Naked fat black crippled dykes are hard to find...

[AndrewV69]

erm ... just came to me that I was talking about Arabs in general. Pakis I do not know that well at all. I am much more familiar with the more educated Indians, and to a much lesser degree with "village Indians".

[shoutinghorse]

The woman who interviewed Petersen is someone called Helen Lewis, who is a bigwig at the New Statesman, whose reputation has not recovered since it appointed Mehdi "cattle" Hasan as editor, before he fucked off to Al Jazzera, and admitted he believes in flying horses in an interview with Dawkins.

Anyway, Lewis is from the Ophelia Benson school of feminism, and is often labelled as a "transphobe" on social media.

All very funny.

If anyone ever watches the Sunday morning politics shows on TV in the UK then you will have come across Helen Lewis, she's a regular 'paper reviewer' on shows like "Marr" and "Sunday Politics" (BBC) and also gets gigs on SKY News, no surprises there.
She is typical of the London centric liberal/lefty/greenie purveyors of bullshit that infest British political media. Oxbridge educated middle class know it alls who only venture out of the leafy trendy parts of London twice a year for holidays in Kefalonia in the summer or an Alpine skiing resort in the winter.

Her type are almost exclusively woke globalists, socialists and feminists, they all voted to remain in the EU and see Brexiteers as knuckle dragging racist xenophobes, they are predominately atheistic but will vehemently defend Islam in the most virtuous way they can because it is of course the 'progressive' thing to do. They represent everything I detest about politics in my country. :x

[MarcusAu]

erm ... just came to me that I was talking about Arabs in general. Pakis I do not know that well at all. I am much more familiar with the more educated Indians, and to a much lesser degree with "village Indians".

But you must at least be familiar with how your grandfather thought of your grandmother...

[ThreeFlangedJavis]

No end to it apparently :

Rotherham grooming gangs: National Crime Agency investigating more than 420 suspects in 'unprecedented' operation

Mr Javid said that perpetrators convicted in high-profile cases have been “disproportionately from a Pakistani background”, adding: “I have instructed my officials to explore the particular context and characteristics of these types of gangs and if the evidence suggests that there are cultural factors that may be driving this type of offending, then I will take action.”

Somehow, I suspect that the evidence will suggest that these men are victims of the patriarchy who have been inoculated into the CIS, white male rape culture.

No doubt instructions will be issued to bring in the real culprits. Soon, any white males they can lay their hands on will be brought in willy nilly (and preferably by their willy as a sort of pre-sentence punishment).

But I could be wrong. Who knows?

Is there some justification in the Koran or Hadith that non-Muslim women are fair game as sex slaves for the true believers? I've heard various statements along the lines that all Western women are whores etc.

I'd like to see the transcripts from some of these trials. I hear there's plenty of evidence of rather nasty acts committed and things said which don't leave too much doubt about the influence of a certain religion. Leaves me wondering if Robinson is right about the real motivation for the reporting bans being to avoid the inconvenience of daily reports from court detailing the abuse. Much better to have the press fit what they can into a few articles at the end of proceedings before the media train quickly moves on. Those unwashed plebs and Sikhs can't be trusted not to overreact to the brutalising of tens(at least) of thousands of their girls. Some extremist might commit a bit of hate speech and the treasury will have to stump up some money for increased police numbers. I can only imagine how demoralised the Sikhs are. They fought genocidal jihad in India for centuries and came to Britain for a better life only to see Britain throw out the welcome mat for Islam.

[shoutinghorse]

No end to it apparently :

Rotherham grooming gangs: National Crime Agency investigating more than 420 suspects in 'unprecedented' operation

Mr Javid said that perpetrators convicted in high-profile cases have been “disproportionately from a Pakistani background”, adding: “I have instructed my officials to explore the particular context and characteristics of these types of gangs and if the evidence suggests that there are cultural factors that may be driving this type of offending, then I will take action.”

Somehow, I suspect that the evidence will suggest that these men are victims of the patriarchy who have been inoculated into the CIS, white male rape culture.

No doubt instructions will be issued to bring in the real culprits. Soon, any white males they can lay their hands on will be brought in willy nilly (and preferably by their willy as a sort of pre-sentence punishment).

But I could be wrong. Who knows?

Is there some justification in the Koran or Hadith that non-Muslim women are fair game as sex slaves for the true believers? I've heard various statements along the lines that all Western women are whores etc.

I'd like to see the transcripts from some of these trials. I hear there's plenty of evidence of rather nasty acts committed and things said which don't leave too much doubt about the influence of a certain religion. Leaves me wondering if Robinson is right about the real motivation for the reporting bans being to avoid the inconvenience of daily reports from court detailing the abuse. Much better to have the press fit what they can into a few articles at the end of proceedings before the media train quickly moves on. Those unwashed plebs and Sikhs can't be trusted not to overreact to the brutalising of tens(at least) of thousands of their girls. Some extremist might commit a bit of hate speech and the treasury will have to stump up some money for increased police numbers. I can only imagine how demoralised the Sikhs are. They fought genocidal jihad in India for centuries and came to Britain for a better life only to see Britain throw out the welcome mat for Islam.

