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Matt Cavanaugh wrote: You got a lathe?
Nothing so fancy. A cheap wood carving kit from Amazon. Doing simple Celtic knots was easy enough, then I tried for a wolf's head at the end and got frustrated with the tools.
What fun! Hope she enjoys it.
Very much. She keeps dropping not so subtle hints we need more land. Maybe room for a barn... Seems like an awesome pursuit for people who absolutely hate money.

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No,m not trying to hide it - I WAS at Amazon, now at Oracle.

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The fruitification™ of beloved fictional characters continues. Turns out Obi-Wan Kenobi was a jizz gargling silky-boy all along...

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/BUzQDbcgqq0/maxresdefault.jpg

https://boundingintocomics.com/2022/07/ ... -bisexual/

May the force (it up your ass) be with you.

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Additional to last/disclaimer - I didn't actually read the article, I couldn't face it.

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Lsuoma wrote: No,m not trying to hide it - I WAS at Amazon, now at Oracle.
Ah I see. Yeah, Amazon went back and forth a few times on what the return to work policy would be. You heard stories of senior devs being told they had to come back and just saying, nah, I quit. Eventually it was put it at the discretion of the individual teams. The common choice seems to be optional days in office.

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Bhurzum wrote: The fruitification™ of beloved fictional characters continues. Turns out Obi-Wan Kenobi was a jizz gargling silky-boy all along...
It couldn't be any worse than the series.


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jet_lagg wrote: It couldn't be any worse than the series.

My inner child has been beaten to a pulp, raped and had cigars stubbed out on his eyeballs.

Fucking Disney and their pandering to the rainbow mob...

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jet_lagg wrote: Everything that's happening in the world today seems like the atheism schism at scale.
https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2022/ ... 022-111952

Adapt or die: how the pandemic made the shift from EBM to EBM+ more urgent
Evidence-based medicine (EBM’s) traditional methods, especially randomised controlled trials (RCTs) and meta-analyses, along with risk-of-bias tools and checklists, have contributed significantly to the science of COVID-19. But these methods and tools were designed primarily to answer simple, focused questions in a stable context where yesterday’s research can be mapped more or less unproblematically onto today’s clinical and policy questions. They have significant limitations when extended to complex questions about a novel pathogen causing chaos across multiple sectors in a fast-changing global context. Non-pharmaceutical interventions which combine material artefacts, human behaviour, organisational directives, occupational health and safety, and the built environment are a case in point: EBM’s experimental, intervention-focused, checklist-driven, effect-size-oriented and deductive approach has sometimes confused rather than informed debate. While RCTs are important, exclusion of other study designs and evidence sources has been particularly problematic in a context where rapid decision making is needed in order to save lives and protect health. It is time to bring in a wider range of evidence and a more pluralist approach to defining what counts as ‘high-quality’ evidence. We introduce some conceptual tools and quality frameworks from various fields involving what is known as mechanistic research, including complexity science, engineering and the social sciences. We propose that the tools and frameworks of mechanistic evidence, sometimes known as ‘EBM+’ when combined with traditional EBM, might be used to develop and evaluate the interdisciplinary evidence base needed to take us out of this protracted pandemic. Further articles in this series will apply pluralistic methods to specific research questions.

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jet_lagg wrote: Very much. She keeps dropping not so subtle hints we need more land. Maybe room for a barn... Seems like an awesome pursuit for people who absolutely hate money.
Women amateur-owners shed money like a tree drops leaves in Autumn.

I'd give her 6 months before she starts talking about getting this wonderful horse the trainer mentioned. Then PM me for ways to avoid that.

And if she wants to keep a horse at home, you'll need two horses so they keep each other company. And if she wants to ride out, you'll need three horses, so the two left behind keep each other company. If she wants you to ride with her sometimes, you'll need four. Of course, now you'll also need a rig. You can see where this is going.

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jet_lagg wrote:
Lsuoma wrote: No,m not trying to hide it - I WAS at Amazon, now at Oracle.
Ah I see. Yeah, Amazon went back and forth a few times on what the return to work policy would be. You heard stories of senior devs being told they had to come back and just saying, nah, I quit. Eventually it was put it at the discretion of the individual teams. The common choice seems to be optional days in office.
I still have some good friends at Amazon, and one was told he had to be back in the office 3 days/week. He told them to fuck off. They fucked off.

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jet_lagg wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote: You got a lathe?
Nothing so fancy. A cheap wood carving kit from Amazon. Doing simple Celtic knots was easy enough, then I tried for a wolf's head at the end and got frustrated with the tools.
What fun! Hope she enjoys it.
Very much. She keeps dropping not so subtle hints we need more land. Maybe room for a barn... Seems like an awesome pursuit for people who absolutely hate money.
You want good wood turning tools? Look at Woodpeckers. Expensive as fuck, but amazing quality.

https://www.woodpeck.com/turning-tools.html


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FBI whistleblowers claim that agents opened a sham investigation into Hunter Biden to brand reliable and verifiable derogatory evidence as “disinformation,” according to an explosive news release issued yesterday by Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa.

