If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

Brive1987 wrote: ↑ Oorah.

{Graham Chapman enters] "Stop! This is too silly!"

A blast from the past - when American interference in national elections was unintentionally ironic.

Something just not right about this Yuletide carol

:think:



That hair. It can’t be natural.

Brive1987 wrote: ↑ Something just not right about this Yuletide carol

:think:



That hair. It can’t be natural.

And assuming that only assigned at birth females would want a pink AR-15.

Tim Cook accepting a “courage against hate” award from the ADL is fucking embarrassing and concerning in equal measure.

As is the attempted radicalisation of Sargon by the fascist liberals. Strange times.

Seriously listen to the ADL speech as Cook invokes Apple’s (literally) religious mission against ‘hate’, his support for LGBQ and open borders, both contrasted against white supremacy and an unironic fusion with Kristallnacht. The only upside was when he paused for applause after his appeal to nazi redux, only to get stunned silence. That is the scariest dude I’ve seen since the recent footage of Macron inspecting his troops.

KiwiInOz wrote: ↑

Brive1987 wrote: ↑ Something just not right about this Yuletide carol

:think:

htt..://twitter.com/kaitmarieox/status/1071603010080509952?s=21

That hair. It can’t be natural.

And assuming that only assigned at birth females would want a pink AR-15.

Plus it appears her dust flap is open ....

Brive wrote:

As is the attempted radicalisation of Sargon by the fascist liberals. Strange times.

I know who you mean by fascist liberal, although it is an oxymoron. It seems to me a better description would be fascist radical leftists.
Likewise calling an alt-lite a liberal fascist wouldn't be a particularly good description.

I use the term as an accurate absurdity.

There is a lot of unpleasant ideology in play sailing under the liberal ‘anti hate’, ‘inclusive’ banner. And I suspect a lot of benign liberals get suckered by the brown shirted charity muggers and friendly labeled NGOs.

When I was young I formed an opinion about the French based on this song/video.

I appear to have missed the mark.

Brive; it seems to me that you use the term liberal to describe people on the extreme left like the goofy anarcho-communists right up to people that are slightly more left than your viewpoint. Liberal isn't the same as left wing.

liberal (comparative more liberal, superlative most liberal)

(now rare outside set phrases) Pertaining to those arts and sciences the study of which is considered to provide general knowledge, as opposed to vocational/occupational, technical or mechanical training.
He had a full education studying the liberal arts.
Generous; willing to give unsparingly.
He was liberal with his compliments.
Ample, abundant; generous in quantity.
Add a liberal sprinkling of salt.
(obsolete) Unrestrained, licentious.
Widely open to new ideas, willing to depart from established opinions or conventions; permissive.
Her parents had liberal ideas about child-rearing.
(politics) Open to political or social changes and reforms associated with either classical or modern liberalism.
Antonyms
conservative

The SJW crowd aren't liberals they are authoritarian neo-marxist scatterbrains.
On the opposite side of the spectrum, the extremist right wing types aren't conservatives and call for radical changes to the existing orders of society.
Maybe definitions in the Australian language are different. :think:

Liberal and liberalism covers a lot of ground. From a political / social perspective, your definition was only relevant in the last couple of points. But pertaining to “classical or modern liberalism” is so broad as to be useless. Classical-liberal, neo-liberal, social-liberal, euro-fascist liberal ....

But pretty much anybody not identifying as conservative / libertarian and not willing to cross the line into socialism and beyond will trot the label out as a virtue badge.

But pretty much anybody not identifying as conservative / libertarian and not willing to cross the line into socialism and beyond will trot the label out as a virtue badge.

Wow. They sound like they are really smug about believing they have the right philosophy.

Brive1987 wrote: ↑

Kirbmarc wrote: ↑

Brive1987 wrote: ↑I’ve now seen two people get upset at God fucking Mary without her noticing.

The first was a liberal trying to shit on Western tradition because of nihilistic self destructiveness.
The second is a riddle.