Some of the stories from victims are truly horrific, if the gang rape and pimping wasn't enough they were treated appallingly including forced abortions, one story of a girl taken to a farmers field and just dumped after having a back street abortion, one girl having a claw hammer forced inside her in an attempt to scoop out the fetus, an eleven year old girl having her tongue nailed to a table as punishment for 'Islamophobia' when she called one of her rapists a "Dirty Paki Bastard" Stories of girls being branded with the letter M on their backsides or breasts which meant they were the property of Mohammed, (yes BRANDED, like you would with cattle) Arson attacks on some of these girls family members as warnings. One girl being murdered by a "Grooming Gang" arson attack.

Robinson has a valid point in asking why these cases (every week there's another one) are constantly being held with reporting restrictions imposed.

Like terrorists, they firmly believe that the crimes they carry out are justified by their religious beliefs.

“Muslim girls are good and pure because they dress modestly, covering down to their ankles and wrists, and covering their crotch area. They stay virgins until marriage. They are our girls.

"White girls and non-Muslim girls are bad because you dress like slags. You show the curves of your bodies (showing the gap between your thighs means you’re asking for it) and therefore you’re immoral. White girls sleep with hundreds of men. You are the other girls. You are worthless and you deserve to be gang-raped.”

https://www.google.com/search?q=girl+ha ... refox-b-ab

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/bullfinch/ ... er_torture_/

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/93107 ... d-teenager

[Tigzy]

Is there some justification in the Koran or Hadith that non-Muslim women are fair game as sex slaves for the true believers? I've heard various statements along the lines that all Western women are whores etc.

Non-muslim anyone are pretty much fair game for anything, as far as a more literal reading of islamic scripture goes. Kuffar are basically subhuman.

[shoutinghorse]

Won't somebody think of the children? :(

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-46070239

[Steersman]

Bonus comments by Kirbmarc who narrowly misses agreeing with my "thesis" (The Imperative of Categories) that there are 2 sexes, some people don't have a sex, and that there are "billions and billions" of genders (slow learner that boy, always talking, never listening ... ;-) ):

Interesting article on Medium, albeit a bit short. Are you saying that a majority have neither sex? If you had the chance to write it in form that wasn't so constrained and abbreviated how would you expand that argument?

:-) Thanks for the vote of confidence - of sorts, and for the plug and the opening, even if sardonically tinged - a 13 minute read, according to Medium, seems inconsistent with "a bit short" and with "constrained and abbreviated". ;-) But somewhat apropos of which, I've been exchanging some emails with the columnist Barbara Kay who's written extensively on the topic herself (e.g., Why the CBC chose not to air the BBC documentary on transgender kids), and this was part of her analysis of that Medium post of mine:

You do write long, which is not bad in itself, but you are making one point, not telling a story, which [is what] draws people in so they can find out what happens, so even people committed to this topic in a big way, need discipline to follow it through. And the tone of mockery (plenty to mock, I agree) automatically cuts out most of the people who need to hear the argument. ....

One of the problems is that to people like me who understand why we need to categorize, it’s not necessary to read such a long essay, and to people who don’t, I am not sure this is the way to grab their attention. Who is your real audience for this? Not sure. The people who buy the “feelings” crap literally do not understand what the fuss is about, and those who know instinctively that 2 +2 = 4 won’t have the patience for it. ....

Some reasonable, and quite welcome, criticisms, although I think there's a bit of a false dichotomy in her characterization of my audience.

However, to address your questions, my argument is that IF one accepts the categorical definition - for which there are, by definition, NO exceptions - for the categories "male" (produces sperm) and "female" (produces ova) THEN one MUST accept that those who don't produce either are NEITHER male NOR female (Q.E.D.). From which follows the conclusion that a large percentage of the population are of "neither sex". Though it is probably moot what the precise percentages are, but, as suggested, it seems that the prepubescent and the "menopausees" are not insignificant fractions.

And IF one does NOT accept the definitions for those categories THEN it seems one is obliged to table some alternatives. As you may have noticed in the article, I had, in the context of discussing Zinnia Jones' "arguments", suggested "concave and convex mating surfaces" for "female" and "male", respectively; not surprisingly he didn't seem much willing to embrace those.

But all of that is the essential element in the axiomatic method which one might reasonably argue is a foundational pillar in Western civilization - and has been right from the time of Euclid's Elements, if not before. While one might also reasonably argue that there are some limitations to that method - c.f. scientism, many of those can be addressed by postulating, by hypothesizing, alternative axioms and then seeing whether the consequences of those are more consistent with "reality". Which is all part and parcel of the scientific method, of what P.B. Medawar called the "hypothetico-deductive scheme of scientific reasoning" in his highly recommended The Art of the Soluble.

As for "expanding that argument", you may wish to take a gander at another of my Medium posts, Horns of a Dilemma: Tyrannies of the Subjective and Objective Narratives - which I see has already had some "15 Slymepit referrals" ... :-)

[CaptainFluffyBunny]

Goddamn, you gotta love PZ's lawyer. It must be tough times for the spunky hobbit in court.

[piginthecity]

Is there some justification in the Koran or Hadith that non-Muslim women are fair game as sex slaves for the true believers? I've heard various statements along the lines that all Western women are whores etc.

