Take some fucking responsibility.

[Saint N.]

Can I get a link to the webpage of the content she sent a DMCA request for?

Haven't seen anyone respond to you yet so here's a link to Justin's old site explaining the matter, http://www.justinvacula.com/2012/08/dmca.html

[Ape+lust]

It should be noted that particular e-card was posted to Facebook by one of me FEMALE friends, who found it incredibly hilarious.

Hanging out with those cheap girls on the corner again, Al? Well, tuck in your shirt, Granny Rectitude is coming to learn you whut's whut.

[Tony Parsehole]

Oi, Tigzy!
Looks you your little story about oolon and Nigel really got under his skin:
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... lon#p49386

Click "show".

[bhoytony]

Truly pathetic post from our friendly local pedo

http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv87 ... 768416.jpg

[Al Stefanelli]

Another vid...

"The Destructive Force Of Missionary Evangelism"

[youtube]C6wkmfGmDeU[/youtube]

[Tony Parsehole]

Truly pathetic post from our friendly local pedo

He basically said "well, I told on you all so ner ner ner" probably in the vain hope that the police would go easy on him.
Have to admit I was expecting and hoping for more.
Come on oolon! At least try and defend downloading and talking about distributing a picture you yourself dubbed "kiddy porn".

[Ape+lust]

Oi, Tigzy!
Looks you your little story about oolon and Nigel really got under his skin:
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... lon#p49386

Click "show".

He was warned on his first day not to drag Slymepit shit into there. Not being able to mention the Pit is giving him blueballs.

[Tigzy]

Oi, Tigzy!
Looks you your little story about oolon and Nigel really got under his skin:
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... lon#p49386

Click "show".

:lol: Oh, my bad. Pedobear doesn't know any 'Nigel's, apparently.

[acathode]

There was a "vote" for Antartica. And yes, Israel = poison, Hamas = Hezbollah = left = good. Twits. (Honestly, the A+ people don't matter either way.)

And I am not even on Israel's side of late. I may have to change my opinion just to avoid being lumped in with this bunch of crackpots.

I'd pay money to see (from a safe distance) the dysfunctional A+ forum inhabitants try to survive in a isolated village on Antarctica...

Just imagine some scenes:
The A+ers trying to decide how to survive, all of them decides that writing on the internet about how oppressed they are, because no one else takes care of keeping them warm or providing them with food, will be the best solution to the problems facing them.

Someone uses a forbidden word while writing internet posts, get's her head bashed by a mob of angry community members, spearheaded by two moderators, who've made themselves two "moderator hats" out of some empty cardboard boxes.

Someone else makes the mistake of doubling down, another one forget to check his privilege, and someone just happen to be a cis-gendered white male, not even queer. The mob, now chanting "FUCKITYFUCKITYFUCKITY THE TROLLS!", bash all of their skulls in.

The pile of corpses grow larger and larger by the hour, and the remaining A+ers have a vote of what to do: either burn them for warmth, or eat them. Everyone but Simpleflower and Setar (trying to get on Simpleflower's good side) votes for making a bonfire out of the corpses.

Simpleflower, being very upset about being oppressed by democracy, kills Setar and eats him. No one cares, since Setar was just a white guy who faked being queer in hopes of getting laid.

Someone admits to being raped as a child. Piegasm kills him, because being dead is better than being a rape victim. Simpleflower eats the corpse.

and so on... Basically, it would be Lord of the Flies, on drugs! Though it would only last for about 2 days, at that point they run out of corpses to keep the fire going and dies from the cold.

... yeah... (I'm "mildly" sleep deprived atm, sorry for the fucked up humor)

As for the Israel/Palestine conflict, yes, the one-dimensional Israel = USA = evil empire => Hamas = freedomfighting rebels, as seen in many parts of the progressive left is really annoying, and at least over here seems that the underdog status of the Palestinians carries over to Islam as a whole, and is one of the reasons why it's so taboo to criticize Islam and Muslims. SJWs will often twists themselves into a pretzel before daring to say anything negative about Islam, and will loudly smear anyone who does as a racist, which is really strange considering that Islam by all the normal SJW standards should be seen as one of the vilest ideologies, full of actual misogyny, sexism, homophobia, totalitarianism, etc.

