If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

F Scott Fitzgerald wrote: “Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me.

Bhurzum wrote: ↑

:popcorn:

Matt Cavanaugh wrote: ↑

Dick Strawkins wrote: ↑

Matt Cavanaugh wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:40 am

And it's starting to look like NdGT is yet another creepy horndog 'atheist hero'.

Here's another NDT 'incident involving hm and Cara Santa Maria, Rebecca Watson's eventual replacement on the SGU panel.
It takes place before a live audience.

Look at the interaction at about 21 minutes 45 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWSLMTS ... .be&t=1527

There are certain unsaid assumptions here.

1. Most of us could confidently predict that if we tried to do the same thing as NDT did here to Cara Santa Maria we would get fired.
2. Cara goes along with it - although you can assume she wouldn't go along with it for most people - even if the action was to illustrate the same point - that she had a nerdy Carl Sagan quote tattoo.

It's a rather obvious double standard - but one that is understood by both the participants (NDT and Cara) and the audience.
NDG is clearly a star and stars are allowed to do things that would get most of the rest of us fired.

Once you start making hard and fast rules about male behavior towards women then the unspoken allowances that stars possess are going to be thrown into question. If you or I could be accused of sexual assault for doing what NDT did on this occasion purely by describing in literal terms what happened, (he pulled her to her feet and, without asking her consent, lifted up her top to expose her tattoo to the audience) then NDT, when not protected by the unspoken star 'priviledge', can also face the same dangers.

The vibe I get off of that is they'd been intimate before or even ongoing at the time. Note how his hand lingers and slides across her scrawny ass after she's recited the quote.

That being said, the A/S / Science Geek event circuit is just one big roving swingers club. Celebs like Tyson, Shermer (and CSM, I'm sure) score big time, with plenty of willing groupies. They're all narcissists to some extent, and start to think they can score at will and are allowed to hit on anyone & everyone

MarcusAu wrote: ↑

F Scott Fitzgerald wrote: “Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me.

Sargon was earning over £150K (or perhaps $'s) a year - when totaling everything up.

Milo would have had to have been at a similar level - before his recent financial issues came to light. ($4 mill in dept according to some reports).

Both have enjoyed the fruits of their benefactors labours for sometime now. I'm not going to take delight in their misfortune - but I will say that their entire lifestyles were predicated on the kindness of strangers and corporations. I've not donated anything to them - and will not be working against them either - but I put both of them in the 'charity' category - and any disposable income I have in that department will be prioritised to more worthy causes first. (After all - It is the season).

I wish them no ill will - but with the amounts they have been earning - I think I can afford to look after my own life first before shedding any tears for their cause.

When things happen to rich people it somehow doesn't seem so bad. Actually, if things happens to any other people (no matter what their income level) it's never quite as big of a deal.

Mel Brooks wrote:“Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die.”

MarcusAu wrote: ↑

F Scott Fitzgerald wrote: “Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me.

Sargon was earning over £150K (or perhaps $'s) a year - when totaling everything up.

Milo would have had to have been at a similar level - before his recent financial issues came to light. ($4 mill in dept according to some reports).

Both have enjoyed the fruits of their benefactors labours for sometime now. I'm not going to take delight in their misfortune - but I will say that their entire lifestyles were predicated on the kindness of strangers and corporations. I've not donated anything to them - and will not be working against them either - but I put both of them in the 'charity' category - and any disposable income I have in that department will be prioritised to more worthy causes first. (After all - It is the season).

I wish them no ill will - but with the amounts they have been earning - I think I can afford to look after my own life first before shedding any tears for their cause.

When things happen to rich people it somehow doesn't seem so bad. Actually, if things happens to any other people (no matter what their income level) it's never quite as big of a deal.

John D wrote: ↑ Like I said earlier..... SJWs are all about resentment.... and I didn't know MarcuAu was an SJW till just now.

