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SM1957 wrote: Well, their defense team has obviously seen this file and you haven't, so I think I'll go with them.
Have they? Why would they? Are they suing the prison system?

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Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:08 am
Also, this is the theory. Tommy Robinson is a major threat to society, not an irritating flea, and the government want him dead. They are doing this by sending him to prison where a Muslim will do the deed for them. This will put an end to community tensions.

And to do this a whole string of civil servants are breaking the law because there no way that if Robinson dies nobody is going to look at the paper trail, electronic or otherwise.
Tommy claims in his book that there were attempts on his life in previous times he has been in prison, so it is in line with what he claims already happened. I have his book in front of me, here's an extract:
page 292 wrote: BEING A WEEKEND, those two officers took me to Kempston Police HQ and kept me in a cell there until on Monday when they came to take me to Bedford. I said to them, 'You know what's going to happen. What are you doing this?' They couldn't look me in the eye.
I could see it al as it would go down. They were going to put me in the middle of a war zone, it would all kick off - which was what they wanted - and I'd end up on another charge. A total fit up. Back to jail for the duration of my sentence. No more licence, nine more long months inside.
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When I got to Bedford I recognised the main screw on reception - I knew his brother from knocking about years before. He said he was going to help me as much as he could. He knew that I was going to get badly hurt in there.
There were lads, blokes that I knew in Bedford nick, who if I was going to have to do time, I needed to be close to. This screw said there were a few lads on B Wing who would cover my back. He was actually checking out the percentage of Muslims on the wings and what tariff they were doing, because if someone is doing six months they're not going to want to kill you. If they are doing 15 or 20 years they'll reason that they have nothing to lose. I would be fair game.
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I would happily sit down the block in solitary confinement for 28 days, but they were insisting on putting me in general population among half the blokes in the country wanting to see me dead. I told the screw he was wasting his time because there was nowhere really safe for me in that building. The prison offered to put me on the numbers with the pervs, but I still wasn't having that. I had't sunk that low.
I asked to go on B Wing where at least I would know some lads, and my request ended up being sent upstairs to the governor. I asked for a pen and paper and wrote a long note to him, explaining I was on 28 day recall. I named all of the different local Muslim gangs, explained they all knew me and that every one of them wanted to kill me, that there was money on my head. I laid out all of the Osman warnings I'd had, and detailed how I'd been violently attacked in nearly every prison I'd been in.
I went on about the duty of care the prison had to me, and that I didn't want to be in a position of confrontation where I had to defend myself. I don't know what more I could have done to spell the situation out.
So what happened? The governor turned around and declared that I was being sent to A Wing. We'd just checked the system and guess where the most radical and violent Muslims were? Correct, you've won a star price - A wing! The screw on reception apologised and said it had come from upstairs, there was nothing he could do. I asked him if he knew what was going to happen. I told him I wanted a signature to show that the governor had seen my note.
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I listend to what was coming from the other cells and they were all shouting. 'He's there, we're going to do him!' I heard someone apparently from Sierra Leone shouting, 'I'm going to chop his head off, he's going to get shanked.'

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comhcinc wrote:
SM1957 wrote: Well, their defense team has obviously seen this file and you haven't, so I think I'll go with them.
Have they? Why would they? Are they suing the prison system?
It's also likely that a qualified legal team might know that a High Risk prisoner is someone convicted of serious, violent, often sexual offences, who present a danger to others: i.e. a Category A prisoner.

What they presumable mean is a vulnerable prisoner.

You'd think people practicing the law would know the difference.

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Keating wrote:
Shatterface wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 4:08 am
Also, this is the theory. Tommy Robinson is a major threat to society, not an irritating flea, and the government want him dead. They are doing this by sending him to prison where a Muslim will do the deed for them. This will put an end to community tensions.