With that said, I can't say I'm very fond of Israel, they certainly come of as the bigger asshole in this conflict, mainly because they have the biggest guns and all of the advantages, hence also having a great deal more responsibility for how things play out. And they are playing out spectacularly shitty.

[jimthepleb]

I love the idea of the government of Belarus allowing the creation of a closed city in the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone whose existence, location, and function, is heavily classified, where, in order to get in, you must be Atheist and Red to some degree or another, and that any Atheist anywhere in the world could apply for citizenship as a refugee; similar to Jewish Zionism and the state of Israel. The Government of Belarus could publicly advertize free citizenship for any atheist anywhere in the world, provided they where Red enough to live in Belarus and that community. The government would subsidize travel expenses and create new identity documents on arrival to the closed city for refugees, with the option of even being given a whole new identity being there for anyone to take should they choose to do so, without red tape or having to prove 'persecuted' status. The government would keep the old identity with the state security department for reference purposes, and the new identitys' tie to the old would be very closely guarded, enabling atheists who are coming from places with theocracies in place to escape without fearing they will live the rest of their lives looking over their shoulder for their government in their birth place of origin coming after them.

Limited sovereignty could be given to such a closed city, and soviets (workers councils) would obviously be able to decide the tempo of day to day life (in general). The idea of this phenomena spreading to China, Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, North Korea, etc, is an intriguing one to me. Such communities could be safe havens for atheists and culture that develops free from any religious influences.

Hmm how would that work then?

[oolon, slimy turd]

Bless your kiddy-fiddling heart. You were the only person on this site who, upon seeing child porn, downloaded it , admitted it and then alluded to distributing said child porn to your followers via a possible future blogpost.
I wonder if in retrospect you think that was a bad idea?

Personally I'm all for an investigation into the matter. Your admission to being part of the illegal activity is there for all to see and no amount or faux cheerful smilies can change the fact that you are shitting yourself.

Hehe, John Welch are you there...? I think I've decided what FtBs could do to the Slymepit that would actually induce some righteous indignation on a par with yours....

The funniest thing for me about 'SLYME-CHILD-PORN-GATE' for me is that... Is was not child porn! FFS a set of hip sex-positive feminist d00ds like yourselves get all excited about a picture that is literally a young lady with goo on her face... No nudity... No overt lewd sexual activity... The only cocks involved were Lsuoma and Tuvok panicking about 'FfTBs' screencapping and spreading rumours about child porn in the pit! (me= :popcorn: ) Even if she was underage (seriously doubtful) it was not child porn :lol:

So yeah John my 'trigger' would be FtBs actually managing to close the pit - it would be very annoying as seeing the self styled group of the one true atheist-sceptic "leaders" make fools of themselves is highly amusing to me. I'd hate to see that disappear from the net, you are at least as funny as AVfM and the manboobz there.

That poor newbie who tried to join in with the 'hip' kids and finds they are a bunch of paranoid prudes might be wondering exactly how 'evil' this place really is.... :doh: ... Oh sorry Al, how many here are 'pure evil'... :D

:hankey: Thanks for playing, catch ya later.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Aaaaaannnd, oolon has finaly made it as first person ever on my ignore list.

[Tony Parsehole]

Poor oolon. He tries so hard but that reputation gets more and more shredded. So it's NOT kiddy porn now? Strange.
I thankfully never saw the picture in question but the first person to declare it "kiddy porn" was.....Errr...Oolon. Then he declared he bravely downloaded it. And was going to distribute it.

Now he's studied the picture intently and in private for a day has used his vast knowledge in the subject to declare "nah, that's not child porn after all". Oh well that's ok then oolon. Please enlighten me then why you felt the need to send it off to " Dreamhost as an example of why this site should be removed" if it was just (as you put it) "a picture that is literally a young lady with goo on her face... No nudity... No overt lewd sexual activity!"

At least get your story straight.

TL;DR
Oolon was fine with it being kiddy porn when he could use it as leverage to get this site in trouble. Oolon was ot so fine with it being kiddy porn when he was caught out downloading it.