Non-muslim anyone are pretty much fair game for anything, as far as a more literal reading of islamic scripture goes. Kuffar are basically subhuman.

Yeah - The Koran bangs on and on with in-group-solidarity-out-group-hostility relentlessly. The basic premise is that there's the Ummah and there's the Kuffir and that you don't want to be like those. It's all about limiting one's moral concern to fellow muslims only, so it may not be that the gang-rapists are actually following the Koran, but it's hardly a coincidence that they felt entitled to rape and abuse those particular victims. At the very least, their religion didn't encourage them to feel empathy.

In the areas where these things happened there are plenty of hindus, Sikhs, ex-muslims and Christians with the same skin-colour, level of education, economic status and age as the perpetrators. Yet how come we always know the religion of the rapists. It's practically a fucking science experiment !

[Brive1987]

The conversation above raises interesting questions about the changing nature of cultural tapestries at the macro-social level.
(Too complex CFB? Try “on a big picture scale, our social reality is getting fucked over”)

Fascism gains momentum when the centre loses faith in traditional national structures. Political, legal, policing, media, shared values.

But because we all know a “good Muslim” (one of my best friends converted) this conversation is verboten.

On a broader level, there is no room for criticism of civic nationalism which underpins big-population economic policies.
The state imposes ‘no discussion’ restrictions, liberals slam down the Overton Window, the media runs silent, nice young girls get held for terrorism .....

[MarcusAu]

The state imposes ‘no discussion’ restrictions, liberals slam down the Overton Window, the media runs silent, nice young girls get held for terrorism .....

...the centre cannot hold, mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,

[Brive1987]

The state imposes ‘no discussion’ restrictions, liberals slam down the Overton Window, the media runs silent, nice young girls get held for terrorism .....

...the centre cannot hold, mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,

As I’ve quoted before. A broken square is never an excuse.

My boatered school’s motto was drawn from De Rerum Natura. But we had to learn this poem by heart as well.... Good trad. agōgē that it was.

There's a breathless hush in the Close to-night—
Ten to make and the match to win—
A bumping pitch and a blinding light,
An hour to play and the last man in.
And it's not for the sake of a ribboned coat,
Or the selfish hope of a season's fame,
But his captain's hand on his shoulder smote
'Play up! play up! and play the game! '

The sand of the desert is sodden red,—
Red with the wreck of a square that broke; —
The Gatling's jammed and the Colonel dead,
And the regiment blind with dust and smoke.
The river of death has brimmed his banks,
And England's far, and Honour a name,
But the voice of a schoolboy rallies the ranks:
'Play up! play up! and play the game! '

This is the word that year by year,
While in her place the school is set,
Every one of her sons must hear,
And none that hears it dare forget.
This they all with a joyful mind
Bear through life like a torch in flame,
And falling fling to the host behind—
'Play up! play up! and play the game!

[MarcusAu]

I'm partial to 'How McDougall topped the Score' and 'The Ballard of Ned Kelly' myself.

[free thoughtpolice]

I hate poetry:

[jugheadnaut]

My youngest brother works for Google, he assures me that despite the media attention for the crazies, it's a relatively sane place to work. He leans more conservative than I do by far, and has survived there for quite a while, so it can't be that bad. It looks to me like people were trying to tag on to the #MeToo movement for attention and money, trying to leverage social media for what may be simple utilitarian ends. I would guess it's another snipe hunt.

Does he talk about politics at work though? Or just bite his tongue and not say anything when other people give their opinions?

As someone in the industry, I'm fascinated with what precipitated this political shift among software developers, which managed to pass by right under my nose. Back in the '90s, software developers were stereotypically right of center libertarian and conservative. My personal experience in software development cubicle farms in the '90s was that my moderate libertarianism actually put me to the left of most software developers. I did lots of work in the late aughts as a vendor partner with both Google and Adobe. The main thing I noticed then with Google was an almost overweening niceness and professionalism with absolutely zero politics. One interesting thing was that every single technical person I worked with was male, while every single product manager was female, all the way up to Marissa Mayer, who was the executive product manager for this effort. This division may have set the stage for what we're seeing more recently. The Adobe developers I worked with seemed for the first time in my experience to be typically left wing, but far more in the "vote for Democrats" and "climate change is the biggest threat to humanity" sense than anything identity politics related. Somehow in the next five years when I was working mostly independently there was a sea change.

[MarcusAu]

I hate poetry:
<no vid>

'Get a Dog Up Ya' as they say in Australia.

Have you no appreciation for the finer things in life?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IceJt9Ch6Y

[free thoughtpolice]

I ...I...I feel so awful I was unable to get it up for that inspiring rendition. :mrgreen:

[KiwiInOz]

Is there some justification in the Koran or Hadith that non-Muslim women are fair game as sex slaves for the true believers? I've heard various statements along the lines that all Western women are whores etc.

Non-muslim anyone are pretty much fair game for anything, as far as a more literal reading of islamic scripture goes. Kuffar are basically subhuman.

That was my understanding, too.

[AndrewV69]

erm ... just came to me that I was talking about Arabs in general. Pakis I do not know that well at all. I am much more familiar with the more educated Indians, and to a much lesser degree with "village Indians".