MarcusAu wrote: ↑

John D wrote: ↑ Like I said earlier..... SJWs are all about resentment.... and I didn't know MarcuAu was an SJW till just now.

I don't think I qualify...but perhaps you know best...

Bhurzum wrote: ↑ He looks like a proper cunt.

free thoughtpolice wrote: ↑ Does anyone know how to contact the investigative reporters at Buzzfeed? PZ may be a rapidly fading nobody but Buzzfeed does love to nail atheists for naughty sex behavior and why should Myers coast using his mediocrity privilege? I'd say once that video of him going all creepy, the silenced rape victim and his subsequent changing stories of the incident, telling a rape joke on a drunken hangout, confessing to having fantasies about his students being naked mermaids, and plenty more creepy behavior is exposed more and more victims will come forward.
When we apply the Hornbeck test to PZ, there seems to be little doubt of his guilt.
Creepy behavior; check.
Athlete with an injury ending his career early; check.
Assault victim silenced by the patriarchy; check and checkmate. Another atheist hero bites the dust.

SM1957 wrote: ↑ In shock news, somebody who has XX chromosomes is feeding a baby with milk produced in their body.


This is causing great problems, as calling it 'breastfeeding' leads to sarcastic claims that the baby is being fed by a woman,

Which would never do.....

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... ng/497015/

MarcusAu wrote: ↑ I know that it's in keeping with the spirit of the times (what with the Beauty Pageant candidate elected President) - is this the sort of thing people should be caring about?

I mean can anyone here (without googling) name the last winners of the Miss Universe contest?

MarcusAu wrote: ↑ I know that it's in keeping with the spirit of the times (what with the Beauty Pageant candidate elected President) - is this the sort of thing people should be caring about?

I mean can anyone here (without googling) name the last winners of the Miss Universe contest?

MarcusAu wrote: ↑ John D - did get me thinking though...

If I'm going to resent anyone for having money - the rich seem a pretty good choice.

John D wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:04 am

MarcusAu wrote: ↑

F Scott Fitzgerald wrote: “Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me.

Sargon was earning over £150K (or perhaps $'s) a year - when totaling everything up.

Milo would have had to have been at a similar level - before his recent financial issues came to light. ($4 mill in dept according to some reports).

Both have enjoyed the fruits of their benefactors labours for sometime now. I'm not going to take delight in their misfortune - but I will say that their entire lifestyles were predicated on the kindness of strangers and corporations. I've not donated anything to them - and will not be working against them either - but I put both of them in the 'charity' category - and any disposable income I have in that department will be prioritised to more worthy causes first. (After all - It is the season).

I wish them no ill will - but with the amounts they have been earning - I think I can afford to look after my own life first before shedding any tears for their cause.

When things happen to rich people it somehow doesn't seem so bad. Actually, if things happens to any other people (no matter what their income level) it's never quite as big of a deal.

Like I said earlier..... SJWs are all about resentment.... and I didn't know MarcuAu was an SJW till just now.

free thoughtpolice wrote: ↑

Ape+lust wrote: ↑ Brave and stunning. Stunning and brave. Bravely stunning. Stunningly brave.

If women don't wake the fuck up soon, mansplaining assholes in dresses will commandeer ALL their women-only shit. ...

Denise

Chicago3h ago

Times Pick

I am a member of the T community. When I was 4 years old I asked my mother "was a mistake made, am I supposed to be a girl."

I didn't speak about it again until I was 53 and my life became unlivable. In the past 3 years my life has taken such a change and not the change I expected.

In late 2015 I was a complete and total mental wreck. After 50 years of struggling with the "I should have been a girl" issue it was all I thought about. My work suffered, my personal life suffered, my relationships suffered and I was an angry human being.

In the last three years I've been on Estrogen and Anti-Androgen medication and I'm amazed at the difference. I NEVER think about my gender any more. All the noise in my head has gone away. I'm a much happier person and I'm at the top of my game in all aspects of my life.