[bhoytony]

http://mummyratesit.co.uk/blog/wp-conte ... harder.jpg

[Tigzy]

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Oolon: 'But officer, she looked older than 18 to me.'

Sure, no nonce has ever tried that defence....

But anyways Oolon, I guess you can at least be grateful that we at the Slymepit are generally good sorts. After all, imagine how awkward it would be if some of us here regularly posted something along the lines of: '[Oolon's real name], who lives in [Oolon's village] and who drinks at [Oolon's local] (info which you so kindly provided for us) screencaptured some possible kiddy porn!!' Imagine how awkward it would be if a potential future employer decided to Google your name; or if your wife decided to Google it one day, for a lark. God forbid, even someone on the tennis club committee could get curious about you! Eek!!

But I'm sure most of us here are very nice, and wouldn't dream of doing something like to you.

[ReneeHendricks]

Aaaaaannnd, oolon has finaly made it as first person ever on my ignore list.

I'll never understand why people here engage him. He isn't that smart or witty and he really doesn't have a whole lot to contribute. His only "claim to fame" is being an extremely obvious brown-noser.

Even with him on my ignore list, I still get treated to his idiotic postings thanks to quotes.

[TFJ]

Keating:

See, I'm not sure that is an axiom. Otherwise, there would have been no need for 'atheist leaders' or conferences in the first place. That many people look up to Dawkins, or even Myers shows that many atheists were happy to have a hierarchy of some kind

There are lots of mindless followers, sure. Speaking for myself, I know I'm not world's greatest writer or thinker and I'm not the most well-read, so I sift through the ideas of others and try to apply critical thought to their ideas. This is simply pragmatic. I support Dawkins and his peers because I agree with what they say and actually have the power to put those ideas out there. Aside from matters Biological, I don't automatically agree with him based on his authority.

Gumby:

Well, how's about this as a starting point. One of the underlying axioms of the atheist community (indeed, a point of pride) is that it's a loose collective that evolves naturally, with no need for strict controls or organizational hierarchies. In other words, the atheist community prides itself in staying away from the strict controls that govern religions. This awful New New Atheism, represented by Peezus and his demented disciples, want to change that. All of a sudden we have a group of people with their own underlying axiom of control. They wish to assert a great deal of control. They want to blacklist people from conferences, both as speakers and attendees. They want people they don't like to be shunned by the greater community. And they're using the blunt object of uber-feminism as a tool not to actually help women achieve equality, but instead just to separate the people they consider the wheat from the people they consider the chaff. Basically, to grossly oversimplify, I think this whole schism is based on a battle over free will in the community.

If this is true and being done consciously it makes them vandals. They would be using a pernicious ideology that they don't subscribe to to achieve a goal, an ideology that they have to understand will be almost impossible to dump after it's served it's purpose. It's like weeding the lawn with plutonium.

[Tony Parsehole]

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Oolon: 'But officer, she looked older than 18 to me.'

Sure, no nonce has ever tried that defence....

But anyways Oolon, I guess you can at least be grateful that we at the Slymepit are generally good sorts. After all, imagine how awkward it would be if some of us here regularly posted something along the lines of: '[Oolon's real name], who lives in [Oolon's village] and who drinks at [Oolon's local] (info which you so kindly provided for us) screencaptured some possible kiddy porn!!' Imagine how awkward it would be if a potential future employer decided to Google your name; or if your wife decided to Google it one day, for a lark. God forbid, even someone on the tennis club committee could get curious about you! Eek!!

But I'm sure most of us here are very nice, and wouldn't dream of doing something like to you.

Look at the amount of smilies he used in that last post! Poor cunt is shitting himself!

"Yeah :dance: :clap: :D :) :D :lol: I sent the picture off to get this horrid site closed down :shock: :? 8-) :roll: :| "
"Yeah, :P :( :o :shock: :D :popcorn: I love this place it's too funny to be closed down :evil: :twisted: :lol: :) :ugeek: "
"I know i said it was kiddy porn but it wasn't so please stop saying it was. Please guys yeah?..... Please?....Guys? :shifty:

[Altair]

Look at the amount of smilies he used in that last post! Poor cunt is shitting himself!