If true, beyond exposing the FBI’s role in running cover for the Biden family, the whistleblowers’ claims prove significant for a second reason: By failing to thoroughly vet the evidence in its possession related to Hunter Biden — which included the hard drive for the MacBook Hunter had abandoned at a repair shop — the intelligence community ignored a momentous national security threat, namely that the Russians potentially possessed a second Hunter Biden laptop.

Late Monday, Grassley issued a news release citing “multiple FBI whistleblowers, including those in senior positions,” who raised “the alarm about tampering by senior FBI and Justice Department officials in politically sensitive investigations,” including “investigative activity involving derogatory information on Hunter Biden’s financial and foreign business activities.” According to the Iowa Republican, the whistleblowers alleged that Washington Field Office Assistant Special Agent in Charge Timothy “Thibault and other FBI officials sought to falsely portray as disinformation evidence acquired from multiple sources that provided the FBI derogatory information related to Hunter Biden’s financial and foreign business activities, even though some of that information had already been or could be verified.”

The news release added that “in August of 2020, FBI supervisory intelligence analyst Brian Auten opened an assessment, which was used by a team of agents at FBI headquarters to improperly discredit and falsely claim that derogatory information about Biden’s activities was disinformation, causing investigative activity and sourcing to be shut down.” “The FBI headquarters team allegedly placed their assessment findings in a restricted access subfolder, effectively flagging sources and derogatory evidence related to Hunter Biden as disinformation while shielding the justification for such findings from scrutiny,” according to Grassley.

The Iowa senator claimed that “Thibault also reportedly ordered the closure of a stream of information related to Hunter Biden and sought to improperly mark the matter within FBI systems in a way that would prevent it from being re-opened in the future.” “The FBI headquarters team allegedly claimed that reporting from the stream was at risk of disinformation,” but the whistleblowers told Grassley, “that all of the information obtained through that stream was already verified or verifiable.”

The FBI whistleblowers’ charges, if accurate, are devastating and mean that at a time that Hunter Biden was already reportedly under investigation by the Delaware U.S. Attorney’s Office, rather than work with the agents already investigating then-candidate Joe Biden’s son, FBI headquarters initiated its own “assessment.” Then, according to the whistleblowers, agents improperly shut down sources, falsely framed evidence as disinformation, and hid the reasoning for that determination from other FBI agents behind restricted areas.

The press release also suggests that the FBI’s “assessment” served to frame the investigation Grassley and Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., were conducting into Hunter Biden’s foreign business dealing as tainted by Russian disinformation. As part of that investigation, in May 2020, “Senate Republicans issued a subpoena seeking documents from the younger Biden and asked for information related to more than two dozen entities, including Burisma,” which was the Ukrainian energy company that paid Hunter nearly $1 million a year to sit on its board.

With the Trump-Biden presidential contest in full force, Grassley and Johnson’s investigation into Hunter prompted pushback from Democrats, with Democrat members of the Gang of Eight sending a letter and classified addendum in July 2020 to FBI Director Christopher Wray “specifically citing the Johnson-Grassley probe into Hunter Biden as reason for an urgent briefing for Congress about foreign ‘disinformation.’”

The following month, Democrat Sens. Gary Peters of Michigan and Ron Wyden of Oregon wrote Grassley and Johnson and requested that members of the Senate Homeland Security and Finance committees, which they chaired, “receive a briefing from the FBI’s foreign influence task force related to their ongoing Biden investigations.”

According to an August 5, 2020, Washington Post article, “the Democrats have requested the member briefing for months, and the FBI and U.S. intelligence agencies have previously briefed committee staff on possible foreign disinformation.” The FBI later briefed both Grassley and Johnson on August 6, 2020, but according to the senators, that briefing was both “unsolicited and unnecessary” and failed to provide any new information to the senators or any specific allegations that they had received “disinformation” as part of their Hunter Biden investigation.

Given that FBI supervisory intelligence analyst Brian Auten, according to whistleblowers, opened his assessment into Hunter in August, the whistleblowers’ allegations raise serious questions concerning whether Democrats pressured the FBI into launching an investigation into Hunter as a pretext to provide the desired “disinformation briefing.”

Further, in April of 2021, someone leaked the fact that the FBI had briefed Grassley and Johnson on August 6, 2020, with the Washington Post running a story painting the senators as reckless in their investigation into Hunter Biden’s foreign business dealings by suggesting they “ignored FBI warnings and thus may have been manipulated by the Kremlin.” As the Wall Street Journal reported at the time, it seems possible that “the FBI set up two Members of Congress for political attack under the guise of a ‘defensive briefing.’”

The whistleblowers’ accusations then, when coupled with the media coverage, suggest that an agent from FBI headquarters opened an assessment to provide cover to Hunter Biden, to eliminate source trails for the investigation into then-candidate Joe Biden’s son, and to taint the legitimate inquiry into Hunter Biden’s business dealings. That scandal, however, represents but half the issue because the whistleblowers’ statements, if true, suggest the assessment of Hunter was a sham. And as a sham, the agents would not vet the evidence available to them, which would have included the MacBook laptop Hunter had abandoned at a repair shop in Delaware.

The FBI seized that laptop in December of 2019, after being alerted to its existence in October. At that time, FBI agents were reportedly told that in addition to pornography, the computer had information “dealing with foreign interests, a pay-for-play scheme linked to the former administration, [and] lots of foreign money.”