And to do this a whole string of civil servants are breaking the law because there no way that if Robinson dies nobody is going to look at the paper trail, electronic or otherwise.
Tommy claims in his book that there were attempts on his life in previous times he has been in prison, so it is in line with what he claims already happened. I have his book in front of me, here's an extract:
page 292 wrote: BEING A WEEKEND, those two officers took me to Kempston Police HQ and kept me in a cell there until on Monday when they came to take me to Bedford. I said to them, 'You know what's going to happen. What are you doing this?' They couldn't look me in the eye.
I could see it al as it would go down. They were going to put me in the middle of a war zone, it would all kick off - which was what they wanted - and I'd end up on another charge. A total fit up. Back to jail for the duration of my sentence. No more licence, nine more long months inside.
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When I got to Bedford I recognised the main screw on reception - I knew his brother from knocking about years before. He said he was going to help me as much as he could. He knew that I was going to get badly hurt in there.
There were lads, blokes that I knew in Bedford nick, who if I was going to have to do time, I needed to be close to. This screw said there were a few lads on B Wing who would cover my back. He was actually checking out the percentage of Muslims on the wings and what tariff they were doing, because if someone is doing six months they're not going to want to kill you. If they are doing 15 or 20 years they'll reason that they have nothing to lose. I would be fair game.
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I would happily sit down the block in solitary confinement for 28 days, but they were insisting on putting me in general population among half the blokes in the country wanting to see me dead. I told the screw he was wasting his time because there was nowhere really safe for me in that building. The prison offered to put me on the numbers with the pervs, but I still wasn't having that. I had't sunk that low.
I asked to go on B Wing where at least I would know some lads, and my request ended up being sent upstairs to the governor. I asked for a pen and paper and wrote a long note to him, explaining I was on 28 day recall. I named all of the different local Muslim gangs, explained they all knew me and that every one of them wanted to kill me, that there was money on my head. I laid out all of the Osman warnings I'd had, and detailed how I'd been violently attacked in nearly every prison I'd been in.
I went on about the duty of care the prison had to me, and that I didn't want to be in a position of confrontation where I had to defend myself. I don't know what more I could have done to spell the situation out.
So what happened? The governor turned around and declared that I was being sent to A Wing. We'd just checked the system and guess where the most radical and violent Muslims were? Correct, you've won a star price - A wing! The screw on reception apologised and said it had come from upstairs, there was nothing he could do. I asked him if he knew what was going to happen. I told him I wanted a signature to show that the governor had seen my note.
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I listend to what was coming from the other cells and they were all shouting. 'He's there, we're going to do him!' I heard someone apparently from Sierra Leone shouting, 'I'm going to chop his head off, he's going to get shanked.'
Even if we take what Robinson says as true, it only tells us that he's chummy with the screws and that the governor turned down a request.

If the government wanted to silence Robinson - which they don't, because he's little more than a tick - they'd just plant child porn on his hard drive. One computer nerd and job done.

But instead they involve hundreds of civil servants in a conspiracy to murder him in a way that would vindicate everything he said.

Fucking genius.

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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: I apologize for imposing on the docs here, but I am a bit frightened. My wife has been admitted to the hospital for chest pain, nausea and an abnormal EKG. I have some medical training, but only made it as far as EMT II, with some odd bits acquired along the way. I know the worst-case scenario, but what's the best? Good questions to ask the cardiologist? Any words of wisdom would be appreciated. She is my everything.
It's perfectly normal to be frightened.

Hopefully Screwtape or other knowledgeable people might know, but you probably have a clearer picture by now. I hope it is good news.

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SJWs are ever creative in upping the ante. The new trend is now criminalize, or at least "problematicize" any form of sexual relation between people in a power differential. E.g. the Clinton/Lewinsky affair is being revisited by MeToo (and Lewinsky herself, who obviously smells cash). Now it is claimed that the inherent "power differential" itself makes any kind of relationship intrinsically exploitative. Before mutual consent was the means by which sanctioned sexual affairs were traded; now, ever ready to make decisions for people, SJWs have proscribed any but peer to peer professional power relationships. So far it's professional. So far. But does anyone think they'll stop there? Tomorrow it's going to be any relationship in society whatsoever. You better believe it. There will be no more marrying up or down. There will be no more asymmetrical relationships! We will live in a sexually stratified class society.