"Yeah :dance: :clap: :D :) :D :lol: I sent the picture off to get this horrid site closed down :shock: :? 8-) :roll: :| "
"Yeah, :P :( :o :shock: :D :popcorn: I love this place it's too funny to be closed down :evil: :twisted: :lol: :) :ugeek: "
"I know i said it was kiddy porn but it wasn't so please stop saying it was. Please guys yeah?..... Please?....Guys? :shifty:

He's desperate for some attention and interaction, his last post was so pathetic with even a sadly transparent jab at AVFM to try to get the MRAs in the pit to engage him.

I think he's not even a troll, he actually believes everything he says. He appears at every blog on the web that attacks A+, that's too much dedication for a troll.

[Tony Parsehole]

That poor newbie who tried to join in with the 'hip' kids and finds they are a bunch of paranoid prudes might be wondering exactly how 'evil' this place really is.

Oolon thinks we are paranoid prudes because we don't condone a picture he himself dubbed as "kiddy porn" and which he sent off to "Dreamhost as an example of why this site should be removed".

Is there no depth to your depravity? No depth I say!

[Tony Parsehole]

@Altair.

Watch him when he's caught out next time. He'll overuse smilies and randomly attack something totally irellevant.
It's like Gary Glitter complaining about the poor service at P.C. World.

[Git]

If hundreds of rockets being fired randomly into your country by genocidal medieval maniacs intent on killing every Jew on the planet isn't a provocation, I don't know what is.

anyway, fuck oo'lon. ignore the fuckwit. Here's a White Pussy of Authority:

http://i.imgur.com/Lq20E.jpg

[oolon, slimy turd]

I'm sure sacha knows I'm just responding in kind.

Um, no. WTF were you thinking posting that? Underage girls with jizz on their faces has no place here, you jackass.

Lsuoma, please erase that crap.

Hmm I guess Gumby would be the one to call out 'underage' girls first.. Tony Parsehole, that image is all over the interwebs... You would think the great sceptics here would have figured that someone would consider it child porn by now :clap:

Free the SurelyYouGuest one! I'm PM'ing Matt "Ban Man" Dillahunty, this place is like Hitler!

[Altair]

If hundreds of rockets being fired randomly into your country by genocidal medieval maniacs intent on killing every Jew on the planet isn't a provocation, I don't know what is.

anyway, fuck oo'lon. ignore the fuckwit. Here's a White Pussy of Authority:

http://i.imgur.com/Lq20E.jpg

I see your pussy and raise you the White Ass of Authority

http://bit.ly/URuQ8n

[Tigzy]

You would think the great sceptics here would have figured that someone would consider it child porn by now :clap:

Well you did - before promptly informing us that you had screencaptured it! :lol:

[Tony Parsehole]

Tony Parsehole, that image is all over the interwebs... You would think the great sceptics here would have figured that someone would consider it child porn by now :clap:

Yes somebody does consider it child porn. That person is oolon.

Hmm Kiddie porn on the pit, I'm surprised and shocked! So surprised and shocked I almost forgot to screencap it.

Thanks for confirming you search all over the interwebs for pictures of kiddy porn.

[oolon, slimy turd]

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Oolon: 'But officer, she looked older than 18 to me.'

Sure, no nonce has ever tried that defence....

But anyways Oolon, I guess you can at least be grateful that we at the Slymepit are generally good sorts. After all, imagine how awkward it would be if some of us here regularly posted something along the lines of: '[Oolon's real name], who lives in [Oolon's village] and who drinks at [Oolon's local] (info which you so kindly provided for us) screencaptured some possible kiddy porn!!' Imagine how awkward it would be if a potential future employer decided to Google your name; or if your wife decided to Google it one day, for a lark. God forbid, even someone on the tennis club committee could get curious about you! Eek!!

But I'm sure most of us here are very nice, and wouldn't dream of doing something like to you.

Please don't do it Tigzy, I'll apologise and everything.... :violin:

[windy]

Horrifying instances of gendered slurs being used to disparage prominent atheist!
http://storify.com/john_s_wilkins/rape-and-religion

I've no doubt that Harris can stick up for himself but the instance does highlight that accomodationists (like Wilkins and Yong) claim of being above the use of insults is simply a sham.