But you must at least be familiar with how your grandfather thought of your grandmother...

Not really. They were of the stiff upper lip variety. Children must be seen not heard, pack them off to boarding school at age seven and so on. The only way to discern anything about what their relationship was to each other was the fact that they had produced offspring.

Basically, the sort of people that drive people like Ally Fogg incandescent with rage.

[AndrewV69]

Is there some justification in the Koran or Hadith that non-Muslim women are fair game as sex slaves for the true believers? I've heard various statements along the lines that all Western women are whores etc.

Non-muslim anyone are pretty much fair game for anything, as far as a more literal reading of islamic scripture goes. Kuffar are basically subhuman.

Yep. That is pretty much the attitude I hear. Does not prevent them from doing similar to less well regulated Paki girls when they get the chance either.

[Lsuoma]

My youngest brother works for Google, he assures me that despite the media attention for the crazies, it's a relatively sane place to work. He leans more conservative than I do by far, and has survived there for quite a while, so it can't be that bad. It looks to me like people were trying to tag on to the #MeToo movement for attention and money, trying to leverage social media for what may be simple utilitarian ends. I would guess it's another snipe hunt.

Does he talk about politics at work though? Or just bite his tongue and not say anything when other people give their opinions?

As someone in the industry, I'm fascinated with what precipitated this political shift among software developers, which managed to pass by right under my nose. Back in the '90s, software developers were stereotypically right of center libertarian and conservative. My personal experience in software development cubicle farms in the '90s was that my moderate libertarianism actually put me to the left of most software developers. I did lots of work in the late aughts as a vendor partner with both Google and Adobe. The main thing I noticed then with Google was an almost overweening niceness and professionalism with absolutely zero politics. One interesting thing was that every single technical person I worked with was male, while every single product manager was female, all the way up to Marissa Mayer, who was the executive product manager for this effort. This division may have set the stage for what we're seeing more recently. The Adobe developers I worked with seemed for the first time in my experience to be typically left wing, but far more in the "vote for Democrats" and "climate change is the biggest threat to humanity" sense than anything identity politics related. Somehow in the next five years when I was working mostly independently there was a sea change.

Generation Snowflake has entered the workforce.

[CommanderTuvok]

Different departments of the Guardian are getting the pitchforks out with each other, typically over an article that some considered "transphobic" ***.

*** It isn't, of course. But is fucking funny seeing the Guardian trying to navigate the impossible passage of transgenderism and feminism.

[free thoughtpolice]

Is there some justification in the Koran or Hadith that non-Muslim women are fair game as sex slaves for the true believers? I've heard various statements along the lines that all Western women are whores etc.

Non-muslim anyone are pretty much fair game for anything, as far as a more literal reading of islamic scripture goes. Kuffar are basically subhuman.

Yep. That is pretty much the attitude I hear. Does not prevent them from doing similar to less well regulated Paki girls when they get the chance either.

That was the same attitude I observed from the "village Sikhs" I encountered. They stuck to their own community mostly, but they saw an unguarded woman as fair game. When I first worked at a sawmill that employed a lot of them, there had been fight where they had a duel with some nasty lumber hooks (pickaroons). I guess one of them made a pass at one of the other's wife when he saw a vulnerable moment.
At first i didn't link that to the larger attitude in the community, but after a while there it was obvious that their view of women wan't different to the Taliban. A general attitude of seeing an "available" woman as a piece of meat that naturally attracts flies was the norm.

[AndrewV69]

Generation Snowflake has entered the workforce.

Yep. Hang on to your hats people. It is going to be a wild ride.

[Brive1987]

Captain Fluffy hits a new low in the Trump thread. When future discussions wander to ‘pit toxicity, this will be a useful waypoint.

I will hand it to him, in one sentence he accommodated one member’s group-socking while passively aggressively suggesting another is an anti Semite.

Bravo. :clap:

I'd forgotten about Brive's BFF. While I certainly don't condone socking on the pit, I do have to admit it illustrated some people's positions nicely. I have to wonder what's Brive's stance on jews. Most alt-lite seem to think they're nearly human, But not course alt is a spectrum.

[Brive1987]

Spotted in Hyde Park today.

The low building in the trees the right rear of the artwork is the Anzac War Memorial.

I think the sculpture is supposed to be intentionally ironic.

http://i.imgur.com/CIyIwI3.jpg

[Keating]

As someone in the industry, I'm fascinated with what precipitated this political shift among software developers, which managed to pass by right under my nose. Back in the '90s, software developers were stereotypically right of center libertarian and conservative. My personal experience in software development cubicle farms in the '90s was that my moderate libertarianism actually put me to the left of most software developers. I did lots of work in the late aughts as a vendor partner with both Google and Adobe. The main thing I noticed then with Google was an almost overweening niceness and professionalism with absolutely zero politics. One interesting thing was that every single technical person I worked with was male, while every single product manager was female, all the way up to Marissa Mayer, who was the executive product manager for this effort. This division may have set the stage for what we're seeing more recently. The Adobe developers I worked with seemed for the first time in my experience to be typically left wing, but far more in the "vote for Democrats" and "climate change is the biggest threat to humanity" sense than anything identity politics related. Somehow in the next five years when I was working mostly independently there was a sea change.