What the FBI did after seizing the laptop in December of 2019 is unknown. However, given that the FBI was reportedly told it contained “a pay-for-play scheme linked to the former administration, [and] lots of foreign money,” any legitimate investigation would have involved reviewing the laptop for information relevant to Grassley and Johnson’s investigations. And had the FBI reviewed the laptop, agents would have discovered a video recording capturing Hunter Biden saying that in 2018, another laptop went missing when he was “partying in Las Vegas,” and that Hunter believed it was stolen by a group of Russians.

The video then showed a prostitute asking Hunter if he worried the Russian thieves would try to “blackmail” him. “Yeah, in some way, yeah,” Hunter replied, noting his father is “running for president,” and that “I talk about it all the time.” Hunter had also noted that the computer had “tons” of compromising videos on it.

But it was not just the compromising videos of Hunter of concern, but the financial information likely on that laptop that could implicate his father in the pay-to-play scandal. If that information were in the hands of “the Russians,” as Hunter believed, the national security risk was huge and demanded the intelligence community conduct a defensive briefing of Joe Biden.

Instead, it appears from the whistleblowers’ comments that a non-investigation took place, with legitimate sources and evidence falsely categorized as disinformation, and then rather than provide Biden a defensive briefing, the senators received one.

This scandal is no longer just about the Biden family; it is about every member of the law enforcement and intelligence communities who put our country at risk by failing to do their jobs.
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Margot Cleveland is The Federalist's senior legal correspondent. She is also a contributor to National Review Online, the Washington Examiner, Aleteia, and Townhall.com, and has been published in the Wall Street Journal and USA Today. Cleveland is a lawyer and a graduate of the Notre Dame Law School, where she earned the Hoynes Prize—the law school’s highest honor. She later served for nearly 25 years as a permanent law clerk for a federal appellate judge on the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals. Cleveland is a former full-time university faculty member and now teaches as an adjunct from time to time. As a stay-at-home homeschooling mom of a young son with cystic fibrosis, Cleveland frequently writes on cultural issues related to parenting and special-needs children. Cleveland is on Twitter at @ProfMJCleveland. The views expressed here are those of Cleveland in her private capacity.

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Keating wrote:
jet_lagg wrote: Everything that's happening in the world today seems like the atheism schism at scale.
https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2022/ ... 022-111952

Adapt or die: how the pandemic made the shift from EBM to EBM+ more urgent
Evidence-based medicine (EBM’s) traditional methods, especially randomised controlled trials (RCTs) and meta-analyses, along with risk-of-bias tools and checklists, have contributed significantly to the science of COVID-19. But these methods and tools were designed primarily to answer simple, focused questions in a stable context where yesterday’s research can be mapped more or less unproblematically onto today’s clinical and policy questions. They have significant limitations when extended to complex questions about a novel pathogen causing chaos across multiple sectors in a fast-changing global context. Non-pharmaceutical interventions which combine material artefacts, human behaviour, organisational directives, occupational health and safety, and the built environment are a case in point: EBM’s experimental, intervention-focused, checklist-driven, effect-size-oriented and deductive approach has sometimes confused rather than informed debate. While RCTs are important, exclusion of other study designs and evidence sources has been particularly problematic in a context where rapid decision making is needed in order to save lives and protect health. It is time to bring in a wider range of evidence and a more pluralist approach to defining what counts as ‘high-quality’ evidence. We introduce some conceptual tools and quality frameworks from various fields involving what is known as mechanistic research, including complexity science, engineering and the social sciences. We propose that the tools and frameworks of mechanistic evidence, sometimes known as ‘EBM+’ when combined with traditional EBM, might be used to develop and evaluate the interdisciplinary evidence base needed to take us out of this protracted pandemic. Further articles in this series will apply pluralistic methods to specific research questions.
EBM critique


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Lsuoma wrote: EBM critique
Yeah, I'm not gonna argue that the current state of science is good, with the replication crisis and the number of ideological "studies" fields, but I couldn't resist the atheism+ parallel, particularly as the person calling for EBM+ was about making things worse, not better.

This is also a good critique:
https://alasdairmunro.substack.com/p/th ... ce-failure

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SARS-CoV-2 virus has proved tenacious and shifting. It causes a complex multisystem disease which disproportionately impacts minority ethnic groups and the sick, poor, old and disadvantaged.

Effective and safe vaccines were produced rapidly, but uptake has been patchy....
Yeah, so fuck this this lysenkoist bitch up the ass dry. Basically, she's arguing that, since RCTs proved that masks don't work, and the experimental gene therapy vaccine made folks sicker than the disease itself, killed them, sterilized them, made them more susceptible, permanently compromised their immune system, etc., we shouldn't rely on RCTs.

It's totally on par with Atheism +

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I'm gonna re-recommend the discussion below-- between an economist and a biostatistician/epidemiologist--

because that Munro substack link gives two shout-outs to the role of economists in the Bangladesh mask study, and the school closures study.

The podcast contains dozens of relevant tidbits... such as Dr. Prasad describing how the Bangladesh study was bungled (the villagers knew Something Was Being Given Away Free in the "mask" villages, and Nothing Given Away in the "control" villages. Guess which villages had a higher rate of participation in the study.)