What the hell kind of logic is that anyway? Religion is often benign = there's at least a single instance of it being benign = it's better to get rid of rape than religion. It's a justifiable conclusion but one you'd need to justify on an utilitarian basis, not simply by pointing out that one is sometimes benign.

[oolon, slimy turd]

You would think the great sceptics here would have figured that someone would consider it child porn by now :clap:

Well you did - before promptly informing us that you had screencaptured it! :lol:

Cool I get to decide what is child porn... Err... Tigzys avatar is obviously underage! :popcorn: Quick Lsuoma, back into panic mode!!!

[Tigzy]

@Oolon

Well, if the picture's as innocent as you now seem to be saying, then you shouldn't have anything to be worried about - right?

Tell you what, Ools - why not show the pic to your wife, and see if she considers it child porn? In fact - why not show it that copper you claimed to be friendly with, see what he makes of it?

[Tony Parsehole]

Oolon even after you admit to downloading child porn and sending the image off to have the Pit closed down I have no hate for you. None whatsoever. Just pity. You are really, really pathetic tit and I think you know that.

Shut the fuck up for a few days, change your fucking shit-stirring attitude and maybe people will selectively forget about you downloading kiddy porn.

Oh and I'll just leave this here once again as it's one of the quotes you can never weasel out of:

Hmm Kiddie porn on the pit, I'm surprised and shocked! So surprised and shocked I almost forgot to screencap it.

[ReneeHendricks]

Oh, for fuck's sake. I'm probably the one who called it "kiddie porn" first:

I go away for a bit and I miss some serious shit. Actually, quite glad that I missed the kiddie porn pic.

(message #30131 or something)

I hadn't seen the picture as it had been removed already. Fuck off, oolon - you're about as intelligent as my kid's pet rock collection.

[Tony Parsehole]

@Oolon

Well, if the picture's as innocent as you now seem to be saying, then you shouldn't have anything to be worried about - right?

Tell you what, Ools - why not show the pic to your wife, and see if she considers it child porn? In fact - why not show it that copper you claimed to be friendly with, see what he makes of it?

Just show him the picture oolon. Don't try to induct him into your pedophile ring.

[John Greg]

ReneeHendricks said:

... oolon - you're about as intelligent as my kid's pet rock collection.

Well, that about says it all, doesn't it.

[Guest]

With that said, I can't say I'm very fond of Israel, they certainly come of as the bigger asshole in this conflict, mainly because they have the biggest guns and all of the advantages, hence also having a great deal more responsibility for how things play out. And they are playing out spectacularly shitty.

It's the guys with the biggest guns who usually lose the propaganda war. The government forces are hamstrung by their greater accountability and visibility. The media are lazy. They usually report on reactions to provocation and waffle on in a 'balanced' way about what caused it. You can't abdicate responsibility for the security of your citizens because your enemies don't have tanks. It doesn't matter if the blast in the supermarket is from a tank shell or semtex.Step back and ask who has the most to lose from violence in the long run. Hamas's stated aim is to eradicate Israel. The Israelis are surrounded by enemies who are not going to go away. The best outcome for Israeli survival would be peace. It's the precariousness of the situation which allows the religious nutters to sometimes hold sway. The Israelis have tried appeasement and it usually results in making it easier for the suicide bombers. They have to weigh up the security risk of everything they do because one mistake could be the end of Israel.

[Tigzy]

I think he's not even a troll, he actually believes everything he says. He appears at every blog on the web that attacks A+, that's too much dedication for a troll.

Oolon is to Atheism Plus what Lion IRC is to Christianity. Except, of course, there's no evidence that Lion IRC might be a nonce.

[oolon, slimy turd]

@Oolon

Well, if the picture's as innocent as you now seem to be saying, then you shouldn't have anything to be worried about - right?

Tell you what, Ools - why not show the pic to your wife, and see if she considers it child porn? In fact - why not show it that copper you claimed to be friendly with, see what he makes of it?

Just show him the picture oolon. Don't try to induct him into your pedophile ring.

She's already seen it - as a South Park fan she thought it was pretty funny - she is not as easily impressed by your stupidity as me though and thought you were right to censor your own forum and decide what is good taste and bad...