I’m sort of in the industry, in that I do software development, but only embedded stuff for our own hardware. I’ve also only worked for small companies.

In the naughts, we didn’t really talk about politics, but everyone was vaguely left of centre. Then I worked for a mid-sized Swiss company with UK offices.

That was an experience. The Swiss head office staff were fairly progressive, but it didn’t intrude much. The Swiss offices I visited often also could have been an ethnostate of Swiss Germans only. The UK staff were super progressive with about 40% minority staff. Some were really good, but one guy hired near the end of my time was clearly a diversity hire and they were already trying to get rid of him before the two months were out.

Back in Australia, this company is also fairly ‘diverse’, but with the exception of one that was hired many years ago during a bad time in the company’s history, the others were the best applicant at recruiting time. Politics doesn’t really come up much, but I’m certainly the most right wing person at the company. Pretty much everyone sees immigration as a massive Ponzi scheme, though.

Maybe the company size is a shield. We’re too small to carry people who don’t deliver.

[Keating]

The Killstream has been censored off YouTube. It was the only drama livestream channel I enjoyed listening to occasionally.

[Keating]

I don’t mean to imply I consider myself right wing. I’d still put myself as very libertarian. I just think that the kind of politics I favour is only possible in a fairly homogeneous cultural milieu.

[Brive1987]

The Killstream has been censored off YouTube. It was the only drama livestream channel I enjoyed listening to occasionally.

I’ve never listened to KS.

This dude though places it alongside Frau Koch. This seems inconsistent with your take.

Is this a simple misunderstanding?

[Brive1987]

I enjoy, strangely enough, a number of left leaning inputs.

Here is something of possible interest. You may be interested in how the “anti-SJW” collective (which presumably includes the ‘pit) is casually extended to either alt-right or, at best a direct pipeline to RedIce. This is a salutary warning on allowing your narrative to get away from you.

The second thing is how there is only one ant migrationary beast identified. The conspiracy train. I don’t understand whether this is a debate technique or something more fundamental.

It is easily demonstrable that massive demographic changes are occurring. For better or worse, the status quo is being replaced with a new status quo.

It is easily demonstrable that this is bi-partisan government policy, and that it closely intersects with newish philosophies of civic nationalism and multiculturalism.

http://i.imgur.com/7GXO2Nz.jpg

It is harder trying Tom weight the drivers for this policy. An honest desire for young uns and skills shortages are the weakest arguments. As Matt would argue if he hadn’t been K-man’ed. Empty GDP growth for political gain linked to global capitalist goals is a better bet. Aided and abetted by social-liberal self-hate. Jews, Soros and the shadow world government .... not so much.

Yet three arrows really can’t understand a ‘great replacement’ theory (and concerns) which don’t involve racist right-wing conspiracy. And neither can certain people here.

Anyway. Here tis.

[Keating]

The Killstream has been censored off YouTube. It was the only drama livestream channel I enjoyed listening to occasionally.

I’ve never listened to KS.

This dude though places it alongside Frau Koch. This seems inconsistent with your take.

Is this a simple misunderstanding?

Eh, it's pretty much everything he said. Kirb would definitely say it laid pipes. I like Metokur and Dick Masterson's style of humour and they're often on. I started listening on the Mundane Matt stream. That one was glorious.

[SM1957]

No end to it apparently :

Rotherham grooming gangs: National Crime Agency investigating more than 420 suspects in 'unprecedented' operation

Mr Javid said that perpetrators convicted in high-profile cases have been “disproportionately from a Pakistani background”, adding: “I have instructed my officials to explore the particular context and characteristics of these types of gangs and if the evidence suggests that there are cultural factors that may be driving this type of offending, then I will take action.”

Somehow, I suspect that the evidence will suggest that these men are victims of the patriarchy who have been inoculated into the CIS, white male rape culture.

No doubt instructions will be issued to bring in the real culprits. Soon, any white males they can lay their hands on will be brought in willy nilly (and preferably by their willy as a sort of pre-sentence punishment).

But I could be wrong. Who knows?

What this clearly shows is the incredibly low level of Islamophobia in this country?

In almost any country in the world, there would now be pogroms against any minority community which had raped thousands of children of the majority community.

There would be hundreds of homes and businesses looted and burned,

But these people felt totally safe and empowered. They had no fear of retribution , either personally or community wide.

They felt almost no fear that the authorities would come after them.

I'm pretty sure that they believed that anybody who moved against them would be arrested and jailed for racism - including police officers.

[Kirbmarc]

Yet three arrows really can’t understand a ‘great replacement’ theory (and concerns) which don’t involve racist right-wing conspiracy. And neither can certain people here.

Perhaps this is because there's no "great replacement" theory that isn't about racist right-wing ideas, either based on explicit conspiracies or just on stating that immigration, whatever its origin, is "replacement" when it's done by non-white people. Not all those who believe in the "replacement" theory think that it's the fault of the Eeevil Jewwz, or of some shady globalist cabal, but they all agree that non-white people moving to "white" countries are "replacing" the "white natives". That's what the "replacement" is about.