Or maybe the motivation is to point out how religious thinking gets people to accept moral lapses with ease, even if they're just hypothetical.

But really all you have done is highlight a lack of awareness between metaphysical conception and actual rape.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam ... width=1240

In any case ...

God knew she would have wanted it. The power of ‘middle knowledge’.

I was so unaware metaphysical conception could result in pregnancy. The more you know, huh? And so many guys seem to know they wanted it, middle knowledge or not.

Brive1987 wrote: ↑

Wait, libtards not to blame? How rude.

Brive1987 wrote: ↑ I use the term as an accurate absurdity.

There is a lot of unpleasant ideology in play sailing under the liberal ‘anti hate’, ‘inclusive’ banner. And I suspect a lot of benign liberals get suckered by the brown shirted charity muggers and friendly labeled NGOs.

And a lot of otherwise normal conservatives are flying the flag of a deranged demagogue. It's why the curvy bit of the horseshoe is best.

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: ↑

Brive1987 wrote: ↑

Wait, libtards not to blame? How rude.

The libtard Patreon Public Safety Committee (or whatever) is to blame.

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: ↑

Brive1987 wrote: ↑

Kirbmarc wrote: ↑

Brive1987 wrote: ↑I’ve now seen two people get upset at God fucking Mary without her noticing.

The first was a liberal trying to shit on Western tradition because of nihilistic self destructiveness.
The second is a riddle.

Or maybe the motivation is to point out how religious thinking gets people to accept moral lapses with ease, even if they're just hypothetical.

But really all you have done is highlight a lack of awareness between metaphysical conception and actual rape.

[im..g]https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam ... width=1240[/img]

In any case ...

God knew she would have wanted it. The power of ‘middle knowledge’.

I was so unaware metaphysical conception could result in pregnancy. The more you know, huh? And so many guys seem to know they wanted it, middle knowledge or not.

If it can it’d be a miracle. The average jock has typically never bothered to acquire even basic molinist powers.

free thoughtpolice wrote: ↑

But pretty much anybody not identifying as conservative / libertarian and not willing to cross the line into socialism and beyond will trot the label out as a virtue badge.

Wow. They sound like they are really smug about believing they have the right philosophy.

When you have the right badge you can get away with anything.

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: ↑

Brive1987 wrote: ↑ I use the term as an accurate absurdity.

There is a lot of unpleasant ideology in play sailing under the liberal ‘anti hate’, ‘inclusive’ banner. And I suspect a lot of benign liberals get suckered by the brown shirted charity muggers and friendly labeled NGOs.

And a lot of otherwise normal conservatives are flying the flag of a deranged demagogue. It's why the curvy bit of the horseshoe is best.

Strangely enough I’m suspicious of any model where the the proponents place themselves in the centre as the “sane” party with everybody else measured by their opposition to said sanity.

Now that’s smug.

Do you have a view on the fish-hook theory?

https://psmag.com/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_s ... 63xazb.jpg

Driftless wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:36 pm

Brive1987 wrote: ↑ Oorah.

{Graham Chapman enters] "Stop! This is too silly!"

Among the MMORPG I have played (WOW, EQ2, FFXIV) women seem to gravitate to admin roles. While you do not usually see women in the Raid Leader and/or Guild leader role, it is not unusual for them to be there either.

Which is why I would not find it unusual if women in the armed forces tend to gravitate to an admin function. Seriously, what would you rather do, play silly buggers in the bush or do paperwork in an office?

The corn cob theory is even more nuanced

http://progressivememetics.org/wp-conte ... theory.jpg

AndrewV69 wrote: ↑Seriously, what would you rather do, play silly buggers in the bush or do paperwork in an office?

This...

https://external-preview.redd.it/1sK46I ... 0aba414c7b

or this...

https://www.connectwithcpi.com/sites/de ... BAS%5D.jpg

I know which one boils my love-spuds, mate. ;)

I thought we had this sorted seventy or eighty years ago?

http://i.imgur.com/8LMM1xb.jpg

Brive1987 wrote: ↑

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: ↑

Brive1987 wrote: ↑ I use the term as an accurate absurdity.