Obviously there is a LONG story here but my point is, I knew at age 4 that something was wrong. I lived with anguish and desire for 50 years. Is that right? Is that what some people want?

Outside of the immediate family of someone who transitions it doesn't affect anyone. One of my guiding thoughts during the last three years was "No body cares. If someone does care they are a No body."

If you have never met and spoken with someone who is transgender you might be surprised to learn that we are people just like your neighbor who is Left Handed (Research how in the 1920's being left handed was removed from the mental disorders list!)

Ape+lust wrote: ↑Keeping them out would be a whole lot easier than throwing them out.

Ape+lust wrote: ↑

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https://www.dailywire.com/news/39056/tr ... es-barrett

MarcusAu wrote: ↑ I liked the movie though...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dVEH3j-qTU

Ape+lust wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:29 am

Kirbmarc wrote: ↑If NDT is toast, shouldn't PZ be worried too? Perhaps this is why he hesitated about tossing Neil under the bus.

Rules are for the unwashed. It doesn't matter if Peez breaks them, because he's already good. That's the unspoken premise to his excuses for ZOOMing and acting like a horndog with an audience volunteer.

https://i.imgur.com/tPG2h6G.jpg

MarcusAu wrote: ↑

F Scott Fitzgerald wrote: “Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me.

Sargon was earning over £150K (or perhaps $'s) a year - when totaling everything up.

Milo would have had to have been at a similar level - before his recent financial issues came to light. ($4 mill in dept according to some reports).

Both have enjoyed the fruits of their benefactors labours for sometime now. I'm not going to take delight in their misfortune - but I will say that their entire lifestyles were predicated on the kindness of strangers and corporations. I've not donated anything to them - and will not be working against them either - but I put both of them in the 'charity' category - and any disposable income I have in that department will be prioritised to more worthy causes first. (After all - It is the season).

I wish them no ill will - but with the amounts they have been earning - I think I can afford to look after my own life first before shedding any tears for their cause.

When things happen to rich people it somehow doesn't seem so bad. Actually, if things happens to any other people (no matter what their income level) it's never quite as big of a deal.

Brive1987 wrote: ↑ I don’t really read the situation as one just focused on an individual. Remember when patreon was all about reacting to “observable behaviour”? You know when Southern was apparently manifestly observed killing refugees. Or something. Just before her POV became Italian government policy. There was a formal tedious Patreon video all about it.

Well the SOP is apparently .... fluid.

Matt Cavanaugh wrote: ↑ The most one can say about MY LIFE AS A DOG is it's not Lasse Hallström's worst movie. But that's like saying the Plague of Justinian wasn't the worst of the Bubonic Plagues.

MarcusAu wrote: ↑

Brive1987 wrote: ↑ I don’t really read the situation as one just focused on an individual. Remember when patreon was all about reacting to “observable behaviour”? You know when Southern was apparently manifestly observed killing refugees. Or something. Just before her POV became Italian government policy. There was a formal tedious Patreon video all about it.

Well the SOP is apparently .... fluid.

The 'Or Something' we can agree upon.

Either the company's policy (and freedom of association) is challenged - through the courts or by government regulation or some other way. Or alternative revenue streams must be found for content creators that you support.

Convincing people to support free speech in general as an abstract concept seems to be a tougher sell in these partisan times. The older model of having conservative and liberal think tanks (or companies) may be one way to organise things.

In any case people will (and do already) vote with their dollars and views. And if people chose to focus on their own lives rather than those of online personalities - I'm certainly not going to begrudge them that.

Brive1987 wrote: ↑ We never did get a legitimate explanation of what was manifestly observably dangerous/illegal about the Gerneration Identity Mediterranean operation.

Brive1987 wrote: ↑ What is your preferred equivalent alternative to Patreon?

What is your preferred equivalent alternative to Patreon? Obviously a leading question in a corporate trust style environment.