Thee idea of "replacement" is that simply by existing in a country non-white people will gradually demographically eliminate white people and take their place, and that's the "end of the west", and it must be prevented by shutting down immigration, and getting immigrants to move back.

The focus might not always be EXPLICITLY racial, but basically no one in the "alt-right" or "alt-lite" complains about Polish plumbers "replacing" British ones, or about Italian immigrants to Germany "replacing" native Germans, even though Italians ARE moving to Germany much more than a few years ago. You also didn't complain about Irish or Italian or Greek immigrants to Australia "replacing" the Anglos. Curious, that.

And sure as hell nobody in the "replacement" camp is about to ask people of European descent to leave the US, or Canada, or Australia, or New Zealand, because they "replaced" the natives. Even though in those cases persecution, forced movements of people, deprivation of rights, restriction into reservations, and massacres DID happen.

[Brive1987]

AN ENGLISH bulldog has been euthanased after biting off his Scottish owner’s testicles, which had been coated in peanut butter.
The 22-year-old man, who has not been named, was found fully clothed and lying in a pool of blood in his Haddington, East Lothian, apartment. He was rushed to hospital where he was put in an induced coma for several days.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real- ... 27b71593b8

[AndrewV69]

@Phil_Giordana_FCD

Hey Phil,

I need a little help here. Do you own a Laguiole pocket knife? If so was it from Thiers or in that area?

For some reason they caught my eye and I have been looking at them on and off for a few days now.

I decided that this was more than I wanted to spend (CDN$ 866.12 ) thuja burl handle, damascus blade, spring and plates fileworked direct from France
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com ... L1000_.jpg

But that this was in my price range at (CDN$ 128.31) Black Horn Handle and Brass Bolsters
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com ... L1000_.jpg

Although I am also considering this one which is close in price (CDN$ 130.20) Ebony Wood handle and two stainless steel bolsters
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com ... L1000_.jpg

Or, am I being too extragavant and this will do just as well (CDN$ 29.95) Laguiole exotic wood handle
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com ... bZ7fiL.jpg

I really do not want to wind up with a "tourist trap" knife which is why I am shying away from ones priced in that range and others like this one (CDN$ 73.61)have the filigree exposed Filigree vine relief spine hardwood handle
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com ... L1200_.jpg

Any thoughts?

[Brive1987]

Yet three arrows really can’t understand a ‘great replacement’ theory (and concerns) which don’t involve racist right-wing conspiracy. And neither can certain people here.

Perhaps this is because there's no "great replacement" theory that isn't about racist right-wing ideas, either based on explicit conspiracies or just on stating that immigration, whatever its origin, is "replacement" when it's done by non-white people. Not all those who believe in the "replacement" theory think that it's the fault of the Eeevil Jewwz, or of some shady globalist cabal, but they all agree that non-white people moving to "white" countries are "replacing" the "white natives". That's what the "replacement" is about.

Thee idea of "replacement" is that simply by existing in a country non-white people will gradually demographically eliminate white people and take their place, and that's the "end of the west", and it must be prevented by shutting down immigration, and getting immigrants to move back.

The focus might not always be EXPLICITLY racial, but basically no one in the "alt-right" or "alt-lite" complains about Polish plumbers "replacing" British ones, or about Italian immigrants to Germany "replacing" native Germans, even though Italians ARE moving to Germany much more than a few years ago. You also didn't complain about Irish or Italian or Greek immigrants to Australia "replacing" the Anglos. Curious, that.

And sure as hell nobody in the "replacement" camp is about to ask people of European descent to leave the US, or Canada, or Australia, or New Zealand, because they "replaced" the natives. Even though in those cases persecution, forced movements of people, deprivation of rights, restriction into reservations, and massacres DID happen.

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Not really my point Kirb. Conspiracy is at the heart of left wing criticism of replacement theories. And often they are right. But they ignore the reality of non reptilian concerns.

Your you can’t replace something that doesn’t exist, but if you do it’s racism line is fairy thought. The concept of culture is lost on you. No doubt you see no difference in kind between strong (and weaker) European cultural alignment and the ‘alignment’ we have with Asia. Meh.

As an aside, I’ve demonstrated to you in the past that the scale of Italian and Greek migration to Australia is dwarfed by that of current Chinese and Indian inflows.

[Hunt]

I hate poetry:

That's not poetry.

[AndrewV69]

I suppose I should mention that I have already ordered a couple of "liner lock Hipster" knives from Claude Dozorme as presents.

They were for young people though. I want a more "traditional" one for myself. One hand crafted with the bee, filigree, shepherd's cross & made out of traditional material.

Although, I have no plans to do anything more strenuous than cutting paper or string with mine.

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[Brive1987]

Nice one.

AS MANY as 15 youths wearing knuckledusters unleashed a cowardly attack on a chef at a St Kilda restaurant after he refused to hand over a cigarette. Daniel Maetzing, 24, was smoking outside the popular Melbourne establishment Donovans, near Luna Park, on Thursday night when he was approached.

The youths, perceived :doh: to be of African appearance, kicked his phone out of his hand and then set upon him.

“I was punched at least 50 times and I just kept telling myself ‘Stay on your feet or you are done for’,” he told the Herald Sun. “They don’t value other people’s lives.” [thats racist as fuck]

Mr Maetzing was left with bruises and cuts on his face and had to be rescued by colleagues, who were initially trapped inside the restaurant by the youths and not able to leave.