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Shatterface wrote:
comhcinc wrote:
SM1957 wrote: Well, their defense team has obviously seen this file and you haven't, so I think I'll go with them.
Have they? Why would they? Are they suing the prison system?
It's also likely that a qualified legal team might know that a High Risk prisoner is someone convicted of serious, violent, often sexual offences, who present a danger to others: i.e. a Category A prisoner.

What they presumable mean is a vulnerable prisoner.

You'd think people practicing the law would know the difference.
Sure there is that. And I am not saying that his defense team has not seen his file, I don't know.

What I do know is how it works in America and that file would just not be available just cause. There would need to be a court case and those records would need to be subpenaed.

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One more point and I'll end my rant. For years feminists have denied the evo-pych babble about women being attracted to powerful men, but now powerful men allegedly have some kind of mesmeric and unfair power over vulnerable women, to the point where any powerful man/underling women relationship signals exploitative undertones. Well, you really can't have it both ways.

And, of course, there's the libertarian view that socially disadvantaged women who want to trade their looks for advantage should be allowed to do it. Men too, of course. That's always going to be a counterargument SJW don't like.

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Shatterface wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
https://i.imgur.com/6yVIeep.png

I have their measure :lol: :bjarte:

In reality the Pit extends across the spectrum, which is why it’s a special environment.
I very much doubt Sam Harris is ten times closer to Tommy Robinson than to Kirbmarc.
I am reliably informed that Sam Harris supports torture and nuclear war against muslims.

And worse of all, paying them special attention when inspecting for potential jihadists. What the fuck. The man is far worse that Tommy anti Islamist Robinson

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One more point and I'll end my rant. For years feminists have denied the evo-pych babble about women being attracted to powerful men, but now powerful men allegedly have some kind of mesmeric and unfair power over vulnerable women, to the point where any powerful man/underling women relationship signals exploitative undertones. Well, you really can't have it both ways.
Most SJWs are college-educated women. The pool of college-educated men is shrinking, so they want to make sure those college-educated men don't marry down and leave them out.

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Miracles happen.


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Many blame the attacks on years of austerity that has seen police numbers reduced and welfare budgets cut. London Mayor Sadiq Khan this week met with Home Secretary Sajid Javid to discuss the crisis as public concern grows.
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Fuck me.
It’s not rocket science. You can’t cut thousands of police officers and close services without it having an impact on crime … this is now a national emergency,” Mr Khan said.
More welfare please for the non “white British”. I guess racism is to blame for the violence.

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katamari Damassi wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:37 pm
I also feel the same way when they refer to Trump as Drumpf.
It doesn't show you're clever and hip, just unoriginal and kind of dumb.
During the election, I asked someone who kept saying 'Drumpf', "just how many votes do you think calling him that will cost him?" Blank, confused stare.

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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:
katamari Damassi wrote:
Shatterface wrote: Also the pole used for the US flag on the Moon was made from the shaft of the Spear of Destiny (the one they jabbed Jesus with when he was on the cross).
Thanks for using the word "Jesus" and not "Jeebus." It seems to be de rigueur on atheist blogs now, and it makes me cringe. Smug internet atheists are using a merely chuckle worthy throw away gag from The Simpsons as though it were a debate kill shot.
I also feel the same way when they refer to Trump as Drumpf.
It doesn't show you're clever and hip, just unoriginal and kind of dumb.
Yup. Kinda like ragging on Brive1987 (see the ethnostate thread).
He is of course welcome to defend himself. Others could defend him as well. In fact, the ragging only started when he was repeatedly, by many people, asked to move his obsession and he declined to do so.
Well, that is all irrelevant. You're still Drumpfing him.

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Shatterface wrote: Also, this is the theory. Tommy Robinson is a major threat to society, not an irritating flea, and the government want him dead. They are doing this by sending him to prison where a Muslim will do the deed for them. This will put an end to community tensions.

And to do this a whole string of civil servants are breaking the law because there no way that if Robinson dies nobody is going to look at the paper trail, electronic or otherwise.
Of course. What other reason might there be for this egregious mistreatment of our fine prince of men?

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Brive1987 wrote: Miracles happen.