Prasad also notes-- that even at the height of polio... the inventor of the polio vaccine bothered to do a huge 400,000 person RCT. As opposed to Covid-- when the Big Pharma companies had reaped huge financial rewards from the initial vaccine roll-out... then they shirked-away-from doing large RCTs-- for the subsequent roll-out to children, people with immuno- conditions, pregnant women. Nor did they keep their promise to update the mRNA vaccines-- to accomodate later variants. (Better to keep peddling a no-longer-effective "approved" or "emergency authorized" product... than to develop a more-effective new product/ which might have unpredictable/undesirable results in another round of RCTs)

The economist podcast host is 67 years old & triple-vaccinated. The doctor/podcast guest is 4x vax'd (although his 4th booster was involuntary, due to mandate, under threat of losing his job.)

In other words, they're not extremists in the anti-vax camp. They cover a lot of ground, referencing specific examples, not abstractions.



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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
SARS-CoV-2 virus has proved tenacious and shifting. It causes a complex multisystem disease which disproportionately impacts minority ethnic groups and the sick, poor, old and disadvantaged.

Effective and safe vaccines were produced rapidly, but uptake has been patchy....
What it is is the same thinking as motivated Critical Theory. "We know what conclusions we want. Doing it properly won't get us to those conclusions, so we need to come up with an academic looking way to get to those conclusions. Oh, wow! Our new method tells us we were right all along about our conclusions."
Yeah, so fuck this this lysenkoist bitch up the ass dry. Basically, she's arguing that, since RCTs proved that masks don't work, and the experimental gene therapy vaccine made folks sicker than the disease itself, killed them, sterilized them, made them more susceptible, permanently compromised their immune system, etc., we shouldn't rely on RCTs.

It's totally on par with Atheism +

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Fuck fuck fuck. Garbled the shit out of that. Trying again.
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
SARS-CoV-2 virus has proved tenacious and shifting. It causes a complex multisystem disease which disproportionately impacts minority ethnic groups and the sick, poor, old and disadvantaged.

Effective and safe vaccines were produced rapidly, but uptake has been patchy....
Yeah, so fuck this this lysenkoist bitch up the ass dry. Basically, she's arguing that, since RCTs proved that masks don't work, and the experimental gene therapy vaccine made folks sicker than the disease itself, killed them, sterilized them, made them more susceptible, permanently compromised their immune system, etc., we shouldn't rely on RCTs.

It's totally on par with Atheism +
What it is is the same thinking as motivated Critical Theory. "We know what conclusions we want. Doing it properly won't get us to those conclusions, so we need to come up with an academic looking way to get to those conclusions. Oh, wow! Our new method tells us we were right all along about our conclusions."

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Bhurzum wrote: The fruitification™ of beloved fictional characters continues. Turns out Obi-Wan Kenobi was a jizz gargling silky-boy all along...
Star Wars has been gay for some time...

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Anyway to the contrary of such things - you may enjoy 'Primal'



Season 2 just started recently - so there may be further interesting developments in the relationship between the man and his dinosaur companion (male).

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Speaking of Tartakovksy and Star Wars he created the best stuff since the original trilogy with Clone Wars (not to be mistaken with the CGI series of the same name).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars ... TV_series)

It helps that it's almost entirely action sequences for which he has a genius vision.

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Keating wrote:
https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2022/ ... 022-111952

Adapt or die: how the pandemic made the shift from EBM to EBM+ more urgent
We believe in evidence based medicine plus social justice advocating for sodomy at all costs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_monkeypox_outbreak
As of 23 July, 99% cases outside endemic regions in Africa were in men. In this group, 98% of cases occurred in the community of men who have sex with men, mainly those who have multiple sex partners (median of 5 partners in the previous 3 months)
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has emphasized the importance of reducing stigma in communicating about the demographic aspects of monkeypox, specifically with regards to gay and bisexual men.
It all became darkly comic a long time ago.

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Problem: Monkey Pox spreading amongst the humans.

Solution: Stop ass fucking for 90 days. Really... just stop ass fucking for a few months. Can yall do that?


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jet_lagg wrote:
We believe in evidence based medicine plus social justice advocating for sodomy at all costs.
Sodomy = sin of Sodom = really bad hospitality
Buggery = sticking penis up someone's rectum

B.

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jet_lagg wrote: Speaking of Tartakovksy and Star Wars he created the best stuff since the original trilogy with Clone Wars (not to be mistaken with the CGI series of the same name).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars ... TV_series)

It helps that it's almost entirely action sequences for which he has a genius vision.
I'd like to see Tarkovsy do Star Wars à la Stalker, but fuck, it'd be around 45 months long.

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Lsuoma wrote: I'd like to see Tarkovsy do Star Wars à la Stalker, but fuck, it'd be around 45 months long.
You say that like it's a bad thing...

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There's no pleasing some people.
Genesis 19:8 wrote:See now, I have two daughters who have not known a man; please, let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you wish.

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Bhurzum wrote:
Lsuoma wrote: I'd like to see Tarkovsy do Star Wars à la Stalker, but fuck, it'd be around 45 months long.
You say that like it's a bad thing...
The last one felt about that long.

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Service Dog wrote:
Steersman wrote: You're so desperately committed to various Covid conspiracy theories that you can't let go of entirely bogus claims and untenable positions.