Seriously. What the fuck.

[Phil_Giordana_FCD]

Lots of Laguiole gear is manufactured in China these days, and is of very crappy quality. If you want the good stuff, you have to pay the price.

[ThreeFlangedJavis]

I enjoy, strangely enough, a number of left leaning inputs.

Here is something of possible interest. You may be interested in how the “anti-SJW” collective (which presumably includes the ‘pit) is casually extended to either alt-right or, at best a direct pipeline to RedIce. This is a salutary warning on allowing your narrative to get away from you.

The second thing is how there is only one ant migrationary beast identified. The conspiracy train. I don’t understand whether this is a debate technique or something more fundamental.

It is easily demonstrable that massive demographic changes are occurring. For better or worse, the status quo is being replaced with a new status quo.

It is easily demonstrable that this is bi-partisan government policy, and that it closely intersects with newish philosophies of civic nationalism and multiculturalism.

http://i.imgur.com/7GXO2Nz.jpg

It is harder trying Tom weight the drivers for this policy. An honest desire for young uns and skills shortages are the weakest arguments. As Matt would argue if he hadn’t been K-man’ed. Empty GDP growth for political gain linked to global capitalist goals is a better bet. Aided and abetted by social-liberal self-hate. Jews, Soros and the shadow world government .... not so much.

Yet three arrows really can’t understand a ‘great replacement’ theory (and concerns) which don’t involve racist right-wing conspiracy. And neither can certain people here.

Anyway. Here tis.

Metokur territory is not to be approached lightly. Encroachment can result in a serious fan boy infection. One needs to possess exactly the right blend of nihilistic detachment and obsession with proving everyone else wrong. This is made trickier by context-dependent shifts in the formulation. Infringements will likely result in those who are above it all and don't care at all stalking you around the internet to show exactly how much they don't care..

[ThreeFlangedJavis]

Eh, it's pretty much everything he said. Kirb would definitely say it laid pipes. I like Metokur and Dick Masterson's style of humour and they're often on. I started listening on the Mundane Matt stream. That one was glorious.

Metokur territory is not to be approached lightly. Encroachment can result in a serious fan boy infection. One needs to possess exactly the right blend of nihilistic detachment and obsession with proving everyone else wrong. This is made trickier by context-dependent shifts in the formulation. Infringements will likely result in those who are above it all and don't care at all stalking you around the internet to show exactly how much they don't care..

[ThreeFlangedJavis]

Borked reply 2 above. Shoulda been to Keating's post, not Brive's.

[screwtape]

“Muslim girls are good and pure because they dress modestly, covering down to their ankles and wrists, and covering their crotch area. They stay virgins until marriage. They are our girls.

"White girls and non-Muslim girls are bad because you dress like slags. You show the curves of your bodies (showing the gap between your thighs means you’re asking for it) and therefore you’re immoral. White girls sleep with hundreds of men. You are the other girls. You are worthless and you deserve to be gang-raped.”

In the early seventies in the UK, this poem was handed around from the samizdat of the office photocopiers. I remembered the first line and found it easily with DuckDuckGo:

Me come to England, poor and broke,
Go down dole, see labour bloke,
Fill in form, Stand around,
Kind man gives me plenty pound.
Me thank him very much, Then he Say
"You come next week, Get more pay."
Me writes a letter to Pakistan,
Tell all my friends come quick as can.
All is nicely settled down
Nice big house in Bradford town.
Twenty families living up,
Twice as many living down.
More in garden in a tent,
Social Service pay the rent,
Six months later, Big bank roll,
Go down labour, draw more Dole.
Wife wants glasses, teeth and pills,
All is free, Get no bills.
Me think England is damned fine place,
Much too nice for white man race.
But God Bless White man, Big and Small,
he pays tax to keep us all.
If you don't like coloured man,
There's Plenty Room in Pakistan.

There was a version with a line about "good dog meat to fill my tummy" that stuck in my mind. There are probably post-Rotherham versions going around these days with suitable lines about the kuffar girls and the best way to treat them.

This will end in tears.

[Kirbmarc]

Your you can’t replace something that doesn’t exist, but if you do it’s racism line is fairy thought. The concept of culture is lost on you. No doubt you see no difference in kind between strong (and weaker) European cultural alignment and the ‘alignment’ we have with Asia. Meh.

Cultures change with time, they get elements from other cultures, mix together, inherit things, expand on others. British culture mixed Celtic, Germanic, Roman, Viking, French elements far before the "multiculturalism" brouhaha. And it changed from justifying the death penalty/exile to Australia for stealing handkerchiefs/loaves of bread to seeing even the death penalty from murder as abhorrent. All in a couple of centuries, give or take.

British colonies in America also went from hanging people on suspicion of being witches to defending innocent until proven guilty.

It's not "you can't replace something that doesn't exist, but if you do it's racism", it's "things change, no matter how hard you want to preserve the past, so you might as well try to change them for the better, according to what is proven to work". Immigration doesn't happen in a political, economic and social vacuum. It's not some sort of magic Woke fantasy fairy tale, but it's not an "invasion" either. There have been many invasions in history, and they haven't exactly played out the way immigration does now.