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By which I mean, that whatever you say about why you do it, you are Drumpfing him anyway. The "still" was not meant to imply continuity, it was meant as a synonym for "nevertheless".

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screwtape wrote: women's hearts don't always play by the rules.
Learned that one the hard way.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
screwtape wrote: women's hearts don't always play by the rules.
Learned that one the hard way.
They have a heart? :o

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Guest_3bc53337 wrote: Most SJWs are college-educated women. The pool of college-educated men is shrinking, so they want to make sure those college-educated men don't marry down and leave them out.
I have two college degrees, so I could take on two college-educated women, to help out with the shortage.

Heck, I attended seven different colleges! I could be like a Broadway play -- nightly performances, plus a Saturday matinee, dark on Sundays.

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comhcinc wrote: Sure there is that. And I am not saying that his defense team has not seen his file, I don't know.

What I do know is how it works in America and that file would just not be available just cause. There would need to be a court case and those records would need to be subpenaed.
Britain is bureaucratic and secretive by nature. There's a record of everything, somewhere, but you generally need permission to access it.

Even though my work mainly involves admin and IT these days I'm still involved in case conferences and risk management and I'd get to see reports on ex-offenders who pose a risk to people I work with.

On the other hand I couldn't just look at records on a whim. I'd need permission from people who'd also need permission, and there'd always be a trail of who'd seen what and when. I couldn't make copies and the moment that ex-offender moved on any paper records would be passed on too.

It's very much 'need to know'.

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I'm not the brightest guy, but is Meyers here re-tweeting a "Dear Muslima" tweet?

Perhaps SJW humor is just too cerebral for me to understand.

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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote: I'm not the brightest guy, but is Meyers here re-tweeting a "Dear Muslima" tweet?

Perhaps SJW humor is just too cerebral for me to understand.

https://i.imgur.com/M06WqiZ.png
I think he's just going senile.

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The prototypical attitude of the academic class. They see themselves as the intellectual leaders of the proletariat. Seething resentment of capitalism and wealth is never far from the surface.

Also LOL at spelling errors.
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Shatterface wrote:
comhcinc wrote: Sure there is that. And I am not saying that his defense team has not seen his file, I don't know.

What I do know is how it works in America and that file would just not be available just cause. There would need to be a court case and those records would need to be subpenaed.
Britain is bureaucratic and secretive by nature. There's a record of everything, somewhere, but you generally need permission to access it.

Even though my work mainly involves admin and IT these days I'm still involved in case conferences and risk management and I'd get to see reports on ex-offenders who pose a risk to people I work with.

On the other hand I couldn't just look at records on a whim. I'd need permission from people who'd also need permission, and there'd always be a trail of who'd seen what and when. I couldn't make copies and the moment that ex-offender moved on any paper records would be passed on too.

It's very much 'need to know'.
Thanks for that. So yeah I have to ask again. How is Tommy's defense team getting access to his current prison records?

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Sulman wrote: The prototypical attitude of the academic class. They see themselves as the intellectual leaders of the proletariat. Seething resentment of capitalism and wealth is never far from the surface.

Also LOL at spelling errors.
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Brive1987 wrote:
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I have their measure :lol: :bjarte:

In reality the Pit extends across the spectrum, which is why it’s a special environment.
The median Pitter is well to the left of Sam Harris?

Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

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I'm not even sure what those axes are since it has collectives at either end.


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I wonder if he will only be giving a green mat and have to deal with a lot of Muslims?

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Harvard does not like Asians. They would admit more, but they just don't like them. Harvard rates Asians low on 'likeability'

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/15/us/h ... cants.html

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BFI criticised for naming trans activist Munroe Bergdorf as speaker at women's summit

Institute says it appointed Bergdorf to ‘further the gender debate and encourage audiences to recognise the value of difference’


The British Film Institute has come under attack for its decision to appoint the trans model and activist Munroe Bergdorf (who identifies as a woman) as the keynote speaker of its Woman with a Movie Camera summit, which is due to take place on 16 June.