Too bad in a way as you periodically post some useful links.
I was taking notes-- to summarize this excellent episode of EconTalk. I hit "Preview" & got the dreaded Internal Service Error & lost everything.

So, rather than me spoon feeding it you, just listen to it & stop making an ass of yourself with ignorant claims.

https://youtu.be/lTjifSf3elc
:roll: You and PZ, or rather those he more or less credibly criticizes:

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Speaking of whom, I see he still has something of a soft spot for us in his otherwise cold and (heart-attack) blackened heart:
Making more Jordan Peterson videos is too much for my stomach, so now I’m thinking about ways to lower a good camera into the slime pit without risking wrecking a good lens.
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula ... /#comments

Though don't see any of the Horde playing along.

But I can sympathize with the Internal Service Error; have lost more than a few posts to that one. Why I get in the habit of copying any lengthy comments to Word before hitting Preview.

As for "ignorant claims", any plans afoot to walk back from your own about AP and VAIDS? :roll:

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Bhurzum wrote:
Steersman wrote: Though it's partly a case of choosing one's battles.
Ah, but around these here parts you have your battles assigned to you. It's almost like they're an antisocial construct.

:P
:-)

Age-old battle between the individual and the tribe:
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.

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I guess every form of refuge has its price




One way or another ... ;-)

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jet_lagg wrote:
Bhurzum wrote:
Lsuoma wrote: I'd like to see Tarkovsy do Star Wars à la Stalker, but fuck, it'd be around 45 months long.
You say that like it's a bad thing...
The last one felt about that long.
"Hail, Hail, the Gang's all here!" :-)

But, ICYMI, you might be interested in knowing that PZ has more or less endorsed my view on a topic near and dear to the hearts of both of us ;-)


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And Steersman I figured it's only fair to say I stopped reading the moment I saw you were going to start ranting about ova again. If there was anything after that I missed it.
Though he turned turtle pretty quickly once his own oxen were being gored - intellectual honesty not really being his forte; surprise, surprise:

https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula ... nt-2141695

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Steersman wrote: But, ICYMI, you might be interested in knowing that PZ has more or less endorsed my view on a topic near and dear to the hearts of both of us ;-)
Steers, you are the motherfucking Terminator of tedious arguments. Long after the rest of us have passed on you’ll still be posted up here, ready to set someone straight if they make the mistake of suggesting your mother is a woman.
Steersman wrote: Though he turned turtle pretty quickly once his own oxen were being gored - intellectual honesty not really being his forte; surprise, surprise:
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula ... nt-2141695
:lol: Ok that was pretty good. How has he not learned to recognize your writing style by now?

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Spanish equality ministry says every body is beach ready!
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Yeah, they do look like skepchicks (apart from lower left).

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jet_lagg wrote: Steers, you are the motherfucking Terminator of tedious arguments. Long after the rest of us have passed on you’ll still be posted up here,
Check-out this madness:
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I love to go swimmin' with chub-rub women and swim between ... ah never mind.

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Steersman wrote: any plans afoot to walk back from your own about AP and VAIDS?
Funny you should ask.

Just-today, I saw the fact-checker stooges are running the exact-same deception... as the AP did with "VAIDS".


This time-- the vaccine-skeptics are speculating that the Monkey Pox outbreak is a side-effect of the vaccines. Their reasoning is:

that that Monkey Pox = shingles = herpes zoster :angelic-green: and inflammation of dormant herpes infections is a Known adverse effect of the vaccines.

There's truth to the red proposition, albeit with some important caveats. The blue proposition is also true. The green angel in the middle MAY indeed bind those half-propositions together. Or the angel might be an imaginary figment, with no real connection between the halves. I haven't seen strong evidence either-way.

The fact-checkers ~could~ attempt to refute the red, the blue, or the green angel connection. But-- I've read a half dozen 'fact checks'-- and they're doing an awful job of it.

Fucking Reuters fact-checker selected an all-too-predictable/worse option:

Reuters' fact-checker noticed the similarity of the "Vaccines cause Monkey Pox" claim, to the prior claim that "Vaccines cause VAIDS".
And so Reuters thought it was sufficient to re-use quotes from February about VAIDS-- as-if they are replies to the Monkey Pox claims being-made now. Absurd.

Reuters actually lists the AP's fact-check on VAIDS-- in their citations. The problem with that is: the AP fact-check _insisted_ on debunking only a strawman version of the claims about VAIDS. AP cited uncredentialed, anonymous, semi-literate nobodies on reddit... As If those were the only sources making claims about VAIDS. And AP insisted on addressing "VAIDS" As If it were literally a variant of HIV/AIDS... rather than a different thing which happens to have a similar acryonym. And so the AP's fact-check left the more-formidable-claims about "VAIDS", from more formidable sources-- entirely un-rebutted & unscathed. Steersman has studiously avoided comprehending that prior sentence for half a year.

Reuters building their Monkey Pox case atop the defective AP "VAIDS" case is Garbage In Garbage Out

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Swim with Shamu!

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Steersman wrote: You're so desperately committed to various Covid conspiracy theories that you can't let go of entirely bogus claims and untenable positions.
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I regret that I can't give you a specific timecode reference, but: one salient moment in the podcast-- was when the doctor described a lesson learned from the HPV vaccine Gardasil.