HOW things happen is as important, or often more, than just "change is happening". Peaceful movement of people across borders might have its many problems that need to be addressed, but it's not the same as, say, someone forcing you out of your home practically at gun point, or killing you, or treating you as a second-class citizen.

Also how close two cultures are depends on lots of historic factors. India, for example, was heavily influenced by British culture due to the Raj, in a way that Greece or Italy very likely weren't. A mixture of Chinese and British culture produced Hong Kong, and they're doing fine.

Immigration isn't, by itself, a net good or a net bad. It depends on many factors: economic, sociological, environmental, etc. Drafting a rational immigration policy isn't easy and should be a subject of debate in rational terms.

Cultural clashes, differences in values surely matter, and lead to issues that need addressing, and not in the way the SocJus does, by simply blaming the "White Patriarchy" and refusing to hold non-white communities accountable when they are. But the solution cannot just be closing off the border and throwing out all those who don't fit "culturally" within a specific mold, no matter their behavior or their legal record, no matter their jobs, families, etc.

Basically what I find worrying about the "replacement" narrative is that:

a) it's apocalyptic, being based on the idea of a "Twilight of the West", or a "loss of culture" (instead of a more realistic transformation of culture) and so it motivates paranoid fears that lead to people electing populist leaders who have no rational solution to the problem except promising unrealistic policies

b) it ignores or heavily downplays cultural assimilation, implying that immigrants and their children are "incompatible" with the host culture, often in an arbitrary fashion (like when muslims from the Balkans are believed to be easier to assimilate than muslims from Lebanon, because reasons)

c) it ignores or misunderstands the reasons as to why immigration occurs, leading people to wrongly believe that it depends entirely on the political choices of the host country rather than on sociological and economic elements.

This leaves aside all the "reptilian concerns" about Evil Conspiracies.

[Driftless]

Eh, it's pretty much everything he said. Kirb would definitely say it laid pipes. I like Metokur and Dick Masterson's style of humour and they're often on. I started listening on the Mundane Matt stream. That one was glorious.

Metokur territory is not to be approached lightly. Encroachment can result in a serious fan boy infection. One needs to possess exactly the right blend of nihilistic detachment and obsession with proving everyone else wrong. This is made trickier by context-dependent shifts in the formulation. Infringements will likely result in those who are above it all and don't care at all stalking you around the internet to show exactly how much they don't care..

I started listening to him when he was Internet Aristocrat. You have to understand that his method is to take nothing seriously. It seems to upset some people, but I find it fun in small doses. His videos are actually well put together. He actually tells a story instead of just rambling. The Mundane Matt stream made me feel sorry for Mundane Matt while at the same time feeling that he was a douche.

[shoutinghorse]

Those little walls of text are getting bigger and bigger by the post ... Brive, you've unleashed the beast again haven't you. :?

[Kirbmarc]

Those little walls of text are getting bigger and bigger by the post ... Brive, you've unleashed the beast again haven't you. :?

Not everything can be argued in 280 characters or less.

[A 60,000 words essay about why long arguments are sometimes necessary will be uploaded shortly]

[shoutinghorse]

#BelieveWomen

[John D]

I hate poetry:

It is probably not poetry you hate.... it is probably that you hate bad poetry.

Most "art" presented in the last few decades have been completely self-possessed. It has no higher meaning except as a kind of shrill self-pitying sobbing. Most modern art is shit.... most modern poetry is shit.... most modern popular songs are shit. Yes.... I am that grumpy old man.

Certainly, there are gems out there but they are hard to come by.

This is a good one....

[John D]

#BelieveWomen

But the left will tell us "Why would she lie?.... she has nothing to gain by lying!" Haha.

[John D]

Haha... youall probably heard this already... but.... I have trouble wrapping my head around it. Ben and Jerry's has actually given money to Jew hating Sharia loving Linda Sarsour.... and I'm like.... WTF! Has everyone lost their minds!?

[SM1957]

Haha... youall probably heard this already... but.... I have trouble wrapping my head around it. Ben and Jerry's has actually given money to Jew hating Sharia loving Linda Sarsour.... and I'm like.... WTF! Has everyone lost their minds!?

Linda Sarsour praises a Saudi regime which dissolves its enemies in acid....

[MarcusAu]

A picture (even by way of a tweet) is worth a thousand of those other things...

[MarcusAu]

I think Metokur and his sweetie squad have given birth to (or popularised) a particular style of Internet humour...

To whit(e)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN4z145YIns

[SM1957]

Multiculturalism reaches Sheffield where Pakistanis threaten to call in their cousins to start massive riots unless immigrants stop moving into their area


www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/03 ... ommunities

[free thoughtpolice]

John D wrote:

This is a good one....

Better, but needs more mammal noshers.

[free thoughtpolice]

Those little walls of text are getting bigger and bigger by the post ... Brive, you've unleashed the beast again haven't you. :?

Not everything can be argued in 280 characters or less.

[A 60,000 words essay about why long arguments are sometimes necessary will be uploaded shortly]

What you need to do is make it short but turgid. It will make people think you are really smart, or if not you can just insult their intelligence and call them toxic.