An open letter posted on the website ipetitions says Bergdorf’s role is “an an insult to all the women film-makers who struggle on a daily basis to get their films made”. Referring to Bergdorf throughout as male, the letter says: “We question the suitability of a male who has benefitted from the very structures we are critiquing as a speaker on the subject of women’s agency in relation to film-making … What kind of cultural work is being performed when a male is speaking on behalf of women film-makers?”

“This speaker is upstaging the very urgency of women’s voices with another ‘what about men?’ narrative. As much as we support the rights of gender non-conforming males to be heard, this is not the forum for it''

The letter is authored by the film-maker and writer Julian Vigo and the film-maker Deirdre O’Neill. In a further statement to the Guardian, Vigo said: “The BFI conference allocated a space that should have been taken up by a woman film-maker to a man and so it seems our voices continue to be denied.”

The summit is described by the BFI as “a day of talks and events on women, power and film”. It includes events such as Before and After Time’s Up and RIP #strongfemalecharacter.

In a statement, the BFI said: “For our keynote speaker we expressly wanted a voice outside of film-making that could widen the lens. We invited Munroe because she represents a contemporary and interesting perspective on the subjects of the day.

“We appreciate that Munroe’s involvement has provoked a strong and mixed reaction and we hope it will help further the gender debate in a positive and constructive way and encourage audiences to recognise and acknowledge the quality and value of difference, which we believe is a benefit to our industry and to our wider society.”

Bergdorf was fired by L’Oréal in 2017 after posting racially charged comments on Facebook, and was subsequently appointed to Labour’s advisory board on LGBT rights. She quit that role in March after attacks in the tabloid press and by Conservatives.

Bergdorf’s lack of experience as a film-maker has also come in for criticism: though she was involved in making Channel 4’s recent documentary What Makes a Woman, Bergdorf has no directing or producer credits.
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Shatterface wrote: Munroe Bergdorf
Never heard of this person. Hey google let's do a search.

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Looks like a chic to me. So no need for that male business. Rest of the things stated seem legit.

This isn't a sporting event where body structure matters so I just can't find cause to get upset about it.

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Apart from going an all-boys school, getting sacked from modelling for being a racist, then sacked from her position as LGBT advisor to Labour for being a homophobe, and never actually making a film, I can't imagine what the objection to Bergdorf can be. I'm sure she has lots of advice for other women looking to break into the film industry.

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Shatterface wrote: Apart from going an all-boys school, getting sacked from modelling for being a racist, then sacked from her position as LGBT advisor to Labour for being a homophobe, and never actually making a film, I can't imagine what the objection to Bergdorf can be. I'm sure she has lots of advice for other women looking to break into the film industry.
She must be giving the right people blowjobs or something. She's a nobody and a complete train wreck.

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John D wrote:
Shatterface wrote: Apart from going an all-boys school, getting sacked from modelling for being a racist, then sacked from her position as LGBT advisor to Labour for being a homophobe, and never actually making a film, I can't imagine what the objection to Bergdorf can be. I'm sure she has lots of advice for other women looking to break into the film industry.
She must be giving the right people blowjobs or something. She's a nobody and a complete train wreck.
Oh come on - she's at least as talented as Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian.

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Shatterface wrote: Apart from going an all-boys school, getting sacked from modelling for being a racist, then sacked from her position as LGBT advisor to Labour for being a homophobe, and never actually making a film, I can't imagine what the objection to Bergdorf can be. I'm sure she has lots of advice for other women looking to break into the film industry.
Like I said. I can see those all as being valid points (I don't "agree" with them cause this shit has zero to do with me)

Where the authors of the letter lose me and I am sure plenty of other people is
Referring to Bergdorf throughout as male, the letter says: “We question the suitability of a male who has benefitted from the very structures we are critiquing as a speaker on the subject of women’s agency in relation to film-making … What kind of cultural work is being performed when a male is speaking on behalf of women film-makers?”
I looked and didn't see any pictures of Bergdorf looking like a hairy-chested balding fat dude. Drop her into any social scene and the straight cishet boys will be trying to get her pants. Attacking Bergdorf for being male is stupid. Especially when you got all this other stuff to complain about.