There is a lot of unpleasant ideology in play sailing under the liberal ‘anti hate’, ‘inclusive’ banner. And I suspect a lot of benign liberals get suckered by the brown shirted charity muggers and friendly labeled NGOs.

And a lot of otherwise normal conservatives are flying the flag of a deranged demagogue. It's why the curvy bit of the horseshoe is best.

Strangely enough I’m suspicious of any model where the the proponents place themselves in the centre as the “sane” party with everybody else measured by their opposition to said sanity.

Now that’s smug.

Do you have a view on the fish-hook theory?

https://psmag.com/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_s ... 63xazb.jpg

Given the way that the LibNats (or the Not-the-Labor Party) are behaving over energy at the moment, I'm tending to this theory:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/imag ... zz-sEdNBvg

Brive1987 wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:12 am

I thought we had this sorted seventy or eighty years ago?

http://i.imgur.com/8LMM1xb.jpg

45! Lucky bastards. I can't get in any armed service or reserve anymore. Too fucking old.

Brive1987 wrote: ↑ I thought we had this sorted seventy or eighty years ago?

http://i.imgur.com/8LMM1xb.jpg

to release men from certain military duties for service with fighting units

Fucking male privilege.

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:56 am

DrokkIt wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:00 am

Anyone remember when Sargon tried to get social justice courses shutdown via petition?

I'm sure if he'd been successful, there would have been people with their income cut off. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, can't really feel that much sympathy for people who themselves have attempted the same kind of tactics.

The taxpayer isn't funding Sargon. Are you suggesting that people be content that the public purse is used to create political activists of one particular stripe? If that isn't an abuse of tax money, I don't know what is.

No I'm suggesting there is an unfortunate irony.

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote: ↑45! Lucky bastards. I can't get in any armed service or reserve anymore. Too fucking old.

Move to the UK, mate - the women's auxiliary balloon corps are always recruiting.

DrokkIt wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:31 am

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:56 am

DrokkIt wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:00 am

Anyone remember when Sargon tried to get social justice courses shutdown via petition?

I'm sure if he'd been successful, there would have been people with their income cut off. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, can't really feel that much sympathy for people who themselves have attempted the same kind of tactics.

The taxpayer isn't funding Sargon. Are you suggesting that people be content that the public purse is used to create political activists of one particular stripe? If that isn't an abuse of tax money, I don't know what is.

No I'm suggesting there is an unfortunate irony.

I don't see how it can be ironic unless going after a private individual receiving private funds from other private individuals is even remotely equivalent to citizens petitioning against the state sponsoring partisan political activism.

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:51 am

DrokkIt wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:31 am

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:56 am

DrokkIt wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:00 am

Anyone remember when Sargon tried to get social justice courses shutdown via petition?

I'm sure if he'd been successful, there would have been people with their income cut off. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, can't really feel that much sympathy for people who themselves have attempted the same kind of tactics.

The taxpayer isn't funding Sargon. Are you suggesting that people be content that the public purse is used to create political activists of one particular stripe? If that isn't an abuse of tax money, I don't know what is.

No I'm suggesting there is an unfortunate irony.

I don't see how it can be ironic unless going after a private individual receiving private funds from other private individuals is even remotely equivalent to citizens petitioning against the state sponsoring partisan political activism.

I'm going to side with TFJ here.

Huge difference between going after private ventures and tax-sustained indoctrination.

There's a fine line between stupid and clever.

No, not really.

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: ↑

DrokkIt wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:31 am

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:56 am

DrokkIt wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:00 am

Anyone remember when Sargon tried to get social justice courses shutdown via petition?

I'm sure if he'd been successful, there would have been people with their income cut off. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, can't really feel that much sympathy for people who themselves have attempted the same kind of tactics.