The original version of Gardasil was derived from 4 strains of HPV. And girls who received that version developed immunity to those 4 strains.

A few years later-- a new&improved version of HPV vax was developed. This version bestowed immunity to 9 strains of HPV.

But, it turned-out, the 9 strain immunity benefit was limited to girls who were Never Given the prior vaccine.

When girls-who-had-already-been-administered the 4-strain version... received a "booster" of the new version... their immune systems were "trained" to notice those Same 4 Strains as last-time. BUT their bodies Failed To Notice & Neglected To Develop responses to the 5 new strains in the new product.

Dr. Prasad expresses concern that we may be replicating this problem with Covid... by continuing to administer... in 2022 & beyond... vaccines against the Original 2020 Wuhan variant, which is gone gone gone like ancient history no longer a threat to humanity. SO getting the Same Old Vax over-and-over could be robbing the Vax Compliant of robust natural immunity to New Variants.

I raised this EXACT SAME CONCERN on February 6, 2022, and Steersman's reply was to suggest Lsuoma should interfere with my posting privileges:




In January 2022, while the Supreme Court deliberated the legality of OSHA vaccine mandates, I cited the Solicitor General for the State of Ohio making the same point: http://slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php ... ng#p507516

Furthermore...

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Furthermore, on that same January 2022 day, this exchange occurred:

#3526Post by Service Dog » Fri Jan 07, 2022 9:16 pm
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Oh, well, if it came from the good Dr. Malone - inventor of mRNA vaccines and thereby a shoe-in for a Nobel prize ... - then who could possibly doubt it? ....
Your tedious sense of humor is a contributing factor in the decline of the pit. Every time you feel the urge to use a 'winky', you should take that as a hint that your joke-- or sarcastic statement-- isn't worth posting. Especially if you've used the same line repeatedly.
Steersman wrote: ↑

Still seems a bit moot given the body's ability, according to Wikipedia to "produce more than 1 trillion different antibody molecules". But maybe there's some difference in the short and long term memory capabilities of the immune system. So who knows for sure.

"Who knows?" you ask. Weigh the 2 pieces of evidence. I offered you the opinion of a credentialed person who is directly studying this specific topic.

You responded with a few words from a general encyclopedia-entry on the topic of immunity. Resist the urge to make some 'wry' comment about Wikipedia. It's not fun. It's not funny. It's boorish.

Discover magazine, August 2020: Title: "Children’s Immune Systems Differ From Adults. Here’s What That Could Mean for COVID-19
Children’s innate immune responses might be behind their milder COVID-19 infections."


Citing Sallie Permar, a viral immunologist at Duke University:

"...once a baby is born, its immune system must rapidly respond to a world teeming with viruses and bacteria ready to infect their newest host. So how do babies’ and children’s developing immune systems differ from adults’? And can these biological differences explain why they seem to fare better against COVID-19 than adults, or how much they spread it to others?

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Our immune systems are made up of innate responses, which we’re born with, and adaptive responses, which come from built-up exposure to past pathogens. As part of that innate response, babies are equipped with millions of newly-generated immune warriors called T cells. The cells each recognize a different pathogen and help build up our burgeoning immune system. But these numbers start to wane tremendously during childhood.
“By the time you’re a teenager or young adult, you really aren't pumping out that many new T cells anymore, and by the time you’re forty, you have hardly any,” says Donna Farber, an immunologist at Columbia University. “So, what [adults] are relying on is all of these memory responses that you generated during your childhood.”

Farber explains that the goal of the developing immune system is twofold. First, generate a robust innate response to all new infections. (This is especially crucial during our most vulnerable early years.) Second, create memories — in the form of memory cells — for all of the pathogens in your environment so you can be protected against them in the future. If your environment doesn’t change much throughout your life, Farber says, by adulthood, you should be perfectly adapted to remain healthy against most toxins.

But Farber also notes this trade-off between our innate and adaptive responses might be putting adults at a disadvantage with the novel coronavirus. Neither children nor adults had memory T cells for COVID-19 at the start of the pandemic, since no one had been exposed to the virus yet. But because adults also have fewer amounts of naive T cells, Farber says it takes a longer time for their innate immune system to respond. This gets even worse for older adults, as they aren’t able to efficiently clear the infection and continue to accrue damage, she adds.

For kids, Farber says COVID-19 may not be as big of a deal because humans are already exposed to the most infectious diseases during childhood, so it’s not that abnormal to face another one. Thus, their innate immune response is likely better prepared to mount a quick response."


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Dog - why do you engage with Steers? He is some strange kind of autistic idiot. You make it worse. No one here agrees with his definition of woman; where a woman is only a human creature that is menstruating. It is fucking idiotic. We all know it. Just let it go man.

No one here cares that Steers is OCD over this stupid VAIDS... AIDS... news article. Just let it go man.


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John D wrote: Dog - why do you engage with Steers? He is some strange kind of autistic idiot. You make it worse. No one here agrees with his definition of woman; where a woman is only a human creature that is menstruating. It is fucking idiotic. We all know it. Just let it go man.