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It's not about what she looks like. If Bergdorf DID look like a man how would that make her LESS suitable to talk about the experiences of women in the film industry?

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MarcusAu wrote:
John D wrote:
Shatterface wrote: Apart from going an all-boys school, getting sacked from modelling for being a racist, then sacked from her position as LGBT advisor to Labour for being a homophobe, and never actually making a film, I can't imagine what the objection to Bergdorf can be. I'm sure she has lots of advice for other women looking to break into the film industry.
She must be giving the right people blowjobs or something. She's a nobody and a complete train wreck.
Oh come on - she's at least as talented as Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian.
:lol:

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Bergdorf got the gig for the same reason she got the modelling job with L'Oriel and the LGBT gig with Labour. It's that she's trans and trans is trendy. It's not because she's particularly attractive by the standards of the modelling industry or because she's in any way competent to speak on behalf of lesbians and gays she has shown previous contempt for.

And it's not because she's made a single film. She was the subject of a TV documentary but that doesn't mean she's a film maker any more than the squid in Blue Planet II

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comhcinc wrote:
Shatterface wrote: Apart from going an all-boys school, getting sacked from modelling for being a racist, then sacked from her position as LGBT advisor to Labour for being a homophobe, and never actually making a film, I can't imagine what the objection to Bergdorf can be. I'm sure she has lots of advice for other women looking to break into the film industry.
Like I said. I can see those all as being valid points (I don't "agree" with them cause this shit has zero to do with me)

Where the authors of the letter lose me and I am sure plenty of other people is
Referring to Bergdorf throughout as male, the letter says: “We question the suitability of a male who has benefitted from the very structures we are critiquing as a speaker on the subject of women’s agency in relation to film-making … What kind of cultural work is being performed when a male is speaking on behalf of women film-makers?”
Yea - kind of has the flavour of "shut up and listen", as if to say that a man - or even a transwoman - couldn't possibly have something relevant to say about women.

Though there does seem to be a few good reasons for thinking Bergdorf is still unsuitable for that position:
Transgender model Munroe Bergdorf quits as Labour adviser amid racism row
comhcinc wrote: I looked and didn't see any pictures of Bergdorf looking like a hairy-chested balding fat dude. Drop her into any social scene and the straight cishet boys will be trying to get [into] her his pants. Attacking Bergdorf for being male is stupid. Especially when you got all this other stuff to complain about.
FTFY ...

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Shatterface wrote: Bergdorf got the gig for the same reason she got the modelling job with L'Oriel and the LGBT gig with Labour. It's that she's trans and trans is trendy. It's not because she's particularly attractive by the standards of the modelling industry or because she's in any way competent to speak on behalf of lesbians and gays she has shown previous contempt for.

And it's not because she's made a single film. She was the subject of a TV documentary but that doesn't mean she's a film maker any more than the squid in Blue Planet II
I get that. My point is still that attacking the person for being male guarantees you lose.

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Brive1987 wrote:
MarcusAu wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
[img]https: ... //i.imgur.com/6yVIeep.png[/img]

I have their measure :lol: :bjarte:

In reality the Pit extends across the spectrum, which is why it’s a special environment.
Does the white pointer icon mark your own positon?
I am somewhere on the alt-lite. Defined by the required basis of a shared and defined cultural collective within which individuals can thrive - and a tendency towards social conservatism. I’ll never cross into the racial-centric collective. JQ, racial IQ and magic blood are shit methods to define “your people”, even where there is a ethnic correlation. Form follows function.
Well, nice to see that you apparently recognize that not all collectives are created equal. Though it might have been nice if you had more explicitly acknowledged that some of the "principles" around which some individuals "cohere" and around which some collectives form actually qualify more as "superficialities" than not ...

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Shatterface wrote:
And it's not because she's made a single film. She was the subject of a TV documentary but that doesn't mean she's a film maker any more than the squid in Blue Planet II
Speaking of squid and filmmakers, I wonder if this young hottie was considered for the BFI role.

https://i.imgur.com/Sdl84Tx.png

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Meanwhile there's been a bomb threat to the Womens Place UK meeting allegedly in response to women turning up to men's swimming sessions:



Looks like a troll with 10 followers but as far as I'm concerned, you post a bomb threat you go to jail.