The taxpayer isn't funding Sargon. Are you suggesting that people be content that the public purse is used to create political activists of one particular stripe? If that isn't an abuse of tax money, I don't know what is.

No I'm suggesting there is an unfortunate irony.

I don't see how it can be ironic unless going after a private individual receiving private funds from other private individuals is even remotely equivalent to citizens petitioning against the state sponsoring partisan political activism.

And I don't see how the consideration of what is and isn't moral should be adjusted depending on who pays for it. In my view attacking people's jobs is attacking people's jobs.

In my view, who pays the jobs is kinda important.

Brive1987 wrote: ↑

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: ↑

Brive1987 wrote: ↑ I use the term as an accurate absurdity.

There is a lot of unpleasant ideology in play sailing under the liberal ‘anti hate’, ‘inclusive’ banner. And I suspect a lot of benign liberals get suckered by the brown shirted charity muggers and friendly labeled NGOs.

And a lot of otherwise normal conservatives are flying the flag of a deranged demagogue. It's why the curvy bit of the horseshoe is best.

Strangely enough I’m suspicious of any model where the the proponents place themselves in the centre as the “sane” party with everybody else measured by their opposition to said sanity.

Now that’s smug.

Do you have a view on the fish-hook theory?

https://psmag.com/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_s ... 63xazb.jpg

Yes, noticing that there are nutters on either end of the political spectrum, why, that does seem smug. What a fool I (and every other non-ideologue) have been. :roll:

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: ↑Yes, noticing that there are nutters on either end of the political spectrum, why, that does seem smug. What a fool I (and every other non-ideologue) have been. :roll:

It's not even a matter of extremes in the left-right spectrum. It's a matter of the liberal democratic-authoritarian spectrum. Or the individual rights-collectivism spectrum.

When you're marching under the banner of "freedom of speech go to hell/liberals get the bullet too" or of "lock her up/you will not replace us" it's time to stop and ask yourself, "am I the baddie?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote: ↑ In my view, who pays the jobs is kinda important.

No bad tactics, only bad targets eh?

DrokkIt wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:06 am

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: ↑

DrokkIt wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:31 am

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:56 am

DrokkIt wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:00 am

Anyone remember when Sargon tried to get social justice courses shutdown via petition?

I'm sure if he'd been successful, there would have been people with their income cut off. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, can't really feel that much sympathy for people who themselves have attempted the same kind of tactics.

The taxpayer isn't funding Sargon. Are you suggesting that people be content that the public purse is used to create political activists of one particular stripe? If that isn't an abuse of tax money, I don't know what is.

No I'm suggesting there is an unfortunate irony.

I don't see how it can be ironic unless going after a private individual receiving private funds from other private individuals is even remotely equivalent to citizens petitioning against the state sponsoring partisan political activism.

And I don't see how the consideration of what is and isn't moral should be adjusted depending on who pays for it. In my view attacking people's jobs is attacking people's jobs.

It is a matter of the misuse of tax revenue to indoctrinate students into a radical ideology, an ideology which arguably doesn't possess the academc rigour to warrant being taught in a university anyway. Calling for the abolition of gender studies at universities is no more a specific attack on peoples jobs than arguing for any other changes in public service delivery. I think the BBC should have it's public funding removed. Is that a legitimate thing to petition for or am I going after Tony Hall's job? How is that equivalent to trying to stop a private citizen from receiving money directly from other private citizens?

Brive1987 wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:20 pm

Oorah.

The one in the middle is a real cutie. The two chicks on either side of her, though, are a bit too masculine for my taste.

Bhurzum wrote: ↑ Move to the UK, mate - the women's auxiliary balloon corps are always recruiting.

We may have found a meaningful career for Lindy West.

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: ↑

DrokkIt wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:06 am

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: ↑

DrokkIt wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:31 am

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:56 am

DrokkIt wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:00 am

Anyone remember when Sargon tried to get social justice courses shutdown via petition?