MarcusAu wrote: ↑

Brive1987 wrote: ↑ What is your preferred equivalent alternative to Patreon?

Working for a living. In a pinch, being born rich.

...on second thoughts maybe I have that the wrong way round.


Hypocrisy never rated as a mortal or even a venial sin - probably because it's too common.


These modern conservatives will never get anywhere until they seize the means of production.

Re the means of production. Interestingly there are now moves for the right leaning to align with porn payment gateways, ie groups used to “high risk content”.

Brive1987 wrote: ↑ What difference do you see between Patreon supported Youtubers and traditional self published authors ?

free thoughtpolice wrote: ↑ Brive wrote:

Re the means of production. Interestingly there are now moves for the right leaning to align with porn payment gateways, ie groups used to “high risk content”.

I wonder if they screwed that up with their audit the thot campaign. Nobody likes the radical righties, for good reason.

MarcusAu wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:39 pm

Brive1987 wrote: ↑ We never did get a legitimate explanation of what was manifestly observably dangerous/illegal about the Gerneration Identity Mediterranean operation.

I don't recall an illegitimate one either. Nice as it might be to have it - what would be the basis for compelling them to provide one? Or even the point?

Sometimes no answer is an answer. And if that no answer is 'Fuck You' (or legal boiler plate equivalent) then the person has no choice to start looking for alternatives. Unless the company should not have the right associate with who it chooses.

Maybe they should bake that metaphorical cake.

Just looking at things pragmatically (or trying to) - my position is not set in stone.

MarcusAu wrote: ↑ But you are probably not a Sammy Petrillo fan either.

Ape+lust wrote: ↑ Ye Gods. Lindy's getting larger. Or Trevor's gotten tinier.

https://i.imgur.com/mn5ALzp.jpg

MarcusAu wrote: ↑

Brive1987 wrote: ↑ What difference do you see between Patreon supported Youtubers and traditional self published authors ?

Just the obvious ones...

YouTube has a lower bar as to how easy and quick it is to create content (especially if we are comparing creating videos to more traditional texts eg books). So a lot of YouTube content is generated. Probably a greater proportion of it is of lower quality - but I don't know that.

And it has a much more efficient distribution and payment systems. For quicker delivery and increased market penetration.


This is probably the point at which an economist would generate a supply and demand graph, commission a market analysis, and come up with a micro vs macro economic theory for some such thing. Better luck next time.

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: ↑ And what if the big huge mega giant massive monopolistic mega platform that booted you off decides to use it's not inconsiderable clout to muzzle alternatives?

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: ↑ Do you trust that the authorities will do their anti-monopolistic duty in a world where the victims of bannings by the big platforms can be cast as far right hate speaking villains and in fact be deemed to be breaking the law in some jurisdictions?

free thoughtpolice wrote: ↑ The dude that ran his car into the crowd of libtards at Charlottesville found guilty.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/james-ale ... -1.4937724

Brive1987 wrote: ↑ Or are you more aligned to only encouraging professionally curated content?

MarcusAu wrote: ↑

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: ↑ And what if the big huge mega giant massive monopolistic mega platform that booted you off decides to use it's not inconsiderable clout to muzzle alternatives?

The answer is in the question. Then alternatives would not be available.

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: ↑ Do you trust that the authorities will do their anti-monopolistic duty in a world where the victims of bannings by the big platforms can be cast as far right hate speaking villains and in fact be deemed to be breaking the law in some jurisdictions?

No.You had me at 'Do you trust...authorities...'

This begins to feel less like a conversation - and more like a magic trick where the magician asks me to 'Pick a card, any card' I'll leave it to whoever wants to - to examine the premises contained in the questions.

Ape+lust wrote: ↑ Ye Gods. Lindy's getting larger. Or Trevor's gotten tinier.

https://i.imgur.com/mn5ALzp.jpg

Brive1987 wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:35 pm

We invite you to integrate into our madness .....

Brive1987 wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:12 pm