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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
Shatterface wrote:
And it's not because she's made a single film. She was the subject of a TV documentary but that doesn't mean she's a film maker any more than the squid in Blue Planet II
Speaking of squid and filmmakers, I wonder if this young hottie was considered for the BFI role.

https://i.imgur.com/Sdl84Tx.png
Im my view you are a film maker if you stand behind the camera. I'd hate to think some poor bastard is looking at this through a steamed up lens.

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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
Shatterface wrote:
And it's not because she's made a single film. She was the subject of a TV documentary but that doesn't mean she's a film maker any more than the squid in Blue Planet II
Speaking of squid and filmmakers, I wonder if this young hottie was considered for the BFI role.

https://i.imgur.com/Sdl84Tx.png
You know, maybe free speech really isn't all that great.

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comhcinc wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
Shatterface wrote:
And it's not because she's made a single film. She was the subject of a TV documentary but that doesn't mean she's a film maker any more than the squid in Blue Planet II
Speaking of squid and filmmakers, I wonder if this young hottie was considered for the BFI role.

https://i.imgur.com/Sdl84Tx.png
You know, maybe free speech really isn't all that great.

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I'm all for free speech. I just don't think we should have to see what we are hearing.

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ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
comhcinc wrote:
ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:
Shatterface wrote:
And it's not because she's made a single film. She was the subject of a TV documentary but that doesn't mean she's a film maker any more than the squid in Blue Planet II
Speaking of squid and filmmakers, I wonder if this young hottie was considered for the BFI role.

https://i.imgur.com/Sdl84Tx.png
You know, maybe free speech really isn't all that great.
See I have been trying to warn you people about this shit for years.

https://i.embed.ly/1/image?url=https%3A ... 40d3dc5c07

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Shatterface wrote: I'm all for free speech. I just don't think we should have to see what we are hearing.
You say you see, but are you looking to listen?

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You're either blind, into neanderthal porn, or indiscriminate enough to bang anything with a pulse.

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Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
comhcinc wrote:


Looks like a chic to me.
You're either blind, into neanderthal porn, or indiscriminate enough to bang anything with a pulse.
I am not blind...

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Shatterface wrote: It's not about what she looks like. If Bergdorf DID look like a man how would that make her LESS suitable to talk about the experiences of women in the film industry?
Bergdorf does look like a man -- Peking Man.

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comhcinc wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
comhcinc wrote:


Looks like a chic to me.
You're either blind, into neanderthal porn, or indiscriminate enough to bang anything with a pulse.
I am not blind...
Well, the last two are not mutually incompatible, so let's leave it at that.

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d4m10n wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
[]https://i.imgur.com/6yVIeep.png[/img]

I have their measure :lol: :bjarte:

In reality the Pit extends across the spectrum, which is why it’s a special environment.
The median Pitter is well to the left of Sam Harris?

Pull the other one, it's got bells on.
Given the criticism he gets (esp profiling) the vibe is well to the *something* of him. No this isn’t the classic economic / state spectrum. So “the left” is a contested term. :mrgreen:

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The BFI has issued a response.

http://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/news ... -june-2018

They managed to get #MeToo and #TimesUp into it. Because Bergdorf will really be able to 'widen the lens' on those issues.

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CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: I apologize for imposing on the docs here, but I am a bit frightened. My wife has been admitted to the hospital for chest pain, nausea and an abnormal EKG. I have some medical training, but only made it as far as EMT II, with some odd bits acquired along the way. I know the worst-case scenario, but what's the best? Good questions to ask the cardiologist? Any words of wisdom would be appreciated. She is my everything.
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the ER would have done an evaluation for heart attack (“acute coronary syndrome”) and anything else bad they thought might be going on (“aortic dissection” etc). If found, they’d admit to hospital. If not, they would say what they thought was probably going on (anything from acid reflux to angina) & recommend outpatient follow up. Hope all goes well!

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