I'm sure if he'd been successful, there would have been people with their income cut off. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, can't really feel that much sympathy for people who themselves have attempted the same kind of tactics.

The taxpayer isn't funding Sargon. Are you suggesting that people be content that the public purse is used to create political activists of one particular stripe? If that isn't an abuse of tax money, I don't know what is.

No I'm suggesting there is an unfortunate irony.

I don't see how it can be ironic unless going after a private individual receiving private funds from other private individuals is even remotely equivalent to citizens petitioning against the state sponsoring partisan political activism.

And I don't see how the consideration of what is and isn't moral should be adjusted depending on who pays for it. In my view attacking people's jobs is attacking people's jobs.

It is a matter of the misuse of tax revenue to indoctrinate students into a radical ideology, an ideology which arguably doesn't possess the academc rigour to warrant being taught in a university anyway. Calling for the abolition of gender studies at universities is no more a specific attack on peoples jobs than arguing for any other changes in public service delivery. I think the BBC should have it's public funding removed. Is that a legitimate thing to petition for or am I going after Tony Hall's job? How is that equivalent to trying to stop a private citizen from receiving money directly from other private citizens?

I don't recall offering an opinion of whether or not it's legitimate.

I offered the observation that once one has used this tactic it limits my sympathy when it's used back in turn. This is my opinion, you are entitled to your own... the way you justify it or not is irrelevant to how I should feel about it though.

Bhurzum wrote: ↑

AndrewV69 wrote: ↑Seriously, what would you rather do, play silly buggers in the bush or do paperwork in an office?

This...

https://external-preview.redd.it/1sK46I ... 0aba414c7b

or this...

https://www.connectwithcpi.com/sites/de ... BAS%5D.jpg

I know which one boils my love-spuds, mate. ;)

If only there were a way to combine the two!

As usual Brive has things wrong about the smug thing. It's not the liberals that are smug, it's the liberalists!

And if you think libtards are smug, just think of the constant sneer on the face of cuntservative Cucker Tarlson or alt right chemtrail scientist and professional snowflake triggerer JP Watson.

Of course it is simple to go back and observe that I didn’t introduce the term to discussion.

This is a curious game.

Does anyone have any plans to ameliorate Sargo's situation? (Besides typing things on an an Internet forum I mean).

Perhaps a patreon strike could be organised - where all the donators stop paying - in order to effect Patreon's revenue stream. There would of course be some inconvenience to the benefactors - but it's a tried and true method for negotiating rights. (And of course a principle is at stake).

As things currently stand - it seems unlikely that anyone here is having any effect one way or the other - no matter what their stated position is.

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: ↑

Brive1987 wrote: ↑

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: ↑

Brive1987 wrote: ↑ I use the term as an accurate absurdity.

There is a lot of unpleasant ideology in play sailing under the liberal ‘anti hate’, ‘inclusive’ banner. And I suspect a lot of benign liberals get suckered by the brown shirted charity muggers and friendly labeled NGOs.

And a lot of otherwise normal conservatives are flying the flag of a deranged demagogue. It's why the curvy bit of the horseshoe is best.

Strangely enough I’m suspicious of any model where the the proponents place themselves in the centre as the “sane” party with everybody else measured by their opposition to said sanity.

Now that’s smug.

Do you have a view on the fish-hook theory?

[img]https..://psmag.com/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_1024/MTUzMzcxNTk2MzY1NTA1NjE2/e63xazb.jpg[/img]

Yes, noticing that there are nutters on either end of the political spectrum, why, that does seem smug. What a fool I (and every other non-ideologue) have been. :roll:

Maybe. But that wasn’t my point.

MarcusAu wrote: ↑ Does anyone have any plans to ameliorate Sargo's situation? (Besides typing things on an an Internet forum I mean).

Perhaps a patreon strike could be organised - where all the donators stop paying - in order to effect Patreon's revenue stream. There would of course be some inconvenience to the benefactors - but it's a tried and true method for negotiating rights. (And of course a principle is at stake).