[Parge]

If hundreds of rockets being fired randomly into your country by genocidal medieval maniacs intent on killing every Jew on the planet isn't a provocation, I don't know what is.

I reckon that Team Netanyahu is doing a better job at recruiting for Team Muhammad than the Imams could ever do.

Sorry, I was trying to be profound there. Remind me again as to which military faction driven by historical birthright and religious zeal firing missiles into populated areas I'm supposed to be opposed? Can I pick both?

[Git]

With that said, I can't say I'm very fond of Israel, they certainly come of as the bigger asshole in this conflict, mainly because they have the biggest guns and all of the advantages, hence also having a great deal more responsibility for how things play out. And they are playing out spectacularly shitty.

It's the guys with the biggest guns who usually lose the propaganda war. The government forces are hamstrung by their greater accountability and visibility. The media are lazy. They usually report on reactions to provocation and waffle on in a 'balanced' way about what caused it. You can't abdicate responsibility for the security of your citizens because your enemies don't have tanks. It doesn't matter if the blast in the supermarket is from a tank shell or semtex.Step back and ask who has the most to lose from violence in the long run. Hamas's stated aim is to eradicate Israel. The Israelis are surrounded by enemies who are not going to go away. The best outcome for Israeli survival would be peace. It's the precariousness of the situation which allows the religious nutters to sometimes hold sway. The Israelis have tried appeasement and it usually results in making it easier for the suicide bombers. They have to weigh up the security risk of everything they do because one mistake could be the end of Israel.

But Hamas have, to ignorant fuckwits like Setar et al, browner skin (which is actually bollocks, as many Israelis are Sephardic in origin and thus have darker skin than any Arab can ever dream of, but this is a degree of nuance that Setar et al isn't capable of.) and thus to criticise them is thus raaaaayyyissst!!!!! and islllaaaammmooppppobia!!!! which of course is the ultimate sin in A+ land and to the likes of Peezus.

I say this because said ignorant fuckwits like Setar are actually incredibly racist (they deny their precious brown people any moral agency at all), and yes, he's currently whining on the A+ forums parroting all the usual pro-Hamas tropes.

The ultimate irony is that in Hamas-land, or Mao-land, or in Belarus or NK, him and the rest of the A+theism fucks would be first against the wall, dragged screaming in terror to the nearest execution squad

[Git]

If hundreds of rockets being fired randomly into your country by genocidal medieval maniacs intent on killing every Jew on the planet isn't a provocation, I don't know what is.

I reckon that Team Netanyahu is doing a better job at recruiting for Team Muhammad than the Imams could ever do.

Ah yes, those pesky Jews, refusing to lie down and be killed again eh?

Sorry, I was trying to be profound there. Remind me again as to which military faction driven by historical birthright and religious zeal firing missiles into populated areas I'm supposed to be opposed? Can I pick both?

That will be Hamas, and Hezbollah.

[oolon, slimy turd]

@Oolon

Well, if the picture's as innocent as you now seem to be saying, then you shouldn't have anything to be worried about - right?

Tell you what, Ools - why not show the pic to your wife, and see if she considers it child porn? In fact - why not show it that copper you claimed to be friendly with, see what he makes of it?

Ahh sorry Tigzy, didn't realise you missed the pic... It was a fully clothed girl looking a bit miffed as she had a load of what was presumably meant to be jiz in her face (But obviously was 'shopped). Punch line was Towelie saying "If you are going to suck dick, don't forget to bring a towel!" ... You'd have to be a Towelie fan to really find it amusing I think.

Feel free to spread rumours about me... I already know that If you disagree with the Slymepit you will get ...

1. Called a troll and banned (Put on ignore, same thing to anyone but a pitter)
2. D0x'd
Threatened with ...
3. ... Ice picks
4. ... Fake libel accusations
5. ... A campaign of fake pedo rumours against you

More than enough to dispel any arguments that the pit is better than any other forum, blog or otherwise :-) Again you seem to forget that Slymepitters hating someone from 'FfTBs' is the norm and they have zero credibility, so fire away baby... [Or as Tony P will say, I'm shitting myself]