No one here cares that Steers is OCD over this stupid VAIDS... AIDS... news article. Just let it go man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0MK7qz13bU
Maybe you'd prefer or accept the definition for "woman" that the Government of Scotland is endorsing? :roll:
1. Women means anyone who defines themselves as a woman.
https://www.gov.scot/publications/indep ... e/pages/4/

Don't think you realize - or maybe don't care as long as your 401 (k) looks solid ... - that the barbarians are not just at the gates, but that they're in and have taken over vast swaths of government and media. That transgender clusterfuck is just the tip of the iceberg, the burning rubber where the associated and quite unscientific dogma meets the road.

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Steers - really - your pedantic bull-shit doesn't matter. You are swinging swords at paper dragons. You somehow think my declining 401k value has something to do with the definition of "woman." Jesus H. Christ. Haha. Much of this bull shit will work itself out... and the stuff that doesn't get worked out will be survivable. You ae really not helping.... okay? You are really completely full of shit in my opinion... just to be clear.

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jet_lagg wrote:
Steersman wrote: But, ICYMI, you might be interested in knowing that PZ has more or less endorsed my view on a topic near and dear to the hearts of both of us ;-)
Steers, you are the motherfucking Terminator of tedious arguments.
MTTA! I like it JB! ;-)
jet_lagg wrote: Long after the rest of us have passed on you’ll still be posted up here, ready to set someone straight if they make the mistake of suggesting your mother is a woman.
That's not really the point - more in the way of collateral damage, the logical consequences of important principles and definitions. The crux of the matter is the desperate efforts by the woke and the unscientific and the scientifically illiterate - but I repeat myself ... - to redefine the sexes as spectra, to deny that there are any objective criteria at all to qualify individuals - of all sexually reproducing species - as male or female. Or as neither.

Apropos of which, you might be interested in or amused - or horrified, as the case may be - by a July 13 post at the sadly misnamed "Science-Based Medicine":
The notion that sex is not strictly binary is not even scientifically controversial. Among experts it is a given, an unavoidable conclusion derived from actually understanding the biology of sex. It is more accurate to describe biological sex in humans as bimodal, but not strictly binary.
The author, Steven Novella, is basically misinterpreting a typical pair of probability distributions - generally for men and women - and concluding that the valley between the two peaks is somehow a justification for arguing that sex is not really a binary.

My comment - of a dozen or so ;-) - thereon:

http://disq.us/p/2q1t9sj

"Heavy hitter" Jesse Singal takes a well-deserved shot at Novella and links to a blog post by Andy Lewis that does likewise:



The rot goes rather deep. And the transgender clusterfuck is just the tip of a Titanic-sinking iceberg.
jet_lagg wrote:
Steersman wrote: Though he turned turtle pretty quickly once his own oxen were being gored - intellectual honesty not really being his forte; surprise, surprise:
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula ... nt-2141695
:lol: Ok that was pretty good. How has he not learned to recognize your writing style by now?
:-) Short memory? ;-)

He certainly gave me a shot or two several years ago:

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Although I like to think that I've improved my writing style and abilities since then - maybe how I snuck in under his radar. Though I've also spent some $600-700 US on professional editing services on several articles which may have helped.

But one of those was on Wikipedia's Lysenkoism, on my "tale of woe" for being "deplatformed" there as an editor for objecting to their article on transwoman and Olympian Laurel Hubbard which claimed that "she" had "transitioned to female":

https://medium.com/@steersmann/wikipedi ... 0901a22da2

"Barbarians at the gates", indeed. Don't think we're going to resolve that clusterfuck - and the wider issues - without a lot more intellectual honesty, without a willingness to define our terms - and let the chips fall where they may:

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Steersman, I thought I'd draw your attention to this thread over at the International Skeptics:
Trans women are not women (IX)
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/fo ... 25&page=41

You've got a couple of 2nd wave feminists arguing with a bunch of trans rights folks. It all hinges on the definition on "woman". There's something lacking from the discussion...

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John D wrote: Problem: Monkey Pox spreading amongst the humans.

Solution: Stop ass fucking for 90 days. Really... just stop ass fucking for a few months. Can yall do that?
Stop the spread refers to both pathogens and ass cheeks.

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Right, looks like Fred will be digging a Hole in the Ground for Bernard Cribbins.

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Lsuoma wrote:
Thu Jul 28, 2022 6:12 am
Right, looks like Fred will be digging a Hole in the Ground for Bernard Cribbins.

They may have to take off all the handles first..


As I recall he was in 'Dalek Invasion of Earth 2150 AD' and then came back to work on the series in the early 2000s.

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John D wrote: Dog - why do you engage with Steers? He is some strange kind of autistic idiot. You make it worse.
I'm sure Steerz wouldn't be opposed to paying for the privilege of a bit of social intercourse.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
John D wrote: Dog - why do you engage with Steers? He is some strange kind of autistic idiot. You make it worse.
I'm sure Steerz wouldn't be opposed to paying for the privilege of a bit of social intercourse.
:-) Reminds me of the quip that the sex one pays for is often a lot less expensive than the sex one gets for "free". Maybe moot if it's any better or not.