As things currently stand - it seems unlikely that anyone here is having any effect one way or the other - no matter what their stated position is.

Styx is opening a SubscribeStar account and will also use Gab. Best way to drive innovation is to move your money.

Brive1987 wrote: ↑ Of course it is simple to go back and observe that I didn’t introduce the term to discussion.

This is a curious game.

Which term do you mean? Smug?
I wasn't aware that I needed your permission to discuss the terminology you use.
By curious game do you mean you can make a statement like

But pretty much anybody not identifying as conservative / libertarian and not willing to cross the line into socialism and beyond will trot the label out as a virtue badge.

and not expect people that aren't conservative /libertarian/socialist and identify as liberal to reject that statement as rather insulting?

John D wrote:

Styx is opening a SubscribeStar account and will also use Gab. Best way to drive innovation is to move your money.

A solution. I had a problem where a plumber wouldn't do some work I wanted because he didn't want to go into my crawlspace and get dirty and battle spiders and such so I hired a different plumber.

Speaking of smug, here's one from the radical left SJW telling us good men to shut up and let man hating lesbian dykes do all the talking about how men should behave. H/T to PZ for shutting up and introducing this gem.

free thoughtpolice wrote: ↑

Brive1987 wrote: ↑ Of course it is simple to go back and observe that I didn’t introduce the term to discussion.

This is a curious game.

Which term do you mean? Smug?
I wasn't aware that I needed your permission to discuss the terminology you use.
By curious game do you mean you can make a statement like

But pretty much anybody not identifying as conservative / libertarian and not willing to cross the line into socialism and beyond will trot the label out as a virtue badge.

and not expect people that aren't conservative /libertarian/socialist and identify as liberal to reject that statement as rather insulting?

‘Permission’ is yet another new term for the discussion.

The issue is whether my generalisation holds water. As well as any generealisation can.

The way in which ‘liberal’, liberal values, liberal society, liberal democracy is thrown around (without necessary definition) is very badge like. It becomes a synonym for “good ie not Nazi or commie”

Once you pick apart applied liberalism it becomes far less useful (or certain) a blanket term. Most people are a quilt of ideologies of various intensities.

I apologise if this hurt your feelings.

Something funny is going on when liberals ban liberals for not being liberal. Or for being too liberal. Or not the right sort of liberal. Or ...

Brive1987 wrote: ↑ Something funny is going on when liberals ban liberals for not being liberal. Or for being too liberal. Or not the right sort of liberal. Or ...

Extremes of both sides conduct rigorous purity tests. This is axiomatic. The vast, mostly quiet middle do not.

free thoughtpolice wrote: ↑ Speaking of smug, here's one from the radical left SJW telling us good men to shut up and let man hating lesbian dykes do all the talking about how men should behave. H/T to PZ for shutting up and introducing this gem.

Haha. So many thoughts come up.

First - I don't think I am fundamentally "good". I am just a guy who tries to do what is best everyday... and I often fail. Life is complicated and I don't know that many people who think they are all that "good".... and the people I know who spend the most time telling everyone how good they are happen to be women. Women at work, friends, and women in my family.... it is women who spend the most time explaining to me why they are "good". None of my male friends spend time saying how good they are.... because we spend time trying to do the things that are good. The men in my life spend time thinking about what good is like... and how to achieve it. The women in my life spend their time deciding what other people have done that is not good and why that makes them good. I am generalizing a bit.... but only a bit.