But on the two birds with one stone principle, I see you referred recently to the "Lysenkoism" of some of the usual suspects. Not sure yet how justified the accusation is - have only skimmed the opening of the (BMJ?) article, but certainly a lot of that goin' round these days. In case you missed the link in my Medium article on the topic:

https://www.nature.com/articles/457788a?proof=t%C2%A0

A salient quote therefrom:
The Soviet Union lost a generation of genetics research to the politicization of science when Trofim Lysenko, director of biology under Joseph Stalin, parlayed his rejection of Mendelian genetics into a powerful political scientific movement. By the late 1920s, Lysenko had denounced academics embracing Mendelian genetics, which some said undermined tenets of Soviet society. His efforts to extinguish 'harmful' scientific ideas ruined opponents' careers and delayed scientific progress.

It is difficult to imagine this situation repeating today, when rival views feed the scientific process, and inquiry and debate trump orthodoxy. Yet the spectre of Lysenkoism lurks in current scientific discourse on gender, race and intelligence. Claims that sex- or race-based IQ gaps are partly genetic can offend entire groups, who feel that such work feeds hatred and discrimination. Pressure from professional organizations and university administrators can result in boycotting such research, and even in ending scientific careers.
Apropos of which, a recent Quillette article:
Cognitive Distortions
How the culture wars came for Wikipedia’s articles about human intelligence.
https://quillette.com/2022/07/18/cognitive-distortions/

Interesting link therein to an article on "Wikipedia's Left-wing Bias" - surprise, surprise:

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-left-wing-b ... wikipedia/

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The very highest of praise!


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I'm gonna start charging steerz 50¢ for every time he says "apropos fo which", $3 for "sauce for the goose..." I should be able to retire soon.

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fafnir wrote: Steersman, I thought I'd draw your attention to this thread over at the International Skeptics:
Trans women are not women (IX)
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/fo ... 25&page=41

You've got a couple of 2nd wave feminists arguing with a bunch of trans rights folks. It all hinges on the definition on "woman". There's something lacking from the discussion...
Bat signal received! ;-) But thanks for the heads-up on which I'll probably weigh-in. Though it seems to be another phBB site like the Pit - all of the ads there make me appreciate more that that isn't the case here. :-)

But apropos of a missing definition (Matt - check's in the mail ...), you might be interested in an oldish tweet I ran across from Zach Elliott which links to an article I've been touting recently:



And to an "Article Metrics" page which shows some 1300 tweets, many in the last couple of months, which link to it:

https://oxfordjournals.altmetric.com/de ... 53/twitter

Not sure if I recently posted the definitions from the Glossary of the article, but for the reading pleasure and edification of all and sundry:
"Female: Biologically, the female sex is defined as the adult phenotype that produces [present tense indefinite] the larger gametes in anisogamous systems.

Male: Biologically, the male sex is defined as the adult phenotype that produces [present tense indefinite] the smaller gametes in anisogamous systems."
https://academic.oup.com/molehr/article ... 61/1062990

But I don't think many of those tweeting that link - Zach and Andy Lewis at the latter's Quackometer blog, in particular - have actually taken a close look at those definitions. I'm quite sure that many of them simply don't realize - or don't want to face the fact - that those definitions stipulate "necessary and sufficient conditions" for category membership: no or non-functional gonads, no sex:
An intensional definition gives meaning to a term by specifying necessary and sufficient conditions for when the term should be used. In the case of nouns, this is equivalent to specifying the properties that an object needs to have in order to be counted as a referent of the term.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extension ... efinitions

Bound and determined to show them the errors of their ways ... ;-)

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John D wrote: Steers - really - your pedantic bull-shit doesn't matter. You are swinging swords at paper dragons.
Try telling that to all of the dysphoric children, and their parents, who've been butchered as a result of transgender ideology, largely because too many are too gutless to call a spade a fucking shovel when it comes to rational definitions for the sexes.

For your edification and reading "pleasure", though I doubt you can see much with your head so far up your own arse:



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https://web.archive.org/web/20201113021 ... e-eunuchs/
https://www.thestranger.com/features/20 ... hey-werent
https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/10/2 ... activists/
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/12/ ... sitioners/
https://archive.ph/jusdF

Etc., etc., etc.
John D wrote: You somehow think my declining 401k value has something to do with the definition of "woman." Jesus H. Christ. Haha. Much of this bull shit will work itself out... and the stuff that doesn't get worked out will be survivable. You ae really not helping.... okay?
Were you drunk at the time you posted that comment? Probably understandable given your circumstances. Because you must have been in an alcohol induced brain fog, being charitable, if you "think" I was arguing that your 401k had anything to do with the definition for "woman". My point was just to allude to an apparent "I'm alright, Jack" attitude on your part:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/I%27m_all_right,_Jack
John D wrote: You are really completely full of shit in my opinion... just to be clear.
Opinions, we all have them. Too few have any coherent facts to back them up:

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Steers - I was shitting on you because you are such a pain in the ass. And your ideas about "sex" are comic. So... I just gave you some shit to see what you would do. In your usual form you had no idea how to banter about the topic.... just some weird reply about me not knowing what you mean. I know exactly what you mean,,, and it cracks me up. All love from my end.

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John D wrote: All love from my end.
What with the monkey pox, gonna pass on that for the time being.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
John D wrote: All love from my end.
What with the monkey pox, gonna pass on that for the time being.
:-) Rather difficult for John D to hide his true nature ... ;-)

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