And so.... I ponder the difference between the sexes right now. It is absolutely comic. My daughter who is bi-sexual is super attracted to the lesbian character called Mary Agnes on the Netflix show Godless. Now, this doesn't bother me. I think it is fine... but... please dear... don't feel like you should tell me how sexy you think she is every time she is on the screen. I mean... have some self control. I am your dad. I don't need to know how you feel in every scene of this show. I told her to stop talking about it... I get it already! You think she is hot.

and... while it is perfectly okay for women to chatter away about who is "hot"... men can hardly make a comment. Haha. It is like the 1950s is in full inversion. If I find someone "hot" and mention it I am being insensitive to the plight of women and I am a misogynist. WTF! and I am telling you... the bitches don't even know they have made this double standard. haha. They really can't tell.

and perhaps this is because we men have been conditioned to take care of our ladies.... and this has persisted even as women get pissed at us to holding the door open for them. It's a fucking mess.

and now.... even while I am nursing a bad cold... the ladies in my life can do almost nothing to keep the house running except to order carry-out for dinner. haha. What a strange place I am in. At least I don't depend on anyone. My wife has many more health problems than I do so I will likely out live her anyway. She will never have to "take care of me" in my inevitable senility. Good thing too.... cause she would not be able to do it. She asks me why I don't retire early...haha. I am really thinking that I need enough money to take care of myself cause you will not be here to do it.

Well... what a rant. I am so tired of women crying and blubbering and looking for special favors. Man... I have had enough. end of rant.

Brive1987 wrote: ↑

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: ↑

Brive1987 wrote: ↑ I use the term as an accurate absurdity.

There is a lot of unpleasant ideology in play sailing under the liberal ‘anti hate’, ‘inclusive’ banner. And I suspect a lot of benign liberals get suckered by the brown shirted charity muggers and friendly labeled NGOs.

And a lot of otherwise normal conservatives are flying the flag of a deranged demagogue. It's why the curvy bit of the horseshoe is best.

Strangely enough I’m suspicious of any model where the the proponents place themselves in the centre as the “sane” party with everybody else measured by their opposition to said sanity.

Now that’s smug.

Do you have a view on the fish-hook theory?

https://psmag.com/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_s ... 63xazb.jpg

The Fish Hook theory is complete bollocks, and the only people I see pushing it are Far Left extremists like Dan Arel.

Meanwhile, the Horseshow theory has some merit. The Far Left and the Far Right share a lot of positions and values: hostility to free speech, admiration for dictators and "strongmen", authoritarianism, their hatred of Jews/Israel, and the list goes on and on.

The Far Left don't like it when you point out how similar many of their values are with the Far Right, and that is why they push this silly "Fish Hook" theory.

CommanderTuvok wrote: ↑ The Fish Hook theory is complete bollocks, and the only people I see pushing it are Far Left extremists like Dan Arel.

Dan Arel dropped it after his wife presented him with her "Plenty of Fish Hook-Up" proposal.

Brive wrote:

The way in which ‘liberal’, liberal values, liberal society, liberal democracy is thrown around (without necessary definition) is very badge like. It becomes a synonym for “good ie not Nazi or commie”

I gather that is your perception and possibly that is an Aussie thing but I can tell you that isn't close to accurate in my experience. No one I know labels themselves as liberal as a purity thing but it seems to you that anyone even close to the center does.
I would label myself as a centrist/ liberal. Liberal as in a believer in liberal democracy and open to some change if it is positive. Centrist as in a believer in capitalism in that I have been self employed most of my working life either as a subcontractor or running my own business but still holding the belief that the government has a place in such things as utilities, health care education, policing, military...

Something funny is going on when liberals ban liberals for not being liberal. Or for being too liberal. Or not the right sort of liberal. Or ...

It isn't the liberals that are doing the banning. The authoritarian, illiberal left wingers are doing the loud snivelling and the right wing corporate drones are doing the banning so it doesn't hurt their profits. Again, the people you are calling liberals don't identify as such nor are they regarded as liberals by the vast majority of people. Perhaps you have become deluded about what the meaning of what the word liberal means because you have been listening to the right wing kooks that have weaponized the word and have been maliciously and dishonestly misusing it.

Haha... so my wife is just now rolling out of bed (it is 5:00 pm here)... and she tells me how much she loves me and how good looking I am and how thankful she is for me.... IT'S A TRAP! Haha.